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When I joined the BBC in the 70s one of the senior writers was regarded a bit of legend for having spotted the start of Ping-Ping diplomacy – what the US official historian describes as “fraternization” between table tennis players from the U.S. and the People’s Republic of China during an international competition in Japan. It led eventually to the 1972 meeting between Nixon and Mao.
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Is this the thread for Latte-Sipping Liberals?0
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Even with elections, I thought the Leader could appoint who he wanted on top? I seem to recall Ed Miliband making some direct appointments. So not sure there would be an issue finding a job for John McDonnell.
More fundamentally, this is wishful thinking. The wider party is at war, and even if the MPs pipe down for a bit, there are enough angry footsoldiers to keep fighting in the trenches.0 -
PB's own Pangloss never fails to find a silver lining, but I fear that John McDonnell is acting nice because he knows that the battle has been won.0
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Are we seeing the beginnings of a mating dance from the non-neutral Mr Brind here?0
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Desperate stuff. Almost as bad as the pink bus and kitchen table conversations with voters.0
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New conspiracy theories!
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I see Don Brind has given up on his almost daily Saving Labour piece.
That the thread talks about diplomacy instead of war is a sign that the war is coming at it's end, and peace talks are on hand.0 -
I'm sorry - but I burst out laughing at just the first paragraph.0
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If Corbyn is re-elected then McDonnell is the only viable alternative leader for Labour in my view before the next general election so if there were frontbench elections it would make sense for Labour MPs to get behind him0
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The Telegraph reports today that Amber Rudd has suggested the EU may require visas for all future UK visitors to any EU nation, she also suggested if that did come to pass visas would also be required for all EU tourists visiting the UK0
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I find it hard to believe that someone would take a Twitter exchange so seriously as to believe it can save the Labour party from two election cycles of oblivion.0
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Since one conspiracy theory might be proven correct, we now have to watch our backs.MaxPB said:
New conspiracy theories!
Who knows, with Hillary it might be correct.
I wouldn't want to outright reject those notions and embarrass myself like the Washington Post did, if they ever come true.0 -
Rudd might be better off asking whether the two million plus British troops who helped to liberate Europe from Nazism would have needed visasHYUFD said:The Telegraph reports today that Amber Rudd has suggested the EU may require visas for all future UK visitors to any EU nation, she also suggested if that did come to pass visas would also be required for all EU tourists visiting the UK
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TBH, it's the ear thing that almost convinced me this may not be a joke.MaxPB said:
New conspiracy theories!
They're unique enough to be used like fingerprints for identification.
http://www.yalescientific.org/2011/05/ears-the-new-fingerprints/
Also - the arse/stomach of the person who appeared waving in blue glasses wasn't the same shape as bell tent Hillary. That person is about a stone or more thinner.
It's probably all angles and stuff, but a bit weird.0 -
The problem that the Corbyn team faces is that this government is creating a lot for a competent, well-led opposition to aim at. There are clearly splits on Europe, while the grammar school announcement should be an open goal, given that by their very nature grammar schools exclude the majority of the population.
As I wrote last week, Corbyn will win, but that will not suddenly make him a competent leader or someone who can stick to a collective position or someone who can reach out beyond his comfort zone. He has already lost supporters from the pre-September 2015 cohort of members and he will lose more over the coming year to 18 months as it becomes clear he cannot come close to delivering a serious challenge to the Tories.
The PLP is right to offer the hand of unity with shadow cabinet elections, as well as a request to drop talk of deselections etc. It has to be seen to be meeting Corbyn halfway. But it takes two to tango. Corbyn just cannot reciprocate.
For anyone watching - and I know not many are - the mood music at the TUC is instructive. Already a motion has been passed saying that it is vital for the UK to remain a part of the single market. That is in direct contradiction of Corbyn's unilaterally announced policy last week. We'll see a similar gap over Trident renewal.0 -
Speedy said:
Since one conspiracy theory might be proven correct, we now have to watch our backs.MaxPB said:
New conspiracy theories!
Who knows, with Hillary it might be correct.
I wouldn't want to outright reject those notions and embarrass myself like the Washington Post did, if they ever come true.
Eh. The ring finger is shorter. What are they talking about?MaxPB said:
New conspiracy theories!0 -
That may have worked 25 years ago, less so today when most have passed awaytaffys said:
Rudd might be better off asking whether the two million plus British troops who helped to liberate Europe from Nazism would have needed visasHYUFD said:The Telegraph reports today that Amber Rudd has suggested the EU may require visas for all future UK visitors to any EU nation, she also suggested if that did come to pass visas would also be required for all EU tourists visiting the UK
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Surely tough for Corbyn to come out against grammar schools. He'll need to welcome them, but ensure that they don't diminish schools that don't become grammars.SouthamObserver said:The problem that the Corbyn team faces is that this government is creating a lot for a competent, well-led opposition to aim at. There are clearly splits on Europe, while the grammar school announcement should be an open goal, given that by their very nature grammar schools exclude the majority of the population.
As I wrote last week, Corbyn will win, but that will not suddenly make him a competent leader or someone who can stick to a collective position or someone who can reach out beyond his comfort zone. He has already lost supporters from the pre-September 2015 cohort of members and he will lose more over the coming year to 18 months as it becomes clear he cannot come close to delivering a serious challenge to the Tories.
The PLP is right to offer the hand of unity with shadow cabinet elections, as well as a request to drop talk of deselections etc. It has to be seen to be meeting Corbyn halfway. But it takes two to tango. Corbyn just cannot reciprocate.
For anyone watching - and I know not many are - the mood music at the TUC is instructive. Already a motion has been passed saying that it is vital for the UK to remain a part of the single market. That is in direct contradiction of Corbyn's unilaterally announced policy last week. We'll see a similar gap over Trident renewal.0 -
The Labour conference should be a hoot with these kinds of divisions.SouthamObserver said:The problem that the Corbyn team faces is that this government is creating a lot for a competent, well-led opposition to aim at. There are clearly splits on Europe, while the grammar school announcement should be an open goal, given that by their very nature grammar schools exclude the majority of the population.
As I wrote last week, Corbyn will win, but that will not suddenly make him a competent leader or someone who can stick to a collective position or someone who can reach out beyond his comfort zone. He has already lost supporters from the pre-September 2015 cohort of members and he will lose more over the coming year to 18 months as it becomes clear he cannot come close to delivering a serious challenge to the Tories.
The PLP is right to offer the hand of unity with shadow cabinet elections, as well as a request to drop talk of deselections etc. It has to be seen to be meeting Corbyn halfway. But it takes two to tango. Corbyn just cannot reciprocate.
For anyone watching - and I know not many are - the mood music at the TUC is instructive. Already a motion has been passed saying that it is vital for the UK to remain a part of the single market. That is in direct contradiction of Corbyn's unilaterally announced policy last week. We'll see a similar gap over Trident renewal.0 -
Seems optimistic.0
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Mine isn't, it is markedly longer.rottenborough said:Speedy said:
Since one conspiracy theory might be proven correct, we now have to watch our backs.MaxPB said:
New conspiracy theories!
Who knows, with Hillary it might be correct.
I wouldn't want to outright reject those notions and embarrass myself like the Washington Post did, if they ever come true.
