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This is becoming a joke. Do you think Remain's campaign was fully honest? Not at all hyperbolic? In no way connected to future prospects of those who were previously Eurosceptic yet who spouted the Remain campaign kool-aid?williamglenn said:
Leaving the EU doesn't change the fact that:RobD said:
Pretty sure us being out of the EU will also resolve them. There will be very few (if any) Tories pushing for us to rejoin the EU.williamglenn said:
The boot's on the other foot now. The only way to have resolved the splits would have been a 60% plus win for remain, which Cameron knew and in his hubris thought he could deliver.SirBernard said:
It seems like a contingent of hardcore Remainers are now deciding to take up their place as the headbangers in the party, waging a guerilla war against the leadership.AlastairMeeks said:https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/782688844319690752
Of course, it's just the press inventing this idea of Tory splits.
- The EU exists
- We were part of it
- We were removed by a dishonest campaign in which many senior Tories played a prominent role (in some cases out of naked personal ambition)
It's unreasonable to expect that this will not have salience for a very long time to come.0 -
That is the one I am looking forward to. My diabetes will be cured.foxinsoxuk said:
I think tyson earns in sterling.viewcode said:
Unfortunately, it is bad for people who are paid in GBP, or whose life savings are in GBP, or who buy things that are imported from outside the UK, or who make things from raw materials from outside the UK. I think that's everybody on this board except Tyson.geoffw said:
A depreciating £ is *good* for the economy.SeanT said:
Theresa May does not want to go down as the PM who botched Brexit, and fucked up the economy. I have faith she is cannier than you think, and will get a classic EU fudge where both sides can claim victory, and the economic damage is limitedTheScreamingEagles said:
You mean leaving the single market would be bad for the economy?SeanT said:
In fact they've opened alreadySeanT said:
As I said lastthread, see the Asian forex markets tonight. They open soon.IanB2 said:
In which case a critical issue is how the markets, currency, and the economy more generally, takes - in the very short run - the triggering of A50.Jonathan said:I interpret the March A50 date as opening up a May election.
The £ is down half a cent
Hm.
http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=GBP&to=USD&view=12h
Who knew, somebody should have said during the referendum.
It is the one thing the EU is usually quite good at.
It is pretty good for me and other government servants. When the private sector falls behind, we make up lost ground. There is also the £350 million per week into the NHS to look forward to.0 -
I think you might be on to something there Mr T. Perhaps Leavers themselves will become more interesting. Perhaps their books will sell better?SeanT said:
Unless London property crashes (possible but still unlikely) Brexit is great for me, 80% of my income is from abroad, so a falling £ helps me a lot.foxinsoxuk said:
I think tyson earns in sterling.viewcode said:
Unfortunately, it is bad for people who are paid in GBP, or whose life savings are in GBP, or who buy things that are imported from outside the UK, or who make things from raw materials from outside the UK. I think that's everybody on this board except Tyson.geoffw said:
A depreciating £ is *good* for the economy.SeanT said:
Theresa May does not want to go down as the PM who botched Brexit, and fucked up the economy. I have faith she is cannier than you think, and will get a classic EU fudge where both sides can claim victory, and the economic damage is limitedTheScreamingEagles said:
You mean leaving the single market would be bad for the economy?SeanT said:
In fact they've opened alreadySeanT said:
As I said lastthread, see the Asian forex markets tonight. They open soon.IanB2 said:
In which case a critical issue is how the markets, currency, and the economy more generally, takes - in the very short run - the triggering of A50.Jonathan said:I interpret the March A50 date as opening up a May election.
The £ is down half a cent
Hm.
http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=GBP&to=USD&view=12h
Who knew, somebody should have said during the referendum.
It is the one thing the EU is usually quite good at.
It is pretty good for me and other government servants. When the private sector falls behind, we make up lost ground. There is also the £350 million per week into the NHS to look forward to.
And (despite the warblings of some Remainers) I rather doubt Brexit will impact perceptions of British thriller writers abroad, such that foreigners stop buying our novels. Indeed, I reckon - quite seriously - that Brexit makes Britain and Britons more interesting. Like the French after their revolution. The country that said NO, against all the odds.
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"Europe was forging ahead building the future" You mean that Europe was building a Continental Empire run by the Germans, of which we have chosen not to be part.williamglenn said:
Yes and at the time Britain was still coming to terms with the loss of empire while continental Europe was forging ahead building the future. Plus ca change...Sunil_Prasannan said:
Doesn't the Treaty of Rome date from the 1950s?AlastairMeeks said:https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/782688844319690752
Of course, it's just the press inventing this idea of Tory splits.
