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That's already happened, at least if you take the continent as a whole.Sandpit said:
I imagine the US attitude to the Saudis will probably change somewhat, as soon as the former becomes self-sufficient in fuel.Patrick said:
We're merely aping the American pandering to Saudi despots. I very very strongly suspect that Trump will not bow (literally) to the king of Saudi Arabia as Obama did. I'm pretty certain that they're going to get the hairdryer treatment. And not before bloody time. And tout de suite our own attitude to middle eastern despots is likely to fall in line. Boris may have merely jumped the gun.Dromedary said:
May is only stopgap herself. I'll be very surprised if she's in office in a year's time. This is the most incompetent cabinet since the 1950s. But Johnson could fall within a day or two. There's a rule in Britain: do NOT upset the Saudi headchoppers. And if you happen to, then GROVEL. We're talking some of the world's most lucrative weapons contracts here. Whatever bollocks politicians spew to the media is secondary to that and must not conflict with it.Big_G_NorthWales said:It does make you wonder how long TM will put up with Boris
The rule applies to the foreign service, the rest of Whitehall, the BBC, the rest of the media, the judiciary.0 -
Yep. This is where he's starting with the swamp-draining, the huge cozy relationship between government and business which costs taxpayers hundreds of billions a year.Patrick said:
Indeed. And Trump is the first POTUS since forever who is completely beholden to no-one. Witness his beasting of Boeing and their fleecing of the taxpayer on Airforce One. I suspect the lobbying business is in for a few very thin years.Sandpit said:
I imagine the US attitude to the Saudis will probably change somewhat, as soon as the former becomes self-sufficient in fuel.Patrick said:
We're merely aping the American pandering to Saudi despots. I very very strongly suspect that Trump will not bow (literally) to the king of Saudi Arabia as Obama did. I'm pretty certain that they're going to get the hairdryer treatment. And not before bloody time. And tout de suite our own attitude to middle eastern despots is likely to fall in line. Boris may have merely jumped the gun.Dromedary said:
May is only stopgap herself. I'll be very surprised if she's in office in a year's time. This is the most incompetent cabinet since the 1950s. But Johnson could fall within a day or two. There's a rule in Britain: do NOT upset the Saudi headchoppers. And if you happen to, then GROVEL. We're talking some of the world's most lucrative weapons contracts here. Whatever bollocks politicians spew to the media is secondary to that and must not conflict with it.Big_G_NorthWales said:It does make you wonder how long TM will put up with Boris
The rule applies to the foreign service, the rest of Whitehall, the BBC, the rest of the media, the judiciary.
As others have said, his background is as a CEO and he's approaching the new job in exactly the same way a new CEO seeks to make his mark - with a few very visible quick wins. Watch for the infrastructure projects in the rust belt states to start generating working men's jobs before the summer.0 -
About time, the Saudis should be international pariah number one. They've done more damage to the world and given less rights to their citizens than either the Iranians or Apartheid South Africa.Sandpit said:
I imagine the US attitude to the Saudis will probably change somewhat, as soon as the former becomes self-sufficient in fuel.Patrick said:
We're merely aping the American pandering to Saudi despots. I very very strongly suspect that Trump will not bow (literally) to the king of Saudi Arabia as Obama did. I'm pretty certain that they're going to get the hairdryer treatment. And not before bloody time. And tout de suite our own attitude to middle eastern despots is likely to fall in line. Boris may have merely jumped the gun.Dromedary said:
May is only stopgap herself. I'll be very surprised if she's in office in a year's time. This is the most incompetent cabinet since the 1950s. But Johnson could fall within a day or two. There's a rule in Britain: do NOT upset the Saudi headchoppers. And if you happen to, then GROVEL. We're talking some of the world's most lucrative weapons contracts here. Whatever bollocks politicians spew to the media is secondary to that and must not conflict with it.Big_G_NorthWales said:It does make you wonder how long TM will put up with Boris
The rule applies to the foreign service, the rest of Whitehall, the BBC, the rest of the media, the judiciary.0 -
Yes, missed most of it this morning but 2.5ish for each side suggests a fine balance ahead of England's batting collapse in the morning. Draw laid at 5.5.Pulpstar said:
Cheers - not sure I want to risk toooo much on a by election though.Sandpit said:Bill Hill still have 1/8 on the Tories in Sleaford, which given the lack of any news today is probably a dead cert now.