Eh. The ring finger is shorter. What are they talking about?MaxPB said:
New conspiracy theories!0 -
FPT
I do hate it when celebrities on charity specials do it for big name national charities.peter_from_putney said:
Precisely the reason why I stopped contributing to big name charities many years ago. These days I restrict myself to smaller local charities, e.g. hospices, etc.logical_song said:Is it morally correct to take $700,000 a year for running a charity?
http://www.newstatesman.com/2016/09/what-david-miliband-thinks-jeremy-corbyn0 -
It doesn't matter because we're never going to have a visitor visa system with the EU. This is must Remoaner scaremongering.HYUFD said:
That may have worked 25 years ago, less so today when most have passed awaytaffys said:
Rudd might be better off asking whether the two million plus British troops who helped to liberate Europe from Nazism would have needed visasHYUFD said:The Telegraph reports today that Amber Rudd has suggested the EU may require visas for all future UK visitors to any EU nation, she also suggested if that did come to pass visas would also be required for all EU tourists visiting the UK
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And if they get the technology right as with ESTA it's no big deal anyway.MaxPB said:
It doesn't matter because we're never going to have a visitor visa system with the EU. This is must Remoaner scaremongering.HYUFD said:
That may have worked 25 years ago, less so today when most have passed awaytaffys said:
Rudd might be better off asking whether the two million plus British troops who helped to liberate Europe from Nazism would have needed visasHYUFD said:The Telegraph reports today that Amber Rudd has suggested the EU may require visas for all future UK visitors to any EU nation, she also suggested if that did come to pass visas would also be required for all EU tourists visiting the UK
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Labour is the only party where a plurality of its voters not only oppose new grammars but want to close existing ones, a majority of Tory and UKIP voters and a plurality of LDs back more grammarsMaxPB said:
Surely tough for Corbyn to come out against grammar schools. He'll need to welcome them, but ensure that they don't diminish schools that don't become grammars.SouthamObserver said:The problem that the Corbyn team faces is that this government is creating a lot for a competent, well-led opposition to aim at. There are clearly splits on Europe, while the grammar school announcement should be an open goal, given that by their very nature grammar schools exclude the majority of the population.
As I wrote last week, Corbyn will win, but that will not suddenly make him a competent leader or someone who can stick to a collective position or someone who can reach out beyond his comfort zone. He has already lost supporters from the pre-September 2015 cohort of members and he will lose more over the coming year to 18 months as it becomes clear he cannot come close to delivering a serious challenge to the Tories.
The PLP is right to offer the hand of unity with shadow cabinet elections, as well as a request to drop talk of deselections etc. It has to be seen to be meeting Corbyn halfway. But it takes two to tango. Corbyn just cannot reciprocate.
For anyone watching - and I know not many are - the mood music at the TUC is instructive. Already a motion has been passed saying that it is vital for the UK to remain a part of the single market. That is in direct contradiction of Corbyn's unilaterally announced policy last week. We'll see a similar gap over Trident renewal.0 -
No it's not, it's a response to an EU Commission proposal:MaxPB said:
It doesn't matter because we're never going to have a visitor visa system with the EU. This is must Remoaner scaremongering.HYUFD said:
That may have worked 25 years ago, less so today when most have passed awaytaffys said:
Rudd might be better off asking whether the two million plus British troops who helped to liberate Europe from Nazism would have needed visasHYUFD said:The Telegraph reports today that Amber Rudd has suggested the EU may require visas for all future UK visitors to any EU nation, she also suggested if that did come to pass visas would also be required for all EU tourists visiting the UK
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/09/britons-may-have-to-apply-to-visit-europe-under-eu-visa-scheme
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I meant in the photos. There are all the same as far as I can see. Unless I am missing something.Ishmael_X said:
Mine isn't, it is markedly longer.rottenborough said:Speedy said:
Since one conspiracy theory might be proven correct, we now have to watch our backs.MaxPB said:
New conspiracy theories!
Who knows, with Hillary it might be correct.
I wouldn't want to outright reject those notions and embarrass myself like the Washington Post did, if they ever come true.
Eh. The ring finger is shorter. What are they talking about?MaxPB said:
New conspiracy theories!0 -
It was the Home Secretary who suggested it and she will clearly have had preliminary discussions with her EU counterparts even if she did back RemainMaxPB said:
It doesn't matter because we're never going to have a visitor visa system with the EU. This is must Remoaner scaremongering.HYUFD said:
That may have worked 25 years ago, less so today when most have passed awaytaffys said:
Rudd might be better off asking whether the two million plus British troops who helped to liberate Europe from Nazism would have needed visasHYUFD said:The Telegraph reports today that Amber Rudd has suggested the EU may require visas for all future UK visitors to any EU nation, she also suggested if that did come to pass visas would also be required for all EU tourists visiting the UK
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Indeed Mr Brind, not at all on the same epic scale as Nixon goes to China. Ta for the laughs..0
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Mr Brind goes from one cloud to another, what is he on, I would like some.0
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It's still stupid because we won't ever have visas with the EU. I'm not sure that the EU is stupid enough to cut off tourist income from a nation which spends significantly more abroad than it receives from tourism.Richard_Nabavi said:
No it's not, it's a response to an EU Commission proposal:MaxPB said:
It doesn't matter because we're never going to have a visitor visa system with the EU. This is must Remoaner scaremongering.HYUFD said:
That may have worked 25 years ago, less so today when most have passed awaytaffys said:
Rudd might be better off asking whether the two million plus British troops who helped to liberate Europe from Nazism would have needed visasHYUFD said:The Telegraph reports today that Amber Rudd has suggested the EU may require visas for all future UK visitors to any EU nation, she also suggested if that did come to pass visas would also be required for all EU tourists visiting the UK
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/09/britons-may-have-to-apply-to-visit-europe-under-eu-visa-scheme
Honestly, it's time for Mrs Merkel grow some balls and sack the whole Commission. Juncker has become unhinged.0 -
When I look at the front of my hand, the ring finger looks shorter, but when I turn my hand around and look at the back, the index finger looks shorter...Ishmael_X said:
Mine isn't, it is markedly longer.rottenborough said:Speedy said:
Since one conspiracy theory might be proven correct, we now have to watch our backs.MaxPB said:
New conspiracy theories!
Who knows, with Hillary it might be correct.
I wouldn't want to outright reject those notions and embarrass myself like the Washington Post did, if they ever come true.
Eh. The ring finger is shorter. What are they talking about?MaxPB said:
New conspiracy theories!0 -
I'm not sure it would make much difference, actually. An online visa-waiver (which is essentially an on-line visa-application under a different name) scheme would be a bit of a pain but wouldn't deter tourism significantly, especially for Brits seeking the sun. Lots of Brits used to get visas to holiday in Egypt.MaxPB said:It's still stupid because we won't ever have visas with the EU. I'm not sure that the EU is stupid enough to cut off tourist income from a nation which spends significantly more abroad than it receives from tourism.
