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Good afternoon, everyone.
Surprised Browne has been replaced by Baker. Has Burnham been left in place?
Reminder for F1 fans that early discussion for Japan is up here: http://enormo-haddock.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/japan-early-discussion.html0 -
Tim's right that Labour has a huge lead on health, and Maybe Ed's right that Burnham should stay.
He better hope there are no more revelations though. He owns Burnham now0 -
The lead has been built because of Gove and in spite of Twigg. In many ways Gove should be the archetypal successful modern politician. He used to be a journalist, knows how to get good headlines and has worked on TV. Unfortunately however many friends in high places you have, it doesn't seem to always count for that much with the voters.taffys said:Have you seen the Labour lead on education among swing voters that Gove has built?
Why was twigg replaced on such an important brief then????
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No Patrick, it depends if they are Labour MPs or not. You can have names like Tristam and Quentin but not be a fop because you are in Labour and whichever of the many public schools you attended you can still make the front bench like Harriet. If you write for the Guradian you are also allowed to claim you hate privilege however privileged your background and more particularly however much you're doing for your own kids to get them into good schools and jobs. It's very easy one rule for Labour and another for everybody else.Patrick said:Quick question for the PB commentariat: Is everyone who went to public school a fop?
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tim you seem to conflate polling success with ministerial success - as if the object of politics and government was to be popular....explains alot....tim said:
PB Tory anecdote vs polling as ever.Alanbrooke said:
Andy Burnham a man so stupid he's for ever learning the same lessons over and over. Ed chickens out of sacking pillock, that's all we need to know.tim said:
I think you'll find that Labour has built a 32% lead on health in the marginals.Alanbrooke said:
I think you'll find that's Ed being strong.TGOHF said:Burnham keeps his job - lol.
A parody of itself.
Target Seats
Labour lead on health 32%
Labour lead on education 14%
Yet the PB Tories think Gove is wonderful and Burnham is awful.
But the PB tories get every call wrong , and every election wrong.
(p.s. also grateful for your take on my 'fop' question just now)0 -
The lead has been built because of Gove and in spite of Twigg.
If that's the case Gove should be going and Twigg should be staying....
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Desperado tim.tim said:
PB Tory anecdote vs polling as ever.Alanbrooke said:
Andy Burnham a man so stupid he's for ever learning the same lessons over and over. Ed chickens out of sacking pillock, that's all we need to know.tim said:
I think you'll find that Labour has built a 32% lead on health in the marginals.Alanbrooke said:
I think you'll find that's Ed being strong.TGOHF said:Burnham keeps his job - lol.
A parody of itself.
Target Seats
Labour lead on health 32%
Labour lead on education 14%
Yet the PB Tories think Gove is wonderful and Burnham is awful.
But the PB tories get every call wrong , and every election wrong.
tell you what, when the dust settles we can have a game of spot the Blairite. We may put you on the endangered species list.0 -
@Alanbrooke
ROFLMAO, yes Avery and historically we have performed better than East Germany too. There was a time when Conservatives use to set their sights a bit higher than Brown the man who bankrupted the UK economy. Have we surpassed his all time high of GDP yet or are we still faliling around after 3 years of Osborne. Read your own post again and weep in shame Mr Pole.
Glad to keep you amused, Mr Brooke.
Osborne has already grown the economy in 12 quarters by the same amount Brown and Darling managed in 20 quarters between 2005 and 2010.
Growth remains 3.3% below its pre-crisis peak - Brown's recession saw a 7.3% contraction - but should it pass the 2007 high mark (in both nominal and real terms) by the end pf the first half of 2014.
As to international competition, I would be interested to hear from you which if the G7 countries you expect to surpass the UK's growth in 2013?
On current growth trends, the UK is set to overtake France as the EU's second largest economy during 2014.
What more could you expect, Mr. Brooke?0 -
@IainDale
Dear @GrantShapps, please tell me that you didn't actually say on Sky "This is a reshuffle for hardworking people". Love Iain
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Vernon Coaker new defence sec.0
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Hah...looks as if Gavin Barwell might be getting a job. Smart move. Even better if Kris Hopkins does too.0
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Who? Gavin or Kris?0
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Jeremy Hunt's worth about £5 million more than you tim.tim said:Patrick said:Quick question for the PB commentariat: Is everyone who went to public school a fop?
Dominic Grieve went to public school and is excellent.
Jeremy Hunt is a useless product of public school who was promoted solely for being a chum of Dave.
Clear difference in ability.
See Oliver Letwin for further reading.
Remind us again who's the stupid one.
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David Heath, the beardied one, also been fired. Clegg is having a seriously bad hair day.0
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Miss Plato, I told you that Mascara Man does not run!0
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I think Tristram's learned a lot in stoke.
I'm not his biggest supporter, but he's the right person for the shadow education job.0 -
And clearly getting rid of Mascara Man is a tricky as removing waterproof mascara which is a total bugger.Morris_Dancer said:Miss Plato, I told you that Mascara Man does not run!
