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LibDem swing in Darwell will be interesting. 59% Leave. Hmm

Looking forward to the new 600 seat map. Good stuff. Thx.

National = Pew - Sample 2,120 - 20-25 Oct

Clinton 46 .. Trump 40

http://www.people-press.org/2016/10/27/as-election-nears-voters-divided-over-democracy-and-respect/

ThomasNashe said:

Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?

Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?

RobD said:

ThomasNashe said:

Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?

Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?

The point is that for any other politician the last people they'd want to get into an argument with is the bereaved family of a soldier who died in the service of the nation.

North Carolina - Virginia - Iowa - Georgia - Quinnipiac - All 20-26 Oct

NC - Clinton 50 .. Trump 44 - Sample 702
VA - Clinton 53 .. Trump 40 - Sample 749
IA - Clinton 46 .. Trump 47 - Sample 791
GA - Clinton 46 .. Trump 46 - Sample 707

https://poll.qu.edu/2016-presidential-swing-state-polls/release-detail?ReleaseID=2397

weejonnie said:

RobD said:

ThomasNashe said:

Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?

Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?

It's the BBC - Britain Backs Clinton.

Or in the US, as Katie Hopkins has just told a CNN interviewer to her face, it is the 'Clinton News Network'
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/katie-hopkins-accuses-cnn-of-being-clinton-news-network_uk_58120043e4b0ccfc9561f3ee

RobD said:

ThomasNashe said:

Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?

Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?

And it's comments he made several weeks ago that Khan has only chosen to comment on now. It's like he's campaigning for Hillary or something

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Not long now to end this dreadful US election. I am past caring but am very embarrassed for the US having such dreadful candidates and cannot see a happy ending no matter who wins

Drawing equivalence between the two candidates says more about your own prejudices than anything g else.

Frankly right ideologues, who know intuitively that Trump is diabolical, and still cannot bring themselves to say maybe it is better that the US go with Hillary, really demonstrate how blinded they are by their ideology.

I prefer Plato and MonikaDi Canio to be honest. At least they have a refreshing honesty

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

ThomasNashe said:

Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?

Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?

The issue is Trump saying "Had I been president, Captain Khan would be alive today. We wouldn't have been in this horrible, horrible mistake, the war in Iraq,"

Except for the fact he was a supporter of the Iraq war

Saying "yes, I guess" in an interviewer doesn't make you a supporter

Charles said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

ThomasNashe said:

Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?

Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?

The issue is Trump saying "Had I been president, Captain Khan would be alive today. We wouldn't have been in this horrible, horrible mistake, the war in Iraq,"

Except for the fact he was a supporter of the Iraq war

Saying "yes, I guess" in an interviewer doesn't make you a supporter

He said more than 'yes, I guess'

TheScreamingEagles said:

Charles said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

ThomasNashe said:

Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?

Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?

The issue is Trump saying "Had I been president, Captain Khan would be alive today. We wouldn't have been in this horrible, horrible mistake, the war in Iraq,"

Except for the fact he was a supporter of the Iraq war

Saying "yes, I guess" in an interviewer doesn't make you a supporter

He said more than 'yes, I guess'

Didn't he change his stance pretty early on though?

619 said:

RobD said:

ThomasNashe said:

RobD said:

ThomasNashe said:

Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?

Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?

The point is that for any other politician the last people they'd want to get into an argument with is the bereaved family of a soldier who died in the service of the nation.

Yes, and his response is far better than it was several months ago. It still doesn't change the unpleasant truth.

Isnt that the republicans fault for invading Iraq though?

And the GOP hate trump. Your point?

RobD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Charles said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

ThomasNashe said:

Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?

Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?

The issue is Trump saying "Had I been president, Captain Khan would be alive today. We wouldn't have been in this horrible, horrible mistake, the war in Iraq,"

Except for the fact he was a supporter of the Iraq war

Saying "yes, I guess" in an interviewer doesn't make you a supporter

He said more than 'yes, I guess'

Didn't he change his stance pretty early on though?

