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  • PlatoSaid
    PlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    I've been watching Yesterday prog on Vietnam war and it's coming across as quite Afghani in terms of cultural Eff Off attitude - this isn't a subject I'm familiar with - any views of interest.
  • PlatoSaid
    PlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    PlatoSaid said:

    I loved the Dukes of Hazzard - I do wonder how many General Lee car they smashed - dozens I suspect

    EDIT - bugger it's been bothering for years where I'd seen Superman's dad in Smallville before - he's a Duke bros!

    ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBfrJHs56cA

    Apparently - it was over 300.
  • tpfkar
    tpfkar Posts: 1,578
    Haha think 12 across is ELECTED in honour of Diane James!
  • PlatoSaid
    PlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Westwing Reports
    On This Day. 1776. In the dead of night, Washington led Continental Army troops across the Delaware in a surprise attack on Hessian forces https://t.co/yLRp0fBRdp
  • PlatoSaid
    PlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    edited December 2016
    tpfkar said:

    Haha think 12 across is ELECTED in honour of Diane James!

    1972

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i4EnjRKVQw
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Happy Christmas everyone.
  • AlsoIndigo
    AlsoIndigo Posts: 1,852
    edited December 2016

    Downer.

    We only buy for kids in our (UK) family, there is something a bit odd about adults buying gifts for each other when everyone already has anything (cheap) that they want already.

    Out here in the Philippines the opposite applies, I have been handing out many little envelopes with a bit of cash in, people are more appreciative with help to make ends meet or with buying an essential than they would be with receiving something they largely dont need.
  • stjohn
    stjohn Posts: 1,910
    edited December 2016
    tpkfar. No.

    12 ac is not elected.
  • PlatoSaid
    PlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    edited December 2016
    AlsoIndigo said:



    Downer.

    We only buy for kids in our (UK) family, there is something a bit odd about adults buying gifts for each other when everyone already has anything (cheap) that they want already.

    Out here in the Philippines the opposite applies, I have been handing out many little envelopes with a bit of cash in, people are more appreciative with help to make ends meet or with buying an essential than they would be with receiving something they largely dont need.

    I was brought up in a culture of books - and always gift something that's factual/coffee table glossy - if the recipient doesn't fancy it - I hope it ends up in a charity shop.

    Personally, I wish someone had bought me a gift I gave to another - and suspect it missed the mark in retrospect. I'm usually pretty good as I pay a lot of attention. It's an amazingly frightening one. I went to WHSmiths to see it myself and stunned - I'd read a review and very struck.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/100-Suns-Michael-Light/dp/1400041139
  • Toms
    Toms Posts: 2,478
    AlsoIndigo said:


    Downer.

    We only buy for kids in our (UK) family, there is something a bit odd about adults buying gifts for each other when everyone already has anything (cheap) that they want already.

    Out here in the Philippines the opposite applies, I have been handing out many little envelopes with a bit of cash in, people are more appreciative with help to make ends meet or with buying an essential than they would be with receiving something they largely dont need.

    In the Big Apple, at least, that's how proper Jewish weddings go, and for similar, logical, reasons. A mate of mine said that as the guests filed by and shook hands each handed him a plain envelope with cash. The lone exception was the gift of a chinning bar from the only goy there. Bless.
  • stjohn
    stjohn Posts: 1,910
    13 left to solve.

    Across. 12, 18, 20, 23, 25, 28 and 29.

    Down. 2, 7, 17, 21, 22, 24
  • Andypet
    Andypet Posts: 36
    25ac Ron Paul

    12ac Exacted
  • Roger
    Roger Posts: 20,744
    edited December 2016
    After the year's lows of Trump and Brexit be uplifted by this autistic Irish girl and her special needs backing group singing the Leonard Cohen classic Hallelujah Note the improvised table she's standing on and the way many have spilt their lunch down their sweaters. It gets better as the song goes on. Happy Xmas St John!


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAXw83ugrYs
  • AlsoIndigo
    AlsoIndigo Posts: 1,852
    edited December 2016
    Toms said:

    AlsoIndigo said:


    Downer.

