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It is 81 years since a party led by a grad of a university other than Oxford led his/her party to a general election victory. This table shows what happened in the intervening period
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First? Surely not...0
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An Oxford first?Innocent_Abroad said:First? Surely not...
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Douglas0
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Oxford Graduates only slightly more over-represented that people with the name "James".0
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Not just the same university, the same course: Wilson, Heath, Blair and Cameron all read PPE at Oxford.
As did many of their ministers and civil servants.0 -
Us Light Blues have much more important things to do than be Prime Minister.
There's an unarguable case that Alan Turing did more to win the war than say Clement Attlee.0 -
No they didn't.DecrepitJohnL said:Not just the same university, the same course: Wilson, Heath, Blair and Cameron all read PPE at Oxford.
As did many of their ministers and civil servants.
Blair read Jurisprudence.0 -
My favourite pub quiz question.TheWhiteRabbit said:Oxford Graduates only slightly more over-represented that people with the name "James".
How many Labour Prime Ministers have there been with the first name James?0 -
Absolute proof that use of sports-based metaphors is shit.
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You light blues just poured a bucket of shit over Osborne this morning.TheScreamingEagles said:Us Light Blues have much more important things to do than be Prime Minister.
There's an unarguable case that Alan Turing did more to win the war than say Clement Attlee.0 -
"Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee" sounds dangerously like revealing his hand.Theuniondivvie said:Absolute proof that use of sports-based metaphors is shit.
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Come 2020 another to add to the list....a Geographer this time, after our previous female Chemist.....0
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Four, isn't it? Didn't we have that question a while ago?TheScreamingEagles said:
My favourite pub quiz question.TheWhiteRabbit said:Oxford Graduates only slightly more over-represented that people with the name "James".
How many Labour Prime Ministers have there been with the first name James?0 -
Three.TheScreamingEagles said:
My favourite pub quiz question.TheWhiteRabbit said:Oxford Graduates only slightly more over-represented that people with the name "James".
How many Labour Prime Ministers have there been with the first name James?0 -
An undivided Second, from an unfashionable college. But I have to own up to PPE...Theuniondivvie said:
An Oxford first?Innocent_Abroad said:First? Surely not...
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We've done it on this site more than oncedavid_herdson said:
Four, isn't it? Didn't we have that question a while ago?TheScreamingEagles said:
My favourite pub quiz question.TheWhiteRabbit said:Oxford Graduates only slightly more over-represented that people with the name "James".
How many Labour Prime Ministers have there been with the first name James?
The trick is not to include the only one who people think of as a James, his first name in Leonard.0 -
You and your fancy legal facts!TheScreamingEagles said:
No they didn't.DecrepitJohnL said:Not just the same university, the same course: Wilson, Heath, Blair and Cameron all read PPE at Oxford.
As did many of their ministers and civil servants.
Blair read Jurisprudence.0 -
Threedavid_herdson said:
Four, isn't it? Didn't we have that question a while ago?TheScreamingEagles said:
My favourite pub quiz question.TheWhiteRabbit said:Oxford Graduates only slightly more over-represented that people with the name "James".
How many Labour Prime Ministers have there been with the first name James?
1) James Ramsay MacDonald
2) James Harold Wilson
3) James Gordon Brown
Leonard James Callaghan isn't eligible.0 -
On topic, unlikely to be any break with the pattern. May went to Oxford; Corbyn didn't go anywhere.0
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Perhaps Mr Fletcher has inadvertently let slip their strategy.williamglenn said:
"Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee" sounds dangerously like revealing his hand.Theuniondivvie said:Absolute proof that use of sports-based metaphors is shit.
https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/816906880043941892
'In competitive situations other than boxing, rope-a-dope is used to describe strategies in which one party purposely puts itself in what appears to be a losing position, attempting thereby to become the eventual victor.'
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Corbyn only got two Es at A-level and failed to finish his course in Trade Union Studies, even though it was at North London Polytechnic.david_herdson said:On topic, unlikely to be any break with the pattern. May went to Oxford; Corbyn didn't go anywhere.
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FPT: Miss Jones, that's demented. I can still remember "Wie komme ich am besten zum Bahnhof, bitte?" or "Wo konnte ich ein Sturmgewehr kaufen?" (What is the best way to the train station/Where could I buy an assault rifle).
