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it will all be forgotten when the next episode of Strictly comes on - was Susanna's cha cha cha better then Rachel's paso doble ?tim said:Alanbrooke said:
tim you pillock it's all forgotten about. You've been ranting on about the blackshirts in the Daily Mail and Ralph singlehandedly invading occupied Europe. The tories have announced loads of inititaives that any competent opposition could have torn apart. But we've had Ed and his family hang ups instead.tim said:Apparently there's a Tory Conference going on, so let's not forget the most dangerous policy of all
By March 2012 up to 45 per cent of those borrowers who had taken out a mortgage since 2005 had become mortgage prisoners – people who have a mortgage but either are in negative equity, don’t earn enough or don’t have sufficient savings to move to a different mortgage provider. Many cannot sell their homes because they wouldn’t be able to raise the funds to buy another.
This figure may be even higher for former first-time buyers – the FSA estimated that 55 per cent could be mortgage prisoners and that these borrowers “may not be able to remortgage for a better deal or move house.” Sadly, Osborne’s attempt at rescuing this group will merely end up fuelling even greater over-valuation in the housing market. It also delays the inevitable day of reckoning: when interest rates finally go up after the election, house prices will start to fall.
When that happens, Osborne’s hopes of a budget surplus will, tragically, vanish in yet another black hole of his own making.
- See more at: http://www.cityam.com/article/1380674766/us-politicians-need-grow-growth-shut-down#sthash.OKZPoH89.ELugbsEk.dpuf
Yes it's all gone so badly.
Why has nobody outside the PB Tories (lower leagues) noticed just what a terrible miscalculation has been made?
Intospective Ed has decided to make himself the story which suggests it's a weak man trying to look tough. In the meantime no-one challenges government announcements: free breadmakers for fops and dandies, pet porpoises for bankers, open borders for latvian homophobes. Really anything goes since the opposition isn't up to the job.
Labour have chosen to make Ed the story and that's because they have to.0 -
Also the BBC's venerated Lord Reith ;Plato said:Daniel Hannan @DanHannanMEP
Never mind the Mail. I had no idea that the Daily Mirror had backed the Blackshirts. http://t.co/AgCdqy2jxk
And that's what happens when you start throwing stones.
" In 1975 excerpts from Reith's diary were published which showed he had, during the 1930s, harboured pro-fascist views. On 9 March 1933 he wrote: “I am pretty certain ... that the Nazis will clean things up and put Germany on the way to being a real power in Europe again. They are being ruthless and most determined.” After the July 1934 Night of The Long Knives, in which the Nazis ruthlessly exterminated their internal dissidents, Reith wrote: “I really admire the way Hitler has cleaned up what looked like an incipient revolt.” After Czechoslovakia was invaded by the Nazis in 1939 he wrote: “Hitler continues his magnificent efficiency.” Reith also expressed admiration for Mussolini. Reith's daughter, Marista Leishman, revealed how her father in the 1930s did everything possible to keep Winston Churchill and other anti-appeasement Conservatives off the airwaves. "
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What? Hatred? What are you on?MikeSmithson said:
I have a problem with their biased political coverage and the compulsory TV Tax - and I have a problem with poor standards of care in the NHS but agree it should be free at the point of use.
I don't think my views are *hatred* or in fact that unusual at all.
Wasn't the Mirror a Tory paper in those days?Plato said:Daniel Hannan @DanHannanMEP
Never mind the Mail. I had no idea that the Daily Mirror had backed the Blackshirts. http://t.co/AgCdqy2jxk
And that's what happens when you start throwing stones.
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The Mail may have gone too far but certainly in the Times - most readers think it was legitimate to bring it up and it was EdM who made his dad a pawn in the game after mentioning him repeatedly.FrancisUrquhart said:I do wonder about the IQ level of journalists...
Tasked with doing a number of Miliband, if the Mail journo had just run a piece that had said Ralph Miliband had some (especially by modern standards) extreme left wing views and [not justifying this] but made some comparisons in regards to Ed's latest ideas, surely they get the same effect on the hatchet job, and little that Ed could really complain about.
Instead they have managed to produce no real proof for the headline and allows Ed to take the moral high ground.
It is like the Sun running with Gordo's spelling mistake...actually what they could have run with was Brown just lying through his teeth to the widow, which actually shows his truth character when presented with a mistake of his own making.
Instead again the focus was on the ridiculous attack on somebody making a spelling mistake, not the fact that when he phoned up the woman up, rather than say sorry I made a mistake how can I make up for it [which if he had done, would have made him look just like Ed in this case], he ended up denying everything and arguing black was white for 5 minutes.
I'm not particularly exercised by it - but I think EdM should have left it to others to attack the Mail, wading in himself looks thin-skinned and a bit sinister re press regulation - which is what the Mail wanted.0 -
Susannah Reid's cha cha cha works for me every morning.Alanbrooke said:
it will all be forgotten when the next episode of Strictly comes on - was Susanna's cha cha cha better then Rachel's paso doble ?tim said:Alanbrooke said:
tim you pillock it's all forgotten about. You've been ranting on about the blackshirts in the Daily Mail and Ralph singlehandedly invading occupied Europe. The tories have announced loads of inititaives that any competent opposition could have torn apart. But we've had Ed and his family hang ups instead.tim said:Apparently there's a Tory Conference going on, so let's not forget the most dangerous policy of all
By March 2012 up to 45 per cent of those borrowers who had taken out a mortgage since 2005 had become mortgage prisoners – people who have a mortgage but either are in negative equity, don’t earn enough or don’t have sufficient savings to move to a different mortgage provider. Many cannot sell their homes because they wouldn’t be able to raise the funds to buy another.
This figure may be even higher for former first-time buyers – the FSA estimated that 55 per cent could be mortgage prisoners and that these borrowers “may not be able to remortgage for a better deal or move house.” Sadly, Osborne’s attempt at rescuing this group will merely end up fuelling even greater over-valuation in the housing market. It also delays the inevitable day of reckoning: when interest rates finally go up after the election, house prices will start to fall.
When that happens, Osborne’s hopes of a budget surplus will, tragically, vanish in yet another black hole of his own making.
- See more at: http://www.cityam.com/article/1380674766/us-politicians-need-grow-growth-shut-down#sthash.OKZPoH89.ELugbsEk.dpuf
Yes it's all gone so badly.
Why has nobody outside the PB Tories (lower leagues) noticed just what a terrible miscalculation has been made?
