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  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221

    From yesterday....

    Uefa had Forest-Anderlecht referee bribe evidence 'for four years'

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-37453762
    Rife I tell you. And Anderlecht were clearly not alone in this.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    edited September 2016
    On the debate: I expect that sentiment, and therefore the betting, might well shift substantially as a result of the debate. I haven't much of a clue in which direction, although if pushed I'd say Trump is more likely to be the winner. Either way, it's likely that the shift will be an over-reaction. I'm currently green on both with a small tilt towards Hillary. My plan is to go to bed, and in the morning to bet against whoever is regarded as 'winning'.
  • Summat I never understood about the start-up scene in Cambridge - probably relevant to Silicon Valley or Old Street too - is how they afford to start out. Most fresh graduates need to go and earn a crust, particularly if they're living away from home. I appreciate that even as a two-man show the funding can start coming in pretty early, but how do you set up with an office, pay the rent on your flat, keep food in your mouth and so on? Cambridge is not a cheap city to live.

    I don't watch much telly but was struck that on Dragon's Den, the young'uns who've had a big idea - often for consumer product rather than tech - almost always moved back home and worked in a spare room, while their parents provided the bread and board.
    Perhaps tuition fees have inadvertently made 20-somethings more comfortable sinking into debt with the chance of a big pay off if they get it right?
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    SeanT said:

    None outside France.

    Pret a Manger?
    nah Pret is british and doing well in france.
  • On the debate: I expect that sentiment, and therefore the betting, might well shift substantially as a result of the debates. I haven't much of a clue in which direction, although if pushed I'd say Trump is more likely to be the winner. Either way, it's likely that the shift will be an over-reaction. I'm currently green on both with a small tilt towards Hillary. My plan is to go to bed, and in the morning to bet against whoever is regarded as 'winning'.

    I think that's a good strategy. It's quite possible that the pundits will call it wrong after the debate. They're both likely to have strong moments where they land blows, but how the wider public have perceived it won't really be known for a couple of days.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,867
    Here's the Tory perspective on what the PLP should do to get rid of Jezza;

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/26/moderate-labour-rebels-have-been-utterly-hopeless-they-should-fo/
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 4,762
    edited September 2016

    Perhaps tuition fees have inadvertently made 20-somethings more comfortable sinking into debt with the chance of a big pay off if they get it right?
    Maybe it's to do with education? Comparing my son's education to my own (at the same school), there seems to be a lot more emphasis nowadays on giving kids the confidence to believe in their abilities and persevere. In my day, it was basically all about passing exams and making the rugby team.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,525
    edited September 2016
    Re Cambridge and Startups

    The university offer fairly small amounts of seed capital (£20-50k) for students to try to spin out ideas. If its just you and your laptop, you can make that last long enough to get a prototype to take to bigger investors.
  • SeanT said:

    Oh lordy. Chuka Umunna is drunk and doesn't care. This is the death rattle

    Where? Newsnight?
  • MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    edited September 2016

    Perhaps tuition fees have inadvertently made 20-somethings more comfortable sinking into debt with the chance of a big pay off if they get it right?
    I wondered that, but you still need some cash to get by! The overdraft is likely exhausted for many by then...
  • Ah, that explains why the referendum competition results were kept quiet for so long until they could be safely buried. Congrats, @MikeK.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,525
    edited September 2016
    Re Startups

    Should also say, I have a friend whose son is a recent PhD and working on his startup. By day he works in a coffee shop to pay the rent, but then works every other hour of day / night on developing his idea.
  • Re Cambridge and Startups

    The university offer fairly small amounts of seed capital (£20-50k) for students to try to spin out ideas. If its just you and your laptop, you can make that last long enough to get a prototype to take to bigger investors.

    Helpful. Thanks.

    I did wonder with the techy kids whether they kept themselves going with a bit of freelancing on the side, but it would knock a lot off your focus.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    Looks scary, don't it? Merkel has, I read, said today that Germany will not bail out Deutsche Bank and DB's long-standing troubles seem to be getting worse. If it goes down it could stuff Germany politically in the EU if they rescue it (having been so brutal with Greece, Cyprus, Italy et al) or economically if they do not.

    We just have to hope that Deutsche Bank does not go down, not that I would put any money on it or lend any to Deutsche Bank.

    The big risk is, of course, that having been hung out to dry, everybody else will take the same attitude to Deutsche Bank as you. If it starts to seriously totter, then it could easily turn into the German version of Northern Rock. Except that Deutsche Bank is huge and systemically important, the largest bank in Germany and the third largest in the Eurozone. A more accurate comparison would be if our Treasury had to stop a run on Barclays. And rumour has it that Commerzbank isn't in much better shape either.