It mirrored the US public, the other issue is he's portraying himself as someone who was out marching in 2003 against the Iraq War

619 said:

former miss finland accuses Trump of sexual assault. Number 12

He definitely knew her

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/27/former-miss-finland-becomes-12th-woman-to-accuse-trump-of-sexual/

"He definitely knew her"

then he must be guilty!

619 said:

Trump seems confused about early voting

https://twitter.com/realDenaldTrump/status/791724755615420416

You have to look quite closely at the name on that tweet.

tyson said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Not long now to end this dreadful US election. I am past caring but am very embarrassed for the US having such dreadful candidates and cannot see a happy ending no matter who wins

Drawing equivalence between the two candidates says more about your own prejudices than anything g else.

Frankly right ideologues, who know intuitively that Trump is diabolical, and still cannot bring themselves to say maybe it is better that the US go with Hillary, really demonstrate how blinded they are by their ideology.

I prefer Plato and MonikaDi Canio to be honest. At least they have a refreshing honesty

If I was American I would probably vote for Hillary with reservations but as a Brit I think Trump is a better bet for post-Brexit UK, his trade adviser has said he will do a trade deal with the UK before the EU, Hillary, like Obama, would put the UK 'at the back of the queue' behind the EU.

Charles said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/791739350816002048

Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or something

The remoaner's are so distressed by this deal they will do or say anything to try to discredit the Government or the Company. The fact is the 'little people' will be glad to see a Government on their side

The Vice President of Nissan confirmed Sunderland will become a Global factory and that they intend engineering and sourcing parts within the UK.

Sweden is fretting over the loss of exports to the UK, Brussels carpet makers are losing out also, the Irish are crossing the borders to take advantage of the pound and the German car manufacturers have said they will not accept tariffs for the 850,000 cars exported to the UK. They will drive the exit deal, not Drunker's and his elite

Poland have today demanded the loss of powers for the Commission and the resignation of Juncker.

The WTO have said that the UK's trade would transfer seamlessly on exit of the single market.

All in all a good day for Independent UK

TheScreamingEagles said:

Charles said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

ThomasNashe said:

Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?

Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?

The issue is Trump saying "Had I been president, Captain Khan would be alive today. We wouldn't have been in this horrible, horrible mistake, the war in Iraq,"

Except for the fact he was a supporter of the Iraq war

Saying "yes, I guess" in an interviewer doesn't make you a supporter

He said more than 'yes, I guess'

Do you support the Nazis?

"Yeah I guess so".

I didn't support the Nazis. What?

Chris said:

619 said:

Trump seems confused about early voting

https://twitter.com/realDenaldTrump/status/791724755615420416

You have to look quite closely at the name on that tweet.

I wonder why he didn't use a capital i for the L, which (assuming Twitter allows such) would disguise the spoof completely.

Charles said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

ThomasNashe said:

Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?

Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?

The issue is Trump saying "Had I been president, Captain Khan would be alive today. We wouldn't have been in this horrible, horrible mistake, the war in Iraq,"

Except for the fact he was a supporter of the Iraq war

Saying "yes, I guess" in an interviewer doesn't make you a supporter

But it definitely disqualifies you as an opponent.

IanB2 said:

Chris said:

619 said:

Trump seems confused about early voting

https://twitter.com/realDenaldTrump/status/791724755615420416

You have to look quite closely at the name on that tweet.

I wonder why he didn't use a capital i for the L, which (assuming Twitter allows such) would disguise the spoof completely.

I was thinking Trurnp (i.e. TRURNP) might be harder to spot.

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Charles said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/791739350816002048

Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or something

The remoaner's are so distressed by this deal they will do or say anything to try to discredit the Government or the Company. The fact is the 'little people' will be glad to see a Government on their side

The Vice President of Nissan confirmed Sunderland will become a Global factory and that they intend engineering and sourcing parts within the UK.

Sweden is fretting over the loss of exports to the UK, Brussels carpet makers are losing out also, the Irish are crossing the borders to take advantage of the pound and the German car manufacturers have said they will not accept tariffs for the 850,000 cars exported to the UK. They will drive the exit deal, not Drunker's and his elite

Poland have today demanded the loss of powers for the Commission and the resignation of Juncker.

The WTO have said that the UK's trade would transfer seamlessly on exit of the single market.

