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So Witney then. A route back for Ed Balls?
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Cameron resigning as an MP.0
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Going back to the polls (although of course it is now 'events, dear boy, events') - Trump +4 in Florida and +1 in Iowa.0
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Looks like Witney has just opened up for Jezza.0
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Nah. He's standing down now.MaxPB said:Making space at Witney for Osborne?
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Oh YOU CYNICFrancisUrquhart said:
Somebody has got a big bucks offer....TheScreamingEagles said:
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So, which tory who isn't an MP at the moment wants the safest of safe seats for the Tories?0
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Bother, should have waited for 2020!TheScreamingEagles said:
Nah. He's standing down now.MaxPB said:Making space at Witney for Osborne?
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I'm sure Cameron promised to stay on as an MP for another full term...0
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Good point...TheScreamingEagles said:
Nah. He's standing down now.MaxPB said:Making space at Witney for Osborne?
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TSESlackbladder said:So, which tory who isn't an MP at the moment wants the safest of safe seats for the Tories?
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That's going to be a really serious rocket: it'll only have slightly less power than SpaceX's Falcon Heavy.Pulpstar said:Off topic: Jeff Bezos has just revealed Blue Origins' next rocket - New Glenn.
Looks like a serious bit of kit with a decently wide faring and 3.5 million pounds of thrust (Which would make it the most powerful rocket available right now I think)
It looks as though he's skipping 2.5 generations: the Falcon 1, Falcon 9 and Falcon 9 Heavy, and going to compete with whatever SpaceX do with their Raptor engine.
I *think* 23 feet diameter is bigger than the loading gauge for US railways and highways (a design constraint for rockets in the past), so it'll have to be constructed near site or transported by barge, as the Shuttle's External Tank was.
Exciting times for the space buff ...0 -
Only if he runs as a true blue Tory. The constituents of Witney would vote for a monkey wearing a blue rosette.MarkHopkins said:
So Witney then. A route back for Ed Balls?0 -
Just like he promised to stay on as PM if we voted Leave...AndyJS said:I'm sure Cameron promised to stay on as an MP for another full term...
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List of the 9 Tory MPs who lost their seats last year:
Nick de Bois (Enfield North)
Angie Bray (Ealing Central & Acton)
Mary Macleod (Brentford & Isleworth)
Esther McVey (Wirral West)
Stephen Mosley (City of Chester)
Eric Ollerenshaw (Lancaster & Fleetwood)
Simon Reevell (Dewsbury)
Lee Scott (Ilford North)
Paul Uppal (Wolverhampton South West)0 -
What a terrible birthday present.Tissue_Price said:
TSESlackbladder said:So, which tory who isn't an MP at the moment wants the safest of safe seats for the Tories?
I shall wear black for the rest of the day.0 -
Nigel Farage?Slackbladder said:So, which tory who isn't an MP at the moment wants the safest of safe seats for the Tories?
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The way to get around this is to allow constituencies to be built on smaller building blocks than wards. I can't see any problem with splitting a ward between more than one constituency, although obviously it's not quite as neat. The building blocks are there - middle- and lower- level super output areas would do the trick.tpfkar said:
Nonsense. The knock-on of the inflexible 5% variation is that several seats have to be altered just to balance out one which isn't in quota. Count the "orphan" wards once we have the full proposals - constituencies containing a single ward from a local authority area, just there to get inside quota. It's the sort of thing that infuriates locally, and you didn't have in anything like the same number, before the 5% rule came in.RobD said:
Most MPs will actually be unaffected, given they are only reducing the chamber by less than 10%/Paristonda said:
Corbyn will have no seat? how much floorspace is there in the commons?MaxPB said:
Heart of stone etc...TheScreamingEagles said:Jeremy Corbyn’s Islington seat is to vanish from the map following the boundary changes, leaving Jez to fight it out for a new seat called Finsbury Park and Stoke Newington. Sources with intimate knowledge of the Boundary Review tell Guido that the new seat will take in the ward of Stamford Hill West in Hackney. Stamford Hill West forms part of a 30,000 strong Orthodox Jewish community. 37.6% of people living Stamford Hill West identify as Jewish.
http://order-order.com/2016/09/12/oy-vey-corbyns-new-seat-home-to-huge-jewish-community/
Might give the boundary reforms enough rebel Labour support to go through if these are confirmed.