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tim seems to be advocating some sort of government decision with the only input being popularity.
They tried that in Greece.0 -
chortle, you've tried this silly wheeze before Avery as if 2013 in isolation is some kind of significant year. ( bar the one where Osborne has an outside chance of looking average )AveryLP said:@Alanbrooke
ROFLMAO, yes Avery and historically we have performed better than East Germany too. There was a time when Conservatives use to set their sights a bit higher than Brown the man who bankrupted the UK economy. Have we surpassed his all time high of GDP yet or are we still faliling around after 3 years of Osborne. Read your own post again and weep in shame Mr Pole.
Glad to keep you amused, Mr Brooke.
Osborne has already grown the economy in 12 quarters by the same amount Brown and Darling managed in 20 quarters between 2005 and 2010.
Growth remains 3.3% below its pre-crisis peak - Brown's recession saw a 7.3% contraction - but should it pass the 2007 high mark (in both nominal and real terms) by the end pf the first half of 2014.
As to international competition, I would be interested to hear from you which if the G7 countries you expect to surpass the UK's growth in 2013?
On current growth trends, the UK is set to overtake France as the EU's second largest economy during 2014.
What more could you expect, Mr. Brooke?
let's reset it to the beginning of the financial crisis, or adjust the figures to reflect the flattering effects of any government which might be borrowing excessively.
As for what more could we expect, how about someone who knows something about the real economy rather than socialist borrowing tricks ?
Red George and his mouthpiece Pole Pot.
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Fine with me, for reasons discreetly discussed on the last thread when SeanT asked me. fitalass has reproved me already for answering him, and I wouldn't want to annoy her unduly, so I will restrict myself to smiling amiably.Easterross said:If its true Anna Soubry is moving to defence, where goes NPXMP? A higher profile for La Soubry will suit we PB Tories but not the "Tories for NPXMP"
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I think Tristram Hunt will be formidable against Gove - errrr...Pong said:I think Tristram's learned a lot in stoke.
I'm not his biggest supporter, but he's the right person for the shadow education job.
Daniel Furr @DanielFurrUK
We need to start charging for museums and galleries again | Tristram Hunt gu.com/p/2ngjq/tw via @guardian
RT @Adrian_Hilton: .@TristramHuntMP (2012): "I would be in favour of stripping down the timetable - including Citizenship.."
.@TristramHuntMP (2012): "I would much rather have students know something of the English Civil War than the American civil rights movement'
Adrian Hilton @Adrian_Hilton
"By any standards, the Education Secretary is good news for history" (@TristramHuntMP in @spectator April 2012)
Adrian Hilton @Adrian_Hilton
"(Gove's) English Baccalaureate is already producing a marked upturn" (@TristramHuntMP in @spectator April 2012)0 -
Jane Ellison promoted to Health replacing Anna. Another solid appointment from the 2010 intake....no sign (yet) of Clare Perry.
It's a real shame that Sarah Wollaston has pretty well self-destructed by being an omni-dissident rent-a-quote on the backbenches. I'm sure her principled opposition to many of the NHS reforms would have been (rightly) overlooked and she'd be a Minister in this reshuffle, had she not gone haywire and OTT across the range.0 -
And he took it?
Tim Gatt @TimGattITV
Ouch RT @jonwalker121: . @LiamByrneMP demoted to Shadow Higher Education Minister - apparently replacing @ShabanaMahmood0 -
He'll hit the same problem as Twigg, it doesn't matter what he thinks he'll have to shift his views to conform with the Labour educational establishment.Plato said:
I think Tristram Hunt will be formidable against Gove - errrr...Pong said:I think Tristram's learned a lot in stoke.
I'm not his biggest supporter, but he's the right person for the shadow education job.
Daniel Furr @DanielFurrUK
We need to start charging for museums and galleries again | Tristram Hunt gu.com/p/2ngjq/tw via @guardian
RT @Adrian_Hilton: .@TristramHuntMP (2012): "I would be in favour of stripping down the timetable - including Citizenship.."
.@TristramHuntMP (2012): "I would much rather have students know something of the English Civil War than the American civil rights movement'
Adrian Hilton @Adrian_Hilton
"By any standards, the Education Secretary is good news for history" (@TristramHuntMP in @spectator April 2012)
Adrian Hilton @Adrian_Hilton
"(Gove's) English Baccalaureate is already producing a marked upturn" (@TristramHuntMP in @spectator April 2012)0 -
Labour History Group @LabourHistory
Anna Soubry is only the 3rd woman ever to be a minister at the Ministry of Defence, & first ever woman MP to be a minister there #reshuffle0 -
Precisely - the name has changed but the problem remains the same - its very hard to oppose what you genuinely believe in. Twigg and Hunt and Gove are all on the same chapter if not the same page.Alanbrooke said:
He'll hit the same problem as Twigg, it doesn't matter what he thinks he'll have to shift his views to conform with the Labour educational establishment.Plato said:
I think Tristram Hunt will be formidable against Gove - errrr...Pong said:I think Tristram's learned a lot in stoke.
