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Back in June 2009 when John Bercow was elected Speaker of the House of Commons he said he would serve for nine years, so if he honours his promise we are around 18 months from the election of a new Speaker.
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First like the Moggster.0
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The Crystal Methodist is back with another outing for his sob story...and still blaming everybody else, this time its the church cos they iz anti-gay...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38709399
Just a hint mate, drugs, prozzies and fiddling your expenses might have had something to do with it.0 -
We used to have great threads here didn't we folks, everybody agrees we used to have winning threads. Now vvvvhhina is beating us to having better threads. I know new threads. Lets make new threads great again.0
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SadFrancisUrquhart said:We used to have great threads here didn't we folks, everybody agrees we used to have winning threads. Now vvvvhhina is beating us to having better threads. I know new threads. Lets make new threads great again.
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Interesting question from Carswell in that clip!0
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The
BritishScottish tennis player is in big trouble in the Australian Open.0 -
With Carswell as Speaker and Abbott as leader of the opposition why not go for a triple with Gove as PM?0
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CarlottaVance said:
White House confirms May first foreign leader to visit Trump:
The President will welcome his first foreign leader this Thursday when the United Kingdom's Theresa May will come to Washington -- on Friday.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/01/21/sean-spicer-held-a-press-conference-he-didnt-take-questions-or-tell-the-whole-truth/
So to the Remoaners who were hoping Netanyahu would pip her to the post.....tough....
That's a great story. The shape of things to come!
...Poor Theresa0 -
FPT tyson said:
Trump and Brexit show that Democracy is clearly failing...I used to believe once that democracy would provide the best outcomes by and large (even Thatcher 3 times)...but now with Trump and Brexit, the collective will of the people leads to this load of old bollocks......
Churchill, the advocate of global institutions, would think likewise.......
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Democracy is powerful. It allows the people to make good decisions, bad decisions and decisions that muck everything up because they don't understand the consequences.
The problem with Trump and Brexit is that there isn't a consensus for either of the disruptions. There's no collective will for them.
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She’d best wear those leather trousers!Roger said:CarlottaVance said:White House confirms May first foreign leader to visit Trump:
The President will welcome his first foreign leader this Thursday when the United Kingdom's Theresa May will come to Washington -- on Friday.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/01/21/sean-spicer-held-a-press-conference-he-didnt-take-questions-or-tell-the-whole-truth/
So to the Remoaners who were hoping Netanyahu would pip her to the post.....tough....
That's a great story. The shape of things to come!
...Poor Theresa0 -
But clearly given their victories nor was there a collective will for what went beforeFF43 said:FPT tyson said:
Trump and Brexit show that Democracy is clearly failing...I used to believe once that democracy would provide the best outcomes by and large (even Thatcher 3 times)...but now with Trump and Brexit, the collective will of the people leads to this load of old bollocks......
Churchill, the advocate of global institutions, would think likewise.......
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Democracy is powerful. It allows the people to make good decisions, bad decisions and decisions that muck everything up because they don't understand the consequences.
The problem with Trump and Brexit is that there isn't a consensus for either of the disruptions. There's no collective will for them.0 -
Agreed. But they are also non disruptive. I believe in democracy. Brexit needs to go ahead. Trump also needs to go ahead, if that's a concept. Neither are a recipe for success, simply because of that lack of consensus, unfortunately.Richard_Tyndall said:
But clearly given their victories nor was there a collective will for what went beforeFF43 said:FPT tyson said:
Trump and Brexit show that Democracy is clearly failing...I used to believe once that democracy would provide the best outcomes by and large (even Thatcher 3 times)...but now with Trump and Brexit, the collective will of the people leads to this load of old bollocks......
Churchill, the advocate of global institutions, would think likewise.......
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Democracy is powerful. It allows the people to make good decisions, bad decisions and decisions that muck everything up because they don't understand the consequences.
The problem with Trump and Brexit is that there isn't a consensus for either of the disruptions. There's no collective will for them.0 -
Wonder if they are waterproof?OldKingCole said:
She’d best wear those leather trousers!Roger said:CarlottaVance said:White House confirms May first foreign leader to visit Trump:
The President will welcome his first foreign leader this Thursday when the United Kingdom's Theresa May will come to Washington -- on Friday.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/01/21/sean-spicer-held-a-press-conference-he-didnt-take-questions-or-tell-the-whole-truth/
So to the Remoaners who were hoping Netanyahu would pip her to the post.....tough....
That's a great story. The shape of things to come!
...Poor Theresa
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Good morning all.
One of life's little ironies is that we routinely genuflect to Greek, and particularly Athenian, democracy, without examining the history of the Athenian state.
Its democracy ended up making a series of utterly boneheaded decisions that ultimately ended at Aegospotami. Democracy doesn't, in any way, guarantee good outcomes.
I sometimes wonder what the world would look like if they hadn't lucked into finding that new silver seam at Laurium. It's a real historical deux ex machina.0 -
Never seen a cow get wet inside leather!RobD said:
Wonder if they are waterproof?OldKingCole said:
She’d best wear those leather trousers!Roger said:CarlottaVance said:White House confirms May first foreign leader to visit Trump:
The President will welcome his first foreign leader this Thursday when the United Kingdom's Theresa May will come to Washington -- on Friday.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/01/21/sean-spicer-held-a-press-conference-he-didnt-take-questions-or-tell-the-whole-truth/
So to the Remoaners who were hoping Netanyahu would pip her to the post.....tough....
That's a great story. The shape of things to come!
...Poor Theresa
Oh, my coat?0 -
Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it0 -
I'll miss John Bercow. Betting on him to be in office at the end of the year used to be one of my favourite earners.0
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I've just been handed another coat, is it yours?OldKingCole said:
Never seen a cow get wet inside leather!RobD said:
Wonder if they are waterproof?OldKingCole said:
She’d best wear those leather trousers!Roger said:CarlottaVance said:White House confirms May first foreign leader to visit Trump:
The President will welcome his first foreign leader this Thursday when the United Kingdom's Theresa May will come to Washington -- on Friday.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/01/21/sean-spicer-held-a-press-conference-he-didnt-take-questions-or-tell-the-whole-truth/
So to the Remoaners who were hoping Netanyahu would pip her to the post.....tough....
That's a great story. The shape of things to come!
...Poor Theresa
Oh, my coat? 0 -
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it0 -
I hope everything said is carefully recorded. By both sides.foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it0 -
I have a horrible feeling you're not even being metaphorical.foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it
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Merkel visiting too, is she?foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it0 -
I think she has more sense, and less desperation.CarlottaVance said:
Merkel visiting too, is she?foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it0 -
It'll be an interesting diplomatic test for Donald and his new team of non-politicans. We don't yet know whether it's possible for him to keep stuff that is agreed to be confidential, actually confidential.OldKingCole said:
I hope everything said is carefully recorded. By both sides.foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it
He went about business ditching confidences whenever his immediate interests changed. You can't do international diplomacy that way.