“This is a problem that many MPs face every boundary review. Today this parliament is completely ram-packed."0 -
Interesting, as I'm sure Cameron said he's stay on as a backbench MP (although that might've been assuming he departed on his own terms rather than in the aftermath of defeat).0
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David Cameron next Secretary General of The United Nations.
You heard it here first.0 -
Mr. Eagles, happy birthday
Cheer up, old bean.0 -
The big question is what about Brits who want to move abroad to the EU to work, retire or marry someone etc. If they have to go through a visa process then that's a huge loss of rights compared to now.RobD said:
Brits are supposed to fill out customs forms on the way back? Or at least used to? I've only ever walked through the green line without being stopped for anything.MaxPB said:
We'll have to go through the green channel instead of the EU one, but yes if we leave the customs union then I'd expect duty rules to come back.SouthamObserver said:
I was responding to your thing about business people needing e-visas.MaxPB said:
Who else if not just tourists? I highly doubt that the home office will ask British citizens to fill out landing cards.SouthamObserver said:
I imagine it will just be filling in a card on the plane/ferry/train and handing it over at passport control for everyone, not just tourists.MaxPB said:
If we leave the single market then both sides will want a way of tracking arrivals and departures of tourists.SouthamObserver said:
I can't see that happening. It will be pretty much as it is now.MaxPB said:
For short term visitors I expect it to be a stamp on arrival, business people may need to get e-visas to attend conferences or meetings.FrankBooth said:Genuine question. What sort of travel rights do people expect we will get in the EU?
Americans have to fill out the customs cards when they return from abroad. Presumably, duty free rules will be reintroduced.
Brits don't have to fill out a customs form; by going through the Green channel you are implicitly declaring that you have no goods that attract customs duty (and hence liable to prosecution if you actually are and are caught)0 -
Oh dear. In an alternate universe Loathsome won the leadership election and just handed the seat to Farage who joined the Tories on the day she was elected leader.SandyRentool said:
Nigel Farage?Slackbladder said:So, which tory who isn't an MP at the moment wants the safest of safe seats for the Tories?
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Byelection!0
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One less opponent of grammar schools in the Commons.0
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Well nobody can claim 2016 has been a dull year for politics...0
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The Heir To Blair to the very end...TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
It's been pointed out that Cameron's resignation might have been a natural corollary of the Tory leadership election ending, as originally planned, on September 9th.
Will be fascinated to see what he does next. I agree that Osborne may well disappear too.0 -
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The reason Dave has quit. He didn't want to vote regularly against Theresa May's government, he didn't want to become the incredible sulk.0
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Not even your genius?MaxPB said:
I've never gone through the red channel. But then I've never had anything to declare!RobD said:
Brits are supposed to fill out customs forms on the way back? Or at least used to? I've only ever walked through the green line without being stopped for anything.MaxPB said:
We'll have to go through the green channel instead of the EU one, but yes if we leave the customs union then I'd expect duty rules to come back.SouthamObserver said:
I was responding to your thing about business people needing e-visas.MaxPB said:
Who else if not just tourists? I highly doubt that the home office will ask British citizens to fill out landing cards.SouthamObserver said:
I imagine it will just be filling in a card on the plane/ferry/train and handing it over at passport control for everyone, not just tourists.MaxPB said:
If we leave the single market then both sides will want a way of tracking arrivals and departures of tourists.SouthamObserver said:
I can't see that happening. It will be pretty much as it is now.MaxPB said:
For short term visitors I expect it to be a stamp on arrival, business people may need to get e-visas to attend conferences or meetings.FrankBooth said:Genuine question. What sort of travel rights do people expect we will get in the EU?