Intospective Ed has decided to make himself the story which suggests it's a weak man trying to look tough. In the meantime no-one challenges government announcements: free breadmakers for fops and dandies, pet porpoises for bankers, open borders for latvian homophobes. Really anything goes since the opposition isn't up to the job.
Labour have chosen to make Ed the story and that's because they have to.0 -
I disagreed with Plato's interpretation of Ralphgate but she is correct this morning about one of the consequences - after all the blather, and it doesn't make it acceptable (what in journalism/politics is), there will be some kind of a residualMikeSmithson said:
"Milliband...Labour...can't quite remember...family...cut from the same cloth...nice bloke after all...Marxist...ooh-er..." feeling.
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I am sure that Ralph Miliband's views on nationality and identity cannot be reduced to some tabloid splash, or soundbite. They were almost certainly more nuanced and complex than that.ThomasNashe said:BTW: Ralph Miliband was, apparently a famed political writer. Surely Ed and co can find quotes in his copious works where he expresses a love for his adopted country? Where he says how much he admires it? That would have been a much better defence than the one Ed played. Fight a quote from his father as a 17-year old with ones from an older, maturer man.
Considering that Ed is the only person that knows what they were or has ever read any of them , who gives a jot. Ed is still crap and nobody but him cares about his late father, if he cannot take the flak then find a job outside politics.0 -
Certainly power stations and new drugs require a lot of investment but there are many new businesses, web-based in particular, that still start from a very small base. And big business and investor elites are not a particularly modern phenomenon - consider, for example, the USA in the 19th century. It is possible to be supportive of business and enterprise whilst at the same time challenging abuses of market power, as the USA did with the anti-trust laws. There is a perception at the moment that abuses of market power are worse than they used to be - this may be due to the pressure on people's living standards or it may be because the abuses really are worse, but the upshot is that EdM's challenge to corporate power strikes a chord, which it would not have done 10 or 20 years ago.JosiasJessop said:
However: you cannot have capitalism in the modern world without big business or institutional investor elites. Capitalism thrives on innovation, and we're a long way away from the times when a man in his garage could develop world-changing items such as the light bulb or TV. Research and development costs money, and that means big business and big investors.
When a new (conventional) power station costs a billion to develop, or a new drug two billion, we're far away from the small-investor ideal. Only government or big business can do it, with the problems they bring.
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@WelshBertie –“I'm also curious at the attempts on twitter to paint the article as being anti-semitic in tone. It's as if the left have collectively gone full retard on this.”
It’s a default setting for some – You see it again with the constant references to fascism
Damn the Mail if you will for what it publishes now. But Rothermere the Second, Rothermere the Third (Vere) and now Rothermere the Fourth (Jonathan) cannot be held responsible for the views of the first of their line.
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Hague on HIGNFY way back - I hope when he retires he gets his own TV show
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I don't think Cameron's speech will make much difference, because there won't be much in it. After all the government have the autumn statement in November (or December?) with more guaranteed news coverage when Osborne will have higher than expected growth figures to throw money at things.0
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In the same way that Sarah "Plato" Palin's connecting Obama with socialism worked presumably?TOPPING said:
I disagreed with Plato's interpretation of Ralphgate but she is correct this morning about one of the consequences - after all the blather, and it doesn't make it acceptable (what in journalism/politics is), there will be some kind of a residualMikeSmithson said:
"Milliband...Labour...can't quite remember...family...cut from the same cloth...nice bloke after all...Marxist...ooh-er..." feeling.
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Preferably in some far off place where we do not need to see his ugly mush or hear his irritating voicePlato said:Hague on HIGNFY way back - I hope when he retires he gets his own TV show
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Clearly because they lack the class and insight of someone such as yourself.WelshBertie said:It's as if the left have collectively gone full retard on this.
Why can't they see what fools they are making of themselves as they dig deeper and deeper? It's a complete mystery it is.0 -
Scotland?malcolmg said:
Preferably in some far off place where we do not need to see his ugly mush or hear his irritating voicePlato said:Hague on HIGNFY way back - I hope when he retires he gets his own TV show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OpY16SzdEGk
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Ed had to act. Anyone with a pulse would defend their dead father against such a smear. Even Plato, I would imagine would not take kindly to her father being labelled evil.
If he had done nothing, he could have ended up like Dukakis in '88 when challenged on the Death penalty.0 -
The Weimar Republic was such a basket-case and the post-1929 Depression so awful in so many countries - particularly on the back of The Great War and the subsequent 'flu pandemic - that it's no surprise that Hitler's Nazi Party received a great deal of international admiration in the period 1932-1937/8(ish) when Germany was seen to be united, growing, had a clear sense of national identity and was modernising its own infrastructure in a way which we (as always!) had singularly failed to do.MonikerDiCanio said:
Also the BBC's venerated Lord Reith ;Plato said:Daniel Hannan @DanHannanMEP
Never mind the Mail. I had no idea that the Daily Mirror had backed the Blackshirts. http://t.co/AgCdqy2jxk
And that's what happens when you start throwing stones.
" In 1975 excerpts from Reith's diary were published which showed he had, during the 1930s, harboured pro-fascist views. On 9 March 1933 he wrote: “I am pretty certain ... that the Nazis will clean things up and put Germany on the way to being a real power in Europe again. They are being ruthless and most determined.” After the July 1934 Night of The Long Knives, in which the Nazis ruthlessly exterminated their internal dissidents, Reith wrote: “I really admire the way Hitler has cleaned up what looked like an incipient revolt.” After Czechoslovakia was invaded by the Nazis in 1939 he wrote: “Hitler continues his magnificent efficiency.” Reith also expressed admiration for Mussolini. Reith's daughter, Marista Leishman, revealed how her father in the 1930s did everything possible to keep Winston Churchill and other anti-appeasement Conservatives off the airwaves. "
Britain also had its own unique problems too: Ireland, India - and votes for women!
It's true that a national grid for electricity was rolled out during this time, so that the vast majority of homes were electrified by 1939, whilst very few were in 1918 (I recall someone posted the data on that on here some months ago) and I know that gas mains were upgraded and improved around many towns too, specifically to create work for the unemployed.
