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Jeremy Corbyn ducks question on general election; accuses @LibbyWienerITV of 'harrassment'https://t.co/6IPEIahDbj pic.twitter.com/ZUsiTrBbRX

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  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    First
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    "The LAB media operation MUST become better"

    As if Jeremy cares about media operations. His disdain for/intense irritation with them is perfectly obvious.

    You want a better media operation? Hire a new leader. Chances of that before the full horror of the next General Election campaign? About equal to the random probability of Corbyn dying or being incapacitated, and he's looking fairly healthy right now.

    Poor, tragic Labour. You'd need to have a heart of stone not to laugh.
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    It's just Jeremy being Jeremy...
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    Black_Rook said:

    "The LAB media operation MUST become better"

    As if Jeremy cares about media operations. His disdain for/intense irritation with them is perfectly obvious.

    You want a better media operation? Hire a new leader. Chances of that before the full horror of the next General Election campaign? About equal to the random probability of Corbyn dying or being incapacitated, and he's looking fairly healthy right now.

    Poor, tragic Labour. You'd need to have a heart of stone not to laugh.

    Maybe MI5/MI6 will do Corbyn in just like Gaitskell?



  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    Black_Rook said:

    "The LAB media operation MUST become better"

    As if Jeremy cares about media operations. His disdain for/intense irritation with them is perfectly obvious.

    You want a better media operation? Hire a new leader. Chances of that before the full horror of the next General Election campaign? About equal to the random probability of Corbyn dying or being incapacitated, and he's looking fairly healthy right now.

    Poor, tragic Labour. You'd need to have a heart of stone not to laugh.

    https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/794643439078035456
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,781
    Pass....
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/johnmcternan/status/794903901380247552
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,312
    The_Taxman said:

    Black_Rook said:

    "The LAB media operation MUST become better"

    As if Jeremy cares about media operations. His disdain for/intense irritation with them is perfectly obvious.

    You want a better media operation? Hire a new leader. Chances of that before the full horror of the next General Election campaign? About equal to the random probability of Corbyn dying or being incapacitated, and he's looking fairly healthy right now.

    Poor, tragic Labour. You'd need to have a heart of stone not to laugh.

    Maybe MI5/MI6 will do Corbyn in just like Gaitskell?



    Surely KGB in that instance?
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,776
    The LAB media operation MUST become better

    Why? That assumes Mr Corbyn is working to the same game plan as all the other politicians. Presumably, by his own measures, things are going just fine the way they are.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,874
    AnneJGP said:

    The LAB media operation MUST become better

    Why? That assumes Mr Corbyn is working to the same game plan as all the other politicians. Presumably, by his own measures, things are going just fine the way they are.

    Quite right :)
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,830
    Making money out of Trump

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/craigsilverman/how-macedonia-became-a-global-hub-for-pro-trump-misinfo?utm_term=.raKEGXZ0#.dsyXkr2Z
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,526
    edited November 2016
    Eleventh
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,312
    IanB2 said:

    Eleventh

    It's not that bad for the LibDems.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    Corbyn. Making [insert name] look competent.

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    MarkHopkins said:


    Corbyn. Making [insert name] look competent.

    Tim Farron?

    Actually...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,021
    MarkHopkins said:


    Corbyn. Making [insert name] look competent.

    Corbyn. Making Theresa May look competent.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,512
    Black_Rook said:

    Black_Rook said:

    "The LAB media operation MUST become better"

    As if Jeremy cares about media operations. His disdain for/intense irritation with them is perfectly obvious.

    You want a better media operation? Hire a new leader. Chances of that before the full horror of the next General Election campaign? About equal to the random probability of Corbyn dying or being incapacitated, and he's looking fairly healthy right now.

    Poor, tragic Labour. You'd need to have a heart of stone not to laugh.

    https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/794643439078035456
    Oddly generous tweet. I'm not sure I would say Labour is becoming an irrelevance.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,021
    edited November 2016
    On topic, he's been utterly dire, in the last 36 hours a Tory MP quit slagging off Mrs May and her approach.

    Not a peep from Jez apart from tweeting about his snapchat account.

    A decent leader would have had Mrs May on the rack.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,193
    Start with the basics Jezza. If a journo asks you a question, there are three possible answers.

    Yes
    No
    That would be an ecumenical matter (and needs to be referred to the NEC)

    'Let's run away' is not a suitable response.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,321
    edited November 2016
    Bring it on Jezza.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-corbyn-gives-theresa-ultimatum-9204393#ICID=sharebar_twitter

    Apologies to others who saw this a few minutes ago.