The history thing sounds like King John revisionism, where some praise his bean-counting and ignore smaller things like sexually molesting his nobles' female relatives, or losing English territory in France, or trying to usurp his brother, or losing half of England to the French before he did the decent thing and died.0 -
How many Dele's has there been as PM?TheScreamingEagles said:
Threedavid_herdson said:
Four, isn't it? Didn't we have that question a while ago?TheScreamingEagles said:
My favourite pub quiz question.TheWhiteRabbit said:Oxford Graduates only slightly more over-represented that people with the name "James".
How many Labour Prime Ministers have there been with the first name James?
1) James Ramsay MacDonald
2) James Harold Wilson
3) James Gordon Brown
Leonard James Callaghan isn't eligible.
Talking of form and class.... I see Spurs breaking in to the top 4 for the first time since Oct coincides with another rare event in the PB fantasy footie... and please also note the correlation with the lack of any English cricket going on!!0 -
He also said that as a West Ham fan, he realised that "they played better when the fans weren't booing them".Theuniondivvie said:Absolute proof that use of sports-based metaphors is shit.
https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/816906880043941892
Now, why do you think the fans would boo their own team?
An own goal, if I may say, metaphor-wise.0 -
I'm yet to deploy my triple captain and other boosts.Scrapheap_as_was said:
How many Dele's has there been as PM?TheScreamingEagles said:
Threedavid_herdson said:
Four, isn't it? Didn't we have that question a while ago?TheScreamingEagles said:
My favourite pub quiz question.TheWhiteRabbit said:Oxford Graduates only slightly more over-represented that people with the name "James".
How many Labour Prime Ministers have there been with the first name James?
1) James Ramsay MacDonald
2) James Harold Wilson
3) James Gordon Brown
Leonard James Callaghan isn't eligible.
Talking of form and class.... I see Spurs breaking in to the top 4 for the first time since Oct coincides with another rare event in the PB fantasy footie... and please also note the correlation with the lack of any English cricket going on!!
Stock up on Manchester United players for the next round of matches because
1) It's Manchester United v Liverpool
2) I'm going to Old Trafford
3) England play India that day in the first one dayer.0 -
Not another Oxbridge thread - giving the usual PB suspects the opportunity (yet again) to tell us they went there.0
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Pitiful Bragging?Stark_Dawning said:Not another Oxbridge thread - giving the usual PB suspects the opportunity (yet again) to tell us they went there.
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Without looking, can anyone guess which Oxford College has two of the PMs listed? All the rest went to different colleges.0
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So basically while Cambridge nurtures genius and advances mankind, Oxford just dicks the country about0
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Is the correct response to that "bless"?Casino_Royale said:
Corbyn only got two Es at A-level and failed to finish his course in Trade Union Studies, even though it was at North London Polytechnic.david_herdson said:On topic, unlikely to be any break with the pattern. May went to Oxford; Corbyn didn't go anywhere.
My favourite shadow cabinet appointment is currently Education.
"Born Angela Bowen, she attended Avondale School, Stockport, leaving school pregnant and with no qualifications."
Wonderful.0 -
But it isn't Oxbridge......that's rather the point....Stark_Dawning said:Not another Oxbridge thread - giving the usual PB suspects the opportunity (yet again) to tell us they went there.
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Is it Balliol?tlg86 said:Without looking, can anyone guess which Oxford College has two of the PMs listed? All the rest went to different colleges.
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27, and counting.0
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None of my friends or family have a degree
We're such salt of the earth East End rough diamonds !0 -
Cambridge is the home of rabid leftism.Alanbrooke said:So basically while Cambridge nurtures genius and advances mankind, Oxford just dicks the country about
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Pbers who can name any Oxford colleges are at an unfair advantage here.tlg86 said:Without looking, can anyone guess which Oxford College has two of the PMs listed? All the rest went to different colleges.
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Every university is the home of rabid leftism. Save for Durham, Exeter, perhaps.MaxPB said:
Cambridge is the home of rabid leftism.Alanbrooke said:So basically while Cambridge nurtures genius and advances mankind, Oxford just dicks the country about
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And Remainers.MaxPB said:
Cambridge is the home of rabid leftism.Alanbrooke said:So basically while Cambridge nurtures genius and advances mankind, Oxford just dicks the country about
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Have I mentioned that one of tutors also taught May?Stark_Dawning said:Not another Oxbridge thread - giving the usual PB suspects the opportunity (yet again) to tell us they went there.
