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There's a difference between saying "you choice of ambassador is hurting our relations. We suggest you change him," and "We want *this* guy."rcs1000 said:Didn't Saudi Arabia attempt to tell us who we should send as ambassador a few years ago? And didn't we, quite rightly, tell them diplomatically to F off?
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Not where it counted they didn't.....SouthamObserver said:
No, the American public wanted Clinton. Trump was not their first choice.MarqueeMark said:
I agree - a four year Saturnalia is more accurately a Freak Show. But the American public wanted the old order stood on its head. That is what Trump offered. It is Bread and Circuses, with some doubt whether the bread will ever arrive, but no doubt about the circus being camped on the White House lawn.foxinsoxuk said:
I think Saturnalia was just over a week, not four years.MarqueeMark said:
I think Trump is a Reactionary, in that all he does is to provoke a reaction. He is the Lord of Misrule. The Abbot of Unreason. Appointed to preside over the Feast of Fools, with the power to command anyone to do anything.DecrepitJohnL said:
But is Trump of the right or just an American nationalist? Remember Trump not only beat Hillary, he humiliated the Republican establishment.SeanT said:
No, I'm just not an effeminate lefty nitwit. Trump is a game changer. He does things differently. The whole western world is changing. The culture wars have turned, finally, in favour of the right. Some of it will be ugly and weird and sad, some of it will be brilliant and wonderful and long overdue.SouthamObserver said:
Nope - fact. If Trump had any regard for this country or its head of state that Tweet would not have been posted. You know it, but you have no problem with it because you are a highly partisan right-winger.SeanT said:
Bedwetting lefty nonsense. Lol.SouthamObserver said:The idea that Trump will be a great friend to the UK is killed with this Tweet. No friend would have sent it. If Farage were any kind of patriot he would immediately disown it.
The only good news from all of this is that Farage's cuddle-up-close to the Donald totally and utterly discredits him as a serious political figure. Not that he was widely seen that way before, of course.
Rejoice.
It is Roman Saturnalia, when the ordinary rules of life were subverted as masters served their slaves, and the offices of state were held by slaves.
Caligula appointing his horse as Consul is more like it.0 -
I'm pretty sure this was deliberate.dugarbandier said:http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/11/21/kobachs-extreme-vetting-proposal-is-revealed-in-photos-with-trump/?mod=e2tw
can't they afford briefcases or something? or ...perhaps they did it on purpose?0 -
Isabel Oakeshott
One thing is clear: team Trump wants to see the back of Kim Darroch.0 -
I think after objecting to our choice, they attempted to tell us who would be acceptable. And we said, non.JosiasJessop said:
There's a difference between saying "you choice of ambassador is hurting our relations. We suggest you change him," and "We want *this* guy."rcs1000 said:Didn't Saudi Arabia attempt to tell us who we should send as ambassador a few years ago? And didn't we, quite rightly, tell them diplomatically to F off?
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Totally agree with both of you. My early optimism about Trump post-election have evaporated. I see no reason to think that he'll take the US or the world in a good direction.SouthamObserver said:
Hear, hear.Cyclefree said:Incidentally I share SO's concerns about Trump's advisors and the views some of them have - on white supremacy, anti-semitism, racism etc. The fact that groups like the KKK are celebrating is not good news and Britain should, for its own self-respect, be careful not to be seen as sharing or endorsing such views. It is no use criticising Corbyn for his repellent views and associations and giving a free pass to Trump.
Realpolitik is fine. We will need to build as good a relationship as we can with the US but we need to be clear - and in public if need be - that we have certain values and that white supremacy, anti-semitism etc are not part of them.
The silence of so many right wingers on here and elsewhere about Trump's embrace of white supremacists, when they rightly attacked Corbyn for his tolerance and even embrace of anti-Semitism, is deafening. Turns out those attacks on Corbyn were all about partisanship, not principle.0 -
I didn't know that. But that's still different from what Trump's done.rcs1000 said:
I think after objecting to our choice, they attempted to tell us who would be acceptable. And we said, non.JosiasJessop said:
There's a difference between saying "you choice of ambassador is hurting our relations. We suggest you change him," and "We want *this* guy."rcs1000 said:Didn't Saudi Arabia attempt to tell us who we should send as ambassador a few years ago? And didn't we, quite rightly, tell them diplomatically to F off?
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This is all highly entertaining. I was watching this unfold last night and Trump isn't dancing to anyone's tune.
His direct video message is just a taste of things to come.0 -
It doesn't really matter how smoothly the negotiations with the EU go over Brexit. Two years after A50 is invoked, the UK will be thrown out of the EU with no substantive agreement in place and no extension to negotiations, due to the veto of one or more of the remaining EU states. I voted no, notwithstanding my expectation that it would be a very hard Brexit. It is in the EU's interest to make Brexit as painful as possible for the UK. The UK's only possible European ally post Brexit may have to be Russia.AlastairMeeks said:It's also worth noting the impact of a Farage appointment on negotiations with the EU over Brexit. Not exactly the best mood music.
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And not even the whole horse, just the nether region.foxinsoxuk said:
I think Saturnalia was just over a week, not four years.MarqueeMark said:
I think Trump is a Reactionary, in that all he does is to provoke a reaction. He is the Lord of Misrule. The Abbot of Unreason. Appointed to preside over the Feast of Fools, with the power to command anyone to do anything.DecrepitJohnL said:
But is Trump of the right or just an American nationalist? Remember Trump not only beat Hillary, he humiliated the Republican establishment.SeanT said:
No, I'm just not an effeminate lefty nitwit. Trump is a game changer. He does things differently. The whole western world is changing. The culture wars have turned, finally, in favour of the right. Some of it will be ugly and weird and sad, some of it will be brilliant and wonderful and long overdue.SouthamObserver said:
Nope - fact. If Trump had any regard for this country or its head of state that Tweet would not have been posted. You know it, but you have no problem with it because you are a highly partisan right-winger.SeanT said:
Bedwetting lefty nonsense. Lol.SouthamObserver said:The idea that Trump will be a great friend to the UK is killed with this Tweet. No friend would have sent it. If Farage were any kind of patriot he would immediately disown it.
