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Discounting the vascular dementia and some of the more out there theories, it could of course be simple aftershocks from her fall and concussion in 2012. All very understandable, especially at here age, but presumably deemed not appropriate or helpful to admit it.FrancisUrquhart said:
It seemed rather similar to those other two clips of strange Clinton behaviour. Perhaps she had pneumonia then too.TOPPING said:
I know our resident doctor put it down to simple fainting but there was, to my couldn't be less trained eye, something of a fit about her collapse. That is what is so disturbing.Ishmael_X said:
I tend to agree; I am just expounding the theory, not endorsing it.GIN1138 said:
Well I think "Pretend Hilary" looks/sounds more like "REAL Hilary" than "Fainting Hilary"?Ishmael_X said:
Real Hillary faints, gets taken to daughter's apartment. Pretend Hillary is smuggled into apartment building, emerges 90 mins later to say everything now fine.GIN1138 said:
If this isn't THE Hilary what the "fainting" episode all about? It's bad luck for the real Mrs Clinton to be ill AND the actress/impostor to be taken ill at the same time?weejonnie said:
I don't know whether this is good or bad for her - If it isn't her, the only reason is that she was too ill to take part in the commemoration - so how does that help her? I note she has cancelled fund-raising trips to the land of milk and honey - which she presumably wouldn't have done if she had recovered enough to be dancing in the street with a young girl.GIN1138 said:
Bill Clinton: I'll just pop upstairs and ask her to stop dying and then you call come up and identify her!MaxPB said:
New conspiracy theories!
She may have pneumonia (or heatstroke etc) - if not why not admit it? Anyone can have a short illness totally unrelated to their age or chronic conditions (if any).
I have no experience, thankfully, of pneumonia so have no idea if her post-diagnosis, pre-public appearances were symptomatic of having it.0 -
There's stuff on youtube - especially one of her clinging to her husband and rolling her eyes, which make me think it isn't just pneumonia.TOPPING said:
I know our resident doctor put it down to simple fainting but there was, to my couldn't be less trained eye, something of a fit about her collapse. That is what is so disturbing.Ishmael_X said:
I tend to agree; I am just expounding the theory, not endorsing it.GIN1138 said:
Well I think "Pretend Hilary" looks/sounds more like "REAL Hilary" than "Fainting Hilary"?Ishmael_X said:
Real Hillary faints, gets taken to daughter's apartment. Pretend Hillary is smuggled into apartment building, emerges 90 mins later to say everything now fine.GIN1138 said:
If this isn't THE Hilary what the "fainting" episode all about? It's bad luck for the real Mrs Clinton to be ill AND the actress/impostor to be taken ill at the same time?weejonnie said:
I don't know whether this is good or bad for her - If it isn't her, the only reason is that she was too ill to take part in the commemoration - so how does that help her? I note she has cancelled fund-raising trips to the land of milk and honey - which she presumably wouldn't have done if she had recovered enough to be dancing in the street with a young girl.GIN1138 said:
Bill Clinton: I'll just pop upstairs and ask her to stop dying and then you call come up and identify her!MaxPB said:
New conspiracy theories!
She may have pneumonia (or heatstroke etc) - if not why not admit it? Anyone can have a short illness totally unrelated to their age or chronic conditions (if any).
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Again you have to remember what candidates say as candidates and what they do once elected are often two entirely different things. I'm concerned Trump will abrogate Article 5 of the NATO Treaty but he probably won't. He'll obviously favour America's interest first and foremost as you'd expect and that may not be as positive for the UK as the pre-election rhetoric.HYUFD said:
The main positive for Trump in UK terms is he backed Brexit unlike Hillary. However in the round Hillary would still probably be a better choice for Britain
For all the anger toward Obama and his ill-judged intervention in the EU Referendum, he only said what every other American President has said since 1973 - Washington has liked and wanted us to be part of the EU. Now we are leaving and relationships will be re-evaluated.
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Paging Justin....
ICM Poll
Conservatives: 41% (no change)
Labour: 28% (up 1)
Ukip: 13% (no change)
Lib Dems: 9% (no change)
Greens: 4% (no change)
ICM interviewed 2,013 people online between 9 and 11 September.0 -
Quite helpful on process
http://heatst.com/politics/health-watch-what-happens-if-hillary-clinton-has-to-drop-out/?mod=sm_tw_post
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''Now we are leaving and relationships will be re-evaluated.''
Indeed. Eurocrats might see us for the true friend and staunch ally for Western Europe that we still are, Brexit notwithstanding.
You never know.0 -
Labour on the rise.TheScreamingEagles said:Paging Justin....
ICM Poll
Conservatives: 41% (no change)
Labour: 28% (up 1)
Ukip: 13% (no change)
Lib Dems: 9% (no change)
Greens: 4% (no change)
ICM interviewed 2,013 people online between 9 and 11 September.0 -
Tory boundary changes? Surely the Electoral Commission's ...rottenborough said:
Not quite as exciting as it sounds. Looks like he'll be slotted into the replacement.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
... and the only party that's on the rise. How cool is that?Pulpstar said:
Labour on the rise.TheScreamingEagles said:Paging Justin....
ICM Poll
Conservatives: 41% (no change)
Labour: 28% (up 1)
Ukip: 13% (no change)
Lib Dems: 9% (no change)
Greens: 4% (no change)
ICM interviewed 2,013 people online between 9 and 11 September.0 -
It doesn't take a doctor to see this wasn't a simple faint. She was in real trouble before the collapse, her posture was so rigid yet she clearly was not unconscious at that point.TOPPING said:
I know our resident doctor put it down to simple fainting but there was, to my couldn't be less trained eye, something of a fit about her collapse. That is what is so disturbing.Ishmael_X said:
I tend to agree; I am just expounding the theory, not endorsing it.GIN1138 said:
Well I think "Pretend Hilary" looks/sounds more like "REAL Hilary" than "Fainting Hilary"?Ishmael_X said:
Real Hillary faints, gets taken to daughter's apartment. Pretend Hillary is smuggled into apartment building, emerges 90 mins later to say everything now fine.GIN1138 said:
If this isn't THE Hilary what the "fainting" episode all about? It's bad luck for the real Mrs Clinton to be ill AND the actress/impostor to be taken ill at the same time?weejonnie said:
I don't know whether this is good or bad for her - If it isn't her, the only reason is that she was too ill to take part in the commemoration - so how does that help her? I note she has cancelled fund-raising trips to the land of milk and honey - which she presumably wouldn't have done if she had recovered enough to be dancing in the street with a young girl.GIN1138 said:
Bill Clinton: I'll just pop upstairs and ask her to stop dying and then you call come up and identify her!MaxPB said:
New conspiracy theories!