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St Andrew's definitely.TOPPING said:
Every university is the home of rabid leftism. Save for Durham, Exeter, perhaps.MaxPB said:
Cambridge is the home of rabid leftism.Alanbrooke said:So basically while Cambridge nurtures genius and advances mankind, Oxford just dicks the country about
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And traitors......MaxPB said:
Cambridge is the home of rabid leftism.Alanbrooke said:So basically while Cambridge nurtures genius and advances mankind, Oxford just dicks the country about
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Well done - MacMillan and Heath.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Is it Balliol?tlg86 said:Without looking, can anyone guess which Oxford College has two of the PMs listed? All the rest went to different colleges.
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Since I don't have much better to do at the moment, I'll nit-pick your German. "Konnte" is past tense; you want "könnte", which is the conditional. So that should be: "Wo könnte ich ein Sturmgewehr kaufen?".Morris_Dancer said:FPT: Miss Jones, that's demented. I can still remember "Wie komme ich am besten zum Bahnhof, bitte?" or "Wo konnte ich ein Sturmgewehr kaufen?" (What is the best way to the train station/Where could I buy an assault rifle).
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Balliol? Heath and Macmillan?DecrepitJohnL said:
Pbers who can name any Oxford colleges are at an unfair advantage here.tlg86 said:Without looking, can anyone guess which Oxford College has two of the PMs listed? All the rest went to different colleges.
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Actual traitors too, iirc.CarlottaVance said:
And traitors......MaxPB said:
Cambridge is the home of rabid leftism.Alanbrooke said:So basically while Cambridge nurtures genius and advances mankind, Oxford just dicks the country about
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That wasnt what he did though..rope a dope..williamglenn said:
"Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee" sounds dangerously like revealing his hand.Theuniondivvie said:Absolute proof that use of sports-based metaphors is shit.
https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/8169068800439418920 -
I don't suppose grammar Nazi is a term much bandied about in Germany.FeersumEnjineeya said:
Since I don't have much better to do at the moment, I'll nit-pick your German. "Konnte" is past tense; you want "könnte", which is the conditional. So that should be: "Wo könnte ich ein Sturmgewehr kaufen?".Morris_Dancer said:FPT: Miss Jones, that's demented. I can still remember "Wie komme ich am besten zum Bahnhof, bitte?" or "Wo konnte ich ein Sturmgewehr kaufen?" (What is the best way to the train station/Where could I buy an assault rifle).
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Yes good point.Theuniondivvie said:
St Andrew's definitely.TOPPING said:
Every university is the home of rabid leftism. Save for Durham, Exeter, perhaps.MaxPB said:
Cambridge is the home of rabid leftism.Alanbrooke said:So basically while Cambridge nurtures genius and advances mankind, Oxford just dicks the country about
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St Johns? Blair and one other.david_herdson said:
Balliol? Heath and Macmillan?DecrepitJohnL said:
Pbers who can name any Oxford colleges are at an unfair advantage here.tlg86 said:Without looking, can anyone guess which Oxford College has two of the PMs listed? All the rest went to different colleges.
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There was an Oxford spy ring but they were so inept they were caught almost immediately -- though there has been the odd suggestion maybe some did escape detection.MaxPB said:
Actual traitors too, iirc.CarlottaVance said:
And traitors......MaxPB said:
Cambridge is the home of rabid leftism.Alanbrooke said:So basically while Cambridge nurtures genius and advances mankind, Oxford just dicks the country about
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I clearly remember a chapter in my German O level book which was all about the wall. The word I remember most is Stacheldraht - barbed wire. Very useful!0
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I always knew you were a wise man.Alanbrooke said:So basically while Cambridge nurtures genius and advances mankind, Oxford just dicks the country about
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What about the degrees they took? Plenty of PPE. Only one scientist?0
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My husband took German and could only recall 'fried egg' and 'traffic light' - I thought the fried egg was perfect, they seem to be on everything.Patrick said:I clearly remember a chapter in my German O level book which was all about the wall. The word I remember most is Stacheldraht - barbed wire. Very useful!
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The odd science in politics theme is the correlation with sex. Mrs Thatcher and Frau Merkel were both chemists; Margaret Beckett was a metallurgist.rottenborough said:What about the degrees they took? Plenty of PPE. Only one scientist?
