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I am married to the anaesthetist (here called an anesthesiologist - the MD, as an anesthetist is a nurse) so I never get to chose my surgeon, she does.Ishmael_X said:If you are mates with an anaesthetist at the hospital who is mates with the international superstar surgeon for the operation you want done, it can happen that you get sort of unofficially reallocated to that surgeon's NHS list. Allegedly.
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What about Naval shelling of Zeebrugge?foxinsoxuk said:
Try grammar schools. That usually works ;-)FrancisUrquhart said:Oh god what have I started with my quip about David of NJ trip to the ER....
AV, AV, PR, AV, PR^2, Latvian Homophobes, Waffen SS, Cameron spotted in Morrisons...anything something...distract, distract...0 -
No need for such subterfuge, just request it!Ishmael_X said:
If you are mates with an anaesthetist at the hospital who is mates with the international superstar surgeon for the operation you want done, it can happen that you get sort of unofficially reallocated to that surgeon's NHS list. Allegedly.Tim_B said:
I'd like to choose my own surgeon thanks.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
On the NHS you have a choice of 1, drawn from a pool of competent surgeons, which is all you need.Tim_B said:
Think of it like car insurers having approved repair centers. A real life example - my daughter on Obamacare needed her gall bladder removed. She had a choice of surgeons you could count on one hand. On my wife's policy the choice was almost 50.HurstLlama said:
Thanks for that Mr. T.. I have absolutely no idea what "in-network" means. However, if it is the difference between, to use your example, a maximum bill of $2,500 and an unlimited bill then I think something is very wrong.MTimT said:
My guess is that your gaming friend received his treatment 'out of network'. When you do that, your co-pay is increased (depends on the policy) and there is no absolute cap on your responsibilities.HurstLlama said:
Well, I for one don't understand the US Health system. A .FrancisUrquhart said:
I know...it was a joke.Tim_B said:
Doesn't matter - if you present at ER they have to treat you regardless of insurance. One reason the ER is such an expense to hospitals.FrancisUrquhart said:Suspect been shot and injured and being taken away in an ambulance. Police also been shot.
Hope his medical insurance is up to date....
I think a large percentage of British public think that they wouldn't see you at ER without them first swiping your credit card.
When my wife was diagnosed with cancer, we made sure all her providers were 'in-network' so her absolute cap is $2500. Which is just as well, as the chemo drugs came to around $20,000 per session.
If you want James Robertson Justice to do it personally because you think he is the best then you pay him.
Seems logical?
Indeed under the NHS it is your right under the NHS constitution:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-nhs-constitution-for-england/the-nhs-constitution-for-england0 -
Any reason we might consider her views more important than (say) yours?FrancisUrquhart said:“There is literally no excuse for what is going on there,” she said. “It’s shameful.
“And I’m very proud to be British, and think we do great things, and it is worth remembering that we are one of the biggest donor countries.
“But because of our inaction when it comes to 600 unaccompanied minors in Calais, it makes me ashamed to be British.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/19/it-makes-me-ashamed-to-be-british-carey-mulligan-slams-governmen/
No words of criticism for the French?0 -
The Zeebrugge raid was pretty ineffective, only closing the port for 24 hours.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
What about Naval shelling of Zeebrugge?foxinsoxuk said:
Try grammar schools. That usually works ;-)FrancisUrquhart said:Oh god what have I started with my quip about David of NJ trip to the ER....
AV, AV, PR, AV, PR^2, Latvian Homophobes, Waffen SS, Cameron spotted in Morrisons...anything something...distract, distract...
Clone Bomber Harris if you really want to upset the Continentals. Double points from the PB League of Empire Loyalist as he was a Rhodesian too!0 -
I had a look at this - it's actually very well written. The bit about choice doesn't appear to extend to surgeons, unless it is referenced somewhere else?foxinsoxuk said:
No need for such subterfuge, just request it!Ishmael_X said:
If you are mates with an anaesthetist at the hospital who is mates with the international superstar surgeon for the operation you want done, it can happen that you get sort of unofficially reallocated to that surgeon's NHS list. Allegedly.Tim_B said:
I'd like to choose my own surgeon thanks.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
On the NHS you have a choice of 1, drawn from a pool of competent surgeons, which is all you need.Tim_B said:
Think of it like car insurers having approved repair centers. A real life example - my daughter on Obamacare needed her gall bladder removed. She had a choice of surgeons you could count on one hand. On my wife's policy the choice was almost 50.HurstLlama said:
Thanks for that Mr. T.. I have absolutely no idea what "in-network" means. However, if it is the difference between, to use your example, a maximum bill of $2,500 and an unlimited bill then I think something is very wrong.MTimT said:
My guess is that your gaming friend received his treatment 'out of network'. When you do that, your co-pay is increased (depends on the policy) and there is no absolute cap on your responsibilities.HurstLlama said:
Well, I for one don't understand the US Health system. A .FrancisUrquhart said:
I know...it was a joke.Tim_B said:
Doesn't matter - if you present at ER they have to treat you regardless of insurance. One reason the ER is such an expense to hospitals.FrancisUrquhart said:Suspect been shot and injured and being taken away in an ambulance. Police also been shot.
Hope his medical insurance is up to date....
I think a large percentage of British public think that they wouldn't see you at ER without them first swiping your credit card.
When my wife was diagnosed with cancer, we made sure all her providers were 'in-network' so her absolute cap is $2500. Which is just as well, as the chemo drugs came to around $20,000 per session.
If you want James Robertson Justice to do it personally because you think he is the best then you pay him.
Seems logical?