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Oh my word
NBC turns on Hillary
Hillary Clinton's health scare: 9 unanswered questions https://t.co/w03JsuTgzA https://t.co/WDdXFgtd0Q0 -
I agree, certainly France, Spain and Italy get more UK visitors than the reverse, though London gets more visitors than Paris, Madrid and RomeMaxPB said:
It's still stupid because we won't ever have visas with the EU. I'm not sure that the EU is stupid enough to cut off tourist income from a nation which spends significantly more abroad than it receives from tourism.Richard_Nabavi said:
No it's not, it's a response to an EU Commission proposal:MaxPB said:
It doesn't matter because we're never going to have a visitor visa system with the EU. This is must Remoaner scaremongering.HYUFD said:
That may have worked 25 years ago, less so today when most have passed awaytaffys said:
Rudd might be better off asking whether the two million plus British troops who helped to liberate Europe from Nazism would have needed visasHYUFD said:The Telegraph reports today that Amber Rudd has suggested the EU may require visas for all future UK visitors to any EU nation, she also suggested if that did come to pass visas would also be required for all EU tourists visiting the UK
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/09/britons-may-have-to-apply-to-visit-europe-under-eu-visa-scheme
Honestly, it's time for Mrs Merkel grow some balls and sack the whole Commission. Juncker has become unhinged.0 -
Frau M is not the Fuehrerin you think she is.MaxPB said:
It's still stupid because we won't ever have visas with the EU. I'm not sure that the EU is stupid enough to cut off tourist income from a nation which spends significantly more abroad than it receives from tourism.Richard_Nabavi said:
No it's not, it's a response to an EU Commission proposal:MaxPB said:
It doesn't matter because we're never going to have a visitor visa system with the EU. This is must Remoaner scaremongering.HYUFD said:
That may have worked 25 years ago, less so today when most have passed awaytaffys said:
Rudd might be better off asking whether the two million plus British troops who helped to liberate Europe from Nazism would have needed visasHYUFD said:The Telegraph reports today that Amber Rudd has suggested the EU may require visas for all future UK visitors to any EU nation, she also suggested if that did come to pass visas would also be required for all EU tourists visiting the UK
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/09/britons-may-have-to-apply-to-visit-europe-under-eu-visa-scheme
Honestly, it's time for Mrs Merkel grow some balls and sack the whole Commission. Juncker has become unhinged.0 -
And Turkey, and Kenya - and in both cases you can just hand over £20 or whatever it is at the airport on your way in.Richard_Nabavi said:
I'm not sure it would make much difference, actually. An online visa-waiver (which is essentially an on-line visa-application under a different name) scheme would be a bit of a pain but wouldn't deter tourism significantly, especially for Brits seeking the sun. Lots of Brits used to get visas to holiday in Egypt.MaxPB said:It's still stupid because we won't ever have visas with the EU. I'm not sure that the EU is stupid enough to cut off tourist income from a nation which spends significantly more abroad than it receives from tourism.
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Has nobody told them the war is over?MaxPB said:
It doesn't matter because we're never going to have a visitor visa system with the EU. This is must Remoaner scaremongering.HYUFD said:
That may have worked 25 years ago, less so today when most have passed awaytaffys said:
Rudd might be better off asking whether the two million plus British troops who helped to liberate Europe from Nazism would have needed visasHYUFD said:The Telegraph reports today that Amber Rudd has suggested the EU may require visas for all future UK visitors to any EU nation, she also suggested if that did come to pass visas would also be required for all EU tourists visiting the UK
They lost.0 -
Yes, but that's still a visa-waiver programme, not an actual visa which is apparently being proposed by the Commission. A VWP like ESTA wouldn't be an issue, I sort of expect there to be one if we are to have a harder border with the EU. We'll need a way to track people who have overstayed their welcome and are possibly working illegally.Richard_Nabavi said:
I'm not sure it would make much difference, actually. An online visa-waiver (which is essentially an on-line visa-application under a different name) scheme would be a bit of a pain but wouldn't deter tourism significantly, especially for Brits seeking the sun. Lots of Brits used to get visas to holiday in Egypt.MaxPB said:It's still stupid because we won't ever have visas with the EU. I'm not sure that the EU is stupid enough to cut off tourist income from a nation which spends significantly more abroad than it receives from tourism.
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You can only change the 'official line' so many times, before the media gets angry for being taken for fools. - Team Hilary have lost the trust element over this obviously false account.PlatoSaid said:Oh my word
NBC turns on Hillary
Hillary Clinton's health scare: 9 unanswered questions https://t.co/w03JsuTgzA https://t.co/WDdXFgtd0Q0 -
Juncker should go though.JohnO said:
Frau M is not the Fuehrerin you think she is.MaxPB said:
It's still stupid because we won't ever have visas with the EU. I'm not sure that the EU is stupid enough to cut off tourist income from a nation which spends significantly more abroad than it receives from tourism.Richard_Nabavi said:
No it's not, it's a response to an EU Commission proposal:MaxPB said:
It doesn't matter because we're never going to have a visitor visa system with the EU. This is must Remoaner scaremongering.HYUFD said:
That may have worked 25 years ago, less so today when most have passed awaytaffys said:
Rudd might be better off asking whether the two million plus British troops who helped to liberate Europe from Nazism would have needed visasHYUFD said:The Telegraph reports today that Amber Rudd has suggested the EU may require visas for all future UK visitors to any EU nation, she also suggested if that did come to pass visas would also be required for all EU tourists visiting the UK
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/09/britons-may-have-to-apply-to-visit-europe-under-eu-visa-scheme
Honestly, it's time for Mrs Merkel grow some balls and sack the whole Commission. Juncker has become unhinged.0 -
The commission is proposing a visa waver program like ESTA.MaxPB said:
Yes, but that's still a visa-waiver programme, not an actual visa which is apparently being proposed by the Commission. A VWP like ESTA wouldn't be an issue,Richard_Nabavi said:
I'm not sure it would make much difference, actually. An online visa-waiver (which is essentially an on-line visa-application under a different name) scheme would be a bit of a pain but wouldn't deter tourism significantly, especially for Brits seeking the sun. Lots of Brits used to get visas to holiday in Egypt.MaxPB said:It's still stupid because we won't ever have visas with the EU. I'm not sure that the EU is stupid enough to cut off tourist income from a nation which spends significantly more abroad than it receives from tourism.
"France and Germany both back a system based on the US ESTA scheme, under which visitors from countries that do not require full visas must apply online for permission to travel,"
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Being ditched for 90mins pissed a load of them right off.SimonStClare said:
You can only change the 'official line' so many times, before the media gets angry for being taken for fools. - Team Hilary have lost the trust element over this obviously false account.PlatoSaid said:Oh my word
NBC turns on Hillary
Hillary Clinton's health scare: 9 unanswered questions https://t.co/w03JsuTgzA https://t.co/WDdXFgtd0Q0 -
ESTA is just a fast-track visa. They ask a few questions and check you against their databases. Calling it a 'visa waiver' is just spin - it's a visa, which you pay for and which is only issued if there are no adverse flags thrown up by the computer checks.MaxPB said:Yes, but that's still a visa-waiver programme, not an actual visa which is apparently being proposed by the Commission. A VWP like ESTA wouldn't be an issue, I sort of expect there to be one if we are to have a harder border with the EU. We'll need a way to track people who have overstayed their welcome and are possibly working illegally.
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There's only one party split on whether the referendum result should be respected, and it ain't the Tories!SouthamObserver said:The problem that the Corbyn team faces is that this government is creating a lot for a competent, well-led opposition to aim at. There are clearly splits on Europe
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She's not? Damn my posters of her in a certain grey uniform need updating!JohnO said:
Frau M is not the Fuehrerin you think she is.MaxPB said:
It's still stupid because we won't ever have visas with the EU. I'm not sure that the EU is stupid enough to cut off tourist income from a nation which spends significantly more abroad than it receives from tourism.Richard_Nabavi said:
No it's not, it's a response to an EU Commission proposal:MaxPB said:
It doesn't matter because we're never going to have a visitor visa system with the EU. This is must Remoaner scaremongering.HYUFD said:
That may have worked 25 years ago, less so today when most have passed awaytaffys said:
Rudd might be better off asking whether the two million plus British troops who helped to liberate Europe from Nazism would have needed visasHYUFD said:The Telegraph reports today that Amber Rudd has suggested the EU may require visas for all future UK visitors to any EU nation, she also suggested if that did come to pass visas would also be required for all EU tourists visiting the UK
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/09/britons-may-have-to-apply-to-visit-europe-under-eu-visa-scheme
Honestly, it's time for Mrs Merkel grow some balls and sack the whole Commission. Juncker has become unhinged.