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Somewhat surprisingly perhaps, in the mid 80s Cardiff was the only University which had a Tory student union administration. Welshowl and I both dabbled in that at the time.TOPPING said:
Every university is the home of rabid leftism. Save for Durham, Exeter, perhaps.MaxPB said:
Cambridge is the home of rabid leftism.Alanbrooke said:So basically while Cambridge nurtures genius and advances mankind, Oxford just dicks the country about
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Mr. Enjineeya, believe it or not, I did know that (I think the U in Sturmgewehr needs an umlaut too) but don't know how to easily manufacture an umlaut.0
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By 2005 it was extremely left wing.Richard_Tyndall said:
Somewhat surprisingly perhaps, in the mid 80s Cardiff was the only University which had a Tory student union administration. Welshowl and I both dabbled in that at the time.TOPPING said:
Every university is the home of rabid leftism. Save for Durham, Exeter, perhaps.MaxPB said:
Cambridge is the home of rabid leftism.Alanbrooke said:So basically while Cambridge nurtures genius and advances mankind, Oxford just dicks the country about
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MacMillan read the Classics I believe.rottenborough said:What about the degrees they took? Plenty of PPE. Only one scientist?
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Miss Plato, can't remember traffic lights. Probably should be able to. Can remember die ersten links, zweiten rechts und uber die Kreuzung (first left, second right, over the crossroads).
I can, however, remember that a Luftkissenboot is a hovercraft. Ich habe die besten Worte.0 -
I'm not sure the concept even exists in Germany. If something is incorrect, it is incorrect, and it is perfectly acceptable to point out the error. The hint of anti-intellectualism/anti-authoritarianism that permeates British discourse is rather less pronounced in Germany.Theuniondivvie said:
I don't suppose grammar Nazi is a term much bandied about in Germany.FeersumEnjineeya said:
Since I don't have much better to do at the moment, I'll nit-pick your German. "Konnte" is past tense; you want "könnte", which is the conditional. So that should be: "Wo könnte ich ein Sturmgewehr kaufen?".Morris_Dancer said:FPT: Miss Jones, that's demented. I can still remember "Wie komme ich am besten zum Bahnhof, bitte?" or "Wo konnte ich ein Sturmgewehr kaufen?" (What is the best way to the train station/Where could I buy an assault rifle).
On a vaguely related topic, I've almost finished reading Marc Elsberg's Blackout, an absolutely cracking science thriller based on the premise of cyber-terrorists shutting down the electricity supply of most of Europe for an extended period. It's very plausibly written and obviously well researched. The English translation is due out next month, and I'd recommend it to anyone who enjoys a good disaster novel.0 -
None of them paid any tuition fees and none of them paid (or will pay) graduate tax.0
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Sounds interesting, I'll definitely keep a look out for it. I've just started The Witcher book series, if you're even slightly interested in fantasy it's well worth picking up. I got the first 5 books for a fiver for my Kindle.FeersumEnjineeya said:
I'm not sure the concept even exists in Germany. If something is incorrect, it is incorrect, and it is perfectly acceptable to point out the error. The hint of anti-intellectualism/anti-authoritarianism that permeates British discourse is rather less pronounced in Germany.Theuniondivvie said:
I don't suppose grammar Nazi is a term much bandied about in Germany.FeersumEnjineeya said:
Since I don't have much better to do at the moment, I'll nit-pick your German. "Konnte" is past tense; you want "könnte", which is the conditional. So that should be: "Wo könnte ich ein Sturmgewehr kaufen?".Morris_Dancer said:FPT: Miss Jones, that's demented. I can still remember "Wie komme ich am besten zum Bahnhof, bitte?" or "Wo konnte ich ein Sturmgewehr kaufen?" (What is the best way to the train station/Where could I buy an assault rifle).
On a vaguely related topic, I've almost finished reading Marc Elsberg's Blackout, an absolutely cracking science thriller based on the premise of cyber-terrorists shutting down the electricity supply of most of Europe for an extended period. It's very plausibly written and obviously well researched. The English translation is due out next month, and I'd recommend it to anyone who enjoys a good disaster novel.0 -
O/T but interesting evidence of creeping metrification in the US - http://fl.milesplit.com/articles/199628-new-rule-implements-use-of-metric-measurement-in-all-field-events0
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Excellent services PMI figure:
The closely watched Markit/CIPS services purchasing managers’ index (PMI) reached 56.2 in December, up from 55.2 in November and above economists’ forecasts of 54.7.0 -
Tuition fees - if implemented at all - should have been retrospective.tlg86 said:
The government should pass a retrospective law to say that graduates should pay a percentage of their earned income to the government. And then send Blair a massive bill.Pong said:None of them paid any tuition fees.
