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Meanwhile, Esther McVey's live-in horse breeder lover, MP Philip Davies, received £10,000 in benefits from companies with links to the gambling industry during a contentious year-long inquiry into the betting trade by a select committee that he was a member of (source) - and failed to report those benefits to the committee.Dromedary said:(snip)
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Oh by all means criticise her. I'm thinking more of people advocating she be lynched or calling her a stain on humanity or vandalising her office or threatening her parents. They're from the same stable as people calling a Jewish Labour MP a "yid cunt".Dromedary said:
If you stopped spitting ("manic", "loathing", "hard left"), you could find out some of what it is that people have against her. Start by looking at how her family demolition business, in which she used to be a director, operates. Then look at how she has claimed as her great inspiration William Lever. She calls him "the Merseyside soap baron who became one of the greatest philanthropists". Also known as Lord Leverhulme, the guy ran a private slave-based regime in Congo under the wing of Leopold II of Belgium. The population got reduced by half. This is described in the book Lord Leverhulme's Ghosts: Colonial Exploitation in the Congo. At the DWP she was Minister for Employment, That job normally comes with a health and safety role, namely responsibility for the Health and Safety Executive. But given her family firm's terrible record in health and safety, she got banned from having any responsibilities in that area after the Chartered Institute of Environmental Health wrote to David Cameron to tell them about her. Maybe they are all hard maniacs from the rabid left-handed brigade of misogynistic loathers.Sean_F said:I don't know what Esther McVey has done to incur the manic loathing of the hard left.
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Anyone who has to invoke Leopold II to justify their behaviour is scratching around for an excuse.Dromedary said:
If you stopped spitting ("manic", "loathing", "hard left"), you could find out some of what it is that people have against her. Start by looking at how her family demolition business, in which she used to be a director, operates. Then look at how she has claimed as her great inspiration William Lever. She calls him "the Merseyside soap baron who became one of the greatest philanthropists". Also known as Lord Leverhulme, the guy ran a private slave-based regime in Congo under the wing of Leopold II of Belgium. The population got reduced by half. This is described in the book Lord Leverhulme's Ghosts: Colonial Exploitation in the Congo. At the DWP she was Minister for Employment, That job normally comes with a health and safety role, namely responsibility for the Health and Safety Executive. But given her family firm's terrible record in health and safety, she got banned from having any responsibilities in that area after the Chartered Institute of Environmental Health wrote to David Cameron to tell them about her. Maybe they are all hard maniacs from the rabid left-handed brigade of misogynistic loathers.Sean_F said:I don't know what Esther McVey has done to incur the manic loathing of the hard left.
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QuiteCasino_Royale said:0 -
Indeed, talk about reaching.Casino_Royale said:
Anyone who has to invoke Leopold II to justify their behaviour is scratching around for an excuse.Dromedary said:
If you stopped spitting ("manic", "loathing", "hard left"), you could find out some of what it is that people have against her. Start by looking at how her family demolition business, in which she used to be a director, operates. Then look at how she has claimed as her great inspiration William Lever. She calls him "the Merseyside soap baron who became one of the greatest philanthropists". Also known as Lord Leverhulme, the guy ran a private slave-based regime in Congo under the wing of Leopold II of Belgium. The population got reduced by half. This is described in the book Lord Leverhulme's Ghosts: Colonial Exploitation in the Congo. At the DWP she was Minister for Employment, That job normally comes with a health and safety role, namely responsibility for the Health and Safety Executive. But given her family firm's terrible record in health and safety, she got banned from having any responsibilities in that area after the Chartered Institute of Environmental Health wrote to David Cameron to tell them about her. Maybe they are all hard maniacs from the rabid left-handed brigade of misogynistic loathers.Sean_F said:I don't know what Esther McVey has done to incur the manic loathing of the hard left.
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As things stand, it means that they will happen. But until the conference vote actually happens and the measure is approved nothing is certain. Corbyn is fighting tooth and nail to prevent it and Len McCluskey is by his side.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Observer, can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.
Does that mean the Scottish and Welsh NEC members will happen, or not?
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Shocking
Economists at @hmtreasury have reversed their downgrades and now expect growth of 1.8pc - exactly the same as they predicted before the vote https://t.co/wH3sJNK3Rr0 -
Mr. Observer, hope it works out.0
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There are lots of dubious connections, heroes and heroines amongst MPs: from tobacco to arms trading. None of them are Richard Roper: they don't deserve 'stain on humanity' insults.
There's a nasty bigoted anti-semitic and misogynist spine down team Corbyn. It's deeply unpleasant. But then, wasn't it ever thus with Marxist-Leninist-Trotskyites?0 -
Morning all,
A bumper week in store. POTUS debate and ferret fighting at the seaside.0 -
I feel sure those same economists will be telling us all that they will be downgrading the extra 350 million a day to the NHS promised by the Vote leave campaign to ZEROPlatoSaid said:Shocking
Economists at @hmtreasury have reversed their downgrades and now expect growth of 1.8pc - exactly the same as they predicted before the vote https://t.co/wH3sJNK3Rr0 -
If (all sections of) the members are overwhelmingly pro-JC, won't the Conference be also?SouthamObserver said:
As things stand, it means that they will happen. But until the conference vote actually happens and the measure is approved nothing is certain. Corbyn is fighting tooth and nail to prevent it and Len McCluskey is by his side.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Observer, can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.
Does that mean the Scottish and Welsh NEC members will happen, or not?
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Quite.Sean_F said:
Oh by all means criticise her. I'm thinking more of people advocating she be lynched or calling her a stain on humanity or vandalising her office or threatening her parents. They're from the same stable as people calling a Jewish Labour MP a "yid cunt".Dromedary said:
If you stopped spitting ("manic", "loathing", "hard left"), you could find out some of what it is that people have against her. Start by looking at how her family demolition business, in which she used to be a director, operates. Then look at how she has claimed as her great inspiration William Lever. She calls him "the Merseyside soap baron who became one of the greatest philanthropists". Also known as Lord Leverhulme, the guy ran a private slave-based regime in Congo under the wing of Leopold II of Belgium. The population got reduced by half. This is described in the book Lord Leverhulme's Ghosts: Colonial Exploitation in the Congo. At the DWP she was Minister for Employment, That job normally comes with a health and safety role, namely responsibility for the Health and Safety Executive. But given her family firm's terrible record in health and safety, she got banned from having any responsibilities in that area after the Chartered Institute of Environmental Health wrote to David Cameron to tell them about her. Maybe they are all hard maniacs from the rabid left-handed brigade of misogynistic loathers.Sean_F said:I don't know what Esther McVey has done to incur the manic loathing of the hard left.
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@Dannythefink Daniel Finkelstein Retweeted Nick Robinson
I think the obstacles to Corbyn as PM are too great to overcome but I think it is imperative and a media duty to take it seriously.