    If Milne & Corbyn were in a brewery there would be no piss up.
  • SirBernardSirBernard Posts: 73
    According to the Daily Mirror, Jeremy Corbyn has the following red lines for Brexit:

    1. UK access to 500 million customers in Europe’s single market.
    2. No watering down of EU workplace rights.
    3. Guarantees on safeguarding consumers and the environment.
    4. Pledges on Britain picking up the tab for any EU capital investment lost by Brexit

    1 and 4 seem to be things which could be defined so nebulously they are meaningless. 2 and 3 seems to require the government to bind all its successors.
  • saddosaddo Posts: 534
    Sad for the country and Labour that this strange of of date old man, has stumbled into where he is today. He almost certainly loves that after 30 years of being ignored he gets media coverage and wouldn't like the constant ego stroking he gets.

    But as is stands, Labour are finished as a political force.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,512
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MarkHopkins said:


    Corbyn. Making [insert name] look competent.

    Corbyn. Making Theresa May look competent.
    http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/shame-to-waste-corbyn-on-a-snap-election-says-may-20161104116602
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    On topic, he's been utterly dire, in the last 36 hours a Tory MP quit slagging off Mrs May and her approach.

    Not a peep from Jez apart from tweeting about his snapchat account.

    A decent leader would have had Mrs May on the rack.

    Better than their approach when IDS resigned which managed to make the Tory party more unified.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,021
    I wrote a thread a few months ago saying a Jeremy Corbyn led Labour party would struggle with the white heat of a general election campaign.

    I'm revising my forecast, it's going to be an utter disaster.

    It'll be equivalent of the Anglo-Zanzibar war.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,298
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MarkHopkins said:


    Corbyn. Making [insert name] look competent.

    Corbyn. Making Theresa May look competent.
    Isn't Theresa 13% ahead in the polls?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,021
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MarkHopkins said:


    Corbyn. Making [insert name] look competent.

    Corbyn. Making Theresa May look competent.
    Isn't Theresa 13% ahead in the polls?
    Sic transit gloria mundi

    Even Gordon Brown led by similar amounts during his honeymoon.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    So much going on and Labour is marginal to all of it. A semi-competent Labour leader would not need to look beyond the obvious questions to torture Theresa May. Instead, we have fiascos like this.

    I can't recall a period where Britain's future looked so bleak. Nothing good can come until we have leaders to guide the nation away from the moral dregs we are now languishing in. None are remotely in sight.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,298
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I wrote a thread a few months ago saying a Jeremy Corbyn led Labour party would struggle with the white heat of a general election campaign.

    I'm revising my forecast, it's going to be an utter disaster.

    It'll be equivalent of the Indo-Pakistan War of 1971.

    :innocent:

  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,733
    SandyRentool said:

    Start with the basics Jezza. If a journo asks you a question, there are three possible answers.

    Yes
    No
    That would be an ecumenical matter (and needs to be referred to the NEC)

    'Let's run away' is not a suitable response.

    Very good Sandy :-)

    For Tories, the one biggest downside of the A50 judgement is that an early GE may lead to an early removal of Corbyn while Labour is still salavagable. Would Tories prefer 3 and a half more years of a tiny majority against an almost non-existent opposition, or a massive majority against an opposition who might actually oppose?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,298
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MarkHopkins said:


    Corbyn. Making [insert name] look competent.

    Corbyn. Making Theresa May look competent.
    Isn't Theresa 13% ahead in the polls?
    Sic transit gloria mundi

    Even Gordon Brown led by similar amounts during his honeymoon.
    In English, please!

    Brown led Cameron for a sustained period?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,021
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MarkHopkins said:


    Corbyn. Making [insert name] look competent.

    Corbyn. Making Theresa May look competent.
    Isn't Theresa 13% ahead in the polls?
    Sic transit gloria mundi

    Even Gordon Brown led by similar amounts during his honeymoon.
    In English, please!

    Brown led Cameron for a sustained period?
    For a few months, then faffed around about whether or not to call an early general election.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,512
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I wrote a thread a few months ago saying a Jeremy Corbyn led Labour party would struggle with the white heat of a general election campaign.

    I'm revising my forecast, it's going to be an utter disaster.

    It'll be equivalent of the Anglo-Zanzibar war.

    I thought they did at least manage to fire a few shots before their navy was sunk at 15 minutes in.

