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Jeremy Corbyn ducks question on general election; accuses @LibbyWienerITV of 'harrassment'https://t.co/6IPEIahDbj pic.twitter.com/ZUsiTrBbRX
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"The LAB media operation MUST become better"
As if Jeremy cares about media operations. His disdain for/intense irritation with them is perfectly obvious.
You want a better media operation? Hire a new leader. Chances of that before the full horror of the next General Election campaign? About equal to the random probability of Corbyn dying or being incapacitated, and he's looking fairly healthy right now.
Poor, tragic Labour. You'd need to have a heart of stone not to laugh.0 -
It's just Jeremy being Jeremy...0
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Maybe MI5/MI6 will do Corbyn in just like Gaitskell?Black_Rook said:"The LAB media operation MUST become better"
As if Jeremy cares about media operations. His disdain for/intense irritation with them is perfectly obvious.
You want a better media operation? Hire a new leader. Chances of that before the full horror of the next General Election campaign? About equal to the random probability of Corbyn dying or being incapacitated, and he's looking fairly healthy right now.
Poor, tragic Labour. You'd need to have a heart of stone not to laugh.
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https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/794643439078035456Black_Rook said:"The LAB media operation MUST become better"
As if Jeremy cares about media operations. His disdain for/intense irritation with them is perfectly obvious.
You want a better media operation? Hire a new leader. Chances of that before the full horror of the next General Election campaign? About equal to the random probability of Corbyn dying or being incapacitated, and he's looking fairly healthy right now.
Poor, tragic Labour. You'd need to have a heart of stone not to laugh.0 -
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Surely KGB in that instance?The_Taxman said:
Maybe MI5/MI6 will do Corbyn in just like Gaitskell?Black_Rook said:"The LAB media operation MUST become better"
As if Jeremy cares about media operations. His disdain for/intense irritation with them is perfectly obvious.
You want a better media operation? Hire a new leader. Chances of that before the full horror of the next General Election campaign? About equal to the random probability of Corbyn dying or being incapacitated, and he's looking fairly healthy right now.
Poor, tragic Labour. You'd need to have a heart of stone not to laugh.0 -
The LAB media operation MUST become better
Why? That assumes Mr Corbyn is working to the same game plan as all the other politicians. Presumably, by his own measures, things are going just fine the way they are.0 -
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Corbyn. Making [insert name] look competent.
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Corbyn. Making Theresa May look competent.MarkHopkins said:
Corbyn. Making [insert name] look competent.
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Oddly generous tweet. I'm not sure I would say Labour is becoming an irrelevance.Black_Rook said:
https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/794643439078035456Black_Rook said:"The LAB media operation MUST become better"
As if Jeremy cares about media operations. His disdain for/intense irritation with them is perfectly obvious.
You want a better media operation? Hire a new leader. Chances of that before the full horror of the next General Election campaign? About equal to the random probability of Corbyn dying or being incapacitated, and he's looking fairly healthy right now.
Poor, tragic Labour. You'd need to have a heart of stone not to laugh.0 -
On topic, he's been utterly dire, in the last 36 hours a Tory MP quit slagging off Mrs May and her approach.
Not a peep from Jez apart from tweeting about his snapchat account.
A decent leader would have had Mrs May on the rack.0 -
Start with the basics Jezza. If a journo asks you a question, there are three possible answers.
Yes
No
That would be an ecumenical matter (and needs to be referred to the NEC)
'Let's run away' is not a suitable response.0 -
Bring it on Jezza.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-corbyn-gives-theresa-ultimatum-9204393#ICID=sharebar_twitter
Apologies to others who saw this a few minutes ago.
If Milne & Corbyn were in a brewery there would be no piss up.0 -
According to the Daily Mirror, Jeremy Corbyn has the following red lines for Brexit:
1. UK access to 500 million customers in Europe’s single market.
2. No watering down of EU workplace rights.
3. Guarantees on safeguarding consumers and the environment.
4. Pledges on Britain picking up the tab for any EU capital investment lost by Brexit
1 and 4 seem to be things which could be defined so nebulously they are meaningless. 2 and 3 seems to require the government to bind all its successors.0 -
Sad for the country and Labour that this strange of of date old man, has stumbled into where he is today. He almost certainly loves that after 30 years of being ignored he gets media coverage and wouldn't like the constant ego stroking he gets.