You betcha.0 -
No, twitter's obviously *the* source, given the number of links posted from it.not_on_fire said:
So just to be clear, not a single TV station or newspaper is trustworthy in your world. They're ALL biased.PlatoSaid said:
TBH, I don't place any faith in the US media at all, and even less in the UK media re Trump. The bias against him is painful.Dromedary said:
Which would win it for the other.Sandpit said:I wonder how much either candidate can gain from the debates, although maybe there's a low bar of expectation from them both. They've both got a lot to lose though, one slip of the tongue could sink their campaign.
There isn't symmetry. Shocks favour Trump. This makes it like Brexit.
Predictions about the TV "debate" are of little value if they come from journalists who don't mention the fake world of wrestling. Here is how Trump is seen to "stand up to pressure" in that environment:
ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHwypvDvuFY?t=01m20s
It's like watching Soubry commenting on Brexit voters.
The only source of the truth is the right wing news sites and columnist you constantly copy and paste.
Is that correct? Does it not cross your mind that this bias is actually because what you believe to be true is not consistent with reality?
And that's a problem: the very way Twitter works means that you end up getting views from people you generally agree with, which is why phrases such as : "My twitter feed is alive with ..." are meaningless.
People who bathe themselves in views on Twitter are only going to get self-assurance. They're not seeking anyone to challenge their views.
Twitter is poison for political debate.0 -
Society in general I would say, Mr Jessop.JosiasJessop said:
No, twitter's obviously *the* source, given the number of links posted from it.not_on_fire said:
So just to be clear, not a single TV station or newspaper is trustworthy in your world. They're ALL biased.PlatoSaid said:
TBH, I don't place any faith in the US media at all, and even less in the UK media re Trump. The bias against him is painful.Dromedary said:
Which would win it for the other.Sandpit said:I wonder how much either candidate can gain from the debates, although maybe there's a low bar of expectation from them both. They've both got a lot to lose though, one slip of the tongue could sink their campaign.
There isn't symmetry. Shocks favour Trump. This makes it like Brexit.
Predictions about the TV "debate" are of little value if they come from journalists who don't mention the fake world of wrestling. Here is how Trump is seen to "stand up to pressure" in that environment:
ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHwypvDvuFY?t=01m20s
It's like watching Soubry commenting on Brexit voters.
The only source of the truth is the right wing news sites and columnist you constantly copy and paste.
Is that correct? Does it not cross your mind that this bias is actually because what you believe to be true is not consistent with reality?
And that's a problem: the very way Twitter works means that you end up getting views from people you generally agree with, which is why phrases such as : "My twitter feed is alive with ..." are meaningless.
People who bathe themselves in views on Twitter are only going to get self-assurance. They're not seeking anyone to challenge their views.
Twitter is poison for political debate.0 -
History of Parliament
As promised, our blog from @KathrynRix marking the death of Conservative MP Gerald Arbuthnot at the Somme, 25/9/16: https://t.co/zELHSzXHZh0 -
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/714094/Scottish-MPs-claim-500k-of-taxpayers-money-business-flights-natalie-mcGarry
SNP MPs getting a taste for the high life.
Other notable business-class travellers included Mhairi Black, who once claimed Westminster had a "sense of entitlement that still oozes out of the pores of this discredited institution".
Lol.0 -
It would require the conference to reject, in full, the entire wide ranging package of changes to the rule book put forward by the NEC. That's because the Conference Arrangements Committee has ruled that the package be voted on as a whole (including changes such as guaranteeing a party leader a presence on the ballot in the event of a future leadership challenge). It would be exceptional for that sort of thing to happen, which must make it unlikely. If the far left could pull it off, they really could be considered to be on the march, but otherwise they are going to go two down on the NEC.IanB2 said:
If (all sections of) the members are overwhelmingly pro-JC, won't the Conference be also?SouthamObserver said:
As things stand, it means that they will happen. But until the conference vote actually happens and the measure is approved nothing is certain. Corbyn is fighting tooth and nail to prevent it and Len McCluskey is by his side.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Observer, can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.
Does that mean the Scottish and Welsh NEC members will happen, or not?0 -
Conference is not OMOV and the CLP representation is more tilted towards the pre-2015 members as they are the ones that get involved. But the vote could still be lost.IanB2 said:
If (all sections of) the members are overwhelmingly pro-JC, won't the Conference be also?SouthamObserver said:
As things stand, it means that they will happen. But until the conference vote actually happens and the measure is approved nothing is certain. Corbyn is fighting tooth and nail to prevent it and Len McCluskey is by his side.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Observer, can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.
Does that mean the Scottish and Welsh NEC members will happen, or not?
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Mr. Jessop, I try to follow accounts or have people in lists who don't share my views.
It doesn't always work. For reasons that are mysterious, one such chap (very lefty) blocked me for no apparent reason.0 -
Last week Bornstein laughed when he mentioned Trump’s mental health: “His mental health is excellent. He thinks he’s the best.”Robert_Of_Sheffield said:
But can we trust the medical information Hillary has released?619 said:
she has released pages of her medical information so thats a good place to start.Robert_Of_Sheffield said:
Her eyes allegedly move oddly, supposedly a sign of some underlying serious health condition which she is concealing.Gardenwalker said:
Dare I ask...what is the Hillary's eyes meme?
Do they turn bright red when she's crossed?
See, for example, http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/healthcare/297208-clintons-eyes-a-window-into-her-health-issues
Does anyone here have enough medical knowledge to comment on the plausibility of this?
Quoting from that site again: "Clinton's physician reported that she was placed on Coumadin (a blood thinner) to dissolve the blood clot. Actually, that is incorrect, because Coumadin has no effect on an existing clot. It serves only to decrease the chance of further clotting occurring Clinton's physician has also reported that on follow up exam, the clot had resolved. That is surprising since the majority of such clots do not dissolve. The way it was documented that the clot had resolved has not been reported."
If that claim about Coumadin is accurate, Clinton's doctor must have given false information.
http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2016/08/bornstein-trump-linguistics/497840/0 -
I missed, in that long diatribe, the justification for dumping shit at the house of an elderly couple.Casino_Royale said:
Anyone who has to invoke Leopold II to justify their behaviour is scratching around for an excuse.Dromedary said:
If you stopped spitting ("manic", "loathing", "hard left"), you could find out some of what it is that people have against her. Start by looking at how her family demolition business, in which she used to be a director, operates. Then look at how she has claimed as her great inspiration William Lever. She calls him "the Merseyside soap baron who became one of the greatest philanthropists". Also known as Lord Leverhulme, the guy ran a private slave-based regime in Congo under the wing of Leopold II of Belgium. The population got reduced by half. This is described in the book Lord Leverhulme's Ghosts: Colonial Exploitation in the Congo. At the DWP she was Minister for Employment, That job normally comes with a health and safety role, namely responsibility for the Health and Safety Executive. But given her family firm's terrible record in health and safety, she got banned from having any responsibilities in that area after the Chartered Institute of Environmental Health wrote to David Cameron to tell them about her. Maybe they are all hard maniacs from the rabid left-handed brigade of misogynistic loathers.Sean_F said:I don't know what Esther McVey has done to incur the manic loathing of the hard left.