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If this was reversed it would be evidence that Trump was sidelining Britain in favour of the EU, I'm sure.foxinsoxuk said:
I think she has more sense, and less desperation.CarlottaVance said:
Merkel visiting too, is she?foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it0 -
That's how it looks. TM could take a few lessons from Merkel. Even in these crazy times and faced by an abomination she manages to appear serene. The Germans as in so many things are efficient at choosing their leaders.foxinsoxuk said:
I think she has more sense, and less desperation.CarlottaVance said:
Merkel visiting too, is she?foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it0 -
Something that is carefully recorded - such as pictures of crowds - can be ignored or disbelieved by Trump.OldKingCole said:
I hope everything said is carefully recorded. By both sides.foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38707722
Steve Jobs was said to have a RDF - a reality distortion field.The RDF was said by Andy Hertzfeld to be Steve Jobs's ability to convince himself and others to believe almost anything with a mix of charm, charisma, bravado, hyperbole, marketing, appeasement and persistence. RDF was said to distort an audience's sense of proportion and scales of difficulties and made them believe that the task at hand was possible. Jobs could also use the RDF to appropriate other's ideas as his own, sometimes proposing an idea to its originator after dismissing it the week before.[3]
I'm starting to wonder if Trump has a variant on this, at least to some gullible people.0 -
Not least, Trump still needs to appoint a lot of people, and it is clear that he wants to get started on his internal agenda. I cannot see it being more than a cursory photocall and a few platitudes.Roger said:
That's how it looks. TM could take a few lessons from Merkel. Even in these crazy times and faced by an abomination she manages to appear serene. The Germans as in so many things are efficient at choosing their leaders.foxinsoxuk said:
I think she has more sense, and less desperation.CarlottaVance said:
Merkel visiting too, is she?foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it0 -
I'm starting to wonder if Trump has a variant on this, at least to some gullible people.JosiasJessop said:
Something that is carefully recorded - such as pictures of crowds - can be ignored or disbelieved by Trump.OldKingCole said:
I hope everything said is carefully recorded. By both sides.foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38707722
Steve Jobs was said to have a RDF - a reality distortion field.The RDF was said by Andy Hertzfeld to be Steve Jobs's ability to convince himself and others to believe almost anything with a mix of charm, charisma, bravado, hyperbole, marketing, appeasement and persistence. RDF was said to distort an audience's sense of proportion and scales of difficulties and made them believe that the task at hand was possible. Jobs could also use the RDF to appropriate other's ideas as his own, sometimes proposing an idea to its originator after dismissing it the week before.[3]
Trump is very much the Emperor's new clothes. That is why he is so prickly over the size of the crowds. He knows the Truth and believes that he can overcome it with bombastic demagogary.0 -
Indeed - the Remoaners were cheering themselves for a few days that Netanyahu would get there first, now he isn't its all a bad idea.....MaxPB said:
If this was reversed it would be evidence that Trump was sidelining Britain in favour of the EU, I'm sure.foxinsoxuk said:
I think she has more sense, and less desperation.CarlottaVance said:
Merkel visiting too, is she?foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it0 -
And doesn't want a conversation on defence spending.....foxinsoxuk said:
I think she has more sense, and less desperation.CarlottaVance said:
Merkel visiting too, is she?foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it0 -
In view of history over the last 100 years, you may wish to reconsider that assertion.Roger said:
That's how it looks. TM could take a few lessons from Merkel. Even in these crazy times and faced by an abomination she manages to appear serene. The Germans as in so many things are efficient at choosing their leaders.foxinsoxuk said:
I think she has more sense, and less desperation.CarlottaVance said:
Merkel visiting too, is she?foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it0 -
Theresa May is absolutely right to meet Donald Trump asap. What she actually says will be very important.0
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Chancellor aims for early meeting with Trump in Washington
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-01-21/merkel-said-to-scour-trump-archive-for-clues-on-how-to-read-him0 -
Be serious! She appears to the world like a bitch on heat.MaxPB said:
If this was reversed it would be evidence that Trump was sidelining Britain in favour of the EU, I'm sure.foxinsoxuk said:
I think she has more sense, and less desperation.CarlottaVance said:
Merkel visiting too, is she?foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it
It's really not a cool look for a British Prime Minister. It reminds me of Blair at his most obsequious0 -
you voted for BlairRoger said:
Be serious! She appears to the world like a bitch on heat.MaxPB said:
If this was reversed it would be evidence that Trump was sidelining Britain in favour of the EU, I'm sure.foxinsoxuk said:
I think she has more sense, and less desperation.CarlottaVance said:
Merkel visiting too, is she?foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it
It's really not a cool look for a British Prime Minister. It reminds me of Blair at his most obsequious0 -
I'm starting to wonder if Trump has a variant on this, at least to some gullible people.JosiasJessop said:
Something that is carefully recorded - such as pictures of crowds - can be ignored or disbelieved by Trump.OldKingCole said:
I hope everything said is carefully recorded. By both sides.foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38707722
Steve Jobs was said to have a RDF - a reality distortion field.The RDF was said by Andy Hertzfeld to be Steve Jobs's ability to convince himself and others to believe almost anything with a mix of charm, charisma, bravado, hyperbole, marketing, appeasement and persistence. RDF was said to distort an audience's sense of proportion and scales of difficulties and made them believe that the task at hand was possible. Jobs could also use the RDF to appropriate other's ideas as his own, sometimes proposing an idea to its originator after dismissing it the week before.[3]
There’s no evidence that anyone on Trump’s side took any pictures. Agree about the RDF, though. Scary thing is that Steve Jobs was very successful.0 -
"Which part of your body should I kiss first, Sir?"AlastairMeeks said:Theresa May is absolutely right to meet Donald Trump asap. What she actually says will be very important.
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Blair adopted the Bush walk. Blair was in a teenage crush.Roger said:
Be serious! She appears to the world like a bitch on heat.MaxPB said:
If this was reversed it would be evidence that Trump was sidelining Britain in favour of the EU, I'm sure.foxinsoxuk said:
I think she has more sense, and less desperation.CarlottaVance said:
Merkel visiting too, is she?foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it
It's really not a cool look for a British Prime Minister. It reminds me of Blair at his most obsequious
I doubt May will be so besotted by POTUS0 -
So did I and I agree with Roger. Blair’s big, big, mistake was to believe that he HAD to go along with anything an American President said. Wilson, and Robin Cook, had a lot better grasp of reality there.Alanbrooke said:
you voted for BlairRoger said:
Be serious! She appears to the world like a bitch on heat.MaxPB said:
If this was reversed it would be evidence that Trump was sidelining Britain in favour of the EU, I'm sure.foxinsoxuk said:
I think she has more sense, and less desperation.CarlottaVance said:
Merkel visiting too, is she?foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it
It's really not a cool look for a British Prime Minister. It reminds me of Blair at his most obsequious0 -
reading throuh the german press, Germany is having an outburst of collective Angst on Trump's presidency. Their friend Obama has gone and with him the policies that benefitted Germany. Now they dont know whats coming next or quite what to do.CarlottaVance said:Chancellor aims for early meeting with Trump in Washington
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-01-21/merkel-said-to-scour-trump-archive-for-clues-on-how-to-read-him0 -
Toby Helm, in The Grauniad:
Theresa May has sealed a major diplomatic coup by becoming the first European leader to secure a meeting with President Donald Trump at the White House....