I'm not his biggest supporter, but he's the right person for the shadow education job.
Daniel Furr @DanielFurrUK
We need to start charging for museums and galleries again | Tristram Hunt gu.com/p/2ngjq/tw via @guardian
RT @Adrian_Hilton: .@TristramHuntMP (2012): "I would be in favour of stripping down the timetable - including Citizenship.."
.@TristramHuntMP (2012): "I would much rather have students know something of the English Civil War than the American civil rights movement'
Adrian Hilton @Adrian_Hilton
"By any standards, the Education Secretary is good news for history" (@TristramHuntMP in @spectator April 2012)
Adrian Hilton @Adrian_Hilton
"(Gove's) English Baccalaureate is already producing a marked upturn" (@TristramHuntMP in @spectator April 2012)0 -
FPT
So we have Liam Byrne who supported Universal Credit and Stephen Twigg who seemed largely to support free schools (at least in his own constituency) both sacked. We have Andy Burnham having once again made enough of a fuss at reshuffling time to make it difficult to get rid of him. And we have the competent Jim Murphy sidelined (surprised he took the job to be honest).
I think the one nation stuff was always a little fanciful. What we are now going to see is a much more direct attack from the left and consensus be damned. The Blairites are dead and the Brownites have finally won, after both the principals have left the stage.
I wonder what David M will think about this.0 -
popcorn time at newsnight.
Rachel Reeves becomes shadow work and pensions secretary, replacing Liam Byrne, who becomes shadow education minister.0 -
Wonderful, silver star to you. Gold one coming up if you don't fire off needlessly.tim said:
I ignored the one directed at me the other night, bloody weird though it was.corporeal said:
Tim, just don't alright.tim said:
Increasingly odd overnight posts from the queen of victimhood.NickPalmer said:
Fine with me, for reasons discreetly discussed on the last thread when SeanT asked me. fitalass has reproved me already for answering him, and I wouldn't want to annoy her unduly, so I will restrict myself to smiling amiably.Easterross said:If its true Anna Soubry is moving to defence, where goes NPXMP? A higher profile for La Soubry will suit we PB Tories but not the "Tories for NPXMP"
I think she's got the homeopathic medicine and the vodka mixed up.0 -
Of the major EU economies, only Germany and the UK managed to avoid a double dip recession although both came very close (being saved by a 0.0% growth quarter).Alanbrooke said:
chortle, you've tried this silly wheeze before Avery as if 2013 in isolation is some kind of significant year. ( bar the one where Osborne has an outside chance of looking average )AveryLP said:@Alanbrooke
ROFLMAO, yes Avery and historically we have performed better than East Germany too. There was a time when Conservatives use to set their sights a bit higher than Brown the man who bankrupted the UK economy. Have we surpassed his all time high of GDP yet or are we still faliling around after 3 years of Osborne. Read your own post again and weep in shame Mr Pole.
Glad to keep you amused, Mr Brooke.
Osborne has already grown the economy in 12 quarters by the same amount Brown and Darling managed in 20 quarters between 2005 and 2010.
Growth remains 3.3% below its pre-crisis peak - Brown's recession saw a 7.3% contraction - but should it pass the 2007 high mark (in both nominal and real terms) by the end pf the first half of 2014.
As to international competition, I would be interested to hear from you which if the G7 countries you expect to surpass the UK's growth in 2013?
On current growth trends, the UK is set to overtake France as the EU's second largest economy during 2014.
What more could you expect, Mr. Brooke?
let's reset it to the beginning of the financial crisis, or adjust the figures to reflect the flattering effects of any government which might be borrowing excessively.
As for what more could we expect, how about someone who knows something about the real economy rather than socialist borrowing tricks ?
Red George and his mouthpiece Pole Pot.
Germany had stronger growth in 2010-11 but this has reversed from mid 2012 onwards.
Osborne has achieved fiscal consolidation at a rate of 1% of GDP per year in each of his first three years and is on target to finish his first term by maintaining this rate through to 2015. This compares favourably with all the larger EU countries, many of which have had to defer meeting fiscal consolidation targets in order to stimulate growth.
Within the OECD only Japan's current growth can be characterised as stimulated by excessive borrowing.
Pole position, Mr Brooke, not Pole Pot.
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Nice to see NP's mate Vernon Coaker still going strong.
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No principals, as well as no principles.DavidL said:
I think the one nation stuff was always a little fanciful. What we are now going to see is a much more direct attack from the left and consensus be damned. The Blairites are dead and the Brownites have finally won, after both the principals have left the stage.
How's that for a soundbite?0 -
From some threads back: MD "Utterly OT, but I find it interesting: 'food addiction' being used as an excuse"
'Addiction' is almost by definition an excuse. I'm not sure where one would stand with a 'home addiction' as a reason for not going into work for example.
