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surbiton said:

JonathanD said:

Interesting. I could have sworn we were promised EEA membership by plenty of Brexiteers.

"Monday's FT: City fears Number 10 is shifting towards a 'hard' exit from EU"

https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/780126506882301952

Remember the line: we have a balance of payments deficit with them , therefore it is in their interest to offer us the single market.

Really ?

It in the interests of their manufacturing industry, our financial services industry, that does not contradict the headline. Goodnight

surbiton said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Scuttlebutt possibly.

https://twitter.com/CllrFitzpatrick/status/780168708933246976

I cannot immediately see who could that be. Has to be from a very safe seat.

If you look at her feed now, the reports are of 84 resignations

surbiton said:

JosiasJessop said:

surbiton said:

Moses_ said:

surbiton said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HurstLlama said:

@Big_G_NorthWales

"... only one party in the Country who will govern for all, protect us and respect and support our military ..."

Which party do you have in mind that will support our military? Surely not the one that has been in government for the last six years.

No other party will back the military better than the conservative party

Which party cut military strength the most ? Ans: Blue is the colour.

And.......Which party sends them to an illegal war without adequate kit and protection and 6 rounds each?

By a warmonger called Tony Bliar, s.o.b. Most Labour MPs unlike Tories voted against the war.

" Most Labour MPs unlike Tories voted against the war."

Really?

There were 139 Labour rebels on the amendment.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2862397.stm

Labour had 413 MPs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_election,_2001

Whilst *all* the Lib Dem MPs voted against.

You appear to be rewriting history somewhat.

How many Tories voted against the war ?

I believe the challenge arose because of your response to my original post about poor equipment and ammo supply by Labour to the troops. You stated most Labour MPs voted against the Iraq intervention. It matters not what the Tories did it matters a lot that your response was factually incorrect and remains so and uncorrected

As a poster up thread pointed out....be careful with Surbiton and actual facts.

Good night.

surbiton said:

oxfordsimon said:

surbiton said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Scuttlebutt possibly.

https://twitter.com/CllrFitzpatrick/status/780168708933246976

I cannot immediately see who could that be. Has to be from a very safe seat.

If you look at her feed now, the reports are of 84 resignations

Hoax ! She wants to make a name for herself.

No - that is coming from other sources, she is just commenting.

oxfordsimon said:

surbiton said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Scuttlebutt possibly.

https://twitter.com/CllrFitzpatrick/status/780168708933246976

I cannot immediately see who could that be. Has to be from a very safe seat.

If you look at her feed now, the reports are of 84 resignations

The feed has someone claiming their will be 84 resignations by tomorrow evening. Mmmmm.....Given the moderates were saying today they would remain and fight back it seems rather odd.

Def off now

MyBurningEars said:

HYUFD said:

oxfordsimon said:

Feels right to be rewatching this tonight:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIgiV8yn3xU

Corbyn appears at 18.27, along with Benn, Foot, Healey, Kinnock, Blair, Owen and Jenkins, essentially the same battles are still being fought again today only this time Corbyn is even more committed to a leftwing agenda than Foot

A very very angry (and uncredited - presumably the makers of the film didn't think it was worth captioning her?) Patricia Hewitt turns up as a conference delegate at about 24:20, absolutely ripping into Callaghan's record in government as not left-wing enough. If only she'd known what future Labour members would think of her role as a minister propping up the Blair regime!!

Not just her, Hodge made a similar journey from leftwinger to Blairite too

Moses_ said:

oxfordsimon said:

surbiton said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Scuttlebutt possibly.

https://twitter.com/CllrFitzpatrick/status/780168708933246976

I cannot immediately see who could that be. Has to be from a very safe seat.

If you look at her feed now, the reports are of 84 resignations

The feed has someone claiming their will be 84 resignations by tomorrow evening. Mmmmm.....Given the moderates were saying today they would remain and fight back it seems rather odd.

Def off now

Looking at the tweets there is no indication it is actually members of the PLP, the Corbynista is just editorialising there. Besides we know the PLP don't have a gonad between them. Probably just some councillors etc.

Tomorrow could be 26th March 1981 all over again if the rumours are true.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Democratic_Party_(UK)

Kim Wilde was number two in the charts with Kids In America:
http://www.officialcharts.com/charts/singles-chart/19810322/7501/

This is from the BBC's political editor for the south of England:

https://twitter.com/BBCPeterH/status/780068180156964864
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/correspondents/peterhenley

MikeL said:

If this is happening it seems quite likely that it might well include some Lab Peers.

Remember the PLP consists of MPs and Peers.

If this is serious it will include Lord Mandelson.

FrancisUrquhart said:

AndyJS said:

This is from the BBC's political editor for the south of England:

https://twitter.com/BBCPeterH/status/780068180156964864
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/correspondents/peterhenley

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x245/tobeuss/PopcornGiantBag.jpg~original

http://images.freeimages.com/images/premium/previews/2142/21429367-girl-buried-in-popcorn.jpg

Letters supposedly coming out at 0745

not_on_fire said:

Letters supposedly coming out at 0745

People on twitter are really dumb

https://twitter.com/groovy_julia/status/780173552284753920

Have to say I'm sceptical about a large bloc of the PLP forming a whole new party, as of tomorrow. Will believe it when I see it, they don't seem to have the gumption or the guts. Moreover, the kind of people who might be reasonable figureheads for such a movement seem very heavily invested in the Saving Labour/Labour First project.