Maybe that's because there is no justification,as dumping shit is criminal damage, not political discourse.0 -
Just a couple of steps until they are institutionalised. Soon the SNP will be talking down independence and talking some nebulous form of "more freedoms". The civil service always get their way.Pulpstar said:http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/714094/Scottish-MPs-claim-500k-of-taxpayers-money-business-flights-natalie-mcGarry
SNP MPs getting a taste for the high life.
Other notable business-class travellers included Mhairi Black, who once claimed Westminster had a "sense of entitlement that still oozes out of the pores of this discredited institution".
Lol.0 -
Someone mentioned John Peel FPT.MaxPB said:
Society in general I would say, Mr Jessop.JosiasJessop said:
No, twitter's obviously *the* source, given the number of links posted from it.not_on_fire said:
So just to be clear, not a single TV station or newspaper is trustworthy in your world. They're ALL biased.PlatoSaid said:
TBH, I don't place any faith in the US media at all, and even less in the UK media re Trump. The bias against him is painful.Dromedary said:
Which would win it for the other.Sandpit said:I wonder how much either candidate can gain from the debates, although maybe there's a low bar of expectation from them both. They've both got a lot to lose though, one slip of the tongue could sink their campaign.
There isn't symmetry. Shocks favour Trump. This makes it like Brexit.
Predictions about the TV "debate" are of little value if they come from journalists who don't mention the fake world of wrestling. Here is how Trump is seen to "stand up to pressure" in that environment:
ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHwypvDvuFY?t=01m20s
It's like watching Soubry commenting on Brexit voters.
The only source of the truth is the right wing news sites and columnist you constantly copy and paste.
Is that correct? Does it not cross your mind that this bias is actually because what you believe to be true is not consistent with reality?
And that's a problem: the very way Twitter works means that you end up getting views from people you generally agree with, which is why phrases such as : "My twitter feed is alive with ..." are meaningless.
People who bathe themselves in views on Twitter are only going to get self-assurance. They're not seeking anyone to challenge their views.
Twitter is poison for political debate.
To paraphrase "Everyone I know has a copy of this album! No, you know everyone with a copy"0 -
Morning all
I always find it strange that forecasts by economists are always praised when they show what the reader wants to see and derided when they don't.
Anyway, other matters. The debate for the US election will be fascinating - I won't be watching it as I have work and a life - and I expect to wake tomorrow to both sides trumpeting to anyone left who cares that their candidate won it hands down. The search for impartial analysis on the debate will be futile - I suppose I'll have to end up watching it and forming my own view.
It's probably long overdue we had a purge of commentators, analysts, pundits and people with nothing better to do than be paid to share their opinions with the world.
Closer to home - the re-coronation of Jeremy Corbyn has left some in the pit of despair while others cavort on the seas of hubris. Southam's piece yesterday was excellent (now I would pay for his opinions but not very much). There were thankfully a few on here yesterday who recognised the need for coherent Opposition and indeed wished the Labour Party well while others wanted it to die and then drive a stake through its heart.
As I've often said, politics doesn't work that way and nature abhors a vacuum. The notion any Party "tent" can be so large as to encompass both itself and its opposition is fanciful. There will come a point when the internal tensions will cause the tent to collapse. Both the Thatcher and Blair voting coalitions fell apart in the end as will the Cameron bloc.
The central conundrum to Brexit to this observer is single market vs freedom of movement. They appear mutually exclusive and I can understand the EU wanting them to remain so otherwise what would be the point of the whole organisation ? Given that's the EU's "red line" (or one of them), what's ours ? I've assumed ending freedom of movement carries more weight than continued membership of the single market.0 -
Was it Han Dodges ?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Jessop, I try to follow accounts or have people in lists who don't share my views.
It doesn't always work. For reasons that are mysterious, one such chap (very lefty) blocked me for no apparent reason.0 -
That is because you are undoubtedly a sensible chap. It may also help that your particular area of interest is rather before the era of Twitter.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Jessop, I try to follow accounts or have people in lists who don't share my views.
It doesn't always work. For reasons that are mysterious, one such chap (very lefty) blocked me for no apparent reason. 0 -
Re Charlotte Leslie, her parents had cars damaged.
http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/vandals-wreck-bristol-mp-candidate-charlotte/story-26425029-detail/story.html
http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/vandals-drilled-oil-tank-attack-bristol-mp/story-26443808-detail/story.html
The slogan Fracking Whore appeared on her constituency office in Jan 2015, words which the BBC airbrushed out.
No-one appears to have been charged.0 -
The gang of 1984 are at the Labour conference I believe.MaxPB said:So any word on the gang of 84?
There was no gang of 84 as I explained last night, just people on Twitter being mischievous (shock).0 -
I've probably a couple of dozen or more I follow that are my polar opposites on several topics - it's a great way to understand what annoys them/what they're passionate about.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Jessop, I try to follow accounts or have people in lists who don't share my views.
It doesn't always work. For reasons that are mysterious, one such chap (very lefty) blocked me for no apparent reason.
Twitter is what you make of it. If you choose to create an echo chamber - you'll get an echo chamber.0 -
The only time SNP MPs turn left is when they get on a a plane...Pulpstar said:http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/714094/Scottish-MPs-claim-500k-of-taxpayers-money-business-flights-natalie-mcGarry
SNP MPs getting a taste for the high life.
Other notable business-class travellers included Mhairi Black, who once claimed Westminster had a "sense of entitlement that still oozes out of the pores of this discredited institution".
Lol.0 -
It reminds me of a story (*) from a few decades ago. A farmer had been refused planning permission, so one summer's day he drives down to the council offices with a muck spreader and sprays muck through the open windows. Inside, the offices are covered in excrement.Sandpit said:
I missed, in that long diatribe, the justification for dumping shit at the house of an elderly couple.Casino_Royale said:
Anyone who has to invoke Leopold II to justify their behaviour is scratching around for an excuse.Dromedary said:
If you stopped spitting ("manic", "loathing", "hard left"), you could find out some of what it is that people have against her. Start by looking at how her family demolition business, in which she used to be a director, operates. Then look at how she has claimed as her great inspiration William Lever. She calls him "the Merseyside soap baron who became one of the greatest philanthropists". Also known as Lord Leverhulme, the guy ran a private slave-based regime in Congo under the wing of Leopold II of Belgium. The population got reduced by half. This is described in the book Lord Leverhulme's Ghosts: Colonial Exploitation in the Congo. At the DWP she was Minister for Employment, That job normally comes with a health and safety role, namely responsibility for the Health and Safety Executive. But given her family firm's terrible record in health and safety, she got banned from having any responsibilities in that area after the Chartered Institute of Environmental Health wrote to David Cameron to tell them about her. Maybe they are all hard maniacs from the rabid left-handed brigade of misogynistic loathers.Sean_F said:I don't know what Esther McVey has done to incur the manic loathing of the hard left.