She may have pneumonia (or heatstroke etc) - if not why not admit it? Anyone can have a short illness totally unrelated to their age or chronic conditions (if any).
And Hillary has Pneumonia as much as I do. If they are going to these lengths to cover whatever it is up then it must be pretty damn serious.0 -
With Parliamentary Boundaries being published tomorrow, Returning Officers across the Country have been shown the results under embargo. Whilst not revealing precisely where the boundaries have fallen to me, it's clear in conversation that the Commission have taken their task of getting within tolerance extremely literally.
The new boundaries are no respecters of the underlying Local Government Council geography and previously hard boundaries like rivers are being crossed with abandon.
This is more than a mere tinkering around the edges. It is a wholesale reorganisation. In particular, leafy suburbs will be joined to socialist City heartlands making them each-way marginals indicating to me that the effect on seat numbers may be significantly higher than previously thought.
Mind you, the initial boundaries are nearly always moved in the consultation, but this is a real earthquake if the preliminary indications are representative of the whole country.
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Trump will certainly put America first but we know he will not favour the EU over the UK, unlike Hillarystodge said:
Again you have to remember what candidates say as candidates and what they do once elected are often two entirely different things. I'm concerned Trump will abrogate Article 5 of the NATO Treaty but he probably won't. He'll obviously favour America's interest first and foremost as you'd expect and that may not be as positive for the UK as the pre-election rhetoric.HYUFD said:
The main positive for Trump in UK terms is he backed Brexit unlike Hillary. However in the round Hillary would still probably be a better choice for Britain
For all the anger toward Obama and his ill-judged intervention in the EU Referendum, he only said what every other American President has said since 1973 - Washington has liked and wanted us to be part of the EU. Now we are leaving and relationships will be re-evaluated.0 -
Yep, and their rise is infinitely greater than all the other parties combined.Richard_Nabavi said:
... and the only party that's on the rise. How cool is that?Pulpstar said:
Labour on the rise.TheScreamingEagles said:Paging Justin....
ICM Poll
Conservatives: 41% (no change)
Labour: 28% (up 1)
Ukip: 13% (no change)
Lib Dems: 9% (no change)
Greens: 4% (no change)
ICM interviewed 2,013 people online between 9 and 11 September.
Amazing stuff.0 -
Now up to 1983 level!Pulpstar said:
Labour on the rise.TheScreamingEagles said:Paging Justin....
ICM Poll
Conservatives: 41% (no change)
Labour: 28% (up 1)
Ukip: 13% (no change)
Lib Dems: 9% (no change)
Greens: 4% (no change)
ICM interviewed 2,013 people online between 9 and 11 September.0 -
Nailed on Labour victory due to 1929 GE result in Acton...TheScreamingEagles said:Paging Justin....
ICM Poll
Conservatives: 41% (no change)
Labour: 28% (up 1)
Ukip: 13% (no change)
Lib Dems: 9% (no change)
Greens: 4% (no change)
ICM interviewed 2,013 people online between 9 and 11 September.0 -
Is there ever such a thing as "simple fainting"?TOPPING said:
I know our resident doctor put it down to simple fainting but there was, to my couldn't be less trained eye, something of a fit about her collapse. That is what is so disturbing.Ishmael_X said:
I tend to agree; I am just expounding the theory, not endorsing it.GIN1138 said:
Well I think "Pretend Hilary" looks/sounds more like "REAL Hilary" than "Fainting Hilary"?Ishmael_X said:
Real Hillary faints, gets taken to daughter's apartment. Pretend Hillary is smuggled into apartment building, emerges 90 mins later to say everything now fine.GIN1138 said:
If this isn't THE Hilary what the "fainting" episode all about? It's bad luck for the real Mrs Clinton to be ill AND the actress/impostor to be taken ill at the same time?weejonnie said:
I don't know whether this is good or bad for her - If it isn't her, the only reason is that she was too ill to take part in the commemoration - so how does that help her? I note she has cancelled fund-raising trips to the land of milk and honey - which she presumably wouldn't have done if she had recovered enough to be dancing in the street with a young girl.GIN1138 said:
Bill Clinton: I'll just pop upstairs and ask her to stop dying and then you call come up and identify her!MaxPB said:
New conspiracy theories!
She may have pneumonia (or heatstroke etc) - if not why not admit it? Anyone can have a short illness totally unrelated to their age or chronic conditions (if any).0 -
Labour surge!TheScreamingEagles said:Paging Justin....
ICM Poll
Conservatives: 41% (no change)
Labour: 28% (up 1)
Ukip: 13% (no change)
Lib Dems: 9% (no change)
Greens: 4% (no change)
ICM interviewed 2,013 people online between 9 and 11 September.0 -
That sounds like a good thing to me.bunnco said:It is a wholesale reorganisation. In particular, leafy suburbs will be joined to socialist City heartlands making them each-way marginals
Bunnco - Your Man on the Spot
Of course Labour won't be able to take advantage at the next GE, but that is neither here nor there wrt the boundaries.0 -
Good. The boundaries have been unchanged for so long that they needed to be junked and started again anyway.bunnco said:This is more than a mere tinkering around the edges. It is a wholesale reorganisation.
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I am in the Occam's Razor camp, rather than some of the more outlandish conspiracy theories.TOPPING said:
Discounting the vascular dementia and some of the more out there theories, it could of course be simple aftershocks from her fall and concussion in 2012. All very understandable, especially at here age, but presumably deemed not appropriate or helpful to admit it.FrancisUrquhart said:
It seemed rather similar to those other two clips of strange Clinton behaviour. Perhaps she had pneumonia then too.TOPPING said:
I know our resident doctor put it down to simple fainting but there was, to my couldn't be less trained eye, something of a fit about her collapse. That is what is so disturbing.Ishmael_X said:
I tend to agree; I am just expounding the theory, not endorsing it.GIN1138 said:
Well I think "Pretend Hilary" looks/sounds more like "REAL Hilary" than "Fainting Hilary"?Ishmael_X said:
Real Hillary faints, gets taken to daughter's apartment. Pretend Hillary is smuggled into apartment building, emerges 90 mins later to say everything now fine.GIN1138 said:
If this isn't THE Hilary what the "fainting" episode all about? It's bad luck for the real Mrs Clinton to be ill AND the actress/impostor to be taken ill at the same time?weejonnie said:
I don't know whether this is good or bad for her - If it isn't her, the only reason is that she was too ill to take part in the commemoration - so how does that help her? I note she has cancelled fund-raising trips to the land of milk and honey - which she presumably wouldn't have done if she had recovered enough to be dancing in the street with a young girl.GIN1138 said:
Bill Clinton: I'll just pop upstairs and ask her to stop dying and then you call come up and identify her!MaxPB said:
New conspiracy theories!