It takes a lot of men to dig a long trench entirely by hand, but the work was done a great deal faster than we seem able to do today - 25+ years to build a (relatively) short length of railway? The Victorians would have done it in well under 10 - though also well over budget!0 -
If you're a Paywaller - this is a brilliant history of news article Times report that took six years to reach the newspaper http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/arts/books/cheltenham-festival/article3884378.ece
"...During the Russo-Japanese War of 1904-5, The Times was at the forefront of technological innovation when it became the first newspaper to use wireless telegraphy to cover a war. When a Russian torpedo flotilla was sunk trying to attack Port Arthur, Manchuria, Colonel James — who had the use of a specially kitted-out boat and a 180ft mast erected on shore — reported it to London before Japan even knew the attack had been made. Chartering a boat, and all the equipment, was an expensive business: it was calculated that James’s dispatches cost the paper 20 shillings (£1) a word. Which probably would not get past the managing editor these days.
The exclusive account by The Times of the opening of King Tutankhamun’s tomb in 1923 was another costly affair. With other Fleet Street papers vying to match our scoop, the correspondents in Luxor were spending money hand-over-fist, with The Times racking up an expenses bill of £3,500 — equivalent to £137,000 today. “The expenses are the devil,” our correspondent, Harry Perry Robinson, wrote to his manager. “The amount of money that goes in daily boat and donkey hire is horrid.”
Kim Philby, a Times correspondent before he was discovered to be a Soviet spy, submitted a legendary expenses claim when he lost his belongings while covering the retreat from Amiens in May 1940. It included a suit, a camelhair overcoat, pigskin gloves, a cigarette lighter and a Dunhill pipe and pouch (“six years old but all the better for it”). His claim was for £100 and 16 shillings; in the great newspaper tradition, he got £70 of it.0 -
Apropos of nothing.Plato said:If you're a Paywaller - this is a brilliant history of news article Times report that took six years to reach the newspaper http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/arts/books/cheltenham-festival/article3884378.ece
"...During the Russo-Japanese War of 1904-5, The Times was at the forefront of technological innovation when it became the first newspaper to use wireless telegraphy to cover a war. When a Russian torpedo flotilla was sunk trying to attack Port Arthur, Manchuria, Colonel James — who had the use of a specially kitted-out boat and a 180ft mast erected on shore — reported it to London before Japan even knew the attack had been made. Chartering a boat, and all the equipment, was an expensive business: it was calculated that James’s dispatches cost the paper 20 shillings (£1) a word. Which probably would not get past the managing editor these days.
The exclusive account by The Times of the opening of King Tutankhamun’s tomb in 1923 was another costly affair. With other Fleet Street papers vying to match our scoop, the correspondents in Luxor were spending money hand-over-fist, with The Times racking up an expenses bill of £3,500 — equivalent to £137,000 today. “The expenses are the devil,” our correspondent, Harry Perry Robinson, wrote to his manager. “The amount of money that goes in daily boat and donkey hire is horrid.”
Kim Philby, a Times correspondent before he was discovered to be a Soviet spy, submitted a legendary expenses claim when he lost his belongings while covering the retreat from Amiens in May 1940. It included a suit, a camelhair overcoat, pigskin gloves, a cigarette lighter and a Dunhill pipe and pouch (“six years old but all the better for it”). His claim was for £100 and 16 shillings; in the great newspaper tradition, he got £70 of it.
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Ed's gone from Mr Bean to Stalin in a week. Not bad0
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He was, is, and will always remain, a Grommitless Wallace (see numerous cartoons)Roger said:Ed's gone from Mr Bean to Stalin in a week. Not bad
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I would disagree on the long term. In May 2015, many voters will be deciding specifically on Dave V Ed, the vast majority will not follow politics closely and all that will have filtered through from this story, (if anything), will be Miliband = extreme left.DavidL said:Anyone who thinks this row helps the tories now, short term, medium term or long term is deluded.
The Daily Mail has achieved what the spin doctors of Labour could not and for which previous evidence was scanty at best. They have made Ed look like a human being.
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Paywall doesn't cost nothing which is presumably why those who operate it are not overfond of their articles being slapped onto other people's websites wholesale.Bobajob said:
Apropos of nothing.Plato said:If you're a Paywaller - this is a brilliant history of news article Times report that took six years to reach the newspaper http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/arts/books/cheltenham-festival/article3884378.ece
"...During the Russo-Japanese War of 1904-5, The Times was at the forefront of technological innovation when it became the first newspaper to use wireless telegraphy to cover a war. When a Russian torpedo flotilla was sunk trying to attack Port Arthur, Manchuria, Colonel James — who had the use of a specially kitted-out boat and a 180ft mast erected on shore — reported it to London before Japan even knew the attack had been made. Chartering a boat, and all the equipment, was an expensive business: it was calculated that James’s dispatches cost the paper 20 shillings (£1) a word. Which probably would not get past the managing editor these days.
The exclusive account by The Times of the opening of King Tutankhamun’s tomb in 1923 was another costly affair. With other Fleet Street papers vying to match our scoop, the correspondents in Luxor were spending money hand-over-fist, with The Times racking up an expenses bill of £3,500 — equivalent to £137,000 today. “The expenses are the devil,” our correspondent, Harry Perry Robinson, wrote to his manager. “The amount of money that goes in daily boat and donkey hire is horrid.”
Kim Philby, a Times correspondent before he was discovered to be a Soviet spy, submitted a legendary expenses claim when he lost his belongings while covering the retreat from Amiens in May 1940. It included a suit, a camelhair overcoat, pigskin gloves, a cigarette lighter and a Dunhill pipe and pouch (“six years old but all the better for it”). His claim was for £100 and 16 shillings; in the great newspaper tradition, he got £70 of it.
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Did Obama self-identify as a socialist?Bobajob said:
In the same way that Sarah "Plato" Palin's connecting Obama with socialism worked presumably?TOPPING said:
I disagreed with Plato's interpretation of Ralphgate but she is correct this morning about one of the consequences - after all the blather, and it doesn't make it acceptable (what in journalism/politics is), there will be some kind of a residualMikeSmithson said:
"Milliband...Labour...can't quite remember...family...cut from the same cloth...nice bloke after all...Marxist...ooh-er..." feeling.
It will to some degree aid the return of the Kippers at GE2015.0 -
Scotland?malcolmg said:
Preferably in some far off place where we do not need to see his ugly mush or hear his irritating voicePlato said:Hague on HIGNFY way back - I hope when he retires he gets his own TV show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OpY16SzdEGk
He could be made Viceroy.0 -
What is this "British" NHS of which yee doth bespoke...?MikeSmithson said:Your hatred of British institutions is well known, particularly the BBC and NHS.