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And getting law making back to the UK Parliament and UK judges rule on our laws will get wide spread approval. Indeed I think sovereignty will trump everything else ( sorry he seems to get into every conversation)Mortimer said:However much remainers wish it were not so:
- Leave is good for Tory party unity
- No free movement and no membership of the single market was always the most likely outcome given the result and lack of European indications of compromise (Sarky aside)
- Leavers are thrilled by the practical idea of the GRB
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That's useful career advice for unemployed machinists at the closed down Nissan factory in Sunderland. Become a thriller writer! There's a good market.SeanT said:
Unless London property crashes (possible but still unlikely) Brexit is great for me, 80% of my income is from abroad, so a falling £ helps me a lot.
And (despite the warblings of some Remainers) I rather doubt Brexit will impact perceptions of British thriller writers abroad, such that foreigners stop buying our novels. Indeed, I reckon - quite seriously - that Brexit makes Britain and Britons more interesting. Like the French after their revolution. The country that said NO, against all the odds.0 -
Sadly for our literary cachet, we're about to be one-upped in the proto-fascist stakes (as judged by the literati) by the US.SeanT said:
And (despite the warblings of some Remainers) I rather doubt Brexit will impact perceptions of British thriller writers abroad, such that foreigners stop buying our novels. Indeed, I reckon - quite seriously - that Brexit makes Britain and Britons more interesting. Like the French after their revolution. The country that said NO, against all the odds.0 -
As a Remainer, I became increasingly disgusted with both campaigns. Both sides ended up using ludicrous hyperbole. To be honest, I can't work out which side said more rubbish. It was probably a tie on that score.Mortimer said:
This is becoming a joke. Do you think Remain's campaign was fully honest? Not at all hyperbolic? In no way connected to future prospects of those who were previously Eurosceptic yet who spouted the Remain campaign kool-aid?williamglenn said:
Leaving the EU doesn't change the fact that:RobD said:
Pretty sure us being out of the EU will also resolve them. There will be very few (if any) Tories pushing for us to rejoin the EU.williamglenn said:
The boot's on the other foot now. The only way to have resolved the splits would have been a 60% plus win for remain, which Cameron knew and in his hubris thought he could deliver.SirBernard said:
It seems like a contingent of hardcore Remainers are now deciding to take up their place as the headbangers in the party, waging a guerilla war against the leadership.AlastairMeeks said:https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/782688844319690752
Of course, it's just the press inventing this idea of Tory splits.
- The EU exists
- We were part of it
- We were removed by a dishonest campaign in which many senior Tories played a prominent role (in some cases out of naked personal ambition)
It's unreasonable to expect that this will not have salience for a very long time to come.0 -
I've always been open about being a federalist and was almost as nonplussed as you about the relentless Meeks/Nabavi 'I'm not a federalist but you'd have to be a moron not to vote Remain' rhetoric.SeanT said:
We will not forget.0 -
I am so bored of brexit.
Enough.
Let's talk about something else.0 -
AV?rcs1000 said:I am so bored of brexit.
Enough.
Let's talk about something else.0 -
Trump then - or maybe not. How about Spurs having a reasonable footie team for the first time in 40 yearsrcs1000 said:I am so bored of brexit.
Enough.
Let's talk about something else.0 -
So the Ryder Cup then... About time it went back to being US vs UK?0
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Things are looking really bad for Trump, like his friend Viktor Orban.0
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AV, like the EU, was also rejected by referendum - back in 2011.TheScreamingEagles said:
AV?rcs1000 said:I am so bored of brexit.
Enough.
Let's talk about something else.0 -
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I love that virtually all of the MSM were convinced yesterday that Theresa wasn't going to say anything about A50... And then she did!
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And the unelected Juncker'ssurbiton said:Things are looking really bad for Trump, like his friend Viktor Orban.
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Actually not. They have finally got Britain off their back.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And the unelected Juncker'ssurbiton said:Things are looking really bad for Trump, like his friend Viktor Orban.
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No - we have got them off our backsurbiton said:
Actually not. They have finally got Britain off their back.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And the unelected Juncker'ssurbiton said:Things are looking really bad for Trump, like his friend Viktor Orban.
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I wish she'd stood for the leadership in 2005. What a mess Cameron's made of it.GIN1138 said:I love that virtually all of the MSM were convinced yesterday that Theresa wasn't going to say anything about A50... And then she did!