Back on topic: I can't see Osborne trying to usurp Cameron. So the chance of him being the next leader must mainly be about Cameron standing down for some reason. Any dispute forcing him out would probably exclude GO. The next Tory leader may still be at school.
The point about names like Tristam and Quentin is surely that they point to madness in the family.
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BBC
Stephen Twigg given important role as shadow minister for political and constitutional reform.0 -
It will be interesting to see what happens. I think he might just be quite radical - including accepting some of Gove's reforms.Alanbrooke said:
He'll hit the same problem as Twigg, it doesn't matter what he thinks he'll have to shift his views to conform with the Labour educational establishment.Plato said:
I think Tristram Hunt will be formidable against Gove - errrr...Pong said:I think Tristram's learned a lot in stoke.
I'm not his biggest supporter, but he's the right person for the shadow education job.
Daniel Furr @DanielFurrUK
We need to start charging for museums and galleries again | Tristram Hunt gu.com/p/2ngjq/tw via @guardian
RT @Adrian_Hilton: .@TristramHuntMP (2012): "I would be in favour of stripping down the timetable - including Citizenship.."
.@TristramHuntMP (2012): "I would much rather have students know something of the English Civil War than the American civil rights movement'
Adrian Hilton @Adrian_Hilton
"By any standards, the Education Secretary is good news for history" (@TristramHuntMP in @spectator April 2012)
Adrian Hilton @Adrian_Hilton
"(Gove's) English Baccalaureate is already producing a marked upturn" (@TristramHuntMP in @spectator April 2012)0 -
And personally for me very welcome. Are there any further points at which the project can be stopped by a majority of MPs or has all necessary legislation already been completed?tim said:Tim Shipman (Mail) @ShippersUnbound 2m
M.Eagle - Creagh job swap clears the way for Labour to ditch HS2
Besides Osbornes ever tightening ligature around the throat of the Tory Party, that's the biggest news.
Edit - By personally I mean because I am opposed to it, not because it in any way affects me directly. I just think it is a waste of money.0 -
BBC
Jeremy Hunt backtracking on Burnham allegations.0 -
While any signs of progress from tim are welcome I think you're in danger of devaluing the "silver star" for primary school pupils all over the country.corporeal said:
Wonderful, silver star to you. Gold one coming up if you don't fire off needlessly.tim said:
I ignored the one directed at me the other night, bloody weird though it was.corporeal said:
Tim, just don't alright.tim said:
Increasingly odd overnight posts from the queen of victimhood.NickPalmer said:
Fine with me, for reasons discreetly discussed on the last thread when SeanT asked me. fitalass has reproved me already for answering him, and I wouldn't want to annoy her unduly, so I will restrict myself to smiling amiably.Easterross said:If its true Anna Soubry is moving to defence, where goes NPXMP? A higher profile for La Soubry will suit we PB Tories but not the "Tories for NPXMP"
I think she's got the homeopathic medicine and the vodka mixed up.0 -
Has Dr Hunt had a CRB check?Plato said:
Is that Tristram I Think Unqualified Teachers Are A Disgrace But I Did It Hunt?TGOHF said:Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn 4m
Shadow Education Sec is defo @TristramHuntMP, apparently...
Oh....
"A Labour education spokesman who has condemned government plans to allow more unqualified teachers into the classroom has boasted of taking lessons himself.
Former TV historian Tristram Hunt revealed he ‘teaches in schools’ including delivering a lesson on the Spanish Armada to primary-age pupils.
But he faced charges of hypocrisy because the Labour party policy is for only qualified teachers to be allowed into the classroom.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2343918/Labour-frontbencher-opposed-unqualified-teachers-boasts-taking-lessons-TV-historian.html#ixzz2h31es7MC0 -
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Pole dancing and not a single note stuck in your thong.AveryLP said:
Of the major EU economies, only Germany and the UK managed to avoid a double dip recession although both came very close (being saved by a 0.0% growth quarter).Alanbrooke said:
chortle, you've tried this silly wheeze before Avery as if 2013 in isolation is some kind of significant year. ( bar the one where Osborne has an outside chance of looking average )AveryLP said:@Alanbrooke
ROFLMAO, yes Avery in shame Mr Pole.
Glad to keep you amused, Mr Brooke.
What more could you expect, Mr. Brooke?
let's reset it to the beginning of the financial crisis, or adjust the figures to reflect the flattering effects of any government which might be borrowing excessively.
As for what more could we expect, how about someone who knows something about the real economy rather than socialist borrowing tricks ?
Red George and his mouthpiece Pole Pot.
Germany had stronger growth in 2010-11 but this has reversed from mid 2012 onwards.
Osborne has achieved fiscal consolidation at a rate of 1% of GDP per year in each of his first three years and is on target to finish his first term by maintaining this rate through to 2015. This compares favourably with all the larger EU countries, many of which have had to defer meeting fiscal consolidation targets in order to stimulate growth.
Within the OECD only Japan's current growth can be characterised as stimulated by excessive borrowing.