All in all a good day for Independent UK

The Remoaners' behaviour today has been quite illuminating. It is obvious that they would prefer to see the UK suffer in order to push their Europhile agenda.

HYUFD said:

tyson said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Not long now to end this dreadful US election. I am past caring but am very embarrassed for the US having such dreadful candidates and cannot see a happy ending no matter who wins

Drawing equivalence between the two candidates says more about your own prejudices than anything g else.

Frankly right ideologues, who know intuitively that Trump is diabolical, and still cannot bring themselves to say maybe it is better that the US go with Hillary, really demonstrate how blinded they are by their ideology.

I prefer Plato and MonikaDi Canio to be honest. At least they have a refreshing honesty

If I was American I would probably vote for Hillary with reservations but as a Brit I think Trump is a better bet for post-Brexit UK, his trade adviser has said he will do a trade deal with the UK before the EU, Hillary, like Obama, would put the UK 'at the back of the queue' behind the EU.

Agreements with trump wouldn't be worth the paper they're written on.

That's how scary this election is.

FrancisUrquhart said:

nunu said:

HYUFD said:

tyson said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Not long now to end this dreadful US election. I am past caring but am very embarrassed for the US having such dreadful candidates and cannot see a happy ending no matter who wins

Drawing equivalence between the two candidates says more about your own prejudices than anything g else.

Frankly right ideologues, who know intuitively that Trump is diabolical, and still cannot bring themselves to say maybe it is better that the US go with Hillary, really demonstrate how blinded they are by their ideology.

I prefer Plato and MonikaDi Canio to be honest. At least they have a refreshing honesty

If I was American I would probably vote for Hillary with reservations but as a Brit I think Trump is a better bet for post-Brexit UK, his trade adviser has said he will do a trade deal with the UK before the EU, Hillary, like Obama, would put the UK 'at the back of the queue' behind the EU.

If I was in Poland I would be very fearful of a Trump presidency.

I might be wrong but didn't the poles elect a lot that make trump look like president pc.

Poland won't invade Russia. On the other hand.....


But difference is America is racially divided and has deep seated problems with race, and they don't need someone who will make those divisions much worse.

Charles said:

RobD said:

Charles said:

RobD said:

ThomasNashe said:

Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?

Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?

And it's comments he made several weeks ago that Khan has only chosen to comment on now. It's like he's campaigning for Hillary or something

I think it's actually stated in the article he's campaigning for Hillary

I know. It's called irony...

Ah, sorry!

Theuniondivvie said:

Charles said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

ThomasNashe said:

Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?

Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?

The issue is Trump saying "Had I been president, Captain Khan would be alive today. We wouldn't have been in this horrible, horrible mistake, the war in Iraq,"

Except for the fact he was a supporter of the Iraq war

Saying "yes, I guess" in an interviewer doesn't make you a supporter

But it definitely disqualifies you as an opponent.

The version I had was the interviewer asking him several times and him deflecting before finally saying "yeah I guess" And moving in to more interesting stuff. Came across to me as "don't know don't care" rather than anything stronger

UKIP backing Zak (which I suspect also has something to do with avoiding another poor result) may well help the LibDems, in an area like Richmond. Indeed I wouldnt be surprised to see the LibDems start referring to him as "..backed by UKIP".

MP_SE said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Charles said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/791739350816002048

Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or something

The remoaner's are so distressed by this deal they will do or say anything to try to discredit the Government or the Company. The fact is the 'little people' will be glad to see a Government on their side

The Vice President of Nissan confirmed Sunderland will become a Global factory and that they intend engineering and sourcing parts within the UK.

Sweden is fretting over the loss of exports to the UK, Brussels carpet makers are losing out also, the Irish are crossing the borders to take advantage of the pound and the German car manufacturers have said they will not accept tariffs for the 850,000 cars exported to the UK. They will drive the exit deal, not Drunker's and his elite

Poland have today demanded the loss of powers for the Commission and the resignation of Juncker.

The WTO have said that the UK's trade would transfer seamlessly on exit of the single market.

All in all a good day for Independent UK

The Remoaners' behaviour today has been quite illuminating. It is obvious that they would prefer to see the UK suffer in order to push their Europhile agenda.