...May, who unlike Trump is known for measuring her every word, has said she will hold very “frank” discussions with the president and has been openly critical of some of his more outspoken remarks, notably about women.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/21/theresa-may-to-travel-to-us-for-donald-trump-visit-next-week-reports0 -
Quite right too ! Who is the enemy ? Russia ? No. They are Trump's closest ally. ISIL/AQ ? You don't need armoured divisions for that.CarlottaVance said:
And doesn't want a conversation on defence spending.....foxinsoxuk said:
I think she has more sense, and less desperation.CarlottaVance said:
Merkel visiting too, is she?foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it0 -
Jared Kuchner didn't do his job.CarlottaVance said:
Indeed - the Remoaners were cheering themselves for a few days that Netanyahu would get there first, now he isn't its all a bad idea.....MaxPB said:
If this was reversed it would be evidence that Trump was sidelining Britain in favour of the EU, I'm sure.foxinsoxuk said:
I think she has more sense, and less desperation.CarlottaVance said:
Merkel visiting too, is she?foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it0 -
Which is perhaps why its best to see what happens in the meeting firstOldKingCole said:
So did I and I agree with Roger. Blair’s big, big, mistake was to believe that he HAD to go along with anything an American President said. Wilson, and Robin Cook, had a lot better grasp of reality there.Alanbrooke said:
you voted for BlairRoger said:
Be serious! She appears to the world like a bitch on heat.MaxPB said:
If this was reversed it would be evidence that Trump was sidelining Britain in favour of the EU, I'm sure.foxinsoxuk said:
I think she has more sense, and less desperation.CarlottaVance said:
Merkel visiting too, is she?foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it
It's really not a cool look for a British Prime Minister. It reminds me of Blair at his most obsequious0 -
Trump can.Pong said:
It'll be an interesting diplomatic test for Donald and his new team of non-politicans. We don't yet know whether it's possible for him to keep stuff that is agreed to be confidential, actually confidential.OldKingCole said:
I hope everything said is carefully recorded. By both sides.foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it
He went about business ditching confidences whenever his immediate interests changed. You can't do international diplomacy that way.0 -
Netanyahu would be the perfect fist visitor. Two of a kind.CarlottaVance said:
Indeed - the Remoaners were cheering themselves for a few days that Netanyahu would get there first, now he isn't its all a bad idea.....MaxPB said:
If this was reversed it would be evidence that Trump was sidelining Britain in favour of the EU, I'm sure.foxinsoxuk said:
I think she has more sense, and less desperation.CarlottaVance said:
Merkel visiting too, is she?foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it0 -
That's a fair summary.CarlottaVance said:Toby Helm, in The Grauniad:
Theresa May has sealed a major diplomatic coup by becoming the first European leader to secure a meeting with President Donald Trump at the White House....
...May, who unlike Trump is known for measuring her every word, has said she will hold very “frank” discussions with the president and has been openly critical of some of his more outspoken remarks, notably about women.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/21/theresa-may-to-travel-to-us-for-donald-trump-visit-next-week-reports
She has to be as good as her word on this. On this occasion, I expect she will be.0 -
Not really any different to any previous race to meet an incoming POTUS. This time it's extremely valuable given how radical (or crazy, depending on one's outlook) Trump's agenda is.Roger said:
Be serious! She appears to the world like a bitch on heat.MaxPB said:
If this was reversed it would be evidence that Trump was sidelining Britain in favour of the EU, I'm sure.foxinsoxuk said:
I think she has more sense, and less desperation.CarlottaVance said:
Merkel visiting too, is she?foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it
It's really not a cool look for a British Prime Minister. It reminds me of Blair at his most obsequious
Anyway, Heathrow beckons. Manilla here we come!0 -
NO! Much better decide beforehand!Alanbrooke said:
Which is perhaps why its best to see what happens in the meeting firstOldKingCole said:
So did I and I agree with Roger. Blair’s big, big, mistake was to believe that he HAD to go along with anything an American President said. Wilson, and Robin Cook, had a lot better grasp of reality there.Alanbrooke said:
you voted for BlairRoger said:
Be serious! She appears to the world like a bitch on heat.MaxPB said:
If this was reversed it would be evidence that Trump was sidelining Britain in favour of the EU, I'm sure.foxinsoxuk said:
I think she has more sense, and less desperation.CarlottaVance said:
Merkel visiting too, is she?foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it
It's really not a cool look for a British Prime Minister. It reminds me of Blair at his most obsequious
Merkel in first = 'May humiliated, Britain sidelined'
May in first = 'May is bitch in heat, Merkel wise to wait'
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There’s no evidence that anyone on Trump’s side took any pictures. Agree about the RDF, though. Scary thing is that Steve Jobs was very successful.OldKingCole said:
I'm starting to wonder if Trump has a variant on this, at least to some gullible people.JosiasJessop said:
Something that is carefully recorded - such as pictures of crowds - can be ignored or disbelieved by Trump.OldKingCole said:
I hope everything said is carefully recorded. By both sides.foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38707722
Steve Jobs was said to have a RDF - a reality distortion field.The RDF was said by Andy Hertzfeld to be Steve Jobs's ability to convince himself and others to believe almost anything with a mix of charm, charisma, bravado, hyperbole, marketing, appeasement and persistence. RDF was said to distort an audience's sense of proportion and scales of difficulties and made them believe that the task at hand was possible. Jobs could also use the RDF to appropriate other's ideas as his own, sometimes proposing an idea to its originator after dismissing it the week before.[3]
Things that are personality flaws can serve leaders very well. Stalin's paranoia and suspicion, or Nixon's social insecurity and resentment both helped them get to the top.0 -
Bercow indeed was great. He grew [ no pun intended! ] into the job.AlastairMeeks said:I'll miss John Bercow. Betting on him to be in office at the end of the year used to be one of my favourite earners.
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The second one is correct.CarlottaVance said:
NO! Much better decide beforehand!Alanbrooke said:
Which is perhaps why its best to see what happens in the meeting firstOldKingCole said:
So did I and I agree with Roger. Blair’s big, big, mistake was to believe that he HAD to go along with anything an American President said. Wilson, and Robin Cook, had a lot better grasp of reality there.Alanbrooke said:
you voted for BlairRoger said:
Be serious! She appears to the world like a bitch on heat.MaxPB said:
If this was reversed it would be evidence that Trump was sidelining Britain in favour of the EU, I'm sure.foxinsoxuk said:
I think she has more sense, and less desperation.CarlottaVance said:
Merkel visiting too, is she?foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it
It's really not a cool look for a British Prime Minister. It reminds me of Blair at his most obsequious
Merkel in first = 'May humiliated, Britain sidelined'
May in first = 'May is bitch in heat, Merkel wise to wait'
What will Trump want from May. Disband wind farms ?0 -
The Guardian seems to be surviving Brexit with its critical faculties intact.AlastairMeeks said:
That's a fair summary.CarlottaVance said:Toby Helm, in The Grauniad:
Theresa May has sealed a major diplomatic coup by becoming the first European leader to secure a meeting with President Donald Trump at the White House....