Pole position, Mr Brooke, not Pole Pot.
Osborne remains a chancellor who can only conceive of growth by borrowing. George Balls \ Ed Osborne what's the difference ? Osborne had his chance to do something worthwhile in 2011 and fluffed it. He has passed on the opportunity to enact serious reforms of the UK economy and it is now too late in the electoral cycle to do so in the Parliament. Five wasted years. Good chancellors get remembered for taking risks and reshaping the economic climate, bean counters like Osborne get a footnote in history. It's a tragedy Cameron hasn't moved him to another post and replaced him with someone of talent.0 -
He's a university lecturer. The Daily Mail thinks that makes him an unqualified teacher.dr_spyn said:
Has Dr Hunt had a CRB check?Plato said:
Is that Tristram I Think Unqualified Teachers Are A Disgrace But I Did It Hunt?TGOHF said:Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn 4m
Shadow Education Sec is defo @TristramHuntMP, apparently...
Oh....
"A Labour education spokesman who has condemned government plans to allow more unqualified teachers into the classroom has boasted of taking lessons himself.
Former TV historian Tristram Hunt revealed he ‘teaches in schools’ including delivering a lesson on the Spanish Armada to primary-age pupils.
But he faced charges of hypocrisy because the Labour party policy is for only qualified teachers to be allowed into the classroom.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2343918/Labour-frontbencher-opposed-unqualified-teachers-boasts-taking-lessons-TV-historian.html#ixzz2h31es7MC
More for the idiots to chew on;
http://www.penguin.co.uk/nf/Book/BookDisplay/0,,9780141021409,00.html0 -
Hear, hear, hear....
Kris Hopkins has been appointed as Parliamentary Under Secretary at Communities and Local Govt. Will he have the housing portfolio?
See, Dave, listens to the Noble Order of Hershamites.
Gavin next?0 -
F1: Brawn will decide later this season whether he stays on with Mercedes:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/24432814
They'd be bonkers to get rid of him. With Schumacher and Button he's been involved in 8 title wins.
Mr. Omnium, in Japan a small number (mostly men) of people have what could be termed a home addiction, or extreme agoraphobia. They don't leave the houses for years, even decades, and some confine themselves to a single room.
I agree with you on the terminology. The term 'addict' takes away responsibility from the individual and medicalises habitual behaviour. There's a significant risk (not just here) of over-using psychology to give every flaw, habit, or eccentric behaviour its own little medical condition.
And Tarquin is worse still.0 -
"He's a university lecturer. The Daily Mail thinks that makes him an unqualified teacher."
And in a nutshell that is the problem that Gove was trying to address. I don't think anybody questions that Hunt could comfortably teach a GCSE or A-Level history class, but unless he has done the hoop jumping according to opposition somebody like him isn't "qualified".
There are lots of people out there with post-graduate qualifications in specialist subjects that are desperate for teachers, but in the recent past wouldn't have been allowed to teach in a secondary school without first undertaking a PGCE (or similar teaching qualification).
There are currently no equivalent teaching qualifications required for university lecturers, if the university thinks you are qualified you can teach.
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Greetings from the Blue Lagoon in Iceland. It's steamy.
It's another disaster for Labour, I see.
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Not that I want to get involved in this spat, but there is a big difference between a teacher and a lecturer. That is why you typically get formal training for the former in the shape of a PGCE.Pong said:
He's a university lecturer. The Daily Mail thinks that makes him an unqualified teacher.
More for the idiots to chew on;
http://www.penguin.co.uk/nf/Book/BookDisplay/0,,9780141021409,00.html0 -
@Pong It might be a surprise if Uni lecturers are exempt from CRB checks when they work with young children. The schools can very be rigid over this.
Chukka banging on about discounted Royal Mail Shares - could have had more for it etc. Heard that one before 30 years ago about most other privatisation shares.0 -
Obviously something has gone very wrong with your anticipated elevation to the Lords. Have pictures of your detour to Bournemouth emerged on the internet or in the French gutter press? Luckily the Irish Senate has much lower standards and Enda Kenny will have no problems appointing you to that body.JohnO said:
See, Dave, listens to the Noble Order of Hershamites.0 -
I agree with his
@garypepworth 54s
Surprised to see Hilary Benn remains in post, most Labour members I speak to are astonished to discover he shadows Pickles.0 -
"caved in"tim said:
And Hunt has caved in over lying about Burnham.SouthamObserver said:Greetings from the Blue Lagoon in Iceland. It's steamy.
It's another disaster for Labour, I see.
Time for the PB Tory motto?
Interesting interpretation of that letter.
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The opposition and half the Lords would fit in Pickle's shadow.old_labour said:I agree with his
@garypepworth 54s
Surprised to see Hilary Benn remains in post, most Labour members I speak to are astonished to discover he shadows Pickles.0 -
Ah, an Oxford PPEist turned EU lobbyist. I wish her well....and her "strengthened" team. I am not yet in awe. Kris Hopkins has a much more interesting life-story.tim said:
Emma Reynolds heads up a strengthened Housing brief, Jack Dromey sacked.JohnO said:Hear, hear, hear....