Americans have to fill out the customs cards when they return from abroad. Presumably, duty free rules will be reintroduced.0 -
Maybe one of the soon-to-be-deselected Red ToriesSlackbladder said:So, which tory who isn't an MP at the moment wants the safest of safe seats for the Tories?
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Oh well, if I can't get a peerage, perhaps I'll get his seat.TheScreamingEagles said:The reason Dave has quit. He didn't want to vote regularly against Theresa May's government, he didn't want to become the incredible sulk.
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Unlikely. The UN sec generals always tend to come from small to medium countries. The candidates currently standing come from Bulgaria, NZ, Costa Rica, Moldova, Portugal, Serbia, Macedonia, Argentina and Slovenia. There has been talk that it is the turn of a candidate from E Europe.TheScreamingEagles said:David Cameron next Secretary General of The United Nations.
You heard it here first.0 -
To be honest, it was a phrase Churchill largely instigated for personal and historical reasons he saw the English speaking people's as at the core of the world's history.TOPPING said:
Common heritage means a great deal, the odd war of independence aside, as does a common language (just). I think, however, that the special relationship has over the past few decades manifested itself in joint military adventures of one kind or another.Casino_Royale said:
If the Special Relationship means anything it means the UK isn't at the back of the queue. That would imply that at, the very least, TTIP and a UK-US trade deal would proceed in tandem, which would probably be in US interests anyway if they wanted to play hardball and play the EU and UK concessions off each other.Richard_Nabavi said:I see many Leavers are STILL laying into Obama for stating the obvious, and restating long-standing US policy.
Guys, the war is over. You won. What's wrong with you, that you are still bitter? It's normally the losing side which can't get over it.
Otherwise the relationship isn't very special.
I think those days of the US gallivanting around, playing the world policeman role, is over, for better or for worse. But hence the need for a grown up power to endorse such activities will decline. Whether the US saw the UK as being important as an EU member endorsing its military activities, of course we have no idea.
For us it probably made us feel more important and valued and the US agreed to flatter us with it to make us feel better.
From the Destroyers deal of 1940, to Suez, to the Falklands/Grenada the US had always done what's in its own interests.0 -
Perhaps the trigger for Dave resigning is that Witney is also going to be abolished in the boundary shake-up?0
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I presume you are well informed.TheScreamingEagles said:David Cameron next Secretary General of The United Nations.
You heard it here first.0 -
Not quite - Labour managed 28.3% in 1983! On the other hand, national electoral support is more fragmented generally than back then.HYUFD said:
Now up to 1983 level!Pulpstar said:
Labour on the rise.TheScreamingEagles said:Paging Justin....
ICM Poll
Conservatives: 41% (no change)
Labour: 28% (up 1)
Ukip: 13% (no change)
Lib Dems: 9% (no change)
Greens: 4% (no change)
ICM interviewed 2,013 people online between 9 and 11 September.0 -
Why not both? Hereditary peerages no longer bar you from standing as an MP!JohnO said:
Oh well, if I can't get a peerage, perhaps I'll get his seat.TheScreamingEagles said:The reason Dave has quit. He didn't want to vote regularly against Theresa May's government, he didn't want to become the incredible sulk.
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Really?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, happy birthday
Cheer up, old bean.
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Why? He could just not contest the seat next time (who thought he was going to anyway?)Paristonda said:Perhaps the trigger for Dave resigning is that Witney is also going to be abolished in the boundary shake-up?
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Well, that was quite an hour:
Good: Bezos giving his plans for future rockets (yay!)
Bad: Cameron standing down
Brilliant: the little 'un having a 3 hour sleep!0 -
Did David Cameron spend more time as PM than he did as an MP?0
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Cameron out of politics before the age of 50. His 50th birthday is on 9th October.0
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The power is a bit less than the Falcon Heavy, but the faring is mahoosive !JosiasJessop said:
That's going to be a really serious rocket: it'll only have slightly less power than SpaceX's Falcon Heavy.Pulpstar said:Off topic: Jeff Bezos has just revealed Blue Origins' next rocket - New Glenn.