The only good news from all of this is that Farage's cuddle-up-close to the Donald totally and utterly discredits him as a serious political figure. Not that he was widely seen that way before, of course.
Rejoice.
It is Roman Saturnalia, when the ordinary rules of life were subverted as masters served their slaves, and the offices of state were held by slaves.
Caligula appointing his horse as Consul is more like it.0 -
That, of course, is different.MarqueeMark said:
Not where it counted they didn't.....SouthamObserver said:
No, the American public wanted Clinton. Trump was not their first choice.MarqueeMark said:
I agree - a four year Saturnalia is more accurately a Freak Show. But the American public wanted the old order stood on its head. That is what Trump offered. It is Bread and Circuses, with some doubt whether the bread will ever arrive, but no doubt about the circus being camped on the White House lawn.foxinsoxuk said:
I think Saturnalia was just over a week, not four years.MarqueeMark said:
I think Trump is a Reactionary, in that all he does is to provoke a reaction. He is the Lord of Misrule. The Abbot of Unreason. Appointed to preside over the Feast of Fools, with the power to command anyone to do anything.DecrepitJohnL said:
But is Trump of the right or just an American nationalist? Remember Trump not only beat Hillary, he humiliated the Republican establishment.SeanT said:
No, I'm just not an effeminate lefty nitwit. Trump is a game changer. He does things differently. The whole western world is changing. The culture wars have turned, finally, in favour of the right. Some of it will be ugly and weird and sad, some of it will be brilliant and wonderful and long overdue.SouthamObserver said:
Nope - fact. If Trump had any regard for this country or its head of state that Tweet would not have been posted. You know it, but you have no problem with it because you are a highly partisan right-winger.SeanT said:
Bedwetting lefty nonsense. Lol.SouthamObserver said:The idea that Trump will be a great friend to the UK is killed with this Tweet. No friend would have sent it. If Farage were any kind of patriot he would immediately disown it.
The only good news from all of this is that Farage's cuddle-up-close to the Donald totally and utterly discredits him as a serious political figure. Not that he was widely seen that way before, of course.
Rejoice.
It is Roman Saturnalia, when the ordinary rules of life were subverted as masters served their slaves, and the offices of state were held by slaves.
Caligula appointing his horse as Consul is more like it.
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Meanwhile, here's Charles Grant's take on how the EU is shaping up to deal with Brexit:
https://twitter.com/patrickwintour/status/800968433710075904
It doesn't make for comfortable reading.0 -
One candidate was dumb as a brick to ignore that.SouthamObserver said:
That, of course, is different.MarqueeMark said:
Not where it counted they didn't.....SouthamObserver said:
No, the American public wanted Clinton. Trump was not their first choice.MarqueeMark said:
I agree - a four year Saturnalia is more accurately a Freak Show. But the American public wanted the old order stood on its head. That is what Trump offered. It is Bread and Circuses, with some doubt whether the bread will ever arrive, but no doubt about the circus being camped on the White House lawn.foxinsoxuk said:
I think Saturnalia was just over a week, not four years.MarqueeMark said:
I think Trump is a Reactionary, in that all he does is to provoke a reaction. He is the Lord of Misrule. The Abbot of Unreason. Appointed to preside over the Feast of Fools, with the power to command anyone to do anything.DecrepitJohnL said:
But is Trump of the right or just an American nationalist? Remember Trump not only beat Hillary, he humiliated the Republican establishment.SeanT said:
No, I'm just not an effeminate lefty nitwit. Trump is a game changer. He does things differently. The whole western world is changing. The culture wars have turned, finally, in favour of the right. Some of it will be ugly and weird and sad, some of it will be brilliant and wonderful and long overdue.SouthamObserver said:
Nope - fact. If Trump had any regard for this country or its head of state that Tweet would not have been posted. You know it, but you have no problem with it because you are a highly partisan right-winger.SeanT said:
Bedwetting lefty nonsense. Lol.SouthamObserver said:The idea that Trump will be a great friend to the UK is killed with this Tweet. No friend would have sent it. If Farage were any kind of patriot he would immediately disown it.
The only good news from all of this is that Farage's cuddle-up-close to the Donald totally and utterly discredits him as a serious political figure. Not that he was widely seen that way before, of course.
Rejoice.
It is Roman Saturnalia, when the ordinary rules of life were subverted as masters served their slaves, and the offices of state were held by slaves.
Caligula appointing his horse as Consul is more like it.
The other is now President Elect.0 -
I hope no one had money on the North Carolina governorship contest. Looks like the lose is trying shenanigans to end run round the result, and the NC legislature is apparebtly considering a court packing bill to get round the election of a liberal justice their supreme court. Bonkers.0
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We're all acting very British here, and Trump's acting all American. It may go down well in the USA. They still expect us to be stiff and follow form. They pride themselves on not doing that.
"That Farage guy gets things done," may well be Trump's meaning. "That's why we get on."