Seriously though, it is time for Germany to stand up and be counted. Being supine to Juncker has already hurt them and there are actions she could take to force his resignation. Defunding the Commission and possibly even the EU until he resigns would be my first threat.0 -
''You can only change the 'official line' so many times, before the media gets angry for being taken for fools. - Team Hilary have lost the trust element over this obviously false account. ''
We've seen it on PB a hundred times. Its the cover up that gets you, not the incident.0 -
Yes, but it doesn't involve going to the US embassy and handing over one's passport for a week or two as I've had to do for a Chinese visa. I also wouldn't be surprised if we just ended up having a passport stamp on arrival which is checked off on leaving.Richard_Nabavi said:
ESTA is just a fast-track visa. They ask a few questions and check you against their databases. Calling it a 'visa waiver' is just spin - it's a visa, which you pay for and which is only issued if there are no adverse flags thrown up by the computer checks.MaxPB said:Yes, but that's still a visa-waiver programme, not an actual visa which is apparently being proposed by the Commission. A VWP like ESTA wouldn't be an issue, I sort of expect there to be one if we are to have a harder border with the EU. We'll need a way to track people who have overstayed their welcome and are possibly working illegally.
We will now need exit checks though, which is an additional cost for the Home Office.0 -
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Sheer incompetence by Team Hillary to choose a body double who has pneumonia as well as the wrong ears and fingers.SimonStClare said:
You can only change the 'official line' so many times, before the media gets angry for being taken for fools. - Team Hilary have lost the trust element over this obviously false account.PlatoSaid said:Oh my word
NBC turns on Hillary
Hillary Clinton's health scare: 9 unanswered questions https://t.co/w03JsuTgzA https://t.co/WDdXFgtd0Q
But don't overlook the possibility this is bad for Trump as well, if there is an increased focus on what he might be hiding about his own health. If, of course, he is hiding something rather than just not releasing anything beyond the claim that he will be the healthiest president ever.0 -
Max stop seeing things in such dramatic terms. Intituting a visa system, if it happens, won't "cut off tourist income...blah...blah..." If it happens, it will just make it slightly less convenient to go to the EU countries. No one will die, just a slight diminution in ease of life for many.MaxPB said:
It's still stupid because we won't ever have visas with the EU. I'm not sure that the EU is stupid enough to cut off tourist income from a nation which spends significantly more abroad than it receives from tourism.Richard_Nabavi said:
No it's not, it's a response to an EU Commission proposal:MaxPB said:
It doesn't matter because we're never going to have a visitor visa system with the EU. This is must Remoaner scaremongering.HYUFD said:
That may have worked 25 years ago, less so today when most have passed awaytaffys said:
Rudd might be better off asking whether the two million plus British troops who helped to liberate Europe from Nazism would have needed visasHYUFD said:The Telegraph reports today that Amber Rudd has suggested the EU may require visas for all future UK visitors to any EU nation, she also suggested if that did come to pass visas would also be required for all EU tourists visiting the UK
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/09/britons-may-have-to-apply-to-visit-europe-under-eu-visa-scheme
Honestly, it's time for Mrs Merkel grow some balls and sack the whole Commission. Juncker has become unhinged.
It sums up the consequences of our decision to leave quite well.
Or do you really think that every single aspect of our EU membership will stay the same, except the one or two arcane things you believe should stop?0 -
Isn't the 'theory' that it was hilary at the 9/11 event, but the double was the one which turned up a bit later with the child.DecrepitJohnL said:
Sheer incompetence by Team Hillary to choose a body double who has pneumonia as well as the wrong ears and fingers.SimonStClare said:
You can only change the 'official line' so many times, before the media gets angry for being taken for fools. - Team Hilary have lost the trust element over this obviously false account.PlatoSaid said:Oh my word
NBC turns on Hillary
Hillary Clinton's health scare: 9 unanswered questions https://t.co/w03JsuTgzA https://t.co/WDdXFgtd0Q
But don't overlook the possibility this is bad for Trump as well, if there is an increased focus on what he might be hiding about his own health. If, of course, he is hiding something rather than just not releasing anything beyond the claim that he will be the healthiest president ever.
the fact we're even debating this is crazy.0 -
Is this why Lady Nugee has been so keen to be loyal to the leader?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
No, real Hillary collapsed with pneumonia, the body double was smuggled into the daughter's apartment and emerged to say she was ok.DecrepitJohnL said:
Sheer incompetence by Team Hillary to choose a body double who has pneumonia as well as the wrong ears and fingers.SimonStClare said:
You can only change the 'official line' so many times, before the media gets angry for being taken for fools. - Team Hilary have lost the trust element over this obviously false account.PlatoSaid said:Oh my word
NBC turns on Hillary
Hillary Clinton's health scare: 9 unanswered questions https://t.co/w03JsuTgzA https://t.co/WDdXFgtd0Q
But don't overlook the possibility this is bad for Trump as well, if there is an increased focus on what he might be hiding about his own health. If, of course, he is hiding something rather than just not releasing anything beyond the claim that he will be the healthiest president ever.0 -
Trump played it (perhaps un)surprisingly well on his radio interview. Wishes her well; agrees with interviewer health is an issue; says will release plenty of stats from his recent medical.DecrepitJohnL said:
Sheer incompetence by Team Hillary to choose a body double who has pneumonia as well as the wrong ears and fingers.SimonStClare said:
You can only change the 'official line' so many times, before the media gets angry for being taken for fools. - Team Hilary have lost the trust element over this obviously false account.PlatoSaid said:Oh my word
NBC turns on Hillary
Hillary Clinton's health scare: 9 unanswered questions https://t.co/w03JsuTgzA https://t.co/WDdXFgtd0Q
But don't overlook the possibility this is bad for Trump as well, if there is an increased focus on what he might be hiding about his own health. If, of course, he is hiding something rather than just not releasing anything beyond the claim that he will be the healthiest president ever.0 -
"It’s often not the crime that undoes a politician, it’s the attempted cover-up. In Hillary Clinton’s case there’s no real crime, of course – no one can fault her for falling ill yet still ploughing through her schedule.
On the contrary, it’s rather admirable. But what the world saw on Sunday as she fell into her car was deeply distressing. She was clearly unable to walk, propped up against a pillar and held steady by an aide. Her head wobbled, her knees buckled. And down she went.
This display of infirmity came at the very worst moment possible: a ceremony to commemorate the victims of 9/11. America feels vulnerable, it needs direction and strength. The sight of Mrs Clinton’s fall suggests that she isn’t physically capable of providing either.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/12/the-worst-condition-hillary-clinton-suffers-from-isnt-pneumonia/0 -
What do Hillary's people say next? Presumably not the truth....
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Note: this thread, given the actual subject, is quite confusing when the term "Team Hillary" is bandied about.0
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Interesting legal news. It appears that 500 people convicted of murder including Stephen Lawrences killers could have their conviction overturned after a supreme court ruling that Joint Enterprise law had been misinterpreted for 30 years
http://dailym.ai/2cytfcT0 -
Increasing the hassle and bureaucracy will deter some people from going to Europe when we have agreements with first world countries where no visa is required.TOPPING said:
Max stop seeing things in such dramatic terms. Intituting a visa system, if it happens, won't "cut off tourist income...blah...blah..." If it happens, it will just make it slightly less convenient to go to the EU countries. No one will die, just a slight diminution in ease of life for many.MaxPB said:
It's still stupid because we won't ever have visas with the EU. I'm not sure that the EU is stupid enough to cut off tourist income from a nation which spends significantly more abroad than it receives from tourism.Richard_Nabavi said:
No it's not, it's a response to an EU Commission proposal:MaxPB said:
It doesn't matter because we're never going to have a visitor visa system with the EU. This is must Remoaner scaremongering.HYUFD said:
That may have worked 25 years ago, less so today when most have passed awaytaffys said:
Rudd might be better off asking whether the two million plus British troops who helped to liberate Europe from Nazism would have needed visasHYUFD said:The Telegraph reports today that Amber Rudd has suggested the EU may require visas for all future UK visitors to any EU nation, she also suggested if that did come to pass visas would also be required for all EU tourists visiting the UK
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/09/britons-may-have-to-apply-to-visit-europe-under-eu-visa-scheme
Honestly, it's time for Mrs Merkel grow some balls and sack the whole Commission. Juncker has become unhinged.
