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First like Jezza.0
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Glorious second!0
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Would shadow brexit secretary just consist of saying 'wouldn't have this problem if we'd remained'?0
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@SkyNewsEditor: #UKIP #Breaking @joncraig understands Mike Hookem MEP denies punching Mr Woolfe, while admitting there was a 'verbal' confrontation0
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Second like Hammy in the F1 championship ...
Grrrr. Third like Ricci.
Fourth like Sebby.0 -
Sixth like UkIP0
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Mike to me on Tuesday: Can you edit PB on Thursday, I'm busy, and nothing major is going to happen.0
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Oh dear...JosiasJessop said:Second like Hammy in the F1 championship ...
Grrrr. Third like Ricci.
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"Mr Woolfe tripped and hit his head against the window, Officer".Scott_P said:@SkyNewsEditor: #UKIP #Breaking @joncraig understands Mike Hookem MEP denies punching Mr Woolfe, while admitting there was a 'verbal' confrontation
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Surely he has learned not to make such predictions by now?TheScreamingEagles said:Mike to me on Tuesday: Can you edit PB on Thursday, I'm busy, and nothing major is going to happen.
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TSE- you are the most independent, free thinking, polemical poster on this site at the minute....good on you0
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No admirer of David Davis, permanent winner of Tory shit of the year, every year, but Keir Starmer was a particularly indifferent DPP in the leanest of years, who has thus far made zero impact since his election last year, so I mildly demur from my most esteemed Rt. Hon Friend's thesis.0
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'After accidentally glancing against my inadvertently clenched fist'IanB2 said:
"Mr Woolfe tripped and hit his head against the window, Officer".Scott_P said:@SkyNewsEditor: #UKIP #Breaking @joncraig understands Mike Hookem MEP denies punching Mr Woolfe, while admitting there was a 'verbal' confrontation
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https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/784123563351633921
Must be a parallel universe, only The PM is appointing people to 'Great Offices of State.0 -
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There appears to be a God, and (s)he isn't Ted's.
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Great match Italy versus Spain....1-1, 5 mins to go0
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As da kidz say... pwnedTheScreamingEagles said:
You really can tell why jezza only managed 2 Es at a-level.0 -
Officer in response: I do apologise for your most unfortunate accident on the police station steps tomorrow Sir....IanB2 said:
"Mr Woolfe tripped and hit his head against the window, Officer".Scott_P said:@SkyNewsEditor: #UKIP #Breaking @joncraig understands Mike Hookem MEP denies punching Mr Woolfe, while admitting there was a 'verbal' confrontation
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Losing Seamus Milne would be an improvement if no one replaced him. Total disaster.
I tend to agree with TSE that with Starmer against Davis we have finally got a match up between the shadow cabinet and the real cabinet that the shadow wins. I presumed that Davis was going to be the fall guy when something embarrassing happened in the Brexit negotiations but Fox is now so far in front for that role that Davis is likely to be around for a while. If only Labour had something to say.0 -
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TSE hates David Davis, next.0
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I think Mike does it deliberately.kle4 said:
Surely he has learned not to make such predictions by now?TheScreamingEagles said:Mike to me on Tuesday: Can you edit PB on Thursday, I'm busy, and nothing major is going to happen.
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Do you really think a dry lawyer who talks like a lawyer (however good a lawyer he is) is the person to take the fight to the Tories on this? Or the one who is going to persuade actual and potential Labour voters?
Given that Labour's position appears to be that:-
1. We should be out of the Single Market; and
2. We should have free movement of people with no limits on immigration.
It's a point of view.
His time at the CPS was not covered in glory. Admittedly the CPS is filled with some real duffers as well as some good lawyers but my experience of them has been abysmal. And the CPS was criticized by the Commons during his time in charge as lacking consistency, leadership and vision.
He may be good on the Great Repeal Bill but as the person to sell Labour's Brexit policy to Labour voters I'm much less convinced. Forensic arguments in Parliament are not what will convince Labour voters.0 -
It'll be a good opportunity for Starmer to build his profile anyway, getting to talk about the political issue that is likely to dominate for the next few years. A potential pitfall is the lack of consensus about elements of Brexit within the Labour party, I doubt he shares Corbyn's lack of support for the single market and he's not the best located MP to talk about immigration as an inner city London MP.0
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Yes the point is we can now choose who do vote for with them having a free hand to persue that direction unencumbered by European Law.SeanT said:fpt for Max PB
I hear you, cuz. I also have my doubts about TMay. I'd have preferred Boris.