Lay draw in cricket still btw.0 -
Cricviz has the draw at 9% with India 51.8%.Sandpit said:
Yes, missed most of it this morning but 2.5ish for each side suggests a fine balance ahead of England's batting collapse in the morning. Draw laid at 5.5.Pulpstar said:
Cheers - not sure I want to risk toooo much on a by election though.Sandpit said:Bill Hill still have 1/8 on the Tories in Sleaford, which given the lack of any news today is probably a dead cert now.
Lay draw in cricket still btw.0 -
Good afternoon, everyone.0
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The only reason the NHS runs a "waiting list" system is to line medics' pockets. It's not a natural thing like a mountain or a sea. They could quite easily arrange an appointment for you at the same time it's decided that you need one. That's what car garages do.
As for medics, they have only one hierarchy. When a medic wearing an NHS hat says he can "see you privately", that is the corrupt abuse of state resources. If one of them got a jail sentence, the others might be less keen on continuing their ways. When he says he can "see you privately" to "refer you back into the NHS" quicker than you'd be referred otherwise, that kind of behaviour is called taking a bribe in almost every other country on earth. The only reason it's not called that in Britain is social deference.
As for British dentists, they're used as a textbook example when explaining the usage of the phrase "gaming the system". Who seriously respects such money-grabbing lying turds? Answer: everyone who doesn't realise that's what they are, plus those who are like it themselves.0 -
Sounds about right. I'll wait to bet on England until after the hosts get a couple of quick wickets first thing in the morningPulpstar said:
Cricviz has the draw at 9% with India 51.8%.Sandpit said:
Yes, missed most of it this morning but 2.5ish for each side suggests a fine balance ahead of England's batting collapse in the morning. Draw laid at 5.5.Pulpstar said:
Cheers - not sure I want to risk toooo much on a by election though.Sandpit said:Bill Hill still have 1/8 on the Tories in Sleaford, which given the lack of any news today is probably a dead cert now.
Lay draw in cricket still btw.
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What about all his foreign creditors?Patrick said:
Indeed. And Trump is the first POTUS since forever who is completely beholden to no-one. Witness his beasting of Boeing and their fleecing of the taxpayer on Airforce One. I suspect the lobbying business is in for a few very thin years.Sandpit said:
I imagine the US attitude to the Saudis will probably change somewhat, as soon as the former becomes self-sufficient in fuel.
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Rolling Stones frontman Sir Mick Jagger has become a father again at age of 730
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When is the Sleaford declaration expected?0
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Mr. Urquhart, must say I find that a weird expression. He didn't stop being a father, after all...0
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That could be a polite way of calling the baby ugly.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Urquhart, must say I find that a weird expression.
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I’m intellectually inclined to agree with you about nationalisation, but experience of what happened in the 50’s and 60’s in the Soviet Union, where R&D was nationalised, and the West, where it wasn’t, makes me pause.Dromedary said:
There's a lot of other expenditure that goes directly into the pockets of big business, such as on medical equipment and information technology scams.Charles said:And please remember drug spending is about 11% of health spending.
Last I heard, it was Bayer who produced the book that tells GPs how to run their "surgeries". Big business is everywhere in the health service.
IIRC, when Margaret Cook walked out on her husband Robin Cook she called for the pharmaceutical sector to be nationalised. She was absolutely right.
Big Pharma spends far more on influence and bribes than it does on research, development and production combined.
For a long time!0 -
I don't know if anyone's bet on Betfair's "Article 50 - Parliamentary Vote Result" market (https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/politics/market/1.128049345) but I reckon there's a decent case that it should be settled already!
For this market to be settled, the United Kingdom must hold a Parliamentary Vote on whether to trigger Article 50 during the lifetime of the current UK Government0 -
The reason for NHS waiting llists is money. The NHS is underfunded, so demand exceeds supply.Dromedary said:The only reason the NHS runs a "waiting list" system is to line medics' pockets. It's not a natural thing like a mountain or a sea. They could quite easily arrange an appointment for you at the same time it's decided that you need one. That's what car garages do.
As for medics, they have only one hierarchy. When a medic wearing an NHS hat says he can "see you privately", that is the corrupt abuse of state resources. If one of them got a jail sentence, the others might be less keen on continuing their ways. When he says he can "see you privately" to "refer you back into the NHS" quicker than you'd be referred otherwise, that kind of behaviour is called taking a bribe in almost every other country on earth. The only reason it's not called that in Britain is social deference.