She may have pneumonia (or heatstroke etc) - if not why not admit it? Anyone can have a short illness totally unrelated to their age or chronic conditions (if any).
I have no experience, thankfully, of pneumonia so have no idea if her post-diagnosis, pre-public appearances were symptomatic of having it.
She has had serious health issues in the past, which her team claim she has no problems relating to anything from them today.
But more likely probably still suffers some ongoing issues and more vulnerable to picking up illnesses, but the campaign don't want to admit that she can't do 20hr days / 7 days a week, especially given Duracell bunny routine that Trump does.0 -
Jim Hoft
BREAKING: Donald Trump to Release Results of His Physical on Dr. Oz This Week https://t.co/42dcIa89Gb via @gatewaypundit0 -
Well, should be fun I suppose. There could be some really odd proposals, but to be frank its not as though we were immune to those. I live in a town with a 1500 person 'village' entirely contiguous with the town and has been for a long long time, always in the same district or community area, but in differently parliamentary seats.bunnco said:With Parliamentary Boundaries being published tomorrow, Returning Officers across the Country have been shown the results under embargo. Whilst not revealing precisely where the boundaries have fallen to me, it's clear in conversation that the Commission have taken their task of getting within tolerance extremely literally.
The new boundaries are no respecters of the underlying Local Government Council geography and previously hard boundaries like rivers are being crossed with abandon.
This is more than a mere tinkering around the edges. It is a wholesale reorganisation. In particular, leafy suburbs will be joined to socialist City heartlands making them each-way marginals indicating to me that the effect on seat numbers may be significantly higher than previously thought.
Mind you, the initial boundaries are nearly always moved in the consultation, but this is a real earthquake if the preliminary indications are representative of the whole country.
Bunnco - Your Man on the Spot0 -
Good afternoon, everyone.
Peace may come in the form of abject surrender by the PLP.0 -
Paul Singh
So any new seat Corbyn will have to win contains at least 30000 Jewish voters....keep coming back to two words - Karma & schadenfreude0 -
I don't, but health concerns are still serious even if presidents and health has been an issue in the past much more seriously.stodge said:Afternoon all
Given the history of American Presidents and their health, I'm surprised anyone is bothered at all by Hillary Clinton's health issue. First, let me wish her well - pneumonia isn't pleasant but it can be overcome.
I'm puzzled by the wave of anti-Clinton hysteria on here. No one has explained to me how a Trump Presidency would benefit Britain let alone America. If I had a vote in the US election, I wouldn't be backing the Donald under any circumstances. I do accept neither candidate is an FDR or a Reagan but it is a transition before the next wave of younger candidates emerges.
Trump is simply a mirror on which people reflect their anger, sense of entitlement, loss of identity etc. I've yet to hear a scintilla of a constructive programme or policy beyond building a wall and of course tax cuts for the wealthy.
Apart from some desire to "kick the Establishment", why would anyone vote for Trump or want to see him win ?
And the anti-clinton stuff is only part those who like Trump. That she is at best underwhelming and even for a politician her spinning is legendary which just makes it easy to mock her or seek fantasy alternatives. I think DavidL this am suggested pneumonia which she pushed through to not miss an event is a reasonable explanation for what occurred, and I'd agree, but there was dissembling and falsehoods before that came out which is worrisome.0 -
And then Dr Oz will probably recommend some whacky alternative therapy to cure his minor aliments....PlatoSaid said:Jim Hoft
BREAKING: Donald Trump to Release Results of His Physical on Dr. Oz This Week https://t.co/42dcIa89Gb via @gatewaypundit0 -
Genuine question. What sort of travel rights do people expect we will get in the EU?0
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That will be no problem, as the Labour party have no issues with Antisemitism...now Jezza whose that Hamas supporting bloke you are sharing a platform with in a few days...PlatoSaid said:Paul Singh
So any new seat Corbyn will have to win contains at least 30000 Jewish voters....keep coming back to two words - Karma & schadenfreude0 -
Drudge
TRUMP: LET'S DEBATE WITHOUT A MODERATOR... https://t.co/PkZCfXyGr80 -
Miss Plato, that's quite fitting.0
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That is so interwoven with everything else, you are really asking "what does brexit mean?"FrankBooth said:Genuine question. What sort of travel rights do people expect we will get in the EU?
Having said that I don't foresee visas for short visits.0 -
It's worth pointing out that Stamford Hill is currently in Hackney N which has a 24k majority. Corbyn will be just fine. I believe some of the Jewish community there are quite strict and so don't vote.PlatoSaid said:Paul Singh
So any new seat Corbyn will have to win contains at least 30000 Jewish voters....keep coming back to two words - Karma & schadenfreude0 -
Exactly the same as outside the EU if we remain outside schenegan I suspectFrankBooth said:Genuine question. What sort of travel rights do people expect we will get in the EU?
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For short term visitors I expect it to be a stamp on arrival, business people may need to get e-visas to attend conferences or meetings.FrankBooth said:Genuine question. What sort of travel rights do people expect we will get in the EU?
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TelegraphMTimT said:
Tory boundary changes? Surely the Electoral Commission's ...rottenborough said:
Not quite as exciting as it sounds. Looks like he'll be slotted into the replacement.TheScreamingEagles said:
"George Osborne's seat to vanish from the map too
The Boundary Commission is understood to have abolished former Chancellor George Osborne's seat as part of a review into parliamentary constituencies.
Half of his Tatton Park seat will go to Graham Brady and the other half to David Rutley, the MP for Macclesfield, it is understood."
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This is enormous fun
Kate McCann
I understand George Osborne's seat is also set to go in the boundary changes. divided up between Graham Brady and David Rutley ...0 -
Easy excuse to bow out of politics then. He's young enough to come back in 10 years, but probably not worth the effort to stick around.TCPoliticalBetting said:
TelegraphMTimT said:
Tory boundary changes? Surely the Electoral Commission's ...rottenborough said:
Not quite as exciting as it sounds. Looks like he'll be slotted into the replacement.TheScreamingEagles said:
"George Osborne's seat to vanish from the map too
The Boundary Commission is understood to have abolished former Chancellor George Osborne's seat as part of a review into parliamentary constituencies.