But as is stands, Labour are finished as a political force.0 -
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/shame-to-waste-corbyn-on-a-snap-election-says-may-20161104116602TheScreamingEagles said:
Corbyn. Making Theresa May look competent.MarkHopkins said:
Corbyn. Making [insert name] look competent.0 -
Better than their approach when IDS resigned which managed to make the Tory party more unified.TheScreamingEagles said:On topic, he's been utterly dire, in the last 36 hours a Tory MP quit slagging off Mrs May and her approach.
Not a peep from Jez apart from tweeting about his snapchat account.
A decent leader would have had Mrs May on the rack.0 -
I wrote a thread a few months ago saying a Jeremy Corbyn led Labour party would struggle with the white heat of a general election campaign.
I'm revising my forecast, it's going to be an utter disaster.
It'll be equivalent of the Anglo-Zanzibar war.0 -
Isn't Theresa 13% ahead in the polls?TheScreamingEagles said:
Corbyn. Making Theresa May look competent.MarkHopkins said:
Corbyn. Making [insert name] look competent.0 -
Sic transit gloria mundiSunil_Prasannan said:
Isn't Theresa 13% ahead in the polls?TheScreamingEagles said:
Corbyn. Making Theresa May look competent.MarkHopkins said:
Corbyn. Making [insert name] look competent.
Even Gordon Brown led by similar amounts during his honeymoon.0 -
So much going on and Labour is marginal to all of it. A semi-competent Labour leader would not need to look beyond the obvious questions to torture Theresa May. Instead, we have fiascos like this.
I can't recall a period where Britain's future looked so bleak. Nothing good can come until we have leaders to guide the nation away from the moral dregs we are now languishing in. None are remotely in sight.0 -
TheScreamingEagles said:
I wrote a thread a few months ago saying a Jeremy Corbyn led Labour party would struggle with the white heat of a general election campaign.
I'm revising my forecast, it's going to be an utter disaster.
It'll be equivalent of the Indo-Pakistan War of 1971.
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Very good Sandy :-)SandyRentool said:Start with the basics Jezza. If a journo asks you a question, there are three possible answers.
Yes
No
That would be an ecumenical matter (and needs to be referred to the NEC)
'Let's run away' is not a suitable response.
For Tories, the one biggest downside of the A50 judgement is that an early GE may lead to an early removal of Corbyn while Labour is still salavagable. Would Tories prefer 3 and a half more years of a tiny majority against an almost non-existent opposition, or a massive majority against an opposition who might actually oppose?0 -
In English, please!TheScreamingEagles said:
Sic transit gloria mundiSunil_Prasannan said:
Isn't Theresa 13% ahead in the polls?TheScreamingEagles said:
Corbyn. Making Theresa May look competent.MarkHopkins said:
Corbyn. Making [insert name] look competent.
Even Gordon Brown led by similar amounts during his honeymoon.
Brown led Cameron for a sustained period?0 -
For a few months, then faffed around about whether or not to call an early general election.Sunil_Prasannan said:
In English, please!TheScreamingEagles said:
Sic transit gloria mundiSunil_Prasannan said:
Isn't Theresa 13% ahead in the polls?TheScreamingEagles said:
Corbyn. Making Theresa May look competent.MarkHopkins said:
Corbyn. Making [insert name] look competent.
Even Gordon Brown led by similar amounts during his honeymoon.
Brown led Cameron for a sustained period?0 -
I thought they did at least manage to fire a few shots before their navy was sunk at 15 minutes in.TheScreamingEagles said:I wrote a thread a few months ago saying a Jeremy Corbyn led Labour party would struggle with the white heat of a general election campaign.
I'm revising my forecast, it's going to be an utter disaster.
It'll be equivalent of the Anglo-Zanzibar war.