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hmmm. he said trump was off one predicotor, and is too different too traditional candidates for it to apply fullyviewcode said:I hate to interrupt WankingAboutBrexit.com with something so non-U as a question about US politics, but some of you may have heard of Allan Lichtman and his "13 Keys" model. He's made a prediction that Trump will win[1]. He exhibits a characteristic that too many modellers exhibit: he rows back on the prediction, but there y'go. Anyhoo, DYOR
[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/23/trump-is-headed-for-a-win-says-professor-whos-predicted-30-years-of-presidential-outcomes-correctly/0 -
I don't know... He's destroyed the Lib-Dems and Labour and has ensured we're going to leave the EU...williamglenn said:
I wish she'd stood for the leadership in 2005. What a mess Cameron's made of it.GIN1138 said:I love that virtually all of the MSM were convinced yesterday that Theresa wasn't going to say anything about A50... And then she did!
He's served his "purpose" and will be remembered by history. Now it's time for someone very serious though...0 -
And it's military capacity together with world leading security servicesSeanT said:
Would that be the Britain that contributes 10-18bn a year to the EU, and constitutes the second or third largest economy in the EU, and is recently the main source of economic growth, biggest jobs creator, and is home to nearly all the EU's best universities, and so on, and so forth?surbiton said:
Actually not. They have finally got Britain off their back.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And the unelected Juncker'ssurbiton said:Things are looking really bad for Trump, like his friend Viktor Orban.
If they have any sense they will offer us a weird associate membership which both sides can pretend is worse/better than before. But the way Remainers are behaving, it will be Hard Brexit, and let's duke it out.0 -
Have a wank on that !Big_G_NorthWales said:
And it's military capacity together with world leading security servicesSeanT said:
Would that be the Britain that contributes 10-18bn a year to the EU, and constitutes the second or third largest economy in the EU, and is recently the main source of economic growth, biggest jobs creator, and is home to nearly all the EU's best universities, and so on, and so forth?surbiton said:
Actually not. They have finally got Britain off their back.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And the unelected Juncker'ssurbiton said:Things are looking really bad for Trump, like his friend Viktor Orban.
If they have any sense they will offer us a weird associate membership which both sides can pretend is worse/better than before. But the way Remainers are behaving, it will be Hard Brexit, and let's duke it out.0 -
Getting rattled I seesurbiton said:
Have a wank on that !Big_G_NorthWales said:
And it's military capacity together with world leading security servicesSeanT said:
Would that be the Britain that contributes 10-18bn a year to the EU, and constitutes the second or third largest economy in the EU, and is recently the main source of economic growth, biggest jobs creator, and is home to nearly all the EU's best universities, and so on, and so forth?surbiton said:
Actually not. They have finally got Britain off their back.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And the unelected Juncker'ssurbiton said:Things are looking really bad for Trump, like his friend Viktor Orban.
If they have any sense they will offer us a weird associate membership which both sides can pretend is worse/better than before. But the way Remainers are behaving, it will be Hard Brexit, and let's duke it out.0 -
I know, and it's annoying as fuck. A characteristic of this election (unlike 2012) is that the modellers are rowing back. They make a prediction (Rep Win!) but then go "oooh, Trump is so ew, so Rep Not Win! Possibly! I'M SHY, ME!" then hide under the sofa. Academics have *one* job...619 said:
hmmm. he said trump was off one predicotor, and is too different too traditional candidates for it to apply fullyviewcode said:I hate to interrupt WankingAboutBrexit.com with something so non-U as a question about US politics, but some of you may have heard of Allan Lichtman and his "13 Keys" model. He's made a prediction that Trump will win[1]. He exhibits a characteristic that too many modellers exhibit: he rows back on the prediction, but there y'go. Anyhoo, DYOR
[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/23/trump-is-headed-for-a-win-says-professor-whos-predicted-30-years-of-presidential-outcomes-correctly/ 0 -
Time to go - battery low
Never mind by the time Hammond has spoken tomorrow and Theresa May completes her conference speech on Wednesday, labour will be all but conseigned to history0 -
What about the Colombian referendum? A real shocker to reject the peace deal. By about 50.2% to 49.8%. I am astounded.rcs1000 said:I am so bored of brexit.
Enough.
Let's talk about something else.0 -
Which side is Jez on?AndyJS said:0 -
Voters not playing ball again. Colombia, Hungary, UK, Netherlands.0
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Anyone have any insight into the Columbian vote?0
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Having seen the comments about North Carolina early voting I thought I would have a look at the total NC electorate (as per the NC State Board of Elections website) and how it has changed.
The number of registered voters as at 29/9/2012 (as a 2012 proxy to this years current position) were 2,789,654 Dem, 2,013,483 Rep, 16,814 Lib and 1,658,642 unoffiliated total registered voters 6,478,593.
The numbers of registered voters as at 6/11/2012 Election Day were 2,870,693 Dem, 2,052,250 Rep, 19,321 Lib and 1,706,924 unoffiiliated total registered voters 6,649,188.