Some councillors cutting up their membership cards? Sure. Some Lords going cross-bench or finding alternative activities outside parliament? Sure. The odd MP to defect to the Lib Dems? Reasonable. I wouldn't even be knocked out by a defection to Plaid or the Tories, would be thoroughly amused if one joins the Greens.

But if there are going to be en masse resignations of MPs, it seems to me most likely that they'd be leaving the PLP whip but possibly not resigning from the party as individuals. That would give them some scope and flexibility for what to do next. Quitting after only a year of Corbyn seems rather premature, moreover I'd be astonished if they'd already completed the groundwork for getting a new party up and running. The SDP took significant planning but was basically ready to go at a moment's notice once the work was done. It wasn't a secret that it had been in the works. I suppose this time it could have been plotted via email etc so no need for everyone to meet round somebody's flat... but with any significant numbers, it would have been a pain to keep everyone shtum, surely?

Peers far more likely than MPs as Peers have a job for life.

IF it really is 84 members of PLP (which I doubt) then I would imagine it'll be something like:

- 20 MPs
- 64 Peers

Remember four Lab Peers resigned from Lab last year:

Sugar
Adonis
Grabiner
Warner

And then Lord Mitchell resigned from Lab yesterday.

Another batch of Peers is entirely possible.

RobD said:

brokenwheel said:

RobD said:

AndyJS said:

Tomorrow could be 26th March 1981 all over again if the rumours are true.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Democratic_Party_(UK)

Kim Wilde was number two in the charts with Kids In America:
http://www.officialcharts.com/charts/singles-chart/19810322/7501/

https://twitter.com/Kleinmaischeid/status/780177659779252225

And in reply to whether they would be councillors or MPs, they answered "MPs".

That only comes from this tweeter, not the orginal local Beeb presenter. Judging by their other tweets they probably aren't in the know. Just usual twitter chinese whispers.

Except the BBC report said he had seen the letter?

Yes, the fact that a senior BBC reporter says he's seen a letter makes it all seem a lot more likely than otherwise.

I think SO would appreciate this one:

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/corbyn-announces-decommissioning-of-labour-party-20160924114312

JEREMY Corbyn has confirmed the Labour Party is to be dismantled, greased and put into storage.

Following his re-election, the Labour leader told members that continuing to run a party without any chance of achieving government was wasteful, expensive and bad for the environment, so it would be put away until a more optimistic electoral outcome could be achieved. ...

Unfair but quite funny, and I'm sure it captures the mood of 38% of Labour members and supporters.

He added: “Do not mourn for us for we are not dead. We are merely sleeping until you have need of us again.

“Good luck with all that stuff, by the way. I hope it goes well.”

Grim Reaper back from a short vacation....Arnold Palmer has died....

I'm sceptical about this:

https://twitter.com/SocialistVoice/status/780210665101426688

Rory wins the Tour Championship and Fedex Cup - on my hole and I was there to see it. Absolute thriller.

Then we heard of the death of Arnold Palmer. Sad news indeed.

AndyJS said:

Tomorrow could be 26th March 1981 all over again if the rumours are true.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Democratic_Party_(UK)

Kim Wilde was number two in the charts with Kids In America:
http://www.officialcharts.com/charts/singles-chart/19810322/7501/

And Shakin' Stevens was number 1!

SouthamObserver said:

Looks like there may be backtracking on the NEC seats for Scotland and Wales. If that happens the hard left will have taken Labour over completely. That will be my cue to go. There'll be no coming back. Once the NEC is gone, that's it.

I just knew Corbyn was going to dissolve the Council permanently.

Tim_B said:

Rory wins the Tour Championship and Fedex Cup - on my hole and I was there to see it. Absolute thriller.

Was brilliant.

Moore could have won it with an 8 foot putt on the 18th in regulation - lipped out.

Then Rory had an even shorter putt for eagle to win on the 1st extra hole - lipped out.

Rory looked in control throughout play-off but then he nearly lost it at 3rd extra hole.

Amazing that it went to your hole - did you wait out there throughout in case it did?

SouthamObserver said:

Looks like there may be backtracking on the NEC seats for Scotland and Wales. If that happens the hard left will have taken Labour over completely. That will be my cue to go. There'll be no coming back. Once the NEC is gone, that's it.

The head of the UK's biggest trade union has said Kezia Dugdale should not have the power to appoint Scotland's representative on Labour's ruling committee.
Unite general secretary Len McCluskey told BBC Scotland all representatives should be elected and not appointed

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-37468147

surbiton said:

JosiasJessop said:

surbiton said:

Moses_ said:

surbiton said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HurstLlama said:

@Big_G_NorthWales

"... only one party in the Country who will govern for all, protect us and respect and support our military ..."

Which party do you have in mind that will support our military? Surely not the one that has been in government for the last six years.

No other party will back the military better than the conservative party

Which party cut military strength the most ? Ans: Blue is the colour.

And.......Which party sends them to an illegal war without adequate kit and protection and 6 rounds each?

By a warmonger called Tony Bliar, s.o.b. Most Labour MPs unlike Tories voted against the war.

" Most Labour MPs unlike Tories voted against the war."

Really?

There were 139 Labour rebels on the amendment.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2862397.stm

Labour had 413 MPs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_election,_2001

Whilst *all* the Lib Dem MPs voted against.

You appear to be rewriting history somewhat.

How many Tories voted against the war ?

I think it was 15 against the amendment. But that's just a diversion from the fact that your original statement was wrong.