    We only buy for kids in our (UK) family, there is something a bit odd about adults buying gifts for each other when everyone already has anything (cheap) that they want already.

    Out here in the Philippines the opposite applies, I have been handing out many little envelopes with a bit of cash in, people are more appreciative with help to make ends meet or with buying an essential than they would be with receiving something they largely dont need.

    In the Big Apple, at least, that's how proper Jewish weddings go, and for similar, logical, reasons. A mate of mine said that as the guests filed by and shook hands each handed him a plain envelope with cash. The lone exception was the gift of a chinning bar from the only goy there. Bless.
    I got married here in the Philippines, the last traditional dance before the couple retire is led off by the bride and groom, and as other people join the dance they first go to the newly weds and pin a bank note of some description into their clothing, when you get back to your room you have to spend ten minutes unpinning the money from your attire (large families mean a typical attendance can be 300+) and speculating about who thought it would be a good wheeze to pin some obscure foreign bank note!
  • stjohn
    stjohn Posts: 1,910
    Yes.

    12 ac. Bill = Ac(count). Former PM = Ex Ted. Ac in ExTed = Exacted.

    25 ac. Castro = Raul. On quietly = on p(piano). Raul kept on p = R(on p) aul.
  • PlatoSaid
    PlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    To any Julie Andrews fans - there's no better film than Thoroughly Modern Millie - 20th Century know this and scrub out YouTube clips.

    Here's a taste of her perfect voice. If you loved Mary Tyler-Moore too - it's sublime

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWBPEzNT8CE
  • stjohn
    stjohn Posts: 1,910
    Happy Xmas Roger!
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,080
    Hope everyone enjoyed tucking into their Brussels Freedom Sprouts for lunch!

    Just realised (after several years of not eating any) that I hate parsnips more :lol:
  • nunu
    nunu Posts: 6,024
    Roger said:

    After the year's lows of Trump and Brexit be uplifted by this autistic Irish girl and her special needs backing group singing the Leonard Cohen classic Hallelujah Note the improvised table she's standing on and the way many have spilt their lunch down their sweaters. It gets better as the song goes on. Happy Xmas St John!


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAXw83ugrYs

    I hate when people say Brexit is the same as Trump. That degrades Brexit and uplifts Trump to a station he doesn't deserve.
  • SquareRoot
    SquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    My stepson just showed me this.. its just GENIUS

    http://9gag.com/tv/p/a66myE/asleep-for-343-days-2016-recap?ref=tcl
  • foxinsoxuk
    foxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Greetings all. Sad news about the crash this morning wiping out the Alexandrov Ensemble, formerly known as the Red Army Chorus. It was a bizarre Christmas tradition in our family to play their "Songs from the Great Patriotic War" while opening our presents.

    https://youtu.be/td03P729oGg

  • PlatoSaid
    PlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    edited December 2016
    How very sad on their way as troop morale for Christmas

    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/93-feared-dead-as-russian-military-plane-crashes-into-black-sea-zf7z3wnxv

  • nunu
    nunu Posts: 6,024
    Alistar, don't read this.....



    Sounds about right: "How Clinton lost Michigan — and blew the election" http://politi.co/2hrMnb9
  • Alistair
    Alistair Posts: 23,670
    edited December 2016
    nunu said:

    Alistar, don't read this.....



    Sounds about right: "How Clinton lost Michigan — and blew the election" http://politi.co/2hrMnb9

    Yup, completely matches what I've read previously, a campaign staff that were playing 12 dimensional chess and ignoring everything their much vaunted data operation was telling them.

    I think this means the era of big data/ micro targeting is not at and end but the jobs of the Clinton campaign staff in Dem politics is done.
  • williamglenn
    williamglenn Posts: 56,291
    Fake news from the Telegraph:

    https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/813070441719926784
  • Bromptonaut
    Bromptonaut Posts: 1,113
    williamglenn said:

    Fake news from the Telegraph:

    https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/813070441719926784

    Or more accurately - a lie.
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,080
    Bromptonaut said:

    williamglenn said:

    Fake news from the Telegraph:

    https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/813070441719926784

    Or more accurately - a lie.
    Hope you enjoyed your Freedom Sprouts :)
  • stjohn
    stjohn Posts: 1,910
    11 left to solve.