As for British dentists, they're used as a textbook example when explaining the usage of the phrase "gaming the system". Who seriously respects such money-grabbing lying turds? Answer: everyone who doesn't realise that's what they are, plus those who are like it themselves.0 -
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/02/11/big-pharmaceutical-companies-are-spending-far-more-on-marketing-than-research/?utm_term=.e38e4107ab1aCharles said:
Link?Dromedary said:
Big Pharma spends far more on influence and bribes than it does on research, development and production combined.0 -
correct. Notional expenditure. Money doesn't change hands but the value counts against the limit.Richard_Nabavi said:
But that is a donation, right, and should have been declared as such at full market cost?stodge said:I was lucky enough in my activist days to know both a good typesetter and a printer who were Liberal members and supporters and provided their technical expertise free of charge.
That said, we had to pay for the printing of leaflets but I suspect the "bill" was materials only rather than labour which said printer donated as a volunteer.0 -
A report from a LD source at "sleepy Sleaford"
"There is no negativity on the streets. I have never known such silence and complacency during a parliamentary by-election from other parties. Labour are trying but have no rural reach. UKIP are noisy but unfocused. The Tories are spending, but are rattled and don't know what is going on."0 -
Should point out any think those figures include production costs...rkrkrk said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/02/11/big-pharmaceutical-companies-are-spending-far-more-on-marketing-than-research/?utm_term=.e38e4107ab1aCharles said:
Link?Dromedary said:
Big Pharma spends far more on influence and bribes than it does on research, development and production combined.0 -
"Marketing" is NOT the same as "influence and bribes"rkrkrk said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/02/11/big-pharmaceutical-companies-are-spending-far-more-on-marketing-than-research/?utm_term=.e38e4107ab1aCharles said:
Link?Dromedary said:
Big Pharma spends far more on influence and bribes than it does on research, development and production combined.0 -
If you have zero cost on something then demand is effectively infinite. Demand will always exceed supply so instead of rationing with cost (to the patient in money) we ration with cost (to the patient in time and inconvenience).OldKingCole said:
The reason for NHS waiting llists is money. The NHS is underfunded, so demand exceeds supply.Dromedary said:The only reason the NHS runs a "waiting list" system is to line medics' pockets. It's not a natural thing like a mountain or a sea. They could quite easily arrange an appointment for you at the same time it's decided that you need one. That's what car garages do.
As for medics, they have only one hierarchy. When a medic wearing an NHS hat says he can "see you privately", that is the corrupt abuse of state resources. If one of them got a jail sentence, the others might be less keen on continuing their ways. When he says he can "see you privately" to "refer you back into the NHS" quicker than you'd be referred otherwise, that kind of behaviour is called taking a bribe in almost every other country on earth. The only reason it's not called that in Britain is social deference.
As for British dentists, they're used as a textbook example when explaining the usage of the phrase "gaming the system". Who seriously respects such money-grabbing lying turds? Answer: everyone who doesn't realise that's what they are, plus those who are like it themselves.0 -
Staff costs must be 75% of the total bill, though.Dromedary said:
There's a lot of other expenditure that goes directly into the pockets of big business, such as on medical equipment and information technology scams.Charles said:And please remember drug spending is about 11% of health spending.
Last I heard, it was Bayer who produced the book that tells GPs how to run their "surgeries". Big business is everywhere in the health service.
IIRC, when Margaret Cook walked out on her husband Robin Cook she called for the pharmaceutical sector to be nationalised. She was absolutely right.