Kris Hopkins has been appointed as Parliamentary Under Secretary at Communities and Local Govt. Will he have the housing portfolio?
See, Dave, listens to the Noble Order of Hershamites.
Gavin next?0 -
Indeed.TGOHF said:
"caved in"tim said:
And Hunt has caved in over lying about Burnham.SouthamObserver said:Greetings from the Blue Lagoon in Iceland. It's steamy.
It's another disaster for Labour, I see.
Time for the PB Tory motto?
Interesting interpretation of that letter.
tim's judgement's likely clouded by visceral hated (again).0 -
It eludes me what purpose Hillary Benn serves in the shadow cabinet.Anorak said:
The opposition and half the Lords would fit in Pickle's shadow.old_labour said:I agree with his
@garypepworth 54s
Surprised to see Hilary Benn remains in post, most Labour members I speak to are astonished to discover he shadows Pickles.0 -
Teaching a one off class, with a qualified teacher also present, is very different to teaching a whole course on your own. PGCEs are not all about Marxist indoctrination, they teach how to control rowdy classes, deal with disruptive pupils, bring out the best in reticent and/or slower pupils, spot signs of potential problems at home and so on. University lecturers address adults who have all chosen to be there; secondary school teachers do not. One off classes from any experts enhance a pupil's learning experience, which is why what Hunt and so many others do should be encouraged. But being highly-qualified in a subject does not automatically equip you for full-time teaching.FrancisUrquhart said:"He's a university lecturer. The Daily Mail thinks that makes him an unqualified teacher."
And in a nutshell that is the problem that Gove was trying to address. I don't think anybody questions that Hunt could comfortably teach a GCSE or A-Level history class, but unless he has done the hoop jumping according to opposition somebody like him isn't "qualified".
There are lots of people out there with post-graduate qualifications in specialist subjects that are desperate for teachers, but in the recent past wouldn't have been allowed to teach in a secondary school without first undertaking a PGCE (or similar teaching qualification).
There are currently no equivalent qualifications required for university lecturers.
Weren't people on here linking last week to stories of Dulwich College teachers not being able to handle classes in state schools in Kent?
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Neil said:
Obviously something has gone very wrong with your anticipated elevation to the Lords. Have pictures of your detour to Bournemouth emerged on the internet or in the French gutter press? Luckily the Irish Senate has much lower standards and Enda Kenny will have no problems appointing you to that body.JohnO said:
See, Dave, listens to the Noble Order of Hershamites.
Yes, and you will not quickly be forgiven. But your ministrations on my behalf to Edna the Inebriated Taoiseach may count (marginally) in your favour when next our paths cross.Neil said:
Obviously something has gone very wrong with your anticipated elevation to the Lords. Have pictures of your detour to Bournemouth emerged on the internet or in the French gutter press? Luckily the Irish Senate has much lower standards and Enda Kenny will have no problems appointing you to that body.JohnO said:
See, Dave, listens to the Noble Order of Hershamites.0 -
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Question for Mods.
Why do you delete posts with twitter pictures?
Even if Vanilla is changing them, surely the picture is downloaded to the browser directly from the twitpic server, rather than the Vanilla server, and your usage is not affected.
Or am I missing something?
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Tweet from Bob Constantine @ ITV West
Apart from reshuffle, my report on Liam Fox's 3p mileage claim. I drove that route and it shd have bn 40p!!
@itvwestcountry
Smiles smugly. I thought it was a load of horse manure and said so last night. Wonder why there was a Fox hunt last night.0 -
Hunt has pared back the dispute to reveal its kernel.tim said:
And Hunt has caved in over lying about Burnham.SouthamObserver said:Greetings from the Blue Lagoon in Iceland. It's steamy.
It's another disaster for Labour, I see.
Time for the PB Tory motto?
Did the Department of Health, under a Labour government with Andy Burnham as Secretary of State bring political pressure to bear on the CQC to prevent or restrict disclosure to the media of information on failing hospitals?
It is quite clear from the emails obtained under an FOI order that the CQC felt they were being restricted by the DoH from briefing journalists.
Burnham would be very brave to pursue his libel action on the basis of the facts so far revealed.
Are you willing to bet that Andy Burnham will proceed to court with his libel action, tim?
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A free market success story?
"The UK has moved up the UN's net-connectivity table, leapfrogging Hong Kong and Japan to take eighth place....
Its 2012 report noted that a high level of competition had helped the UK rise up its scoreboard, with the country enjoying some of the world's cheapest fixed and mobile broadband rates, based on a comparison of subscription costs versus income."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24426739
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That was a fat joke, not a political commentold_labour said:It eludes me what purpose Hillary Benn serves in the shadow cabinet.
Anorak said:
The opposition and half the Lords would fit in Pickle's shadow.old_labour said:I agree with his
@garypepworth 54s
Surprised to see Hilary Benn remains in post, most Labour members I speak to are astonished to discover he shadows Pickles.