Would Corbyn even manage that?0 -
I think Corbyn would sink his own side within 15 minutesydoethur said:
I thought they did at least manage to fire a few shots before their navy was sunk at 15 minutes in.TheScreamingEagles said:I wrote a thread a few months ago saying a Jeremy Corbyn led Labour party would struggle with the white heat of a general election campaign.
I'm revising my forecast, it's going to be an utter disaster.
It'll be equivalent of the Anglo-Zanzibar war.
Would Corbyn even manage that?0 -
Labour is unbecoming, an irrelevance.ydoethur said:
Oddly generous tweet. I'm not sure I would say Labour is becoming an irrelevance.Black_Rook said:
https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/794643439078035456Black_Rook said:"The LAB media operation MUST become better"
As if Jeremy cares about media operations. His disdain for/intense irritation with them is perfectly obvious.
You want a better media operation? Hire a new leader. Chances of that before the full horror of the next General Election campaign? About equal to the random probability of Corbyn dying or being incapacitated, and he's looking fairly healthy right now.
Poor, tragic Labour. You'd need to have a heart of stone not to laugh.0 -
So more the equivalent of the Battle of Barnet?TheScreamingEagles said:
I think Corbyn would sink his own side within 15 minutesydoethur said:
I thought they did at least manage to fire a few shots before their navy was sunk at 15 minutes in.TheScreamingEagles said:I wrote a thread a few months ago saying a Jeremy Corbyn led Labour party would struggle with the white heat of a general election campaign.
I'm revising my forecast, it's going to be an utter disaster.
It'll be equivalent of the Anglo-Zanzibar war.
Would Corbyn even manage that?
Edit - or that German aeroplane which attacked two of its own destroyers in 1941?0 -
I had to look up the Anglo-Zanzibar War. My goodness.TheScreamingEagles said:I wrote a thread a few months ago saying a Jeremy Corbyn led Labour party would struggle with the white heat of a general election campaign.
I'm revising my forecast, it's going to be an utter disaster.
It'll be equivalent of the Anglo-Zanzibar war.
Do you think that Labour's chances are that good? :-))
Seriously, this is liable to severely test my hypothesis that Labour won't drop much below 25% in the next election.0 -
Hasn't Theresa been ahead of Jezza ever since she became PM?TheScreamingEagles said:
For a few months, then faffed around about whether or not to call an early general election.Sunil_Prasannan said:
In English, please!TheScreamingEagles said:
Sic transit gloria mundiSunil_Prasannan said:
Isn't Theresa 13% ahead in the polls?TheScreamingEagles said:
Corbyn. Making Theresa May look competent.MarkHopkins said:
Corbyn. Making [insert name] look competent.
Even Gordon Brown led by similar amounts during his honeymoon.
Brown led Cameron for a sustained period?0 -
I reckon the first couple months of May have suggested she could be our best Prime Minister since Thatcher.AlastairMeeks said:So much going on and Labour is marginal to all of it. A semi-competent Labour leader would not need to look beyond the obvious questions to torture Theresa May. Instead, we have fiascos like this.
I can't recall a period where Britain's future looked so bleak. Nothing good can come until we have leaders to guide the nation away from the moral dregs we are now languishing in. None are remotely in sight.
The lack of ability is within the opposition parties. Right now it's looking like Paul Nuttall will be the most talented of the lot.0 -
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Labour is unbecoming, an irrelevance.ydoethur said:
Oddly generous tweet. I'm not sure I would say Labour is becoming an irrelevance.Black_Rook said:
https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/794643439078035456Black_Rook said:"The LAB media operation MUST become better"
As if Jeremy cares about media operations. His disdain for/intense irritation with them is perfectly obvious.
You want a better media operation? Hire a new leader. Chances of that before the full horror of the next General Election campaign? About equal to the random probability of Corbyn dying or being incapacitated, and he's looking fairly healthy right now.
