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  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Tim Ross @TimRossDT
    The video build up gets a big laugh in the conference hall for footage of Ed Balls nodding at good economic headlines. #
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,953
    TGOHF said:

    Plato said:

    Why football pundits shouldn't talk about politics

    Gary Lineker @GaryLineker
    Only a matter of time before Dacre resigns. It's what he would demand of another in this situation. Unless of course he's a hypocrite.

    Why would Darce resign - he's doing his job - well it seems.
    It probably is just a matter of time before Dacre resigns. That doesn't mean it's a matter of days or weeks (or not ones that can't be numbered in hundreds).
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    Mick_Pork said:

    Rob Flello quits as Junior Shadow Minister (Justice). LabourList wonders if the reshuffle is starting

    Interesting if it is. Could be quite a good time for it piling yet more news into a schedule already squeezing the tory conference into second place at the moment. It won't have escaped little Ed that today is Cammie's big speech either.

    Behaving just like his old pal and master, Gordon Brown?

    It would be funny watching him get it back in spades during the next Labour conference, the one just before the GE.
  • Plato said:

    This was just wonderful.

    Isabel Oakeshott @IsabelOakeshott
    Extraordinary 12 year old addresses #cpc13 paying tribute to Gove's free schools policy. Word perfect!

    She's Zantain Campbell

    A future William Hague? Wonder if she will be wearing baseball caps in 25 years.
  • anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,591
    dr_spyn said:


    He has raised the brand's awareness.

    Indeed. Just as the horsemeat scandal raised Tesco's brand awareness.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    Why isn't Dave wandering around the stage talking without notes about the political influence of his father?
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Some possible excerpts from Dave's speech

    "Print is the sharpest and the strongest weapon of our party."

    "The people who cast the votes don't decide an election, the people who count the votes do."

    "Gratitude is a sickness suffered by dogs."

    "Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas."

    "One death is a tragedy; one million is a statistic."
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    tim said:

    Fat lad makes joke about belly.

    He's got a lot more class than you, doesnt he?
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    tim said:


    Doesn't work after using his family to lie though.

    You're not the target audience.

  • sic transit gloria mundi.

    If Adolf had popped his clogs at the end of 1938 he'd be in the pantheon of great Germans and still have streets and squares named after him.

    Even after burning of the Reichstag, Night of the Long Knives, book burning, Dachau, Nuremberg race laws, Guernica & Krisstallnacht? I doubt even Goebbels PR skills & German amnesia would stretch that far.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    dr_spyn said:

    TGOHF said:

    Plato said:

    Why football pundits shouldn't talk about politics

    Gary Lineker @GaryLineker
    Only a matter of time before Dacre resigns. It's what he would demand of another in this situation. Unless of course he's a hypocrite.

    Why would Darce resign - he's doing his job - well it seems.
    He has raised the brand's awareness.
    Like Godfrey Bloom did for UKIP. I remember that being hailed as a triumph by some of the more amusing PB tories too. ;^ )

  • RobCRobC Posts: 398
    As I said yesterday EdM and Hezza aren't poles apart politically. That will be highlighted by UKIP in their attempts to switch more Tory members to their cause. Incidentally someone mentioned the lack of atmosphere at the Tory conference. I noticed that particularly during Chis Grayling's speech as justice minister. Right wing populist stuff that would have a Thatcher era conference cheering to the rafters was greeted with polite applause. The stuffing has gone out of the Tories
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    LOL

    The biggest vodka selling brand is Smirnoff - made in Fife - and we beat the Russians at the Olympics.

    Bugger off Putin just don't arm wrestle with me
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    Neil said:

    tim said:


    Doesn't work after using his family to lie though.

    You're not the target audience.
    Poor tim.

    He's not even the target.

  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    "Ed, you keep your shirt on, I'll keep the lights on"

    The Sun must already have Ed in a bulb front page mocked up for May 2015 right ?
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,295
    edited October 2013
    Cameron is, and by some measure, the best public speaker of all our current leading politicians.