Big Pharma spends far more on influence and bribes than it does on research, development and production combined.0 -
85-1 on Betfair. I suspect they'll get a strong second place at least.Goupillon said:A report from a LD source at "sleepy Sleaford"
"There is no negativity on the streets. I have never known such silence and complacency during a parliamentary by-election from other parties. Labour are trying but have no rural reach. UKIP are noisy but unfocused. The Tories are spending, but are rattled and don't know what is going on."0 -
Did they give a prediction?Goupillon said:A report from a LD source at "sleepy Sleaford"
"There is no negativity on the streets. I have never known such silence and complacency during a parliamentary by-election from other parties. Labour are trying but have no rural reach. UKIP are noisy but unfocused. The Tories are spending, but are rattled and don't know what is going on."0 -
Hyufd is certain ukip will be second.williamglenn said:
85-1 on Betfair. I suspect they'll get a strong second place at least.Goupillon said:A report from a LD source at "sleepy Sleaford"
"There is no negativity on the streets. I have never known such silence and complacency during a parliamentary by-election from other parties. Labour are trying but have no rural reach. UKIP are noisy but unfocused. The Tories are spending, but are rattled and don't know what is going on."0 -
Companies like Johnson & Johnson are more consumer products businesses than pharmaceuticals ones.rkrkrk said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/02/11/big-pharmaceutical-companies-are-spending-far-more-on-marketing-than-research/?utm_term=.e38e4107ab1aCharles said:
Link?Dromedary said:
Big Pharma spends far more on influence and bribes than it does on research, development and production combined.0 -
Matter of opinion... But yes I agree with you.Charles said:
"Marketing" is NOT the same as "influence and bribes"rkrkrk said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/02/11/big-pharmaceutical-companies-are-spending-far-more-on-marketing-than-research/?utm_term=.e38e4107ab1aCharles said:
Link?Dromedary said:
Big Pharma spends far more on influence and bribes than it does on research, development and production combined.
It makes sense if you think about it... As a CEO you could invest more in research and your successors successor will thank you... Or yiu could invest in marketing and increase sales today!0 -
I get the impression that in Dromedary's mind it is.Charles said:
"Marketing" is NOT the same as "influence and bribes"rkrkrk said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/02/11/big-pharmaceutical-companies-are-spending-far-more-on-marketing-than-research/?utm_term=.e38e4107ab1aCharles said:
Link?Dromedary said:
Big Pharma spends far more on influence and bribes than it does on research, development and production combined.0 -
The LDs got hammered there in 2015 because of the coalition and went from second to nowhere. I think the baseline going into the by-election should be closer to the 2010 result. UKIP have an awful candidate but if they somehow do well it could enable the LDs to come through the middle.rcs1000 said:
Hyufd is certain ukip will be second.williamglenn said:
85-1 on Betfair. I suspect they'll get a strong second place at least.Goupillon said:A report from a LD source at "sleepy Sleaford"
"There is no negativity on the streets. I have never known such silence and complacency during a parliamentary by-election from other parties. Labour are trying but have no rural reach. UKIP are noisy but unfocused. The Tories are spending, but are rattled and don't know what is going on."0 -
I was being more polite than you!rcs1000 said:
(As it turns out his link says that they spend more on sales & marketing than R&D which falls into the "yes, and?" category of information)0 -
Yes, but that's not a surprise, is it?rcs1000 said:
Hyufd is certain ukip will be second.williamglenn said:
85-1 on Betfair. I suspect they'll get a strong second place at least.Goupillon said:A report from a LD source at "sleepy Sleaford"
"There is no negativity on the streets. I have never known such silence and complacency during a parliamentary by-election from other parties. Labour are trying but have no rural reach. UKIP are noisy but unfocused. The Tories are spending, but are rattled and don't know what is going on."
Personally I think this election is difficult to call (as regards the losing parties).0 -
It's free, so demand exceeds supply.OldKingCole said:The reason for NHS waiting llists is money. The NHS is underfunded, so demand exceeds supply.
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If you gut R&D your multiple goes down and your stock options don't pay off...rkrkrk said:
Matter of opinion... But yes I agree with you.Charles said:
"Marketing" is NOT the same as "influence and bribes"rkrkrk said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/02/11/big-pharmaceutical-companies-are-spending-far-more-on-marketing-than-research/?utm_term=.e38e4107ab1aCharles said:
Link?Dromedary said:
Big Pharma spends far more on influence and bribes than it does on research, development and production combined.
It makes sense if you think about it... As a CEO you could invest more in research and your successors successor will thank you... Or yiu could invest in marketing and increase sales today!0 -
Sorry I have no reliable predictions on the outcome at Sleaford except to say the LDs are in good spirits and putting up a reasonable effort there. I believe they will be disappointed if they do not exceed 10%0
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Also, Johnson& Johnson sells more consumer products (baby care and teeth stuff) than it does pharmaceuticals. So, no surprise it spends more on marketing.Charles said:
I was being more polite than you!rcs1000 said:
(As it turns out his link says that they spend more on sales & marketing than R&D which falls into the "yes, and?" category of information)0 -
Welcome back, Mr. Goupillon.