...May, who unlike Trump is known for measuring her every word, has said she will hold very “frank” discussions with the president and has been openly critical of some of his more outspoken remarks, notably about women.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/21/theresa-may-to-travel-to-us-for-donald-trump-visit-next-week-reports
The rest of the press only analyse stories through their Brexit good/bad prism.....0 -
Blair believed that he had to demonstrate to the US that a Labour administration could be a staunch ally. Labour has always been considered (at best) weak on defence in the US, with the possible exception of Attlee's government (which I now consider to have been Labour's pinnacle - it's been downhill all the way since).OldKingCole said:
So did I and I agree with Roger. Blair’s big, big, mistake was to believe that he HAD to go along with anything an American President said. Wilson, and Robin Cook, had a lot better grasp of reality there.Alanbrooke said:
you voted for BlairRoger said:
Be serious! She appears to the world like a bitch on heat.MaxPB said:
If this was reversed it would be evidence that Trump was sidelining Britain in favour of the EU, I'm sure.foxinsoxuk said:
I think she has more sense, and less desperation.CarlottaVance said:
Merkel visiting too, is she?foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it
It's really not a cool look for a British Prime Minister. It reminds me of Blair at his most obsequious
Unfortunately, he misunderstood the underpinnings of the 'special relationship' and adopted a posture that can only be described as supine. That said, I still think he had a decent domestic record, it's a pity for him that his foreign policy errors were so enormous as to partially erase his accomplishments.0 -
I cant help the left need to fill theiir current grief with activity - demos, boycotts etc. - when really what they should be doing is ask why the man got elected in the first place.CarlottaVance said:
NO! Much better decide beforehand!Alanbrooke said:
Which is perhaps why its best to see what happens in the meeting firstOldKingCole said:
So did I and I agree with Roger. Blair’s big, big, mistake was to believe that he HAD to go along with anything an American President said. Wilson, and Robin Cook, had a lot better grasp of reality there.Alanbrooke said:
you voted for BlairRoger said:
Be serious! She appears to the world like a bitch on heat.MaxPB said:
If this was reversed it would be evidence that Trump was sidelining Britain in favour of the EU, I'm sure.foxinsoxuk said:
I think she has more sense, and less desperation.CarlottaVance said:
Merkel visiting too, is she?foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it
It's really not a cool look for a British Prime Minister. It reminds me of Blair at his most obsequious
Merkel in first = 'May humiliated, Britain sidelined'
May in first = 'May is bitch in heat, Merkel wise to wait'
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While I agree that May seems over-eager, as far as the meeting itself is concerned, I’m with you.Alanbrooke said:
Which is perhaps why its best to see what happens in the meeting firstOldKingCole said:
So did I and I agree with Roger. Blair’s big, big, mistake was to believe that he HAD to go along with anything an American President said. Wilson, and Robin Cook, had a lot better grasp of reality there.Alanbrooke said:
you voted for BlairRoger said:
Be serious! She appears to the world like a bitch on heat.MaxPB said:
If this was reversed it would be evidence that Trump was sidelining Britain in favour of the EU, I'm sure.foxinsoxuk said:
I think she has more sense, and less desperation.CarlottaVance said:
Merkel visiting too, is she?foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it
It's really not a cool look for a British Prime Minister. It reminds me of Blair at his most obsequious
We can enjoy a discussion about the nuances of the post-meeting statements next weekend!0 -
Two things to say about that.OldKingCole said:
So did I and I agree with Roger. Blair’s big, big, mistake was to believe that he HAD to go along with anything an American President said. Wilson, and Robin Cook, had a lot better grasp of reality there.Alanbrooke said:
you voted for BlairRoger said:
Be serious! She appears to the world like a bitch on heat.MaxPB said:
If this was reversed it would be evidence that Trump was sidelining Britain in favour of the EU, I'm sure.foxinsoxuk said:
I think she has more sense, and less desperation.CarlottaVance said:
Merkel visiting too, is she?foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it
It's really not a cool look for a British Prime Minister. It reminds me of Blair at his most obsequious
Firstly, ISTR that when Bush replaced Clinton, the media over here had kittens over how it would be impossible for Blair to have as close a relationship with Bush as he had had with Clinton. Yet if anything, the relationship was closer.
Secondly, there have been reports that Blair was more in favour of action against Iraq than Bush was, and pre-dating 9/11. I can't remember if the Chilcot inquiry backed that view or not.0 -
Things that are personality flaws can serve leaders very well. Stalin's paranoia and suspicion, or Nixon's social insecurity and resentment both helped them get to the top.Sean_F said:
There’s no evidence that anyone on Trump’s side took any pictures. Agree about the RDF, though. Scary thing is that Steve Jobs was very successful.OldKingCole said:
I'm starting to wonder if Trump has a variant on this, at least to some gullible people.JosiasJessop said:
Something that is carefully recorded - such as pictures of crowds - can be ignored or disbelieved by Trump.OldKingCole said:
I hope everything said is carefully recorded. By both sides.foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38707722
Steve Jobs was said to have a RDF - a reality distortion field.The RDF was said by Andy Hertzfeld to be Steve Jobs's ability to convince himself and others to believe almost anything with a mix of charm, charisma, bravado, hyperbole, marketing, appeasement and persistence. RDF was said to distort an audience's sense of proportion and scales of difficulties and made them believe that the task at hand was possible. Jobs could also use the RDF to appropriate other's ideas as his own, sometimes proposing an idea to its originator after dismissing it the week before.[3]
John Major too. Though he was not a bad guy.0 -
Simple! As with Brexit, the people are wrongAlanbrooke said:
I cant help the left need to fill theiir current grief with activity - demos, boycotts etc. - when really what they should be doing is ask why the man got elected in the first place.CarlottaVance said:
NO! Much better decide beforehand!Alanbrooke said:
Which is perhaps why its best to see what happens in the meeting firstOldKingCole said:
So did I and I agree with Roger. Blair’s big, big, mistake was to believe that he HAD to go along with anything an American President said. Wilson, and Robin Cook, had a lot better grasp of reality there.Alanbrooke said:
you voted for BlairRoger said:
Be serious! She appears to the world like a bitch on heat.MaxPB said:
If this was reversed it would be evidence that Trump was sidelining Britain in favour of the EU, I'm sure.foxinsoxuk said:
I think she has more sense, and less desperation.CarlottaVance said:
Merkel visiting too, is she?foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it
It's really not a cool look for a British Prime Minister. It reminds me of Blair at his most obsequious
Merkel in first = 'May humiliated, Britain sidelined'
May in first = 'May is bitch in heat, Merkel wise to wait'
If Twitter is any guide, the Trump Presidency is over.....just ask Prime Ministers Miliband and Salmond.....0 -
A real friend can be critical. In both senses of the term.John_M said:
Blair believed that he had to demonstrate to the US that a Labour administration could be a staunch ally. Labour has always been considered (at best) weak on defence in the US, with the possible exception of Attlee's government (which I now consider to have been Labour's pinnacle - it's been downhill all the way since).OldKingCole said:
So did I and I agree with Roger. Blair’s big, big, mistake was to believe that he HAD to go along with anything an American President said. Wilson, and Robin Cook, had a lot better grasp of reality there.Alanbrooke said:
you voted for BlairRoger said:
Be serious! She appears to the world like a bitch on heat.MaxPB said:
If this was reversed it would be evidence that Trump was sidelining Britain in favour of the EU, I'm sure.foxinsoxuk said:
I think she has more sense, and less desperation.CarlottaVance said:
Merkel visiting too, is she?foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it
It's really not a cool look for a British Prime Minister. It reminds me of Blair at his most obsequious
Unfortunately, he misunderstood the underpinnings of the 'special relationship' and adopted a posture that can only be described as supine. That said, I still think he had a decent domestic record, it's a pity for him that his foreign policy errors were so enormous as to partially erase his accomplishments.0 -
I don't think May can have a crush on anyone. She's cold!philiph said:
Blair adopted the Bush walk. Blair was in a teenage crush.Roger said:
Be serious! She appears to the world like a bitch on heat.MaxPB said:
If this was reversed it would be evidence that Trump was sidelining Britain in favour of the EU, I'm sure.foxinsoxuk said:
I think she has more sense, and less desperation.CarlottaVance said:
Merkel visiting too, is she?foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it
It's really not a cool look for a British Prime Minister. It reminds me of Blair at his most obsequious
I doubt May will be so besotted by POTUS0 -
That's fine if she was meeting a serious or proven politician who played by any known rules. She's meeting Coco the Clown or Chance the gardener and she'd be much better letting someone else with less to lose be the experiment.AlastairMeeks said:
That's a fair summary.CarlottaVance said:Toby Helm, in The Grauniad:
Theresa May has sealed a major diplomatic coup by becoming the first European leader to secure a meeting with President Donald Trump at the White House....