This showed that democrats were relatively more successful in registering voters in the last few weeks than republicans which intuitively feels sensible given the younger dem electorate.
As at 1/10/2016 the numbers were 2,684,243 Dem, 2,039,585 Rep, 29,996 Lib and 1,995, 634 unoffiliated. Total registered voters 6,749,460.
So compared to a similar period in 2012 the number of registered democrats are down 105k whilst the number of registered republicans is up by 26k. In addition, the democrats in 2012 benefited from a significant last few weeks registration drive.
Demographically comparing 2016 with 2012 election blacks are up 14k, whites down 14k, Hispanic up 42k and (somewhat unhelpfully from a trying to work out what it means perspective) other up 100k. Depending on the others this could equate to a 2% racial mix change.
So conflicting data - registered dems down but racial mix change should be favourable to dem.
Personally I am keeping as close an eye on these in totality numbers as on the early voting numbers in particular how far the number of registered democrats rises by.
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Big_G_NorthWales said:
And it's military capacity together with world leading security servicesSeanT said:
Would that be the Britain that contributes 10-18bn a year to the EU, and constitutes the second or third largest economy in the EU, and is recently the main source of economic growth, biggest jobs creator, and is home to nearly all the EU's best universities, and so on, and so forth?surbiton said:
Actually not. They have finally got Britain off their back.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And the unelected Juncker'ssurbiton said:Things are looking really bad for Trump, like his friend Viktor Orban.
If they have any sense they will offer us a weird associate membership which both sides can pretend is worse/better than before. But the way Remainers are behaving, it will be Hard Brexit, and let's duke it out.
All sounds good, but there is something wrong and sterling just keeps falling. Along with Tyson and Sean, probably 60-70% of my income is from outside the UK. This is good as despite all the good economic figures trading is tough in the UK at present. There is a massive cash squeeze on in the NHS. Procedures are down and I get paid faster from Pakistan than some NHS trusts.
The country is too dependent on imported workers, equipment and consumables. Our finance industry is in tatters and we under invest in R&D and production capacity. Theresa May is preparing us for a soft Brexit as she knows we cannot afford the cost of a hard one,
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Really? Six days before the 1970 election NOP gave Labour a lead of 12.4% . On Polling Day the Tories won by 2.2%! In February 1974 , polls the weekend before the election gave Ted Heath and the Tories a lead of 6 - 7% - yet Labour emerged as the largest party.williamglenn said:
If there's one thing everyone agrees on in this world of unexpected events, it's that it's utterly inconceivable that the main opposition party could close a gap of 9% in the polls. Absolutely unthinkable and could never happen in a million years...Jonathan said:
A50 triggered in March. Snap General Election called for May. Something happens in the campaign. Corbyn wins surprise victory.SeanT said:
Aliens? War? Asteroid impact?Jonathan said:Wondering if the next twelve months could be even stranger. Things have not settled yet.
Actually, I shouldn't joke. War is not inconceivable.0 -
Is that the one that closed when we didn't join the Euro?FF43 said:
That's useful career advice for unemployed machinists at the closed down Nissan factory in Sunderland.SeanT said:
Unless London property crashes (possible but still unlikely) Brexit is great for me, 80% of my income is from abroad, so a falling £ helps me a lot.
And (despite the warblings of some Remainers) I rather doubt Brexit will impact perceptions of British thriller writers abroad, such that foreigners stop buying our novels. Indeed, I reckon - quite seriously - that Brexit makes Britain and Britons more interesting. Like the French after their revolution. The country that said NO, against all the odds.0 -
The one that would have closed if they'd correctly judged that not joining the Euro was the first step to leaving altogether.CarlottaVance said:
Is that the one that closed when we didn't join the Euro?FF43 said:
That's useful career advice for unemployed machinists at the closed down Nissan factory in Sunderland. Become a thriller writer! There's a good market.SeanT said:
Unless London property crashes (possible but still unlikely) Brexit is great for me, 80% of my income is from abroad, so a falling £ helps me a lot.
And (despite the warblings of some Remainers) I rather doubt Brexit will impact perceptions of British thriller writers abroad, such that foreigners stop buying our novels. Indeed, I reckon - quite seriously - that Brexit makes Britain and Britons more interesting. Like the French after their revolution. The country that said NO, against all the odds.0 -
Colombians voted to continue their civil war by the narrowest of margins, which is of course indicative of a divided society fighting each other aka Civil War.gettingbetter said:
What about the Colombian referendum? A real shocker to reject the peace deal. By about 50.2% to 49.8%. I am astounded.rcs1000 said:I am so bored of brexit.
Enough.
Let's talk about something else.