It sums up the consequences of our decision to leave quite well.
Or do you really think that every single aspect of our EU membership will stay the same, except the one or two arcane things you believe should stop?0 -
I don't know whether this is good or bad for her - If it isn't her, the only reason is that she was too ill to take part in the commemoration - so how does that help her? I note she has cancelled fund-raising trips to the land of milk and honey - which she presumably wouldn't have done if she had recovered enough to be dancing in the street with a young girl.GIN1138 said:
Bill Clinton: I'll just pop upstairs and ask her to stop dying and then you call come up and identify her!MaxPB said:
New conspiracy theories!
She may have pneumonia (or heatstroke etc) - if not why not admit it? Anyone can have a short illness totally unrelated to their age or chronic conditions (if any).0 -
I'm sure it will. Some people will end up in Norfolk instead of Paris. All part of the mostly imperceptible hassle of not being an EU member any more.MaxPB said:
Increasing the hassle and bureaucracy will deter some people from going to Europe when we have agreements with first world countries where no visa is required.TOPPING said:
Max stop seeing things in such dramatic terms. Intituting a visa system, if it happens, won't "cut off tourist income...blah...blah..." If it happens, it will just make it slightly less convenient to go to the EU countries. No one will die, just a slight diminution in ease of life for many.MaxPB said:
It's still stupid because we won't ever have visas with the EU. I'm not sure that the EU is stupid enough to cut off tourist income from a nation which spends significantly more abroad than it receives from tourism.Richard_Nabavi said:
No it's not, it's a response to an EU Commission proposal:MaxPB said:
It doesn't matter because we're never going to have a visitor visa system with the EU. This is must Remoaner scaremongering.HYUFD said:
That may have worked 25 years ago, less so today when most have passed awaytaffys said:
Rudd might be better off asking whether the two million plus British troops who helped to liberate Europe from Nazism would have needed visasHYUFD said:The Telegraph reports today that Amber Rudd has suggested the EU may require visas for all future UK visitors to any EU nation, she also suggested if that did come to pass visas would also be required for all EU tourists visiting the UK
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/09/britons-may-have-to-apply-to-visit-europe-under-eu-visa-scheme
Honestly, it's time for Mrs Merkel grow some balls and sack the whole Commission. Juncker has become unhinged.
It sums up the consequences of our decision to leave quite well.
Or do you really think that every single aspect of our EU membership will stay the same, except the one or two arcane things you believe should stop?
But as mentioned in my post, do you really think that nothing will change save for those couple of ECJ rulings you believe constitute an egregious violation of our sovereignty (to which we will adhere anyway)?0 -
Not necessarily right in this case, because it may be that what is being covered up is much more serious than "falling ill yet still ploughing through her schedule" and would of itself automatically rule her out of the presidency.PlatoSaid said:"It’s often not the crime that undoes a politician, it’s the attempted cover-up. In Hillary Clinton’s case there’s no real crime, of course – no one can fault her for falling ill yet still ploughing through her schedule.
On the contrary, it’s rather admirable. But what the world saw on Sunday as she fell into her car was deeply distressing. She was clearly unable to walk, propped up against a pillar and held steady by an aide. Her head wobbled, her knees buckled. And down she went.
This display of infirmity came at the very worst moment possible: a ceremony to commemorate the victims of 9/11. America feels vulnerable, it needs direction and strength. The sight of Mrs Clinton’s fall suggests that she isn’t physically capable of providing either.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/12/the-worst-condition-hillary-clinton-suffers-from-isnt-pneumonia/0 -
This probably isn't the thread to link to this tweet:
https://twitter.com/HuffPostUKPol/status/7753089687302553610 -
General Election
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Yes but it is cheaper to go to Spain, France or Greece than Florida, California or Australia so while some might switch others may just end up going to Blackpool, Bournemouth or Southend instead. Amongst the few winners from Brexit will be UK seaside resortsMaxPB said:
Increasing the hassle and bureaucracy will deter some people from going to Europe when we have agreements with first world countries where no visa is required.TOPPING said:
Max stop seeing things in such dramatic terms. Intituting a visa system, if it happens, won't "cut off tourist income...blah...blah..." If it happens, it will just make it slightly less convenient to go to the EU countries. No one will die, just a slight diminution in ease of life for many.MaxPB said:
It's still stupid because we won't ever have visas with the EU. I'm not sure that the EU is stupid enough to cut off tourist income from a nation which spends significantly more abroad than it receives from tourism.Richard_Nabavi said:
No it's not, it's a response to an EU Commission proposal:MaxPB said:
It doesn't matter because we're never going to have a visitor visa system with the EU. This is must Remoaner scaremongering.HYUFD said:
That may have worked 25 years ago, less so today when most have passed awaytaffys said:
Rudd might be better off asking whether the two million plus British troops who helped to liberate Europe from Nazism would have needed visasHYUFD said:The Telegraph reports today that Amber Rudd has suggested the EU may require visas for all future UK visitors to any EU nation, she also suggested if that did come to pass visas would also be required for all EU tourists visiting the UK
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/09/britons-may-have-to-apply-to-visit-europe-under-eu-visa-scheme
Honestly, it's time for Mrs Merkel grow some balls and sack the whole Commission. Juncker has become unhinged.
It sums up the consequences of our decision to leave quite well.
Or do you really think that every single aspect of our EU membership will stay the same, except the one or two arcane things you believe should stop?0 -
This is a stupid idea that's only supported by countries with elections coming up, I'd have thought it would go away after the elections had passed.JonathanD said:
The commission is proposing a visa waver program like ESTA.MaxPB said:
Yes, but that's still a visa-waiver programme, not an actual visa which is apparently being proposed by the Commission. A VWP like ESTA wouldn't be an issue,Richard_Nabavi said:
I'm not sure it would make much difference, actually. An online visa-waiver (which is essentially an on-line visa-application under a different name) scheme would be a bit of a pain but wouldn't deter tourism significantly, especially for Brits seeking the sun. Lots of Brits used to get visas to holiday in Egypt.MaxPB said:It's still stupid because we won't ever have visas with the EU. I'm not sure that the EU is stupid enough to cut off tourist income from a nation which spends significantly more abroad than it receives from tourism.
"France and Germany both back a system based on the US ESTA scheme, under which visitors from countries that do not require full visas must apply online for permission to travel,"0 -
Not quite as exciting as it sounds. Looks like he'll be slotted into the replacement.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Isn't it weird fun though? Perhaps Mossad is assistingSlackbladder said:
Isn't the 'theory' that it was hilary at the 9/11 event, but the double was the one which turned up a bit later with the child.DecrepitJohnL said:
Sheer incompetence by Team Hillary to choose a body double who has pneumonia as well as the wrong ears and fingers.SimonStClare said:
You can only change the 'official line' so many times, before the media gets angry for being taken for fools. - Team Hilary have lost the trust element over this obviously false account.PlatoSaid said:Oh my word
NBC turns on Hillary
Hillary Clinton's health scare: 9 unanswered questions https://t.co/w03JsuTgzA https://t.co/WDdXFgtd0Q
But don't overlook the possibility this is bad for Trump as well, if there is an increased focus on what he might be hiding about his own health. If, of course, he is hiding something rather than just not releasing anything beyond the claim that he will be the healthiest president ever.
the fact we're even debating this is crazy.
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Maybe the body double was told to leave early so she couldn't be questioned and in a cinderellaesque moment couldn't walk in those shoes and so tripped and left one behind.