...May, who unlike Trump is known for measuring her every word, has said she will hold very “frank” discussions with the president and has been openly critical of some of his more outspoken remarks, notably about women.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/21/theresa-may-to-travel-to-us-for-donald-trump-visit-next-week-reports
She has to be as good as her word on this. On this occasion, I expect she will be.0 -
And what would be the reaction to President Trump likening a female politician to a 'bitch in heat' (she's a Tory - so its ok - ed.)Roger said:
Be serious! She appears to the world like a bitch on heat.MaxPB said:
If this was reversed it would be evidence that Trump was sidelining Britain in favour of the EU, I'm sure.foxinsoxuk said:
I think she has more sense, and less desperation.CarlottaVance said:
Merkel visiting too, is she?foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it0 -
I can think of one Twitter user who disagrees. :-)CarlottaVance said:
Simple! As with Brexit, the people are wrongAlanbrooke said:
I cant help the left need to fill theiir current grief with activity - demos, boycotts etc. - when really what they should be doing is ask why the man got elected in the first place.CarlottaVance said:
NO! Much better decide beforehand!Alanbrooke said:
Which is perhaps why its best to see what happens in the meeting firstOldKingCole said:
So did I and I agree with Roger. Blair’s big, big, mistake was to believe that he HAD to go along with anything an American President said. Wilson, and Robin Cook, had a lot better grasp of reality there.Alanbrooke said:
you voted for BlairRoger said:
Be serious! She appears to the world like a bitch on heat.MaxPB said:
If this was reversed it would be evidence that Trump was sidelining Britain in favour of the EU, I'm sure.foxinsoxuk said:
I think she has more sense, and less desperation.CarlottaVance said:
Merkel visiting too, is she?foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it
It's really not a cool look for a British Prime Minister. It reminds me of Blair at his most obsequious
Merkel in first = 'May humiliated, Britain sidelined'
May in first = 'May is bitch in heat, Merkel wise to wait'
If Twitter is any guide, the Trump Presidency is over.....just ask Prime Ministers Miliband and Salmond.....
One of the more interesting things will be to see how Twitter develops in the next 4 years0 -
No. Unlike Brexit the people were NOT wrong! THe people voted by 3m for the other person. The system is wrong!CarlottaVance said:
Simple! As with Brexit, the people are wrongAlanbrooke said:
I cant help the left need to fill theiir current grief with activity - demos, boycotts etc. - when really what they should be doing is ask why the man got elected in the first place.CarlottaVance said:
NO! Much better decide beforehand!Alanbrooke said:
Which is perhaps why its best to see what happens in the meeting firstOldKingCole said:
So did I and I agree with Roger. Blair’s big, big, mistake was to believe that he HAD to go along with anything an American President said. Wilson, and Robin Cook, had a lot better grasp of reality there.Alanbrooke said:
you voted for BlairRoger said:
Be serious! She appears to the world like a bitch on heat.MaxPB said:
If this was reversed it would be evidence that Trump was sidelining Britain in favour of the EU, I'm sure.foxinsoxuk said:
I think she has more sense, and less desperation.CarlottaVance said:
Merkel visiting too, is she?foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it
It's really not a cool look for a British Prime Minister. It reminds me of Blair at his most obsequious
Merkel in first = 'May humiliated, Britain sidelined'
May in first = 'May is bitch in heat, Merkel wise to wait'
If Twitter is any guide, the Trump Presidency is over.....just ask Prime Ministers Miliband and Salmond.....0 -
Bankruptcy.Alanbrooke said:
I can think of one Twitter user who disagrees. :-)CarlottaVance said:
Simple! As with Brexit, the people are wrongAlanbrooke said:
I cant help the left need to fill theiir current grief with activity - demos, boycotts etc. - when really what they should be doing is ask why the man got elected in the first place.CarlottaVance said:
NO! Much better decide beforehand!Alanbrooke said:
Which is perhaps why its best to see what happens in the meeting firstOldKingCole said:
So did I and I agree with Roger. Blair’s big, big, mistake was to believe that he HAD to go along with anything an American President said. Wilson, and Robin Cook, had a lot better grasp of reality there.Alanbrooke said:
you voted for BlairRoger said:
Be serious! She appears to the world like a bitch on heat.MaxPB said:
If this was reversed it would be evidence that Trump was sidelining Britain in favour of the EU, I'm sure.foxinsoxuk said:
I think she has more sense, and less desperation.CarlottaVance said:
Merkel visiting too, is she?foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it
It's really not a cool look for a British Prime Minister. It reminds me of Blair at his most obsequious
Merkel in first = 'May humiliated, Britain sidelined'
May in first = 'May is bitch in heat, Merkel wise to wait'
If Twitter is any guide, the Trump Presidency is over.....just ask Prime Ministers Miliband and Salmond.....
One of the more interesting things will be to see how Twitter develops in the next 4 years0 -
She & Philip (May, for the avoidance of doubt) get along just fine.....surbiton said:
I don't think May can have a crush on anyone. She's cold!philiph said:
Blair adopted the Bush walk. Blair was in a teenage crush.Roger said:
Be serious! She appears to the world like a bitch on heat.MaxPB said:
If this was reversed it would be evidence that Trump was sidelining Britain in favour of the EU, I'm sure.foxinsoxuk said:
I think she has more sense, and less desperation.CarlottaVance said:
Merkel visiting too, is she?foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it
It's really not a cool look for a British Prime Minister. It reminds me of Blair at his most obsequious
I doubt May will be so besotted by POTUS0 -
Both Tony Blair and Gordon Brown were able to boast being the first European leaders to meet new presidents during their times as prime minister. Blair won the race to meet President George W Bush in 2001 and Brown was the first to meet President Barack Obama in 2009.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/21/theresa-may-to-travel-to-us-for-donald-trump-visit-next-week-reports
'Bitches in heat' too, were they?