Civil wars should never be settled by referendums.0 -
The influence of ex president Uribe. In general the areas that have suffered most voted yes. Antioquia a big no vote.RobD said:Anyone have any insight into the Columbian vote?
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6-7% is at the high endjustin124 said:
Really? Six days before the 1970 election NOP gave Labour a lead of 12.4% . On Polling Day the Tories won by 2.2%! In February 1974 , polls the weekend before the election gave Ted Heath and the Tories a lead of 6 - 7% - yet Labour emerged as the largest party.williamglenn said:
If there's one thing everyone agrees on in this world of unexpected events, it's that it's utterly inconceivable that the main opposition party could close a gap of 9% in the polls. Absolutely unthinkable and could never happen in a million years...Jonathan said:
A50 triggered in March. Snap General Election called for May. Something happens in the campaign. Corbyn wins surprise victory.SeanT said:
Aliens? War? Asteroid impact?Jonathan said:Wondering if the next twelve months could be even stranger. Things have not settled yet.
Actually, I shouldn't joke. War is not inconceivable.
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/vote-intention-1970-oct19740 -
Land redistribution, all land in Colombia is owned by just a few people, a relic of spanish colonianism.RobD said:Anyone have any insight into the Columbian vote?
The basic reason why Latin America is so backwards and festered by civil wars between the landless and the landlords.
The NO to Peace side didn't like the idea of land redistribution as part of any peace, so the war continues like usual for the same reasons, land ownership.0 -
O/T
"Britons are living in fear of robots that will ‘destroy humanity as we know it’
Thousands of Britons believe a robot uprising is inevitable and live in fear of a Terminator-esque future where artificial intelligence (AI) presides over humankind, a survey has indicated.'
https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/technology/britons-living-fear-robots-will-destroy-humanity-know/0 -
While that fear is valid, I don't think that the british people can't sleep at night terrified of killer robots.AndyJS said:O/T
"Britons are living in fear of robots that will ‘destroy humanity as we know it’
Thousands of Britons believe a robot uprising is inevitable and live in fear of a Terminator-esque future where artificial intelligence (AI) presides over humankind, a survey has indicated.'
https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/technology/britons-living-fear-robots-will-destroy-humanity-know/
Their main fear might be Ed Balls winning Strickly Come Dancing.0 -
I've just had this vision of you in a powdered wig and poodle, sniffing snuff and going "Pah! Peasants! Let them read Jeoffrey D'Archeur!"...SeanT said:Unless London property crashes (possible but still unlikely) Brexit is great for me, 80% of my income is from abroad, so a falling £ helps me a lot.
And (despite the warblings of some Remainers) I rather doubt Brexit will impact perceptions of British thriller writers abroad, such that foreigners stop buying our novels. Indeed, I reckon - quite seriously - that Brexit makes Britain and Britons more interesting. Like the French after their revolution. The country that said NO, against all the odds.
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Fool me once - shame on you.williamglenn said:
The one that would have closed if they'd correctly judged that not joining the Euro was the first step to leaving altogether.CarlottaVance said:
Is that the one that closed when we didn't join the Euro?FF43 said:
That's useful career advice for unemployed machinists at the closed down Nissan factory in Sunderland. Become a thriller writer! There's a good market.SeanT said:
Unless London property crashes (possible but still unlikely) Brexit is great for me, 80% of my income is from abroad, so a falling £ helps me a lot.
And (despite the warblings of some Remainers) I rather doubt Brexit will impact perceptions of British thriller writers abroad, such that foreigners stop buying our novels. Indeed, I reckon - quite seriously - that Brexit makes Britain and Britons more interesting. Like the French after their revolution. The country that said NO, against all the odds.
Fool me twice - shame on me.
The British voters have called the establishment's bluff - no doubt encouraged by the results of 'failing to join the Euro' - Nissan will be building cars in Sunderland long after Mr Ghosn has retired.....0 -
Maybe they heard Jezza was backing it and thought s##t he is wrong on everything...AndyJS said:0 -
With Hillary and May and Hammond in power arguably it already is!AndyJS said:O/T
"Britons are living in fear of robots that will ‘destroy humanity as we know it’
Thousands of Britons believe a robot uprising is inevitable and live in fear of a Terminator-esque future where artificial intelligence (AI) presides over humankind, a survey has indicated.'
https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/technology/britons-living-fear-robots-will-destroy-humanity-know/
Although first of all that requires the singularity to occur and of course does not preclude the possibility humans merge with robots anyway0 -
That was before the rise of UKIP and the SNP and when it was a straight two party battlejustin124 said:
Really? Six days before the 1970 election NOP gave Labour a lead of 12.4% . On Polling Day the Tories won by 2.2%! In February 1974 , polls the weekend before the election gave Ted Heath and the Tories a lead of 6 - 7% - yet Labour emerged as the largest party.williamglenn said:
If there's one thing everyone agrees on in this world of unexpected events, it's that it's utterly inconceivable that the main opposition party could close a gap of 9% in the polls. Absolutely unthinkable and could never happen in a million years...Jonathan said:
A50 triggered in March. Snap General Election called for May. Something happens in the campaign. Corbyn wins surprise victory.SeanT said:
Aliens? War? Asteroid impact?Jonathan said:Wondering if the next twelve months could be even stranger. Things have not settled yet.