    Would Corbyn even manage that?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,021
    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I wrote a thread a few months ago saying a Jeremy Corbyn led Labour party would struggle with the white heat of a general election campaign.

    I'm revising my forecast, it's going to be an utter disaster.

    It'll be equivalent of the Anglo-Zanzibar war.

    I thought they did at least manage to fire a few shots before their navy was sunk at 15 minutes in.

    Would Corbyn even manage that?
    I think Corbyn would sink his own side within 15 minutes
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    ydoethur said:

    Black_Rook said:

    Black_Rook said:

    "The LAB media operation MUST become better"

    As if Jeremy cares about media operations. His disdain for/intense irritation with them is perfectly obvious.

    You want a better media operation? Hire a new leader. Chances of that before the full horror of the next General Election campaign? About equal to the random probability of Corbyn dying or being incapacitated, and he's looking fairly healthy right now.

    Poor, tragic Labour. You'd need to have a heart of stone not to laugh.

    https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/794643439078035456
    Oddly generous tweet. I'm not sure I would say Labour is becoming an irrelevance.
    Labour is unbecoming, an irrelevance.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,512
    edited November 2016
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I wrote a thread a few months ago saying a Jeremy Corbyn led Labour party would struggle with the white heat of a general election campaign.

    I'm revising my forecast, it's going to be an utter disaster.

    It'll be equivalent of the Anglo-Zanzibar war.

    I thought they did at least manage to fire a few shots before their navy was sunk at 15 minutes in.

    Would Corbyn even manage that?
    I think Corbyn would sink his own side within 15 minutes
    So more the equivalent of the Battle of Barnet?

    Edit - or that German aeroplane which attacked two of its own destroyers in 1941?
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I wrote a thread a few months ago saying a Jeremy Corbyn led Labour party would struggle with the white heat of a general election campaign.

    I'm revising my forecast, it's going to be an utter disaster.

    It'll be equivalent of the Anglo-Zanzibar war.

    I had to look up the Anglo-Zanzibar War. My goodness.

    Do you think that Labour's chances are that good? :-))

    Seriously, this is liable to severely test my hypothesis that Labour won't drop much below 25% in the next election.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,298
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MarkHopkins said:


    Corbyn. Making [insert name] look competent.

    Corbyn. Making Theresa May look competent.
    Isn't Theresa 13% ahead in the polls?
    Sic transit gloria mundi

    Even Gordon Brown led by similar amounts during his honeymoon.
    In English, please!

    Brown led Cameron for a sustained period?
    For a few months, then faffed around about whether or not to call an early general election.
    Hasn't Theresa been ahead of Jezza ever since she became PM?
  • SirBernardSirBernard Posts: 73
    AlastairMeeks said:

    So much going on and Labour is marginal to all of it. A semi-competent Labour leader would not need to look beyond the obvious questions to torture Theresa May. Instead, we have fiascos like this.

    I can't recall a period where Britain's future looked so bleak. Nothing good can come until we have leaders to guide the nation away from the moral dregs we are now languishing in. None are remotely in sight.

    I reckon the first couple months of May have suggested she could be our best Prime Minister since Thatcher.

    The lack of ability is within the opposition parties. Right now it's looking like Paul Nuttall will be the most talented of the lot.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,512
    williamglenn said:

    ydoethur said:

    Black_Rook said:

    Black_Rook said:

    "The LAB media operation MUST become better"

    As if Jeremy cares about media operations. His disdain for/intense irritation with them is perfectly obvious.

    You want a better media operation? Hire a new leader. Chances of that before the full horror of the next General Election campaign? About equal to the random probability of Corbyn dying or being incapacitated, and he's looking fairly healthy right now.

    Poor, tragic Labour. You'd need to have a heart of stone not to laugh.

    https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/794643439078035456
    Oddly generous tweet. I'm not sure I would say Labour is becoming an irrelevance.
    Labour is unbecoming, an irrelevance.
    +1
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Great post on Facebook today (not aimed at me!) -

    You're not yourself today: I saw the improvement immediately
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MarkHopkins said:


    Corbyn. Making [insert name] look competent.

    Corbyn. Making Theresa May look competent.
    I take it you're not a big fan TSE .... following on from other recent comments, do I detect that you are moving slowly but inexorably away from the Conservative party?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,021
    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I wrote a thread a few months ago saying a Jeremy Corbyn led Labour party would struggle with the white heat of a general election campaign.

