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1921 – 1979
The six counties of Northern Ireland (created after the creation of the Irish Free State in 1921) have been returning MP’s to Westminster centuries, but it is only since 1950 when the concept of one elector, one vote was established with the abolition of the university seats that Northern Irelan’s MP’s really started to count.
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Second, and great work Harry! I look forward to seeing your predictions of who'd win each seat on the new boundaries.0
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Eveninng all.
Most impressive Mr Hayfield – many thanks for all the effort involved.0 -
Well done Harry, great effort. 17 down, 583 to go!0
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Ooh Aah up the boundary changes
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Wow. The ways this site finds to inform me never cease to astonish me. Many thanks.0
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The BBC published the supposed new boundaries earlier today
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-37281097
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Can I just say, for the record, that James Craig was an arsehole who desrves to burn in hell for what he did to Irelandf0
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OMG
This is hilarious, not necessarily for the intended reasons
http://observer.com/2016/09/this-viral-hashtag-about-men-having-periods-took-an-interesting-turn/0 -
What the...?PlatoSaid said:OMG
This is hilarious, not necessarily for the intended reasons
http://observer.com/2016/09/this-viral-hashtag-about-men-having-periods-took-an-interesting-turn/
Proof, if ever it were needed, that
1. Twitter is the ultimate echo chamber,
and
2. There are some special little snowflakes out there who are determined to see the extreme offensiveness in absolutely everything.0 -
It has been suggested that only Sinn Fein are likely to be happy with these proposals and that the Unionist parties will probably vote against them in Autumn 2018.0
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Inflicted a century of British rule on Ulster?Charles said:Can I just say, for the record, that James Craig was an arsehole who desrves to burn in hell for what he did to Irelandf
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Has Vaz just resigned as Chairman or has he also resigned from being on the Committee?
Been out all day and media reports don't seem to be explicit on this.
Or does one follow the other - ie if he was elected by MPs as Chairman then by resigning does he also leave the Committee?0 -
Perhaps we can stick BLM nitwits in one of these instead
History
1930s Outdoor Baby Cage. https://t.co/ykUcFpjBMK0 -
"It would be rather interesting for historians of the future to compare a Catholic State launched in the South with a Protestant State launched in the North and to see which gets on the better and prospers the more. It is most interesting for me at the moment to watch how they are progressing. I am doing my best always to top the bill and to be ahead of the South." James Craig.Charles said:Can I just say, for the record, that James Craig was an arsehole who desrves to burn in hell for what he did to Irelandf
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Can anyone provide a summary of the likely net changes in terms of seats?
Obviously just one seat less so the net change can't be vast but how are seats (ie overall) changing - eg from safe to marginal etc?
Presumably all current (sitting) NI MPs likely to vote against the Statutory Instrument? That's quite important - if any vote for then it would increase the chances of it passing quite a bit.0 -
https://medium.com/@steve4good/jeremy-corbyn-s-inconvenient-truth-34d7f462d2a6#.7b9tdey0o
Worth reposting this. It is not just Corbyn's leadership skills (or lack of) which make him unfit to be Labour leader. It is what he believes, what he says and what he does.
James Craig certainly deserves to burn in hell, as per @Charles below, but a special place should be reserved for the IRA and those who supported them who brought so much misery to so many for so long.0 -
I would have thought for breeding sectarianism more than anythingwilliamglenn said:
Inflicted a century of British rule on Ulster?Charles said:Can I just say, for the record, that James Craig was an arsehole who desrves to burn in hell for what he did to Irelandf
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Many thanks, Harry, that's an amazing piece of work.
Good evening, everybody.0 -
Edward Carson, a great man who deserved the British State Funeral he received, ensured the people of Ulster got to choose their own destiny.williamglenn said:
Inflicted a century of British rule on Ulster?Charles said:Can I just say, for the record, that James Craig was an arsehole who desrves to burn in hell for what he did to Irelandf
Craig, when he betrayed Carson, turned Northern Ireland into a sectarian hellhole for 50 years.
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The counterfactual - the future that Carson envisaged - was better than bothnunu said:
"It would be rather interesting for historians of the future to compare a Catholic State launched in the South with a Protestant State launched in the North and to see which gets on the better and prospers the more. It is most interesting for me at the moment to watch how they are progressing. I am doing my best always to top the bill and to be ahead of the South." James Craig.Charles said:Can I just say, for the record, that James Craig was an arsehole who desrves to burn in hell for what he did to Irelandf
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Not many marginals! Though I don't know where the seat is effectively disappearing from...