[Unless I'm misremembering, in which case, welcome to PB].0 -
chortleCharles said:
If you gut R&D your multiple goes down and your stock options don't pay off...rkrkrk said:
Matter of opinion... But yes I agree with you.Charles said:
"Marketing" is NOT the same as "influence and bribes"rkrkrk said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/02/11/big-pharmaceutical-companies-are-spending-far-more-on-marketing-than-research/?utm_term=.e38e4107ab1aCharles said:
Link?Dromedary said:
Big Pharma spends far more on influence and bribes than it does on research, development and production combined.
It makes sense if you think about it... As a CEO you could invest more in research and your successors successor will thank you... Or yiu could invest in marketing and increase sales today!
or you could just follow the tried and tested route of british management and gut R&D, big yourself up and sell yourself to an overseas multinat while pocketing a huge success fee.
Beats actually working0 -
No doubt they'll find many sources to reach a consensus on what this actually means.Tissue_Price said:I don't know if anyone's bet on Betfair's "Article 50 - Parliamentary Vote Result" market (https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/politics/market/1.128049345) but I reckon there's a decent case that it should be settled already!
For this market to be settled, the United Kingdom must hold a Parliamentary Vote on whether to trigger Article 50 during the lifetime of the current UK Government
It will be settled according to the consensus.0 -
So it's going to be a Tory rout. 1/8 good value on that prediction.Goupillon said:Sorry I have no reliable predictions on the outcome at Sleaford except to say the LDs are in good spirits and putting up a reasonable effort there. I believe they will be disappointed if they do not exceed 10%
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repeating it doesn't make it right (I'm assuming you are talking about value, not units).rcs1000 said:
Also, Johnson& Johnson sells more consumer products (baby care and teeth stuff) than it does pharmaceuticals. So, no surprise it spends more on marketing.Charles said:
I was being more polite than you!rcs1000 said:
(As it turns out his link says that they spend more on sales & marketing than R&D which falls into the "yes, and?" category of information)
Q3 2016 sales in consumer $3.3bn. Q3 sales in pharma $8.4bn. Q3 sales in med devices $6.2bn
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shhh!Alanbrooke said:
chortleCharles said:
If you gut R&D your multiple goes down and your stock options don't pay off...rkrkrk said:
Matter of opinion... But yes I agree with you.Charles said:
"Marketing" is NOT the same as "influence and bribes"rkrkrk said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/02/11/big-pharmaceutical-companies-are-spending-far-more-on-marketing-than-research/?utm_term=.e38e4107ab1aCharles said:
Link?Dromedary said:
Big Pharma spends far more on influence and bribes than it does on research, development and production combined.
It makes sense if you think about it... As a CEO you could invest more in research and your successors successor will thank you... Or yiu could invest in marketing and increase sales today!
or you could just follow the tried and tested route of british management and gut R&D, big yourself up and sell yourself to an overseas multinat while pocketing a huge success fee.
Beats actually working0 -
and just to be absolutely clear, it's because the printer does printing for a living. Fine to print your own leaflets and just account for the cost of the paper and toner (and a bit for office space etc)MrsB said:
correct. Notional expenditure. Money doesn't change hands but the value counts against the limit.Richard_Nabavi said:
But that is a donation, right, and should have been declared as such at full market cost?stodge said:I was lucky enough in my activist days to know both a good typesetter and a printer who were Liberal members and supporters and provided their technical expertise free of charge.
That said, we had to pay for the printing of leaflets but I suspect the "bill" was materials only rather than labour which said printer donated as a volunteer.0 -
My brother form another mother :-)Alanbrooke said:
chortleCharles said:
If you gut R&D your multiple goes down and your stock options don't pay off...rkrkrk said:
Matter of opinion... But yes I agree with you.Charles said:
"Marketing" is NOT the same as "influence and bribes"rkrkrk said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/02/11/big-pharmaceutical-companies-are-spending-far-more-on-marketing-than-research/?utm_term=.e38e4107ab1aCharles said:
Link?Dromedary said:
Big Pharma spends far more on influence and bribes than it does on research, development and production combined.