Poor, tragic Labour. You'd need to have a heart of stone not to laugh.0 -
Great post on Facebook today (not aimed at me!) -
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I take it you're not a big fan TSE .... following on from other recent comments, do I detect that you are moving slowly but inexorably away from the Conservative party?TheScreamingEagles said:
Corbyn. Making Theresa May look competent.MarkHopkins said:
Corbyn. Making [insert name] look competent.0 -
Theresa May is no Yorkistydoethur said:
So more the equivalent of the Battle of Barnet?TheScreamingEagles said:
I think Corbyn would sink his own side within 15 minutesydoethur said:
I thought they did at least manage to fire a few shots before their navy was sunk at 15 minutes in.TheScreamingEagles said:I wrote a thread a few months ago saying a Jeremy Corbyn led Labour party would struggle with the white heat of a general election campaign.
I'm revising my forecast, it's going to be an utter disaster.
It'll be equivalent of the Anglo-Zanzibar war.
Would Corbyn even manage that?
Edit - or that German aeroplane which attacked two of its own destroyers in 1941?0 -
Pretty much indistinguishable at that point..JohnO said:
Surely KGB in that instance?The_Taxman said:
Maybe MI5/MI6 will do Corbyn in just like Gaitskell?Black_Rook said:"The LAB media operation MUST become better"
As if Jeremy cares about media operations. His disdain for/intense irritation with them is perfectly obvious.
You want a better media operation? Hire a new leader. Chances of that before the full horror of the next General Election campaign? About equal to the random probability of Corbyn dying or being incapacitated, and he's looking fairly healthy right now.
Poor, tragic Labour. You'd need to have a heart of stone not to laugh.0 -
TSE must absolutely loath Teresa May; and why because she said the words that Brexit is Brexit, even if it is without meaning.TheScreamingEagles said:On topic, he's been utterly dire, in the last 36 hours a Tory MP quit slagging off Mrs May and her approach.
Not a peep from Jez apart from tweeting about his snapchat account.
A decent leader would have had Mrs May on the rack.0 -
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Don't blame him, the WI gave Blair a nasty heckling, I hate to think what they would do to Trump.619 said:0 -
TSE's public school-boy misogyny.MikeK said:
TSE must absolutely loath Teresa May; and why because she said the words that Brexit is Brexit, even if it is without meaning.TheScreamingEagles said:On topic, he's been utterly dire, in the last 36 hours a Tory MP quit slagging off Mrs May and her approach.
Not a peep from Jez apart from tweeting about his snapchat account.
A decent leader would have had Mrs May on the rack.0 -
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"The LAB media operation MUST become better"
Tough to do when your Fearless Leader is a garden gnome . . .0 -
Is there any site where I could get an overview of turnout trends in the US election?0
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I don't loathe T May - I was happy to see her take over from DC - but she is letting the country down more and more by the day as she shows few signs of effective leadership on Brexit (or aught else) at a time when the country is in limbo and feeling flakier by the day.MikeK said:
TSE must absolutely loath Teresa May; and why because she said the words that Brexit is Brexit, even if it is without meaning.TheScreamingEagles said:On topic, he's been utterly dire, in the last 36 hours a Tory MP quit slagging off Mrs May and her approach.
Not a peep from Jez apart from tweeting about his snapchat account.
A decent leader would have had Mrs May on the rack.0 -
Welcome Back!SeaShantyIrish said:"The LAB media operation MUST become better"
Tough to do when your Fearless Leader is a garden gnome . . .0 -
WHY has The Donald ignored the burning issue of Canadian occupation of sovereign US territory . . . namely MACHIAS SEAL ISLAND??????\
COULD it be because Putin has ordered him to stay off this otherwise Trumpian topic????
TSE, BTW how are you getting along re: legal research on the West West Virginia project?0 -
Another charmless and unjustified attack from you.Sunil_Prasannan said:
TSE's public school-boy misogyny.MikeK said:
TSE must absolutely loath Teresa May; and why because she said the words that Brexit is Brexit, even if it is without meaning.TheScreamingEagles said:On topic, he's been utterly dire, in the last 36 hours a Tory MP quit slagging off Mrs May and her approach.
Not a peep from Jez apart from tweeting about his snapchat account.
A decent leader would have had Mrs May on the rack.
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Exactly why I think May is so keen to avoid an early election. It is much better for her to deal with the Brexit complexities - which are very likely to have at least some negative consequences - whilst the Opposition is both unelectable and prostrate.Cookie said:
Very good Sandy :-)SandyRentool said:Start with the basics Jezza. If a journo asks you a question, there are three possible answers.