Antrim East: DUP safe,
Antrim North: DUP safe,
Antrim West: DUP safe,
Belfast East: DUP / Alliance marginal (DUP safe if Unionist pact in place),
Belfast North West: SF / DUP marginal (unlikely to change if Unionist pact in place),
Belfast South West: SF safe,
Dalriada: DUP safe,
Down North: Ind safe,
Down South: SDLP safe,
Down West: DUP safe,
Fermanagh and South Tyrone: SF / UUP marginal (potential to change hands if Unionist pact in place),
Foyle: SDLP safe,
Glenshane: SF marginal (Unionist safe if Unionist pact in place),
Newry and Armagh: SF safe,
Strangford: DUP safe,
Tyrone North: SF safe,
Upper Bann and Blackwater: SF marginal (Unionist safe if Unionist pact in place)0 -
Interesting jump from "Ulster" to "Northern Ireland" between your first and second sentences, there.Charles said:
Edward Carson, a great man who deserved the British State Funeral he received, ensured the people of Ulster got to choose their own destiny.williamglenn said:
Inflicted a century of British rule on Ulster?Charles said:Can I just say, for the record, that James Craig was an arsehole who desrves to burn in hell for what he did to Irelandf
Craig, when he betrayed Carson, turned Northern Ireland into a sectarian hellhole for 50 years.
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As I have said before on past performance , the first release of draft boundaries is likely to have little resemblance to the final approved ones .0
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Kevin Schofield
So Labour DID vote against a bill which Labour MP Caroline Flint successfully amended. Answers on a postcard please. https://t.co/1W6jrwEe0W0 -
That's what happens when you're making it up as you go along.PlatoSaid said:Kevin Schofield
So Labour DID vote against a bill which Labour MP Caroline Flint successfully amended. Answers on a postcard please. https://t.co/1W6jrwEe0W0 -
Sure. When the vote was taken all 9 counties (Ulster) got to decide. When Craig took control it was of the 6 counties of Northern Ireland.Cyclefree said:
Interesting jump from "Ulster" to "Northern Ireland" between your first and second sentences, there.Charles said:
Edward Carson, a great man who deserved the British State Funeral he received, ensured the people of Ulster got to choose their own destiny.williamglenn said:
Inflicted a century of British rule on Ulster?Charles said:Can I just say, for the record, that James Craig was an arsehole who desrves to burn in hell for what he did to Irelandf
Craig, when he betrayed Carson, turned Northern Ireland into a sectarian hellhole for 50 years.
Anyone might think I know that whereof I speak
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Charles said:
The counterfactual - the future that Carson envisaged - was better than bothnunu said:
"It would be rather interesting for historians of the future to compare a Catholic State launched in the South with a Protestant State launched in the North and to see which gets on the better and prospers the more. It is most interesting for me at the moment to watch how they are progressing. I am doing my best always to top the bill and to be ahead of the South." James Craig.Charles said:Can I just say, for the record, that James Craig was an arsehole who desrves to burn in hell for what he did to Irelandf
Which was?Charles said:
The counterfactual - the future that Carson envisaged - was better than bothnunu said:
"It would be rather interesting for historians of the future to compare a Catholic State launched in the South with a Protestant State launched in the North and to see which gets on the better and prospers the more. It is most interesting for me at the moment to watch how they are progressing. I am doing my best always to top the bill and to be ahead of the South." James Craig.Charles said:Can I just say, for the record, that James Craig was an arsehole who desrves to burn in hell for what he did to Irelandf
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Ned Simmons
Owen Smith: 'We're not champagne socialists but we do want champagne for everyone.' I'm sold. https://t.co/fS5oyxOvVp0 -
First preference was a United Ireland inside the unionCasino_Royale said:Charles said:
The counterfactual - the future that Carson envisaged - was better than bothnunu said:
"It would be rather interesting for historians of the future to compare a Catholic State launched in the South with a Protestant State launched in the North and to see which gets on the better and prospers the more. It is most interesting for me at the moment to watch how they are progressing. I am doing my best always to top the bill and to be ahead of the South." James Craig.Charles said:Can I just say, for the record, that James Craig was an arsehole who desrves to burn in hell for what he did to Irelandf
Which was?Charles said:
The counterfactual - the future that Carson envisaged - was better than bothnunu said:
"It would be rather interesting for historians of the future to compare a Catholic State launched in the South with a Protestant State launched in the North and to see which gets on the better and prospers the more. It is most interesting for me at the moment to watch how they are progressing. I am doing my best always to top the bill and to be ahead of the South." James Craig.Charles said:Can I just say, for the record, that James Craig was an arsehole who desrves to burn in hell for what he did to Irelandf
Second was integrated Ulster (which would have been much more balanced between Catholic and Protestant)
Third was a liberal, outward looking and progressive Northern Ireland
What he got was Craig's dystopian dream of a benighted realm he controlled (Carson was forced to retire to London)0 -
An excellent piece of work, Sir! You won't be reading detail like this in the broadsheets.