It makes sense if you think about it... As a CEO you could invest more in research and your successors successor will thank you... Or yiu could invest in marketing and increase sales today!
or you could just follow the tried and tested route of british management and gut R&D, big yourself up and sell yourself to an overseas multinat while pocketing a huge success fee.
Beats actually working
You are spot on!
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At least we don't have the staggering amount of health product commercials on TV that the US does though !Tissue_Price said:
It's free, so demand exceeds supply.OldKingCole said:The reason for NHS waiting llists is money. The NHS is underfunded, so demand exceeds supply.
"For back ache ask your Doctor about xxxxx. Side effects include diarrhoea, drowsiness, mucscle pain, vomiting, death...(I abbreviate, severely)"0 -
AFAIR there is little or no effort made to establsih what would be a reasonable expenditure in any area of the NHS. There is a sort of Procrustean effort to lop off the legs or arms of the patient who doesn’t fit the bed!Tissue_Price said:
It's free, so demand exceeds supply.OldKingCole said:The reason for NHS waiting llists is money. The NHS is underfunded, so demand exceeds supply.
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Just a joke...just a joke...
Primal Scream's Bobby Gillespie has never been one to mince his words and the Scotsman brought an ounce of controversy to Bristol when his band rocked the O2 Academy.
As the star of the iconic alternative rock band filled a little time during a technical issue, he said, 'I'm no comedian but should I tell a joke?'.
Before saying to the room 'What do you call a Conservative MP that's been stabbed to death? A beautiful f**king thing'.
http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/what-do-you-call-a-tory-mp-stabbed-to-death-a-beautiful-f-king-thing-jokes-primal-scream-singer/story-29967568-detail/story.html0 -
Flew back from Shanghai yesterday. For the first two hours of the journey there was a pall of smog hanging in the sky up to about 6,000 feet. The pollution in Shanghai itself was unbelievable. It stings your face, furs your tongue and clogs your throat.
Someone somewhere is going to make a fortune out of cleantech. As long as they remember to take out Chinese patents.0 -
Are there such things? ;-) Aren't they a bit like Santa and the tooth fairy?SouthamObserver said:Flew back from Shanghai yesterday. For the first two hours of the journey there was a pall of smog hanging in the sky up to about 6,000 feet. The pollution in Shanghai itself was unbelievable. It stings your face, furs your tongue and clogs your throat.
Someone somewhere is going to make a fortune out of cleantech. As long as they remember to take out Chinese patents.0 -
I thought Chinese patent applications were just about putting your information into a single file that could be easily distributed to your local competitors?FrancisUrquhart said:
Are there such things? ;-)SouthamObserver said:Flew back from Shanghai yesterday. For the first two hours of the journey there was a pall of smog hanging in the sky up to about 6,000 feet. The pollution in Shanghai itself was unbelievable. It stings your face, furs your tongue and clogs your throat.
Someone somewhere is going to make a fortune out of cleantech. As long as they remember to take out Chinese patents.0 -
Are you sure you weren't flying out of Durham Tees Valley after a trip to Middlesbrough?SouthamObserver said:Flew back from Shanghai yesterday. For the first two hours of the journey there was a pall of smog hanging in the sky up to about 6,000 feet. The pollution in Shanghai itself was unbelievable. It stings your face, furs your tongue and clogs your throat.
Someone somewhere is going to make a fortune out of cleantech. As long as they remember to take out Chinese patents.0 -
And if there were, would they be worth the paper they're written on?FrancisUrquhart said:
Are there such things? ;-) Aren't they a bit like Santa and the tooth fairy?SouthamObserver said:Flew back from Shanghai yesterday. For the first two hours of the journey there was a pall of smog hanging in the sky up to about 6,000 feet. The pollution in Shanghai itself was unbelievable. It stings your face, furs your tongue and clogs your throat.
Someone somewhere is going to make a fortune out of cleantech. As long as they remember to take out Chinese patents.0 -
Mr. Observer, long time ago now, but I went there and the decline in air quality (though not visible) was noticeable immediately. Not surprised it's more built up, but a shade surprised they aren't doing more about it.0
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Depends how much important members of the party have been paid.Sandpit said:
And if there were, would they be worth the paper they're written on?FrancisUrquhart said:
Are there such things? ;-) Aren't they a bit like Santa and the tooth fairy?SouthamObserver said:Flew back from Shanghai yesterday. For the first two hours of the journey there was a pall of smog hanging in the sky up to about 6,000 feet. The pollution in Shanghai itself was unbelievable. It stings your face, furs your tongue and clogs your throat.