Half of his Tatton Park seat will go to Graham Brady and the other half to David Rutley, the MP for Macclesfield, it is understood."0 -
I can't see that happening. It will be pretty much as it is now.MaxPB said:
For short term visitors I expect it to be a stamp on arrival, business people may need to get e-visas to attend conferences or meetings.FrankBooth said:Genuine question. What sort of travel rights do people expect we will get in the EU?
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Is that Neil Hamilton / Martin Bell seat?kle4 said:
Easy excuse to bow out of politics then. He's young enough to come back in 10 years, but probably not worth the effort to stick around.TCPoliticalBetting said:
TelegraphMTimT said:
Tory boundary changes? Surely the Electoral Commission's ...rottenborough said:
Not quite as exciting as it sounds. Looks like he'll be slotted into the replacement.TheScreamingEagles said:
"George Osborne's seat to vanish from the map too
The Boundary Commission is understood to have abolished former Chancellor George Osborne's seat as part of a review into parliamentary constituencies.
Half of his Tatton Park seat will go to Graham Brady and the other half to David Rutley, the MP for Macclesfield, it is understood."0 -
''This is enormous fun.''
True but the real laugh is watching labour defend small constituencies with bullsh8t excuses not unlike those of 19 century tories defending rotten boroughs.0 -
The main countries which would benefit from a Trump presidency are Russia, Israel and the UK in that order. Most other nations would do better under Hillarystodge said:
Though he may favour Russia over both the EU and the UK.HYUFD said:
Trump will certainly put America first but we know he will not favour the EU over the UK, unlike Hillary-1 -
That's the one.PlatoSaid said:
Is that Neil Hamilton / Martin Bell seat?kle4 said:
Easy excuse to bow out of politics then. He's young enough to come back in 10 years, but probably not worth the effort to stick around.TCPoliticalBetting said:
TelegraphMTimT said:
Tory boundary changes? Surely the Electoral Commission's ...rottenborough said:
Not quite as exciting as it sounds. Looks like he'll be slotted into the replacement.TheScreamingEagles said:
"George Osborne's seat to vanish from the map too
The Boundary Commission is understood to have abolished former Chancellor George Osborne's seat as part of a review into parliamentary constituencies.
Half of his Tatton Park seat will go to Graham Brady and the other half to David Rutley, the MP for Macclesfield, it is understood."0 -
We currently have VoA or some form of visa-free travel with 175 countries. I'm not expecting that much to change.FrankBooth said:Genuine question. What sort of travel rights do people expect we will get in the EU?
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If we leave the single market then both sides will want a way of tracking arrivals and departures of tourists.SouthamObserver said:
I can't see that happening. It will be pretty much as it is now.MaxPB said:
For short term visitors I expect it to be a stamp on arrival, business people may need to get e-visas to attend conferences or meetings.FrankBooth said:Genuine question. What sort of travel rights do people expect we will get in the EU?
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If he had said that he would prefer the UK to remain in the EU then that is one thing - and might have worked - but to threaten the British 'we will be at the back of the queue' was beyond the pale. Someone needs to hire a few psychologists for their campaign.stodge said:
Again you have to remember what candidates say as candidates and what they do once elected are often two entirely different things. I'm concerned Trump will abrogate Article 5 of the NATO Treaty but he probably won't. He'll obviously favour America's interest first and foremost as you'd expect and that may not be as positive for the UK as the pre-election rhetoric.HYUFD said:
The main positive for Trump in UK terms is he backed Brexit unlike Hillary. However in the round Hillary would still probably be a better choice for Britain
For all the anger toward Obama and his ill-judged intervention in the EU Referendum, he only said what every other American President has said since 1973 - Washington has liked and wanted us to be part of the EU. Now we are leaving and relationships will be re-evaluated.0 -
Even more hilariously, if that is true it will put him up against Diane Abbott, who currently represents Stoke Newington.TheScreamingEagles said:Jeremy Corbyn’s Islington seat is to vanish from the map following the boundary changes, leaving Jez to fight it out for a new seat called Finsbury Park and Stoke Newington. Sources with intimate knowledge of the Boundary Review tell Guido that the new seat will take in the ward of Stamford Hill West in Hackney. Stamford Hill West forms part of a 30,000 strong Orthodox Jewish community. 37.6% of people living Stamford Hill West identify as Jewish.
http://order-order.com/2016/09/12/oy-vey-corbyns-new-seat-home-to-huge-jewish-community/
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Hillary Clinton's schedule:
Wed 14 Sep: appearance on Ellen DeGeneres TV show
Wed 14 Sep: rally in Las Vegas
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I see many Leavers are STILL laying into Obama for stating the obvious, and restating long-standing US policy.
Guys, the war is over. You won. What's wrong with you, that you are still bitter? It's normally the losing side which can't get over it.0 -
Abbott will bend over backwards to accomodate Jez.SouthamObserver said:
Even more hilariously, if that is true it will put him up against Diane Abbott, who currently represents Stoke Newington.TheScreamingEagles said:Jeremy Corbyn’s Islington seat is to vanish from the map following the boundary changes, leaving Jez to fight it out for a new seat called Finsbury Park and Stoke Newington. Sources with intimate knowledge of the Boundary Review tell Guido that the new seat will take in the ward of Stamford Hill West in Hackney. Stamford Hill West forms part of a 30,000 strong Orthodox Jewish community. 37.6% of people living Stamford Hill West identify as Jewish.
http://order-order.com/2016/09/12/oy-vey-corbyns-new-seat-home-to-huge-jewish-community/0 -
In science-fiction stories, you can tell a doppelganger by the bad teeth, so in the USA you should spot them straight away.
What is sure is that we'll never get the truth unless it's in their interest to tell it.
I suspect Hillary will still win. There are plenty of American women who would vote for her corpse rather than a live man, particularly if it's Trump.
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I think that what is changing is that the internet now makes it dead easy to issue a visa (or a 'visa waiver') online very quickly. Given the concerns about terrorism in Europe, that makes it very likely that the UK and the EU will both go down that route.John_M said:
We currently have VoA or some form of visa-free travel with 175 countries. I'm not expecting that much to change.FrankBooth said:Genuine question. What sort of travel rights do people expect we will get in the EU?