Though IIRC neither were actually the first foreign leaders to meet either - hence the qualification 'European'...0 -
I think so too. In public she will smile.surbiton said:
I don't think May can have a crush on anyone. She's cold!philiph said:
Blair adopted the Bush walk. Blair was in a teenage crush.Roger said:
Be serious! She appears to the world like a bitch on heat.MaxPB said:
If this was reversed it would be evidence that Trump was sidelining Britain in favour of the EU, I'm sure.foxinsoxuk said:
I think she has more sense, and less desperation.CarlottaVance said:
Merkel visiting too, is she?foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it
It's really not a cool look for a British Prime Minister. It reminds me of Blair at his most obsequious
I doubt May will be so besotted by POTUS
On the subject of foreign visits that do not lead to a meeting of minds:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-387079970 -
Do you know them personally ? They don't appear to be warm like Cam & Sam or indeed Tony & Cherie.CarlottaVance said:
She & Philip (May, for the avoidance of doubt) get along just fine.....surbiton said:
I don't think May can have a crush on anyone. She's cold!philiph said:
Blair adopted the Bush walk. Blair was in a teenage crush.Roger said:
Be serious! She appears to the world like a bitch on heat.MaxPB said:
If this was reversed it would be evidence that Trump was sidelining Britain in favour of the EU, I'm sure.foxinsoxuk said:
I think she has more sense, and less desperation.CarlottaVance said:
Merkel visiting too, is she?foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it
It's really not a cool look for a British Prime Minister. It reminds me of Blair at his most obsequious
I doubt May will be so besotted by POTUS0 -
Tony and Cherie ?surbiton said:
Do you know them personally ? They don't appear to be warm like Cam & Sam or indeed Tony & Cherie.CarlottaVance said:
She & Philip (May, for the avoidance of doubt) get along just fine.....surbiton said:
I don't think May can have a crush on anyone. She's cold!philiph said:
Blair adopted the Bush walk. Blair was in a teenage crush.Roger said:
Be serious! She appears to the world like a bitch on heat.MaxPB said:
If this was reversed it would be evidence that Trump was sidelining Britain in favour of the EU, I'm sure.foxinsoxuk said:
I think she has more sense, and less desperation.CarlottaVance said:
Merkel visiting too, is she?foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it
It's really not a cool look for a British Prime Minister. It reminds me of Blair at his most obsequious
I doubt May will be so besotted by POTUS
warm in the way of someone who tries to sell you a time share0 -
Yes.surbiton said:
Do you know them personally ?CarlottaVance said:
She & Philip (May, for the avoidance of doubt) get along just fine.....surbiton said:
I don't think May can have a crush on anyone. She's cold!philiph said:
Blair adopted the Bush walk. Blair was in a teenage crush.Roger said:
Be serious! She appears to the world like a bitch on heat.MaxPB said:
If this was reversed it would be evidence that Trump was sidelining Britain in favour of the EU, I'm sure.foxinsoxuk said:
I think she has more sense, and less desperation.CarlottaVance said:
Merkel visiting too, is she?foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it
It's really not a cool look for a British Prime Minister. It reminds me of Blair at his most obsequious
I doubt May will be so besotted by POTUS
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She has the look of a women who could give a BJ whilst reading an autoque though!!surbiton said:
I don't think May can have a crush on anyone. She's cold!philiph said:
Blair adopted the Bush walk. Blair was in a teenage crush.Roger said:
Be serious! She appears to the world like a bitch on heat.MaxPB said:
If this was reversed it would be evidence that Trump was sidelining Britain in favour of the EU, I'm sure.foxinsoxuk said:
I think she has more sense, and less desperation.CarlottaVance said:
Merkel visiting too, is she?foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it
It's really not a cool look for a British Prime Minister. It reminds me of Blair at his most obsequious
I doubt May will be so besotted by POTUS
Even to a man with small hands.
Surely a factor in the early invite.0 -
Complaining about the system after the result is the classic sign of the poor looser.surbiton said:
No. Unlike Brexit the people were NOT wrong! THe people voted by 3m for the other person. The system is wrong!CarlottaVance said:
Simple! As with Brexit, the people are wrongAlanbrooke said:
I cant help the left need to fill theiir current grief with activity - demos, boycotts etc. - when really what they should be doing is ask why the man got elected in the first place.CarlottaVance said:
NO! Much better decide beforehand!Alanbrooke said:
Which is perhaps why its best to see what happens in the meeting firstOldKingCole said:
So did I and I agree with Roger. Blair’s big, big, mistake was to believe that he HAD to go along with anything an American President said. Wilson, and Robin Cook, had a lot better grasp of reality there.Alanbrooke said:
you voted for BlairRoger said:
Be serious! She appears to the world like a bitch on heat.MaxPB said:
If this was reversed it would be evidence that Trump was sidelining Britain in favour of the EU, I'm sure.foxinsoxuk said:
I think she has more sense, and less desperation.CarlottaVance said:
Merkel visiting too, is she?foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it
It's really not a cool look for a British Prime Minister. It reminds me of Blair at his most obsequious
Merkel in first = 'May humiliated, Britain sidelined'
May in first = 'May is bitch in heat, Merkel wise to wait'
If Twitter is any guide, the Trump Presidency is over.....just ask Prime Ministers Miliband and Salmond.....
The system is what it is - if Trump worked it better than Clinton, whose fault is that?0 -
Germany's leaders generally make the right decisions for Germany, but their over-logical approach can lead to them making a single and ultimately fatal miscalculation.philiph said:
In view of history over the last 100 years, you may wish to reconsider that assertion.Roger said:
That's how it looks. TM could take a few lessons from Merkel. Even in these crazy times and faced by an abomination she manages to appear serene. The Germans as in so many things are efficient at choosing their leaders.foxinsoxuk said:
I think she has more sense, and less desperation.CarlottaVance said:
Merkel visiting too, is she?foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it
In WW1, it was antagonising the USA by torpedoing their ships. They had won the war on the Eastern front, and it was only American resources that ultimately defeated them in 1918, albeit aided by the enemy within after the first setbacks of mid 1918.
In WW2, their leader's sole error was invading Russia in 1941 before the British Empire had been fully defeated, thus creating a war on 2 fronts, which he had previously said he wouldn't do, having previously proceeded towards his aims "one by one".