Someone somewhere is going to make a fortune out of cleantech. As long as they remember to take out Chinese patents.0 -
Oops.Charles said:
repeating it doesn't make it right (I'm assuming you are talking about value, not units).rcs1000 said:
Also, Johnson& Johnson sells more consumer products (baby care and teeth stuff) than it does pharmaceuticals. So, no surprise it spends more on marketing.Charles said:
I was being more polite than you!rcs1000 said:
(As it turns out his link says that they spend more on sales & marketing than R&D which falls into the "yes, and?" category of information)
Q3 2016 sales in consumer $3.3bn. Q3 sales in pharma $8.4bn. Q3 sales in med devices $6.2bn
I was reading http://files.shareholder.com/downloads/JNJ/3390604950x0x911937/CDD15D3E-E71A-438B-A3A1-942EA0A848B8/Sales_of_Key_Products_Franchises_3Q2016.pdf and I didn't read onto the second page
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Embryos sue an actress:
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I have lived and worked in China and the Philippines. I can state categorically that their air quality is orders of magnitude worse than ours. A really really bad day in London would be a wonderful respite in Beijing or Shanghai or Manila.0
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How much money did you say you managed...?rcs1000 said:
Oops.Charles said:
repeating it doesn't make it right (I'm assuming you are talking about value, not units).rcs1000 said:
Also, Johnson& Johnson sells more consumer products (baby care and teeth stuff) than it does pharmaceuticals. So, no surprise it spends more on marketing.Charles said:
I was being more polite than you!rcs1000 said:
(As it turns out his link says that they spend more on sales & marketing than R&D which falls into the "yes, and?" category of information)
Q3 2016 sales in consumer $3.3bn. Q3 sales in pharma $8.4bn. Q3 sales in med devices $6.2bn
I was reading http://files.shareholder.com/downloads/JNJ/3390604950x0x911937/CDD15D3E-E71A-438B-A3A1-942EA0A848B8/Sales_of_Key_Products_Franchises_3Q2016.pdf and I didn't read onto the second page 0 -
Full marks to that lawyer for ingenuity!Morris_Dancer said:Embryos sue an actress:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-382524570 -
Without doubt.Patrick said:I have lived and worked in China and the Philippines. I can state categorically that their air quality is orders of magnitude worse than ours. A really really bad day in London would be a wonderful respite in Beijing or Shanghai or Manila.
The worst I have ever experienced was in Delhi. It actually came into the hotel I was staying at so that you could not see clearly to the other end of the lobby.
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You must be a major pollutant to have had such a dramatic and rapid effect on the place?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Observer, long time ago now, but I went there and the decline in air quality (though not visible) was noticeable immediately. Not surprised it's more built up, but a shade surprised they aren't doing more about it.
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Tell me about it....I've just come back.Pulpstar said:
At least we don't have the staggering amount of health product commercials on TV that the US does though !Tissue_Price said:
It's free, so demand exceeds supply.OldKingCole said:The reason for NHS waiting llists is money. The NHS is underfunded, so demand exceeds supply.
"For back ache ask your Doctor about xxxxx. Side effects include diarrhoea, drowsiness, mucscle pain, vomiting, death...(I abbreviate, severely)"
Compared to most other advanced economies, the UK devotes a significantly lower portion of GDP into health spending. We need to put a shed load more money in.
BTW...I've just checked my betfair account for the first time since that horrible night expecting the worse......a major four figure loss. I'm really surprised that turnout on POTUS tipped 58%...a very welcome offset.
And, I have to thank you Pulps personally for tipping me onto Michigan. My loss for the night was only 250 which is unbelievable considering how exposed I was to Hillary at one point.
That said, I would take a four figure loss in a heartbeat if it changed the outcome.