Indeed under the NHS it is your right under the NHS constitution:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-nhs-constitution-for-england/the-nhs-constitution-for-england0 -
Who is she?Omnium said:
Any reason we might consider her views more important than (say) yours?FrancisUrquhart said:“There is literally no excuse for what is going on there,” she said. “It’s shameful.
“And I’m very proud to be British, and think we do great things, and it is worth remembering that we are one of the biggest donor countries.
“But because of our inaction when it comes to 600 unaccompanied minors in Calais, it makes me ashamed to be British.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/19/it-makes-me-ashamed-to-be-british-carey-mulligan-slams-governmen/
No words of criticism for the French?0 -
Indeed, rump EU is by a clear margin the third largest economy (especially if you count China by PPP). The notion that it is "by far" the largest is completely false.Morris_Dancer said:On leaving the EU, stunning idiocy:
https://twitter.com/damiengwalter/status/777511991124647936
I assume that includes the UK's economy (between 2.5 and 3 trillion euros). And does seem to neglect that America, and maybe China are bigger, even with the UK included.
I think most people on both sides are entirely reasonable, but I suspect the above line of thinking has many adherents in the Lords.
If someone can't even comprehend that basic fact then everything that follows from such ignorance is flawed.0 -
She is a spokesperson for War Child.Omnium said:
Any reason we might consider her views more important than (say) yours?FrancisUrquhart said:“There is literally no excuse for what is going on there,” she said. “It’s shameful.
“And I’m very proud to be British, and think we do great things, and it is worth remembering that we are one of the biggest donor countries.
“But because of our inaction when it comes to 600 unaccompanied minors in Calais, it makes me ashamed to be British.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/19/it-makes-me-ashamed-to-be-british-carey-mulligan-slams-governmen/
No words of criticism for the French?0 -
Oh, I feel much better knowing it was legit - would never have known to ask. So how do the less respected surgeons stay in business?foxinsoxuk said:
No need for such subterfuge, just request it!Ishmael_X said:
If you are mates with an anaesthetist at the hospital who is mates with the international superstar surgeon for the operation you want done, it can happen that you get sort of unofficially reallocated to that surgeon's NHS list. Allegedly.Tim_B said:
I'd like to choose my own surgeon thanks.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
On the NHS you have a choice of 1, drawn from a pool of competent surgeons, which is all you need.Tim_B said:
Think of it like car insurers having approved repair centers. A real life example - my daughter on Obamacare needed her gall bladder removed. She had a choice of surgeons you could count on one hand. On my wife's policy the choice was almost 50.HurstLlama said:
Thanks for that Mr. T.. I have absolutely no idea what "in-network" means. However, if it is the difference between, to use your example, a maximum bill of $2,500 and an unlimited bill then I think something is very wrong.MTimT said:
My guess is that your gaming friend received his treatment 'out of network'. When you do that, your co-pay is increased (depends on the policy) and there is no absolute cap on your responsibilities.HurstLlama said:
Well, I for one don't understand the US Health system. A .FrancisUrquhart said:
I know...it was a joke.Tim_B said:
Doesn't matter - if you present at ER they have to treat you regardless of insurance. One reason the ER is such an expense to hospitals.FrancisUrquhart said:Suspect been shot and injured and being taken away in an ambulance. Police also been shot.
Hope his medical insurance is up to date....
I think a large percentage of British public think that they wouldn't see you at ER without them first swiping your credit card.
When my wife was diagnosed with cancer, we made sure all her providers were 'in-network' so her absolute cap is $2500. Which is just as well, as the chemo drugs came to around $20,000 per session.
If you want James Robertson Justice to do it personally because you think he is the best then you pay him.
Seems logical?
Indeed under the NHS it is your right under the NHS constitution:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-nhs-constitution-for-england/the-nhs-constitution-for-england0 -
Any reason we might consider their view more important than (say) yours?FrancisUrquhart said:
She is a spokesperson for War Child.Omnium said:
Any reason we might consider her views more important than (say) yours?FrancisUrquhart said:“There is literally no excuse for what is going on there,” she said. “It’s shameful.
“And I’m very proud to be British, and think we do great things, and it is worth remembering that we are one of the biggest donor countries.
“But because of our inaction when it comes to 600 unaccompanied minors in Calais, it makes me ashamed to be British.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/19/it-makes-me-ashamed-to-be-british-carey-mulligan-slams-governmen/
No words of criticism for the French?0 -
And how many children is she - as a millionaire - personally sponsoring?FrancisUrquhart said:“There is literally no excuse for what is going on there,” she said. “It’s shameful.
“And I’m very proud to be British, and think we do great things, and it is worth remembering that we are one of the biggest donor countries.
“But because of our inaction when it comes to 600 unaccompanied minors in Calais, it makes me ashamed to be British.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/19/it-makes-me-ashamed-to-be-british-carey-mulligan-slams-governmen/
No words of criticism for the French?0 -
I can't speak for anyone else, of course, but personally I was rather more concerned about the potential arrival of the Middle Eastern terrorists and rape gangs that Angela Merkel had invited into Europe than I was about Polish plumbers or Lithuanian fruit-pickers.HYUFD said:
It was more Blair's refusal to agree to a break in migration of Eastern Europeans to the UK in 2004 (unlike most other EU nations) which led to Brexit. Merkel's policy made it even more likely but was not the prime cause. However she is now seeing a significant move of CDU voters to the AfD tooSeanT said:I'm in Peru and haven't read a thread in yonks. But I'm surprised you're not (still?) discussing this. Merkel finally admits her refugee policy might have been an error.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/19/angela-merkel-admits-mistakes-asylum-seekers-election?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
I'll say. Possibly the greatest error in postwar German politics. Inter alia, it led fairly directly to Brexit.0 -
So what? She is an actor who gets paid to speak the lines given to her.FrancisUrquhart said:
She is a spokesperson for War Child.Omnium said:
Any reason we might consider her views more important than (say) yours?FrancisUrquhart said:“There is literally no excuse for what is going on there,” she said. “It’s shameful.