    PS I don't regard George Galloway in that category.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    JohnO said:

    Cameron is, and by some measure, the best public speaker of all our current leading politicians.

    Can you imagine Ed making self depreciating jokes ? Not enough class nor wit for it.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,098
    oh god a bit toe-curling..please..
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Oh dear god, Cammie's trying his Blair impersonation yet again. It's tragic really.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    I can certainly imagine Ed making self-deprecating jokes. Largely because he did so last week.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    antifrank said:

    I can certainly imagine Ed making self-deprecating jokes. Largely because he did so last week.

    Was that the policy bit ?
  • Is Tim going to carry on with his bitter gossipy fishwife impression all through the speech? Is Mick Pork going to try and impress his mentor by doing a Phil Neale to Graham Taylor 'yes boss' line all the way through.
    Do I not like Tim and Mick!!
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    tim said:

    Section about Thatcher not mentioning her, chemical weapons and Halabja for some reason.

    Sam vetoed that bit.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,311
    edited October 2013
    tim said:

    "when their freedom was in peril, who offered blood, toil, tears and sweat?"

    Ed's Dad

    And the senior partner Septics.
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    tim said:

    "when their freedom was in peril, who offered blood, toil, tears and sweat?"

    Ed's Dad

    Dave's grandfather was wounded at D-Day

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_William_Mount,_2nd_Baronet
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Cammie tries serious face into Camera, points to Osbrowne and his amusing barnet, textbook!
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,658


    sic transit gloria mundi.

    If Adolf had popped his clogs at the end of 1938 he'd be in the pantheon of great Germans and still have streets and squares named after him.

    Even after burning of the Reichstag, Night of the Long Knives, book burning, Dachau, Nuremberg race laws, Guernica & Krisstallnacht? I doubt even Goebbels PR skills & German amnesia would stretch that far.
    They would be seen as unfortunate failings in an otherwise successful career. The victors write history.

    In 1938 Stalin was several millions ahead in the murder stakes and people lined up to praise him.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Ham sandwich speech so far - will there be a chili sauce ending ?
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530

    Is Tim going to carry on with his bitter gossipy fishwife impression all through the speech? Is Mick Pork going to try and impress his mentor by doing a Phil Neale to Graham Taylor 'yes boss' line all the way through.
    Do I not like Tim and Mick!!

    Is that you StuartTruth? LOL
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    Mick_Pork said:

    Cammie tries serious face into Camera, points to Osbrowne and his amusing barnet, textbook!

    Mick, I'm looking forward to your commentary on the SNP conference in October.

  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    Mick_Pork said:

    Cammie tries serious face into Camera, points to Osbrowne and his amusing barnet, textbook!

    Mick, I'm looking forward to your commentary on the SNP conference in October.

    If a tree falls in the wilderness and nobody hears it - does it make a sound ?
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,953


    sic transit gloria mundi.

    If Adolf had popped his clogs at the end of 1938 he'd be in the pantheon of great Germans and still have streets and squares named after him.

    Even after burning of the Reichstag, Night of the Long Knives, book burning, Dachau, Nuremberg race laws, Guernica & Krisstallnacht? I doubt even Goebbels PR skills & German amnesia would stretch that far.
    Probably, though he'd be a controversial figure. The German economic and diplomatic recoveries from 1933 to 1938 would more than balance out the sort of domestic authoritarian policies that were fairly common in most central / southern European countries at the time. The Night of the Long Knives was popular at the time (the SA was rightly seen as an overbearing bunch of thugs).
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Iain Lindley @cllrilindley
    Standing room only for the PM! #cpc13 pic.twitter.com/RoFhUAYBWB
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited October 2013
    jeremy warner @JeremyWarnerUK
    Well done #Cameron for stressing a self help message - at last a proper ideological divide with Labour begins to emerge.

    PM: Last week Labour proposed to put up corporation tax on our biggest and most successful employers. #cpc13

    Patrick Cusworth @Patriccus
    "Bashing business may play well to a Labour audience, but it is crazy for our country" #cpc13 > More for the private sector required
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited October 2013
    "Do you get that?!" *Rheumy stare into camera* Frightening stuff from Cast Iron Cammie.