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Just a hunch, nothing substantial behind it: In his speech, Cameron will produce a rabbit called Boris out of a hat.0
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Perhaps gulags for slags will be coming back ?Roger said:Ed's gone from Mr Bean to Stalin in a week. Not bad
I think the main message this week is that Labour are shrillest on personal attacks and quietest on the big issues - ie the economy.
Its party before country - time after time - generation after generation.
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Good News for the post socialist economy
Markit have just published their Construction PMI for September and the march of the housebuilders gathers pace:
Housing construction activity increases at fastest pace for almost a decade
Key points:
• Strong overall construction output growth continues in September
• Residential construction rises at sharpest rate since November 2003
• Optimism about business outlook reaches highest since April 2010
Although residential construction led the way (highest output since 2003), commercial construction was also up (best rate since May 2012) with civil engineering a little off its August high. Construction employment also continued a four month rise, expanding at its sharpest level since December 2007.
Overall the Markit PMI was 58.9 a shade under the August level of 59.1. With yesterday's manufacturing PMI being 57.1 over August's 57.2, it does appear that although the summer growth rates may have peaked the follow on is more plateau than decline.0 -
Exactly. And a very large proportion of those Kippers are Mail readers (the rest are Telegraph readers).TOPPING said:It will to some degree aid the return of the Kippers at GE2015.
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Of late EdM has shown his true colours.Roger said:Ed's gone from Mr Bean to Stalin in a week. Not bad
Anti Free Press.
Anti Free Markets.
Anti Private Property.
He is now , in plain view , a declared enemy of freedom and privacy , like Stalin and other totalitarian menaces to humanity.
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RichardNabavi said:
Just a hunch, nothing substantial behind it: In his speech, Cameron will produce a rabbit called Boris out of a hat.
Plan B?
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Shut down the debate, just go off whinning to Press Complaints Commission.
BBC - Press Complaints Commission has received 32 complaints about Daily Mail's articles about Labour leader Ed Miliband's father.
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@SO
"As the director of a small business I hope Cameron does talk about aspiration and profit today in more than just vanilla terms."
Having been in big business but now helping SMEs. I basically agree with your aspirations, but if in any politician's shoes I would really struggle to give a finite route to the path for defined growth.
Aspiration is something that as a nation and for many people personally is something that has been lost today. I find that young people are just as aspirational as ever, but in some areas there is an inverted snobbery. Last week, I witnessed some new sixth-formers being told by their teacher not to think of applying to O&C or any high Russell Group universities as "it was above their class", and this is not uncommon in many schools.
Yet SMEs are constantly struggling to find new employees with the required skill sets, mainly due to years of a deficient education system that has slipped well behind leading global standards.
Profit is essential to the growth of any business in a capitalist system. We reinvest about 25% of our profit into R&D and about 50% into market development. We could do more but for Employer's NI and I would like to see all businesses with under 20 employees exempt from that tax. Then we could employ 10% more people.
The other stumbling block is cash flow. As more of our business is outside of Western Europe we have to finance more credit. At present the UK banking system is not prepared to supply the required finance.
Global competition means that our pricing has to be competitive (that includes credit terms) and potential Asian competitors with a lower cost base are rapidly improving their skill sets.
At present I do not have an answer as to how the UK will employ the large number of people who are unemployed and unemployable due to their lack of required skills and a bad education and suffering from the joint impact of IT and globalisation.
SO, if you are willing I would like to correspond with you outside PB - Mike S will let you have my email address if you ask him.
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A question that ICM ought to ask themselves. Their assumption is that come rain or shine 0% of 2010 LD don't knows will vote Lab.Financier said:So YouGov has Labour leads of 11,6,10. Is there any identifiable cause for this variation and which is/are the outlier/s?
The only clue comes from the current VI of the 2010 Voters and specifically that of the LDs. Con and LAB 2010ers show little variation.
In the ST Poll: 2010 LDs voted:
Con: 8; LAB:42; LD:33; UKIP:10; Others:7. DK=18%
In Yesterday's poll, 2010 LDs voted:
Con:12; LAB:35; LD:39; UKIP:8; Other:6. DK=19%
In todays Poll: 2010 LDs voted:
Con:10; LAB:38; LD:32; UKIP:13; Other:7. DK=19%
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This is interesting
RT @thetimes: 53% of consumers say they have bought counterfeit goods thetim.es/1fI8bvc | Graphic: pic.twitter.com/H8VAT4uSOn
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General Election @UKELECTIONS2015
According to @PopulusPolls the #BNP is half as popular as #UKIP and the #GreenParty has more support than both.
ukgeneralelection2015.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/how-po…0 -
@Plato
'Daniel Hannan @DanHannanMEP
Never mind the Mail. I had no idea that the Daily Mirror had backed the Blackshirts. http://t.co/AgCdqy2jxk
So we can expect 45 minute warning Comical Ali back on Newsnight this evening attacking smears against the Daily Mirror?0 -
Not just a hunch. It's already been hinted at by a few westminster political editors.RichardNabavi said:Just a hunch, nothing substantial behind it: In his speech, Cameron will produce a rabbit called Boris out of a hat.
As to what kind of rabbit Boris would involve.. (we'll save save the obvious comedy for later) there was also talk a while back about the current inadequacies of the tory chairmen situation.The Tories will never triumph with five chairmen at the helm
Cart before horse perhaps but a possibility nonetheless.
The party organisation is a total mess – but London Mayor Boris Johnson could restore clarity
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/10130132/The-Tories-will-never-triumph-with-five-chairmen-at-the-helm.html
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You could say that!Jonathan said:
Plan B?0 -
How many were complaining that the Mail went too easy on Ralph ?dr_spyn said:Shut down the debate, just go off whinning to Press Complaints Commission.
BBC - Press Complaints Commission has received 32 complaints about Daily Mail's articles about Labour leader Ed Miliband's father.
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I wonder who has been rushing off to be 'outraged' of NW1 about the article. As for the Twitter stand up for Labour Decency, took them quite a bit of time to deal with Dancing on Thatcher's grave t shirts.TGOHF said:
How many were complaining that the Mail went too easy on Ralph ?dr_spyn said:Shut down the debate, just go off whinning to Press Complaints Commission.
BBC - Press Complaints Commission has received 32 complaints about Daily Mail's articles about Labour leader Ed Miliband's father.