Yes
No
That would be an ecumenical matter (and needs to be referred to the NEC)
'Let's run away' is not a suitable response.
For Tories, the one biggest downside of the A50 judgement is that an early GE may lead to an early removal of Corbyn while Labour is still salavagable. Would Tories prefer 3 and a half more years of a tiny majority against an almost non-existent opposition, or a massive majority against an opposition who might actually oppose?
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Alas my research in America these days is limited to New York and BostonSeaShantyIrish said:WHY has The Donald ignored the burning issue of Canadian occupation of sovereign US territory . . . namely MACHIAS SEAL ISLAND??????\
COULD it be because Putin has ordered him to stay off this otherwise Trumpian topic????
TSE, BTW how are you getting along re: legal research on the West West Virginia project?0 -
Breakiing News - just heard via back-teeth fillings, that internal Clinton campaign polling now show Hilary & other top Dem candidates are now ahead in New Hampshire.0
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Ok, who do you think would do better as PM?Dadge said:
I don't loathe T May - I was happy to see her take over from DC - but she is letting the country down more and more by the day as she shows few signs of effective leadership on Brexit (or aught else) at a time when the country is in limbo and feeling flakier by the day.MikeK said:
TSE must absolutely loath Teresa May; and why because she said the words that Brexit is Brexit, even if it is without meaning.TheScreamingEagles said:On topic, he's been utterly dire, in the last 36 hours a Tory MP quit slagging off Mrs May and her approach.
Not a peep from Jez apart from tweeting about his snapchat account.
A decent leader would have had Mrs May on the rack.
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I was just trolling him, you humourless Lefty!Jobabob said:
Another charmless and unjustified attack from you.Sunil_Prasannan said:
TSE's public school-boy misogyny.MikeK said:
TSE must absolutely loath Teresa May; and why because she said the words that Brexit is Brexit, even if it is without meaning.TheScreamingEagles said:On topic, he's been utterly dire, in the last 36 hours a Tory MP quit slagging off Mrs May and her approach.
Not a peep from Jez apart from tweeting about his snapchat account.
A decent leader would have had Mrs May on the rack.
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Very helpful to the Tories if true. Labour will have to fight on another front, and it's nowhere near capable of dealing with its current problems.SirBernard said:The lack of ability is within the opposition parties. Right now it's looking like Paul Nuttall will be the most talented of the lot.
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I (ironically) follow 'Jeremy Corbyn for PM' on Facebook - they just posted this article, in which Corbyn 'threatens' May with an early election.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-corbyn-gives-theresa-ultimatum-9204393#ICID=sharebar_twitter
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A bit like Luxembourg threatening Germany in 1914.Essexit said:I (ironically) follow 'Jeremy Corbyn for PM' on Facebook - they just posted this article, in which Corbyn 'threatens' May with an early election.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-corbyn-gives-theresa-ultimatum-9204393#ICID=sharebar_twitter
LOL
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Theresa May has read the electorate much better than Gordon Brown. She has squarely positioned herself between the two largest groups, Common Sense and Our Britain.
http://opinium.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Dead-Centre-British-politics4_lr.pdf
David Cameron was better than Brown, but even he gave up on Our Britain, 25% of the electorate, to pursue New Britain, 6% of them.0 -
Surely you mean Andorra?Sunil_Prasannan said:
A bit like Luxembourg threatening Germany in 1914.Essexit said:I (ironically) follow 'Jeremy Corbyn for PM' on Facebook - they just posted this article, in which Corbyn 'threatens' May with an early election.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-corbyn-gives-theresa-ultimatum-9204393#ICID=sharebar_twitter
LOL
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To my mind, the question is really the other way around.SandyRentool said:Start with the basics Jezza. If a journo asks you a question, there are three possible answers.
Yes
No
That would be an ecumenical matter (and needs to be referred to the NEC)
'Let's run away' is not a suitable response.