    I'm revising my forecast, it's going to be an utter disaster.

    It'll be equivalent of the Anglo-Zanzibar war.

    I thought they did at least manage to fire a few shots before their navy was sunk at 15 minutes in.

    Would Corbyn even manage that?
    I think Corbyn would sink his own side within 15 minutes
    So more the equivalent of the Battle of Barnet?

    Edit - or that German aeroplane which attacked two of its own destroyers in 1941?
    Theresa May is no Yorkist
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,495
    JohnO said:

    The_Taxman said:

    Black_Rook said:

    "The LAB media operation MUST become better"

    As if Jeremy cares about media operations. His disdain for/intense irritation with them is perfectly obvious.

    You want a better media operation? Hire a new leader. Chances of that before the full horror of the next General Election campaign? About equal to the random probability of Corbyn dying or being incapacitated, and he's looking fairly healthy right now.

    Poor, tragic Labour. You'd need to have a heart of stone not to laugh.

    Maybe MI5/MI6 will do Corbyn in just like Gaitskell?



    Surely KGB in that instance?
    Pretty much indistinguishable at that point..
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    On topic, he's been utterly dire, in the last 36 hours a Tory MP quit slagging off Mrs May and her approach.

    Not a peep from Jez apart from tweeting about his snapchat account.

    A decent leader would have had Mrs May on the rack.

    TSE must absolutely loath Teresa May; and why because she said the words that Brexit is Brexit, even if it is without meaning.
  • 619619 Posts: 1,784
    errmmmm

    https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/795014815261618180
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,512
    619 said:

    errmmmm

    https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/795014815261618180

    Don't blame him, the WI gave Blair a nasty heckling, I hate to think what they would do to Trump.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,298
    MikeK said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    On topic, he's been utterly dire, in the last 36 hours a Tory MP quit slagging off Mrs May and her approach.

    Not a peep from Jez apart from tweeting about his snapchat account.

    A decent leader would have had Mrs May on the rack.

    TSE must absolutely loath Teresa May; and why because she said the words that Brexit is Brexit, even if it is without meaning.
    TSE's public school-boy misogyny.
  • 619619 Posts: 1,784
    sounds like AA EV in florida is up

    https://twitter.com/ezraklein/status/794993353976844288
  • SeaShantyIrishSeaShantyIrish Posts: 117
    "The LAB media operation MUST become better"

    Tough to do when your Fearless Leader is a garden gnome . . .
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Is there any site where I could get an overview of turnout trends in the US election?
  • DadgeDadge Posts: 2,052
    MikeK said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    On topic, he's been utterly dire, in the last 36 hours a Tory MP quit slagging off Mrs May and her approach.

    Not a peep from Jez apart from tweeting about his snapchat account.

    A decent leader would have had Mrs May on the rack.

    TSE must absolutely loath Teresa May; and why because she said the words that Brexit is Brexit, even if it is without meaning.
    I don't loathe T May - I was happy to see her take over from DC - but she is letting the country down more and more by the day as she shows few signs of effective leadership on Brexit (or aught else) at a time when the country is in limbo and feeling flakier by the day.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,021
    SeaShantyIrish said:

    "The LAB media operation MUST become better"

    Tough to do when your Fearless Leader is a garden gnome . . .

    Welcome Back!
  • SeaShantyIrishSeaShantyIrish Posts: 117
    WHY has The Donald ignored the burning issue of Canadian occupation of sovereign US territory . . . namely MACHIAS SEAL ISLAND??????\

    COULD it be because Putin has ordered him to stay off this otherwise Trumpian topic????

    TSE, BTW how are you getting along re: legal research on the West West Virginia project?
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    MikeK said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    On topic, he's been utterly dire, in the last 36 hours a Tory MP quit slagging off Mrs May and her approach.

    Not a peep from Jez apart from tweeting about his snapchat account.

    A decent leader would have had Mrs May on the rack.

    TSE must absolutely loath Teresa May; and why because she said the words that Brexit is Brexit, even if it is without meaning.
    TSE's public school-boy misogyny.
    Another charmless and unjustified attack from you.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    Cookie said:

    SandyRentool said:

    Start with the basics Jezza. If a journo asks you a question, there are three possible answers.

    Yes
    No
    That would be an ecumenical matter (and needs to be referred to the NEC)

    'Let's run away' is not a suitable response.