The current arrangements amount to a huge generational f*ck-over.0 -
Microsoft's Mark Russinovich wrote a similarly-themed novel. Any resemblance to not-Russian hackers attacking the grids of Ukraine and the United States is no doubt coincidental.FeersumEnjineeya said:
I'm not sure the concept even exists in Germany. If something is incorrect, it is incorrect, and it is perfectly acceptable to point out the error. The hint of anti-intellectualism/anti-authoritarianism that permeates British discourse is rather less pronounced in Germany.Theuniondivvie said:
I don't suppose grammar Nazi is a term much bandied about in Germany.FeersumEnjineeya said:
Since I don't have much better to do at the moment, I'll nit-pick your German. "Konnte" is past tense; you want "könnte", which is the conditional. So that should be: "Wo könnte ich ein Sturmgewehr kaufen?".Morris_Dancer said:FPT: Miss Jones, that's demented. I can still remember "Wie komme ich am besten zum Bahnhof, bitte?" or "Wo konnte ich ein Sturmgewehr kaufen?" (What is the best way to the train station/Where could I buy an assault rifle).
On a vaguely related topic, I've almost finished reading Marc Elsberg's Blackout, an absolutely cracking science thriller based on the premise of cyber-terrorists shutting down the electricity supply of most of Europe for an extended period. It's very plausibly written and obviously well researched. The English translation is due out next month, and I'd recommend it to anyone who enjoys a good disaster novel.0 -
Matches similar figures a few days ago in both manufacturing and construction.Richard_Nabavi said:Excellent services PMI figure:
The closely watched Markit/CIPS services purchasing managers’ index (PMI) reached 56.2 in December, up from 55.2 in November and above economists’ forecasts of 54.7.0 -
Careful, the remainers will be calling you a ToryRichard_Nabavi said:Excellent services PMI figure:
The closely watched Markit/CIPS services purchasing managers’ index (PMI) reached 56.2 in December, up from 55.2 in November and above economists’ forecasts of 54.7.0 -
Notably weak Sterling is driving export demand. Could be a proper J shaped recovery in our trade deficit down the line.Richard_Nabavi said:Excellent services PMI figure:
The closely watched Markit/CIPS services purchasing managers’ index (PMI) reached 56.2 in December, up from 55.2 in November and above economists’ forecasts of 54.7.0 -
Just a counter-factual question that occurred to me: suppose we'd voted to leave the EU, but were in the eurozone?
Would we be wishing we could be devaluing the currency? Would we be glad for the stabilising effect of a broad currency umbrella?0 -
Karen Bradley at Culture, Media and Sport was a mathematician.DecrepitJohnL said:
The odd science in politics theme is the correlation with sex. Mrs Thatcher and Frau Merkel were both chemists; Margaret Beckett was a metallurgist.rottenborough said:What about the degrees they took? Plenty of PPE. Only one scientist?
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The Oxford (With very occasional Cambridge and a couple of Edinburgh/Glasgow or none) sequence continues right back to Sir Robert Walpole.
Previous to that it seems the most important non royal position was the Lord High Treasurer, which seems to have been related to the church in the early days - (Various Bishops seemed to get the position, the first of which was Nigel of Ely...).
Before that position was created the key figure I suppose was the Archbishop of Canterbury, and that gets you back to St Augustine in ~ 600.0 -
Yes, I was fortunate enough to be in the final year before the top up fees came in. And because both of my parents were out of work (basically retired) I didn't have to pay anything in my final year (which I didn't understand as they could have just added it to my loan like everything else, but I didn't complain!).Pong said:
Tuition fees - if implemented at all - should have been retrospective.tlg86 said:
The government should pass a retrospective law to say that graduates should pay a percentage of their earned income to the government. And then send Blair a massive bill.Pong said:None of them paid any tuition fees.
The current arrangements amount to a huge generational f*ck-over.
It's another thing that makes me think we're heading for trouble. The more graduates have to pay back in fees, the less they'll have to spend on other things including housing. At some point something will have to give.0 -
Nottingham was deeply Tory in 1980s.Richard_Tyndall said:
Somewhat surprisingly perhaps, in the mid 80s Cardiff was the only University which had a Tory student union administration. Welshowl and I both dabbled in that at the time.TOPPING said:
Every university is the home of rabid leftism. Save for Durham, Exeter, perhaps.MaxPB said:
Cambridge is the home of rabid leftism.Alanbrooke said:So basically while Cambridge nurtures genius and advances mankind, Oxford just dicks the country about
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That sounds a very good idea. What other new costs could we impose and make retrospective, I wonder? There's scope for raising a huge amount of money in that line. A hefty tax on house purchases, perhaps?Pong said:
Tuition fees - if implemented at all - should have been retrospective.tlg86 said:
The government should pass a retrospective law to say that graduates should pay a percentage of their earned income to the government. And then send Blair a massive bill.Pong said:None of them paid any tuition fees.