As an aside, I don't know either.
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I do not remember Benn challenging Pickles on the bins and parking stuff. Pickles makes a lot of noise about it, but he does not seem to have changed anything.tim said:old_labour said:
It eludes me what purpose Hillary Benn serves in the shadow cabinet.
Anorak said:
The opposition and half the Lords would fit in Pickle's shadow.old_labour said:I agree with his
@garypepworth 54s
Surprised to see Hilary Benn remains in post, most Labour members I speak to are astonished to discover he shadows Pickles.
Besides annoying Tory councillors and going on about bin collections what does Pickles actually do?0 -
Edna ? Are you sure you're not mixing him up with Australia's greatest superstar ?JohnO said:Neil said:
Obviously something has gone very wrong with your anticipated elevation to the Lords. Have pictures of your detour to Bournemouth emerged on the internet or in the French gutter press? Luckily the Irish Senate has much lower standards and Enda Kenny will have no problems appointing you to that body.JohnO said:
See, Dave, listens to the Noble Order of Hershamites.
Yes, and you will not quickly be forgiven. But your ministrations on my behalf to Edna the Inebriated Taoiseach may count (marginally) in your favour when next our paths cross.Neil said:
Obviously something has gone very wrong with your anticipated elevation to the Lords. Have pictures of your detour to Bournemouth emerged on the internet or in the French gutter press? Luckily the Irish Senate has much lower standards and Enda Kenny will have no problems appointing you to that body.JohnO said:
See, Dave, listens to the Noble Order of Hershamites.0 -
I don't know where you have me arguing that PGCE's are "Marxist indoctrination'....I however respectfully disagree that one HAS to have a PGCE in order to be able to be a good teacher in a secondary school or that just because somebody has a PhD they will be a great teacher.SouthamObserver said:
Teaching a one off class, with a qualified teacher also present, is very different to teaching a whole course on your own. PGCEs are not all about Marxist indoctrination, they teach how to control rowdy classes, deal with disruptive pupils, bring out the best in reticent and/or slower pupils, spot signs of potential problems at home and so on. University lecturers address adults who have all chosen to be there; secondary school teachers do not. One off classes from any experts enhance a pupil's learning experience, which is why what Hunt and so many others do should be encouraged. But being highly-qualified in a subject does not automatically equip you for full-time teaching.FrancisUrquhart said:"He's a university lecturer. The Daily Mail thinks that makes him an unqualified teacher."
And in a nutshell that is the problem that Gove was trying to address. I don't think anybody questions that Hunt could comfortably teach a GCSE or A-Level history class, but unless he has done the hoop jumping according to opposition somebody like him isn't "qualified".
There are lots of people out there with post-graduate qualifications in specialist subjects that are desperate for teachers, but in the recent past wouldn't have been allowed to teach in a secondary school without first undertaking a PGCE (or similar teaching qualification).
There are currently no equivalent qualifications required for university lecturers.
Weren't people on here linking last week to stories of Dulwich College teachers not being able to handle classes in state schools in Kent?
PGCE's have their uses, but I believe that if the school feels an individual is academically qualified (and capable) it should be up to them. I am also not arguing that they should not receive any training at all, just that not everybody needs their bit of paper (especially given the alarming number of individuals teaching subjects like maths / sciences without even a degree in that subject, let alone something like PhD).
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Hunt caves in by calling for Burnham to acknowledge and accept responsibility for the failures on his watch.
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More than a cull of Blairites, it looks to as the demotion of Jim Murphy
Twiggy and Tristam are pretty interchangable.
Dougie confirms to be a man for all seasons.
Ivan Lewis is always there in shadowing something the average voter don't pay attention to.
Byrne was always going to get the chop. He goes to Higher Education.0 -
God, it'd be hilarious if Cameron loses the next election and is replaced by George Osborne.
Are there any odds available on when the Tories will next win a majority?0 -
I agree with Old Labour. Benn has been unimpressive at Local Government. Basically non existent0
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@ Morris_Dancer - You summed up the 'addiction' thing quite nicely there. I'd perhaps add that it's an explanation rather than an excuse. If I put in a piss-poor day's work, then it may be due to my addiction to alcohol. I expect no forgiveness for my weakness in indulging that addiction, but it would be reasonable for me to expect my boss to understand why I may have been crap that day.
At this point I was going to entirely agree with you about 'Tarquin', but looking it up there does seem to be some decent precedent for the tag. I wonder what the general feeling about names like Adolphus and Algenon might be? If you like Trollope or Wilde then they surely have some affection. And then of course in a political context we have Hilary - I wonder if his name explains something about the man?