Actually, I shouldn't joke. War is not inconceivable.0 -
The SNP did well in both 1974 elections! Moreover the Liberals polled nearly 20% in February 1974.HYUFD said:
That was before the rise of UKIP and the SNP and when it was a straight two party battlejustin124 said:
Really? Six days before the 1970 election NOP gave Labour a lead of 12.4% . On Polling Day the Tories won by 2.2%! In February 1974 , polls the weekend before the election gave Ted Heath and the Tories a lead of 6 - 7% - yet Labour emerged as the largest party.williamglenn said:
If there's one thing everyone agrees on in this world of unexpected events, it's that it's utterly inconceivable that the main opposition party could close a gap of 9% in the polls. Absolutely unthinkable and could never happen in a million years...Jonathan said:
A50 triggered in March. Snap General Election called for May. Something happens in the campaign. Corbyn wins surprise victory.SeanT said:
Aliens? War? Asteroid impact?Jonathan said:Wondering if the next twelve months could be even stranger. Things have not settled yet.
Actually, I shouldn't joke. War is not inconceivable.0 -
Hi thanx for this. Do u have a link please.Senga said:Having seen the comments about North Carolina early voting I thought I would have a look at the total NC electorate (as per the NC State Board of Elections website) and how it has changed.
The number of registered voters as at 29/9/2012 (as a 2012 proxy to this years current position) were 2,789,654 Dem, 2,013,483 Rep, 16,814 Lib and 1,658,642 unoffiliated total registered voters 6,478,593.
The numbers of registered voters as at 6/11/2012 Election Day were 2,870,693 Dem, 2,052,250 Rep, 19,321 Lib and 1,706,924 unoffiiliated total registered voters 6,649,188.
This showed that democrats were relatively more successful in registering voters in the last few weeks than republicans which intuitively feels sensible given the younger dem electorate.
As at 1/10/2016 the numbers were 2,684,243 Dem, 2,039,585 Rep, 29,996 Lib and 1,995, 634 unoffiliated. Total registered voters 6,749,460.
So compared to a similar period in 2012 the number of registered democrats are down 105k whilst the number of registered republicans is up by 26k. In addition, the democrats in 2012 benefited from a significant last few weeks registration drive.
Demographically comparing 2016 with 2012 election blacks are up 14k, whites down 14k, Hispanic up 42k and (somewhat unhelpfully from a trying to work out what it means perspective) other up 100k. Depending on the others this could equate to a 2% racial mix change.
So conflicting data - registered dems down but racial mix change should be favourable to dem.
Personally I am keeping as close an eye on these in totality numbers as on the early voting numbers in particular how far the number of registered democrats rises by.0 -
Linky?Senga said:Having seen the comments about North Carolina early voting I thought I would have a look at the total NC electorate (as per the NC State Board of Elections website) and how it has changed.
The number of registered voters as at 29/9/2012 (as a 2012 proxy to this years current position) were 2,789,654 Dem, 2,013,483 Rep, 16,814 Lib and 1,658,642 unoffiliated total registered voters 6,478,593.
The numbers of registered voters as at 6/11/2012 Election Day were 2,870,693 Dem, 2,052,250 Rep, 19,321 Lib and 1,706,924 unoffiiliated total registered voters 6,649,188.
This showed that democrats were relatively more successful in registering voters in the last few weeks than republicans which intuitively feels sensible given the younger dem electorate.
As at 1/10/2016 the numbers were 2,684,243 Dem, 2,039,585 Rep, 29,996 Lib and 1,995, 634 unoffiliated. Total registered voters 6,749,460.
So compared to a similar period in 2012 the number of registered democrats are down 105k whilst the number of registered republicans is up by 26k. In addition, the democrats in 2012 benefited from a significant last few weeks registration drive.
Demographically comparing 2016 with 2012 election blacks are up 14k, whites down 14k, Hispanic up 42k and (somewhat unhelpfully from a trying to work out what it means perspective) other up 100k. Depending on the others this could equate to a 2% racial mix change.
So conflicting data - registered dems down but racial mix change should be favourable to dem.