However, we are where we are, and at least she is a cunning politician - much more cunning than Cameron. I suspect she is a better negotiator than him, as well, and will serve the nation honourably during Brexit. She's also more acceptable to Scots, which is important right now.
Her statism annoys me, as it does you, but in the face of Corbyn, and in the knowledge that the white working classes deserve a champion (at last) I will let it go. For now. Let her bind up the wounds of an unequal country.
We can turn ourselves into Singapore-times-a-million later.
Sure it will be incorporated as UK law on day 1 but that means parliament can repeal bits of it as it sees fit.
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Classic Canary style click bait header there Mr TSE. I approve.0
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TYSON LOL0
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My mother knows Keir well - she was a key stakeholder when he was DPP. I shall not repeat her views for fear of attracting my learned friends attention to OGH.JohnO said:No admirer of David Davis, permanent winner of Tory shit of the year, every year, but Keir Starmer was a particularly indifferent DPP in the leanest of years, who has thus far made zero impact since his election last year, so I mildly demur from my most esteemed Rt. Hon Friend's thesis.
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"You see Third World parliaments where this sort of thing happens. It’s not good. It shouldn’t happen. It’s two grown men, getting involved in an altercation. It’s not very seemly behaviour.” said principal witness Nigel... Edit/ clarification for the lawyers, apparently he wasn't in the room.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Officer in response: I do apologise for your most unfortunate accident on the police station steps tomorrow Sir....IanB2 said:
"Mr Woolfe tripped and hit his head against the window, Officer".Scott_P said:@SkyNewsEditor: #UKIP #Breaking @joncraig understands Mike Hookem MEP denies punching Mr Woolfe, while admitting there was a 'verbal' confrontation
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Being a twat does not mean that he is not miles better than Davis.SeanT said:
Starmer is also a twat. And he will be utterly crippled by the fact his leader is a LEAVER, likewise his Shadow Chancellor. Prediction: he will be invisible, and achieve nothing.DavidL said:Losing Seamus Milne would be an improvement if no one replaced him. Total disaster.
I tend to agree with TSE that with Starmer against Davis we have finally got a match up between the shadow cabinet and the real cabinet that the shadow wins. I presumed that Davis was going to be the fall guy when something embarrassing happened in the Brexit negotiations but Fox is now so far in front for that role that Davis is likely to be around for a while. If only Labour had something to say.0 -
The inspiration came from hereMortimer said:Classic Canary style click bait header there Mr TSE. I approve.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/04/russell-brand-endorsed-labour-tories-should-be-worried0 -
They are both wrong , of course .FrancisUrquhart said:
As da kidz say... pwnedTheScreamingEagles said:
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You really can tell why jezza only managed 2 Es at a-level.
There are 4 great offices not 3. Hancock accepted the error but then included May (who was not one of the 3 offices Corbyn referenced).0 -
I would wait to form opinions on Theresa. What has she actually done so far?
*Approval for Hinckley Point;
*Approval for fracking;
*Explicitly said A50 by March 2017 with an end to freedom of movement;
Hardly a Labour agenda.
Building more houses and cancelling unnecessary medical testing of the chronically ill straddle both right wing Labour and working class Tory lines, which are barely distinguishable on many subjects.
In fact, they are common sense.
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That is a fantastic quote.......TheScreamingEagles said:
Ted Heath is surely turning in his grave. But poor old Cameron.....I cannot even begin to imagine the agony he's experiencing; Theresa May is inflicting upon him the worst kind of living torture. It's pure vitriol.....
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Betting on the year of first female Chancellor of the Exchequer?Charles said:
They are both wrong , of course .FrancisUrquhart said:
As da kidz say... pwnedTheScreamingEagles said:
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You really can tell why jezza only managed 2 Es at a-level.
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That is extremely harsh on clowns and chancers, some of whom can be quite amusing, especially the latter. You should be ashamed of yourself.SeanT said:
Davis is not a twat. He's more of a clown and a chancer. Starmer is a proper twat. An overrated cunny.DavidL said:
Being a twat does not mean that he is not miles better than Davis.SeanT said:
Starmer is also a twat. And he will be utterly crippled by the fact his leader is a LEAVER, likewise his Shadow Chancellor. Prediction: he will be invisible, and achieve nothing.DavidL said:Losing Seamus Milne would be an improvement if no one replaced him. Total disaster.