It is legitimate to ask what the deal offered to Nissan was. If it was a cost to the government then that is a transfer from the taxpayer to a private company (albeit one which provides benefit to a subset of those taxpayers). If they make that transfer in this case, what other transfers to other private companies will be promised? And why to this sub sector of the economy?

Look at it as analogous to buying fair trade products. Unambiguously benefiting those producers but an unbalanced transfer of wealth for the overall economy which introduces inefficiencies into the system.

RobD said:

nunu said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

nunu said:

HYUFD said:

tyson said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Not long now to end this dreadful US election. I am past caring but am very embarrassed for the US having such dreadful candidates and cannot see a happy ending no matter who wins

Drawing equivalence between the two candidates says more about your own prejudices than anything g else.

Frankly right ideologues, who know intuitively that Trump is diabolical, and still cannot bring themselves to say maybe it is better that the US go with Hillary, really demonstrate how blinded they are by their ideology.

I prefer Plato and MonikaDi Canio to be honest. At least they have a refreshing honesty

If I was American I would probably vote for Hillary with reservations but as a Brit I think Trump is a better bet for post-Brexit UK, his trade adviser has said he will do a trade deal with the UK before the EU, Hillary, like Obama, would put the UK 'at the back of the queue' behind the EU.

If I was in Poland I would be very fearful of a Trump presidency.

I might be wrong but didn't the poles elect a lot that make trump look like president pc.

Poland won't invade Russia. On the other hand.....


But difference is America is racially divided and has deep seated problems with race, and they don't need someone who will make those divisions much worse.

I do think Trump is right about those votes being taken for granted though.

Because GOP hasn't given the Dems any competition. And neither is Trump.

Pong said:

HYUFD said:

tyson said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Not long now to end this dreadful US election. I am past caring but am very embarrassed for the US having such dreadful candidates and cannot see a happy ending no matter who wins

Drawing equivalence between the two candidates says more about your own prejudices than anything g else.

Frankly right ideologues, who know intuitively that Trump is diabolical, and still cannot bring themselves to say maybe it is better that the US go with Hillary, really demonstrate how blinded they are by their ideology.

I prefer Plato and MonikaDi Canio to be honest. At least they have a refreshing honesty

If I was American I would probably vote for Hillary with reservations but as a Brit I think Trump is a better bet for post-Brexit UK, his trade adviser has said he will do a trade deal with the UK before the EU, Hillary, like Obama, would put the UK 'at the back of the queue' behind the EU.

Agreements with trump wouldn't be worth the paper they're written on.

That's how scary this election is.

On the whole I think they would, he was a strong supporter of Brexit. The countries which have most to gain from a Trump Presidency are Putin's Russia, Brexit UK and Netanyahu's Israel. Most other major nations, especially Mexico, Canada, the nations of the EU and Eastern Europe and China would do much better under Hillary given Trump's opposition to NAFTA and trade organisations, his supportive statements towards Putin, his promise to build a wall with and stop outsourcing to Mexico and his promise of a trade war with China

Clinton building a different coalition then Obama:
Dave Wasserman ‏@Redistrict
Early vote pattern beginning to emerge nationally: higher enthusiasm among liberal whites & Latinos vs. '12, lower enthusiasm among AAs.

nunu said:

Clinton building a different coalition then Obama:
Dave Wasserman ‏@Redistrict
Early vote pattern beginning to emerge nationally: higher enthusiasm among liberal whites & Latinos vs. '12, lower enthusiasm among AAs.

Plus higher enthusiasm amongst white working class, less amongst millenials

nunu said:

Clinton building a different coalition then Obama

Got any news on the religious views of the papacy?

TOPPING said:

MP_SE said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Charles said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/791739350816002048

Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or something

The remoaner's are so distressed by this deal they will do or say anything to try to discredit the Government or the Company. The fact is the 'little people' will be glad to see a Government on their side

The Vice President of Nissan confirmed Sunderland will become a Global factory and that they intend engineering and sourcing parts within the UK.