Maybe that's because there is no justification,as dumping shit is criminal damage, not political discourse.
Except he got the wrong building ....
(*) I think from Stephen Pile's 'Book of Heroic Failures'0 -
Mr. Pulpstar, way leftier.
Remember the chap whose tweet about the EU being the 'largest economy in the world by far'? That's the fellow.
I had a few perfectly civil back and forths with him about things (mostly whether videogames could have good stories. I think he's one of those chaps who doesn't actually play them but does like to judge them), then got blocked for no apparent reason.0 -
For our Welsh Scrabble fans
https://medium.com/@1ngi/what-a-stupid-scrabble-article-taught-me-about-welsh-bc4f315490c9#.kpvkyos2o0 -
Stalin on the other hand..Casino_Royale said:
Anyone who has to invoke Leopold II to justify their behaviour is scratching around for an excuse.Dromedary said:
If you stopped spitting ("manic", "loathing", "hard left"), you could find out some of what it is that people have against her. Start by looking at how her family demolition business, in which she used to be a director, operates. Then look at how she has claimed as her great inspiration William Lever. She calls him "the Merseyside soap baron who became one of the greatest philanthropists". Also known as Lord Leverhulme, the guy ran a private slave-based regime in Congo under the wing of Leopold II of Belgium. The population got reduced by half. This is described in the book Lord Leverhulme's Ghosts: Colonial Exploitation in the Congo. At the DWP she was Minister for Employment, That job normally comes with a health and safety role, namely responsibility for the Health and Safety Executive. But given her family firm's terrible record in health and safety, she got banned from having any responsibilities in that area after the Chartered Institute of Environmental Health wrote to David Cameron to tell them about her. Maybe they are all hard maniacs from the rabid left-handed brigade of misogynistic loathers.Sean_F said:I don't know what Esther McVey has done to incur the manic loathing of the hard left.
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In the successor seat(s) to Portsmouth South, that could seriously imperil the Conservatives' chances at the next election. Since it looks to be a one-off with no real impact outside of the city, so it's hardly something for the Conservatives here to celebrate.Moses_ said:
There are just not going to be enough poster boards for the Tories at the next election.tlg86 said:
Okay, so she's a nobody from Portsmouth (significant), but this is quite damning:PlatoSaid said:Jessica Parker
Calls for a new breakaway party from @John_Ferrett as the #Portsmouth #Labour group leader quits @UKLabour. Here's his resignation letter https://t.co/xRLUvhM3zN
I cannot advocate to voters that they elect a Labour Government with Jeremy Corbyn at the helm. Indeed, I would be morally obliged to campaign against any administration that included Corbyn and John McDonnell, given my belief that they would seriously imperil our nation's national security if ever given the reins of power.0 -
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Cllr Ferrett's notoriety bridges the Atlantic....PlatoSaid said:0 -
Splendid stuff, I had not previously seen that 'John McTernan, a former Blair adviser and a persistent Corbyn critic, on Wednesday called him "the most woeful, the most useless, the most dangerous and the most unpleasant leader the Labour Party has ever had in its history."'PlatoSaid said:0 -
Cheers. I am pretty sure something will go wrong, though. It always does!Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Observer, hope it works out.
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I once had a hard-leftie friend who called me "One of only two public school boys he had as friends."
When asked how many public school boys he knew, he answered: "two." 0 -
So far it seems to be councillors and parliamentary candidates resigning and urging the MPs to become a gangbrokenwheel said:
The gang of 1984 are at the Labour conference I believe.MaxPB said:So any word on the gang of 84?
There was no gang of 84 as I explained last night, just people on Twitter being mischievous (shock).0 -
Mr. Observer, sounds like my F1 weekend tips this year
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Going back to my piece yesterday. Anybody in Labour who seeks to defend John McDonnell's comments about Esther McVey, or who fails to condemn them when asked, is lost forever. Anyone who does say that they were disgusting and despicable can be redeemed.0
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It's only 0938, and I've face ache already - again. Still all the laughter is burning off popcorn calories.Ishmael_X said:
Splendid stuff, I had not previously seen that 'John McTernan, a former Blair adviser and a persistent Corbyn critic, on Wednesday called him "the most woeful, the most useless, the most dangerous and the most unpleasant leader the Labour Party has ever had in its history."'PlatoSaid said:0 -
As we are in the mid-morning lull when people actually do some work, I will exercise a personal prejudice.
One piquant side effect of the election of Jeremy Corbyn has been the quandary of those actors, comedians and other members of the liberal/left elite, often subsisting on the modern day version of outdoor relief at the BBC, who have been able to arrogate to themselves an aura of virtue, insight and understanding without the intelligence, hard work and self-sacrifice traditionally associated with those attributes.
Hitherto they have been able to develop this aesthetic by wearing scruffy jumpers, crumpled linen jackets, faded denims and loosely tied deck shoes and utter a few well-placed diatribes against brexiteers, Daily Mail readers and Tories, together with a self-effacing, modest declaration of support for the Labour party.
This neat trick has allowed these red carpet anti-capitalists to continue in their scramble for money, indulge in shameless nepotism and place their children in good schools more or less uncriticised.
But now their bluff has been called by the red brigade who regard Corbyn as a middle-of–the-road political moderate. A truly socialist Labour Party will threaten their life-style and their nice houses in London and second homes in the country. What now? Saying, “Hey! I’m a normal Labour kind of guy, just like you” will not do.0 -
Well I guess the Blairite tradition of making sure that the Labour Conference never gets to vote on anything meaningful is still being kept alive, at least.Wulfrun_Phil said:
It would require the conference to reject, in full, the entire wide ranging package of changes to the rule book put forward by the NEC. That's because the Conference Arrangements Committee has ruled that the package be voted on as a whole (including changes such as guaranteeing a party leader a presence on the ballot in the event of a future leadership challenge). It would be exceptional for that sort of thing to happen, which must make it unlikely. If the far left could pull it off, they really could be considered to be on the march, but otherwise they are going to go two down on the NEC.IanB2 said:
If (all sections of) the members are overwhelmingly pro-JC, won't the Conference be also?SouthamObserver said:
As things stand, it means that they will happen. But until the conference vote actually happens and the measure is approved nothing is certain. Corbyn is fighting tooth and nail to prevent it and Len McCluskey is by his side.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Observer, can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.