A body double would explain those sunglasses as well - maybe the wrong colour eyes . . .0 -
You actually made me do that. Do I feel stupid? Oh yes.SandyRentool said:
When I look at the front of my hand, the ring finger looks shorter, but when I turn my hand around and look at the back, the index finger looks shorter...Ishmael_X said:
Mine isn't, it is markedly longer.rottenborough said:Speedy said:
Since one conspiracy theory might be proven correct, we now have to watch our backs.MaxPB said:
New conspiracy theories!
Who knows, with Hillary it might be correct.
I wouldn't want to outright reject those notions and embarrass myself like the Washington Post did, if they ever come true.
Eh. The ring finger is shorter. What are they talking about?MaxPB said:
New conspiracy theories!0 -
Slightly poor examples - USA and Australia both want visas. And I think people only ever went to Blackpool because they had no idea the Mediterranean existed, and now the cat is out of the bag they won't be going back there to save £20.HYUFD said:
Yes but it is cheaper to go to Spain, France or Greece than Florida, California or Australia so while some might switch others may just end up going to Blackpool, Bournemouth or Southend instead. Amongst the few winners from Brexit will be UK seaside resortsMaxPB said:
Increasing the hassle and bureaucracy will deter some people from going to Europe when we have agreements with first world countries where no visa is required.TOPPING said:
Max stop seeing things in such dramatic terms. Intituting a visa system, if it happens, won't "cut off tourist income...blah...blah..." If it happens, it will just make it slightly less convenient to go to the EU countries. No one will die, just a slight diminution in ease of life for many.MaxPB said:
It's still stupid because we won't ever have visas with the EU. I'm not sure that the EU is stupid enough to cut off tourist income from a nation which spends significantly more abroad than it receives from tourism.Richard_Nabavi said:
No it's not, it's a response to an EU Commission proposal:MaxPB said:
It doesn't matter because we're never going to have a visitor visa system with the EU. This is must Remoaner scaremongering.HYUFD said:
That may have worked 25 years ago, less so today when most have passed awaytaffys said:
Rudd might be better off asking whether the two million plus British troops who helped to liberate Europe from Nazism would have needed visasHYUFD said:The Telegraph reports today that Amber Rudd has suggested the EU may require visas for all future UK visitors to any EU nation, she also suggested if that did come to pass visas would also be required for all EU tourists visiting the UK
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/09/britons-may-have-to-apply-to-visit-europe-under-eu-visa-scheme
Honestly, it's time for Mrs Merkel grow some balls and sack the whole Commission. Juncker has become unhinged.
It sums up the consequences of our decision to leave quite well.
Or do you really think that every single aspect of our EU membership will stay the same, except the one or two arcane things you believe should stop?0 -
Was it a far left or far right brick or just a pissed off constituent brick?AlastairMeeks said:This probably isn't the thread to link to this tweet:
https://twitter.com/HuffPostUKPol/status/7753089687302553610 -
If this isn't THE Hilary what was the "fainting" episode all about? It's bad luck for the real Mrs Clinton to be ill AND the actress/impostor to be taken ill at the same time?weejonnie said:
I don't know whether this is good or bad for her - If it isn't her, the only reason is that she was too ill to take part in the commemoration - so how does that help her? I note she has cancelled fund-raising trips to the land of milk and honey - which she presumably wouldn't have done if she had recovered enough to be dancing in the street with a young girl.GIN1138 said:
Bill Clinton: I'll just pop upstairs and ask her to stop dying and then you call come up and identify her!MaxPB said:
New conspiracy theories!
She may have pneumonia (or heatstroke etc) - if not why not admit it? Anyone can have a short illness totally unrelated to their age or chronic conditions (if any).
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Is this really any more hassle than API?MaxPB said:
Increasing the hassle and bureaucracy will deter some people from going to Europe when we have agreements with first world countries where no visa is required.TOPPING said:
Max stop seeing things in such dramatic terms. Intituting a visa system, if it happens, won't "cut off tourist income...blah...blah..." If it happens, it will just make it slightly less convenient to go to the EU countries. No one will die, just a slight diminution in ease of life for many.MaxPB said:
It's still stupid because we won't ever have visas with the EU. I'm not sure that the EU is stupid enough to cut off tourist income from a nation which spends significantly more abroad than it receives from tourism.Richard_Nabavi said:
No it's not, it's a response to an EU Commission proposal:MaxPB said:
It doesn't matter because we're never going to have a visitor visa system with the EU. This is must Remoaner scaremongering.HYUFD said:
That may have worked 25 years ago, less so today when most have passed awaytaffys said:
Rudd might be better off asking whether the two million plus British troops who helped to liberate Europe from Nazism would have needed visasHYUFD said:The Telegraph reports today that Amber Rudd has suggested the EU may require visas for all future UK visitors to any EU nation, she also suggested if that did come to pass visas would also be required for all EU tourists visiting the UK
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/09/britons-may-have-to-apply-to-visit-europe-under-eu-visa-scheme
Honestly, it's time for Mrs Merkel grow some balls and sack the whole Commission. Juncker has become unhinged.
It sums up the consequences of our decision to leave quite well.
Or do you really think that every single aspect of our EU membership will stay the same, except the one or two arcane things you believe should stop?0 -
Most likely a red one (groan).Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Was it a far left or far right brick or just a pissed off constituent brick?AlastairMeeks said:This probably isn't the thread to link to this tweet:
https://twitter.com/HuffPostUKPol/status/7753089687302553610 -
I can't believe I'm doing this - but it's her arse/apple shape that doesn't look right either. And the hair is flat. Hillary never looks like that - it's always bouffed up.weejonnie said:Maybe the body double was told to leave early so she couldn't be questioned and in a cinderellaesque moment couldn't walk in those shoes and so tripped and left one behind.
A body double would explain those sunglasses as well - maybe the wrong colour eyes . . .0 -
Real Hillary faints, gets taken to daughter's apartment. Pretend Hillary is smuggled into apartment building, emerges 90 mins later to say everything now fine.GIN1138 said:
If this isn't THE Hilary what the "fainting" episode all about? It's bad luck for the real Mrs Clinton to be ill AND the actress/impostor to be taken ill at the same time?weejonnie said:
I don't know whether this is good or bad for her - If it isn't her, the only reason is that she was too ill to take part in the commemoration - so how does that help her? I note she has cancelled fund-raising trips to the land of milk and honey - which she presumably wouldn't have done if she had recovered enough to be dancing in the street with a young girl.GIN1138 said:
Bill Clinton: I'll just pop upstairs and ask her to stop dying and then you call come up and identify her!MaxPB said:
New conspiracy theories!
She may have pneumonia (or heatstroke etc) - if not why not admit it? Anyone can have a short illness totally unrelated to their age or chronic conditions (if any).0 -
If a red house is made of red bricks and a yellow house is made of yellow bricks...weejonnie said:
Most likely a red one (groan).Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Was it a far left or far right brick or just a pissed off constituent brick?AlastairMeeks said:This probably isn't the thread to link to this tweet:
https://twitter.com/HuffPostUKPol/status/7753089687302553610 -
Don't try to lick your elbow....DavidL said:
You actually made me do that. Do I feel stupid? Oh yes.SandyRentool said:
When I look at the front of my hand, the ring finger looks shorter, but when I turn my hand around and look at the back, the index finger looks shorter...Ishmael_X said:
Mine isn't, it is markedly longer.rottenborough said:Speedy said:
Since one conspiracy theory might be proven correct, we now have to watch our backs.MaxPB said:
New conspiracy theories!
Who knows, with Hillary it might be correct.
I wouldn't want to outright reject those notions and embarrass myself like the Washington Post did, if they ever come true.