Sweden is fretting over the loss of exports to the UK, Brussels carpet makers are losing out also, the Irish are crossing the borders to take advantage of the pound and the German car manufacturers have said they will not accept tariffs for the 850,000 cars exported to the UK. They will drive the exit deal, not Drunker's and his elite

Poland have today demanded the loss of powers for the Commission and the resignation of Juncker.

The WTO have said that the UK's trade would transfer seamlessly on exit of the single market.

All in all a good day for Independent UK

The Remoaners' behaviour today has been quite illuminating. It is obvious that they would prefer to see the UK suffer in order to push their Europhile agenda.

It is legitimate to ask what the deal offered to Nissan was. If it was a cost to the government then that is a transfer from the taxpayer to a private company (albeit one which provides benefit to a subset of those taxpayers). If they make that transfer in this case, what other transfers to other private companies will be promised? And why to this sub sector of the economy?

Look at it as analogous to buying fair trade products. Unambiguously benefiting those producers but an unbalanced transfer of wealth for the overall economy which introduces inefficiencies into the system.

Do you really think that any substantial investment is made anywhere without palms being greased (metaphorically or otherwise)? And do you really think that details of the greasing are ever readily made available?

TOPPING said:

ReggieCide said:

MP_SE said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Charles said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/791739350816002048

Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or something

The remoaner's are so distressed by this deal they will do or say anything to try to discredit the Government or the Company. The fact is the 'little people' will be glad to see a Government on their side

The Vice President of Nissan confirmed Sunderland will become a Global factory and that they intend engineering and sourcing parts within the UK.

Sweden is fretting over the loss of exports to the UK, Brussels carpet makers are losing out also, the Irish are crossing the borders to take advantage of the pound and the German car manufacturers have said they will not accept tariffs for the 850,000 cars exported to the UK. They will drive the exit deal, not Drunker's and his elite

Poland have today demanded the loss of powers for the Commission and the resignation of Juncker.

The WTO have said that the UK's trade would transfer seamlessly on exit of the single market.

All in all a good day for Independent UK

The Remoaners' behaviour today has been quite illuminating. It is obvious that they would prefer to see the UK suffer in order to push their Europhile agenda.

I'm not sure I would describe it as "illuminating". We've all been blinded by it for months. I cannot recall hearing or reading anything but a dogged, grinding whinge from any Remoaner, ever.

That's probably because you have difficulty understanding the nuances of the discussions.

Since when was a moan a discussion?

TheWhiteRabbit said:

nunu said:

Clinton building a different coalition then Obama

Got any news on the religious views of the papacy?

Yes, they accept Muhammed now.

TOPPING said:

ReggieCide said:

TOPPING said:

MP_SE said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Charles said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/791739350816002048

Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or something

The remoaner's are so distressed by this deal they will do or say anything to try to discredit the Government or the Company. The fact is the 'little people' will be glad to see a Government on their side

The Vice President of Nissan confirmed Sunderland will become a Global factory and that they intend engineering and sourcing parts within the UK.

Sweden is fretting over the loss of exports to the UK, Brussels carpet makers are losing out also, the Irish are crossing the borders to take advantage of the pound and the German car manufacturers have said they will not accept tariffs for the 850,000 cars exported to the UK. They will drive the exit deal, not Drunker's and his elite

Poland have today demanded the loss of powers for the Commission and the resignation of Juncker.

The WTO have said that the UK's trade would transfer seamlessly on exit of the single market.

All in all a good day for Independent UK

The Remoaners' behaviour today has been quite illuminating. It is obvious that they would prefer to see the UK suffer in order to push their Europhile agenda.

It is legitimate to ask what the deal offered to Nissan was. If it was a cost to the government then that is a transfer from the taxpayer to a private company (albeit one which provides benefit to a subset of those taxpayers). If they make that transfer in this case, what other transfers to other private companies will be promised? And why to this sub sector of the economy?

Look at it as analogous to buying fair trade products. Unambiguously benefiting those producers but an unbalanced transfer of wealth for the overall economy which introduces inefficiencies into the system.

Do you really think that any substantial investment is made anywhere without palms being greased (metaphorically or otherwise)? And do you really think that details of the greasing are ever readily made available?