I tend to agree with TSE that with Starmer against Davis we have finally got a match up between the shadow cabinet and the real cabinet that the shadow wins. I presumed that Davis was going to be the fall guy when something embarrassing happened in the Brexit negotiations but Fox is now so far in front for that role that Davis is likely to be around for a while. If only Labour had something to say.
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Forced to choose between Europe and the Open Sea we have chosen gloriously the Open Sea
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Always worth being reminded of what a complete twat Owen Jones is....TheScreamingEagles said:
The inspiration came from hereMortimer said:Classic Canary style click bait header there Mr TSE. I approve.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/04/russell-brand-endorsed-labour-tories-should-be-worried0 -
Economic policy kindly donated by Ed, social and education policy kindly donated by Nigel.chestnut said:I would wait to form opinions on Theresa. What has she actually done so far?
*Approval for Hinckley Point;
*Approval for fracking;
*Explicitly said A50 by March 2017 with an end to freedom of movement;
Hardly a Labour agenda.
Building more houses and cancelling unnecessary medical testing of the chronically ill straddle both right wing Labour and working class Tory lines, which are barely distinguishable on many subjects.
In fact, they are common sense.0 -
So I'm pissed in a massive lobster shack in Covent Garden and I'm thinking that mass immigration works fucking well0
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Even accepting the quality of the leader can be critical, Milne has been terrible. Like direction in a film, you only really notice spin doctors when they are really good or really bad. He has constantly kept bad stories running and generally supported his leader terribly.DavidL said:Losing Seamus Milne would be an improvement if no one replaced him. Total disaster.
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It is reported during the last Parliament, the Tory whips had a colour coding system for their MPs and crucial votes.tyson said:
That is a fantastic quote.......TheScreamingEagles said:
Ted Heath is surely turning in his grave. But poor old Cameron.....I cannot even begin to imagine the agony he's experiencing; Theresa May is inflicting upon him the worst kind of living torture. It's pure vitriol.....
Blue - The loyal Tory MPs who would always vote with the government
Yellow - Loyal Tory MPs who would have a particular issue with that bill/vote, who would need persuading
Brown - For the shits who could be guaranteed to vote against the government no matter what. David Davis' colour was brown for the entirety of the last Parliament.0 -
In a big news day, surely the biggest news was learning that Charles is not yet a billionaire?
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@GuidoFawkes: BREAKING: Nia Griffith Shadow Defence Secretary, Clive Lewis Shadow Business Secretary order-order.com/2016/10/06/lab… pic.twitter.com/2SQzuPJtIX0
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Messing up the vice puff piece was a classic example, managing to let slip damaging info & piss off a self confessed corbynista.kle4 said:
Even accepting the quality of the leader can be critical, Milne has been terrible. Like direction in a film, you only really notice spin doctors when they are really good or really bad. He has constantly kept bad stories running and generally supported his leader terribly.DavidL said:Losing Seamus Milne would be an improvement if no one replaced him. Total disaster.
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Sunshine or wind; that's a tough one...Paul_Bedfordshire said:Forced to choose between Europe and the Open Sea we have chosen gloriously the Open Sea
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Oh yes - and Starmer was the DPP during Operation Elveden, during which archaic laws were used to bring charges against journalists which explicitly prevented them from mounting a public interest defence. Most of these cases were thrown out by the higher courts.
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It's racist....dr_spyn said:https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/784132068267659264
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Victory; we fight to winIanB2 said:
Sunshine or wind; that's a tough one...Paul_Bedfordshire said:Forced to choose between Europe and the Open Sea we have chosen gloriously the Open Sea
https://youtu.be/lrShn8PeTz8
Victory; is ours again
We are the scourge of the land and sea
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And 2005-10, 2001-05, 1997-2001 and 1992-97, (when he was the whip for Maastricht and then Minister for Europe constantly moaning that he should be promoted to Cabinet. He was reasonably servile 1987-92 though.TheScreamingEagles said:
It is reported during the last Parliament, the Tory whips had a colour coding system for their MPs and crucial votes.tyson said:
That is a fantastic quote.......TheScreamingEagles said:
Ted Heath is surely turning in his grave. But poor old Cameron.....I cannot even begin to imagine the agony he's experiencing; Theresa May is inflicting upon him the worst kind of living torture. It's pure vitriol.....