Eh. The ring finger is shorter. What are they talking about?MaxPB said:
New conspiracy theories!0 -
Depends how onerous the visa requirements imposed by the EU were to be, the U.S. for example has visa waivers. Some will undoubtedly still go to EU nations even with the hassle of visas and the extra cost, some may prefer to stay at homeIshmael_X said:
Slightly poor examples - USA and Australia both want visas. And I think people only ever went to Blackpool because they had no idea the Mediterranean existed, and now the cat is out of the bag they won't be going back there to save £20.HYUFD said:
Yes but it is cheaper to go to Spain, France or Greece than Florida, California or Australia so while some might switch others may just end up going to Blackpool, Bournemouth or Southend instead. Amongst the few winners from Brexit will be UK seaside resortsMaxPB said:
Increasing the hassle and bureaucracy will deter some people from going to Europe when we have agreements with first world countries where no visa is required.TOPPING said:
Max stop seeing things in such dramatic terms. Intituting a visa system, if it happens, won't "cut off tourist o leave quite well.MaxPB said:
It's still stupid because we won't ever have visas with the EU. I'm not sure that the EU is stupid enough to cut off tourist income from a nation which spends significantly more abroad than it receives from tourism.Richard_Nabavi said:
No it's not, it's a response to an EU Commission proposal:MaxPB said:
It doesn't matter because we're never going to have a visitor visa system with the EU. This is must Remoaner scaremongering.HYUFD said:
That may have worked 25 years ago, less so today when most have passed awaytaffys said:
Rudd might be better off asking whether the two million plus British troops who helped to liberate Europe from Nazism would have needed visasHYUFD said:The Telegraph reports today that Amber Rudd has suggested the EU may require visas for all future UK visitors to any EU nation, she also suggested if that did come to pass visas would also be required for all EU tourists visiting the UK
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/09/britons-may-have-to-apply-to-visit-europe-under-eu-visa-scheme
Honestly, it's time for Mrs Merkel grow some balls and sack the whole Commission. Juncker has become unhinged.
Or do you really think that every single aspect of our EU membership will stay the same, except the one or two arcane things you believe should stop?0 -
The way things have been going I am amazed they are brave enough to drink the coffee.0
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''I can't believe I'm doing this - but it's her arse/apple shape that doesn't look right either. And the hair is flat. Hillary never looks like that - it's always bouffed up. ''
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*swaps clothes*Ishmael_X said:
Real Hillary faints, gets taken to daughter's apartment. Pretend Hillary is smuggled into apartment building, emerges 90 mins later to say everything now fine.GIN1138 said:
If this isn't THE Hilary what the "fainting" episode all about? It's bad luck for the real Mrs Clinton to be ill AND the actress/impostor to be taken ill at the same time?weejonnie said:
I don't know whether this is good or bad for her - If it isn't her, the only reason is that she was too ill to take part in the commemoration - so how does that help her? I note she has cancelled fund-raising trips to the land of milk and honey - which she presumably wouldn't have done if she had recovered enough to be dancing in the street with a young girl.GIN1138 said:
Bill Clinton: I'll just pop upstairs and ask her to stop dying and then you call come up and identify her!MaxPB said:
New conspiracy theories!
She may have pneumonia (or heatstroke etc) - if not why not admit it? Anyone can have a short illness totally unrelated to their age or chronic conditions (if any).0 -
Well I think "Pretend Hilary" looks/sounds more like "REAL Hilary" than "Fainting Hilary"?Ishmael_X said:
Real Hillary faints, gets taken to daughter's apartment. Pretend Hillary is smuggled into apartment building, emerges 90 mins later to say everything now fine.GIN1138 said:
If this isn't THE Hilary what the "fainting" episode all about? It's bad luck for the real Mrs Clinton to be ill AND the actress/impostor to be taken ill at the same time?weejonnie said:
I don't know whether this is good or bad for her - If it isn't her, the only reason is that she was too ill to take part in the commemoration - so how does that help her? I note she has cancelled fund-raising trips to the land of milk and honey - which she presumably wouldn't have done if she had recovered enough to be dancing in the street with a young girl.GIN1138 said:
Bill Clinton: I'll just pop upstairs and ask her to stop dying and then you call come up and identify her!MaxPB said:
New conspiracy theories!
She may have pneumonia (or heatstroke etc) - if not why not admit it? Anyone can have a short illness totally unrelated to their age or chronic conditions (if any).0 -
Hold on wasn't Owen Smith a 50-50 runner according to Mr Brind ?0
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I never knew so many body doubles existed - seen dozens on Twitter for Stalin, Saddam...GIN1138 said:
Well I think "Pretend Hilary" looks/sounds more like "REAL Hilary" than "Fainting Hilary"?Ishmael_X said:
Real Hillary faints, gets taken to daughter's apartment. Pretend Hillary is smuggled into apartment building, emerges 90 mins later to say everything now fine.GIN1138 said:
If this isn't THE Hilary what the "fainting" episode all about? It's bad luck for the real Mrs Clinton to be ill AND the actress/impostor to be taken ill at the same time?weejonnie said:
I don't know whether this is good or bad for her - If it isn't her, the only reason is that she was too ill to take part in the commemoration - so how does that help her? I note she has cancelled fund-raising trips to the land of milk and honey - which she presumably wouldn't have done if she had recovered enough to be dancing in the street with a young girl.GIN1138 said:
Bill Clinton: I'll just pop upstairs and ask her to stop dying and then you call come up and identify her!MaxPB said:
New conspiracy theories!
She may have pneumonia (or heatstroke etc) - if not why not admit it? Anyone can have a short illness totally unrelated to their age or chronic conditions (if any).0 -
taffys said:
''I can't believe I'm doing this - but it's her arse/apple shape that doesn't look right either. And the hair is flat. Hillary never looks like that - it's always bouffed up. ''
There is something of the 'Dear Leader' about all this
Where's Tapestry when you need him?
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I tend to agree; I am just expounding the theory, not endorsing it.GIN1138 said:
Well I think "Pretend Hilary" looks/sounds more like "REAL Hilary" than "Fainting Hilary"?Ishmael_X said:
Real Hillary faints, gets taken to daughter's apartment. Pretend Hillary is smuggled into apartment building, emerges 90 mins later to say everything now fine.GIN1138 said:
If this isn't THE Hilary what the "fainting" episode all about? It's bad luck for the real Mrs Clinton to be ill AND the actress/impostor to be taken ill at the same time?weejonnie said:
I don't know whether this is good or bad for her - If it isn't her, the only reason is that she was too ill to take part in the commemoration - so how does that help her? I note she has cancelled fund-raising trips to the land of milk and honey - which she presumably wouldn't have done if she had recovered enough to be dancing in the street with a young girl.GIN1138 said:
Bill Clinton: I'll just pop upstairs and ask her to stop dying and then you call come up and identify her!MaxPB said:
New conspiracy theories!
She may have pneumonia (or heatstroke etc) - if not why not admit it? Anyone can have a short illness totally unrelated to their age or chronic conditions (if any).0 -
I notice some of the talking heads on US media try to shut down this story that talk of Clinton's health is sexist, that one would never do that for a male candidate....cough cough McCain....PlatoSaid said:Oh my word
NBC turns on Hillary
Hillary Clinton's health scare: 9 unanswered questions https://t.co/w03JsuTgzA https://t.co/WDdXFgtd0Q0 -
True. It is just another example of the reasons why the EU Commission has been very bad for the economies it has a say in their operation.MaxPB said:
Increasing the hassle and bureaucracy will deter some people from going to Europe when we have agreements with first world countries where no visa is required.TOPPING said:
Max stop seeing things in such dramatic terms. Intituting a visa system, if it happens, won't "cut off tourist income...blah...blah..." If it happens, it will just make it slightly less convenient to go to the EU countries. No one will die, just a slight diminution in ease of life for many.MaxPB said:
It's still stupid because we won't ever have visas with the EU. I'm not sure that the EU is stupid enough to cut off tourist income from a nation which spends significantly more abroad than it receives from tourism.Richard_Nabavi said:
No it's not, it's a response to an EU Commission proposal:MaxPB said:
It doesn't matter because we're never going to have a visitor visa system with the EU. This is must Remoaner scaremongering.HYUFD said:
That may have worked 25 years ago, less so today when most have passed awaytaffys said:
Rudd might be better off asking whether the two million plus British troops who helped to liberate Europe from Nazism would have needed visasHYUFD said:The Telegraph reports today that Amber Rudd has suggested the EU may require visas for all future UK visitors to any EU nation, she also suggested if that did come to pass visas would also be required for all EU tourists visiting the UK
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/09/britons-may-have-to-apply-to-visit-europe-under-eu-visa-scheme
Honestly, it's time for Mrs Merkel grow some balls and sack the whole Commission. Juncker has become unhinged.