Unless they nick it...0 -
FreePlatoSaid said:Ned Simmons
Owen Smith: 'We're not champagne socialists but we do want champagne for everyone.' I'm sold. https://t.co/fS5oyxOvVpowlschampers for everyone....0 -
South Belfast.TheWhiteRabbit said:Not many marginals! Though I don't know where the seat is effectively disappearing from...
Antrim East: DUP safe,
Antrim North: DUP safe,
Antrim West: DUP safe,
Belfast East: DUP / Alliance marginal (DUP safe if Unionist pact in place),
Belfast North West: SF / DUP marginal (unlikely to change if Unionist pact in place),
Belfast South West: SF safe,
Dalriada: DUP safe,
Down North: Ind safe,
Down South: SDLP safe,
Down West: DUP safe,
Fermanagh and South Tyrone: SF / UUP marginal (potential to change hands if Unionist pact in place),
Foyle: SDLP safe,
Glenshane: SF marginal (Unionist safe if Unionist pact in place),
Newry and Armagh: SF safe,
Strangford: DUP safe,
Tyrone North: SF safe,
Upper Bann and Blackwater: SF marginal (Unionist safe if Unionist pact in place)0 -
And in that change lay the seeds of much misery and trouble.Charles said:
Sure. When the vote was taken all 9 counties (Ulster) got to decide. When Craig took control it was of the 6 counties of Northern Ireland.Cyclefree said:
Interesting jump from "Ulster" to "Northern Ireland" between your first and second sentences, there.Charles said:
Edward Carson, a great man who deserved the British State Funeral he received, ensured the people of Ulster got to choose their own destiny.williamglenn said:
Inflicted a century of British rule on Ulster?Charles said:Can I just say, for the record, that James Craig was an arsehole who desrves to burn in hell for what he did to Irelandf
Craig, when he betrayed Carson, turned Northern Ireland into a sectarian hellhole for 50 years.
Anyone might think I know that whereof I speak
Incidentally, I have the original land deeds for my family's farm in Ireland from the 1780's, from a time when Ireland - the whole of the island - was independent, before the Wolf Tone rebellion, before the 1801 Act of Union.0 -
What an oik. That's what Prosecco is for....PlatoSaid said:Ned Simmons
Owen Smith: 'We're not champagne socialists but we do want champagne for everyone.' I'm sold. https://t.co/fS5oyxOvVp0 -
Indeed it did. We still the Chief Justice's desk and a few oddments but most of it was burnt in the 1920s when we were politely asked to leave. It would be nice to go back to Connemara and spend some time there - I've been to Galway a few times since the family's banishments were lifted in the 1990s but never out West.Cyclefree said:
And in that change lay the seeds of much misery and trouble.Charles said:
Sure. When the vote was taken all 9 counties (Ulster) got to decide. When Craig took control it was of the 6 counties of Northern Ireland.Cyclefree said:
Interesting jump from "Ulster" to "Northern Ireland" between your first and second sentences, there.Charles said:
Edward Carson, a great man who deserved the British State Funeral he received, ensured the people of Ulster got to choose their own destiny.williamglenn said:
Inflicted a century of British rule on Ulster?Charles said:Can I just say, for the record, that James Craig was an arsehole who desrves to burn in hell for what he did to Irelandf
Craig, when he betrayed Carson, turned Northern Ireland into a sectarian hellhole for 50 years.