Don't mistake everything Trump does as the act of a buffoon.0 -
As far as I can see 'winning the culture wars' seems to be about little more than having free rein to go around insulting and showing a general lack of respect to whichever individuals, groupings or nations are not deemed to be true believing imbibers of the kool aid. None of the headbangers have as yet provided an alternative answer that can't be boiled down thus.SouthamObserver said:
If the right wing view of the culture wars is that it means the president-elect of the US gets to humiliate the government and the head of state of a close ally then I am not sure that the right will be in the ascendant for as long as you think.SeanT said:
No, I'm just not an effeminate lefty nitwit. Trump is a game changer. He does things differently. The whole western world is changing. The culture wars have turned, finally, in favour of the right. Some of it will be ugly and weird and sad, some of it will be brilliant and wonderful and long overdue.SouthamObserver said:
Nope - fact. If Trump had any regard for this country or its head of state that Tweet would not have been posted. You know it, but you have no problem with it because you are a highly partisan right-winger.SeanT said:
Bedwetting lefty nonsense. Lol.SouthamObserver said:The idea that Trump will be a great friend to the UK is killed with this Tweet. No friend would have sent it. If Farage were any kind of patriot he would immediately disown it.
The only good news from all of this is that Farage's cuddle-up-close to the Donald totally and utterly discredits him as a serious political figure. Not that he was widely seen that way before, of course.
Rejoice.
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That much is fairly obvious. So team trump wants it out there, or kobachs, or both? and why does the WSJ report it as if they can't see it for what it is?rcs1000 said:
I'm pretty sure this was deliberate.dugarbandier said:http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/11/21/kobachs-extreme-vetting-proposal-is-revealed-in-photos-with-trump/?mod=e2tw
can't they afford briefcases or something? or ...perhaps they did it on purpose?0 -
You'd have applauded even more if he'd had them taken out and shot wouldn't you?PlatoSaid said:For anyone who missed this
"Hah-Hah-Hah!
The New York Post reported:
Donald Trump scolded media big shots during an off-the-record Trump Tower sitdown on Monday, sources told The Post.
“It was like a f–ing firing squad,” one source said of the encounter.
“Trump started with [CNN chief] Jeff Zucker and said ‘I hate your network, everyone at CNN is a liar and you should be ashamed,’ ” the source said.
“The meeting was a total disaster. The TV execs and anchors went in there thinking they would be discussing the access they would get to the Trump administration, but instead they got a Trump-style dressing down,” the source added...
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/11/trumps-media-meeting-set-brought-one-room-blasted-away/
More here
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-21/these-mainstream-media-anchors-just-went-record-meeting-trump0 -
As an alternative candidate for UK Ambassadour to the US how about Jacob Rees Mogg or further down the food chain Peter Bone.0
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Farages ego is beginning to exert a measurable gravitational effect. He's working against the national interest by undermining HMG. Maybe HM needs to have a quiet word.0
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He was Blair's man in Europe:PlatoSaid said:Isabel Oakeshott
One thing is clear: team Trump wants to see the back of Kim Darroch.
https://www.gov.uk/government/people/kim-darroch
I imagine Putin wouldn't be sorry to see him go either.0 -
Are Peter Tactchell, George Galloway and Dianne Abbot in the running for ambassador?0
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The white supremacists are in charge now. Get over it.Monksfield said:
You'd have applauded even more if he'd had them taken out and shot wouldn't you?PlatoSaid said:For anyone who missed this
"Hah-Hah-Hah!
The New York Post reported:
Donald Trump scolded media big shots during an off-the-record Trump Tower sitdown on Monday, sources told The Post.
“It was like a f–ing firing squad,” one source said of the encounter.
“Trump started with [CNN chief] Jeff Zucker and said ‘I hate your network, everyone at CNN is a liar and you should be ashamed,’ ” the source said.
“The meeting was a total disaster. The TV execs and anchors went in there thinking they would be discussing the access they would get to the Trump administration, but instead they got a Trump-style dressing down,” the source added...
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/11/trumps-media-meeting-set-brought-one-room-blasted-away/
More here
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-21/these-mainstream-media-anchors-just-went-record-meeting-trump
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It was largely manufactured misrepresentation anyway Southam. It was always about partisanship.SouthamObserver said:
Hear, hear.Cyclefree said:Incidentally I share SO's concerns about Trump's advisors and the views some of them have - on white supremacy, anti-semitism, racism etc. The fact that groups like the KKK are celebrating is not good news and Britain should, for its own self-respect, be careful not to be seen as sharing or endorsing such views. It is no use criticising Corbyn for his repellent views and associations and giving a free pass to Trump.
Realpolitik is fine. We will need to build as good a relationship as we can with the US but we need to be clear - and in public if need be - that we have certain values and that white supremacy, anti-semitism etc are not part of them.
The silence of so many right wingers on here and elsewhere about Trump's embrace of white supremacists, when they rightly attacked Corbyn for his tolerance and even embrace of anti-Semitism, is deafening. Turns out those attacks on Corbyn were all about partisanship, not principle.0 -
Agreed. I am baffled at the idea annoying lefties is worth our own brazen dancing to Trump's tune. We need to butter him up that's In our interests now, but just because he will do some things that may be good - everyone does - doesn't mean we need to line up for a bootlicking. We need to retain some dignity, remember the worry about not being Trump's first phone call, we're pathetic sometimes.SouthamObserver said:
If the right wing view of the culture wars is that it means the president-elect of the US gets to humiliate the government and the head of state of a close ally then I am not sure that the right will be in the ascendant for as long as you think.SeanT said:
No, I'm just not an effeminate lefty nitwit. Trump is a game changer. He does things differently. The whole western world is changing. The culture wars have turned, finally, in favour of the right. Some of it will be ugly and weird and sad, some of it will be brilliant and wonderful and long overdue.SouthamObserver said:
Nope - fact. If Trump had any regard for this country or its head of state that Tweet would not have been posted. You know it, but you have no problem with it because you are a highly partisan right-winger.SeanT said:
Bedwetting lefty nonsense. Lol.SouthamObserver said:The idea that Trump will be a great friend to the UK is killed with this Tweet. No friend would have sent it. If Farage were any kind of patriot he would immediately disown it.