    Across. 18, 20, 23, 28 and 29.

    Down. 2, 7, 17, 21, 22, 24
  • Theuniondivvie
    Theuniondivvie Posts: 44,327
    stjohn said:

    11 left to solve.

    Across. 18, 20, 23, 28 and 29.

    Down. 2, 7, 17, 21, 22, 24

    20 - Tasso
  • Bromptonaut
    Bromptonaut Posts: 1,113
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Bromptonaut said:

    williamglenn said:

    Fake news from the Telegraph:

    https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/813070441719926784

    Or more accurately - a lie.
    Hope you enjoyed your Freedom Sprouts :)
    I did indeed. Or as we call them in the UK - sprouts.
  • stjohn
    stjohn Posts: 1,910
    edited December 2016
    Yes. News Agency = Tass (Russian News Agency). Nothing = O. Tass + O = Tasso. Tasso was an Italian poet.
  • Ishmael_Z
    Ishmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    28 millwork.

    I thought you were the compiler?
  • stjohn
    stjohn Posts: 1,910
    Yes. On Liberty is a work by John Stuart Mill and millwork is building material.

    Yes. I am the compiler.
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,080
    Bromptonaut said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Bromptonaut said:

    williamglenn said:

    Fake news from the Telegraph:

    https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/813070441719926784

    Or more accurately - a lie.
    Hope you enjoyed your Freedom Sprouts :)
    I did indeed. Or as we call them in the UK - sprouts.
    Freedom Sprouts since 23rd June :lol:
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,080
    stjohn said:

    Yes. On Liberty is a work by John Stuart Mill and millwork is building material.

    Yes. I am the compiler.

    Merry Christmas, Stjohn. Can't you do a "Quick" version like wot they do in the Guardian, etc.?
  • stjohn
    stjohn Posts: 1,910
    Merry Xmas. Sunil!

    Maybe next year?
  • Ishmael_Z
    Ishmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    OK I am confused. you don't list 16D frinstance as unsolved, but I can't see it answered in the comments. Are people emailing the answers?
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    Successful dinner, the capon went down very well. Would highly recommend it to anyone looking for poultry!
  • stjohn
    stjohn Posts: 1,910
    Ishmael_Z. My mistake. 16d is unsolved. No one is emailing the answers.
  • Andypet
    Andypet Posts: 36
    2d Eustace

  • Ishmael_Z
    Ishmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    18 Entrance. Very clever.
  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    Harold MacMillan

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GVUX8TlrZKs
  • Andypet
    Andypet Posts: 36
    23a Entente
  • Ishmael_Z
    Ishmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    24 Nohow
  • Ishmael_Z
    Ishmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    23 entente
  • Ishmael_Z
    Ishmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    22 pelham
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,080
    stjohn said:

    Merry Xmas. Sunil!

    Maybe next year?

    Look forward to it, thanks!
  • Ishmael_Z
    Ishmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    21 shadows
  • Ishmael_Z
    Ishmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    16 acton bell
  • Ishmael_Z
    Ishmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    29 closes
  • Ishmael_Z
    Ishmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    7 Academe
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    St Hildas putting Magdalene to the sword here
  • Ishmael_Z
    Ishmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    17 colludes or collides?
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,080
    Blackadder Christmas Carol :)
  • AnneJGP
    AnneJGP Posts: 3,743
    Good evening everybody, and a happy Christmas to you.
  • stjohn
    stjohn Posts: 1,910
    edited December 2016
    2d. Yes. Brexiteers want to leave this = EU. Way = St (street) Expert = Ace. Eustace was a Lord Chancellor.

    18 ac. Across the channel = En France. Time = t. Loud = F(forte).
    En (f)rance where there's t for f = Entrance. Transport = entrance.