“And I’m very proud to be British, and think we do great things, and it is worth remembering that we are one of the biggest donor countries.
“But because of our inaction when it comes to 600 unaccompanied minors in Calais, it makes me ashamed to be British.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/19/it-makes-me-ashamed-to-be-british-carey-mulligan-slams-governmen/
No words of criticism for the French?0 -
When the attitude of the French not to see their own failings on this I am not surprised ...Omnium said:
Any reason we might consider her views more important than (say) yours?FrancisUrquhart said:“There is literally no excuse for what is going on there,” she said. “It’s shameful.
“And I’m very proud to be British, and think we do great things, and it is worth remembering that we are one of the biggest donor countries.
“But because of our inaction when it comes to 600 unaccompanied minors in Calais, it makes me ashamed to be British.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/19/it-makes-me-ashamed-to-be-british-carey-mulligan-slams-governmen/
No words of criticism for the French?
"A rising star French politician has demanded the UK take responsibility for detaining thousands of illegal immigrants currently stranded in Calais. Xavier Bertrand, a minister in successive French governments, wrote to David Cameron telling him to open a new detention centre at Dover for failed asylum seekers. He blamed British “security flaws” for encouraging waves of migrants to believe they could head for Calais in hope of crossing the channel.
"the border should now be moved to Dover, Bertrand goes on: “Controlling your southern border cannot be France’s sole responsibility"
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/french-politician-blames-british-security-flaws-for-calais-migrants-crisis-10393452.html
This obviously completely ignores any of the reasons they are in France in the first place having crossed illegally and uncontrolled into and across France
it's at times like this I know the leave decision was sadly right.0 -
More significant too is they do more trade with the UK than the UK does with the EUMorris_Dancer said:On leaving the EU, stunning idiocy:
https://twitter.com/damiengwalter/status/777511991124647936
I assume that includes the UK's economy (between 2.5 and 3 trillion euros). And does seem to neglect that America, and maybe China are bigger, even with the UK included.
I think most people on both sides are entirely reasonable, but I suspect the above line of thinking has many adherents in the Lords.0 -
She might have taken in some children into her house just like Pixie Balls...oxfordsimon said:
And how many children is she - as a millionaire - personally sponsoring?FrancisUrquhart said:“There is literally no excuse for what is going on there,” she said. “It’s shameful.
“And I’m very proud to be British, and think we do great things, and it is worth remembering that we are one of the biggest donor countries.
“But because of our inaction when it comes to 600 unaccompanied minors in Calais, it makes me ashamed to be British.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/19/it-makes-me-ashamed-to-be-british-carey-mulligan-slams-governmen/
No words of criticism for the French?
Oh wait ....
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If Sarkozy is UMP candidate and beats Le Pen that will be the French President's position unlike the present administration, though he will also take a much harder line on immigration than Hollande and maybe even take France out of SchengenMoses_ said:
When the attitude of the French not to see their own failings on this I am not surprised ...Omnium said:
Any reason we might consider her views more important than (say) yours?FrancisUrquhart said:“There is literally no excuse for what is going on there,” she said. “It’s shameful.
“And I’m very proud to be British, and think we do great things, and it is worth remembering that we are one of the biggest donor countries.
“But because of our inaction when it comes to 600 unaccompanied minors in Calais, it makes me ashamed to be British.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/19/it-makes-me-ashamed-to-be-british-carey-mulligan-slams-governmen/
No words of criticism for the French?
"A rising star French politician has demanded the UK take responsibility for detaining thousands of illegal immigrants currently stranded in Calais. Xavier Bertrand, a minister in successive French governments, wrote to David Cameron telling him to open a new detention centre at Dover for failed asylum seekers. He blamed British “security flaws” for encouraging waves of migrants to believe they could head for Calais in hope of crossing the channel.
"the border should now be moved to Dover, Bertrand goes on: “Controlling your southern border cannot be France’s sole responsibility"
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/french-politician-blames-british-security-flaws-for-calais-migrants-crisis-10393452.html
This obviously completely ignores any of the reasons they are in France in the first place having crossed illegally and uncontrolled into and across France
it's at times like this I know the leave decision was sadly right.0 -
Proportionately however we have much more to loseHYUFD said:
More significant too is they do more trade with the UK than the UK does with the EUMorris_Dancer said:On leaving the EU, stunning idiocy:
https://twitter.com/damiengwalter/status/777511991124647936
I assume that includes the UK's economy (between 2.5 and 3 trillion euros). And does seem to neglect that America, and maybe China are bigger, even with the UK included.
I think most people on both sides are entirely reasonable, but I suspect the above line of thinking has many adherents in the Lords.
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C4 - Momentum time0
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I was too (personally free movement did not bother me beyond security concerns about terrorism) but I am middle-class and voted Remain, not a working class Leave voting supermarket worker or construction worker who saw their wages undercut by Eastern European migrantsCookie said:
I can't speak for anyone else, of course, but personally I was rather more concerned about the potential arrival of the Middle Eastern terrorists and rape gangs that Angela Merkel had invited into Europe than I was about Polish plumbers or Lithuanian fruit-pickers.HYUFD said:
It was more Blair's refusal to agree to a break in migration of Eastern Europeans to the UK in 2004 (unlike most other EU nations) which led to Brexit. Merkel's policy made it even more likely but was not the prime cause. However she is now seeing a significant move of CDU voters to the AfD tooSeanT said:I'm in Peru and haven't read a thread in yonks. But I'm surprised you're not (still?) discussing this. Merkel finally admits her refugee policy might have been an error.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/19/angela-merkel-admits-mistakes-asylum-seekers-election?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
I'll say. Possibly the greatest error in postwar German politics. Inter alia, it led fairly directly to Brexit.0 -
Precisely.Moses_ said:
She might have taken in some children into her house just like Pixie Balls...oxfordsimon said:
And how many children is she - as a millionaire - personally sponsoring?FrancisUrquhart said:“There is literally no excuse for what is going on there,” she said. “It’s shameful.