The current arrangements amount to a huge generational f*ck-over.
We could go the whole hog and simply nationalise all housing. Then we could turn people out of big houses that are surplus to their needs & use them for larger families - or build over their gardens/fields.
One for Mr Corbyn's government, perhaps.
Good morning, everyone.
(Edited to add: this is supposed to be a joke.)0 -
Morning all. Apart from the intrinsic pleasure of decent PMI figures all round (and I include Europe), it's delightful to see the contortions that Sam Tombs is going through trying to interpret themRichard_Nabavi said:Excellent services PMI figure:
The closely watched Markit/CIPS services purchasing managers’ index (PMI) reached 56.2 in December, up from 55.2 in November and above economists’ forecasts of 54.7..
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Retrospective taxation comes with a number of problems....Pong said:
Tuition fees - if implemented at all - should have been retrospective.tlg86 said:
The government should pass a retrospective law to say that graduates should pay a percentage of their earned income to the government. And then send Blair a massive bill.Pong said:None of them paid any tuition fees.
The current arrangements amount to a huge generational f*ck-over.0 -
Ampfel, I think? (Dredges mind back 25 years to GCSE German).Morris_Dancer said:Miss Plato, can't remember traffic lights. Probably should be able to. Can remember die ersten links, zweiten rechts und uber die Kreuzung (first left, second right, over the crossroads).
I can, however, remember that a Luftkissenboot is a hovercraft. Ich habe die besten Worte.0 -
I think in that scenario the government would have declared a week of bank holidays and converted all deposits to Sterling and replaced all of the country's cash within that time. I don't think it would be possible to leave the Eurozone any other way, it would completely undermine the banking industry to talk about changing the currency but not actually do it.Morris_Dancer said:Just a counter-factual question that occurred to me: suppose we'd voted to leave the EU, but were in the eurozone?
Would we be wishing we could be devaluing the currency? Would we be glad for the stabilising effect of a broad currency umbrella?0 -
Looking at the thread-header table again, three were barristers: Attlee, Thatcher and Blair.
Three were Old Etonians: Eden, Macmillan and Cameron.0 -
F1: just reading a technical article on the banned suspension (seems to be trying to reproduce the advantages of the front-rear-interconnected [FRIC] suspension from a few years ago).
https://thewptformula.com/2017/01/05/tech-highlights-mercedesred-bull-energy-recovery-suspension/
Given Ferrari complained and Red Bull/Mercedes have been making particular use of it, this should see a relative advantage for Ferrari. That said, I still think they'd be relieved if they're third fastest in the forthcoming season.0 -
Mr. Herdson, maybe.
Good morning, Mr. M and Miss JGP.0 -
Any similarity probably is coincidental, given that the two books were originally published within a year of one another.DecrepitJohnL said:
Microsoft's Mark Russinovich wrote a similarly-themed novel. Any resemblance to not-Russian hackers attacking the grids of Ukraine and the United States is no doubt coincidental.FeersumEnjineeya said:
I'm not sure the concept even exists in Germany. If something is incorrect, it is incorrect, and it is perfectly acceptable to point out the error. The hint of anti-intellectualism/anti-authoritarianism that permeates British discourse is rather less pronounced in Germany.Theuniondivvie said:
I don't suppose grammar Nazi is a term much bandied about in Germany.FeersumEnjineeya said:
Since I don't have much better to do at the moment, I'll nit-pick your German. "Konnte" is past tense; you want "könnte", which is the conditional. So that should be: "Wo könnte ich ein Sturmgewehr kaufen?".Morris_Dancer said:FPT: Miss Jones, that's demented. I can still remember "Wie komme ich am besten zum Bahnhof, bitte?" or "Wo konnte ich ein Sturmgewehr kaufen?" (What is the best way to the train station/Where could I buy an assault rifle).
On a vaguely related topic, I've almost finished reading Marc Elsberg's Blackout, an absolutely cracking science thriller based on the premise of cyber-terrorists shutting down the electricity supply of most of Europe for an extended period. It's very plausibly written and obviously well researched. The English translation is due out next month, and I'd recommend it to anyone who enjoys a good disaster novel.0 -
Those educated pre-WWII would have done, wouldn't they? In fact, all bar Blair, Cameron and possibly Thatcher (not sure what the situation was during WWII).Pong said:None of them paid any tuition fees and none of them paid (or will pay) graduate tax.