Does that mean the Scottish and Welsh NEC members will happen, or not?0 -
It could not be more meaningful. If it goes through then Corbyn's ability to rewrite rules on reselection and leadership nominations will be severely curtailed. That's why he is fighting so hard against it.IanB2 said:
Well I guess the Blairite tradition of making sure that the Labour Conference never gets to vote on anything meaningful is still being kept alive, at least.Wulfrun_Phil said:
It would require the conference to reject, in full, the entire wide ranging package of changes to the rule book put forward by the NEC. That's because the Conference Arrangements Committee has ruled that the package be voted on as a whole (including changes such as guaranteeing a party leader a presence on the ballot in the event of a future leadership challenge). It would be exceptional for that sort of thing to happen, which must make it unlikely. If the far left could pull it off, they really could be considered to be on the march, but otherwise they are going to go two down on the NEC.IanB2 said:
If (all sections of) the members are overwhelmingly pro-JC, won't the Conference be also?SouthamObserver said:
As things stand, it means that they will happen. But until the conference vote actually happens and the measure is approved nothing is certain. Corbyn is fighting tooth and nail to prevent it and Len McCluskey is by his side.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Observer, can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.
Does that mean the Scottish and Welsh NEC members will happen, or not?
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As someone involved in David Miliband's leadership campaign, communications director for Julia Gillard, chief of staff to Jim Murphy and some time advisor to Kezia Dugdale, McTernan certainly know his stuff on uselessness. He's even got his own twitter hashtag, #mcternanpredicts.Ishmael_X said:
Splendid stuff, I had not previously seen that 'John McTernan, a former Blair adviser and a persistent Corbyn critic, on Wednesday called him "the most woeful, the most useless, the most dangerous and the most unpleasant leader the Labour Party has ever had in its history."'PlatoSaid said:
e.g.
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It is getting to the point where if you remain in the labour party, you risk now being tainted with these guys, and what outfits like Momentum stand for.SouthamObserver said:Going back to my piece yesterday. Anybody in Labour who seeks to defend John McDonnell's comments about Esther McVey, or who fails to condemn them when asked, is lost forever. Anyone who does say that they were disgusting and despicable can be redeemed.
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John Peel, someone I once admired until the facts on his interest in under age girls was exposed.PlatoSaid said:
Someone mentioned John Peel FPT.MaxPB said:
Society in general I would say, Mr Jessop.JosiasJessop said:
No, twitter's obviously *the* source, given the number of links posted from it.not_on_fire said:
So just to be clear, not a single TV station or newspaper is trustworthy in your world. They're ALL biased.PlatoSaid said:
TBH, I don't place any faith in the US media at all, and even less in the UK media re Trump. The bias against him is painful.Dromedary said:
Which would win it for the other.Sandpit said:I wonder how much either candidate can gain from the debates, although maybe there's a low bar of expectation from them both. They've both got a lot to lose though, one slip of the tongue could sink their campaign.
There isn't symmetry. Shocks favour Trump. This makes it like Brexit.
Predictions about the TV "debate" are of little value if they come from journalists who don't mention the fake world of wrestling. Here is how Trump is seen to "stand up to pressure" in that environment:
ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHwypvDvuFY?t=01m20s
It's like watching Soubry commenting on Brexit voters.
The only source of the truth is the right wing news sites and columnist you constantly copy and paste.
Is that correct? Does it not cross your mind that this bias is actually because what you believe to be true is not consistent with reality?
And that's a problem: the very way Twitter works means that you end up getting views from people you generally agree with, which is why phrases such as : "My twitter feed is alive with ..." are meaningless.
People who bathe themselves in views on Twitter are only going to get self-assurance. They're not seeking anyone to challenge their views.
Twitter is poison for political debate.
To paraphrase "Everyone I know has a copy of this album! No, you know everyone with a copy"
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Labour will ban fracking.
Might be a mature industry by the time Labour get near power.0 -
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"Asked by a reporter at the RNC about the divisions and chaos in the Republican party, Newt Gingrich joked: "Well we're much better off than the British Labour Party.""0 -
Corbyn to have another go (his fourth) to block NEC seat for Scot and Welsh leaders at 7.30am NEC meeting tmrw morning ahead of conf vote0
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Good on you for saying thatSouthamObserver said:Going back to my piece yesterday. Anybody in Labour who seeks to defend John McDonnell's comments about Esther McVey, or who fails to condemn them when asked, is lost forever. Anyone who does say that they were disgusting and despicable can be redeemed.
There is no place for political violence or intimidation in UK politics. Robust debate, certainly, but the antics against McVey, Charlotte Leslie and now some moderate Labour MPs are just not acceptable.0 -
Of course - but as WP says, they wont get to vote on it, but on a whole package that includes things they want as well. So the good labour tradition of conference-fixing lives on...SouthamObserver said:
It could not be more meaningful. If it goes through then Corbyn's ability to rewrite rules on reselection and leadership nominations will be severely curtailed. That's why he is fighting so hard against it.IanB2 said:
Well I guess the Blairite tradition of making sure that the Labour Conference never gets to vote on anything meaningful is still being kept alive, at least.Wulfrun_Phil said:
It would require the conference to reject, in full, the entire wide ranging package of changes to the rule book put forward by the NEC. That's because the Conference Arrangements Committee has ruled that the package be voted on as a whole (including changes such as guaranteeing a party leader a presence on the ballot in the event of a future leadership challenge). It would be exceptional for that sort of thing to happen, which must make it unlikely. If the far left could pull it off, they really could be considered to be on the march, but otherwise they are going to go two down on the NEC.IanB2 said:
If (all sections of) the members are overwhelmingly pro-JC, won't the Conference be also?SouthamObserver said:
As things stand, it means that they will happen. But until the conference vote actually happens and the measure is approved nothing is certain. Corbyn is fighting tooth and nail to prevent it and Len McCluskey is by his side.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Observer, can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.
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Lol.
The only time SNP MPs turn left is when they get on a a plane...
ExcellentScott_P said:
The only time SNP MPs turn left is when they get on a a plane...Pulpstar said:http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/714094/Scottish-MPs-claim-500k-of-taxpayers-money-business-flights-natalie-mcGarry
SNP MPs getting a taste for the high life.
Other notable business-class travellers included Mhairi Black, who once claimed Westminster had a "sense of entitlement that still oozes out of the pores of this discredited institution".
Lol.
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Saw a great mocking tweet earlier taking the piss out of Caprio and Obama wittering about climate change - when their own behaviour is the carbon footprint of several small countries.frpenkridge said:As we are in the mid-morning lull when people actually do some work, I will exercise a personal prejudice.