Looks like a serious bit of kit with a decently wide faring and 3.5 million pounds of thrust (Which would make it the most powerful rocket available right now I think)
It looks as though he's skipping 2.5 generations: the Falcon 1, Falcon 9 and Falcon 9 Heavy, and going to compete with whatever SpaceX do with their Raptor engine.
I *think* 23 feet diameter is bigger than the loading gauge for US railways and highways (a design constraint for rockets in the past), so it'll have to be constructed near site or transported by barge, as the Shuttle's External Tank was.
Exciting times for the space buff ...0 -
I wonder if Cameron paid May the courtesy of letting her know first? I can't see that he wouldn't have ... would he?0
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Tom Newton Dunn ✔
@tnewtondunn
Cameron: "Everything you do will become a big distraction from what the govt needs to do for our country". ie, I won't agree with Theresa.0 -
No.taffys said:Did David Cameron spend more time as PM than he did as an MP?
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George Eaton
Boundary review expected to cost Labour around 30 seats and the Lib Dems four. https://t.co/7lJC27MJ47 https://t.co/y3tqgRPKRN0 -
Very unlikely, it has almost the right number of voters, as do most Oxfordshire constituencies.Paristonda said:Perhaps the trigger for Dave resigning is that Witney is also going to be abolished in the boundary shake-up?
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The English boundary commission have said they will split wards this time. Many of the Tory shires have the right number of constituencies so only need minor tweaking (e.g. Berkshire only requires moving one ward from Slough to Windsor).Cookie said:
The way to get around this is to allow constituencies to be built on smaller building blocks than wards. I can't see any problem with splitting a ward between more than one constituency, although obviously it's not quite as neat. The building blocks are there - middle- and lower- level super output areas would do the trick.tpfkar said:
Nonsense. The knock-on of the inflexible 5% variation is that several seats have to be altered just to balance out one which isn't in quota. Count the "orphan" wards once we have the full proposals - constituencies containing a single ward from a local authority area, just there to get inside quota. It's the sort of thing that infuriates locally, and you didn't have in anything like the same number, before the 5% rule came in.RobD said:
Most MPs will actually be unaffected, given they are only reducing the chamber by less than 10%/Paristonda said:
Corbyn will have no seat? how much floorspace is there in the commons?MaxPB said:
Heart of stone etc...TheScreamingEagles said:Jeremy Corbyn’s Islington seat is to vanish from the map following the boundary changes, leaving Jez to fight it out for a new seat called Finsbury Park and Stoke Newington. Sources with intimate knowledge of the Boundary Review tell Guido that the new seat will take in the ward of Stamford Hill West in Hackney. Stamford Hill West forms part of a 30,000 strong Orthodox Jewish community. 37.6% of people living Stamford Hill West identify as Jewish.
http://order-order.com/2016/09/12/oy-vey-corbyns-new-seat-home-to-huge-jewish-community/
Might give the boundary reforms enough rebel Labour support to go through if these are confirmed.
“This is a problem that many MPs face every boundary review. Today this parliament is completely ram-packed."
The main areas with major changes will be Wales and the NE (both losing large numbers of seats), London (different combination of borough pairings to previously) and West Mids, Manchester, W & S Yorkshire metropolitan areas (large wards)0 -
Witney is above average, although perhaps the surrounding constituencies are not?Paristonda said:Perhaps the trigger for Dave resigning is that Witney is also going to be abolished in the boundary shake-up?
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Nick Robinson ✔ @bbcnickrobinson
Friends say Cameron unhappy at May scrapping his policies & distancing herself from him so obviously. Is that why he's quitting as an MP?0 -
Wondering if David Milliband might win it.0
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Lucky man. He has a lot to look forward to.AndyJS said:Cameron out of politics before the age of 50. His 50th birthday is on 9th October.