Blue - The loyal Tory MPs who would always vote with the government
Yellow - Loyal Tory MPs who would have a particular issue with that bill/vote, who would need persuading
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Hmm, so far her cunning had been survival. I'm not convinced that she's got enough cunning to keep herself at the top, not without any major allies or power brokers in her camp. Remember that Dave kept the party disciplined by having Osborne dole out favours and jobs, who has she got?SeanT said:fpt for Max PB
I hear you, cuz. I also have my doubts about TMay. I'd have preferred Boris.
However, we are where we are, and at least she is a cunning politician - much more cunning than Cameron. I suspect she is a better negotiator than him, as well, and will serve the nation honourably during Brexit. She's also more acceptable to Scots, which is important right now.
Her statism annoys me, as it does you, but in the face of Corbyn, and in the knowledge that the white working classes deserve a champion (at last) I will let it go. For now. Let her bind up the wounds of an unequal country.
We can turn ourselves into Singapore-times-a-million later.
Delivering budget after budget that increases state spending and with it taxes is going to wear down her natural support base and she'll be relying on there being no opposition, weirdly, on the centre right or economically liberal wing.
What irks me is that after years of Labour delivering big government she didn't learn those lessons, which makes me think she's not very smart. Definitely not as clever as Boris or Osborne. I think she realises it too, which makes her dangerous.0 -
Really? Must be an IHT dodge.MarqueeMark said:In a big news day, surely the biggest news was learning that Charles is not yet a billionaire?
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Jezza clearly hires based purely on ability!SeanT said:
Oh, superb. Bravo. Get rid of the soldier in Shadow Defence, and replace with a Welshwoman worried about cockles and bullyingScott_P said:@GuidoFawkes: BREAKING: Nia Griffith Shadow Defence Secretary, Clive Lewis Shadow Business Secretary order-order.com/2016/10/06/lab… pic.twitter.com/2SQzuPJtIX
http://niagriffith.org.uk/
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I do and was very sad when your pussy cat was run over.tyson said:
The site always draws you back. Glad to see my old sparring partner JohnO up to his no good tricks too.Jobabob said:Ave It
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Agreed. Can't help feeling that the fiasco on the train must have been the final straw. Who thought that was a good idea?kle4 said:
Even accepting the quality of the leader can be critical, Milne has been terrible. Like direction in a film, you only really notice spin doctors when they are really good or really bad. He has constantly kept bad stories running and generally supported his leader terribly.DavidL said:Losing Seamus Milne would be an improvement if no one replaced him. Total disaster.
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The Simon Walsh case too.Cyclefree said:Oh yes - and Starmer was the DPP during Operation Elveden, during which archaic laws were used to bring charges against journalists which explicitly prevented them from mounting a public interest defence. Most of these cases were thrown out by the higher courts.
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@jimwaterson: Clive Lewis replaced at defence by the anti-Trident unilateralist Nia Griffith....
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Is she in favour of Trident, if no then that's why. Moving a Trident supporter away from defence was an absolute must for Corbyn.SeanT said:
Oh, superb. Bravo. Get rid of the soldier in Shadow Defence, and replace with a Welshwoman worried about cockles and bullyingScott_P said:@GuidoFawkes: BREAKING: Nia Griffith Shadow Defence Secretary, Clive Lewis Shadow Business Secretary order-order.com/2016/10/06/lab… pic.twitter.com/2SQzuPJtIX
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It doesn't matter how good or bad Starmer is if Corbyn shifts the party line without even the curtesy of a text to let him know.0
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https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/784133508063195136MaxPB said:
Is she in favour of Trident, if no then that's why. Moving a Trident supporter away from defence was an absolute must for Corbyn.SeanT said:
Oh, superb. Bravo. Get rid of the soldier in Shadow Defence, and replace with a Welshwoman worried about cockles and bullyingScott_P said:@GuidoFawkes: BREAKING: Nia Griffith Shadow Defence Secretary, Clive Lewis Shadow Business Secretary order-order.com/2016/10/06/lab… pic.twitter.com/2SQzuPJtIX
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The Labour front bench is a bit like the Big Brother (now on C5 for series 36) household.