    Very good Sandy :-)

    For Tories, the one biggest downside of the A50 judgement is that an early GE may lead to an early removal of Corbyn while Labour is still salavagable. Would Tories prefer 3 and a half more years of a tiny majority against an almost non-existent opposition, or a massive majority against an opposition who might actually oppose?
    Exactly why I think May is so keen to avoid an early election. It is much better for her to deal with the Brexit complexities - which are very likely to have at least some negative consequences - whilst the Opposition is both unelectable and prostrate.

    She can destroy Labour after she's dealt with the EU.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,021
    SeaShantyIrish said:

    WHY has The Donald ignored the burning issue of Canadian occupation of sovereign US territory . . . namely MACHIAS SEAL ISLAND??????\

    COULD it be because Putin has ordered him to stay off this otherwise Trumpian topic????

    TSE, BTW how are you getting along re: legal research on the West West Virginia project?

    Alas my research in America these days is limited to New York and Boston
  • SeaShantyIrishSeaShantyIrish Posts: 117
    Breakiing News - just heard via back-teeth fillings, that internal Clinton campaign polling now show Hilary & other top Dem candidates are now ahead in New Hampshire.
  • steve_garnersteve_garner Posts: 1,019
    Dadge said:

    MikeK said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    On topic, he's been utterly dire, in the last 36 hours a Tory MP quit slagging off Mrs May and her approach.

    Not a peep from Jez apart from tweeting about his snapchat account.

    A decent leader would have had Mrs May on the rack.

    TSE must absolutely loath Teresa May; and why because she said the words that Brexit is Brexit, even if it is without meaning.
    I don't loathe T May - I was happy to see her take over from DC - but she is letting the country down more and more by the day as she shows few signs of effective leadership on Brexit (or aught else) at a time when the country is in limbo and feeling flakier by the day.
    Ok, who do you think would do better as PM?

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,298
    edited November 2016
    Jobabob said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    MikeK said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    On topic, he's been utterly dire, in the last 36 hours a Tory MP quit slagging off Mrs May and her approach.

    Not a peep from Jez apart from tweeting about his snapchat account.

    A decent leader would have had Mrs May on the rack.

    TSE must absolutely loath Teresa May; and why because she said the words that Brexit is Brexit, even if it is without meaning.
    TSE's public school-boy misogyny.
    Another charmless and unjustified attack from you.
    I was just trolling him, you humourless Lefty! :lol:
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    SirBernard said:

    The lack of ability is within the opposition parties. Right now it's looking like Paul Nuttall will be the most talented of the lot.

    Very helpful to the Tories if true. Labour will have to fight on another front, and it's nowhere near capable of dealing with its current problems.
  • EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,966
    I (ironically) follow 'Jeremy Corbyn for PM' on Facebook - they just posted this article, in which Corbyn 'threatens' May with an early election.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-corbyn-gives-theresa-ultimatum-9204393#ICID=sharebar_twitter

    LOL
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,298
    Essexit said:

    I (ironically) follow 'Jeremy Corbyn for PM' on Facebook - they just posted this article, in which Corbyn 'threatens' May with an early election.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-corbyn-gives-theresa-ultimatum-9204393#ICID=sharebar_twitter

    LOL

    A bit like Luxembourg threatening Germany in 1914.
  • SirBernardSirBernard Posts: 73
    Theresa May has read the electorate much better than Gordon Brown. She has squarely positioned herself between the two largest groups, Common Sense and Our Britain.

    http://opinium.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Dead-Centre-British-politics4_lr.pdf

    David Cameron was better than Brown, but even he gave up on Our Britain, 25% of the electorate, to pursue New Britain, 6% of them.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,512
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Essexit said:

    I (ironically) follow 'Jeremy Corbyn for PM' on Facebook - they just posted this article, in which Corbyn 'threatens' May with an early election.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-corbyn-gives-theresa-ultimatum-9204393#ICID=sharebar_twitter

    LOL

    A bit like Luxembourg threatening Germany in 1914.
    Surely you mean Andorra? :wink:
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,776
    SandyRentool said:

    Start with the basics Jezza. If a journo asks you a question, there are three possible answers.

    Yes
    No
    That would be an ecumenical matter (and needs to be referred to the NEC)

    'Let's run away' is not a suitable response.

    To my mind, the question is really the other way around.