    You can easily see a situation developing in which the German government allows a crisis to develop out of a reluctance to intervene. One which, in turn, badly shakes confidence in the whole German banking system. Then it is forced to bail like Hell anyway, at which point the EU's system of one rule for the big countries, another for the little ones (remember, Cyprus has already been forced to implement depositor bail-ins) would be ruthlessly exposed, and budgetary austerity discipline in the Eurozone would probably collapse.

    Meanwhile, contagion from Germany would spread outwards into the rest of the Eurozone banking system, crippling France, and quite likely forcing the colossally-indebted Greeks and Italians into a full scale systemic recapitalisation which they cannot, presumably, afford to implement within the Euro, because of the strictures imposed on the ECB to prevent the de facto collectivisation of state debt. The ECB can't just hand over the money as a gift, and nor can the distressed governments print their own Euros. Capital controls, forced re-denomination, a return to national currencies and quite possibly a partial default on government debt could occur within weeks across Southern Europe. The Germans would then be hit by the combined effects of a tidal wave of losses through the Target 2 system, a second round of bank re-capitalisation, and a substantial appreciation in the value of the residual core Euro all at once.

    Especially given the loss of competitiveness that would result from currency appreciation, in an economy which is arguably imbalanced and excessively dependent on export earnings, a deep and prolonged recession would be likely. The country would be hamstrung, with a debt to GDP ratio well in excess of 100%. The rest of the Eurozone would've been badly shaken, the Euro project would be ruined, and the EU itself might well perish in the conflagration.

    Or am I being just a tad pessimistic?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,867
    SeanT said:

    Oh lordy. Chuka Umunna is drunk and doesn't care. This is the death rattle

    Am watching now on Iplayer!
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,108

    I believe there was a sanitorium for TB on the island for that reason. Can't remember where though,
    I believe it was where Ventnor botanic gardens is now. The gardens claims to grow various warm climate plants that wouldn't survive in many places else.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,359
    GIN1138 said:

    Am watching now on Iplayer!
    Do pass the popcorn!
  • RobD said:

    Do pass the popcorn!
    I had to get a jumbo sized pack in for the debate later on!
  • BBC are running a poll of polls for POTUS from now until Nov,

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37450661
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,552
    SeanT said:

    Oh lordy. Chuka Umunna is drunk and doesn't care. This is the death rattle

    I have to say his "Fuck it!" drunk persona is much more appealing than his supercilious, icy cool sober day outfit.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,867
    edited September 2016
    SeanT said:

    Boringly, he sobers up after his first boozy locution. Thought he was gonna totally lose it
    Yes, after clearly being drunk at the beginning he seemed to "recover" as it better as it went on.

    Obviously he wouldn't have sobered up that quickly so he must be a pretty seasoned drinker and used to covering it well when in public.

    You wouldn't have thought "Mr Smooth" would have it in him would you? ;)

    He'll need to "up" his cleansing regimen in the morning to revitalize his pores... :smiley:
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,552
    Dixie said:

    Rife I tell you. And Anderlecht were clearly not alone in this.
    Forest should be allowed a third star on their shirts. We wuz robbed!
  • Nathan DeSai*...a lawyer who apparently had some big bust up with the law firm he worked at.

    * That is an Indian name I believe.
    Perhaps his swastikas were prototype rather than vulgar, arriviste Nazi ones.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited September 2016
    Former Sunday Times editor Harold Evans was interviewed on Radio 4's The World Tonight; he was in the US, talking about the presidential debate. I must admit I didn't realise he was still alive. He's 88.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,867
    edited September 2016
    They can't let a duffer like El Gord be the last Labour PM? At least Tony won (three) elections!
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited September 2016
    SeanT said:

    Oh lordy. Chuka Umunna is drunk and doesn't care. This is the death rattle

    Switch over to the BBC News Channel to watch it again. 130 on Freeview.
  • Drunk Chuka sounded quite like Ken Livingstone.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
  • GIN1138 said:

    They can't let a duffer like El Gord be the last Labour PM? At least Tony won (three) elections!
    After cursing everything he touched. How apt that Gordon should have enabled labour to die itself as his parting curse.
  • SeanT said:

    One deeply surprising thing is how shit these Corbynite Labourites are: at basic public speaking.

    Corbyn and McDonnell and the rest have spent their entire lives on podiums, hectoring and enthusing the faithful. This is surely what they DO, above all else.