“And I’m very proud to be British, and think we do great things, and it is worth remembering that we are one of the biggest donor countries.
“But because of our inaction when it comes to 600 unaccompanied minors in Calais, it makes me ashamed to be British.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/19/it-makes-me-ashamed-to-be-british-carey-mulligan-slams-governmen/
No words of criticism for the French?
Oh wait ....0 -
https://twitter.com/rustinpeace00/status/777935995610292224oxfordsimon said:C4 - Momentum time
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And over on Tiny Trots TV its bedtime poems worshiping the Messiah...oxfordsimon said:C4 - Momentum time
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Clinton is asked by a journalist whether this weekend's attacks or incidents in the coming weeks are an attempt by ISIS or the Russians to help Trump...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QAWEWiL6Xs0 -
That accounts for a lot. No wonder he was so keen on inflicting oil leaks.foxinsoxuk said:
The Zeebrugge raid was pretty ineffective, only closing the port for 24 hours.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
What about Naval shelling of Zeebrugge?foxinsoxuk said:
Try grammar schools. That usually works ;-)FrancisUrquhart said:Oh god what have I started with my quip about David of NJ trip to the ER....
AV, AV, PR, AV, PR^2, Latvian Homophobes, Waffen SS, Cameron spotted in Morrisons...anything something...distract, distract...
Clone Bomber Harris if you really want to upset the Continentals. Double points from the PB League of Empire Loyalist as he was a Rhodesian too!0 -
That depends entirely on the country, while that may be the case for Spain or Slovakia it is not the case for Germany or FranceIanB2 said:
Proportionately however we have much more to loseHYUFD said:
More significant too is they do more trade with the UK than the UK does with the EUMorris_Dancer said:On leaving the EU, stunning idiocy:
https://twitter.com/damiengwalter/status/777511991124647936
I assume that includes the UK's economy (between 2.5 and 3 trillion euros). And does seem to neglect that America, and maybe China are bigger, even with the UK included.
I think most people on both sides are entirely reasonable, but I suspect the above line of thinking has many adherents in the Lords.0 -
Plus Panorama and Kinnock at 8.30pm on BBC1oxfordsimon said:C4 - Momentum time
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Nicola Horlick backs the LDs to keep the UK in the Single Market
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/city-superwoman-nicola-horlick-backs-lib-dems-to-battle-against-brexit-a3348396.html0 -
Is that a Maomentum meeting in the kids section of a library?0
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So? Farron is not the man to lead a conga, let alone a real movement for political change.HYUFD said:Nicola Horlick backs the LDs to keep the UK in the Single Market
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/city-superwoman-nicola-horlick-backs-lib-dems-to-battle-against-brexit-a3348396.html0 -
@DPJHodges: Just remember - even though you will see video tonight of Momentum plotting to deselect MPs, Momentum are not plotting to deselect MPs.0
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So far nothing very exciting...all stuff we knew already.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/12156177/momentum-activists-jeremy-corbyn-labour-purge.html0 -
Indeed, it is all very tame. And Momentum will just continue to deny everything. Even though it is clear they are a party within a party and seeking to use intimidation, bullying and threats to secure their aims.FrancisUrquhart said:So far nothing very exciting...all stuff we knew already.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/12156177/momentum-activists-jeremy-corbyn-labour-purge.html0 -
One of the slightly bizarre facts is that labour participation rates have improved in Europe (except Greece) since the start of the Euro, whereas they've worsened in the US.weejonnie said:The 'low unemployment' is basically rather a lot of people on very low incomes who have seen their standard of living fall over the last 15 years.
I suppose Clinton can always tell them to eat Big Macs if they can't afford proper food.
"Since 2008, the labor participation rate has fallen from a high of 67.3% in 2000 to 62.6% today. That 62.2% represents a 38-year low, which puts Bloomberg’s claim of a 42-year-low in joblessness in perspective. The jobless number is “low” only because more people are no longer considered to be participating in the workforce."0 -
Interesting though as she used to be a close friend of William Hagueoxfordsimon said:
So? Farron is not the man to lead a conga, let alone a real movement for political change.HYUFD said:Nicola Horlick backs the LDs to keep the UK in the Single Market
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/city-superwoman-nicola-horlick-backs-lib-dems-to-battle-against-brexit-a3348396.html0 -
"since july corbyn has been battling to regain control of the labour party" - not much of a battle surely.0
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Hmmm: a woman who backed Madoff (and handed over large quantities of her customers' money to him). Clearly someone who's views we should trust.HYUFD said:Nicola Horlick backs the LDs to keep the UK in the Single Market
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/city-superwoman-nicola-horlick-backs-lib-dems-to-battle-against-brexit-a3348396.html0 -
Ahem, Les Republicains, not UMP.HYUFD said:
If Sarkozy is UMP candidate and beats Le Pen that will be the French President's position unlike the present administration, though he will also take a much harder line on immigration than Hollande and maybe even take France out of SchengenMoses_ said:
When the attitude of the French not to see their own failings on this I am not surprised ...Omnium said:
Any reason we might consider her views more important than (say) yours?FrancisUrquhart said:“There is literally no excuse for what is going on there,” she said. “It’s shameful.