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I'm really struggling to believe Cameron is going for SecGen of the UN.0
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He's not.Casino_Royale said:I'm really struggling to believe Cameron is going for SecGen of the UN.
I reckon he's got his eye on the Presidency of the EU.0 -
Momentum Witney
On the anniversary of the triumph of our Great Leader Jeremy Corbyn, Momentum Witney has unseated David Cameron #jeremycallin0 -
Cameron's new position will be Crown Steward and Bailiff of the Manor of Northstead.0
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"continue in public service" several times in his interview.Casino_Royale said:
I presume you are well informed.TheScreamingEagles said:David Cameron next Secretary General of The United Nations.
You heard it here first.0 -
Julia Hartley Brewer
Anyone else agree with me that @DanielJHannan should run for @David_Cameron 's safe Witney seat...? Need more like Dan in Westminster.0 -
Happy Birthday!TheScreamingEagles said:
What a terrible birthday present.Tissue_Price said:
TSESlackbladder said:So, which tory who isn't an MP at the moment wants the safest of safe seats for the Tories?
I shall wear black for the rest of the day.
Now - with all due respect to you, your Tory-ness and your shoes - I think that we need an eloquent, experienced lady for the Witney seat. Someone tough-minded, someone who can spot bullshit and bullshitters at a thousand paces, someone used to dealing with egomaniacs with more puff than substance, someone with a sense of history and knowledge of other countries and, crucial this, someone who went to neither Eton nor a grammar school, etc. Being a Tory is a mere detail and really quite unimportant in the grand scheme of things.
A sense of impudence too......
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Oh, ok - thanks. In 2013 they struggled dreadfully with this - there were various local authorities (eg East and West Cheshire) where wards were so large and unhelpfully sized that they almost all had to cross boundaries purely so they could all have a small ward from an adjacent district to arrive at the allotted electorate.GarethoftheVale2 said:
The English boundary commission have said they will split wards this time. Many of the Tory shires have the right number of constituencies so only need minor tweaking (e.g. Berkshire only requires moving one ward from Slough to Windsor).Cookie said:
The way to get around this is to allow constituencies to be built on smaller building blocks than wards. I can't see any problem with splitting a ward between more than one constituency, although obviously it's not quite as neat. The building blocks are there - middle- and lower- level super output areas would do the trick.
The main areas with major changes will be Wales and the NE (both losing large numbers of seats), London (different combination of borough pairings to previously) and West Mids, Manchester, W & S Yorkshire metropolitan areas (large wards)
Manchester will be interesting - its population grew by about 25% (over 100,000, I think) between the last censuses (censi?), almost all close to the city centre. Though how many of these individuals made it onto the electoral register I don't know.0 -
Ann Coulter?Cyclefree said:
Happy Birthday!TheScreamingEagles said:
What a terrible birthday present.Tissue_Price said:
TSESlackbladder said:So, which tory who isn't an MP at the moment wants the safest of safe seats for the Tories?
I shall wear black for the rest of the day.
Now - with all due respect to you, your Tory-ness and your shoes - I think that we need an eloquent, experienced lady for the Witney seat. Someone tough-minded, someone who can spot bullshit and bullshitters at a thousand paces, someone used to dealing with egomaniacs with more puff than substance, someone with a sense of history and knowledge of other countries and, crucial this, someone who went to neither Eton nor a grammar school, etc. Being a Tory is a mere detail and really quite unimportant in the grand scheme of things.
A sense of impudence too......0 -
I'm currently reading Heppenheimer's 'The Space Shuttle Decision 1965-1972' (**), an official NASA book about how the Shuttle came about. (*) It tells quite a story about how rocket development was let down by a lack of direction from politicians and the top of NASA.Pulpstar said:
The power is a bit less than the Falcon Heavy, but the faring is mahoosive !JosiasJessop said:
That's going to be a really serious rocket: it'll only have slightly less power than SpaceX's Falcon Heavy.Pulpstar said:Off topic: Jeff Bezos has just revealed Blue Origins' next rocket - New Glenn.