No one has the faintest idea who they are, and people have long given up caring. Only a few hundred thousand nuts take any notice.0 -
And two always end up having shagged each other?chestnut said:The Labour front bench is a bit like the Big Brother (now on C5 for series 36) household.
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Or perhaps he shares an accountant with the Trumpster.DavidL said:
Really? Must be an IHT dodge.MarqueeMark said:In a big news day, surely the biggest news was learning that Charles is not yet a billionaire?
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Can we just ensure there are no evictions from it, ever?chestnut said:The Labour front bench is a bit like the Big Brother (now on C5 for series 36) household.
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A new PB golden rule, if Don Brind makes a bold prediction about Labour, bet on the opposite.SeanT said:
Of course. It was always Trident. He is hellbent on destroying Labour and remaking it in new purer unelectable form.MaxPB said:
Is she in favour of Trident, if no then that's why. Moving a Trident supporter away from defence was an absolute must for Corbyn.SeanT said:
Oh, superb. Bravo. Get rid of the soldier in Shadow Defence, and replace with a Welshwoman worried about cockles and bullyingScott_P said:@GuidoFawkes: BREAKING: Nia Griffith Shadow Defence Secretary, Clive Lewis Shadow Business Secretary order-order.com/2016/10/06/lab… pic.twitter.com/2SQzuPJtIX
http://niagriffith.org.uk/
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Not civil war. The PLP have surrendered. All Jezza now has to do is liquidate the Kulaks.SeanT said:
Of course. It was always Trident. He is hellbent on destroying Labour and remaking it in new purer unelectable form.MaxPB said:
Is she in favour of Trident, if no then that's why. Moving a Trident supporter away from defence was an absolute must for Corbyn.SeanT said:
Oh, superb. Bravo. Get rid of the soldier in Shadow Defence, and replace with a Welshwoman worried about cockles and bullyingScott_P said:@GuidoFawkes: BREAKING: Nia Griffith Shadow Defence Secretary, Clive Lewis Shadow Business Secretary order-order.com/2016/10/06/lab… pic.twitter.com/2SQzuPJtIX
http://niagriffith.org.uk/
So much for the "Labour peace" predicted by Don Brind. Civil war it is.0 -
@PickardJE: It'll be a future pub quiz question for Westminster anoraks: who were the FOUR (at least) shadow defence secretaries in 2016?0
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But who is left to fight, fight and fight again for the party they love?SeanT said:
Of course. It was always Trident. He is hellbent on destroying Labour and remaking it in new purer unelectable form.MaxPB said:
Is she in favour of Trident, if no then that's why. Moving a Trident supporter away from defence was an absolute must for Corbyn.SeanT said:
Oh, superb. Bravo. Get rid of the soldier in Shadow Defence, and replace with a Welshwoman worried about cockles and bullyingScott_P said:@GuidoFawkes: BREAKING: Nia Griffith Shadow Defence Secretary, Clive Lewis Shadow Business Secretary order-order.com/2016/10/06/lab… pic.twitter.com/2SQzuPJtIX
http://niagriffith.org.uk/
So much for the "Labour peace" predicted by Don Brind. Civil war it is.
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Such questions are Sexist....Scott_P said:@PickardJE: It'll be a future pub quiz question for Westminster anoraks: who were the FOUR (at least) shadow defence secretaries in 2016?
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Anyone resigned from the Shadow Cabinet yet?0
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Lawyers sticking together I see. Just like they will be against the wall when the revolution comes.0
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So that kills hopes of Lewis being the Corbynista Messiah, he is now officially a ToryScott_P said:@jimwaterson: Clive Lewis replaced at defence by the anti-Trident unilateralist Nia Griffith....
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Yes, I'd forgotten that. An utter disgrace.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
The Simon Walsh case too.Cyclefree said:Oh yes - and Starmer was the DPP during Operation Elveden, during which archaic laws were used to bring charges against journalists which explicitly prevented them from mounting a public interest defence. Most of these cases were thrown out by the higher courts.
Yeah - a brilliant lawyer and so committed to press freedom. Ideal for Labour then. [Sarcasm alert.]
So another overrated lawyer with poor judgment and a disregard for individual rights and press freedom.