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:shocked:Pulpstar said:
Abbott will bend over backwards to accomodate Jez.SouthamObserver said:
Even more hilariously, if that is true it will put him up against Diane Abbott, who currently represents Stoke Newington.TheScreamingEagles said:Jeremy Corbyn’s Islington seat is to vanish from the map following the boundary changes, leaving Jez to fight it out for a new seat called Finsbury Park and Stoke Newington. Sources with intimate knowledge of the Boundary Review tell Guido that the new seat will take in the ward of Stamford Hill West in Hackney. Stamford Hill West forms part of a 30,000 strong Orthodox Jewish community. 37.6% of people living Stamford Hill West identify as Jewish.
http://order-order.com/2016/09/12/oy-vey-corbyns-new-seat-home-to-huge-jewish-community/0 -
We'll never know how much difference that comment made. It was ill-advised at best and guaranteed to be incendiary to the LEAVE campaign. It was an integral part of the REMAIN-sponsored and Cameron-backed Project Fear.weejonnie said:
If he had said that he would prefer the UK to remain in the EU then that is one thing - and might have worked - but to threaten the British 'we will be at the back of the queue' was beyond the pale. Someone needs to hire a few psychologists for their campaign.0 -
I'm not bitter - just pointing out an error in the opponent's tactics.Richard_Nabavi said:I see many Leavers are STILL laying into Obama for stating the obvious, and restating long-standing US policy.
Guys, the war is over. You won. What's wrong with you, that you are still bitter? It's normally the losing side which can't get over it.0 -
If it turns out that the boundary review has completely rejigged the constituency map and therefore probably done more damage to conservative seats than initially thought, it could run the risk of being abandoned entirely. I can't see many individual Tory MPs being convinced on putting themselves out of a job just to stick it to Labour, even if it is in the greater good for the conservative party.kle4 said:
Easy excuse to bow out of politics then. He's young enough to come back in 10 years, but probably not worth the effort to stick around.TCPoliticalBetting said:
TelegraphMTimT said:
Tory boundary changes? Surely the Electoral Commission's ...rottenborough said:
Not quite as exciting as it sounds. Looks like he'll be slotted into the replacement.TheScreamingEagles said:
"George Osborne's seat to vanish from the map too
The Boundary Commission is understood to have abolished former Chancellor George Osborne's seat as part of a review into parliamentary constituencies.
Half of his Tatton Park seat will go to Graham Brady and the other half to David Rutley, the MP for Macclesfield, it is understood."0 -
I imagine it will just be filling in a card on the plane/ferry/train and handing it over at passport control for everyone, not just tourists.MaxPB said:
If we leave the single market then both sides will want a way of tracking arrivals and departures of tourists.SouthamObserver said:
I can't see that happening. It will be pretty much as it is now.MaxPB said:
For short term visitors I expect it to be a stamp on arrival, business people may need to get e-visas to attend conferences or meetings.FrankBooth said:Genuine question. What sort of travel rights do people expect we will get in the EU?
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Obama is reason Trump is running. He has overseen a huge rise in inequality in the US and chronic underemployment. He is without any doubt one of the worst post-war US Presidents. In addition US foreign policy is a mess and his term will come to a final ignominious end with a capitulation to Russia over Syria.Richard_Nabavi said:I see many Leavers are STILL laying into Obama for stating the obvious, and restating long-standing US policy.
Guys, the war is over. You won. What's wrong with you, that you are still bitter? It's normally the losing side which can't get over it.0 -
Which is then input into the brand new, fault-free IT system to catch out illegitimate fruit pickers in Lincolnshire from genuine ones.SouthamObserver said:
I imagine it will just be filling in a card on the plane/ferry/train and handing it over at passport control for everyone, not just tourists.MaxPB said:
If we leave the single market then both sides will want a way of tracking arrivals and departures of tourists.SouthamObserver said:
I can't see that happening. It will be pretty much as it is now.MaxPB said:
For short term visitors I expect it to be a stamp on arrival, business people may need to get e-visas to attend conferences or meetings.FrankBooth said:Genuine question. What sort of travel rights do people expect we will get in the EU?
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Who else if not just tourists? I highly doubt that the home office will ask British citizens to fill out landing cards.SouthamObserver said:
I imagine it will just be filling in a card on the plane/ferry/train and handing it over at passport control for everyone, not just tourists.MaxPB said:
If we leave the single market then both sides will want a way of tracking arrivals and departures of tourists.SouthamObserver said:
I can't see that happening. It will be pretty much as it is now.MaxPB said:
For short term visitors I expect it to be a stamp on arrival, business people may need to get e-visas to attend conferences or meetings.FrankBooth said:Genuine question. What sort of travel rights do people expect we will get in the EU?
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If the Special Relationship means anything it means the UK isn't at the back of the queue. That would imply that at, the very least, TTIP and a UK-US trade deal would proceed in tandem, which would probably be in US interests anyway if they wanted to play hardball and play the EU and UK concessions off each other.Richard_Nabavi said:I see many Leavers are STILL laying into Obama for stating the obvious, and restating long-standing US policy.
Guys, the war is over. You won. What's wrong with you, that you are still bitter? It's normally the losing side which can't get over it.
Otherwise the relationship isn't very special.0 -
As with every election, there will be retirements and ennoblements. Enough to make room for those displaced. Given the current skewed boundaries, this will be more of a problem for Labour than the Tories.Paristonda said:
If it turns out that the boundary review has completely rejigged the constituency map and therefore probably done more damage to conservative seats than initially thought, it could run the risk of being abandoned entirely. I can't see many individual Tory MPs being convinced on putting themselves out of a job just to stick it to Labour, even if it is in the greater good for the conservative party.kle4 said:
Easy excuse to bow out of politics then. He's young enough to come back in 10 years, but probably not worth the effort to stick around.TCPoliticalBetting said:
TelegraphMTimT said:
Tory boundary changes? Surely the Electoral Commission's ...rottenborough said:
Not quite as exciting as it sounds. Looks like he'll be slotted into the replacement.TheScreamingEagles said:
"George Osborne's seat to vanish from the map too
The Boundary Commission is understood to have abolished former Chancellor George Osborne's seat as part of a review into parliamentary constituencies.
Half of his Tatton Park seat will go to Graham Brady and the other half to David Rutley, the MP for Macclesfield, it is understood."0 -
There are some things that we can directly lay at Brexit's door, and others that are the product of our times.Richard_Nabavi said:
I think that what is changing is that the internet now makes it dead easy to issue a visa (or a 'visa waiver') online very quickly. Given the concerns about terrorism in Europe, that makes it very likely that the UK and the EU will both go down that route.John_M said:
We currently have VoA or some form of visa-free travel with 175 countries. I'm not expecting that much to change.FrankBooth said:Genuine question. What sort of travel rights do people expect we will get in the EU?