Anyone might think I know that whereof I speak
Incidentally, I have the original land deeds for my family's farm in Ireland from the 1780's, from a time when Ireland - the whole of the island - was independent, before the Wolf Tone rebellion, before the 1801 Act of Union.0 -
Parly
#KeithVaz will cede his place on liaison cmtee but remains member of admin cmtee and jt cmtee on national security https://t.co/FjhdnwkGVD0 -
The rules have changed since I was there but thisMikeL said:Has Vaz just resigned as Chairman or has he also resigned from being on the Committee?
Been out all day and media reports don't seem to be explicit on this.
Or does one follow the other - ie if he was elected by MPs as Chairman then by resigning does he also leave the Committee?
https://www.parliament.uk/documents/commons-information-office/Brief-Guides/Select-Committees.pdf
appears to indicate that chairmen are elected separately and are not normal members, so resigning means you're no longer on the committee at all.
If there's a market on it, I'd make Chuka the favourite, even though Yvette is standing, because Chuka is currently a member already.
My impression is that there's a certain sympathy in the Commons for Vaz, since after a career with recurrent controversy he seemed to have found an effective niche: he was seen as one of the stronger committee chairs. In addition, if no law was broken, many MPs are generally aware of one or another embarrassing personal matter that they'd rather not see the light of day, so there's a "There but for the grace..." factor. It's clear that he couldn't chair the committee given its focus on the prostitution issue, but unless more comes to light I think MPs will now mostly be gentle with him.0 -
Jeremy Corbyn has revealed he is investigating allegations that Labour’s leadership contest is being rigged against him after a number of his supporters received letters barring them from taking part.
In an interview with the Guardian, the Labour leader said he hoped party officials were not working against him but could not rule out the possibility.
“I’m surprised at the numbers of people who’ve been denied a vote and I’m surprised at the lack of reason that’s been given to people,” he said, in his strongest intervention on the subject so far.
“I’m concerned about that because surely in a democratic process everyone should be entitled to vote unless there is some very good reason against them.”0 -
http://www.thecanary.co/2016/09/06/jeremy-corbyn-makes-move-claims-leadership-contest-rigged/
The Compliance Unit making these decisions includes 2 right wing members of the NEC that have been voted off FFS0 -
You seem quite convinced that it will be maintained an opposition MP. But that must be a shift from when Vaz took over, during a Labour administration.NickPalmer said:
The rules have changed since I was there but thisMikeL said:Has Vaz just resigned as Chairman or has he also resigned from being on the Committee?
Been out all day and media reports don't seem to be explicit on this.
Or does one follow the other - ie if he was elected by MPs as Chairman then by resigning does he also leave the Committee?
https://www.parliament.uk/documents/commons-information-office/Brief-Guides/Select-Committees.pdf
appears to indicate that chairmen are elected separately and are not normal members, so resigning means you're no longer on the committee at all.
If there's a market on it, I'd make Chuka the favourite, even though Yvette is standing, because Chuka is currently a member already.
My impression is that there's a certain sympathy in the Commons for Vaz, since after a career with recurrent controversy he seemed to have found an effective niche: he was seen as one of the stronger committee chairs. In addition, if no law was broken, many MPs are generally aware of one or another embarrassing personal matter that they'd rather not see the light of day, so there's a "There but for the grace..." factor. It's clear that he couldn't chair the committee given its focus on the prostitution issue, but unless more comes to light I think MPs will now mostly be gentle with him.0 -
FTPT
In 2012 the Roper Centre Had Independents voting for Romney 50/45 in his favour.williamglenn said:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/773206341296979972
Anyone still believe Hillary is well clear?
Roper also had their Democrat/Republican/Independent split at 38/32/29, in recent times there has always been more people who are registered as Democracts than Republicans and as a result 'Independents' skew Republican.
The CNN/ORC poll has their sample split as 28/32/40. The sample is not great or there has been a mass deregistration of Democrats that has otherwise gone unnoticed.0 -
Are these the Corbyn supporters who are members of other parties?bigjohnowls said:Jeremy Corbyn has revealed he is investigating allegations that Labour’s leadership contest is being rigged against him after a number of his supporters received letters barring them from taking part.
In an interview with the Guardian, the Labour leader said he hoped party officials were not working against him but could not rule out the possibility.
“I’m surprised at the numbers of people who’ve been denied a vote and I’m surprised at the lack of reason that’s been given to people,” he said, in his strongest intervention on the subject so far.
“I’m concerned about that because surely in a democratic process everyone should be entitled to vote unless there is some very good reason against them.”0 -
I apologise now for the analogy I use in the morning thread.