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Not with Godfrey Bloom I'm assuming. ;^ )tim said:
Not much to choose in the polls between how much Kippers dislike Cameron and Miliband, the moment has passed for Dave to reverse his slur that UKIP are racists I suspect.RichardNabavi said:
Exactly. And a very large proportion of those Kippers are Mail readers (the rest are Telegraph readers).TOPPING said:It will to some degree aid the return of the Kippers at GE2015.
Although while Cameron is -50 among Kippers Theresa May is +5 isn't she?
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As usual you understate the case, Moniker. He is much, much worse than Stalin.MonikerDiCanio said:
He is now , in plain view , a declared enemy of freedom and privacy , like Stalin and other totalitarian menaces to humanity.0 -
Don't know why Reith bothered.MonikerDiCanio said:
Also the BBC's venerated Lord Reith ;
"Reith also expressed admiration for Mussolini. Reith's daughter, Marista Leishman, revealed how her father in the 1930s did everything possible to keep Winston Churchill and other anti-appeasement Conservatives off the airwaves. "
'If I had been an Italian, I am sure I would have been entirely with you from the beginning to the end of your victorious struggle against the bestial appetites and passions of Leninism.' To Benito Mussolini in a press conference in Rome (January 1927)
'One may dislike Hitler's system and yet admire his patriotic achievement. If our country were defeated, I hope we should find a champion as indomitable to restore our courage and lead us back to our place among the nations.' "Hitler and His Choice", The Strand Magazine (November 1935)
'I have always said that if Great Britain were defeated in war I hoped we should find a Hitler to lead us back to our rightful position among the nations. I am sorry, however, that he has not been mellowed by the great success that has attended him. The whole world would rejoice to see the Hitler of peace and tolerance, and nothing would adorn his name in world history so much as acts of magnanimity and of mercy and of pity to the forlorn and friendless, to the weak and poor. ... Let this great man search his own heart and conscience before he accuses anyone of being a warmonger.' "Mr. Churchill's Reply" in The Times (7 November 1938)
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Why football pundits shouldn't talk about politics
Gary Lineker @GaryLineker
Only a matter of time before Dacre resigns. It's what he would demand of another in this situation. Unless of course he's a hypocrite.0 -
Eva "Plato" Braun?Plato said:Why football pundits shouldn't talk about politics
Gary Lineker @GaryLineker
Only a matter of time before Dacre resigns. It's what he would demand of another in this situation. Unless of course he's a hypocrite.
Only kidding!
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Yes it like every left wing idiot is ignoring the basic fact - that a marxist is a traitor and wants to commit treason (all for the greater good you know) and that by default they have to hate this country otherwise they wouldn't be trying to remove the monarchy & overthrow the government.WelshBertie said:I still can't quite understand the faux outrage about an article outlining that a marxist academic was actually a marxist.
I'm also curious at the attempts on twitter to paint the article as being anti-semitic in tone. It's as if the left have collectively gone full retard on this.
Watching Ed lie on tv unchallenged was so infuriating. Anyone on the right trying for that level of disingenuity would have been interrupted every 30 seconds!
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A Marxist has the same basic desire as Conservative or a Liberal, to build a society that benefits people. Now, you and I (and pretty much every person in the world) recognises that Marxism basically sucked. But don't doubt the sincerity of the believers: they genuinely thought it would be better for the people of the UK to live in a socialist paradise.megalomaniacs4u said:
Yes it like every left wing idiot is ignoring the basic fact - that a marxist is a traitor and wants to commit treason (all for the greater good you know) and that by default they have to hate this country otherwise they wouldn't be trying to remove the monarchy & overthrow the government.WelshBertie said:I still can't quite understand the faux outrage about an article outlining that a marxist academic was actually a marxist.
I'm also curious at the attempts on twitter to paint the article as being anti-semitic in tone. It's as if the left have collectively gone full retard on this.
Watching Ed lie on tv unchallenged was so infuriating. Anyone on the right trying for that level of disingenuity would have been interrupted every 30 seconds!0 -
Republicans and democrats are traitors now? Sounds like something only a right-wing idiot would think.megalomaniacs4u said:
Yes it like every left wing idiot is ignoring the basic fact - that a marxist is a traitor and wants to commit treason (all for the greater good you know) and that by default they have to hate this country otherwise they wouldn't be trying to remove the monarchy & overthrow the government.0 -
No, I think Lineker is right. It's only a matter of time before Dacre stops working for The Mail. As he's currently 64 (although looking pretty good for his age), I'd give him another five years or so.Plato said:Why football pundits shouldn't talk about politics
Gary Lineker @GaryLineker
Only a matter of time before Dacre resigns. It's what he would demand of another in this situation. Unless of course he's a hypocrite.
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Good morning, Comrades!Plato said:
That's a matter of opinion.Roger said:Ed's gone from Mr Bean to Stalin in a week. Not bad
The point is, ladies and gentlemen, that Ed, for lack of a better word, is good. Ed is right, Ed works. Ed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the (r)evolutionary spirit. Ed, in all of his forms; Ed for life, for money, for love, knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind. And Ed, you mark my words, will not only save the Labour Party, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the UK. Thank you very much.0 -
It is not double the risk.tim said:Financial Times @FT 3m
Good morning from London. Our most read story right now: Banks turn uneasy on Help to Buy http://on.ft.com/16gcpUP
Guess which the only banks backing Osbornes insane state backed mortgages are?
The two state backed banks!
Double the risk for the taxpayer from the genius Osborne.
Either the government is taking a share of this risk or the private-ish sector banks are taking it. Either way the risk exists.0 -
Who is Michael Newman?
RT @FreeThinkingUK: BBCQT line up: Owen Jones, Polly Toynbee, Neil Hamilton, Bonnie Greer, Michael Newman, Teresa May.0 -
The great Populus con, as published by UK GENERAL ELECTION 2015
Wednesday, 2 October 2013
HOW POPULUS WEIGHT THE PARTIES.
http://www.populus.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/OmOnline_Vote_30-09-2013_BPC.pdf
Q.4 Regardless of which party, if any, you are likely to end up voting for at the
next General Election due in May 2015 or are leaning towards at the moment,
which political party would you say you have usually most closely
identified yourself with?
Replies were
Labour 605 - 30%
Conservatives 521 - 26%
NONE 333 - 17%
UKIP 224 - 11%
Lib Dems 196 - 10%
Green 47 - 2%
SNP 43 - 2%
Another party 16 - 1%
BNP 13 - 1%
Plaid 8 -
So how do Populus redistribute those replies to make it a fair and even poll?