“And I’m very proud to be British, and think we do great things, and it is worth remembering that we are one of the biggest donor countries.
“But because of our inaction when it comes to 600 unaccompanied minors in Calais, it makes me ashamed to be British.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/19/it-makes-me-ashamed-to-be-british-carey-mulligan-slams-governmen/
No words of criticism for the French?
"A rising star French politician has demanded the UK take responsibility for detaining thousands of illegal immigrants currently stranded in Calais. Xavier Bertrand, a minister in successive French governments, wrote to David Cameron telling him to open a new detention centre at Dover for failed asylum seekers. He blamed British “security flaws” for encouraging waves of migrants to believe they could head for Calais in hope of crossing the channel.
"the border should now be moved to Dover, Bertrand goes on: “Controlling your southern border cannot be France’s sole responsibility"
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/french-politician-blames-british-security-flaws-for-calais-migrants-crisis-10393452.html
This obviously completely ignores any of the reasons they are in France in the first place having crossed illegally and uncontrolled into and across France
it's at times like this I know the leave decision was sadly right.
But (a) he won't be the LR candidate; and (b) he wouldn't take France out of Schengen if he did become President.0 -
Indeed, though interesting that if Leadsom had won the Tory leadership Aaron Banks and the Leave.EU group would have tried to what Momentum is doing with the Tories. Corbyn will not be happy about Labour HQ being infiltrated and he being filmed undercoverScott_P said:@DPJHodges: Just remember - even though you will see video tonight of Momentum plotting to deselect MPs, Momentum are not plotting to deselect MPs.
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If she is who I think she is, her understanding of the EU is poor.HYUFD said:Nicola Horlick backs the LDs to keep the UK in the Single Market
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/city-superwoman-nicola-horlick-backs-lib-dems-to-battle-against-brexit-a3348396.html0 -
It is always the money. Twas thus for Capone. Will be thus for Corbyn and Momentum if this sticks0
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Much of the City and Wall Street was duped by Madoff, including the last firm my father worked for before he retired. Clearly they could have made more checks but he was very canny. As for Horlick, managing big City funds while bringing up 6 children (including one who sadly died of Leukaemia) is still a very rare featrcs1000 said:
Hmmm: a woman who backed Madoff (and handed over large quantities of her customers' money to him). Clearly someone who's views we should trust.HYUFD said:Nicola Horlick backs the LDs to keep the UK in the Single Market
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/city-superwoman-nicola-horlick-backs-lib-dems-to-battle-against-brexit-a3348396.html0 -
I wonder whether she is indicative of a wider disillusion within the City with the Tories?HYUFD said:
Much of the City and Wall Street was duped by Madoff, including the last firm my father worked for before he retired. Clearly they could have made more checks but he was very canny. As for Horlick, managing big City funds while bringing up 6 children (including one who sadly died of Leukaemia) is still a very rare featrcs1000 said:
Hmmm: a woman who backed Madoff (and handed over large quantities of her customers' money to him). Clearly someone who's views we should trust.HYUFD said:Nicola Horlick backs the LDs to keep the UK in the Single Market
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/city-superwoman-nicola-horlick-backs-lib-dems-to-battle-against-brexit-a3348396.html0 -
OK, LR then. He is certainly campaigning hard across the Right's heartlands in the south and it is those voters who will decide the LR primary. He has also said 'Schengen is dead'rcs1000 said:
Ahem, Les Republicains, not UMP.HYUFD said:
If Sarkozy is UMP candidate and beats Le Pen that will be the French President's position unlike the present administration, though he will also take a much harder line on immigration than Hollande and maybe even take France out of SchengenMoses_ said:
When the attitude of the French not to see their own failings on this I am not surprised ...Omnium said:
Any reason we might consider her views more important than (say) yours?FrancisUrquhart said:“There is literally no excuse for what is going on there,” she said. “It’s shameful.
“And I’m very proud to be British, and think we do great things, and it is worth remembering that we are one of the biggest donor countries.
“But because of our inaction when it comes to 600 unaccompanied minors in Calais, it makes me ashamed to be British.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/19/it-makes-me-ashamed-to-be-british-carey-mulligan-slams-governmen/
No words of criticism for the French?
"A rising star French politician has demanded the UK take responsibility for detaining thousands of illegal immigrants currently stranded in Calais. Xavier Bertrand, a minister in successive French governments, wrote to David Cameron telling him to open a new detention centre at Dover for failed asylum seekers. He blamed British “security flaws” for encouraging waves of migrants to believe they could head for Calais in hope of crossing the channel.
"the border should now be moved to Dover, Bertrand goes on: “Controlling your southern border cannot be France’s sole responsibility"
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/french-politician-blames-british-security-flaws-for-calais-migrants-crisis-10393452.html
This obviously completely ignores any of the reasons they are in France in the first place having crossed illegally and uncontrolled into and across France
it's at times like this I know the leave decision was sadly right.
But (a) he won't be the LR candidate; and (b) he wouldn't take France out of Schengen if he did become President.
http://europeanpost.co/nicolas-sarkozy-les-republicains-epp-schengen-is-dead/0 -
@ninjamoose101: Judging by the number of Corbyn supporters going into meltdown I think we can assume most of the documentary is true...0
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Collectively, yes, but not individually.HYUFD said:
More significant too is they do more trade with the UK than the UK does with the EUMorris_Dancer said:On leaving the EU, stunning idiocy:
https://twitter.com/damiengwalter/status/777511991124647936
I assume that includes the UK's economy (between 2.5 and 3 trillion euros). And does seem to neglect that America, and maybe China are bigger, even with the UK included.