The only good news from all of this is that Farage's cuddle-up-close to the Donald totally and utterly discredits him as a serious political figure. Not that he was widely seen that way before, of course.
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Good morning, everyone.
F1: Malaysia's next race will be their last.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/38061412
A reasonable circuit, especially for a recent addition. Far rather lose Azerbaijan, though. Or Monaco.0 -
Do we really want to start appointing career politicians as ambassadors anyway? Why not go the USA route and sell the posts to campaign contributors, that'd raise some money too. I'd rather have farage in the Lords, frankly, but he really seems like he wants to move to the USA.0
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I'm sure the Jewish Labour MP Ruth Smeeth would agree...Monksfield said:
It was largely manufactured misrepresentation anyway Southam. It was always about partisanship.SouthamObserver said:
Hear, hear.Cyclefree said:Incidentally I share SO's concerns about Trump's advisors and the views some of them have - on white supremacy, anti-semitism, racism etc. The fact that groups like the KKK are celebrating is not good news and Britain should, for its own self-respect, be careful not to be seen as sharing or endorsing such views. It is no use criticising Corbyn for his repellent views and associations and giving a free pass to Trump.
Realpolitik is fine. We will need to build as good a relationship as we can with the US but we need to be clear - and in public if need be - that we have certain values and that white supremacy, anti-semitism etc are not part of them.
The silence of so many right wingers on here and elsewhere about Trump's embrace of white supremacists, when they rightly attacked Corbyn for his tolerance and even embrace of anti-Semitism, is deafening. Turns out those attacks on Corbyn were all about partisanship, not principle.0 -
It would be a good thing for this country if all that special relationship crap went into the bin and never came out. We do have a very close working relationship with the US on security matters and have invested heavily in GCHQ etc to keep that relationship. That is in our national interest and gives us a layer of protection that we otherwise would not have. We will have a common approach to many world issues and may improve our chances of getting our way by working with the US much of the time. But the rest is cringeworthy and frankly beneath us. It is long past time it stopped.kle4 said:
Agreed. I am baffled at the idea annoying lefties is worth our own brazen dancing to Trump's tune. We need to butter him up that's In our interests now, but just because he will do some things that may be good - everyone does - doesn't mean we need to line up for a bootlicking. We need to retain some dignity, remember the worry about not being Trump's first phone call, we're pathetic sometimes.SouthamObserver said:
If the right wing view of the culture wars is that it means the president-elect of the US gets to humiliate the government and the head of state of a close ally then I am not sure that the right will be in the ascendant for as long as you think.SeanT said:
No, I'm just not an effeminate lefty nitwit. Trump is a game changer. He does things differently. The whole western world is changing. The culture wars have turned, finally, in favour of the right. Some of it will be ugly and weird and sad, some of it will be brilliant and wonderful and long overdue.SouthamObserver said:
Nope - fact. If Trump had any regard for this country or its head of state that Tweet would not have been posted. You know it, but you have no problem with it because you are a highly partisan right-winger.SeanT said:
Bedwetting lefty nonsense. Lol.SouthamObserver said:The idea that Trump will be a great friend to the UK is killed with this Tweet. No friend would have sent it. If Farage were any kind of patriot he would immediately disown it.
The only good news from all of this is that Farage's cuddle-up-close to the Donald totally and utterly discredits him as a serious political figure. Not that he was widely seen that way before, of course.
Rejoice.0 -
Where the authoritarian right -- as opposed to the libertarian right -- is winning is here in good old Blighty. Porn sites are to be blocked -- and perhaps pb too since the betting angle has it classified as an adult site in my ISP's voluntary filter; ISPs are now required to store (and reveal) where you've been; and this morning it is floated that the NHS should demand proof of identity -- which looks like flying a kite for ID cards.SeanT said:
No, I'm just not an effeminate lefty nitwit. Trump is a game changer. He does things differently. The whole western world is changing. The culture wars have turned, finally, in favour of the right. Some of it will be ugly and weird and sad, some of it will be brilliant and wonderful and long overdue.SouthamObserver said:
Nope - fact. If Trump had any regard for this country or its head of state that Tweet would not have been posted. You know it, but you have no problem with it because you are a highly partisan right-winger.SeanT said:
Bedwetting lefty nonsense. Lol.SouthamObserver said:The idea that Trump will be a great friend to the UK is killed with this Tweet. No friend would have sent it. If Farage were any kind of patriot he would immediately disown it.
The only good news from all of this is that Farage's cuddle-up-close to the Donald totally and utterly discredits him as a serious political figure. Not that he was widely seen that way before, of course.
Rejoice.0 -
I didn't know that. I hope he had some relevant background or I am equally annoyed.timmo said:
What about Paul Boateng.. Happened with him.kle4 said:Do we really want to start appointing career politicians as ambassadors anyway? Why not go the USA route and sell the posts to campaign contributors, that'd raise some money too.
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We aren't. We just don't like the idea from our perspective, and us being British about it is the point.CD13 said:We're all acting very British here, and Trump's acting all American. It may go down well in the USA. They still expect us to be stiff and follow form. They pride themselves on not doing that.
"That Farage guy gets things done," may well be Trump's meaning. "That's why we get on."