    But put them on a national stage and they stammer and waffle, and stutter and repeat. Dreadful.

    Richard Burgon. He went to a good uni and yet has to concentrate just to stand up.
  • SeanT said:

    Yes. I could possibly vote for "drunk but fuck-it New Labour".

    I had to get a jumbo sized pack in for the debate later on!
    I'm sick and tired of popcorn! :lol:
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
  • "Re-Animator" on the Horror Channel.

    Maybe Labour could do with the bright yellow goo!
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Hillary just tweeted " here are 35 questions Trump still needs to answer"

    Fail. 35?!? Lack of focus or what?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,108
    I will be glad when this thread with its reloading spreadsheet with hundreds of blank lines is gone....
  • IanB2 said:

    I will be glad when this thread with its reloading spreadsheet with hundreds of blank lines is gone....

    Just as long as it doesn't list all of Hillary's questions.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,234
    PlatoSaid said:

    Hillary just tweeted " here are 35 questions Trump still needs to answer"

    Fail. 35?!? Lack of focus or what?

    I don't think thats her doing the tweeting - Hillary Clinton seems to be an entire industry !
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Fox
    Pennsylvania Poll: @HillaryClinton barely leads @realDonaldTrump 45% to 44%. #debatenight https://t.co/7DX4DwJBPA
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,525
    edited September 2016
    Pulpstar said:

    I don't think thats her doing the tweeting - Hillary Clinton seems to be an entire industry !
    Tweeting...Clinton...she claims she can't even manage more than one email account, whats the chance of knowing her # from her @ sign?
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Tennessee GOP
    BREAKING
  • I see MNF is on at the same time as the debate.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    SeanT said:

    As things stand I'd say Labour is headed for a general election result of 20-25%. Very very close to extinction.
    I'm presently working on the assumption that they'll hold on to at least 25% - or, at any rate, not dip very much below it. There are too many people for whom the Corbyn platform is genuinely appealing, too many remaining dependent and habit voters, and the Labour brand itself is too strong, for anything other than a gradual slide into the darkness. Unless there is a major split in the party, in which case who knows?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,291
    AndyJS said:

    Former Sunday Times editor Harold Evans was interviewed on Radio 4's The World Tonight; he was in the US, talking about the presidential debate. I must admit I didn't realise he was still alive. He's 88.

    If anybody's interested, it's here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07w5xyh
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,852
    edited September 2016

    Tweeting...Clinton...she claims she can't even manage more than one email account, whats the chance of knowing her # from her @ sign?
    The account that her campaign has been using to tweet 'fact checks' and videos has the earth-shattering follower count of almost 60k to Trump's 11.7m.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,291

    I know of somebody who has $100k on Clinton....

    Oh, [redacted], [redacted], [redacted], [redacted], [redacted], [redacted], [redacted], [redacted], [redacted], [redacted], [redacted], [redacted].... [redacted]
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    Benghazi survivor Mark Geist confirmed to be on Trump's guest list tonight.

    #Debates2016 #debatenight https://t.co/uPrHnRbgXe
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,234
    edited September 2016

    I see MNF is on at the same time as the debate.

    Falcons vs Saints, both should be easy holds for Trump.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    viewcode said:

    Oh, [redacted], [redacted], [redacted], [redacted], [redacted], [redacted], [redacted], [redacted], [redacted], [redacted], [redacted], [redacted].... [redacted]
    Ouch.

    She's still favourite, but not by much.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,821

    I'm presently working on the assumption that they'll hold on to at least 25% - or, at any rate, not dip very much below it. There are too many people for whom the Corbyn platform is genuinely appealing, too many remaining dependent and habit voters, and the Labour brand itself is too strong, for anything other than a gradual slide into the darkness. Unless there is a major split in the party, in which case who knows?
    I don't think there's too many for whom Corbynism is genuinely appealing (maybe 1.5m voters, max?). But there are a lot of habit voters - a lot who will always vote Labour because most seats are two-way fights and they prefer a Labour party that they no longer understand to a conservative party that they'll never vote for. So 25% looks about right as a floor. But unless some form of sanity returns it will also be a ceiling.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Fox
    Poll: 73% of registered voters plan to watch tonight's debate between Trump and Clinton. #debates #debatenight https://t.co/myIKOvP0hD
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Bloomberg poll

    Poll: @realDonaldTrump leads @HillaryClinton 43% to 41%. #debatenight #Debates2016 https://t.co/RIILsFiz4b
  • PlatoSaid said:

    Bloomberg poll

    Poll: @realDonaldTrump leads @HillaryClinton 43% to 41%. #debatenight #Debates2016 https://t.co/RIILsFiz4b

    What was your Tennessee GOP post supposed to say? It looks like the link was lost.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Pulpstar said:

    I don't think thats her doing the tweeting - Hillary Clinton seems to be an entire industry !
    Indeed not. If it had been Hillary, it would have been 350 questions ... ;)
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    What was your Tennessee GOP post supposed to say? It looks like the link was lost.
    I posted the other bit again when I noticed!
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Dear me


    Walmart is apologizing for refusing to make a police officer’s retirement cake last week after an employee told the cop’s daughter that her “thin blue line” cake design might be considered racist.