    Good thing he moved quickly into the comedy turns section, assuming that was what it was.


  • In 1938 Stalin was several millions ahead in the murder stakes and people lined up to praise him.

    Still true in 2013.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited October 2013
    Jonathan Badyal @JonathanBadyal
    300,000 new businesses formed since the 2010 general election #cpc13

    George Morrall @GeorgeMorrall
    300,000 new businesses is a good figure by anybody's standards. Huge entrepreneurial strength is still deeply embedded in UK economy #cpc13
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    I'm enjoying the twitter war between tim and Plato - for every critical tweet tim posts Plato comes back with a supportive one. Who will win? Hopefully there's more than one way to decide.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    "Blue Peter"???

    LOL

    Are we going to get the "Ronseal Deal" again?

    This is pure Alan Partridge.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Cammie still backing HS2 to the hilt. He'd best be sure he can get it through then.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Neil said:

    I'm enjoying the twitter war between tim and Plato - for every critical tweet tim posts Plato comes back with a supportive one. Who will win? Hopefully there's more than one way to decide.

    Better them retweeting than twerking I suppose...

  • Probably, though he'd be a controversial figure. The German economic and diplomatic recoveries from 1933 to 1938 would more than balance out the sort of domestic authoritarian policies that were fairly common in most central / southern European countries at the time. The Night of the Long Knives was popular at the time (the SA was rightly seen as an overbearing bunch of thugs).

    Not many streets left named after Franco and Musso.
    Maybe a post '38 mortem AH would have had a period of rose-tinted commemoration, but assuming that Europe had reached the same liberal plateau we have, he'd be far too gamey for modern mores.

  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,786
    Neil said:

    I'm enjoying the twitter war between tim and Plato - for every critical tweet tim posts Plato comes back with a supportive one. Who will win? Hopefully there's more than one way to decide.

    Indeed...
  • HS2 - Ladbrokes bingo winner
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    "CAST IRON!"

    Brave mention indeed. Still no Boris though.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Oh dear lord are you going to go through the entire cabinet?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcrUuCDFLOQ
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    A day in the life of twigg.

    Jesus H. Christ this is cringeworthy.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,758
    Dave just committed to massive public spending. A new technical college in every town.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Adam Boulton @adamboultonSKY
    DC: The left don't like privilege unless its for their own children. We are ambitious for all our children.

    Stephen Twigg was opposing free schools on R4 at 0810 and backing them in his own seat the same day....
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Far better on adoption. Probably most effective bit yet.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,098
    edited October 2013
    I think "My Friends" (Cam) sounds much better than "Friends" (EdM), which sounds like he has translated his speech directly from the Russian.

    Small point but the election will turn on such things.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Miliband takes his fight to the Evening Standard:

    "Ed Miliband looks thin and tense, his pristine white shirt emphasising very dark and wounded looking eyes.

    “This is very hard,” he says haltingly. “My dad died 19 years ago, he meant so much to me. I did ponder over the weekend what was the right thing to do.”

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/exclusive-interview-ed-miliband-stunned-into-defending-war-veteran-father-against-daily-mail-attack-8853222.html
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Jonathan said:

    Dave just committed to massive public spending. A new technical college in every town.

    "We’ve already got technical colleges run by great companies like JCB. I say: let’s have one of those colleges in every single major town"

    Doesn't sound like any govt money required.

    Private education - that will have the lefties spluttering into their flat whites.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,098
    Armed Forces 1.8mins better than Social Workers, applause-wise.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    "Boris" get's mention. Always was a safe one that. But what about the rumours? Nothing more on Boris?
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Standard posturing on welfare and immigration, nothing the kippers will worry about.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited October 2013
    Very strong stuff on immigration and illegal visitors on NHS, appeals et al - great.

    Big hand for IDS and his work on helping rather than paying for the problem to hide.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Some pie in the sky nonsense about under 25's.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758


    sic transit gloria mundi.