Don't mistake everything Trump does as the act of a buffoon.0 -
Has Plato linked to this yet?
https://twitter.com/samkalidi/status/8008446080537354250 -
Trump appears to have managed to piss off a bunch of the Brexiteers with this.
Which is nice...0 -
Not for all of us it wasnt. Too many reports of the problem for it to be nothing in both instances.Monksfield said:
It was largely manufactured misrepresentation anyway Southam. It was always about partisanship.SouthamObserver said:
Hear, hear.Cyclefree said:Incidentally I share SO's concerns about Trump's advisors and the views some of them have - on white supremacy, anti-semitism, racism etc. The fact that groups like the KKK are celebrating is not good news and Britain should, for its own self-respect, be careful not to be seen as sharing or endorsing such views. It is no use criticising Corbyn for his repellent views and associations and giving a free pass to Trump.
Realpolitik is fine. We will need to build as good a relationship as we can with the US but we need to be clear - and in public if need be - that we have certain values and that white supremacy, anti-semitism etc are not part of them.
The silence of so many right wingers on here and elsewhere about Trump's embrace of white supremacists, when they rightly attacked Corbyn for his tolerance and even embrace of anti-Semitism, is deafening. Turns out those attacks on Corbyn were all about partisanship, not principle.
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At least it suggests that NF is not wholly committed to becoming Banks's pet Grillo.0
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Trump says extreme things, not expecting them to happen but to get the subject on the table. He wants us to sack our current ambassador and replace him with someone more to his liking. He'll get his way too, I reckon.CD13 said:We're all acting very British here, and Trump's acting all American. It may go down well in the USA. They still expect us to be stiff and follow form. They pride themselves on not doing that.
"That Farage guy gets things done," may well be Trump's meaning. "That's why we get on."
Don't mistake everything Trump does as the act of a buffoon.
Farage was just a gambling chip for Trump.0 -
Mr. JohnL, I'm concerned about how they're going to police such 'adult' sites. If it's rigorous, it means creating a database that would be a hacker's wet dream for the blackmail potential (ok, using PB isn't horrendous but most of the people on the Totally Secure Register would be checking frisky material). If it's not, then it won't work.
Hadn't considered the ID card angle for hospitals. That would be alarming.0 -
Paints Britain in a very weak light.logical_song said:
Trump says extreme things, not expecting them to happen but to get the subject on the table. He wants us to sack our current ambassador and replace him with someone more to his liking. He'll get his way too, I reckon.CD13 said:We're all acting very British here, and Trump's acting all American. It may go down well in the USA. They still expect us to be stiff and follow form. They pride themselves on not doing that.
"That Farage guy gets things done," may well be Trump's meaning. "That's why we get on."
Don't mistake everything Trump does as the act of a buffoon.
Farage was just a gambling chip for Trump.0 -
And as it's a dog whistle, perhaps that's not going to happen. Otherwise they wouldn't need the subterfuge.rcs1000 said:http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/11/21/kobachs-extreme-vetting-proposal-is-revealed-in-photos-with-trump/?mod=e2tw
@deugarbandier: can't they afford briefcases or something? or ...perhaps they did it on purpose?
I'm pretty sure this was deliberate.
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Dave was right.. too many tweets make a twat.0
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Does anyone know who the current US ambassador is ?
I certainly don't.
We should not rule it out at this stage. It is both an opportunity and a threat.0 -
Are you working on the theory that if you say this often enough people might think it's true?SouthamObserver said:
The white supremacists are in charge now. Get over it.Monksfield said:
You'd have applauded even more if he'd had them taken out and shot wouldn't you?PlatoSaid said:For anyone who missed this
"Hah-Hah-Hah!
The New York Post reported:
Donald Trump scolded media big shots during an off-the-record Trump Tower sitdown on Monday, sources told The Post.
“It was like a f–ing firing squad,” one source said of the encounter.
“Trump started with [CNN chief] Jeff Zucker and said ‘I hate your network, everyone at CNN is a liar and you should be ashamed,’ ” the source said.
“The meeting was a total disaster. The TV execs and anchors went in there thinking they would be discussing the access they would get to the Trump administration, but instead they got a Trump-style dressing down,” the source added...
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/11/trumps-media-meeting-set-brought-one-room-blasted-away/
More here
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-21/these-mainstream-media-anchors-just-went-record-meeting-trump0 -
In that case let's all look forward to everybody who joined the indignation train when Corbyn was at its buffers being as vocal and condemnatory about all forms of hate and discrimination.kle4 said:
Not for all of us it wasnt. Too many reports of the problem for it to be nothing in both instances.Monksfield said:
It was largely manufactured misrepresentation anyway Southam. It was always about partisanship.SouthamObserver said:
Hear, hear.Cyclefree said:Incidentally I share SO's concerns about Trump's advisors and the views some of them have - on white supremacy, anti-semitism, racism etc. The fact that groups like the KKK are celebrating is not good news and Britain should, for its own self-respect, be careful not to be seen as sharing or endorsing such views. It is no use criticising Corbyn for his repellent views and associations and giving a free pass to Trump.
Realpolitik is fine. We will need to build as good a relationship as we can with the US but we need to be clear - and in public if need be - that we have certain values and that white supremacy, anti-semitism etc are not part of them.
The silence of so many right wingers on here and elsewhere about Trump's embrace of white supremacists, when they rightly attacked Corbyn for his tolerance and even embrace of anti-Semitism, is deafening. Turns out those attacks on Corbyn were all about partisanship, not principle.0 -
This whole mess was entirely preventable and has only occurred due to the stupidity and arrogance of UK politicians and diplomats (virtue signalling in parliament and cosying up to Clinton and ignoring Trump). Still doesn't mean Farage should be given a role.PlatoSaid said:Isabel Oakeshott
One thing is clear: team Trump wants to see the back of Kim Darroch.0 -
On this occasion, a twat makes too many tweets.SquareRoot said:Dave was right.. too many tweets make a twat.