There will be more control and monitoring of cross-border travel. That we may be able to do so in a lightweight manner is convenient, but I believe in that necessity, convenient or not.0 -
Actually the US employment record since the crash is quite good, although I'm not sure that Obama has had much effect on that one way or the other. Overall he's been an OKish president; his US foreign policy has been one of drift, but that's a hell of a lot better than that of his immediate predecessor. Obamacare is in trouble, but is partially successful in extending healthcare provision (a long-standing sore in the US body politic). Maybe 4 or 5 out of 10, compared with Bush's 0.MaxPB said:Obama is reason Trump is running. He has overseen a huge rise in inequality in the US and chronic underemployment. He is without any doubt one of the worst post-war US Presidents. In addition US foreign policy is a mess and his term will come to a final ignominious end with a capitulation to Russia over Syria.
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Is he going to sit on the floor?rottenborough said:Not quite as exciting as it sounds. Looks like he'll be slotted into the replacement.
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Common heritage means a great deal, the odd war of independence aside, as does a common language (just). I think, however, that the special relationship has over the past few decades manifested itself in joint military adventures of one kind or another.Casino_Royale said:
If the Special Relationship means anything it means the UK isn't at the back of the queue. That would imply that at, the very least, TTIP and a UK-US trade deal would proceed in tandem, which would probably be in US interests anyway if they wanted to play hardball and play the EU and UK concessions off each other.Richard_Nabavi said:I see many Leavers are STILL laying into Obama for stating the obvious, and restating long-standing US policy.
Guys, the war is over. You won. What's wrong with you, that you are still bitter? It's normally the losing side which can't get over it.
Otherwise the relationship isn't very special.
I think those days of the US gallivanting around, playing the world policeman role, is over, for better or for worse. But hence the need for a grown up power to endorse such activities will decline. Whether the US saw the UK as being important as an EU member endorsing its military activities, of course we have no idea.0 -
Drift? He left a complete power vacuum in the Middle East and encouraged the overthrow of relatively friendly dictators by Islamists. The man is a fool.Richard_Nabavi said:
Actually the US employment record since the crash is quite good, although I'm not sure that Obama has had much effect on that one way or the other. Overall he's been an OKish president; his US foreign policy has been one of drift, but that's a hell of a lot better than that of his immediate predecessor. Obamacare is in trouble, but is partially successful in extending healthcare provision (a long-standing sore in the US body politic). Maybe 4 or 5 out of 10, compared with Bush's 0.MaxPB said:Obama is reason Trump is running. He has overseen a huge rise in inequality in the US and chronic underemployment. He is without any doubt one of the worst post-war US Presidents. In addition US foreign policy is a mess and his term will come to a final ignominious end with a capitulation to Russia over Syria.
Underemployment, not unemployment. Even then the statistics are obfuscated, US unemployment by our system would be closer to 9%, but people fall out of unemployment and into inactive status much faster.
1/5 equal with Bush.0 -
No, that's wrong. TTIP (if it's possible) has to come first because obviously the US is much more concerned about the EU27 (around six times our GDP) than us. In addition, we can't do any deal with the US until they know what EU deal we are going to end up with. This is nothing to do with the 'special relationship', it's just the obvious maths, politics and economics.Casino_Royale said:
If the Special Relationship means anything it means the UK isn't at the back of the queue. That would imply that at, the very least, TTIP and a UK-US trade deal would proceed in tandem, which would probably be in US interests anyway if they wanted to play hardball and play the EU and UK concessions off each other.Richard_Nabavi said:I see many Leavers are STILL laying into Obama for stating the obvious, and restating long-standing US policy.
Guys, the war is over. You won. What's wrong with you, that you are still bitter? It's normally the losing side which can't get over it.
Otherwise the relationship isn't very special.
It's true that TTIP might be about to collapse anyway, in which we might be able to sneak in and do some deal, taking advantage of the fact that we can be more nimble than the EU. But I expect they'll want to see what they can salvage from TTIP first.0 -
Obama campaign on a message of no more stupid wars. Looks like he will achieve that.Richard_Nabavi said:
Actually the US employment record since the crash is quite good, although I'm not sure that Obama has had much effect on that one way or the other. Overall he's been an OKish president; his US foreign policy has been one of drift, but that's a hell of a lot better than that of his immediate predecessor. Obamacare is in trouble, but is partially successful in extending healthcare provision (a long-standing sore in the US body politic). Maybe 4 or 5 out of 10, compared with Bush's 0.MaxPB said:Obama is reason Trump is running. He has overseen a huge rise in inequality in the US and chronic underemployment. He is without any doubt one of the worst post-war US Presidents. In addition US foreign policy is a mess and his term will come to a final ignominious end with a capitulation to Russia over Syria.
Bizarrely, a public who said they were sick to the back teeth of adventurous wars in middle east potentially are going to vote in Trump - who is on a mission with ISIS.0 -
Nice to see so many MPs respecting the embargo on the boundary review until tomorrow.0
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Off topic: Jeff Bezos has just revealed Blue Origins' next rocket - New Glenn.
Looks like a serious bit of kit with a decently wide faring and 3.5 million pounds of thrust (Which would make it the most powerful rocket available right now I think)0 -
I was responding to your thing about business people needing e-visas.MaxPB said:
Who else if not just tourists? I highly doubt that the home office will ask British citizens to fill out landing cards.SouthamObserver said:
I imagine it will just be filling in a card on the plane/ferry/train and handing it over at passport control for everyone, not just tourists.MaxPB said:
If we leave the single market then both sides will want a way of tracking arrivals and departures of tourists.SouthamObserver said:
I can't see that happening. It will be pretty much as it is now.MaxPB said:
For short term visitors I expect it to be a stamp on arrival, business people may need to get e-visas to attend conferences or meetings.FrankBooth said:Genuine question. What sort of travel rights do people expect we will get in the EU?
Americans have to fill out the customs cards when they return from abroad. Presumably, duty free rules will be reintroduced.
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What excuse does the boundary commission have for releasing the draft boundaries early to MPs (and thus the political parties) whilst the general population has to wait another 12 hours?0
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I (sort of) predicted the demise of Islington North a week or so ago, although I didn't expect it to actually be the case.
Corbyn v Abbott in a nominations hustings will be fun, if it comes to pass.
At least Osborne has an excuse to bow out from the commons and find something else to be near-perfect at.0 -
If she's not fit for first debate, then all bets are off imho.Dromedary said:Hillary Clinton's schedule:
Wed 14 Sep: appearance on Ellen DeGeneres TV show
Wed 14 Sep: rally in Las Vegas
Sat 17 Sep: Congressional Black Caucus Foundation, Washington DC
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As a courtesy I suppose, given that their constituency may be being abolished.Verulamius said:What excuse does the boundary commission have for releasing the draft boundaries early to MPs (and thus the political parties) whilst the general population has to wait another 12 hours?