Is Merkel's the admission of so many unintegratable aliens who can never become German citizens, or the miscalculation in dealing with Cameron that led to Brexit? Probably the former, as the EU hasn't yet lost the UK. Peter Hitchens' latest comments in his blog on the Mail on Sunday website suggest that despite the Brexit vote, the UK will remain part of the EU in all but name; after all, the vote was only advisory and parliament is sovereign.0 -
I say.CarlottaVance said:
Yes.surbiton said:
Do you know them personally ?CarlottaVance said:
She & Philip (May, for the avoidance of doubt) get along just fine.....surbiton said:
I don't think May can have a crush on anyone. She's cold!philiph said:
Blair adopted the Bush walk. Blair was in a teenage crush.Roger said:
Be serious! She appears to the world like a bitch on heat.MaxPB said:
If this was reversed it would be evidence that Trump was sidelining Britain in favour of the EU, I'm sure.foxinsoxuk said:
I think she has more sense, and less desperation.CarlottaVance said:
Merkel visiting too, is she?foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it
It's really not a cool look for a British Prime Minister. It reminds me of Blair at his most obsequious
I doubt May will be so besotted by POTUS0 -
Imagine the OUTRAGE if Trump wrote something like that?bigjohnowls said:
She has the look of a women who could give a BJ whilst reading an autoque though!!surbiton said:
I don't think May can have a crush on anyone. She's cold!philiph said:
Blair adopted the Bush walk. Blair was in a teenage crush.Roger said:
Be serious! She appears to the world like a bitch on heat.MaxPB said:
If this was reversed it would be evidence that Trump was sidelining Britain in favour of the EU, I'm sure.foxinsoxuk said:
I think she has more sense, and less desperation.CarlottaVance said:
Merkel visiting too, is she?foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it
It's really not a cool look for a British Prime Minister. It reminds me of Blair at his most obsequious
I doubt May will be so besotted by POTUS
But because May is a Tory it's all fair.
Frankly, I expected better of you.0 -
That is a disgusting comment.bigjohnowls said:
She has the look of a women who could give a BJ whilst reading an autoque though!!surbiton said:
I don't think May can have a crush on anyone. She's cold!philiph said:
Blair adopted the Bush walk. Blair was in a teenage crush.Roger said:
Be serious! She appears to the world like a bitch on heat.MaxPB said:
If this was reversed it would be evidence that Trump was sidelining Britain in favour of the EU, I'm sure.foxinsoxuk said:
I think she has more sense, and less desperation.CarlottaVance said:
Merkel visiting too, is she?foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it
It's really not a cool look for a British Prime Minister. It reminds me of Blair at his most obsequious
I doubt May will be so besotted by POTUS
Even to a man with small hands.
Surely a factor in the early invite.0 -
I'm using the vernacular of the new POTUS. Get with the program!CarlottaVance said:
And what would be the reaction to President Trump likening a female politician to a 'bitch in heat' (she's a Tory - so its ok - ed.)Roger said:
Be serious! She appears to the world like a bitch on heat.MaxPB said:
If this was reversed it would be evidence that Trump was sidelining Britain in favour of the EU, I'm sure.foxinsoxuk said:
I think she has more sense, and less desperation.CarlottaVance said:
Merkel visiting too, is she?foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it0 -
I have to say that the comments by the lefties on here over the last few days, and particularly this morning, have enlightened me as to why they never elect women leaders; it's not just their ideas on government that are stuck in the 70s.0
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Just like the UK in 1951.surbiton said:
No. Unlike Brexit the people were NOT wrong! THe people voted by 3m for the other person. The system is wrong!CarlottaVance said:
Simple! As with Brexit, the people are wrongAlanbrooke said:
I cant help the left need to fill theiir current grief with activity - demos, boycotts etc. - when really what they should be doing is ask why the man got elected in the first place.CarlottaVance said:
NO! Much better decide beforehand!Alanbrooke said:
Which is perhaps why its best to see what happens in the meeting firstOldKingCole said:
So did I and I agree with Roger. Blair’s big, big, mistake was to believe that he HAD to go along with anything an American President said. Wilson, and Robin Cook, had a lot better grasp of reality there.Alanbrooke said:
you voted for BlairRoger said:
Be serious! She appears to the world like a bitch on heat.MaxPB said:
If this was reversed it would be evidence that Trump was sidelining Britain in favour of the EU, I'm sure.foxinsoxuk said:
I think she has more sense, and less desperation.CarlottaVance said:
Merkel visiting too, is she?foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it
It's really not a cool look for a British Prime Minister. It reminds me of Blair at his most obsequious
Merkel in first = 'May humiliated, Britain sidelined'
May in first = 'May is bitch in heat, Merkel wise to wait'
If Twitter is any guide, the Trump Presidency is over.....just ask Prime Ministers Miliband and Salmond.....0 -
Imagine the OUTRAGE if Trump wrote something like that?
I am sure DJT will ask if its true on Friday0 -
What a bizarre, sexist thing to say.CarlottaVance said:
And what would be the reaction to President Trump likening a female politician to a 'bitch in heat' (she's a Tory - so its ok - ed.)Roger said:
Be serious! She appears to the world like a bitch on heat.MaxPB said:
If this was reversed it would be evidence that Trump was sidelining Britain in favour of the EU, I'm sure.foxinsoxuk said:
I think she has more sense, and less desperation.CarlottaVance said:
Merkel visiting too, is she?foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it
May getting to see Donald first is probably a good sign for the UK.
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Seconded, Mr SRSquareRoot said:
That is a disgusting comment.bigjohnowls said:
She has the look of a women who could give a BJ whilst reading an autoque though!!surbiton said:
I don't think May can have a crush on anyone. She's cold!philiph said:
Blair adopted the Bush walk. Blair was in a teenage crush.Roger said:
Be serious! She appears to the world like a bitch on heat.MaxPB said:
If this was reversed it would be evidence that Trump was sidelining Britain in favour of the EU, I'm sure.foxinsoxuk said:
I think she has more sense, and less desperation.CarlottaVance said:
Merkel visiting too, is she?foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it
It's really not a cool look for a British Prime Minister. It reminds me of Blair at his most obsequious
I doubt May will be so besotted by POTUS
Even to a man with small hands.
Surely a factor in the early invite.0 -
Good morning, everyone.
From the little I've seen (don't watch the Commons much), Hoyle seems an even-handed and sound fellow. Better than the incumbent.0 -
No one is questioning his legitimacy. But you chose to say the people are wrong.CarlottaVance said:
Complaining about the system after the result is the classic sign of the poor looser.surbiton said:
No. Unlike Brexit the people were NOT wrong! THe people voted by 3m for the other person. The system is wrong!CarlottaVance said:
Simple! As with Brexit, the people are wrongAlanbrooke said:
I cant help the left need to fill theiir current grief with activity - demos, boycotts etc. - when really what they should be doing is ask why the man got elected in the first place.CarlottaVance said:
NO! Much better decide beforehand!Alanbrooke said:
Which is perhaps why its best to see what happens in the meeting firstOldKingCole said:
So did I and I agree with Roger. Blair’s big, big, mistake was to believe that he HAD to go along with anything an American President said. Wilson, and Robin Cook, had a lot better grasp of reality there.Alanbrooke said:
you voted for BlairRoger said:
Be serious! She appears to the world like a bitch on heat.MaxPB said:
If this was reversed it would be evidence that Trump was sidelining Britain in favour of the EU, I'm sure.foxinsoxuk said:
I think she has more sense, and less desperation.CarlottaVance said:
Merkel visiting too, is she?foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it
It's really not a cool look for a British Prime Minister. It reminds me of Blair at his most obsequious
Merkel in first = 'May humiliated, Britain sidelined'
May in first = 'May is bitch in heat, Merkel wise to wait'
If Twitter is any guide, the Trump Presidency is over.....just ask Prime Ministers Miliband and Salmond.....
The system is what it is - if Trump worked it better than Clinton, whose fault is that?