Here is how.
Unweighted numbers above become these weighted numbers below.
Labour 622 - 31%
Conservatives 562 - 28%
NONE 441 - 22%
Lib Dems 261 - 13%
SNP 35 - 2%
Green 34 - 2%
UKIP 20 - 1%
Another Party `13 - 1%
BNP 10 - 1%
Plaid 8
This is why I have started collecting REAL VOTES NOT OPINION POLLS
as it seems in the world of the pollster that UKIP has only double the support
of the BNP and only two thirds of the support of which the Green party has.
Populus also seem to believe that there is 30% more Lib Dems out there
as well as giving boosts to Lab & Con.
Make of this as you will, but be interesting to see if Populus change anything in
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Mick Twister @twitmericks
The PM, our government's head
When asked for the price of cheap bread
Said let them eat cake
(Or loaves that I make
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Jones, Toynbee and Greer all together.. that'll be a barrel of laughs..Plato said:Who is Michael Newman?
RT @FreeThinkingUK: BBCQT line up: Owen Jones, Polly Toynbee, Neil Hamilton, Bonnie Greer, Michael Newman, Teresa May.0 -
Bit of a sore point for Dacre (woe betide any hapless Mail journo who mentions retirement in his hearing) and put safer into the future by Steafel's comical and inept performance. It's still Rotheremere's call in the end and Dacre quite obviously wants to see current events through to their conclusion. Which will not be quick.rcs1000 said:
No, I think Lineker is right. It's only a matter of time before Dacre stops working for The Mail. As he's currently 64 (although looking pretty good for his age), I'd give him another five years or so.Plato said:Why football pundits shouldn't talk about politics
Gary Lineker @GaryLineker
Only a matter of time before Dacre resigns. It's what he would demand of another in this situation. Unless of course he's a hypocrite.
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I quite like Bonnie Greer - she was against the whole TwitterSilence thing and I give her brownie points for that.Slackbladder said:
Jones, Toynbee and Greer all together.. that'll be a barrel of laughs..Plato said:Who is Michael Newman?
RT @FreeThinkingUK: BBCQT line up: Owen Jones, Polly Toynbee, Neil Hamilton, Bonnie Greer, Michael Newman, Teresa May.0 -
Cast your deluded mind back to 1940. While Scots , Welsh , Ulstermen and Englishmen got on with the business of defeating fascism , future SNP leader , Donaldson , fantasised about Germany crushing England.Theuniondivvie said:
Don't know why Reith bothered.MonikerDiCanio said:
Also the BBC's venerated Lord Reith ;
"Reith also expressed admiration for Mussolini. Reith's daughter, Marista Leishman, revealed how her father in the 1930s did everything possible to keep Winston Churchill and other anti-appeasement Conservatives off the airwaves. "
'If I had been an Italian, I am sure I would have been entirely with you from the beginning to the end of your victorious struggle against the bestial appetites and passions of Leninism.' To Benito Mussolini in a press conference in Rome (January 1927)
'One may dislike Hitler's system and yet admire his patriotic achievement. If our country were defeated, I hope we should find a champion as indomitable to restore our courage and lead us back to our place among the nations.' "Hitler and His Choice", The Strand Magazine (November 1935)
'I have always said that if Great Britain were defeated in war I hoped we should find a Hitler to lead us back to our rightful position among the nations. I am sorry, however, that he has not been mellowed by the great success that has attended him. The whole world would rejoice to see the Hitler of peace and tolerance, and nothing would adorn his name in world history so much as acts of magnanimity and of mercy and of pity to the forlorn and friendless, to the weak and poor. ... Let this great man search his own heart and conscience before he accuses anyone of being a warmonger.' "Mr. Churchill's Reply" in The Times (7 November 1938)
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Oh i don't know tim, it never stops the PB Lefties and the site's all the funnier for it.tim said:
Oh you're back.Slackbladder said:
Jones, Toynbee and Greer all together.. that'll be a barrel of laughs..Plato said:Who is Michael Newman?
RT @FreeThinkingUK: BBCQT line up: Owen Jones, Polly Toynbee, Neil Hamilton, Bonnie Greer, Michael Newman, Teresa May.
Still not backed up your claim that Ralph Miliband was a Stalinist who supported the deaths of millions?
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I don't believe Sir Reginald was a marxist.0
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They should abolish the turgid sanctomonious Question Time , tell the 'up its arse' studio audience to get a proper job plumbing or plastering and replace it with a politician's Krypton Factor .Slackbladder said:
Jones, Toynbee and Greer all together.. that'll be a barrel of laughs..Plato said:Who is Michael Newman?
RT @FreeThinkingUK: BBCQT line up: Owen Jones, Polly Toynbee, Neil Hamilton, Bonnie Greer, Michael Newman, Teresa May.
Ed Miliband should be good on the assault course with his inherited armed forces genes. The observation round could be about the Home Secretary's speech and ask which colour shoes Theresa May was wearing. Would birds and old biddies still get a head start on the assault course though cos they are weak?0 -
maybe he bumped in to the young Ralph Miliband ?MonikerDiCanio said:
Cast your deluded mind back to 1940. While Scots , Welsh , Ulstermen and Englishmen got on with the business of defeating fascism , future SNP leader , Donaldson , fantasised about Germany crushing England.Theuniondivvie said:
Don't know why Reith bothered.MonikerDiCanio said:
Also the BBC's venerated Lord Reith ;
"Reith also expressed admiration for Mussolini. Reith's daughter, Marista Leishman, revealed how her father in the 1930s did everything possible to keep Winston Churchill and other anti-appeasement Conservatives off the airwaves. "
'If I had been an Italian, I am sure I would have been entirely with you from the beginning to the end of your victorious struggle against the bestial appetites and passions of Leninism.' To Benito Mussolini in a press conference in Rome (January 1927)
'One may dislike Hitler's system and yet admire his patriotic achievement. If our country were defeated, I hope we should find a champion as indomitable to restore our courage and lead us back to our place among the nations.' "Hitler and His Choice", The Strand Magazine (November 1935)
'I have always said that if Great Britain were defeated in war I hoped we should find a Hitler to lead us back to our rightful position among the nations. I am sorry, however, that he has not been mellowed by the great success that has attended him. The whole world would rejoice to see the Hitler of peace and tolerance, and nothing would adorn his name in world history so much as acts of magnanimity and of mercy and of pity to the forlorn and friendless, to the weak and poor. ... Let this great man search his own heart and conscience before he accuses anyone of being a warmonger.' "Mr. Churchill's Reply" in The Times (7 November 1938)0 -
Theuniondivvie said:
Don't know why Reith bothered.MonikerDiCanio said:
Also the BBC's venerated Lord Reith ;
"Reith also expressed admiration for Mussolini. Reith's daughter, Marista Leishman, revealed how her father in the 1930s did everything possible to keep Winston Churchill and other anti-appeasement Conservatives off the airwaves. "
'If I had been an Italian, I am sure I would have been entirely with you from the beginning to the end of your victorious struggle against the bestial appetites and passions of Leninism.' To Benito Mussolini in a press conference in Rome (January 1927)
'One may dislike Hitler's system and yet admire his patriotic achievement. If our country were defeated, I hope we should find a champion as indomitable to restore our courage and lead us back to our place among the nations.' "Hitler and His Choice", The Strand Magazine (November 1935)
'I have always said that if Great Britain were defeated in war I hoped we should find a Hitler to lead us back to our rightful position among the nations. I am sorry, however, that he has not been mellowed by the great success that has attended him. The whole world would rejoice to see the Hitler of peace and tolerance, and nothing would adorn his name in world history so much as acts of magnanimity and of mercy and of pity to the forlorn and friendless, to the weak and poor. ... Let this great man search his own heart and conscience before he accuses anyone of being a warmonger.' "Mr. Churchill's Reply" in The Times (7 November 1938)
Careful or you'll drive the fascist swivel-eyed loons into a frenzy.