Well rarely are they made while rubbing the host government's face in it to such an extent.

Edit: plus surely as a Brexiter you are interested at the very least to know what the deal was, given that it might have been one that chipped away at the referendum result?

I am both interested and a realist, the realist in me enables me to move on. I missed the face rubbing, perhaps you would enlighten me.

TOPPING said:

ReggieCide said:

TOPPING said:

ReggieCide said:

MP_SE said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Charles said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/791739350816002048

Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or something

The remoaner's are so distressed by this deal they will do or say anything to try to discredit the Government or the Company. The fact is the 'little people' will be glad to see a Government on their side

The Vice President of Nissan confirmed Sunderland will become a Global factory and that they intend engineering and sourcing parts within the UK.

Sweden is fretting over the loss of exports to the UK, Brussels carpet makers are losing out also, the Irish are crossing the borders to take advantage of the pound and the German car manufacturers have said they will not accept tariffs for the 850,000 cars exported to the UK. They will drive the exit deal, not Drunker's and his elite

Poland have today demanded the loss of powers for the Commission and the resignation of Juncker.

The WTO have said that the UK's trade would transfer seamlessly on exit of the single market.

All in all a good day for Independent UK

The Remoaners' behaviour today has been quite illuminating. It is obvious that they would prefer to see the UK suffer in order to push their Europhile agenda.

I'm not sure I would describe it as "illuminating". We've all been blinded by it for months. I cannot recall hearing or reading anything but a dogged, grinding whinge from any Remoaner, ever.

That's probably because you have difficulty understanding the nuances of the discussions.

Since when was a moan a discussion?

C-

loser

nunu said:

HYUFD said:

nunu said:

Clinton building a different coalition then Obama:
Dave Wasserman ‏@Redistrict
Early vote pattern beginning to emerge nationally: higher enthusiasm among liberal whites & Latinos vs. '12, lower enthusiasm among AAs.

Plus higher enthusiasm amongst white working class, less amongst millenials

Doesn't matter he is getting less support from white voters overall compared to Romney. A killer.

Depends which poll you look at, overall he still leads the white vote comfortably and if white working class voters turn out for Trump who could not be bothered to vote for Romney he could even surpass his performance. Some pollsters also have him taking over 10% of the African American vote ie above what Romney got

TOPPING said:

MP_SE said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Charles said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/791739350816002048

Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or something

The remoaner's are so distressed by this deal they will do or say anything to try to discredit the Government or the Company. The fact is the 'little people' will be glad to see a Government on their side

The Vice President of Nissan confirmed Sunderland will become a Global factory and that they intend engineering and sourcing parts within the UK.

Sweden is fretting over the loss of exports to the UK, Brussels carpet makers are losing out also, the Irish are crossing the borders to take advantage of the pound and the German car manufacturers have said they will not accept tariffs for the 850,000 cars exported to the UK. They will drive the exit deal, not Drunker's and his elite

Poland have today demanded the loss of powers for the Commission and the resignation of Juncker.

The WTO have said that the UK's trade would transfer seamlessly on exit of the single market.

All in all a good day for Independent UK

The Remoaners' behaviour today has been quite illuminating. It is obvious that they would prefer to see the UK suffer in order to push their Europhile agenda.

It is legitimate to ask what the deal offered to Nissan was. If it was a cost to the government then that is a transfer from the taxpayer to a private company (albeit one which provides benefit to a subset of those taxpayers). If they make that transfer in this case, what other transfers to other private companies will be promised? And why to this sub sector of the economy?

Look at it as analogous to buying fair trade products. Unambiguously benefiting those producers but an unbalanced transfer of wealth for the overall economy which introduces inefficiencies into the system.

If anywhere needs some support it is the North East and it is excellent news for them and avoids yet further increases in inequality between London and the South East and the Midlands and the North

MP_SE said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Charles said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/791739350816002048

Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or something

The remoaner's are so distressed by this deal they will do or say anything to try to discredit the Government or the Company. The fact is the 'little people' will be glad to see a Government on their side

The Vice President of Nissan confirmed Sunderland will become a Global factory and that they intend engineering and sourcing parts within the UK.