Looks like a serious bit of kit with a decently wide faring and 3.5 million pounds of thrust (Which would make it the most powerful rocket available right now I think)
It looks as though he's skipping 2.5 generations: the Falcon 1, Falcon 9 and Falcon 9 Heavy, and going to compete with whatever SpaceX do with their Raptor engine.
I *think* 23 feet diameter is bigger than the loading gauge for US railways and highways (a design constraint for rockets in the past), so it'll have to be constructed near site or transported by barge, as the Shuttle's External Tank was.
Exciting times for the space buff ...
So much money was wasted as NASA directed companies to design different systems that there was not one ounce of political will to develop (NERVA anyone?).
I'm really hopeful that one of these two companies is focused (and rich!) enough to take us the next step, where governments have failed (the US through misdirection, Russia through poverty and China through lack of ambition).
(*) One of a three-part series; the second one about the Shuttle's development comes next!
(**) If you don't want a paper copy, it's available online at http://www.nss.org:8080/resources/library/shuttledecision/index.htm0 -
David Cameron took the Tory party from fewer than 200 MPs to a majority government whilst destroying the Lib Dems and driving Labour mad.0
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So the Witney nominations are going to be between you and JohnO, Witney Tory Association don't know how lucky they are.Cyclefree said:
Happy Birthday!TheScreamingEagles said:
What a terrible birthday present.Tissue_Price said:
TSESlackbladder said:So, which tory who isn't an MP at the moment wants the safest of safe seats for the Tories?
I shall wear black for the rest of the day.
Now - with all due respect to you, your Tory-ness and your shoes - I think that we need an eloquent, experienced lady for the Witney seat. Someone tough-minded, someone who can spot bullshit and bullshitters at a thousand paces, someone used to dealing with egomaniacs with more puff than substance, someone with a sense of history and knowledge of other countries and, crucial this, someone who went to neither Eton nor a grammar school, etc. Being a Tory is a mere detail and really quite unimportant in the grand scheme of things.
A sense of impudence too......0 -
Yes, but no way will they select Dan.PlatoSaid said:Julia Hartley Brewer
Anyone else agree with me that @DanielJHannan should run for @David_Cameron 's safe Witney seat...? Need more like Dan in Westminster.0 -
But could you handle the pay cut Ms Cyclefree?Cyclefree said:
Happy Birthday!TheScreamingEagles said:
What a terrible birthday present.Tissue_Price said:
TSESlackbladder said:So, which tory who isn't an MP at the moment wants the safest of safe seats for the Tories?
I shall wear black for the rest of the day.
Now - with all due respect to you, your Tory-ness and your shoes - I think that we need an eloquent, experienced lady for the Witney seat. Someone tough-minded, someone who can spot bullshit and bullshitters at a thousand paces, someone used to dealing with egomaniacs with more puff than substance, someone with a sense of history and knowledge of other countries and, crucial this, someone who went to neither Eton nor a grammar school, etc. Being a Tory is a mere detail and really quite unimportant in the grand scheme of things.
A sense of impudence too......0 -
Louise Mensch - she misses the old place.Sean_F said:
Ann Coulter?Cyclefree said:
Happy Birthday!TheScreamingEagles said:
What a terrible birthday present.Tissue_Price said:
TSESlackbladder said:So, which tory who isn't an MP at the moment wants the safest of safe seats for the Tories?
I shall wear black for the rest of the day.
Now - with all due respect to you, your Tory-ness and your shoes - I think that we need an eloquent, experienced lady for the Witney seat. Someone tough-minded, someone who can spot bullshit and bullshitters at a thousand paces, someone used to dealing with egomaniacs with more puff than substance, someone with a sense of history and knowledge of other countries and, crucial this, someone who went to neither Eton nor a grammar school, etc. Being a Tory is a mere detail and really quite unimportant in the grand scheme of things.