    What is Mr Corbyn's agenda, given that it makes 'running away' the right response when a journalist asks a standard political question? We must assume, I believe, that Mr Corbyn believes it is the appropriate response.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,874
    Minnesota must be like ECV 340 for Trump or something
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,107
    https://youtu.be/x9MvEZskR6o
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Dadge said:

    MikeK said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    On topic, he's been utterly dire, in the last 36 hours a Tory MP quit slagging off Mrs May and her approach.

    Not a peep from Jez apart from tweeting about his snapchat account.

    A decent leader would have had Mrs May on the rack.

    TSE must absolutely loath Teresa May; and why because she said the words that Brexit is Brexit, even if it is without meaning.
    I don't loathe T May - I was happy to see her take over from DC - but she is letting the country down more and more by the day as she shows few signs of effective leadership on Brexit (or aught else) at a time when the country is in limbo and feeling flakier by the day.
    Your attitude to May denotes a personal bias apart from the politics. I myself think that May is a weak leader who to some extent still sits on the fence, and would not stand a chance against top Tories if she was forced to stand against them in a party vote.
  • nielhnielh Posts: 1,307
    SirBernard said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    So much going on and Labour is marginal to all of it. A semi-competent Labour leader would not need to look beyond the obvious questions to torture Theresa May. Instead, we have fiascos like this.

    I can't recall a period where Britain's future looked so bleak. Nothing good can come until we have leaders to guide the nation away from the moral dregs we are now languishing in. None are remotely in sight.

    I reckon the first couple months of May have suggested she could be our best Prime Minister since Thatcher.

    The lack of ability is within the opposition parties. Right now it's looking like Paul Nuttall will be the most talented of the lot.
    SirBernard said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    So much going on and Labour is marginal to all of it. A semi-competent Labour leader would not need to look beyond the obvious questions to torture Theresa May. Instead, we have fiascos like this.

    I can't recall a period where Britain's future looked so bleak. Nothing good can come until we have leaders to guide the nation away from the moral dregs we are now languishing in. None are remotely in sight.

    I reckon the first couple months of May have suggested she could be our best Prime Minister since Thatcher.

    The lack of ability is within the opposition parties. Right now it's looking like Paul Nuttall will be the most talented of the lot.
    I agree that May has shown Merkel like abilities to manage the multiple constitutional, political, social and economic crises that are unfolding. I disagree with much of her agenda, but the idea of Corbyn as PM is unthinkable for most people, so she could well end up as a thatcher like figure.

  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,182
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Essexit said:

    I (ironically) follow 'Jeremy Corbyn for PM' on Facebook - they just posted this article, in which Corbyn 'threatens' May with an early election.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-corbyn-gives-theresa-ultimatum-9204393#ICID=sharebar_twitter

    LOL

    A bit like Luxembourg threatening Germany in 1914.
    The mouse that roared.
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    edited November 2016
    As has been pointed out often, Corbyn has his own parochial agenda. He *believes* in something, in this case I guess something to do with Trot games of the sixties and seventies. Trying to turn him into a leader with a wider base would be like trying to argue with a creationist who say there's no proof of evolution. Both *know* they're right and that nurtures their unwisdom
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    The feeling is that Hillary is failing to get her votes out in these last 72 hours before the opening bell.
  • 619619 Posts: 1,784
    Pulpstar said:

    Minnesota must be like ECV 340 for Trump or something

    here is why

    https://twitter.com/Taniel/status/795003414354817024
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,021
    It was the Mail that was indirectly responsible for the Weiner problems for Hillary, now they may have screwed Trump's chances

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/795019933130358784
  • EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,966
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Essexit said:

    I (ironically) follow 'Jeremy Corbyn for PM' on Facebook - they just posted this article, in which Corbyn 'threatens' May with an early election.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-corbyn-gives-theresa-ultimatum-9204393#ICID=sharebar_twitter

    LOL

    A bit like Luxembourg threatening Germany in 1914.
    XD you can always count on PB for a top-notch historical comparison.
  • DadgeDadge Posts: 2,052
    Black_Rook said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I wrote a thread a few months ago saying a Jeremy Corbyn led Labour party would struggle with the white heat of a general election campaign.

    I'm revising my forecast, it's going to be an utter disaster.

    It'll be equivalent of the Anglo-Zanzibar war.

    I had to look up the Anglo-Zanzibar War. My goodness.

    Do you think that Labour's chances are that good? :-))

    Seriously, this is liable to severely test my hypothesis that Labour won't drop much below 25% in the next election.
    I don't think Labour will do too badly in the GE. Worse than Milliband, but not much worse. But it will be defining election because unless UKIP make the breakthrough and win a few seats, I think Labour will have more or less seen off the UKIP threat. (In this regard it's helpful to Labour's chances that JC wants to see Brexit through.)