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O/T Boris is calling for tax relief on season tickets.
telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/road-and-rail-transport/10359450/Tax-relief-is-just-the-ticket-to-placate-hard-hit-commuters.html
Nice idea, can't see it happening though.0 -
I thought they had tax relief. There's no VAT on rail tickets.pinball13 said:O/T Boris is calling for tax relief on season tickets.
telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/road-and-rail-transport/10359450/Tax-relief-is-just-the-ticket-to-placate-hard-hit-commuters.html
Nice idea, can't see it happening though.0 -
Hunt seems to have called Burnham a cry baby for running to his lawyer - taking his lead from Ed ?JonathanD said:TGOHF said:Hunt caves in by calling for Burnham to acknowledge and accept responsibility for the failures on his watch.
Hunt's tweet about Burnham is still up as well, so looks like Andy will need to go to court.
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More of a 'come on then' than 'sorry'.TGOHF said:Hunt caves in by calling for Burnham to acknowledge and accept responsibility for the failures on his watch.
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@pinball13 - It's a daft idea - extra administration and regulation. A blanket government subsidy for all season tickets would achieve the same thing and have almost no cost.0
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One of the simpler minor fiddles to implement in practice - just make season ticket loans a pre-tax deduction.pinball13 said:O/T Boris is calling for tax relief on season tickets.
telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/road-and-rail-transport/10359450/Tax-relief-is-just-the-ticket-to-placate-hard-hit-commuters.html
Nice idea, can't see it happening though.0 -
Good promotion for Chris Leslie. Owen Smith could be used in something else other than Wales.0
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Off topic from the re-shuffle, One columnist I read is calling the US tea party repubs blocking the debt ceiling extension 'the new confederacy'
So its not just about borrowing a few quid more.
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The tax relief would not cover the 55% in Oyster PAYG bus fares from 90p to £1.40 since he became mayor.pinball13 said:
O/T Boris is calling for tax relief on season tickets.
telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/road-and-rail-transport/10359450/Tax-relief-is-just-the-ticket-to-placate-hard-hit-commuters.html
Nice idea, can't see it happening though.0 -
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tim may be reading too much into the changes at shadow Transport. Sunny Hundal thinks so:
"Labour says no change to stance on HS2 despite Maria Eagle moving. @marycreagh_mp (who is excellent btw) a big HS2 supporter too."0 -
You want bigger tax breaks for millionaires, tourists and recreational travellers over than hard working low income families ?Omnium said:@pinball13 - It's a daft idea - extra administration and regulation. A blanket government subsidy for all season tickets would achieve the same thing and have almost no cost.
You should read the article.
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''Cameron is just the chinless chillaxing facade of an Osborne govt. ''
If they're as useless as you say, you don;t have long to wait....0 -
Wayne David PPS for Ed Miliband
In 1999 he lost the Rhoooooooonda0 -
I was two seats away from Jeremy Hunt (or Jeremy Chum, as literally none of my fellow passengers referred to him as) on the train from London to Leeds last Thursday, seemed like a very nice young man.
I wonder what tim would have had to say to him had he been in my place. I'm guessing absolutely nothing. Still it's been a bad day for the poor lad with Blairites being purged by Mr Milliband so I musn't be too unkind.
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Off Topic
Will Royal Mail shares really go to a premium of up to 40% above the flotation price as referred to in today's Daily Telegraph:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/royal-mail/10359459/Last-minute-dash-for-Royal-Mail-shares-as-City-speculators-set-to-make-millions.html
Should you be tempted to apply, you need to hurry - the offer closes tomorrow.0 -
Spencer Livermore as General Election Director. Used to be Gordon's director of strategy until 2008. He's the partner of Sab Dance. I think Gordon allegedly made him cry0
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What with Blairites being shot all over the place, it makes me wonder why Brian May isn't doing something.Max_Edinburgh said:I was two seats away from Jeremy Hunt (or Jeremy Chum, as literally none of my fellow passengers referred to him as) on the train from London to Leeds last Thursday, seemed like a very nice young man.
I wonder what tim would have had to say to him had he been in my place. I'm guessing absolutely nothing. Still it's been a bad day for the poor lad with Blairites being purged by Mr Milliband so I musn't be too unkind.0 -
As Dave did with his PPS, you blithering delusional numpty (albeit the more you obsess about George, the more you lose to the pbToris so I shouldn't be complaining).tim said:Jesus, Osborne has put his PPS Amber Rudd and Claire Perry in the whips office.
Cameron is just the chinless chillaxing facade of an Osborne govt.
For a middle-ranking reshuffle that will be forgotten by tomorrow, I'd rate it about 7 to 8 out of ten. Sorry about Hoban and Alistair Burt, neither of whom deserved the sack, but those promoted from the 2010 intake overwhelmingly deserved their preferment.0 -
Would this just apply to people traveling into London (and maybe the other big cities)? Meanwhile, the people who live in, say, Leicester, and commute to Coventry by car are meant to subsidise them?pinball13 said:O/T Boris is calling for tax relief on season tickets.
telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/road-and-rail-transport/10359450/Tax-relief-is-just-the-ticket-to-placate-hard-hit-commuters.html
Nice idea, can't see it happening though.0
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