What is Mr Corbyn's agenda, given that it makes 'running away' the right response when a journalist asks a standard political question? We must assume, I believe, that Mr Corbyn believes it is the appropriate response.0 -
Minnesota must be like ECV 340 for Trump or something0
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Your attitude to May denotes a personal bias apart from the politics. I myself think that May is a weak leader who to some extent still sits on the fence, and would not stand a chance against top Tories if she was forced to stand against them in a party vote.Dadge said:
I don't loathe T May - I was happy to see her take over from DC - but she is letting the country down more and more by the day as she shows few signs of effective leadership on Brexit (or aught else) at a time when the country is in limbo and feeling flakier by the day.MikeK said:
TSE must absolutely loath Teresa May; and why because she said the words that Brexit is Brexit, even if it is without meaning.TheScreamingEagles said:On topic, he's been utterly dire, in the last 36 hours a Tory MP quit slagging off Mrs May and her approach.
Not a peep from Jez apart from tweeting about his snapchat account.
A decent leader would have had Mrs May on the rack.0 -
SirBernard said:
I reckon the first couple months of May have suggested she could be our best Prime Minister since Thatcher.AlastairMeeks said:So much going on and Labour is marginal to all of it. A semi-competent Labour leader would not need to look beyond the obvious questions to torture Theresa May. Instead, we have fiascos like this.
I can't recall a period where Britain's future looked so bleak. Nothing good can come until we have leaders to guide the nation away from the moral dregs we are now languishing in. None are remotely in sight.
The lack of ability is within the opposition parties. Right now it's looking like Paul Nuttall will be the most talented of the lot.
I agree that May has shown Merkel like abilities to manage the multiple constitutional, political, social and economic crises that are unfolding. I disagree with much of her agenda, but the idea of Corbyn as PM is unthinkable for most people, so she could well end up as a thatcher like figure.SirBernard said:
I reckon the first couple months of May have suggested she could be our best Prime Minister since Thatcher.AlastairMeeks said:So much going on and Labour is marginal to all of it. A semi-competent Labour leader would not need to look beyond the obvious questions to torture Theresa May. Instead, we have fiascos like this.
I can't recall a period where Britain's future looked so bleak. Nothing good can come until we have leaders to guide the nation away from the moral dregs we are now languishing in. None are remotely in sight.
The lack of ability is within the opposition parties. Right now it's looking like Paul Nuttall will be the most talented of the lot.
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The mouse that roared.Sunil_Prasannan said:
A bit like Luxembourg threatening Germany in 1914.Essexit said:I (ironically) follow 'Jeremy Corbyn for PM' on Facebook - they just posted this article, in which Corbyn 'threatens' May with an early election.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-corbyn-gives-theresa-ultimatum-9204393#ICID=sharebar_twitter
LOL
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As has been pointed out often, Corbyn has his own parochial agenda. He *believes* in something, in this case I guess something to do with Trot games of the sixties and seventies. Trying to turn him into a leader with a wider base would be like trying to argue with a creationist who say there's no proof of evolution. Both *know* they're right and that nurtures their unwisdom0
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The feeling is that Hillary is failing to get her votes out in these last 72 hours before the opening bell.0
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here is whyPulpstar said:Minnesota must be like ECV 340 for Trump or something
https://twitter.com/Taniel/status/7950034143548170240 -
It was the Mail that was indirectly responsible for the Weiner problems for Hillary, now they may have screwed Trump's chances
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/7950199331303587840 -
XD you can always count on PB for a top-notch historical comparison.Sunil_Prasannan said:
A bit like Luxembourg threatening Germany in 1914.Essexit said:I (ironically) follow 'Jeremy Corbyn for PM' on Facebook - they just posted this article, in which Corbyn 'threatens' May with an early election.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-corbyn-gives-theresa-ultimatum-9204393#ICID=sharebar_twitter
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I don't think Labour will do too badly in the GE. Worse than Milliband, but not much worse. But it will be defining election because unless UKIP make the breakthrough and win a few seats, I think Labour will have more or less seen off the UKIP threat. (In this regard it's helpful to Labour's chances that JC wants to see Brexit through.)Black_Rook said:
I had to look up the Anglo-Zanzibar War. My goodness.TheScreamingEagles said:I wrote a thread a few months ago saying a Jeremy Corbyn led Labour party would struggle with the white heat of a general election campaign.