    I'm reasonably positive about Labour's chances because they have large numbers of very enthusiastic troops and a still-effective party machine, and there is some mileage in JC's quiet-man persona. And although the Mail and Sun will tear him to shreds, I don't think the other parties will get a smooth ride either.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,232
    SeanT said:

    An indescribably stupid, dangerous article from the hitherto admirable Nick Cohen

    Bangs on (fairly eloquently) about the "paranoid radical right"

    But then subtly admits, at the end, that Yes he hopes the referendum can be overturned.


    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/05/brexit-right-politics-speaking-for-the-people?CMP=share_btn_tw

    No wonder the sceptic papers are frothing and the rightwingers are paranoid: they are right to be so. Elements in the metropolitan mattering classes want to reverse the vote. I reckon half of the Remainers on here would reverse it, if they can, any way they could, no matter what they say.

    For the first time I sincerely wonder if this will end in violence. Remainers need to get a grip.

    It's the hope that will ruin them, losing any mitigation efforts with the dream of preventing it altogether.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,908
    I did misguidedly think Corbyn might have learnt something from the first 12 months but it's not looking like it. There are more open goals at the moment than playing The Faeroes after half their team were sent off, but The Politburo seem to be playing at right angles to everybody else and punting the ball into row Z above the half way line.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,021
    https://twitter.com/election_data/status/795021263982968832
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    SeanT said:

    For the first time I sincerely wonder if this will end in violence. Remainers need to get a grip.

    Umm, the folk inciting civil disobedience after the judgement were Brexiteers.

    If you are worried about violence, tell your friends to STFU for a bit
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,182
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    It was the Mail that was indirectly responsible for the Weiner problems for Hillary, now they may have screwed Trump's chances

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/795019933130358784

    It's the WSJ
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,021
    geoffw said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    It was the Mail that was indirectly responsible for the Weiner problems for Hillary, now they may have screwed Trump's chances

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/795019933130358784

    It's the WSJ
    Bugger.

    I'm surprised it wasn't posted on PB.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Monksfield said:

    I did misguidedly think Corbyn might have learnt something from the first 12 months but it's not looking like it. There are more open goals at the moment than playing The Faeroes after half their team were sent off, but The Politburo seem to be playing at right angles to everybody else and punting the ball into row Z above the half way line.

    @ObiDanKelnobi: @STJamesl @montie He doesn't have the numbers to 'force' anything. Only Corbyn could fail at a bid to commit political suicide...
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,908
    Scott_P said:

    SeanT said:

    For the first time I sincerely wonder if this will end in violence. Remainers need to get a grip.

    Umm, the folk inciting civil disobedience after the judgement were Brexiteers.

    If you are worried about violence, tell your friends to STFU for a bit
    Quite. It's the fucking leavers who are threatening pitchforks all the time.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,107
    Scott_P said:

    SeanT said:

    For the first time I sincerely wonder if this will end in violence. Remainers need to get a grip.

    Umm, the folk inciting civil disobedience after the judgement were Brexiteers.

    If you are worried about violence, tell your friends to STFU for a bit
    All the Mr and Mrs Angrys out there need to calm down.
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    It was the Mail that was indirectly responsible for the Weiner problems for Hillary, now they may have screwed Trump's chances

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/795019933130358784

    Can't imagine this will make much difference.

    Note: the brunette in the corner is not the Trump girl
  • steve_garnersteve_garner Posts: 1,019
    Forget politics. Extraordinary Irish rugby performance against the All Blacks right now.
  • EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,966
    SeanT said:

    An indescribably stupid, dangerous article from the hitherto admirable Nick Cohen

    Bangs on (fairly eloquently) about the "paranoid radical right"

    But then subtly admits, at the end, that Yes he hopes the referendum can be overturned.


    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/05/brexit-right-politics-speaking-for-the-people?CMP=share_btn_tw

    No wonder the sceptic papers are frothing and the rightwingers are paranoid: they are right to be so. Elements in the metropolitan mattering classes want to reverse the vote. I reckon half of the Remainers on here would reverse it, if they can, any way they could, no matter what they say.

    For the first time I sincerely wonder if this will end in violence. Remainers need to get a grip.