Personally I am keeping as close an eye on these in totality numbers as on the early voting numbers in particular how far the number of registered democrats rises by.
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viewcode said:
Linky?Senga said:Having seen the comments about North Carolina early voting I thought I would have a look at the total NC electorate (as per the NC State Board of Elections website) and how it has changed.
The number of registered voters as at 29/9/2012 (as a 2012 proxy to this years current position) were 2,789,654 Dem, 2,013,483 Rep, 16,814 Lib and 1,658,642 unoffiliated total registered voters 6,478,593.
The numbers of registered voters as at 6/11/2012 Election Day were 2,870,693 Dem, 2,052,250 Rep, 19,321 Lib and 1,706,924 unoffiiliated total registered voters 6,649,188.
This showed that democrats were relatively more successful in registering voters in the last few weeks than republicans which intuitively feels sensible given the younger dem electorate.
As at 1/10/2016 the numbers were 2,684,243 Dem, 2,039,585 Rep, 29,996 Lib and 1,995, 634 unoffiliated. Total registered voters 6,749,460.
So compared to a similar period in 2012 the number of registered democrats are down 105k whilst the number of registered republicans is up by 26k. In addition, the democrats in 2012 benefited from a significant last few weeks registration drive.
Demographically comparing 2016 with 2012 election blacks are up 14k, whites down 14k, Hispanic up 42k and (somewhat unhelpfully from a trying to work out what it means perspective) other up 100k. Depending on the others this could equate to a 2% racial mix change.
So conflicting data - registered dems down but racial mix change should be favourable to dem.
Personally I am keeping as close an eye on these in totality numbers as on the early voting numbers in particular how far the number of registered democrats rises by.
http://enr.ncsbe.gov/voter_stats/0 -
Wonder what Corbyn will have to say.....
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ira-bombers-who-killed-22-89575720 -
If it does get to a trial, he will probably give him a glowing reference, just like he did for the ISIS fund raiser.CarlottaVance said:Wonder what Corbyn will have to say.....
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ira-bombers-who-killed-22-89575720 -
Now there's a first world problem if ever I saw one.AndyJS said:O/T
"Britons are living in fear of robots that will ‘destroy humanity as we know it’
Thousands of Britons believe a robot uprising is inevitable and live in fear of a Terminator-esque future where artificial intelligence (AI) presides over humankind, a survey has indicated.'
https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/technology/britons-living-fear-robots-will-destroy-humanity-know/0 -
I dunno, most people being murdered by robots currently probably in Afghanistan, syria, yemen?MTimT said:
Now there's a first world problem if ever I saw one.AndyJS said:O/T
"Britons are living in fear of robots that will ‘destroy humanity as we know it’
Thousands of Britons believe a robot uprising is inevitable and live in fear of a Terminator-esque future where artificial intelligence (AI) presides over humankind, a survey has indicated.'
https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/technology/britons-living-fear-robots-will-destroy-humanity-know/0 -
They aren't autonomous.dugarbandier said:
I dunno, most people being murdered by robots currently probably in Afghanistan, syria, yemen?MTimT said:
Now there's a first world problem if ever I saw one.AndyJS said:O/T
"Britons are living in fear of robots that will ‘destroy humanity as we know it’
Thousands of Britons believe a robot uprising is inevitable and live in fear of a Terminator-esque future where artificial intelligence (AI) presides over humankind, a survey has indicated.'
https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/technology/britons-living-fear-robots-will-destroy-humanity-know/0 -
how can you tell ?RobD said:
They aren't autonomous.dugarbandier said:
I dunno, most people being murdered by robots currently probably in Afghanistan, syria, yemen?MTimT said:
Now there's a first world problem if ever I saw one.AndyJS said:O/T
"Britons are living in fear of robots that will ‘destroy humanity as we know it’
Thousands of Britons believe a robot uprising is inevitable and live in fear of a Terminator-esque future where artificial intelligence (AI) presides over humankind, a survey has indicated.'
https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/technology/britons-living-fear-robots-will-destroy-humanity-know/ 0 -
Would you like some tin foil?dugarbandier said:
how can you tell ?RobD said:
They aren't autonomous.dugarbandier said:
I dunno, most people being murdered by robots currently probably in Afghanistan, syria, yemen?MTimT said:
Now there's a first world problem if ever I saw one.AndyJS said:O/T
"Britons are living in fear of robots that will ‘destroy humanity as we know it’
Thousands of Britons believe a robot uprising is inevitable and live in fear of a Terminator-esque future where artificial intelligence (AI) presides over humankind, a survey has indicated.'