A sense of impudence too......0 -
Surprised and a little disappointed by Dave's resignation as an MP.
A good man of whom I have been proud, but who seemingly, like Blair, lost touch with his people in the later years of his PMship...0 -
Yet, paradoxically, it would have been better for him had he not destroyed the Lib Dems.TheScreamingEagles said:David Cameron took the Tory party from fewer than 200 MPs to a majority government whilst destroying the Lib Dems and driving Labour mad.
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Dan Hannan! Yes. I think he's great.PlatoSaid said:Julia Hartley Brewer
Anyone else agree with me that @DanielJHannan should run for @David_Cameron 's safe Witney seat...? Need more like Dan in Westminster.0 -
What a great idea.Patrick said:
Dan Hannan! Yes. I think he's great.PlatoSaid said:Julia Hartley Brewer
Anyone else agree with me that @DanielJHannan should run for @David_Cameron 's safe Witney seat...? Need more like Dan in Westminster.
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Happy Birthday.TheScreamingEagles said:
What a terrible birthday present.Tissue_Price said:
TSESlackbladder said:So, which tory who isn't an MP at the moment wants the safest of safe seats for the Tories?
I shall wear black for the rest of the day.0 -
Shame about Cameron. Given his age, after perhaps the next election I could easily see him being senior Cabinet member, and a good one.0
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Charles Cross
.@JuliaHB1 @DanielJHannan @David_Cameron Does the European Parliament have Les Centaines de Chilternes or something like?0 -
Yup, I wrote about that a few weeks ago.Sean_F said:
Yet, paradoxically, it would have been better for him had he not destroyed the Lib Dems.TheScreamingEagles said:David Cameron took the Tory party from fewer than 200 MPs to a majority government whilst destroying the Lib Dems and driving Labour mad.
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/07/24/wiping-out-the-lib-dems-might-have-been-camerons-greatest-strategic-mistake-as-pm/0 -
Mr. Royale, Hannan should be in the Commons. Hope he gets in next time (indeed, that he stands).
Mr. Betting, didn't Mr. Eagles say it was his birthday?0 -
Chris Terry
Cameron says, unconvincingly, he wants to be remembered for holding the EU referendum.
The one that he lost and resigned over. That one.0 -
Maybe Douglas Hurd would like his old constituency back again.0
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Interesting.TOPPING said:
"continue in public service" several times in his interview.Casino_Royale said:
I presume you are well informed.TheScreamingEagles said:David Cameron next Secretary General of The United Nations.
You heard it here first.0 -
Was it even intentional? Targeting the LDs was, but that it would be so successful?TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, I wrote about that a few weeks ago.Sean_F said:
Yet, paradoxically, it would have been better for him had he not destroyed the Lib Dems.TheScreamingEagles said:David Cameron took the Tory party from fewer than 200 MPs to a majority government whilst destroying the Lib Dems and driving Labour mad.
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/07/24/wiping-out-the-lib-dems-might-have-been-camerons-greatest-strategic-mistake-as-pm/0 -
How nailed-on are the Tories here? I'm still struggling to move out of the 1989-2014 mindset wherein the governing Conservatives always lost by-elections, no matter how safe. But it's hard to see any of the opposition parties making the enormous heave required here?JohnO said:
Oh well, if I can't get a peerage, perhaps I'll get his seat.TheScreamingEagles said:The reason Dave has quit. He didn't want to vote regularly against Theresa May's government, he didn't want to become the incredible sulk.
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This could all be very good news for May. If the Cameroons lose Dave and Osborne, the head has been cut off the snake, and I don't see any organised rebellion forming from the remnants. With Gove appearing to convert over Grammar Schools as well, she may find Tory 'Wet'/Moderniser opposition no longer much of an issue, and will be more able to focus on pleasing the Brexiteers. A true blue Tory government from May seems more and more likely by the day.0
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Oxfordshire keeps 6 seats, however, there will need to be some shuffling around as Banbury constituency is too large and so Banbury and Bicester will have to be split up.RobD said:
Witney is above average, although perhaps the surrounding constituencies are not?Paristonda said:Perhaps the trigger for Dave resigning is that Witney is also going to be abolished in the boundary shake-up?