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Indeed.tim said:WelshBertie said:
I'm also curious at the attempts on twitter to paint the article as being anti-semitic in tone. It's as if the left have collectively gone full retard on this.
The joy of PB.
Some of the PB Tories haven't been this unhinged and hilarious since last week at least.
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sic transit gloria mundi.Theuniondivvie said:
Don't know why Reith bothered.MonikerDiCanio said:
Also the BBC's venerated Lord Reith ;
"Reith also expressed admiration for Mussolini. Reith's daughter, Marista Leishman, revealed how her father in the 1930s did everything possible to keep Winston Churchill and other anti-appeasement Conservatives off the airwaves. "
'If I had been an Italian, I am sure I would have been entirely with you from the beginning to the end of your victorious struggle against the bestial appetites and passions of Leninism.' To Benito Mussolini in a press conference in Rome (January 1927)
'One may dislike Hitler's system and yet admire his patriotic achievement. If our country were defeated, I hope we should find a champion as indomitable to restore our courage and lead us back to our place among the nations.' "Hitler and His Choice", The Strand Magazine (November 1935)
'I have always said that if Great Britain were defeated in war I hoped we should find a Hitler to lead us back to our rightful position among the nations. I am sorry, however, that he has not been mellowed by the great success that has attended him. The whole world would rejoice to see the Hitler of peace and tolerance, and nothing would adorn his name in world history so much as acts of magnanimity and of mercy and of pity to the forlorn and friendless, to the weak and poor. ... Let this great man search his own heart and conscience before he accuses anyone of being a warmonger.' "Mr. Churchill's Reply" in The Times (7 November 1938)
If Adolf had popped his clogs at the end of 1938 he'd be in the pantheon of great Germans and still have streets and squares named after him.0 -
Glad to have your mate Tim back to cheer on Mick?Mick_Pork said:
Indeed.tim said:WelshBertie said:
I'm also curious at the attempts on twitter to paint the article as being anti-semitic in tone. It's as if the left have collectively gone full retard on this.
The joy of PB.
Some of the PB Tories haven't been this unhinged and hilarious since last week at least.
Comedy at it's finest.0 -
Rob Flello quits as Junior Shadow Minister (Justice). LabourList wonders if the reshuffle is starting0
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Yes tim, unlike you I don't feel the need to plug away on a betting site 16 hours every day.tim said:
Oh you're back.Slackbladder said:
Jones, Toynbee and Greer all together.. that'll be a barrel of laughs..Plato said:Who is Michael Newman?
RT @FreeThinkingUK: BBCQT line up: Owen Jones, Polly Toynbee, Neil Hamilton, Bonnie Greer, Michael Newman, Teresa May.
I have this thing called a 'life' away from here you see.
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There are times when pb and the commentariat seem to have gone collectively mad. This morning is one of those occasions. Has someone put LSD in the breadmaker?0
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Patrick Cusworth @Patriccus
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More amused by all the PB tory twits who couldn't stop talking about him when he wasn't posting.state_go_away said:
Glad to have your mate Tim back to cheer on Mick?Mick_Pork said:
Indeed.tim said:WelshBertie said:
I'm also curious at the attempts on twitter to paint the article as being anti-semitic in tone. It's as if the left have collectively gone full retard on this.
The joy of PB.
Some of the PB Tories haven't been this unhinged and hilarious since last week at least.
Comedy at it's finest.0 -
PB Tories grrrrrrMick_Pork said:
More amused by all the PB tory twits who couldn't stop talking about him when he wasn't posting.state_go_away said:
Glad to have your mate Tim back to cheer on Mick?Mick_Pork said:
Indeed.tim said:WelshBertie said:
I'm also curious at the attempts on twitter to paint the article as being anti-semitic in tone. It's as if the left have collectively gone full retard on this.
The joy of PB.
Some of the PB Tories haven't been this unhinged and hilarious since last week at least.
Comedy at it's finest.0 -
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how will we ever know ? If only Stalin were still alive we could put him and Ed in a Strictly dance off and let the viewers decide.Neil said:
Maybe you're the one who is mad if you never realised that Ed was worse than Stalin?antifrank said:There are times when pb and the commentariat seem to have gone collectively mad. This morning is one of those occasions. Has someone put LSD in the breadmaker?
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I'd rather be a PB Tory than a nitwit like @MickP0rk.state_go_away said:
PB Tories grrrrrrMick_Pork said:
More amused by all the PB tory twits who couldn't stop talking about him when he wasn't posting.state_go_away said:
Glad to have your mate Tim back to cheer on Mick?Mick_Pork said:
Indeed.tim said:WelshBertie said:
I'm also curious at the attempts on twitter to paint the article as being anti-semitic in tone. It's as if the left have collectively gone full retard on this.
The joy of PB.
Some of the PB Tories haven't been this unhinged and hilarious since last week at least.