My point is that the people after all did not vote him in. The system did.0 -
Right now Britain has to take the gamble. It is in a strategically dire position and can't sit back.Roger said:
That's fine if she was meeting a serious or proven politician who played by any known rules. She's meeting Coco the Clown or Chance the gardener and she'd be much better letting someone else with less to lose be the experiment.AlastairMeeks said:
That's a fair summary.CarlottaVance said:Toby Helm, in The Grauniad:
Theresa May has sealed a major diplomatic coup by becoming the first European leader to secure a meeting with President Donald Trump at the White House....
...May, who unlike Trump is known for measuring her every word, has said she will hold very “frank” discussions with the president and has been openly critical of some of his more outspoken remarks, notably about women.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/21/theresa-may-to-travel-to-us-for-donald-trump-visit-next-week-reports
She has to be as good as her word on this. On this occasion, I expect she will be.0 -
It was when Blair & Brown managed it (well, were first Europeans), but now its a Tory its a disaster.....rkrkrk said:
May getting to see Donald first is probably a good sign for the UK.CarlottaVance said:
And what would be the reaction to President Trump likening a female politician to a 'bitch in heat' (she's a Tory - so its ok - ed.)Roger said:
Be serious! She appears to the world like a bitch on heat.MaxPB said:
If this was reversed it would be evidence that Trump was sidelining Britain in favour of the EU, I'm sure.foxinsoxuk said:
I think she has more sense, and less desperation.CarlottaVance said:
Merkel visiting too, is she?foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it0 -
so why dont you elect women ?Roger said:
You pompous arse!!John_M said:I have to say that the comments by the lefties on here over the last few days, and particularly this morning, have enlightened me as to why they never elect women leaders; it's not just their ideas on government that are stuck in the 70s.
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Trump got the votes where it mattered. Whether Clinton wins California by 4,300 or 4.3 m makes no difference.surbiton said:
No. Unlike Brexit the people were NOT wrong! THe people voted by 3m for the other person. The system is wrong!CarlottaVance said:
Simple! As with Brexit, the people are wrongAlanbrooke said:
I cant help the left need to fill theiir current grief with activity - demos, boycotts etc. - when really what they should be doing is ask why the man got elected in the first place.CarlottaVance said:
NO! Much better decide beforehand!Alanbrooke said:
Which is perhaps why its best to see what happens in the meeting firstOldKingCole said:
So did I and I agree with Roger. Blair’s big, big, mistake was to believe that he HAD to go along with anything an American President said. Wilson, and Robin Cook, had a lot better grasp of reality there.Alanbrooke said:
you voted for BlairRoger said:
Be serious! She appears to the world like a bitch on heat.MaxPB said:
If this was reversed it would be evidence that Trump was sidelining Britain in favour of the EU, I'm sure.foxinsoxuk said:
I think she has more sense, and less desperation.CarlottaVance said:
Merkel visiting too, is she?foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it
It's really not a cool look for a British Prime Minister. It reminds me of Blair at his most obsequious
Merkel in first = 'May humiliated, Britain sidelined'
May in first = 'May is bitch in heat, Merkel wise to wait'
If Twitter is any guide, the Trump Presidency is over.....just ask Prime Ministers Miliband and Salmond.....0 -
Off-topic:
I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned on here yet, but a Trident test in June apparently failed:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38708823
Now, my first reaction to this was: 'good'.
Why?
It was a test. You learn things from successful tests: you may find a rocket motor was burning a little hot, or a guidance computer was slightly out of spec on a few parameters. Things can go slightly wrong, or non-optimally, and the test can still succeed as a whole.
You learn much more from a failed test. Something is wrong. Is it a problem with the hardware, software, an operational issue, a storage problem, etc, etc. Hopefully you have enough telemetry to work out what went wrong and look for areas where similar issues might occur.
As an aside, you need to be worried if you perform tests and you only ever get 'perfect' results, especially in a system where you can only perform small numbers of tests. It's far too easy to gain overconfidence in a system, as was shown with the Shuttle.
It'd be interesting to know how heavily instrumented these tests are; are they fully stock missile systems, selected at random, or are they altered?-1 -
Because they think of them as 'bitches in heat' who can 'give blow jobs'?Alanbrooke said:
so why dont you elect women ?Roger said:
You pompous arse!!John_M said:I have to say that the comments by the lefties on here over the last few days, and particularly this morning, have enlightened me as to why they never elect women leaders; it's not just their ideas on government that are stuck in the 70s.
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I think they persuade themselves that women who support right wing parties aren't really women.John_M said:I have to say that the comments by the lefties on here over the last few days, and particularly this morning, have enlightened me as to why they never elect women leaders; it's not just their ideas on government that are stuck in the 70s.
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My fear is that May/Tories are so desperate for a good news story once brexit gets going that we sign up to an awful deal with America...AlastairMeeks said:
Right now Britain has to take the gamble. It is in a strategically dire position and can't sit back.Roger said:
That's fine if she was meeting a serious or proven politician who played by any known rules. She's meeting Coco the Clown or Chance the gardener and she'd be much better letting someone else with less to lose be the experiment.AlastairMeeks said:
That's a fair summary.CarlottaVance said:Toby Helm, in The Grauniad:
Theresa May has sealed a major diplomatic coup by becoming the first European leader to secure a meeting with President Donald Trump at the White House....
...May, who unlike Trump is known for measuring her every word, has said she will hold very “frank” discussions with the president and has been openly critical of some of his more outspoken remarks, notably about women.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/21/theresa-may-to-travel-to-us-for-donald-trump-visit-next-week-reports
She has to be as good as her word on this. On this occasion, I expect she will be.0 -
Didn't someone say that T May was on Marr this morning?0
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Marr - is it really a good idea for the LDs to keep parading Cleggy on the EU ?0
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With a silly system like PR, it can always happen.OldKingCole said:
Just like the UK in 1951.surbiton said:
No. Unlike Brexit the people were NOT wrong! THe people voted by 3m for the other person. The system is wrong!CarlottaVance said:
Simple! As with Brexit, the people are wrongAlanbrooke said:
I cant help the left need to fill theiir current grief with activity - demos, boycotts etc. - when really what they should be doing is ask why the man got elected in the first place.CarlottaVance said:
NO! Much better decide beforehand!Alanbrooke said:
Which is perhaps why its best to see what happens in the meeting firstOldKingCole said:
So did I and I agree with Roger. Blair’s big, big, mistake was to believe that he HAD to go along with anything an American President said. Wilson, and Robin Cook, had a lot better grasp of reality there.Alanbrooke said:
you voted for BlairRoger said:
Be serious! She appears to the world like a bitch on heat.MaxPB said:
If this was reversed it would be evidence that Trump was sidelining Britain in favour of the EU, I'm sure.foxinsoxuk said:
I think she has more sense, and less desperation.CarlottaVance said:
Merkel visiting too, is she?foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it
It's really not a cool look for a British Prime Minister. It reminds me of Blair at his most obsequious
Merkel in first = 'May humiliated, Britain sidelined'
May in first = 'May is bitch in heat, Merkel wise to wait'
If Twitter is any guide, the Trump Presidency is over.....just ask Prime Ministers Miliband and Salmond.....0