One piquant side effect of the election of Jeremy Corbyn has been the quandary of those actors, comedians and other members of the liberal/left elite, often subsisting on the modern day version of outdoor relief at the BBC, who have been able to arrogate to themselves an aura of virtue, insight and understanding without the intelligence, hard work and self-sacrifice traditionally associated with those attributes.
Hitherto they have been able to develop this aesthetic by wearing scruffy jumpers, crumpled linen jackets, faded denims and loosely tied deck shoes and utter a few well-placed diatribes against brexiteers, Daily Mail readers and Tories, together with a self-effacing, modest declaration of support for the Labour party.
This neat trick has allowed these red carpet anti-capitalists to continue in their scramble for money, indulge in shameless nepotism and place their children in good schools more or less uncriticised.
But now their bluff has been called by the red brigade who regard Corbyn as a middle-of–the-road political moderate. A truly socialist Labour Party will threaten their life-style and their nice houses in London and second homes in the country. What now? Saying, “Hey! I’m a normal Labour kind of guy, just like you” will not do.
Like Al Gore and his giant house that was jokingly visible from space.0 -
Slightly more tension in the Far East:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-37469983
I do wonder if Japan will properly tool up, given the increasingly military nature of China (and North Korea, of course).
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Down the road, Momentum is holding its own conference. Nothing says party unity like one wing having a shadow jamboree in the same city.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/miliband-fans-gather-to-recall-the-good-old-days-z9fvg7mmh0 -
Al Gore never did understand the critism he got for hosting 100 leaders, travelling on 100 planes to some nice island for a summit of pontification about carbon emissions.PlatoSaid said:
Saw a great mocking tweet earlier taking the piss out of Caprio and Obama wittering about climate change - when their own behaviour is the carbon footprint of several small countries.frpenkridge said:As we are in the mid-morning lull when people actually do some work, I will exercise a personal prejudice.
One piquant side effect of the election of Jeremy Corbyn has been the quandary of those actors, comedians and other members of the liberal/left elite, often subsisting on the modern day version of outdoor relief at the BBC, who have been able to arrogate to themselves an aura of virtue, insight and understanding without the intelligence, hard work and self-sacrifice traditionally associated with those attributes.
Hitherto they have been able to develop this aesthetic by wearing scruffy jumpers, crumpled linen jackets, faded denims and loosely tied deck shoes and utter a few well-placed diatribes against brexiteers, Daily Mail readers and Tories, together with a self-effacing, modest declaration of support for the Labour party.
This neat trick has allowed these red carpet anti-capitalists to continue in their scramble for money, indulge in shameless nepotism and place their children in good schools more or less uncriticised.
But now their bluff has been called by the red brigade who regard Corbyn as a middle-of–the-road political moderate. A truly socialist Labour Party will threaten their life-style and their nice houses in London and second homes in the country. What now? Saying, “Hey! I’m a normal Labour kind of guy, just like you” will not do.
Like Al Gore and his giant house that was jokingly visible from space.
Hint: Next time, they should get Cisco Telepresence to sponsor it, a showcase for this new found internet thingy.0 -
The most absurd thing I heard this morning from McDonnell, amongst many, was him talking about how Labour wanted to work with entrepreneurs. Maybe I know the wrong people, but I think entrepreneurs and business people would run a mile from a Labour government with McDonnell and Corbyn at the helm.TGOHF said:
Should imagine the printing press, the micro chip and the gramophone may be under threat too as they are a danger to traditional working class jobs.dr_spyn said:Labour will ban fracking.
Might be a mature industry by the time Labour get near power.
Listening to him I thought that in his own way McDonnell is every bit as crackers as Corbyn. It's like they don't share the same reality as most other politicians.0 -
Arnold Palmer: gods gift to golf has gone to his rest. All golfers and lovers of the sport will mourn today.0
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The "snowbirds" will have left New York for Florida by Nov 8th. They will be predominantly Democrat. Does anyone know whether the Florida polls take this into account?0
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Last night I chanced online upon an article by Michael Deacon, The Daily Telegraph's political sketchwriter, about Jeremy Corbyn's habit of incessant sniffing, despite his not having the least suspicion of a cold nor other obvious medical explanation for this .... and what it might possibly mean from a psychological point of view.
I made a mental note to return later and read the piece more fully. When I attempted to do so during the early hours, I was surprised to discover that it had totally disappeared, even a number of varying Google searches failed to discover any trace of it.
I still imagined that it might appear in this morning's hard copy of the newspaper, but no such luck.
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But then, they got serious and installed Blair. Chances of that happening again? Close to nil....Sandpit said:0 -
Mr. Putney, that does sound quite peculiar.0
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This one?peter_from_putney said:Last night I chanced online upon an article by Michael Deacon, The Daily Telegraph's political sketchwriter, about Jeremy Corbyn's habit of incessant sniffing, despite his not having the least suspicion of a cold nor other obvious medical explanation for this .... and what it might possibly mean from a psychological point of view.
I made a mental note to return later and read the piece more fully. When I attempted to do so during the early hours, I was surprised to discover that it had totally disappeared, even a number of varying Google searches failed to discover any trace of it.
I still imagined that it might appear in this morning's hard copy of the newspaper, but no such luck.
How bloody odd!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/25/did-you-vote-for-brexit-jeremy-corbyn-v-owen-smith-their-bittere/
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Given Al Gore invented teh interwebs - it really was a missed opportunity.Sandpit said:
Al Gore never did understand the critism he got for hosting 100 leaders, travelling on 100 planes to some nice island for a summit of pontification about carbon emissions.PlatoSaid said:
Saw a great mocking tweet earlier taking the piss out of Caprio and Obama wittering about climate change - when their own behaviour is the carbon footprint of several small countries.frpenkridge said:As we are in the mid-morning lull when people actually do some work, I will exercise a personal prejudice.
One piquant side effect of the election of Jeremy Corbyn has been the quandary of those actors, comedians and other members of the liberal/left elite, often subsisting on the modern day version of outdoor relief at the BBC, who have been able to arrogate to themselves an aura of virtue, insight and understanding without the intelligence, hard work and self-sacrifice traditionally associated with those attributes.
Hitherto they have been able to develop this aesthetic by wearing scruffy jumpers, crumpled linen jackets, faded denims and loosely tied deck shoes and utter a few well-placed diatribes against brexiteers, Daily Mail readers and Tories, together with a self-effacing, modest declaration of support for the Labour party.
This neat trick has allowed these red carpet anti-capitalists to continue in their scramble for money, indulge in shameless nepotism and place their children in good schools more or less uncriticised.