It'll have you all reaching for the mind bleach.0 -
Thanks Nick - much appreciated.NickPalmer said:
The rules have changed since I was there but thisMikeL said:Has Vaz just resigned as Chairman or has he also resigned from being on the Committee?
Been out all day and media reports don't seem to be explicit on this.
Or does one follow the other - ie if he was elected by MPs as Chairman then by resigning does he also leave the Committee?
https://www.parliament.uk/documents/commons-information-office/Brief-Guides/Select-Committees.pdf
appears to indicate that chairmen are elected separately and are not normal members, so resigning means you're no longer on the committee at all.
If there's a market on it, I'd make Chuka the favourite, even though Yvette is standing, because Chuka is currently a member already.
My impression is that there's a certain sympathy in the Commons for Vaz, since after a career with recurrent controversy he seemed to have found an effective niche: he was seen as one of the stronger committee chairs. In addition, if no law was broken, many MPs are generally aware of one or another embarrassing personal matter that they'd rather not see the light of day, so there's a "There but for the grace..." factor. It's clear that he couldn't chair the committee given its focus on the prostitution issue, but unless more comes to light I think MPs will now mostly be gentle with him.
I'm afraid that journalism standards have fallen so much that it's now par for the course that the simple most basic of facts isn't even mentioned in any report on the subject.0 -
Excellent article, Harry.
I like the name Dalriada for a constituency. Lots of history behind it, and for once in Ireland none of it to do with Catholics vs Protestants.0 -
I think the parties agree the total number of committee chairs each gets at the start of the Parliament - in this case post 2015.TheWhiteRabbit said:
You seem quite convinced that it will be maintained an opposition MP. But that must be a shift from when Vaz took over, during a Labour administration.NickPalmer said:
The rules have changed since I was there but thisMikeL said:Has Vaz just resigned as Chairman or has he also resigned from being on the Committee?
Been out all day and media reports don't seem to be explicit on this.
Or does one follow the other - ie if he was elected by MPs as Chairman then by resigning does he also leave the Committee?
https://www.parliament.uk/documents/commons-information-office/Brief-Guides/Select-Committees.pdf
appears to indicate that chairmen are elected separately and are not normal members, so resigning means you're no longer on the committee at all.
If there's a market on it, I'd make Chuka the favourite, even though Yvette is standing, because Chuka is currently a member already.
My impression is that there's a certain sympathy in the Commons for Vaz, since after a career with recurrent controversy he seemed to have found an effective niche: he was seen as one of the stronger committee chairs. In addition, if no law was broken, many MPs are generally aware of one or another embarrassing personal matter that they'd rather not see the light of day, so there's a "There but for the grace..." factor. It's clear that he couldn't chair the committee given its focus on the prostitution issue, but unless more comes to light I think MPs will now mostly be gentle with him.
Thus it will remain with Lab.0 -
On topic, a brilliant analysis Harry0
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Much obliged Harry.0
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One person got refused because they *tweeted in support of the Green Party*.Jonathan said:
Are these the Corbyn supporters who are members of other parties?bigjohnowls said:Jeremy Corbyn has revealed he is investigating allegations that Labour’s leadership contest is being rigged against him after a number of his supporters received letters barring them from taking part.
In an interview with the Guardian, the Labour leader said he hoped party officials were not working against him but could not rule out the possibility.
“I’m surprised at the numbers of people who’ve been denied a vote and I’m surprised at the lack of reason that’s been given to people,” he said, in his strongest intervention on the subject so far.
“I’m concerned about that because surely in a democratic process everyone should be entitled to vote unless there is some very good reason against them.”0 -
Can't take it seriously on the day UB40 came out for Corbyn. Who are Kajagoogoo going to back?TheWhiteRabbit said:
One person got refused because they *tweeted in support of the Green Party*.Jonathan said:
Are these the Corbyn supporters who are members of other parties?bigjohnowls said:Jeremy Corbyn has revealed he is investigating allegations that Labour’s leadership contest is being rigged against him after a number of his supporters received letters barring them from taking part.
In an interview with the Guardian, the Labour leader said he hoped party officials were not working against him but could not rule out the possibility.
“I’m surprised at the numbers of people who’ve been denied a vote and I’m surprised at the lack of reason that’s been given to people,” he said, in his strongest intervention on the subject so far.