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I don't see the issue with sacking Darroch. From my limited experience and from talking to others the man is a fool. Wouldn't replace him with Nigel though, I'd send in someone like Soames.Pulpstar said:Does anyone know who the current US ambassador is ?
I certainly don't.
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On this occasion, a twat makes too many tweets.SquareRoot said:Dave was right.. too many tweets make a twat.
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He's going to be the president, most likely for the next 8 years by my reckoning. We need to deal with the world as it is !AlastairMeeks said:
On this occasion, a twat makes too many tweets.SquareRoot said:Dave was right.. too many tweets make a twat.
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No, not exactly.rcs1000 said:Didn't Saudi Arabia attempt to tell us who we should send as ambassador a few years ago? And didn't we, quite rightly, tell them diplomatically to F off?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/british-ambassador-simon-collis-to-saudi-arabia-completes-hajj-pilgrimmage-after-converting-to-islam-a7309491.html
This was dutifully fawned over by Islamist journalists paid for using our taxes:
https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=id&u=http://www.bbc.com/indonesia/majalah/2016/09/160915_majalah_inggris_naikhaji&prev=search
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The US ambassador to the UK?Pulpstar said:Does anyone know who the current US ambassador is ?
I certainly don't.
We should not rule it out at this stage. It is both an opportunity and a threat.
That's a Democrat fundraiser and activist called Barzun who bought his way into the job.
wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Barzun
Our ambassador to them is a Blairite career EUphilic diplomat with a background in zoology.
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Meanwhile...
@bbclaurak: Govt sources say May's 'cliff edge' comment was not an intentional hint at a transitional Brexit deal
@cpmcgonagle: "The Prime Minister was offering a personal opinion and was not speaking on behalf of the Prime Minister..." twitter.com/bbclaurak/stat…
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Major case of
less majestystupid autocorrect: lese majeste from Donald Trump. Not that he cares about any of that stuff, of course.
As to whether Donald Trump is a friend of the UK. Donald Trump is a friend of Donald Trump. And that's it. Just ask the many people who thought Trump was their friend. Alex Salmond for example. Anyone who who celebrates Trump as the apotheosis of the right had better get another apotheosis or they will be very disappointed.0 -
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PerfectAlastairMeeks said:
On this occasion, a twat makes too many tweets.SquareRoot said:Dave was right.. too many tweets make a twat.
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Yes, that's pretty much it. Donald is only really interested in Donald. That's why his picks have been quite poor so far.FF43 said:Major case of
less majestystupid autocorrect: lese majeste from Donald Trump. Not that he cares about any of that stuff, of course.
As to whether Donald Trump is a friend of the UK. Donald Trump is a friend of Donald Trump. And that's it. Just ask the many people who thought Trump was their friend. Alex Salmond for example. Anyone who who celebrates Trump as the apotheosis of the right had better get another apotheosis or they will be very disappointed.0 -
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I didn't know that. I hope he had some relevant background or I am equally annoyed.timmo said:
What about Paul Boateng.. Happened with him.kle4 said:Do we really want to start appointing career politicians as ambassadors anyway? Why not go the USA route and sell the posts to campaign contributors, that'd raise some money too.
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Some of Trumps advisers, esp. Bannon, are very hostile towards the Tories and favourable to UKIP. They will be quite happy to destabilise the Tory leadership as much as possible as part of some global reallignment of the right towards Tea Partyism.MP_SE said:
This whole mess was entirely preventable and has only occurred due to the stupidity and arrogance of UK politicians and diplomats (virtue signalling in parliament and cosying up to Clinton and ignoring Trump). Still doesn't mean Farage should be given a role.PlatoSaid said:Isabel Oakeshott
One thing is clear: team Trump wants to see the back of Kim Darroch.
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I've just been reading about that; an absolutely astonishing story.Alistair said:I hope no one had money on the North Carolina governorship contest. Looks like the lose is trying shenanigans to end run round the result, and the NC legislature is apparebtly considering a court packing bill to get round the election of a liberal justice their supreme court. Bonkers.
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Unlikely, but if you read my post that wasn't my recommendation. Would he have appointed an opposition politician in an informal role if they had a special connection with the area? Absolutely, and he's done so before.rkrkrk said:
So it's the UK government's fault!?Luckyguy1983 said:If the Government hadn't dismissed out of hand the possibility of Farage having some form of go-between role, I doubt this would have happened. I agree that he is totally unsuited to being ambassador. But that doesn't mean his warm relations with Trump should he wasted.
Nigel Farage is an opposition politician! Would David Cameron have appointed Ed Miliband as US ambassador?0 -
Yup. They love the Tories in the same way they love the GOP establishment. May needs to be robust. This insult should not be tolerated.JonathanD said:
Some of Trumps advisers, esp. Bannon, are very hostile towards the Tories and favourable to UKIP. They will be quite happy to destabilise the Tory leadership as much as possible as part of some global reallignment of the right towards Tea Partyism.MP_SE said:
This whole mess was entirely preventable and has only occurred due to the stupidity and arrogance of UK politicians and diplomats (virtue signalling in parliament and cosying up to Clinton and ignoring Trump). Still doesn't mean Farage should be given a role.PlatoSaid said:Isabel Oakeshott
One thing is clear: team Trump wants to see the back of Kim Darroch.