It sums up the consequences of our decision to leave quite well.
Or do you really think that every single aspect of our EU membership will stay the same, except the one or two arcane things you believe should stop?
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Afternoon all
Given the history of American Presidents and their health, I'm surprised anyone is bothered at all by Hillary Clinton's health issue. First, let me wish her well - pneumonia isn't pleasant but it can be overcome.
I'm puzzled by the wave of anti-Clinton hysteria on here. No one has explained to me how a Trump Presidency would benefit Britain let alone America. If I had a vote in the US election, I wouldn't be backing the Donald under any circumstances. I do accept neither candidate is an FDR or a Reagan but it is a transition before the next wave of younger candidates emerges.
Trump is simply a mirror on which people reflect their anger, sense of entitlement, loss of identity etc. I've yet to hear a scintilla of a constructive programme or policy beyond building a wall and of course tax cuts for the wealthy.
Apart from some desire to "kick the Establishment", why would anyone vote for Trump or want to see him win ?
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I know our resident doctor put it down to simple fainting but there was, to my couldn't be less trained eye, something of a fit about her collapse. That is what is so disturbing.Ishmael_X said:
I tend to agree; I am just expounding the theory, not endorsing it.GIN1138 said:
Well I think "Pretend Hilary" looks/sounds more like "REAL Hilary" than "Fainting Hilary"?Ishmael_X said:
Real Hillary faints, gets taken to daughter's apartment. Pretend Hillary is smuggled into apartment building, emerges 90 mins later to say everything now fine.GIN1138 said:
If this isn't THE Hilary what the "fainting" episode all about? It's bad luck for the real Mrs Clinton to be ill AND the actress/impostor to be taken ill at the same time?weejonnie said:
I don't know whether this is good or bad for her - If it isn't her, the only reason is that she was too ill to take part in the commemoration - so how does that help her? I note she has cancelled fund-raising trips to the land of milk and honey - which she presumably wouldn't have done if she had recovered enough to be dancing in the street with a young girl.GIN1138 said:
Bill Clinton: I'll just pop upstairs and ask her to stop dying and then you call come up and identify her!MaxPB said:
New conspiracy theories!
She may have pneumonia (or heatstroke etc) - if not why not admit it? Anyone can have a short illness totally unrelated to their age or chronic conditions (if any).0 -
The main positive for Trump in UK terms is he backed Brexit unlike Hillary. However in the round Hillary would still probably be a better choice for Britainstodge said:Afternoon all
Given the history of American Presidents and their health, I'm surprised anyone is bothered at all by Hillary Clinton's health issue. First, let me wish her well - pneumonia isn't pleasant but it can be overcome.
I'm puzzled by the wave of anti-Clinton hysteria on here. No one has explained to me how a Trump Presidency would benefit Britain let alone America. If I had a vote in the US election, I wouldn't be backing the Donald under any circumstances. I do accept neither candidate is an FDR or a Reagan but it is a transition before the next wave of younger candidates emerges.
Trump is simply a mirror on which people reflect their anger, sense of entitlement, loss of identity etc. I've yet to hear a scintilla of a constructive programme or policy beyond building a wall and of course tax cuts for the wealthy.
Apart from some desire to "kick the Establishment", why would anyone vote for Trump or want to see him win ?0 -
It seemed rather similar to those other two clips of strange Clinton behaviour. Perhaps she had pneumonia then too.TOPPING said:
I know our resident doctor put it down to simple fainting but there was, to my couldn't be less trained eye, something of a fit about her collapse. That is what is so disturbing.Ishmael_X said:
I tend to agree; I am just expounding the theory, not endorsing it.GIN1138 said:
Well I think "Pretend Hilary" looks/sounds more like "REAL Hilary" than "Fainting Hilary"?Ishmael_X said:
Real Hillary faints, gets taken to daughter's apartment. Pretend Hillary is smuggled into apartment building, emerges 90 mins later to say everything now fine.GIN1138 said:
If this isn't THE Hilary what the "fainting" episode all about? It's bad luck for the real Mrs Clinton to be ill AND the actress/impostor to be taken ill at the same time?weejonnie said:
I don't know whether this is good or bad for her - If it isn't her, the only reason is that she was too ill to take part in the commemoration - so how does that help her? I note she has cancelled fund-raising trips to the land of milk and honey - which she presumably wouldn't have done if she had recovered enough to be dancing in the street with a young girl.GIN1138 said:
Bill Clinton: I'll just pop upstairs and ask her to stop dying and then you call come up and identify her!MaxPB said:
New conspiracy theories!
She may have pneumonia (or heatstroke etc) - if not why not admit it? Anyone can have a short illness totally unrelated to their age or chronic conditions (if any).0 -
Jeremy Corbyn’s Islington seat is to vanish from the map following the boundary changes, leaving Jez to fight it out for a new seat called Finsbury Park and Stoke Newington. Sources with intimate knowledge of the Boundary Review tell Guido that the new seat will take in the ward of Stamford Hill West in Hackney. Stamford Hill West forms part of a 30,000 strong Orthodox Jewish community. 37.6% of people living Stamford Hill West identify as Jewish.
http://order-order.com/2016/09/12/oy-vey-corbyns-new-seat-home-to-huge-jewish-community/0 -
As someone who though Trump would pivot, I'm mostly in agreement. He hasn't and would not be a good POTUS. I'm hoping Hillary backs out and Kaine is able to run in her place. He seems like an all around safer pair of hands.stodge said:Afternoon all
Given the history of American Presidents and their health, I'm surprised anyone is bothered at all by Hillary Clinton's health issue. First, let me wish her well - pneumonia isn't pleasant but it can be overcome.
I'm puzzled by the wave of anti-Clinton hysteria on here. No one has explained to me how a Trump Presidency would benefit Britain let alone America. If I had a vote in the US election, I wouldn't be backing the Donald under any circumstances. I do accept neither candidate is an FDR or a Reagan but it is a transition before the next wave of younger candidates emerges.
Trump is simply a mirror on which people reflect their anger, sense of entitlement, loss of identity etc. I've yet to hear a scintilla of a constructive programme or policy beyond building a wall and of course tax cuts for the wealthy.
Apart from some desire to "kick the Establishment", why would anyone vote for Trump or want to see him win ?0 -
Heart of stone etc...TheScreamingEagles said:Jeremy Corbyn’s Islington seat is to vanish from the map following the boundary changes, leaving Jez to fight it out for a new seat called Finsbury Park and Stoke Newington. Sources with intimate knowledge of the Boundary Review tell Guido that the new seat will take in the ward of Stamford Hill West in Hackney. Stamford Hill West forms part of a 30,000 strong Orthodox Jewish community. 37.6% of people living Stamford Hill West identify as Jewish.
http://order-order.com/2016/09/12/oy-vey-corbyns-new-seat-home-to-huge-jewish-community/
Might give the boundary reforms enough rebel Labour support to go through if these are confirmed.0