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Pharma's not really my spaceCharles said:
How much money did you say you managed...?rcs1000 said:
Oops.Charles said:
repeating it doesn't make it right (I'm assuming you are talking about value, not units).rcs1000 said:
Also, Johnson& Johnson sells more consumer products (baby care and teeth stuff) than it does pharmaceuticals. So, no surprise it spends more on marketing.Charles said:
I was being more polite than you!rcs1000 said:
(As it turns out his link says that they spend more on sales & marketing than R&D which falls into the "yes, and?" category of information)
Q3 2016 sales in consumer $3.3bn. Q3 sales in pharma $8.4bn. Q3 sales in med devices $6.2bn
I was reading http://files.shareholder.com/downloads/JNJ/3390604950x0x911937/CDD15D3E-E71A-438B-A3A1-942EA0A848B8/Sales_of_Key_Products_Franchises_3Q2016.pdf and I didn't read onto the second page
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There are. Over one million patent applications were filed in China last year. The courts are very pro-patentee.FrancisUrquhart said:
Are there such things? ;-) Aren't they a bit like Santa and the tooth fairy?SouthamObserver said:Flew back from Shanghai yesterday. For the first two hours of the journey there was a pall of smog hanging in the sky up to about 6,000 feet. The pollution in Shanghai itself was unbelievable. It stings your face, furs your tongue and clogs your throat.
Someone somewhere is going to make a fortune out of cleantech. As long as they remember to take out Chinese patents.
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Really a jurisdictional question. Clearly in Louisiana, if an embryo has legal standing, then this sort of case makes sense. But of course the embryos are in California.Charles said:
Full marks to that lawyer for ingenuity!Morris_Dancer said:Embryos sue an actress:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38252457
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Victoria Ayling would then be an ornament of the mother of parliaments, joining the 102 strong cohort of kipper MPs.rcs1000 said:
Hyufd is certain ukip will be second.williamglenn said:
85-1 on Betfair. I suspect they'll get a strong second place at least.Goupillon said:A report from a LD source at "sleepy Sleaford"
"There is no negativity on the streets. I have never known such silence and complacency during a parliamentary by-election from other parties. Labour are trying but have no rural reach. UKIP are noisy but unfocused. The Tories are spending, but are rattled and don't know what is going on."
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Mr. B2, you rapscallion! Like all morris dancers, I have a fragrant aroma.0
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New elections are nearer:
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He ought to lay some money against the LibDems (winner w/o Cons) on Betfair, then - it is about time somebody did. Right now it is £zero.rcs1000 said:
Hyufd is certain ukip will be second.williamglenn said:
85-1 on Betfair. I suspect they'll get a strong second place at least.Goupillon said:A report from a LD source at "sleepy Sleaford"
"There is no negativity on the streets. I have never known such silence and complacency during a parliamentary by-election from other parties. Labour are trying but have no rural reach. UKIP are noisy but unfocused. The Tories are spending, but are rattled and don't know what is going on."0 -
Work in a better part of the Philippines, the air and the water where I am is crystal clear - except for the hammering rain for several hours a day at the moment!Patrick said:I have lived and worked in China and the Philippines. I can state categorically that their air quality is orders of magnitude worse than ours. A really really bad day in London would be a wonderful respite in Beijing or Shanghai or Manila.
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Dr. Foxinsox, play fair, that prediction was very wrong, but how many (early on) predicted the referendum result? For months I was convinced 60% Remain was the most probable outcome.0
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Sure, but they have just created a new trust in a pro-embyro state to create a future inheritance and hence infringed rights. It's entirely specious but certainly creative.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Really a jurisdictional question. Clearly in Louisiana, if an embryo has legal standing, then this sort of case makes sense. But of course the embryos are in California.Charles said:
Full marks to that lawyer for ingenuity!Morris_Dancer said:Embryos sue an actress:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-382524570 -
SouthamObserver said:
Flew back from Shanghai yesterday. For the first two hours of the journey there was a pall of smog hanging in the sky up to about 6,000 feet. The pollution in Shanghai itself was unbelievable. It stings your face, furs your tongue and clogs your throat.
Someone somewhere is going to make a fortune out of cleantech. As long as they remember to take out Chinese patents.
Southam...you were quoted the other day on the Guardian website for something or other. I cannot remember what you were quoted for and on what article...but well done anyway.0 -
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Mrs Thatcher was right: we should ban economists.Tissue_Price said:
It's free, so demand exceeds supply.OldKingCole said:The reason for NHS waiting llists is money. The NHS is underfunded, so demand exceeds supply.
You might be right. It should be easy to test -- is the number of doctors' appointments higher in Britain than (say) France ?
Seriously, someone must have done the research. Ah, Dr Google finds this international comparison. We are higher than America but lower than France, Germany or Australia.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/236589/number-of-doctor-visits-per-capita-by-country/0
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