I don't think this mess wasn't preventable, no matter how nice we were to Trump, since the divide is ideological.0 -
One has great sympathy for Mrs May. It must be hard work trying to run HMG, whilst at the same time dealing with the pile of shite left by her incompetent predecessor and deal with Osborne's treacherous rearguard action from behind his own lines.Scott_P said:Meanwhile...
@bbclaurak: Govt sources say May's 'cliff edge' comment was not an intentional hint at a transitional Brexit deal
@cpmcgonagle: "The Prime Minister was offering a personal opinion and was not speaking on behalf of the Prime Minister..." twitter.com/bbclaurak/stat…
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I see Darroch has his CMG and KCMG. Perhaps he could be bought off by giving him his GCMG?GeoffM said:
The US ambassador to the UK?Pulpstar said:Does anyone know who the current US ambassador is ?
I certainly don't.
We should not rule it out at this stage. It is both an opportunity and a threat.
That's a Democrat fundraiser and activist called Barzun who bought his way into the job.
wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Barzun
Our ambassador to them is a Blairite career EUphilic diplomat with a background in zoology.
This is a great chance to get shot of both of them.0 -
The British establishment is in a weak light.Jonathan said:
Paints Britain in a very weak light.logical_song said:
Trump says extreme things, not expecting them to happen but to get the subject on the table. He wants us to sack our current ambassador and replace him with someone more to his liking. He'll get his way too, I reckon.CD13 said:We're all acting very British here, and Trump's acting all American. It may go down well in the USA. They still expect us to be stiff and follow form. They pride themselves on not doing that.
"That Farage guy gets things done," may well be Trump's meaning. "That's why we get on."
Don't mistake everything Trump does as the act of a buffoon.
Farage was just a gambling chip for Trump.
They went all-in on a Clinton win and lost.
Its hardly surprising Trump wants a less hostile British ambassador.
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Being passive aggressive before 9am is so unattractiveSouthamObserver said:Has Plato linked to this yet?
ttps://twitter.com/samkalidi/status/800844608053735425
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What exactly has the British Ambassador done that could be considered as hostile? – Sir Kim Darroch was appointed as ambassador to the US on 20 Aug 2015, long before either Trump or Clinton were selected as party nominees and appears to have said very little about either. - Genuine question btw.another_richard said:
The British establishment is in a weak light.Jonathan said:
Paints Britain in a very weak light.logical_song said:
Trump says extreme things, not expecting them to happen but to get the subject on the table. He wants us to sack our current ambassador and replace him with someone more to his liking. He'll get his way too, I reckon.CD13 said:We're all acting very British here, and Trump's acting all American. It may go down well in the USA. They still expect us to be stiff and follow form. They pride themselves on not doing that.
"That Farage guy gets things done," may well be Trump's meaning. "That's why we get on."
Don't mistake everything Trump does as the act of a buffoon.
Farage was just a gambling chip for Trump.
They went all-in on a Clinton win and lost.
Its hardly surprising Trump wants a less hostile British ambassador.0 -
I do love the idea of us 'not kowtowing' to the US. Has everyone been in a coma for the last 70 odd years of British foreign policy?0
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Hang on .. Salmond decided to fall out with Trump not the other way around. It was a falling out of convenience because he was getting soMaxPB said:
Yes, that's pretty much it. Donald is only really interested in Donald. That's why his picks have been quite poor so far.FF43 said:Major case of
less majestystupid autocorrect: lese majeste from Donald Trump. Not that he cares about any of that stuff, of course.
As to whether Donald Trump is a friend of the UK. Donald Trump is a friend of Donald Trump. And that's it. Just ask the many people who thought Trump was their friend. Alex Salmond for example. Anyone who who celebrates Trump as the apotheosis of the right had better get another apotheosis or they will be very disappointed.
Much bad publicity.0 -
I know that it's unlikely Meeks will be POTUS without a recount in California.logical_song said:0 -
Lol!AlastairMeeks said:
On this occasion, a twat makes too many tweets.SquareRoot said:Dave was right.. too many tweets make a twat.
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Sure, but the US rarely sees the need to humiliate us.Luckyguy1983 said:I do love the idea of us 'not kowtowing' to the US. Has everyone been in a coma for the last 70 odd years of British foreign policy?
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The 'many people are saying' device is what Trump uses when he wants to provoke while not personally associating himself with the contents, like with birtherism or Ted Cruz's father.0
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LOL! He'll be demanding we make Nige UK Prime Minister (from the Lords) next!
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Evidence, please.another_richard said:
The British establishment is in a weak light.Jonathan said:
Paints Britain in a very weak light.logical_song said:
Trump says extreme things, not expecting them to happen but to get the subject on the table. He wants us to sack our current ambassador and replace him with someone more to his liking. He'll get his way too, I reckon.CD13 said:We're all acting very British here, and Trump's acting all American. It may go down well in the USA. They still expect us to be stiff and follow form. They pride themselves on not doing that.
"That Farage guy gets things done," may well be Trump's meaning. "That's why we get on."
Don't mistake everything Trump does as the act of a buffoon.
Farage was just a gambling chip for Trump.
They went all-in on a Clinton win and lost.
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Charles Grant is about as neutral as Michael Heseltine, and his agenda is to stop and reverse Brexit.AlastairMeeks said:Meanwhile, here's Charles Grant's take on how the EU is shaping up to deal with Brexit:
https://twitter.com/patrickwintour/status/800968433710075904
It doesn't make for comfortable reading.
I'm sure the EU would have been happy to tell him just quite how awful they're going to have to be, and for him to write it.0 -
Call me zany but I prefer this to being asked to drop bombs on people.Jonathan said:
Sure, but the US rarely sees the need to humiliate us.Luckyguy1983 said:I do love the idea of us 'not kowtowing' to the US. Has everyone been in a coma for the last 70 odd years of British foreign policy?