But now their bluff has been called by the red brigade who regard Corbyn as a middle-of–the-road political moderate. A truly socialist Labour Party will threaten their life-style and their nice houses in London and second homes in the country. What now? Saying, “Hey! I’m a normal Labour kind of guy, just like you” will not do.
Like Al Gore and his giant house that was jokingly visible from space.
Hint: Next time, they should get Cisco Telepresence to sponsor it, a showcase for this new found internet thingy.
I was very depressed over Hopenhagen media cobblers - and then we got the still anonymous brave soul who leaked ClimateGate emails. I spent days reading them and sharing - appalling manipulation of data and peer group freezing out.
Nothing broke my trust in science as that did.0 -
Miss Plato, point of order: science is great. Scientists, however, are only human. Some make mistakes, and some are rapscallions.
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I see the ASA is likely to rule that Friends of the Earth anti-fracking claims lack any evidentiary basis:dr_spyn said:Labour will ban fracking.
Might be a mature industry by the time Labour get near power.
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Are rapscallions hip-hop spring onions?Morris_Dancer said:Miss Plato, point of order: science is great. Scientists, however, are only human. Some make mistakes, and some are rapscallions.
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As ever, go with the evidence not the people.Morris_Dancer said:Miss Plato, point of order: science is great. Scientists, however, are only human. Some make mistakes, and some are rapscallions.
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By entrepreneurs, McDonnell probably means people seeking to open vegan cafes, New Age therapy centres, lentil bulk-buying cooperatives and all sorts of no-hoper ideas that will be funded with public money (as long as the "entrepreneurs" are on-message politically).glw said:
The most absurd thing I heard this morning from McDonnell, amongst many, was him talking about how Labour wanted to work with entrepreneurs. Maybe I know the wrong people, but I think entrepreneurs and business people would run a mile from a Labour government with McDonnell and Corbyn at the helm.TGOHF said:
Should imagine the printing press, the micro chip and the gramophone may be under threat too as they are a danger to traditional working class jobs.dr_spyn said:Labour will ban fracking.
Might be a mature industry by the time Labour get near power.
Listening to him I thought that in his own way McDonnell is every bit as crackers as Corbyn. It's like they don't share the same reality as most other politicians.
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Good morning. What happened to the embargoed Labour letter?0
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Steve Caunt @stephencauntPlatoSaid said:Shocking
Economists at @hmtreasury have reversed their downgrades and now expect growth of 1.8pc - exactly the same as they predicted before the vote https://t.co/wH3sJNK3Rr
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Mr. Mark, this isn't really my area, but I gather hip-hop and rap are not the same sort of thing.
Mr. Evershed, quite. Evidence leads to conclusion, that's the scientific, a posteriori way. To have a firm conclusion in mind and collecting helpful evidence to back up a pre-determined opinion is the way of Creationism.
Mr. B, good to know.0 -
McCluskey railing against fixing conference votes? That's a new one to me.IanB2 said:
Of course - but as WP says, they wont get to vote on it, but on a whole package that includes things they want as well. So the good labour tradition of conference-fixing lives on...SouthamObserver said:
It could not be more meaningful. If it goes through then Corbyn's ability to rewrite rules on reselection and leadership nominations will be severely curtailed. That's why he is fighting so hard against it.IanB2 said:
Well I guess the Blairite tradition of making sure that the Labour Conference never gets to vote on anything meaningful is still being kept alive, at least.Wulfrun_Phil said:
It would require the conference to reject, in full, the entire wide ranging package of changes to the rule book put forward by the NEC. That's because the Conference Arrangements Committee has ruled that the package be voted on as a whole (including changes such as guaranteeing a party leader a presence on the ballot in the event of a future leadership challenge). It would be exceptional for that sort of thing to happen, which must make it unlikely. If the far left could pull it off, they really could be considered to be on the march, but otherwise they are going to go two down on the NEC.IanB2 said:
If (all sections of) the members are overwhelmingly pro-JC, won't the Conference be also?SouthamObserver said:
As things stand, it means that they will happen. But until the conference vote actually happens and the measure is approved nothing is certain. Corbyn is fighting tooth and nail to prevent it and Len McCluskey is by his side.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Observer, can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.
Does that mean the Scottish and Welsh NEC members will happen, or not?
It's not even a fix either. Just a vote on a package of changes, which is the norm for rule changes put forward by the NEC to conference, requiring them to choose whether on balance they approve or not. The far left will not approve of course, because the name of the game to Corbyn/McDonnell/Momentum is control of the NEC and that trumps anything else. What is irking them is that others will take a less factional approach and look on the changes on their overall merits, which is probably why they will go through.0 -
Danny Fink
Matthew, when we Jews finally get to organising our conspiracy, I don't think the plan is to start with Tim Farron's leadership campaign. https://t.co/zMkSCs0S1m
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MarqueeMark said:
Are rapscallions hip-hop spring onions?Morris_Dancer said:Miss Plato, point of order: science is great. Scientists, however, are only human. Some make mistakes, and some are rapscallions.
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What is this about ?PlatoSaid said:Danny Fink
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The smile will come off when the negotiations really get underway.nunu said:
Steve Caunt @stephencauntPlatoSaid said:Shocking
Economists at @hmtreasury have reversed their downgrades and now expect growth of 1.8pc - exactly the same as they predicted before the vote https://t.co/wH3sJNK3Rr
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Who decides what research gets done and what spin is put on it, with a view to doing what research in future? "Evidence" or people who give out or get big-money grants?David_Evershed said:
As ever, go with the evidence not the people.Morris_Dancer said:Miss Plato, point of order: science is great. Scientists, however, are only human. Some make mistakes, and some are rapscallions.
There used to be ice fairs on the Thames, until the climate warmed up so much that they couldn't be held any more. That was before industry. The climate has always changed and it always will. It's natural for it to change. The bought-and-paid-for "knowledgists", or "scientists" to use the Latinate term, haven't got much of a clue why. As for stopping the climate changing, if that isn't an insane anti-nature aim (for some clothed apes with their necks wound right out) then I don't know what is.0 -
19th times the charmsurbiton said:
The smile will come off when the negotiations really get underway.nunu said:
Steve Caunt @stephencauntPlatoSaid said:Shocking
Economists at @hmtreasury have reversed their downgrades and now expect growth of 1.8pc - exactly the same as they predicted before the vote https://t.co/wH3sJNK3Rr
.@BrexitCentral @hmtreasury Guess I'll be £4300 better off than I would have been then! @George_Osborne0 -
@GuardianAnushka: Labour's NEC signed off Corbyn's 10 point policy plan, including universal childcare, rent controls & "ending support for aggressive wars",0
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published and the guy resigned live on Radio Solent this morningwilliamglenn said:Good morning. What happened to the embargoed Labour letter?