I'm revising my forecast, it's going to be an utter disaster.
It'll be equivalent of the Anglo-Zanzibar war.
Do you think that Labour's chances are that good? :-))
Seriously, this is liable to severely test my hypothesis that Labour won't drop much below 25% in the next election.
I'm reasonably positive about Labour's chances because they have large numbers of very enthusiastic troops and a still-effective party machine, and there is some mileage in JC's quiet-man persona. And although the Mail and Sun will tear him to shreds, I don't think the other parties will get a smooth ride either.0 -
It's the hope that will ruin them, losing any mitigation efforts with the dream of preventing it altogether.SeanT said:An indescribably stupid, dangerous article from the hitherto admirable Nick Cohen
Bangs on (fairly eloquently) about the "paranoid radical right"
But then subtly admits, at the end, that Yes he hopes the referendum can be overturned.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/05/brexit-right-politics-speaking-for-the-people?CMP=share_btn_tw
No wonder the sceptic papers are frothing and the rightwingers are paranoid: they are right to be so. Elements in the metropolitan mattering classes want to reverse the vote. I reckon half of the Remainers on here would reverse it, if they can, any way they could, no matter what they say.
For the first time I sincerely wonder if this will end in violence. Remainers need to get a grip.0 -
I did misguidedly think Corbyn might have learnt something from the first 12 months but it's not looking like it. There are more open goals at the moment than playing The Faeroes after half their team were sent off, but The Politburo seem to be playing at right angles to everybody else and punting the ball into row Z above the half way line.0
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It's the WSJTheScreamingEagles said:It was the Mail that was indirectly responsible for the Weiner problems for Hillary, now they may have screwed Trump's chances
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/795019933130358784
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Bugger.geoffw said:
It's the WSJTheScreamingEagles said:It was the Mail that was indirectly responsible for the Weiner problems for Hillary, now they may have screwed Trump's chances
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/795019933130358784
I'm surprised it wasn't posted on PB.0 -
@ObiDanKelnobi: @STJamesl @montie He doesn't have the numbers to 'force' anything. Only Corbyn could fail at a bid to commit political suicide...Monksfield said:I did misguidedly think Corbyn might have learnt something from the first 12 months but it's not looking like it. There are more open goals at the moment than playing The Faeroes after half their team were sent off, but The Politburo seem to be playing at right angles to everybody else and punting the ball into row Z above the half way line.
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Quite. It's the fucking leavers who are threatening pitchforks all the time.Scott_P said:
Umm, the folk inciting civil disobedience after the judgement were Brexiteers.SeanT said:For the first time I sincerely wonder if this will end in violence. Remainers need to get a grip.
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All the Mr and Mrs Angrys out there need to calm down.Scott_P said:
Umm, the folk inciting civil disobedience after the judgement were Brexiteers.SeanT said:For the first time I sincerely wonder if this will end in violence. Remainers need to get a grip.
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Can't imagine this will make much difference.TheScreamingEagles said:It was the Mail that was indirectly responsible for the Weiner problems for Hillary, now they may have screwed Trump's chances
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/795019933130358784
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Forget politics. Extraordinary Irish rugby performance against the All Blacks right now.0
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Well said. The business about Parliament voting on triggering Article 50 would be neither here nor there if we had reason to believe it would just be the rubber-stamp it should. Now even Jeremy Corbyn (see the Mirror article I posted) is among those threatening to delay, water down, or block it.SeanT said:An indescribably stupid, dangerous article from the hitherto admirable Nick Cohen
Bangs on (fairly eloquently) about the "paranoid radical right"
But then subtly admits, at the end, that Yes he hopes the referendum can be overturned.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/05/brexit-right-politics-speaking-for-the-people?CMP=share_btn_tw
No wonder the sceptic papers are frothing and the rightwingers are paranoid: they are right to be so. Elements in the metropolitan mattering classes want to reverse the vote. I reckon half of the Remainers on here would reverse it, if they can, any way they could, no matter what they say.