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Thanks for the book recommendation, I'll look out for it. Just finished Bernhard Schlink's (The Reader) crime/thriller collaboration with Walter Popp, Self's Punishment, 'twas excellent I thought.FeersumEnjineeya said:
I'm not sure the concept even exists in Germany. If something is incorrect, it is incorrect, and it is perfectly acceptable to point out the error. The hint of anti-intellectualism/anti-authoritarianism that permeates British discourse is rather less pronounced in Germany.Theuniondivvie said:
I don't suppose grammar Nazi is a term much bandied about in Germany.FeersumEnjineeya said:
Since I don't have much better to do at the moment, I'll nit-pick your German. "Konnte" is past tense; you want "könnte", which is the conditional. So that should be: "Wo könnte ich ein Sturmgewehr kaufen?".Morris_Dancer said:FPT: Miss Jones, that's demented. I can still remember "Wie komme ich am besten zum Bahnhof, bitte?" or "Wo konnte ich ein Sturmgewehr kaufen?" (What is the best way to the train station/Where could I buy an assault rifle).
On a vaguely related topic, I've almost finished reading Marc Elsberg's Blackout, an absolutely cracking science thriller based on the premise of cyber-terrorists shutting down the electricity supply of most of Europe for an extended period. It's very plausibly written and obviously well researched. The English translation is due out next month, and I'd recommend it to anyone who enjoys a good disaster novel.
Slightly bathetically, on the anti-intellectualism/anti-authoritarianism front I watched Rick Stein's Long Weekends last night which was set in Berlin (very enjoyable it was too). One strand which reflected my idea of the place was its anti-authoritarian, bolshy attitude compared to the rest of Germany.0 -
I meant the coincidence with the real-life cyber attacks on electricity grids.FeersumEnjineeya said:
Any similarity probably is coincidental, given that the two books were originally published within a year of one another.DecrepitJohnL said:
Microsoft's Mark Russinovich wrote a similarly-themed novel. Any resemblance to not-Russian hackers attacking the grids of Ukraine and the United States is no doubt coincidental.FeersumEnjineeya said:
I'm not sure the concept even exists in Germany. If something is incorrect, it is incorrect, and it is perfectly acceptable to point out the error. The hint of anti-intellectualism/anti-authoritarianism that permeates British discourse is rather less pronounced in Germany.Theuniondivvie said:
I don't suppose grammar Nazi is a term much bandied about in Germany.FeersumEnjineeya said:
Since I don't have much better to do at the moment, I'll nit-pick your German. "Konnte" is past tense; you want "könnte", which is the conditional. So that should be: "Wo könnte ich ein Sturmgewehr kaufen?".Morris_Dancer said:FPT: Miss Jones, that's demented. I can still remember "Wie komme ich am besten zum Bahnhof, bitte?" or "Wo konnte ich ein Sturmgewehr kaufen?" (What is the best way to the train station/Where could I buy an assault rifle).
On a vaguely related topic, I've almost finished reading Marc Elsberg's Blackout, an absolutely cracking science thriller based on the premise of cyber-terrorists shutting down the electricity supply of most of Europe for an extended period. It's very plausibly written and obviously well researched. The English translation is due out next month, and I'd recommend it to anyone who enjoys a good disaster novel.0 -
Oooh. Depends hugely on what rate we had hypothetically joined the Euro. The Euro is far too weak for Germany. Pre Brexit the pound was far too high. Only one got its correction. A country needs the right exchange rate for its currency based upon the facts of its economy. No country in the Euro gets that. Some get a Euro that is too weak and for some it's too strong. They need a transfer union and a political union or its going to break at some point.Morris_Dancer said:Just a counter-factual question that occurred to me: suppose we'd voted to leave the EU, but were in the eurozone?
Would we be wishing we could be devaluing the currency? Would we be glad for the stabilising effect of a broad currency umbrella?0 -
Creeping, as a glacier creeps. The fact that imperial measurements are so widely used in a sport where metric is universal at elite level shows, if anything, how resistant the US is to adopting metric.williamglenn said:O/T but interesting evidence of creeping metrification in the US - http://fl.milesplit.com/articles/199628-new-rule-implements-use-of-metric-measurement-in-all-field-events
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At some point, house prices will have to fall. One of the many failings of my generation (a side effect of the increasing wealth in this country), is our propensity to assist our children in getting on the housing ladder. That's perfectly understandable, but it's served to break one of the fundamental moderators that traditionally governed the housing market.tlg86 said:
Yes, I was fortunate enough to be in the final year before the top up fees came in. And because both of my parents were out of work (basically retired) I didn't have to pay anything in my final year (which I didn't understand as they could have just added it to my loan like everything else, but I didn't complain!).Pong said:
Tuition fees - if implemented at all - should have been retrospective.tlg86 said:
The government should pass a retrospective law to say that graduates should pay a percentage of their earned income to the government. And then send Blair a massive bill.Pong said:None of them paid any tuition fees.