    If Adolf had popped his clogs at the end of 1938 he'd be in the pantheon of great Germans and still have streets and squares named after him.

    Even after burning of the Reichstag, Night of the Long Knives, book burning, Dachau, Nuremberg race laws, Guernica & Krisstallnacht? I doubt even Goebbels PR skills & German amnesia would stretch that far.
    They would be seen as unfortunate failings in an otherwise successful career. The victors write history.

    In 1938 Stalin was several millions ahead in the murder stakes and people lined up to praise him.
    FWIW, when my Mum was a school she had to write an essay on Hitler. Typical teenager she put it off to the night before it was due. Thought she could just copy it out of Encyclopaedia Britannica. She snuck into her Dad's study and opened up the appropriate volume of the 1933 edition.

    Total article: "Hitler, Adolf. Recently elected Chancellor of Germany."
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,658
    Land of hope and Tory
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    tim said:

    TGOHF said:

    Jonathan said:

    Dave just committed to massive public spending. A new technical college in every town.

    "We’ve already got technical colleges run by great companies like JCB. I say: let’s have one of those colleges in every single major town"

    Doesn't sound like any govt money required.

    Private education - that will have the lefties spluttering into their flat whites.
    You think JCB pay for the college?
    LOL
    I was at a college bought and paid for and run by a private business last week - purely an anecdote mind you.

  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited October 2013
    Uh oh, another 'comedy' section. Watch out, Beans! ;^ )
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited October 2013
    Where's the beef? This is very, very thin. Policy lite, platitude heavy.

    That was it?? Crikey!
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815

    Land of hope and Tory

    Mugger of the Free
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,758
    Was that it?
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,047
    What can I say? Much better than Clegg. That's about it.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    tim said:

    TGOHF said:

    tim said:

    TGOHF said:

    Jonathan said:

    Dave just committed to massive public spending. A new technical college in every town.

    "We’ve already got technical colleges run by great companies like JCB. I say: let’s have one of those colleges in every single major town"

    Doesn't sound like any govt money required.

    Private education - that will have the lefties spluttering into their flat whites.
    You think JCB pay for the college?
    LOL
    I was at a college bought and paid for and run by a private business last week - purely an anecdote mind you.


    JCB academy is minimum 90% funded by the taxpayer.


    ""We’ve already got technical colleges run by great companies like JCB. I say: let’s have one of those colleges in every single major town"

    Doesn't sound like any govt money required."


    Clueless
    Would keep unionised lecturers out though - marvellous.

  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,953


    Probably, though he'd be a controversial figure. The German economic and diplomatic recoveries from 1933 to 1938 would more than balance out the sort of domestic authoritarian policies that were fairly common in most central / southern European countries at the time. The Night of the Long Knives was popular at the time (the SA was rightly seen as an overbearing bunch of thugs).

    Not many streets left named after Franco and Musso.
    Maybe a post '38 mortem AH would have had a period of rose-tinted commemoration, but assuming that Europe had reached the same liberal plateau we have, he'd be far too gamey for modern mores.

    True, though Mussolini's record is tarnished by the war and alliance with Hitler, while Franco has the stain of the Spanish Civil War on his record. How a Hitler who died in late 1938 would have been remembered by popular history would, I suspect, have depended largely on how his successors managed in office and what they did. I think you're probably right that had there been a general swing to democracy heading into the 21st century, his reputation would have suffered as his domestic abuses were given greater prominance but it would have been a gradual decline.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    Roger said:

    What can I say? Much better than Clegg. That's about it.

    That's good enough from you, Roger.

    Better than Pork's scratchings.

  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    tim said:

    Land of hope is Tory

    Excellent slogan, not toxic at all.

    Which bit don't you like?

    Land?
    Hope?
    Land of Hope?
    Tory?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,098
    tim said:

    Land of hope is Tory

    Excellent slogan, not toxic at all.

    Ten thousand slumbering Kippers open their eyes long enough to catch sight of Dave flying the rhetorical flag.