    23 ac. Top marks repeatedly = Ten Ten Ten. T(en Ten Te)n conceals Entente = Understanding.

    22d. Help out = Pelh. Mate when first = m. Pelh a m = Pelham.

    21d. Double definition.

    16 d. MPs "act on bell" when they divide into the division lobbies and vote on the division bell. Acton Bell was the name Anne Bronte used.

    29 ac. Not closes.

    7d. Jack Cade was a rebel against Henry VI. ME = the state of Maine.
    A rebel state = a cade me.

    17d. Not colludes or collides.

  • stjohn
    stjohn Posts: 1,910
    24d. Yes.

    On reflection = no. An incomplete politician = How(e). No+How = Nohow.
  • stjohn
    stjohn Posts: 1,910
    I think there's just two left.

    29 across and 17 down.

  • SandraM
    SandraM Posts: 206
    Is 29 Across Elysee?
  • SandraM
    SandraM Posts: 206
    17 down Coolidge?
  • stjohn
    stjohn Posts: 1,910
    edited December 2016
    Yes!

    29ac. Bishops oversee bishoprics such as Ely or more generally a See. The Palace is the Palace of Elysee.

    17d. Church = CE, (Church of England). One notes = 1 DG, (musical notes). John = LOO. Backing John = OOL. CE Holds together IDG after OOL = C(OOL IDG)E.
  • surbiton
    surbiton Posts: 13,549
    Christmas night into Boxing Day is about watching cricket. No trip to work for days to come though I will have to work at home over the holidays.

    Plus helluva football tomorrow and during the week.
  • stjohn
    stjohn Posts: 1,910
    edited December 2016
    We're done!

    Thanks to everyone who helped solved the crossword . Thanks to Mike and Robert for indulging me in allowing me to set it again and for publishing it. Thanks also to all those PBers who don't do crosswords for your patience.

    I was pleased to make SeanT the majority part of a nauseant!

    That's all folks!
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,080
    Just to clarify, I do do crosswords, just the "easy" clue type :)
  • Roger
    Roger Posts: 20,744
    Well done Stjohn. Excellent crossword. I've been following at my own pace and got about 10%!
  • AnneJGP
    AnneJGP Posts: 3,743
    stjohn said:

    We're done!

    Thanks to everyone who helped solved the crossword . Thanks to Mike and Robert for indulging me in allowing me to set it again and for publishing it. Thanks also to all those PBers who don't do crosswords for your patience.

    I was pleased to make SeanT the majority part of a nauseant!

    That's all folks!

    Not so much 'don't do' crosswords as 'can't do' crosswords. The bit I find fascinating is your explanation. :smile:
  • SandyRentool
    SandyRentool Posts: 23,156
    Well we had our walk and managed to stay dry, but I still had to peel the sprouts when we got back.

    A couple of glasses of rhubarb gin (must be a Yorkshire thing!) left me feeling slightly merry.

    Now it is time to relax and look forward to a week off work - I always think of this week as a dress rehearsal for retirement.
  • AnneJGP
    AnneJGP Posts: 3,743
    SandyRentool said:

    Well we had our walk and managed to stay dry, but I still had to peel the sprouts when we got back.

    A couple of glasses of rhubarb gin (must be a Yorkshire thing!) left me feeling slightly merry.

    Now it is time to relax and look forward to a week off work - I always think of this week as a dress rehearsal for retirement.

    You remind me I haven't yet had my Christmas glass of Tio Pepe. Perhaps a little late now, I may leave it until tomorrow.
  • SandyRentool
    SandyRentool Posts: 23,156
    Video has emerged showing a flash in the sky over Sochi. If authentic could indicate an explosion on the Tupolev.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,609
    SandyRentool said:

    Video has emerged showing a flash in the sky over Sochi. If authentic could indicate an explosion on the Tupolev.