    Well said. The business about Parliament voting on triggering Article 50 would be neither here nor there if we had reason to believe it would just be the rubber-stamp it should. Now even Jeremy Corbyn (see the Mirror article I posted) is among those threatening to delay, water down, or block it.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,232
    It's hard sometimes, as a political wonk, to realise that even though Corbyn comes across as so very lacking in leadership quality (when away from the leadership hustings) that even though with much reason for misgivings, it seems like May is the only choice in a head to head, millions upon millions will vote for a party Corbyn leads. It's such a shock that I bounce back and consider, could he in fact actually do quite well? I find it hard to credit such a situation, but the Tories are not without problems, so maybe? But how, when you see this sort of thing from him?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,298
    SeanT said:


    Elements in the metropolitan mattering classes want to reverse the vote. I reckon half of the Remainers on here would reverse it, if they can, any way they could, no matter what they say.


    http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/10/18/the-nearest-run-thing/

    image
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Look who's here:
    https://twitter.com/nufcno1fan/status/794922608961683457
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,021
    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:

    SeanT said:

    For the first time I sincerely wonder if this will end in violence. Remainers need to get a grip.

    Umm, the folk inciting civil disobedience after the judgement were Brexiteers.

    If you are worried about violence, tell your friends to STFU for a bit
    People like you should just leave the internet. You lost. Get over it. Move on. But more importantly, go away and never be heard from, again.

    This is the only way we can heal the division, the losers - your lot - have to accept that you lost, that this is lost, that you have lost, stop trying to overturn the result whatever way you can, and go away and never be heard from again.

    Basically, you have to disappear. GO.
    You mean like the leavers did after the 1975 referendum?

    Remember a few days before the 2016 referendum Farage said he wouldn't stop fighting for Leave if Remain won 52-48
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    in other news...

    @MrAndrewCotter: The All Blacks great run ended by epic Ireland performance in Chicago. First ever win over New Zealand in 111 years of trying. Superb.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,232
    edited November 2016
    Jonathan said:

    Scott_P said:

    SeanT said:

    For the first time I sincerely wonder if this will end in violence. Remainers need to get a grip.

    Umm, the folk inciting civil disobedience after the judgement were Brexiteers.

    If you are worried about violence, tell your friends to STFU for a bit
    All the Mr and Mrs Angrys out there need to calm down.

    Indeed. It's going to be hard making the best of it if one bunch are prepared to ignore a referendum (without a care to gaining a similar democratic endorsement) and the other side overreact out of fear of that happening.
  • DadgeDadge Posts: 2,052
    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:

    SeanT said:

    For the first time I sincerely wonder if this will end in violence. Remainers need to get a grip.

    Umm, the folk inciting civil disobedience after the judgement were Brexiteers.

    If you are worried about violence, tell your friends to STFU for a bit
    People like you should just leave the internet. You lost. Get over it. Move on. But more importantly, go away and never be heard from, again.

    This is the only way we can heal the division, the losers - your lot - have to accept that you lost, that this is lost, that you have lost, stop trying to overturn the result whatever way you can, and go away and never be heard from again.

    Basically, you have to disappear. GO.
    How many whiskies have you had? Calm down.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    All Blacks got fucking spanked by Ireland.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,021
    MikeK said:

    Look who's here:
    https://twitter.com/nufcno1fan/status/794922608961683457

    You know that's from 2014 right?
  • EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,966
    Dadge said:

    I'm reasonably positive about Labour's chances because they have large numbers of very enthusiastic troops and a still-effective party machine, and there is some mileage in JC's quiet-man persona. And although the Mail and Sun will tear him to shreds, I don't think the other parties will get a smooth ride either.

    Very enthusiastic troops on social media =/= Very enthusiastic troops on the ground
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    kle4 said:

    It's hard sometimes, as a political wonk, to realise that even though Corbyn comes across as so very lacking in leadership quality (when away from the leadership hustings) that even though with much reason for misgivings, it seems like May is the only choice in a head to head, millions upon millions will vote for a party Corbyn leads. It's such a shock that I bounce back and consider, could he in fact actually do quite well? I find it hard to credit such a situation, but the Tories are not without problems, so maybe? But how, when you see this sort of thing from him?

    An electorate where barely 30% of voters were willing to vote for Labour under Ed Miliband is not going to deliver as good a result for Labour under Jeremy Corbyn. There's certainly very little chance of meaningful voter movement from either Con or Ukip to Lab, particularly the former.

    The Far Left platform is not an election winning prospect, especially in England where 5 in 6 seats are contested, or anywhere close.
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