Being a good lawyer does not automatically make one a good MP. Grieve is a good lawyer and I think was good in his legal roles.
But to make the transition to an effective Minister or Shadow takes something more. I'm not sure Starmer has it. Apart from anything else, he always looks terrified or worried.
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Is David Cameron the only PM ever to lose a referendum? (Accepting that there have been very few?)SeanT said:
You have to accept that Cameron and Osborne, by their own measures, completely fucked up. They lost the biggest vote of their lives - an allegedly unlosable vote - through utter ineptitude. Through arrogance, stupidity and laziness. Overrated halfwits. I'm glad they lost but we must judge them as they judge themselves and on that basis they are the biggest failures in recent British political history. They were out-manuevered, comprehensively, by Farage and Boris, and yes even Ms May.MaxPB said:
Hmm, so far her cunning had been survival. I'm not convinced that she's got enough cunning to keep herself at the top, not without any major allies or power brokers in her camp. Remember that Dave kept the party disciplined by having Osborne dole out favours and jobs, who has she got?SeanT said:fpt for Max PB
I hear you, cuz. I also have my doubts about TMay. I'd have preferred Boris.
However, we are where we are, and at least she is a cunning politician - much more cunning than Cameron. I suspect she is a better negotiator than him, as well, and will serve the nation honourably during Brexit. She's also more acceptable to Scots, which is important right now.
Her statism annoys me, as it does you, but in the face of Corbyn, and in the knowledge that the white working classes deserve a champion (at last) I will let it go. For now. Let her bind up the wounds of an unequal country.
We can turn ourselves into Singapore-times-a-million later.
Delivering budget after budget that increases state spending and with it taxes is going to wear down her natural support base and she'll be relying on there being no opposition, weirdly, on the centre right or economically liberal wing.
What irks me is that after years of Labour delivering big government she didn't learn those lessons, which makes me think she's not very smart. Definitely not as clever as Boris or Osborne. I think she realises it too, which makes her dangerous.
I don't want inept posh twats in charge of my country any more. Get rid of these flailing gimps. "I want to be prime minister because I think I'd be quite good at it". FUCK OFF.
Bring on the grammar school girls. They've served us well before.
DC was often criticised by the left for being out-of-touch (for which read 'posh') - and I never really bought it; or at least never really saw it as important; Posh people can be perfectly in touch. But actually, it proved his undoing; he completely misunderstood how eurosceptic Britain really was. A leader who better understood his own nation would have had a much better idea of what sort of a deal the British electorate would accept.0 -
Oh yes, and I'm quite glad they fucked it. Very happy, in fact. However, it is clear that Osborne and Boris are both of incredible intellect, though Ossie doesn't have the common touch. Smarter than the PM, for sure.SeanT said:You have to accept that Cameron and Osborne, by their own measures, completely fucked up. They lost the biggest vote of their lives - an allegedly unlosable vote - through utter ineptitude. Through arrogance, stupidity and laziness. Overrated halfwits. I'm glad they lost but we must judge them as they judge themselves and on that basis they are the biggest failures in recent British political history. They were out-manuevered, comprehensively, by Farage and Boris, and yes even Ms May.
I don't want inept posh twats in charge of my country any more. Get rid of these flailing gimps. "I want to be prime minister because I think I'd be quite good at it". FUCK OFF.
Bring on the grammar school girls. They've served us well before.
I'm a Cameroon at heart (though maybe not as much as TSE) so I'm sceptical about TMay anyway, but so far her economic policies are basically Ed Miliband on steroids. Not exactly what I signed up and donate to the Tory party for.
On Dave's comment, it's one of those I can't get too worked up about. I sort of liked the fact that he went into politics on the basis that he'd be good at it rather than as part of some moral crusade as our current PM seems to be on. I want the leader to lead, not moralise.0 -
Bless JohnO.....really very kind of you to remember...JohnO said:
I do and was very sad when your pussy cat was run over.tyson said:
The site always draws you back. Glad to see my old sparring partner JohnO up to his no good tricks too.Jobabob said:Ave It
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With Neil Hamilton given a prime-time slot.IanB2 said:Still, who yesterday would have bet UKIP would nab the lead story on tonight's BBC News at Ten?
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We are all Tories now...HYUFD said:
So that kills hopes of Lewis being the Corbynista Messiah, he is now officially a ToryScott_P said:@jimwaterson: Clive Lewis replaced at defence by the anti-Trident unilateralist Nia Griffith....