I think most people on both sides are entirely reasonable, but I suspect the above line of thinking has many adherents in the Lords.
China is 5.7% of British exports, the US 11%.
As an aside, it is worth remembering that trade is conducted in real, not PPP, dollars. So, China is (currently) only about half the size of the EU ex-UK. And, if you look at China's imports, they're a relatively low percentage of GDP, and most of their imports are of commodities. See: http://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/visualize/tree_map/hs92/import/chn/all/show/2014/ to see what China imports. There's not a great overlap with UK exports, so it's not entirely clear where the easy gains would come from us substituting other people in the event of a free trade deal.0 -
She did not manage big city funds.HYUFD said:
Much of the City and Wall Street was duped by Madoff, including the last firm my father worked for before he retired. Clearly they could have made more checks but he was very canny. As for Horlick, managing big City funds while bringing up 6 children (including one who sadly died of Leukaemia) is still a very rare featrcs1000 said:
Hmmm: a woman who backed Madoff (and handed over large quantities of her customers' money to him). Clearly someone who's views we should trust.HYUFD said:Nicola Horlick backs the LDs to keep the UK in the Single Market
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/city-superwoman-nicola-horlick-backs-lib-dems-to-battle-against-brexit-a3348396.html0 -
The data stuff is very dodgy indeedScott_P said:@ninjamoose101: Judging by the number of Corbyn supporters going into meltdown I think we can assume most of the documentary is true...
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She managed Morgan Grenfell's UK investment business, assets ultimately totalling £18 billion and then set up her own fundsrcs1000 said:
She did not manage big city funds.HYUFD said:
Much of the City and Wall Street was duped by Madoff, including the last firm my father worked for before he retired. Clearly they could have made more checks but he was very canny. As for Horlick, managing big City funds while bringing up 6 children (including one who sadly died of Leukaemia) is still a very rare featrcs1000 said:
Hmmm: a woman who backed Madoff (and handed over large quantities of her customers' money to him). Clearly someone who's views we should trust.HYUFD said:Nicola Horlick backs the LDs to keep the UK in the Single Market
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/city-superwoman-nicola-horlick-backs-lib-dems-to-battle-against-brexit-a3348396.html0 -
Chaz, sometimes you do yourself no favours....Charles said:You are probably the only person who got that, highly specific, joke...
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Certainly much of the City will be hoping Hammond gets a fair hearingIanB2 said:
I wonder whether she is indicative of a wider disillusion within the City with the Tories?HYUFD said:
Much of the City and Wall Street was duped by Madoff, including the last firm my father worked for before he retired. Clearly they could have made more checks but he was very canny. As for Horlick, managing big City funds while bringing up 6 children (including one who sadly died of Leukaemia) is still a very rare featrcs1000 said:
Hmmm: a woman who backed Madoff (and handed over large quantities of her customers' money to him). Clearly someone who's views we should trust.HYUFD said:Nicola Horlick backs the LDs to keep the UK in the Single Market
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/city-superwoman-nicola-horlick-backs-lib-dems-to-battle-against-brexit-a3348396.html0 -
Everyone, including PB commenters, is missing the point here. Which is why do these people want to come to the UK? Why would people choose a life of selling The Big Issue in the UK? It's the benefits system. We need to eliminate the pull factors. When we've done that, we can see how much of a jungle we're left with.Moses_ said:
When the attitude of the French not to see their own failings on this I am not surprised ...Omnium said:
Any reason we might consider her views more important than (say) yours?FrancisUrquhart said:“There is literally no excuse for what is going on there,” she said. “It’s shameful.
“And I’m very proud to be British, and think we do great things, and it is worth remembering that we are one of the biggest donor countries.
“But because of our inaction when it comes to 600 unaccompanied minors in Calais, it makes me ashamed to be British.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/19/it-makes-me-ashamed-to-be-british-carey-mulligan-slams-governmen/
No words of criticism for the French?
"A rising star French politician has demanded the UK take responsibility for detaining thousands of illegal immigrants currently stranded in Calais. Xavier Bertrand, a minister in successive French governments, wrote to David Cameron telling him to open a new detention centre at Dover for failed asylum seekers. He blamed British “security flaws” for encouraging waves of migrants to believe they could head for Calais in hope of crossing the channel.
"the border should now be moved to Dover, Bertrand goes on: “Controlling your southern border cannot be France’s sole responsibility"
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/french-politician-blames-british-security-flaws-for-calais-migrants-crisis-10393452.html
This obviously completely ignores any of the reasons they are in France in the first place having crossed illegally and uncontrolled into and across France
it's at times like this I know the leave decision was sadly right.0 -
We have a clear trade deficit with every EU country except Ireland. Yes we have a trade deficit with China too but we have a trade surplus with the US and Switzerland so it would make sense to focus out trade expansion efforts there first once we have left the EU and look at the Middle East, Australia, New Zealand, India and Canada too. Obviously we want a free trade deal of some sort but with full free movement a non-starter from the UK perspective that depends on the EU being willing to do a deal toorcs1000 said:
Collectively, yes, but not individually.HYUFD said:
More significant too is they do more trade with the UK than the UK does with the EUMorris_Dancer said:On leaving the EU, stunning idiocy:
https://twitter.com/damiengwalter/status/777511991124647936
I assume that includes the UK's economy (between 2.5 and 3 trillion euros). And does seem to neglect that America, and maybe China are bigger, even with the UK included.
I think most people on both sides are entirely reasonable, but I suspect the above line of thinking has many adherents in the Lords.
China is 5.7% of British exports, the US 11%.