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Corbyn will have no seat? how much floorspace is there in the commons?MaxPB said:
Heart of stone etc...TheScreamingEagles said:Jeremy Corbyn’s Islington seat is to vanish from the map following the boundary changes, leaving Jez to fight it out for a new seat called Finsbury Park and Stoke Newington. Sources with intimate knowledge of the Boundary Review tell Guido that the new seat will take in the ward of Stamford Hill West in Hackney. Stamford Hill West forms part of a 30,000 strong Orthodox Jewish community. 37.6% of people living Stamford Hill West identify as Jewish.
http://order-order.com/2016/09/12/oy-vey-corbyns-new-seat-home-to-huge-jewish-community/
Might give the boundary reforms enough rebel Labour support to go through if these are confirmed.
“This is a problem that many MPs face every boundary review. Today this parliament is completely ram-packed."0 -
SouthamObserver said:
Presumably, duty free rules will be reintroduced.
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Verulamius said:
What excuse does the boundary commission have for releasing the draft boundaries early to MPs (and thus the political parties) whilst the general population has to wait another 12 hours?
To make the MPs feel important?
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Nothing wrong with the odd Rotten Borough.taffys said:''This is enormous fun.''
True but the real laugh is watching labour defend small constituencies with bullsh8t excuses not unlike those of 19 century tories defending rotten boroughs.0 -
Well, quite. We seem to be in an amusing Alice-in-Wonderland debate here; some of those who voted Leave and who argued that one of the advantages was that we'd have 'control of our borders', and keep out foreign terrorists and criminals more effectively, now seem to be complaining that the EU agrees, and that Amber Rudd is considering doing what they suggested.John_M said:There will be more control and monitoring of cross-border travel. That we may be able to do so in a lightweight manner is convenient, but I believe in that necessity, convenient or not.
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Most MPs will actually be unaffected, given they are only reducing the chamber by less than 10%/Paristonda said:
Corbyn will have no seat? how much floorspace is there in the commons?MaxPB said:
Heart of stone etc...TheScreamingEagles said:Jeremy Corbyn’s Islington seat is to vanish from the map following the boundary changes, leaving Jez to fight it out for a new seat called Finsbury Park and Stoke Newington. Sources with intimate knowledge of the Boundary Review tell Guido that the new seat will take in the ward of Stamford Hill West in Hackney. Stamford Hill West forms part of a 30,000 strong Orthodox Jewish community. 37.6% of people living Stamford Hill West identify as Jewish.
http://order-order.com/2016/09/12/oy-vey-corbyns-new-seat-home-to-huge-jewish-community/
Might give the boundary reforms enough rebel Labour support to go through if these are confirmed.
“This is a problem that many MPs face every boundary review. Today this parliament is completely ram-packed."0 -
We'll have to go through the green channel instead of the EU one, but yes if we leave the customs union then I'd expect duty rules to come back.SouthamObserver said:
I was responding to your thing about business people needing e-visas.MaxPB said:
Who else if not just tourists? I highly doubt that the home office will ask British citizens to fill out landing cards.SouthamObserver said:
I imagine it will just be filling in a card on the plane/ferry/train and handing it over at passport control for everyone, not just tourists.MaxPB said:
If we leave the single market then both sides will want a way of tracking arrivals and departures of tourists.SouthamObserver said:
I can't see that happening. It will be pretty much as it is now.MaxPB said:
For short term visitors I expect it to be a stamp on arrival, business people may need to get e-visas to attend conferences or meetings.FrankBooth said:Genuine question. What sort of travel rights do people expect we will get in the EU?
Americans have to fill out the customs cards when they return from abroad. Presumably, duty free rules will be reintroduced.0 -
Brits are supposed to fill out customs forms on the way back? Or at least used to? I've only ever walked through the green line without being stopped for anything.MaxPB said:
We'll have to go through the green channel instead of the EU one, but yes if we leave the customs union then I'd expect duty rules to come back.SouthamObserver said:
I was responding to your thing about business people needing e-visas.MaxPB said:
Who else if not just tourists? I highly doubt that the home office will ask British citizens to fill out landing cards.SouthamObserver said:
I imagine it will just be filling in a card on the plane/ferry/train and handing it over at passport control for everyone, not just tourists.MaxPB said:
If we leave the single market then both sides will want a way of tracking arrivals and departures of tourists.SouthamObserver said:
I can't see that happening. It will be pretty much as it is now.MaxPB said:
For short term visitors I expect it to be a stamp on arrival, business people may need to get e-visas to attend conferences or meetings.FrankBooth said:Genuine question. What sort of travel rights do people expect we will get in the EU?
Americans have to fill out the customs cards when they return from abroad. Presumably, duty free rules will be reintroduced.0 -
I've never gone through the red channel. But then I've never had anything to declare!RobD said:
Brits are supposed to fill out customs forms on the way back? Or at least used to? I've only ever walked through the green line without being stopped for anything.MaxPB said:
We'll have to go through the green channel instead of the EU one, but yes if we leave the customs union then I'd expect duty rules to come back.SouthamObserver said:
I was responding to your thing about business people needing e-visas.MaxPB said:
Who else if not just tourists? I highly doubt that the home office will ask British citizens to fill out landing cards.SouthamObserver said:
I imagine it will just be filling in a card on the plane/ferry/train and handing it over at passport control for everyone, not just tourists.MaxPB said:
If we leave the single market then both sides will want a way of tracking arrivals and departures of tourists.SouthamObserver said:
I can't see that happening. It will be pretty much as it is now.MaxPB said:
For short term visitors I expect it to be a stamp on arrival, business people may need to get e-visas to attend conferences or meetings.FrankBooth said:Genuine question. What sort of travel rights do people expect we will get in the EU?
Americans have to fill out the customs cards when they return from abroad. Presumably, duty free rules will be reintroduced.0 -
MaxPB said:
We'll have to go through the green channel instead of the EU one, but yes if we leave the customs union then I'd expect duty rules to come back.SouthamObserver said:
I was responding to your thing about business people needing e-visas.MaxPB said:
Who else if not just tourists? I highly doubt that the home office will ask British citizens to fill out landing cards.SouthamObserver said:
I imagine it will just be filling in a card on the plane/ferry/train and handing it over at passport control for everyone, not just tourists.MaxPB said:
If we leave the single market then both sides will want a way of tracking arrivals and departures of tourists.SouthamObserver said:
I can't see that happening. It will be pretty much as it is now.MaxPB said:
For short term visitors I expect it to be a stamp on arrival, business people may need to get e-visas to attend conferences or meetings.FrankBooth said:Genuine question. What sort of travel rights do people expect we will get in the EU?