    Read more here: http://www.macon.com/news/nation-world/national/article104188001.html#storylink=cpy
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034



    (*) The easy way to have a fortune in motor racing? Start with a larger fortune.

    The way to make a small fortune in horses is to start with a big one.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,359
    PlatoSaid said:

    Dear me


    Walmart is apologizing for refusing to make a police officer’s retirement cake last week after an employee told the cop’s daughter that her “thin blue line” cake design might be considered racist.

    Read more here: http://www.macon.com/news/nation-world/national/article104188001.html#storylink=cpy

    I think the problem is more the "blue lives matter" text written on it.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    For anyone who doesn't get US election but afraid to ask

    The Fix
    How to explain the 2016 election to someone who just tuned in https://t.co/1saJBOPLF5 https://t.co/gqcUC5mSIg
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    PPP
    #NEW UPI/CVOTER Polls:

    #Colorado:
    Clinton 49% (+4)
    Trump 45%

    #Michigan:
    Clinton 50% (+4)
    Trump 46%

    #Wisconsin:
    Clinton 50% (+4)
    Trump 46%
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,525
    edited September 2016
    RobD said:

    I think the problem is more the "blue lives matter" text written on it.
    Smurf-ist....
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,291
    Pong said:

    Ouch.

    She's still favourite, but not by much.
    Isn't there a rule-of-thumb that the one ahead after the debates goes on to win?
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Pew Research
    Profile of Democratic voters:
    1992:
    76% white
    17% black,
    6% Hispanic.

    2016:
    57% white
    21% black
    12% Hispanic
    https://t.co/BSJ0mEf3Rv
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,359

    Smurf-ist....
    Can't stand the buggers
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    PlatoSaid said:

    Tennessee GOP
    BREAKING

    I knew the GOP had problems but I didn't think they'd break yet.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    #NEW UPI/CVOTER Polls:

    #Virginia:
    Trump 50% (+4)
    Clinton 46%

    #Florida:
    Trump 48% (+2)
    Clinton 46%

    #Iowa:
    Trump 49% (+2)
    Clinton 47%
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    #NEW UPI/CVOTER Polls

    North Carolina:
    Trump 49 (+3)
    Clinton 46

    #Ohio
    Trump 49 (+1)
    Clinton 48

    #Pennsylvania:
    Trump 48 (+1)
    Clinton 47
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    corporeal said:

    I knew the GOP had problems but I didn't think they'd break yet.
    We've just got wind of it.... ;)
  • PlatoSaid said:

    #NEW UPI/CVOTER Polls
    #Pennsylvania:
    Trump 48 (+1)
    Clinton 47

    Choo choo.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    #NEW @UPI Electoral Map
    (270 EV Needed):

    Trump 292
    Clinton 246

    https://t.co/zuknsK0iVb https://t.co/gB19EF0ITp
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,359
    Even though I live here, I don't have cable. Where are people watching the debate online?
  • RobD said:

    Even though I live here, I don't have cable. Where are people watching the debate online?

    The Sky news stream works in the US.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,525
    edited September 2016
    RobD said:

    Even though I live here, I don't have cable. Where are people watching the debate online?

    Google / Youtube has an "official" live stream....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=855Am6ovK7s
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited September 2016
    PlatoSaid said:

    Dear me


    Walmart is apologizing for refusing to make a police officer’s retirement cake last week after an employee told the cop’s daughter that her “thin blue line” cake design might be considered racist.

    Read more here: http://www.macon.com/news/nation-world/national/article104188001.html#storylink=cpy

    Hey? Upsetting people with blue skin?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,359

    The Sky news stream works in the US.
    I think they have very recently disabled it in the US
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited September 2016
    viewcode said:

    Isn't there a rule-of-thumb that the one ahead after the debates goes on to win?
    I think the general rule is that everyone always finds reasons to justify why this time it's going to be different - and the polls are going to shift - and that very rarely happens.

    So yeah, whoever is ahead in the polls in a week will probably win.