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She is not increasing spending, just spreading austerity out beyond 2020 and making it less deep to soften the blow, she is also not raising taxes. However from Disraeli to Macmillan to May the Tories have never been a wholly economically liberal party but often quite paternalist, the Liberals actually have a longer history of laissez-faire, maintained today through the Orange Book group. There is also little appetite for a libertarian UKIP, it is is the populist version which has got them the votesMaxPB said:
Hmm, so far her cunning had been survival. I'm not convinced that she's got enough cunning to keep herself at the top, not without any major allies or power brokers in her camp. Remember that Dave kept the party disciplined by having Osborne dole out favours and jobs, who has she got?SeanT said:fpt for Max PB
I hear you, cuz. I also have my doubts about TMay. I'd have preferred Boris.
However, we are where we are, and at least she is a cunning politician - much more cunning than Cameron. I suspect she is a better negotiator than him, as well, and will serve the nation honourably during Brexit. She's also more acceptable to Scots, which is important right now.
Her statism annoys me, as it does you, but in the face of Corbyn, and in the knowledge that the white working classes deserve a champion (at last) I will let it go. For now. Let her bind up the wounds of an unequal country.
We can turn ourselves into Singapore-times-a-million later.
Delivering budget after budget that increases state spending and with it taxes is going to wear down her natural support base and she'll be relying on there being no opposition, weirdly, on the centre right or economically liberal wing.
What irks me is that after years of Labour delivering big government she didn't learn those lessons, which makes me think she's not very smart. Definitely not as clever as Boris or Osborne. I think she realises it too, which makes her dangerous.0 -
I think that we are yet to hear from Charlie Falconer.MarqueeMark said:Anyone resigned from the Shadow Cabinet yet?
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Has Rogerdamus been superseded by Donadamus?MaxPB said:
A new PB golden rule, if Don Brind makes a bold prediction about Labour, bet on the opposite.SeanT said:
Of course. It was always Trident. He is hellbent on destroying Labour and remaking it in new purer unelectable form.MaxPB said:
Is she in favour of Trident, if no then that's why. Moving a Trident supporter away from defence was an absolute must for Corbyn.SeanT said:
Oh, superb. Bravo. Get rid of the soldier in Shadow Defence, and replace with a Welshwoman worried about cockles and bullyingScott_P said:@GuidoFawkes: BREAKING: Nia Griffith Shadow Defence Secretary, Clive Lewis Shadow Business Secretary order-order.com/2016/10/06/lab… pic.twitter.com/2SQzuPJtIX
http://niagriffith.org.uk/
So much for the "Labour peace" predicted by Don Brind. Civil war it is.0 -
Where is roger these days?Mortimer said:
Has Rogerdamus been superseded by Donadamus?MaxPB said:
A new PB golden rule, if Don Brind makes a bold prediction about Labour, bet on the opposite.SeanT said:
Of course. It was always Trident. He is hellbent on destroying Labour and remaking it in new purer unelectable form.MaxPB said:
Is she in favour of Trident, if no then that's why. Moving a Trident supporter away from defence was an absolute must for Corbyn.SeanT said:
Oh, superb. Bravo. Get rid of the soldier in Shadow Defence, and replace with a Welshwoman worried about cockles and bullyingScott_P said:@GuidoFawkes: BREAKING: Nia Griffith Shadow Defence Secretary, Clive Lewis Shadow Business Secretary order-order.com/2016/10/06/lab… pic.twitter.com/2SQzuPJtIX
http://niagriffith.org.uk/
So much for the "Labour peace" predicted by Don Brind. Civil war it is.0 -
There is simply not enough popcorn in the world!MarqueeMark said:
With Neil Hamilton given a prime-time slot.IanB2 said:Still, who yesterday would have bet UKIP would nab the lead story on tonight's BBC News at Ten?
Hur-hur-hur......0 -
I have just got home and read the shadow cabinet news. Jeremy Corbyn must be a Tory plant. He simply must be. Diane Abbott as Home Secretary? It seems like he is deliberately alienating the white working class Brexit voters Labour need so much. He already had Emily Thornberry as shadow foreign and she mocked flying the England flag. Now someone with a long history of anti-white comments as shadow home. It defies belief.0