    Job done.
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,759
    Isn`t the Tory conference due to start soon?
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Back to something more lively. I'd post some of the stuff Heseltine's comments have sparked (of which there is a huge amount) but I fear I cannot. Seems like he hit a bit of a raw nerve.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,658
    tim said:

    Land of hope is Tory

    Excellent slogan, not toxic at all.

    All that ramping about Ed's dad and headlines and Cameron didn't say anything.

    Labour much ado about nothing as we say down this part of the world.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    AveryLP said:

    Roger said:

    What can I say? Much better than Clegg. That's about it.

    That's good enough from you, Roger.

    Better than Pork's scratchings.

    Lansley still isn't PM I notice, Seth O Logue. Keep hoping. ;)
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    tim said:

    CCHQ Press Office ‏@RicHolden 6m
    YES WE CAM #cpc13

    Priceless

    LOL

    Is Ric Holden a PB tory? Su-perb!

  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Heseltine plugging away with "Vote UKIP get Miliband".

    Just as well Miliband is still bang in the centre......
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    Dave's speech = top marks

    Ed's speech = full Marx
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    I like trees too, but I think I may concentrate on planting poppies next year.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited October 2013
    Gove floundering badly on Energy. Gove getting angry now. Marvellous. :)
  • NormNorm Posts: 1,251
    Cammo is right to highlight Labour's corporation tax clanger. I am expecting that little measure to be quietly dropped before 2015.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    Norm said:

    Cammo is right to highlight Labour's corporation tax clanger. I am expecting that little measure to be quietly dropped before 2015.

    Why is it a clanger? Labour's proposed corporation tax rate is one that the Coalition themselves were happy to legislate for earlier in the Parliament.
  • anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,591
    Norm said:

    Cammo is right to highlight Labour's corporation tax clanger. I am expecting that little measure to be quietly dropped before 2015.

    How many votes do you think there are in cutting corporation tax for large companies? I'd say approximately 0.

  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    It doesn't sound as if I missed much content. How good were the soundbites?
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited October 2013
    Ed 'saoirse' Kelly ‏@somerandomhash 1h

    Essentially, Hesiltine has just told floating Tories if they vote for #UKIP they are racist...
    Why are they missing the point? Heseltine did NOT call UKIP loonies and fruitcakes, so it's clearly a charm offensive.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,047
    edited October 2013
    The first bit of unquestionable BBC bias I have seen. Those delegates interviewed after Cameron's speech were clearly supplied by Central casting to make Tory party members look ridiculous.
  • Norm said:

    Cammo is right to highlight Labour's corporation tax clanger. I am expecting that little measure to be quietly dropped before 2015.

    How many votes do you think there are in cutting corporation tax for large companies? I'd say approximately 0.

    its a shame really as big compnaies tend to be more diversely owned (certainly listed companies are) and belong to an awful lot of people in terms of pension and insurance funds. Small companies usually have a wealthy individual owning them.
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,759
    tim said:

    SMukesh said:

    Isn`t the Tory conference due to start soon?

    Overshadowed by Miliband, who'd have guessed it 10 days ago?

    CCHQ Press Office ‏@RicHolden 6m
    YES WE CAM #cpc13

    Priceless

    Cam looks like he`s depressed with bags under his eyes.

    Looks like CCHQ don`t have a clue how to repsond to Miliband`s ideas!
  • NormNorm Posts: 1,251
    Neil said:

    Norm said:

    Cammo is right to highlight Labour's corporation tax clanger. I am expecting that little measure to be quietly dropped before 2015.

    Why is it a clanger? Labour's proposed corporation tax rate is one that the Coalition themselves were happy to legislate for earlier in the Parliament.
    The fact that Labour are prepared to increase it to pay for whatever whim catches their fancy sends out the wrong signals to overseas investors and owners of multinationals considering coming to Britain. The actual amount of the increase in itself is fairly irrelevant .
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    Is Ed still wandering around the media playgrounds threatening to beat up anyone who insults his dad?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    @JohnRentoul: "Conference speeches in 140 chars: EdM stayed on the left; Cam stayed in the progressive centre."