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Hey, WItney has had several years of Labour representation.Cookie said:
How nailed-on are the Tories here? I'm still struggling to move out of the 1989-2014 mindset wherein the governing Conservatives always lost by-elections, no matter how safe. But it's hard to see any of the opposition parties making the enormous heave required here?JohnO said:
Oh well, if I can't get a peerage, perhaps I'll get his seat.TheScreamingEagles said:The reason Dave has quit. He didn't want to vote regularly against Theresa May's government, he didn't want to become the incredible sulk.
Granted, that was due to crossing the floor.0 -
He hired Sir Lynton Crosby to ensure it happened.kle4 said:
Was it even intentional? Targeting the LDs was, but that it would be so successful?TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, I wrote about that a few weeks ago.Sean_F said:
Yet, paradoxically, it would have been better for him had he not destroyed the Lib Dems.TheScreamingEagles said:David Cameron took the Tory party from fewer than 200 MPs to a majority government whilst destroying the Lib Dems and driving Labour mad.
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/07/24/wiping-out-the-lib-dems-might-have-been-camerons-greatest-strategic-mistake-as-pm/
One day I might even do a thread on it.0 -
He has undoubtedly shown himself to be a barefaced liar when it comes to declaring his intentions.TheScreamingEagles said:David Cameron took the Tory party from fewer than 200 MPs to a majority government whilst destroying the Lib Dems and driving Labour mad.
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Off Topic (Bored with discussing Corbyn ceaselessly)
If not Tim Kaine, then who else could replace Hillary ..... once fancied Paul Ryan for instance is currently available on Betfair at 700.-1 -
Probably many reasons. His family's still young.TCPoliticalBetting said:Nick Robinson ✔ @bbcnickrobinson
Friends say Cameron unhappy at May scrapping his policies & distancing herself from him so obviously. Is that why he's quitting as an MP?
I can't see Sam letting him take another major role, especially one that'll take him out of the country a great deal. She wants her hubby (and life) back.0 -
May was moderniser way before Cameron and Osborne got involved.Paristonda said:This could all be very good news for May. If the Cameroons lose Dave and Osborne, the head has been cut off the snake, and I don't see any organised rebellion forming from the remnants. With Gove appearing to convert over Grammar Schools as well, she may find Tory 'Wet'/Moderniser opposition no longer much of an issue, and will be more able to focus on pleasing the Brexiteers. A true blue Tory government from May seems more and more likely by the day.
They're centrist Liberals, not Tory Modernisers.0 -
Miss Plato, bit like Crassus saying he wants to be remembered for when he went to avenge his son.
Which led to his army being annihilated and his own death by the creative, if horrible, means of having molten gold poured down his throat.0 -
Cameron: the new EU ambassador to Britain?
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But an interesting by election in a seat where leave only just won.Paristonda said:This could all be very good news for May. If the Cameroons lose Dave and Osborne, the head has been cut off the snake, and I don't see any organised rebellion forming from the remnants. With Gove appearing to convert over Grammar Schools as well, she may find Tory 'Wet'/Moderniser opposition no longer much of an issue, and will be more able to focus on pleasing the Brexiteers. A true blue Tory government from May seems more and more likely by the day.
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This is also good for Labour in 2020.justin124 said:
He has undoubtedly shown himself to be a barefaced liar when it comes to declaring his intentions.TheScreamingEagles said:David Cameron took the Tory party from fewer than 200 MPs to a majority government whilst destroying the Lib Dems and driving Labour mad.
The last time an ex PM resigned as an MP mid Parliament, his party lost power at the next general election.
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