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Well I don't know what kind of informal role you have in mind but I think it's probabaly unprecedented to appoint the leader of an opposition party to basically anything like this.Luckyguy1983 said:
Unlikely, but if you read my post that wasn't my recommendation. Would he have appointed an opposition politician in an informal role if they had a special connection with the area? Absolutely, and he's done so before.rkrkrk said:
So it's the UK government's fault!?Luckyguy1983 said:If the Government hadn't dismissed out of hand the possibility of Farage having some form of go-between role, I doubt this would have happened. I agree that he is totally unsuited to being ambassador. But that doesn't mean his warm relations with Trump should he wasted.
Nigel Farage is an opposition politician! Would David Cameron have appointed Ed Miliband as US ambassador?0 -
You're zany.Luckyguy1983 said:
Call me zany but I prefer this to being asked to drop bombs on people.Jonathan said:
Sure, but the US rarely sees the need to humiliate us.Luckyguy1983 said:I do love the idea of us 'not kowtowing' to the US. Has everyone been in a coma for the last 70 odd years of British foreign policy?
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Do you really think that the British establishment wanted Trump to win ?JosiasJessop said:
Evidence, please.another_richard said:
The British establishment is in a weak light.Jonathan said:
Paints Britain in a very weak light.logical_song said:
Trump says extreme things, not expecting them to happen but to get the subject on the table. He wants us to sack our current ambassador and replace him with someone more to his liking. He'll get his way too, I reckon.CD13 said:We're all acting very British here, and Trump's acting all American. It may go down well in the USA. They still expect us to be stiff and follow form. They pride themselves on not doing that.
"That Farage guy gets things done," may well be Trump's meaning. "That's why we get on."
Don't mistake everything Trump does as the act of a buffoon.
Farage was just a gambling chip for Trump.
They went all-in on a Clinton win and lost.
(Snip)
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And look how that turned out.tlg86 said:0 -
Possibly not. But that's a very different thing to what you said above.another_richard said:
Do you really think that the British establishment wanted Trump to win ?JosiasJessop said:
Evidence, please.another_richard said:
The British establishment is in a weak light.Jonathan said:
Paints Britain in a very weak light.logical_song said:
Trump says extreme things, not expecting them to happen but to get the subject on the table. He wants us to sack our current ambassador and replace him with someone more to his liking. He'll get his way too, I reckon.CD13 said:We're all acting very British here, and Trump's acting all American. It may go down well in the USA. They still expect us to be stiff and follow form. They pride themselves on not doing that.
"That Farage guy gets things done," may well be Trump's meaning. "That's why we get on."
Don't mistake everything Trump does as the act of a buffoon.
Farage was just a gambling chip for Trump.
They went all-in on a Clinton win and lost.
(Snip)
So I guess the answer is no: you don't have any evidence.0 -
Simon Richards
Another US tech giant has announced a major UK expansion https://t.co/AbBe8aoOPx via @CityAM0 -
And then we discovered that he was possibly the worst Tory PM since Anthony Eden, even surpassing Heath in the incompetence stakes.tlg86 said:0 -
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Do we now need Trump's permission to get rid of our own ambassadors? Nothing stopping us getting rid of the current ambassador if we want to.GeoffM said:
The US ambassador to the UK?Pulpstar said:Does anyone know who the current US ambassador is ?
I certainly don't.
We should not rule it out at this stage. It is both an opportunity and a threat.
That's a Democrat fundraiser and activist called Barzun who bought his way into the job.
wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Barzun
Our ambassador to them is a Blairite career EUphilic diplomat with a background in zoology.
This is a great chance to get shot of both of them.
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It's interesting to see the intersection of people who screamed 'sovereignty!' during the referendum and those who applaud Trump's comments.
You can also add in another set: the people who criticised the judges over A50.
It's sovereignty, but not as we know it ...0 -
If we want to do the deal with the US after Brexit I think we're going to have to accept Farage is "the man" unfortunately.
We put all our eggs in the Clinton basket... And lost! Time to suck it up.0 -
Perhaps Trump has just killed Brexit, for that very reason.GIN1138 said:If we want to do the deal with the US after Brexit I think we're going to have to accept Farage is "the man" unfortunately.
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Doubt it. We voted to LEAVE in the referendum and leave we shall.williamglenn said:
Perhaps Trump has just killed Brexit, for that very reason.GIN1138 said:If we want to do the deal with the US after Brexit I think we're going to have to accept Farage is "the man" unfortunately.
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It's catnip to them. They can't resist it.brokenwheel said:ttps://www.twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/800957950818816000
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The real question is would the EU delivering an enforced hard Brexit bring in the law of unintended consequences? Could a hard Brexit in fact encourage others to leave rather than stop them?AlastairMeeks said:Meanwhile, here's Charles Grant's take on how the EU is shaping up to deal with Brexit:
https://twitter.com/patrickwintour/status/800968433710075904
Patrick Wintour
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@patrickwintour
http://www.cer.org.uk/insights/brussels-prepares-hard-brexit …
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It doesn't make for comfortable reading.
If it is a soft Brexit, others may look, shrug and say not worth the effort and pain to be in a place that is EU lite.
If it is a hard Brexit then any other leavers will find a willing party with the 5th largest economy in the world on the doorstep willing to make a quick trade deal. Other members may look and say, UK is there, they will be a friend, they have survived OK, so there is no fear in leaving.
Unintended consequences are often obvious if you look for them. I could see circumstances where an enforced hard Brexit would be fulfilling the criteria and thus result in speeding up the loss of other members from the EU.0