Sweden is fretting over the loss of exports to the UK, Brussels carpet makers are losing out also, the Irish are crossing the borders to take advantage of the pound and the German car manufacturers have said they will not accept tariffs for the 850,000 cars exported to the UK. They will drive the exit deal, not Drunker's and his elite

Poland have today demanded the loss of powers for the Commission and the resignation of Juncker.

The WTO have said that the UK's trade would transfer seamlessly on exit of the single market.

All in all a good day for Independent UK

The Remoaners' behaviour today has been quite illuminating. It is obvious that they would prefer to see the UK suffer in order to push their Europhile agenda.

Every pound spent protecting Nissan from future tariffs could have been spent on the NHS.

TOPPING said:

ReggieCide said:

TOPPING said:

ReggieCide said:

TOPPING said:

MP_SE said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Charles said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/791739350816002048

Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or something

The

Swedenand his elite

Poland have today demanded the loss of powers for the Commission and the resignation of Juncker.

The WTO have said that the UK's trade would transfer seamlessly on exit of the single market.

All in all a good day for Independent UK

The Remoaners' behaviour today has been quite illuminating. It is obvious that they would prefer to see the UK suffer in order to push their Europhile agenda.

It is legitimate to ask what the deal offered to Nissan was. If it was a cost to the government then that is a transfer from the taxpayer to a private company (albeit one which provides benefit to a subset of those taxpayers). If they make that transfer in this case, what other transfers to other private companies will be promised? And why to this sub sector of the economy?

Look at it as analogous to buying fair trade products. Unambiguously benefiting those producers but an unbalanced transfer of wealth for the overall economy which introduces inefficiencies into the system.

Do you really think that any substantial investment is made anywhere without palms being greased (metaphorically or otherwise)? And do you really think that details of the greasing are ever readily made available?

Well rarely are they made while rubbing the host government's face in it to such an extent.

Edit: plus surely as a Brexiter you are interested at the very least to know what the deal was, given that it might have been one that chipped away at the referendum result?

I am both interested and a realist, the realist in me enables me to move on. I missed the face rubbing, perhaps you would enlighten me.

Stage 1: Nissan executives very publicly go to Downing Street to meet with our Prime Minister amidst reported concerns of post-Brexit UK landscape.
Stage 2: Nissan makes announcement that it will continue to produce existing and begin to produce new models in the UK.

Are you seriously suggesting the PM should not actively promote the UK and persuade business to invest in the future post Brexit.

TOPPING said:

ReggieCide said:

TOPPING said:

ReggieCide said:

TOPPING said:

MP_SE said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Charles said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/791739350816002048

Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or something

The

Swedenand his elite

Poland have today demanded the loss of powers for the Commission and the resignation of Juncker.

The WTO have said that the UK's trade would transfer seamlessly on exit of the single market.

All in all a good day for Independent UK

The Remoaners' behaviour today has been quite illuminating. It is obvious that they would prefer to see the UK suffer in order to push their Europhile agenda.

It is legitimate to ask what the deal offered to Nissan was. If it was a cost to the government then that is a transfer from the taxpayer to a private company (albeit one which provides benefit to a subset of those taxpayers). If they make that transfer in this case, what other transfers to other private companies will be promised? And why to this sub sector of the economy?

Look at it as analogous to buying fair trade products. Unambiguously benefiting those producers but an unbalanced transfer of wealth for the overall economy which introduces inefficiencies into the system.

Do you really think that any substantial investment is made anywhere without palms being greased (metaphorically or otherwise)? And do you really think that details of the greasing are ever readily made available?

Well rarely are they made while rubbing the host government's face in it to such an extent.

Edit: plus surely as a Brexiter you are interested at the very least to know what the deal was, given that it might have been one that chipped away at the referendum result?

I am both interested and a realist, the realist in me enables me to move on. I missed the face rubbing, perhaps you would enlighten me.

Stage 1: Nissan executives very publicly go to Downing Street to meet with our Prime Minister amidst reported concerns of post-Brexit UK landscape.
Stage 2: Nissan makes announcement that it will continue to produce existing and begin to produce new models in the UK.

Which is the offensive bit that you would rather hadn't happened?