The current arrangements amount to a huge generational f*ck-over.
It's another thing that makes me think we're heading for trouble. The more graduates have to pay back in fees, the less they'll have to spend on other things including housing. At some point something will have to give.0 -
If we'd joined the Eurozone after a decision in, say, 2001, then the next seven years in the UK would have looked like those in Ireland and the whole history of the UK and of the EU would have been different and very ugly. (Indeed, the history at 2001 would have needed to be different in order for the UK to join).Patrick said:
Oooh. Depends hugely on what rate we had hypothetically joined the Euro. The Euro is far too weak for Germany. Pre Brexit the pound was far too high. Only one got its correction. A country needs the right exchange rate for its currency based upon the facts of its economy. No country in the Euro gets that. Some get a Euro that is too weak and for some it's too strong. They need a transfer union and a political union or its going to break at some point.Morris_Dancer said:Just a counter-factual question that occurred to me: suppose we'd voted to leave the EU, but were in the eurozone?
Would we be wishing we could be devaluing the currency? Would we be glad for the stabilising effect of a broad currency umbrella?0 -
Hull University had a Conservative President in the mid-1970s - despite the local MPs being solidly Labour, the various student unions in the city were right wing. In 1977 the College SU sent a National Front member to the annual NUS conference, which caused quite a stir. If I remember correctly, he was called to speak in a debate and appeared looking very cool in a buttoned-up black shirt. Politics aside, one of the bravest things I've ever witnessed.0
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Given the best universities in the country are Oxford and Cambridge (with the PPE course provided by the former but not the latter explaining its disproportionate share of PMs) it is not surprising Oxford is overrepresented in election winning MPs (though Chamberlain went to Birmingham and Brown Edinburgh albeit neither won an election). However I don't see why an election winning non-Oxbridge PM would be a defeat for the elite for example if an Eton and Bristol educated City Lawyer beat a comprehensive and Oxford educated social worker would that be a defeat for the elite? I think not.-1
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A a table was a Spaniard an Englishman a Portuguese a Frenchman and a German discussing who had the prettiest language.Patrick said:I clearly remember a chapter in my German O level book which was all about the wall. The word I remember most is Stacheldraht - barbed wire. Very useful!
The Englishman said What could be more attractive than 'butterfly'"?
"Mariposa" said the Spaniard
"Borboleta'" said the Portuguese
"Papillon" said the Frenchman
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Mr. Roger, Germany does have a lot of good artists, though. I'm sure it'd be enthralling to visit a Kunstmuseum.0
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On topic, the "anti-elitist backlash" consists of elderly and middle-aged white people who don't like checks and balances that restrict their power. Farage was a commodities trader, son of a stockbroker, and Trump was a real estate tycoon, son of a real estate tycoon. They won't mind more Oxford people as long as they don't try giving rights to less powerful minorities.0
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I have heard from more than one source recently that public school pupils currently looking for university places are rejecting Oxford and Cambridge for other reasons than that they don't think they are bright enough. There may of course be a huge "they would say that, wouldn't they?" factor in this.HYUFD said:Given the best universities in the country are Oxford and Cambridge (with the PPE course provided by the former but not the latter explaining its disproportionate share of PMs) it is not surprising Oxford is overrepresented in election winning MPs (though Chamberlain went to Birmingham and Brown Edinburgh albeit neither won an election). However I don't see why an election winning non-Oxbridge PM would be a defeat for the elite for example if an Eton and Bristol educated City Lawyer beat a comprehensive and Oxford educated social worker would that be a defeat for the elite? I think not.
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rottenborough said:
Nottingham was deeply Tory in 1980s.Richard_Tyndall said:
Somewhat surprisingly perhaps, in the mid 80s Cardiff was the only University which had a Tory student union administration. Welshowl and I both dabbled in that at the time.TOPPING said:
Every university is the home of rabid leftism. Save for Durham, Exeter, perhaps.MaxPB said:
Cambridge is the home of rabid leftism.Alanbrooke said:So basically while Cambridge nurtures genius and advances mankind, Oxford just dicks the country about
Nottingham University is dominated by Engineers and Scientists who are practical people rather than dreamers.0 -
Roger, you forgot the Italian ' farfalla'0