Comedy at it's finest.0 -
Interesting if it is. Could be quite a good time for it piling yet more news into a schedule already squeezing the tory conference into second place at the moment. It won't have escaped little Ed that today is Cammie's big speech either.AndreaParma_82 said:Rob Flello quits as Junior Shadow Minister (Justice). LabourList wonders if the reshuffle is starting
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RT @Jamielyons #cpc13 delegate just refused to take her coat off at security as she was only wearing knickers & bra underneath
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Indeed - to stir the Labour party into action you have to attack them, their paymasters or their luvvie media mates.Plato said:Patrick Cusworth @Patriccus
Labour claims that “more people than any other issue” got in touch to oppose the Daily Mail piece. Doesn’t say much for their policies.
Bank crash and load up the country with debts ? No big deal - no apology required.
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Do Ladbrokes have a price on whether Dave will begin his speech...
."Comrades, Blue Army and Blue Navy men, commanders and political instructors, men and women workers, men and women collective farmers, intellectuals, brothers and sisters in the enemy rear who have temporarily fallen under the yoke of the Miliband brigands, our glorious men and women guerrillas who are disrupting the rear of the Socialist invaders!
On behalf of the Coalition Government and our Tory Party I greet you and congratulate you on the 179th anniversary of the great October Conservative Revolution."0 -
Why would Darce resign - he's doing his job - well it seems.Plato said:Why football pundits shouldn't talk about politics
Gary Lineker @GaryLineker
Only a matter of time before Dacre resigns. It's what he would demand of another in this situation. Unless of course he's a hypocrite.0 -
I'd rather know something about politics than be a comically incompetent tory spinner like yourself. Stick to posting about cats or pretending you are a libertarian "serial labour voting" "floating voter".Plato said:
I'd rather be a PB Tory than a nitwit like @MickP0rk.state_go_away said:
PB Tories grrrrrrMick_Pork said:
More amused by all the PB tory twits who couldn't stop talking about him when he wasn't posting.state_go_away said:
Glad to have your mate Tim back to cheer on Mick?Mick_Pork said:
Indeed.tim said:WelshBertie said:
I'm also curious at the attempts on twitter to paint the article as being anti-semitic in tone. It's as if the left have collectively gone full retard on this.
The joy of PB.
Some of the PB Tories haven't been this unhinged and hilarious since last week at least.
Comedy at it's finest.0 -
Not that I can see, but ask them to quote and on past experience they'll offer you 10/1.AveryLP said:Do Ladbrokes have a price on whether Dave will begin his speech...
."Comrades, Blue Army and Blue Navy men, commanders and political instructors, men and women workers, men and women collective farmers, intellectuals, brothers and sisters in the enemy rear who have temporarily fallen under the yoke of the Miliband brigands, our glorious men and women guerrillas who are disrupting the rear of the Socialist invaders!
On behalf of the Coalition Government and our Tory Party I greet you and congratulate you on the 179th anniversary of the great October Conservative Revolution."
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@AndreaParma_82
Pennycook also has waaay more supporters listed on his website than Len. Maybe Unite have picked a winner for once?0 -
The basic premise of the article was always wrong ie Ed is defined by an ongoing need to "do right" by his late dad. Tony Benn was always very supportive of Hilary even though his son's arch Blairist tendencies must have grated on the old socialist. Ralph M grew up in a very different world and I suspect the Mail has done Ed a huge favour - the public have seen photos of a normal looking young lad next to his father, heard about his Dad's early life in the war years and seen a strong performance at the Labour conference, all of which will help shake off Ed's previous geeky and unfortunate image . After the doubts posed by the Syria business and an awkward pre-conference on Marr (although we now know he was saving his fire) the last 9 days have indeed been a potential game changer.
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I have an inkling that may be a shade too short, antifrank.antifrank said:
Not that I can see, but ask them to quote and on past experience they'll offer you 10/1.AveryLP said:Do Ladbrokes have a price on whether Dave will begin his speech...
."Comrades, Blue Army and Blue Navy men, commanders and political instructors, men and women workers, men and women collective farmers, intellectuals, brothers and sisters in the enemy rear who have temporarily fallen under the yoke of the Miliband brigands, our glorious men and women guerrillas who are disrupting the rear of the Socialist invaders!
On behalf of the Coalition Government and our Tory Party I greet you and congratulate you on the 179th anniversary of the great October Conservative Revolution."
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Everything Toby touches tends to the socially inclusive.tim said:Toby Young launches new project
Alison Charlton @chuzzlit 1m
Oops.. top link is Unite the union. http://unitetheright.com launched by @toadmeister to promote #Conservatives & #UKIP electoral pact #cpc13
I admire the man.
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PoliticsHome @politicshome 1m
To be fair he at least isn't calling them fruitcakes and loonies as well.
Heseltine on whether UKIP is racist: "Of course it’s racist, who doubts that? Farage isn’t but his party is very attracted to racist agenda
Tory unity over the EU can only be mere decades away now.
*crying with laughter etc* ;^ )
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Its great you being back tim - nobody has to log into twitter anymore.tim said:Peter Griffiths @petergriffiths1 now
Michael Heseltine calls UKIP racist party on BBC Daily Politics Show. "Who seriously doubts that?"
Loads more where that came from, excellent stuff, and so helpful.0 -
Didn't you hear that Brussels has ruled: breadmakers are only allowed to take Euros now. It's to do with harmonisation of trading standards, apparently.antifrank said:There are times when pb and the commentariat seem to have gone collectively mad. This morning is one of those occasions. Has someone put LSD in the breadmaker?
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This was just wonderful.
Isabel Oakeshott @IsabelOakeshott
Extraordinary 12 year old addresses #cpc13 paying tribute to Gove's free schools policy. Word perfect!
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He has raised the brand's awareness. The rest of the MSM is running stories on The Mail's attack on Miliband's Dad.TGOHF said:
Why would Darce resign - he's doing his job - well it seems.Plato said:Why football pundits shouldn't talk about politics
Gary Lineker @GaryLineker
Only a matter of time before Dacre resigns. It's what he would demand of another in this situation. Unless of course he's a hypocrite.
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Michael Heseltine @M_Heseltine 57s
Superb timing from Hezza. This definitely won't cause outrage from the Eurosceptics and kipper sympathisers just in time for Cammie's big speech.
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Kerching!0
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My prediction for Comrade Dave's speech later today?
"I'm not a Socialist in spite of being a Conservative. I'm a Socialist because I AM a Conservative!" 0