    And it was heading to Syria. What was Garak's line on coincidences again?
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    edited December 2016
    Well, paging all those who said Trump would be good for the UK and our post Brexit future.

    https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/813126095214170112
  • SandyRentool
    SandyRentool Posts: 23,156
    Flash in sky:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VE2BRieTgr8


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=k-K52HANHZE

  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,609
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Well, paging all those who said Trump would be good for the UK and our post Brexit future.

    twitter.com/thetimes/status/813126095214170112

    They'd be stupid not to try to entice businesses away.
  • Charles
    Charles Posts: 35,758
    RobD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Well, paging all those who said Trump would be good for the UK and our post Brexit future.

    twitter.com/thetimes/status/813126095214170112

    They'd be stupid not to try to entice businesses away.
    The Times seems to be trying pretty hard.
  • MikeSmithson
    MikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    Coming up overnight the Cyclefree awards for 2016. Based on NO polling, focus groups or other quasi-scientific methods.
  • Y0kel
    Y0kel Posts: 2,307
    Curiously no further flame from the crashed Russian MOD plane after the reported flash.

    Leaves only two options if the eyewitness reports are correct.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    edited December 2016
    MikeSmithson said:

    Coming up overnight the Cyclefree awards for 2016. Based on NO polling, focus groups or other quasi-scientific methods.

    It's a very good piece. She even talks about [redacted to avoid spoiling it for PBers]
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,609
    edited December 2016
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    Coming up overnight the Cyclefree awards for 2016. Based on NO polling, focus groups or other quasi-scientific methods.

    It's a very good piece. She even talks about [redacted to avoid spoiling it for PBers]
    It's AV, isn't it? :D
  • Charles
    Charles Posts: 35,758
    Y0kel said:

    Curiously no further flame from the crashed Russian MOD plane after the reported flash.

    Leaves only two options if the eyewitness reports are correct.

    SAM?
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    RobD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    Coming up overnight the Cyclefree awards for 2016. Based on NO polling, focus groups or other quasi-scientific methods.

    It's a very good piece. It even talks about [redacted to avoid spoiling it for PBers]
    It's AV, isn't it? :D
    No. Even better than AV.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,609
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    RobD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    Coming up overnight the Cyclefree awards for 2016. Based on NO polling, focus groups or other quasi-scientific methods.

    It's a very good piece. It even talks about [redacted to avoid spoiling it for PBers]
    It's AV, isn't it? :D
    No. Even better than AV.
    :o How is such a thing possible?
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,080
    edited December 2016
    Referendum 2011:

    No 2 AV 68%
    Yes 2 AV 32%

    :innocent:
  • rcs1000
    rcs1000 Posts: 60,717
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Well, paging all those who said Trump would be good for the UK and our post Brexit future.

    https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/813126095214170112

    Countries have interests, not friends.
  • rcs1000
    rcs1000 Posts: 60,717
    TV lovers: I'm loving Shut Eye
  • Ishmael_Z
    Ishmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    stjohn said:

    We're done!

    Thanks to everyone who helped solved the crossword . Thanks to Mike and Robert for indulging me in allowing me to set it again and for publishing it. Thanks also to all those PBers who don't do crosswords for your patience.

    I was pleased to make SeanT the majority part of a nauseant!

    That's all folks!

    Thank you, enjoyed that.
  • Y0kel
    Y0kel Posts: 2,307
    edited December 2016
    Not impossible Charles.

    A SAM attack, however, particularly a man portable on that particular aircraft as a deliberate target would be pretty impressive though it isn't clear what the altitude was. I'd guess too, it would have some kind of warning device given the fact it was flying into a conflict area. You got the impression from the reports this thing just broke up mid air. To clean take it out in a second with a small SAM, i.e. have no follow up reaction such as pilot communication and no signs of descent would be pretty lucky unless it hit something very sensitive indeed.

    Pilot error would be immensely unlucky too unless they are still letting drunk guys with oversized peaked caps fly these days and he was doing a loop the loop. .

    The flash might suggest technical engine fault and bear in mind where all the engines are on that thing or onboard ordnance explosion.

    It would be interesting to see if there was any signs of a descent. Certainly the Russians report no comms suggesting an issue.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806

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