https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/technology/britons-living-fear-robots-will-destroy-humanity-know/
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would I pass a Turing test?RobD said:
Would you like some tin foil?dugarbandier said:
how can you tell ?RobD said:
They aren't autonomous.dugarbandier said:
I dunno, most people being murdered by robots currently probably in Afghanistan, syria, yemen?MTimT said:
Now there's a first world problem if ever I saw one.AndyJS said:O/T
"Britons are living in fear of robots that will ‘destroy humanity as we know it’
Thousands of Britons believe a robot uprising is inevitable and live in fear of a Terminator-esque future where artificial intelligence (AI) presides over humankind, a survey has indicated.'
https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/technology/britons-living-fear-robots-will-destroy-humanity-know/
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dugarbandier said:
would I pass a Turing test?RobD said:
Would you like some tin foil?dugarbandier said:
how can you tell ?RobD said:
They aren't autonomous.dugarbandier said:
I dunno, most people being murdered by robots currently probably in Afghanistan, syria, yemen?MTimT said:
Now there's a first world problem if ever I saw one.AndyJS said:O/T
"Britons are living in fear of robots that will ‘destroy humanity as we know it’
Thousands of Britons believe a robot uprising is inevitable and live in fear of a Terminator-esque future where artificial intelligence (AI) presides over humankind, a survey has indicated.'
https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/technology/britons-living-fear-robots-will-destroy-humanity-know/
now I'm not sure what to believe..... 0 -
Three pages of Trump's tax returns confirm he's a business failure who's gotten rich at your expense. Imagine what he’s hiding in the rest. pic.twitter.com/E3Wt3KRleN
— Hillary Clinton (@HillaryClinton) October 3, 20160 -
How's he still a billionaire 20 years later then? *innocent face*CarlottaVance said:Three pages of Trump's tax returns confirm he's a business failure who's gotten rich at your expense. Imagine what he’s hiding in the rest. pic.twitter.com/E3Wt3KRleN
— Hillary Clinton (@HillaryClinton) October 3, 20160 -
I sense a disturbance in the force... as if my arch nemesis peter is waiting in the wings to snipe the first.0
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Guardian sketch:
There are two ways of scheduling a party conference: either you space out your potential liabilities throughout the week or you have done with it and put most of them on together at the start. Theresa May went for the Snow White approach of putting three of her cabinet dwarves, Grumpy, Dopey and Happy, out first on a Brexit-themed day. The only minister missing was Liam Fox. Smarmy would have to wait for another day.
Just to make sure there were as few hiccups as possible, Snow White chose to put in an unexpected appearance at the top of the show. The message was clear. I’m in charge and if any of the clowns that follow do manage to go off Autocue and contradict me then there will be hell to pay. “Let me tell you, conference,” she began, “Brexit means Brexit.” Cue loud cheers from everyone.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/02/hey-ho-hey-ho-snow-whites-conference-dwarves-get-to-work0 -
I'm trying to hold out at least another hourMTimT said: 0 -
http://www.defenseone.com/technology/2015/01/us-military-building-gangs-autonomous-flying-war-bots/103614/RobD said:
They aren't autonomous.dugarbandier said:
I dunno, most people being murdered by robots currently probably in Afghanistan, syria, yemen?MTimT said:
Now there's a first world problem if ever I saw one.AndyJS said:O/T
"Britons are living in fear of robots that will ‘destroy humanity as we know it’
Thousands of Britons believe a robot uprising is inevitable and live in fear of a Terminator-esque future where artificial intelligence (AI) presides over humankind, a survey has indicated.'
https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/technology/britons-living-fear-robots-will-destroy-humanity-know/
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You don't get that in London!
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2016/09/30/passersby-shocked-by-jumbotron-showing-porn-in-south-jakarta.html
The billboard is next to South Jakarta City Hall.....0 -
"The agency is looking to build packs of flying machines that communicate more with one another as with their operator, which, in turn, would allow a single operator to preside over a unit of six or more drones. "Indigo said:
http://www.defenseone.com/technology/2015/01/us-military-building-gangs-autonomous-flying-war-bots/103614/RobD said:
They aren't autonomous.dugarbandier said:
I dunno, most people being murdered by robots currently probably in Afghanistan, syria, yemen?MTimT said:
Now there's a first world problem if ever I saw one.AndyJS said:O/T
"Britons are living in fear of robots that will ‘destroy humanity as we know it’
Thousands of Britons believe a robot uprising is inevitable and live in fear of a Terminator-esque future where artificial intelligence (AI) presides over humankind, a survey has indicated.'
https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/technology/britons-living-fear-robots-will-destroy-humanity-know/
Still not autonomous!0 -
Now that I've nabbed the first... new thread!0
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Last!0
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Is this a new thing?williamglenn said:Last!
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Heheh.RobD said:
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