For the first time I sincerely wonder if this will end in violence. Remainers need to get a grip.0 -
It's hard sometimes, as a political wonk, to realise that even though Corbyn comes across as so very lacking in leadership quality (when away from the leadership hustings) that even though with much reason for misgivings, it seems like May is the only choice in a head to head, millions upon millions will vote for a party Corbyn leads. It's such a shock that I bounce back and consider, could he in fact actually do quite well? I find it hard to credit such a situation, but the Tories are not without problems, so maybe? But how, when you see this sort of thing from him?0
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SeanT said:
Elements in the metropolitan mattering classes want to reverse the vote. I reckon half of the Remainers on here would reverse it, if they can, any way they could, no matter what they say.
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/10/18/the-nearest-run-thing/
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Look who's here:
https://twitter.com/nufcno1fan/status/7949226089616834570 -
You mean like the leavers did after the 1975 referendum?SeanT said:
People like you should just leave the internet. You lost. Get over it. Move on. But more importantly, go away and never be heard from, again.Scott_P said:
Umm, the folk inciting civil disobedience after the judgement were Brexiteers.SeanT said:For the first time I sincerely wonder if this will end in violence. Remainers need to get a grip.
If you are worried about violence, tell your friends to STFU for a bit
This is the only way we can heal the division, the losers - your lot - have to accept that you lost, that this is lost, that you have lost, stop trying to overturn the result whatever way you can, and go away and never be heard from again.
Basically, you have to disappear. GO.
Remember a few days before the 2016 referendum Farage said he wouldn't stop fighting for Leave if Remain won 52-480 -
in other news...
@MrAndrewCotter: The All Blacks great run ended by epic Ireland performance in Chicago. First ever win over New Zealand in 111 years of trying. Superb.0 -
Jonathan said:
All the Mr and Mrs Angrys out there need to calm down.Scott_P said:
Umm, the folk inciting civil disobedience after the judgement were Brexiteers.SeanT said:For the first time I sincerely wonder if this will end in violence. Remainers need to get a grip.
If you are worried about violence, tell your friends to STFU for a bit
Indeed. It's going to be hard making the best of it if one bunch are prepared to ignore a referendum (without a care to gaining a similar democratic endorsement) and the other side overreact out of fear of that happening.
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How many whiskies have you had? Calm down.SeanT said:
People like you should just leave the internet. You lost. Get over it. Move on. But more importantly, go away and never be heard from, again.Scott_P said:
Umm, the folk inciting civil disobedience after the judgement were Brexiteers.SeanT said:For the first time I sincerely wonder if this will end in violence. Remainers need to get a grip.
If you are worried about violence, tell your friends to STFU for a bit
This is the only way we can heal the division, the losers - your lot - have to accept that you lost, that this is lost, that you have lost, stop trying to overturn the result whatever way you can, and go away and never be heard from again.
Basically, you have to disappear. GO.0 -
All Blacks got fucking spanked by Ireland.0
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You know that's from 2014 right?MikeK said:Look who's here:
https://twitter.com/nufcno1fan/status/7949226089616834570 -
Very enthusiastic troops on social media =/= Very enthusiastic troops on the groundDadge said:I'm reasonably positive about Labour's chances because they have large numbers of very enthusiastic troops and a still-effective party machine, and there is some mileage in JC's quiet-man persona. And although the Mail and Sun will tear him to shreds, I don't think the other parties will get a smooth ride either.
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An electorate where barely 30% of voters were willing to vote for Labour under Ed Miliband is not going to deliver as good a result for Labour under Jeremy Corbyn. There's certainly very little chance of meaningful voter movement from either Con or Ukip to Lab, particularly the former.kle4 said:It's hard sometimes, as a political wonk, to realise that even though Corbyn comes across as so very lacking in leadership quality (when away from the leadership hustings) that even though with much reason for misgivings, it seems like May is the only choice in a head to head, millions upon millions will vote for a party Corbyn leads. It's such a shock that I bounce back and consider, could he in fact actually do quite well? I find it hard to credit such a situation, but the Tories are not without problems, so maybe? But how, when you see this sort of thing from him?
The Far Left platform is not an election winning prospect, especially in England where 5 in 6 seats are contested, or anywhere close.0