Americans have to fill out the customs cards when they return from abroad. Presumably, duty free rules will be reintroduced.
There's nothing to say they have to come back at the same level as before. They could still be generous for visitors to the EU (if they wanted them to be).
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Nonsense. The knock-on of the inflexible 5% variation is that several seats have to be altered just to balance out one which isn't in quota. Count the "orphan" wards once we have the full proposals - constituencies containing a single ward from a local authority area, just there to get inside quota. It's the sort of thing that infuriates locally, and you didn't have in anything like the same number, before the 5% rule came in.RobD said:
Most MPs will actually be unaffected, given they are only reducing the chamber by less than 10%/Paristonda said:
Corbyn will have no seat? how much floorspace is there in the commons?MaxPB said:
Heart of stone etc...TheScreamingEagles said:Jeremy Corbyn’s Islington seat is to vanish from the map following the boundary changes, leaving Jez to fight it out for a new seat called Finsbury Park and Stoke Newington. Sources with intimate knowledge of the Boundary Review tell Guido that the new seat will take in the ward of Stamford Hill West in Hackney. Stamford Hill West forms part of a 30,000 strong Orthodox Jewish community. 37.6% of people living Stamford Hill West identify as Jewish.
http://order-order.com/2016/09/12/oy-vey-corbyns-new-seat-home-to-huge-jewish-community/
Might give the boundary reforms enough rebel Labour support to go through if these are confirmed.
“This is a problem that many MPs face every boundary review. Today this parliament is completely ram-packed."0 -
So if Scotland becomes independent and stays in the EU, that will be a duty free bottle of Single Malt every time I visit Edinburgh. Result!MaxPB said:
We'll have to go through the green channel instead of the EU one, but yes if we leave the customs union then I'd expect duty rules to come back.SouthamObserver said:
I was responding to your thing about business people needing e-visas.MaxPB said:
Who else if not just tourists? I highly doubt that the home office will ask British citizens to fill out landing cards.SouthamObserver said:
I imagine it will just be filling in a card on the plane/ferry/train and handing it over at passport control for everyone, not just tourists.MaxPB said:
If we leave the single market then both sides will want a way of tracking arrivals and departures of tourists.SouthamObserver said:
I can't see that happening. It will be pretty much as it is now.MaxPB said:
For short term visitors I expect it to be a stamp on arrival, business people may need to get e-visas to attend conferences or meetings.FrankBooth said:Genuine question. What sort of travel rights do people expect we will get in the EU?
Americans have to fill out the customs cards when they return from abroad. Presumably, duty free rules will be reintroduced.0 -
rottenborough said:
Nothing wrong with the odd Rotten Borough.taffys said:''This is enormous fun.''
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Bust a slight tweak to a boundary does not cause an MP to lose their seat. Corbyn having no seat is NOT a problem that many MPs will face.tpfkar said:
Nonsense. The knock-on of the inflexible 5% variation is that several seats have to be altered just to balance out one which isn't in quota. Count the "orphan" wards once we have the full proposals - constituencies containing a single ward from a local authority area, just there to get inside quota. It's the sort of thing that infuriates locally, and you didn't have in anything like the same number, before the 5% rule came in.RobD said:
Most MPs will actually be unaffected, given they are only reducing the chamber by less than 10%/Paristonda said:
Corbyn will have no seat? how much floorspace is there in the commons?MaxPB said:
Heart of stone etc...TheScreamingEagles said:Jeremy Corbyn’s Islington seat is to vanish from the map following the boundary changes, leaving Jez to fight it out for a new seat called Finsbury Park and Stoke Newington. Sources with intimate knowledge of the Boundary Review tell Guido that the new seat will take in the ward of Stamford Hill West in Hackney. Stamford Hill West forms part of a 30,000 strong Orthodox Jewish community. 37.6% of people living Stamford Hill West identify as Jewish.
http://order-order.com/2016/09/12/oy-vey-corbyns-new-seat-home-to-huge-jewish-community/
Might give the boundary reforms enough rebel Labour support to go through if these are confirmed.
“This is a problem that many MPs face every boundary review. Today this parliament is completely ram-packed."0 -
I've never even seen an official in the green line in the last few years.RobD said:
Brits are supposed to fill out customs forms on the way back? Or at least used to? I've only ever walked through the green line without being stopped for anything.MaxPB said:
We'll have to go through the green channel instead of the EU one, but yes if we leave the customs union then I'd expect duty rules to come back.SouthamObserver said:
I was responding to your thing about business people needing e-visas.MaxPB said:
Who else if not just tourists? I highly doubt that the home office will ask British citizens to fill out landing cards.SouthamObserver said:
I imagine it will just be filling in a card on the plane/ferry/train and handing it over at passport control for everyone, not just tourists.MaxPB said:
If we leave the single market then both sides will want a way of tracking arrivals and departures of tourists.SouthamObserver said:
I can't see that happening. It will be pretty much as it is now.MaxPB said:
For short term visitors I expect it to be a stamp on arrival, business people may need to get e-visas to attend conferences or meetings.FrankBooth said:Genuine question. What sort of travel rights do people expect we will get in the EU?
Americans have to fill out the customs cards when they return from abroad. Presumably, duty free rules will be reintroduced.0 -
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Making space at Witney for Osborne?0
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Any bookies with Witney 'odds' up yet ?0
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Somebody has got a big bucks offer....TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
If Jeremy wants a seat after 2020 he is going to have to take one from a woman MP. Or he is going to have to try a place where Labour does not currently have an MP. There were huge, game-changing rallies in Cornwall and Milton Keynes for him earlier this summer apparently, so either of those look good for him ;-)0
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Erm, that may be the pure unemployment stats - which are either damn lies or statistics. They exclude those no longer in the labour force. The US labour force participation rate has collapsed:Richard_Nabavi said:
Actually the US employment record since the crash is quite good, although I'm not sure that Obama has had much effect on that one way or the other...MaxPB said:Obama is reason Trump is running. He has overseen a huge rise in inequality in the US and chronic underemployment. He is without any doubt one of the worst post-war US Presidents. In addition US foreign policy is a mess and his term will come to a final ignominious end with a capitulation to Russia over Syria.
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000
The real US figures for employment as a % of people of working age is not good at all. That's what people experience and vote about.0
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