As an aside, it is worth remembering that trade is conducted in real, not PPP, dollars. So, China is (currently) only about half the size of the EU ex-UK. And, if you look at China's imports, they're a relatively low percentage of GDP, and most of their imports are of commodities. See: http://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/visualize/tree_map/hs92/import/chn/all/show/2014/ to see what China imports. There's not a great overlap with UK exports, so it's not entirely clear where the easy gains would come from us substituting other people in the event of a free trade deal.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/nationalaccounts/balanceofpayments/bulletins/uktrade/apr20160 -
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Alternatively we are a good nation to live in. Working even a minimum wage job provides a life far more secure than any they could get at home. Furthermore if they speak English already then its a big advantage to be in the UK. There is no way to eliminate those pull factors as they are good things we'd be insane to want to eliminate.Luckyguy1983 said:
Everyone, including PB commenters, is missing the point here. Which is why do these people want to come to the UK? Why would people choose a life of selling The Big Issue in the UK? It's the benefits system. We need to eliminate the pull factors. When we've done that, we can see how much of a jungle we're left with.Moses_ said:
When the attitude of the French not to see their own failings on this I am not surprised ...Omnium said:
Any reason we might consider her views more important than (say) yours?FrancisUrquhart said:“There is literally no excuse for what is going on there,” she said. “It’s shameful.
“And I’m very proud to be British, and think we do great things, and it is worth remembering that we are one of the biggest donor countries.
“But because of our inaction when it comes to 600 unaccompanied minors in Calais, it makes me ashamed to be British.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/19/it-makes-me-ashamed-to-be-british-carey-mulligan-slams-governmen/
No words of criticism for the French?
"A rising star French politician has demanded the UK take responsibility for detaining thousands of illegal immigrants currently stranded in Calais. Xavier Bertrand, a minister in successive French governments, wrote to David Cameron telling him to open a new detention centre at Dover for failed asylum seekers. He blamed British “security flaws” for encouraging waves of migrants to believe they could head for Calais in hope of crossing the channel.
"the border should now be moved to Dover, Bertrand goes on: “Controlling your southern border cannot be France’s sole responsibility"
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/french-politician-blames-british-security-flaws-for-calais-migrants-crisis-10393452.html
This obviously completely ignores any of the reasons they are in France in the first place having crossed illegally and uncontrolled into and across France
it's at times like this I know the leave decision was sadly right.
A very tiny fraction migrants once here actually sell the Big Issue. Even fewer probably planned on doing so.0 -
Nicola grossly over inflated her own role. MGAM was a great business built by a great team. It wasn't the work of one superwoman.HYUFD said:
Much of the City and Wall Street was duped by Madoff, including the last firm my father worked for before he retired. Clearly they could have made more checks but he was very canny. As for Horlick, managing big City funds while bringing up 6 children (including one who sadly died of Leukaemia) is still a very rare featrcs1000 said:
Hmmm: a woman who backed Madoff (and handed over large quantities of her customers' money to him). Clearly someone who's views we should trust.HYUFD said:Nicola Horlick backs the LDs to keep the UK in the Single Market
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/city-superwoman-nicola-horlick-backs-lib-dems-to-battle-against-brexit-a3348396.html0 -
@Luckyguy1983
'Everyone, including PB commenters, is missing the point here. Which is why do these people want to come to the UK? Why would people choose a life of selling The Big Issue in the UK? It's the benefits system. We need to eliminate the pull factors. When we've done that, we can see how much of a jungle we're left with.'
Agree that's a big part of it,plus language, being able to live here in a parallel community and of course our International Health Servoce.
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Don't be wilfully gauche. We can eliminate what we can eliminate. The point is that working a minimum wage job (and self employment, which is what selling The Big Issue is classed as), unlocks benefits such as working tax credits, child tax credits, and housing benefit, which is why so many do it.Philip_Thompson said:
Alternatively we are a good nation to live in. Working even a minimum wage job provides a life far more secure than any they could get at home. Furthermore if they speak English already then its a big advantage to be in the UK. There is no way to eliminate those pull factors as they are good things we'd be insane to want to eliminate.Luckyguy1983 said:
Everyone, including PB commenters, is missing the point here. Which is why do these people want to come to the UK? Why would people choose a life of selling The Big Issue in the UK? It's the benefits system. We need to eliminate the pull factors. When we've done that, we can see how much of a jungle we're left with.Moses_ said:
When the attitude of the French not to see their own failings on this I am not surprised ...Omnium said:
Any reason we might consider her views more important than (say) yours?FrancisUrquhart said:“There is literally no excuse for what is going on there,” she said. “It’s shameful.
“And I’m very proud to be British, and think we do great things, and it is worth remembering that we are one of the biggest donor countries.
“But because of our inaction when it comes to 600 unaccompanied minors in Calais, it makes me ashamed to be British.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/19/it-makes-me-ashamed-to-be-british-carey-mulligan-slams-governmen/
No words of criticism for the French?
"A rising star French politician has demanded the UK take responsibility for detaining thousands of illegal immigrants currently stranded in Calais. Xavier Bertrand, a minister in successive French governments, wrote to David Cameron telling him to open a new detention centre at Dover for failed asylum seekers. He blamed British “security flaws” for encouraging waves of migrants to believe they could head for Calais in hope of crossing the channel.
"the border should now be moved to Dover, Bertrand goes on: “Controlling your southern border cannot be France’s sole responsibility"
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/french-politician-blames-british-security-flaws-for-calais-migrants-crisis-10393452.html
This obviously completely ignores any of the reasons they are in France in the first place having crossed illegally and uncontrolled into and across France
it's at times like this I know the leave decision was sadly right.