  • Norm said:

    Cammo is right to highlight Labour's corporation tax clanger. I am expecting that little measure to be quietly dropped before 2015.

    How many votes do you think there are in cutting corporation tax for large companies? I'd say approximately 0.

    its a shame really as big compnaies tend to be more diversely owned (certainly listed companies are) and belong to an awful lot of people in terms of pension and insurance funds. Small companies usually have a wealthy individual owning them.
    Yes, they're companies owned by the public, as opposed to 'publicly owned' companies. Got that? English is difficult to explain sometimes.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,658
    So the conference season is over and what have we learnt ?

    Ed thinks it's not fair that some people think his dad was a bit weird.

    That's it.
  • NormNorm Posts: 1,251

    Norm said:

    Cammo is right to highlight Labour's corporation tax clanger. I am expecting that little measure to be quietly dropped before 2015.

    How many votes do you think there are in cutting corporation tax for large companies? I'd say approximately 0.

    Unlike with the Labour party here and interestingly their defeated cousins in Australia not everything in politics should be about the obsessive garnering of votes in the short term.
  • Norm said:

    Neil said:

    Norm said:

    Cammo is right to highlight Labour's corporation tax clanger. I am expecting that little measure to be quietly dropped before 2015.

    Why is it a clanger? Labour's proposed corporation tax rate is one that the Coalition themselves were happy to legislate for earlier in the Parliament.
    The fact that Labour are prepared to increase it to pay for whatever whim catches their fancy sends out the wrong signals to overseas investors and owners of multinationals considering coming to Britain. The actual amount of the increase in itself is fairly irrelevant .
    So Labour obviosuly want to tax ethical companies who by and large pay 20% of tax on their profits like Waterstones more and widen the gap and playing field with companies like Amazon.WELL DONE
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    "One cannot help but feel Miliband has been sucker punched here. Sure, his defence of his father is heartfelt and his courage in taking on the Daily Mail is to be applauded. But there is the nagging sense that this plays into Paul Dacre's hands. After all, Miliband has kept the story alive and allowed the Mail to repeat its assertions. He is being smeared in the same way as Kinnock was. He is now "Red Ed" with the sinister blood of his father running through his veins."

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/the-conversation-uk/daily-mail-attack-miliband_b_4024649.html
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,658
    SMukesh said:

    tim said:

    SMukesh said:

    Isn`t the Tory conference due to start soon?

    Overshadowed by Miliband, who'd have guessed it 10 days ago?

    CCHQ Press Office ‏@RicHolden 6m
    YES WE CAM #cpc13

    Priceless

    Cam looks like he`s depressed with bags under his eyes.

    Looks like CCHQ don`t have a clue how to repsond to Miliband`s ideas!
    Brilliant ! PB Lefties you've gotta love them.

    Yes SMukesh I'm sure he's just trembling at the thought of Ed saying that's not fair to everything.
  • Norm said:

    Cammo is right to highlight Labour's corporation tax clanger. I am expecting that little measure to be quietly dropped before 2015.

    How many votes do you think there are in cutting corporation tax for large companies? I'd say approximately 0.

    its a shame really as big compnaies tend to be more diversely owned (certainly listed companies are) and belong to an awful lot of people in terms of pension and insurance funds. Small companies usually have a wealthy individual owning them.
    Yes, they're companies owned by the public, as opposed to 'publicly owned' companies. Got that? English is difficult to explain sometimes.
    Sorry don't understand your point
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262

    So the conference season is over and what have we learnt ?

    Ed thinks it's not fair that some people think his dad was a bit weird.

    That's it.

    Shouldn't that be 'fiercely Marxist dad'?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,758
    edited October 2013

    So the conference season is over and what have we learnt ?

    Ed thinks it's not fair that some people think his dad was a bit weird.

    That's it.

    I think there is more to it than that. One of the biggest criticisms of political parties is that they are "all the same". Labour definitely broke from the pack last week. Risky, but a definite change.
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