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At least they know what they have to do. But you're right, today's Labour Party leadership don't appear to care about elections, except to their own NEC.MarqueeMark said:
But then, they got serious and installed Blair. Chances of that happening again? Close to nil....Sandpit said:
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Mr. P, only gentle wars under Labour.
Mr. Dromedary, quite agree. And centuries before the ice fairs we had warm periods. The climate has always and will always change.
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For starters McDonnell is promising to borrow an extra £350 billion over 5 years.SandraM said:By entrepreneurs, McDonnell probably means people seeking to open vegan cafes, New Age therapy centres, lentil bulk-buying cooperatives and all sorts of no-hoper ideas that will be funded with public money (as long as the "entrepreneurs" are on-message politically).
Collectively Labour want to prop up failing industries like steel, but ban industries that have growth potential like fracking, increase taxes even though they can't keep track of the current rates, nationalise whole sectors like the railways, ban private industry from other areas like health, and be more interventionist and oppose globalisation.
Their followers are even more extreme in many cases, considering profit making to be amongst the worst of sins.
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It's about idiots trying to be clever.surbiton said:
What is this about ?PlatoSaid said:Danny Fink
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The clear interaction between science and politics is the problem here, and it's not difficult to follow the money. The Climategate scientists would have been better off using their own private email server in someone's basement.PlatoSaid said:
Given Al Gore invented teh interwebs - it really was a missed opportunity.Sandpit said:
Al Gore never did understand the critism he got for hosting 100 leaders, travelling on 100 planes to some nice island for a summit of pontification about carbon emissions.PlatoSaid said:
Saw a great mocking tweet earlier taking the piss out of Caprio and Obama wittering about climate change - when their own behaviour is the carbon footprint of several small countries.frpenkridge said:As we are in the mid-morning lull when people actually do some work, I will exercise a personal prejudice.
One piquant side effect of the election of Jeremy Corbyn has been the quandary of those actors, comedians and other members of the liberal/left elite, often subsisting on the modern day version of outdoor relief at the BBC, who have been able to arrogate to themselves an aura of virtue, insight and understanding without the intelligence, hard work and self-sacrifice traditionally associated with those attributes.
Hitherto they have been able to develop this aesthetic by wearing scruffy jumpers, crumpled linen jackets, faded denims and loosely tied deck shoes and utter a few well-placed diatribes against brexiteers, Daily Mail readers and Tories, together with a self-effacing, modest declaration of support for the Labour party.
This neat trick has allowed these red carpet anti-capitalists to continue in their scramble for money, indulge in shameless nepotism and place their children in good schools more or less uncriticised.
But now their bluff has been called by the red brigade who regard Corbyn as a middle-of–the-road political moderate. A truly socialist Labour Party will threaten their life-style and their nice houses in London and second homes in the country. What now? Saying, “Hey! I’m a normal Labour kind of guy, just like you” will not do.
Like Al Gore and his giant house that was jokingly visible from space.
Hint: Next time, they should get Cisco Telepresence to sponsor it, a showcase for this new found internet thingy.
I was very depressed over Hopenhagen media cobblers - and then we got the still anonymous brave soul who leaked ClimateGate emails. I spent days reading them and sharing - appalling manipulation of data and peer group freezing out.
Nothing broke my trust in science as that did.
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Silly factoid. Palmer was still in the top 5 earning golfers every year, not because of course design or clubs or clothing...because of the iced tea brand he gave his name to.MikeK said:Arnold Palmer: gods gift to golf has gone to his rest. All golfers and lovers of the sport will mourn today.
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PlatoSaid said:
Given Al Gore invented teh interwebs - it really was a missed opportunity.Sandpit said:
Al Gore never did understand the critism he got for hosting 100 leaders, travelling on 100 planes to some nice island for a summit of pontification about carbon emissions.PlatoSaid said:
Saw a great mocking tweet earlier taking the piss out of Caprio and Obama wittering about climate change - when their own behaviour is the carbon footprint of several small countries.frpenkridge said:As we are in the mid-morning lull when people actually do some work, I will exercise a personal prejudice.
One piquant side effect of the election of Jeremy Corbyn has been the quandary of those actors, comedians and other members of the liberal/left elite, often subsisting on the modern day version of outdoor relief at the BBC, who have been able to arrogate to themselves an aura of virtue, insight and understanding without the intelligence, hard work and self-sacrifice traditionally associated with those attributes.
Hitherto they have been able to develop this aesthetic by wearing scruffy jumpers, crumpled linen jackets, faded denims and loosely tied deck shoes and utter a few well-placed diatribes against brexiteers, Daily Mail readers and Tories, together with a self-effacing, modest declaration of support for the Labour party.
This neat trick has allowed these red carpet anti-capitalists to continue in their scramble for money, indulge in shameless nepotism and place their children in good schools more or less uncriticised.
But now their bluff has been called by the red brigade who regard Corbyn as a middle-of–the-road political moderate. A truly socialist Labour Party will threaten their life-style and their nice houses in London and second homes in the country. What now? Saying, “Hey! I’m a normal Labour kind of guy, just like you” will not do.
Like Al Gore and his giant house that was jokingly visible from space.
Hint: Next time, they should get Cisco Telepresence to sponsor it, a showcase for this new found internet thingy.
I was very depressed over Hopenhagen media cobblers - and then we got the still anonymous brave soul who leaked ClimateGate emails. I spent days reading them and sharing - appalling manipulation of data and peer group freezing out.
Nothing broke my trust in science as that did.
The Internet was invented in the late 1960s, early 1970s in academic institutions, mainly in the USA.
The world wide web was invented by Tim Berners Lee at CERN, Switzerland, in the 1980s.
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Maybe the pinko cell at the Torygraph got up to some dirty work in the night.peter_from_putney said:Last night I chanced online upon an article by Michael Deacon, The Daily Telegraph's political sketchwriter, about Jeremy Corbyn's habit of incessant sniffing, despite his not having the least suspicion of a cold nor other obvious medical explanation for this .... and what it might possibly mean from a psychological point of view.
I made a mental note to return later and read the piece more fully. When I attempted to do so during the early hours, I was surprised to discover that it had totally disappeared, even a number of varying Google searches failed to discover any trace of it.
I still imagined that it might appear in this morning's hard copy of the newspaper, but no such luck.
How bloody odd!
If Jeremy Corbyn advocated policies you favoured, would his facial body language interest you so much?0 -
The current Labour leadership probably would have advocated appeasement with Hitler, in fact they may have proposed an alliance and started shipping British Jews to Germany for extermination.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. P, only gentle wars under Labour.
Mr. Dromedary, quite agree. And centuries before the ice fairs we had warm periods. The climate has always and will always change.
I also think there's much overlap when it comes to what people either side think we should do (more geothermal is good, energy efficiency is good etc etc).0