A very tiny fraction migrants once here actually sell the Big Issue. Even fewer probably planned on doing so.0 -
Yeah, I once complained to First Direct that they'd not handled a claim properly. They ignored it. I complained again. They ignored that too. Real life intervened and I dropped it, as they no doubt intended. The size of the amount wasn't worth (the time to pursue it) * (the probability of success).HurstLlama said:
Insurance companies now seem to have a rule which is not to pay out on the risks they have insured unless they really, really have to.
That said, loss adjusters seem to have a fair amount of leeway. We once had a kitchen fire, and the adjuster suggested that we should claim not only for the smoke damage to the walls but for the marks on the ceiling. My wife said, "No, it's OK, they were there before." The adjuster said, "Well, up to you, but I think you can claim." (We didn't, but we were startled by the suggestion.)0 -
The proportion of the benefits bill going to EU migrants is tiny compared to the proportion of the population they comprise.Luckyguy1983 said:
Don't be wilfully gauche. We can eliminate what we can eliminate. The point is that working a minimum wage job (and self employment, which is what selling The Big Issue is classed as), unlocks benefits such as working tax credits, child tax credits, and housing benefit, which is why so many do it.Philip_Thompson said:
Alternatively we are a good nation to live in. Working even a minimum wage job provides a life far more secure than any they could get at home. Furthermore if they speak English already then its a big advantage to be in the UK. There is no way to eliminate those pull factors as they are good things we'd be insane to want to eliminate.Luckyguy1983 said:
Everyone, including PB commenters, is missing the point here. Which is why do these people want to come to the UK? Why would people choose a life of selling The Big Issue in the UK? It's the benefits system. We need to eliminate the pull factors. When we've done that, we can see how much of a jungle we're left with.Moses_ said:
When the attitude of the French not to see their own failings on this I am not surprised ...Omnium said:
Any reason we might consider her views more important than (say) yours?FrancisUrquhart said:“There is literally no excuse for what is going on there,” she said. “It’s shameful.
“And I’m very proud to be British, and think we do great things, and it is worth remembering that we are one of the biggest donor countries.
“But because of our inaction when it comes to 600 unaccompanied minors in Calais, it makes me ashamed to be British.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/19/it-makes-me-ashamed-to-be-british-carey-mulligan-slams-governmen/
No words of criticism for the French?
"A rising star
"the border should now be moved to Dover, Bertrand goes on: “Controlling your southern border cannot be France’s sole responsibility"
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/french-politician-blames-british-security-flaws-for-calais-migrants-crisis-10393452.html
This obviously completely ignores any of the reasons they are in France in the first place having crossed illegally and uncontrolled into and across France
it's at times like this I know the leave decision was sadly right.
A very tiny fraction migrants once here actually sell the Big Issue. Even fewer probably planned on doing so.0 -
Our annual trade with the EU is worth about one hundred times that with Australia.HYUFD said:
We have a clear trade deficit with every EU country except Ireland. Yes we have a trade deficit with China too but we have a trade surplus with the US and Switzerland so it would make sense to focus out trade expansion efforts there first once we have left the EU and look at the Middle East, Australia, New Zealand, India and Canada too. Obviously we want a free trade deal of some sort but with full free movement a non-starter from the UK perspective that depends on the EU being willing to do a deal toorcs1000 said:
Collectively, yes, but not individually.HYUFD said:
More significant too is they do more trade with the UK than the UK does with the EUMorris_Dancer said:On leaving the EU, stunning idiocy:
https://twitter.com/damiengwalter/status/777511991124647936
I assume that includes the UK's economy (between 2.5 and 3 trillion euros). And does seem to neglect that America, and maybe China are bigger, even with the UK included.
I think most people on both sides are entirely reasonable, but I suspect the above line of thinking has many adherents in the Lords.
China is 5.7% of British exports, the US 11%.
As an aside, it is worth remembering that trade is conducted in real, not PPP, dollars. So, China is (currently) only about half the size of the EU ex-UK. And, if you look at China's imports, they're a relatively low percentage of GDP, and most of their imports are of commodities. See: http://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/visualize/tree_map/hs92/import/chn/all/show/2014/ to see what China imports. There's not a great overlap with UK exports, so it's not entirely clear where the easy gains would come from us substituting other people in the event of a free trade deal.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/nationalaccounts/balanceofpayments/bulletins/uktrade/apr20160 -
Loss Adjusters are supposed to be fair and are supposed to recommend settlement that puts the Insured in a position of indemnity - the position they were in before the loss. But you will pay any excess etc...NickPalmer said:
Yeah, I once complained to First Direct that they'd not handled a claim properly. They ignored it. I complained again. They ignored that too. Real life intervened and I dropped it, as they no doubt intended. The size of the amount wasn't worth (the time to pursue it) * (the probability of success).HurstLlama said:
Insurance companies now seem to have a rule which is not to pay out on the risks they have insured unless they really, really have to.
That said, loss adjusters seem to have a fair amount of leeway. We once had a kitchen fire, and the adjuster suggested that we should claim not only for the smoke damage to the walls but for the marks on the ceiling. My wife said, "No, it's OK, they were there before." The adjuster said, "Well, up to you, but I think you can claim." (We didn't, but we were startled by the suggestion.)0 -
Labour could have resolved this but chose the opposite and just massively increased the number of claimants. If the Tories try to make any reductions. there are howls of derision.john_zims said:@Luckyguy1983
'Everyone, including PB commenters, is missing the point here. Which is why do these people want to come to the UK? Why would people choose a life of selling The Big Issue in the UK? It's the benefits system. We need to eliminate the pull factors. When we've done that, we can see how much of a jungle we're left with.'
Agree that's a big part of it,plus language, being able to live here in a parallel community and of course our International Health Servoce.
We all know what the problem is but how do you resolve it?0