    If it's clinton +5 she'll be short odds.

    If it's trump +5, he'll almost certainly be value - expect lots of talk about clinton's superior ground game.

    FWIW, I'm not sure the polls will shift that much.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,359
    AndyJS said:

    Hey? Upsetting people with blue skin?
    Could be misconstrued as mockery.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    The Sky news stream works in the US.
    also c-span.org.

    Screw cable - get satellite. It's cheaper, better picture, and customer service is fantastic - unlike cable they know you have a choice. Unless you live in an apartment of course...
  • RobD said:

    I think the problem is more the "blue lives matter" text written on it.
    She should have written "Tory lives matter" :lol:
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Alternative feed

    Entertainment Weekly
    Want to watch #debatenight, but don't have a TV? Here's how you can tune in: https://t.co/2K4jo84H9k
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,359
    Tim_B said:

    also c-span.org.

    Screw cable - get satellite. It's cheaper, better picture, and customer service is fantastic - unlike cable they know you have a choice. Unless you live in an apartment of course...
    Or I could be a cheap bastard and rely on the internet ;)
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Pong said:

    I think the general rule is that everyone always finds reasons to justify why this time it's going to be different - and the polls are going to shift - and that very rarely happens.

    So yeah, whoever is ahead in the polls in a week will probably win.

    If it's clinton +5 she'll be short odds.

    If it's trump +5, he'll be valueexpect lots of talk about clinton's superior ground game.
    Remember in 2012 Romney absolutely destroyed Obama in the first debate and won big time. The rest is history.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,359
    also a stream here

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7FRhxIhD5Y

    Just watch it get taken down the second the debate starts.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Scary funny

    Paddy Power
    I'M SO READY. #debatenight https://t.co/OKrbGexXKW
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    RobD said:

    Or I could be a cheap bastard and rely on the internet ;)
    That particular option had eluded me ;)
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Why do they do this? It never ends well :lol:

    PHOTOS: Obama dressed for the White House Tribal Nations Conference https://t.co/TZzTAg8MRR https://t.co/5pLOorfMl0
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    edited September 2016
    Nice trivia

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/26/so-why-are-presidential-debates-moderated-by-journalists-anyway/?postshare=4861474935112157&tid=ss_tw

    Jill Lepore delivered a brief history lesson on the subject in the New Yorker this week: "The networks wanted Nixon and Kennedy to question each other; both men insisted on taking questions from a panel of reporters, one from each network, a format that is more generally known as a parallel press conference."

    According to a Washington Post report on Sept. 1, 1960, "the networks, led by NBC's board chairman, Robert W. Sarnoff, proposed the two candidates join in a 'great debate' on the air." By "great debate," Sarnoff meant a head-to-head, unmoderated affair loosely rooted in the Lincoln-Douglas tradition. In fact, the word "debate," as it was understood at the time, meant that no moderator would be involved. Thus The Post referred to the first Kennedy-Nixon session as a "discussion of issues" or a "TV engagement."
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Monday Night Football about to get underway - both teams held hands on the field.
  • Tim_B said:

    Monday Night Football about to get underway - both teams held hands on the field.

    Not sure we will be seeing the same from the POTUS candidates this evening....
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    I need 5 TVs

    .@FrankLuntz's focus group is warming up! You'll hear from the voters in 10 only on CBSN. Watch: https://t.co/FVJKcJcTNl #CBSNreax #debates https://t.co/hDpxjyOnmL
  • PlatoSaid said:

    I need 5 TVs

    .@FrankLuntz's focus group is warming up! You'll hear from the voters in 10 only on CBSN. Watch: https://t.co/FVJKcJcTNl #CBSNreax #debates https://t.co/hDpxjyOnmL

    I think it might go something like this....

    BOOOO....BOOOO...LIAR....LIAR....BOOOO...BOOOO...

    I expect to see the "worm" digging for the centre of the earth.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,359
    CNN going heavy on Trump being unprepared. Doing the expectations management for him?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,359
    Clinton just entered the building unaided. :o
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    RobD said:

    also a stream here

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7FRhxIhD5Y

    Just watch it get taken down the second the debate starts.

    Facebook are streaming it live.

    https://www.facebook.com/elections/us2016
  • RobD said:

    CNN going heavy on Trump being unprepared. Doing the expectations management for him?

    Apparently he didn't turn up to the "practice" time they were allowed yesterday.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    edited September 2016

    Apparently he didn't turn up to the "practice" time they were allowed yesterday.
    I find myself so cynical about the MSM says these days - I discount 90% as spin or editorialising.
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