“I’m concerned about that because surely in a democratic process everyone should be entitled to vote unless there is some very good reason against them.”0 -
i think getting excited over a 729 person sample is somewhat... early by trumpersAlistair said:FTPT
In 2012 the Roper Centre Had Independents voting for Romney 50/45 in his favour.williamglenn said:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/773206341296979972
Anyone still believe Hillary is well clear?
Roper also had their Democrat/Republican/Independent split at 38/32/29, in recent times there has always been more people who are registered as Democracts than Republicans and as a result 'Independents' skew Republican.
The CNN/ORC poll has their sample split as 28/32/40. The sample is not great or there has been a mass deregistration of Democrats that has otherwise gone unnoticed.
clinton isnt clear, just a strong favourite.0 -
The wonders of PB, someone asks a random question about Parliamentary select committee process that the press can't be arsed to report properly, and up pops a former MP to enlighten us!MikeL said:
Thanks Nick - much appreciated.NickPalmer said:
The rules have changed since I was there but thisMikeL said:Has Vaz just resigned as Chairman or has he also resigned from being on the Committee?
Been out all day and media reports don't seem to be explicit on this.
Or does one follow the other - ie if he was elected by MPs as Chairman then by resigning does he also leave the Committee?
https://www.parliament.uk/documents/commons-information-office/Brief-Guides/Select-Committees.pdf
appears to indicate that chairmen are elected separately and are not normal members, so resigning means you're no longer on the committee at all.
If there's a market on it, I'd make Chuka the favourite, even though Yvette is standing, because Chuka is currently a member already.
My impression is that there's a certain sympathy in the Commons for Vaz, since after a career with recurrent controversy he seemed to have found an effective niche: he was seen as one of the stronger committee chairs. In addition, if no law was broken, many MPs are generally aware of one or another embarrassing personal matter that they'd rather not see the light of day, so there's a "There but for the grace..." factor. It's clear that he couldn't chair the committee given its focus on the prostitution issue, but unless more comes to light I think MPs will now mostly be gentle with him.
I'm afraid that journalism standards have fallen so much that it's now par for the course that the simple most basic of facts isn't even mentioned in any report on the subject.0 -
No one. They're Too Shy.Jonathan said:
Can't take it seriously on the day UB40 came out for Corbyn. Who are Kajagoogoo going to back?TheWhiteRabbit said:
One person got refused because they *tweeted in support of the Green Party*.Jonathan said:
Are these the Corbyn supporters who are members of other parties?bigjohnowls said:Jeremy Corbyn has revealed he is investigating allegations that Labour’s leadership contest is being rigged against him after a number of his supporters received letters barring them from taking part.
In an interview with the Guardian, the Labour leader said he hoped party officials were not working against him but could not rule out the possibility.
“I’m surprised at the numbers of people who’ve been denied a vote and I’m surprised at the lack of reason that’s been given to people,” he said, in his strongest intervention on the subject so far.
“I’m concerned about that because surely in a democratic process everyone should be entitled to vote unless there is some very good reason against them.”0 -
They're too shy.Jonathan said:
Can't take it seriously on the day UB40 came out for Corbyn. Who are Kajagoogoo going to back?TheWhiteRabbit said:
One person got refused because they *tweeted in support of the Green Party*.Jonathan said:
Are these the Corbyn supporters who are members of other parties?bigjohnowls said:Jeremy Corbyn has revealed he is investigating allegations that Labour’s leadership contest is being rigged against him after a number of his supporters received letters barring them from taking part.
In an interview with the Guardian, the Labour leader said he hoped party officials were not working against him but could not rule out the possibility.
“I’m surprised at the numbers of people who’ve been denied a vote and I’m surprised at the lack of reason that’s been given to people,” he said, in his strongest intervention on the subject so far.
“I’m concerned about that because surely in a democratic process everyone should be entitled to vote unless there is some very good reason against them.”
Edit - Beaten by Alastair on the 80s pop music reference.
I'm clearly losing my mojo0 -
But shouldn't it be Dalriada South?AlastairMeeks said:Excellent article, Harry.
I like the name Dalriada for a constituency. Lots of history behind it, and for once in Ireland none of it to do with Catholics vs Protestants.0 -
I am down but only if it comes in pint sizes bottles.PlatoSaid said:Ned Simmons
Owen Smith: 'We're not champagne socialists but we do want champagne for everyone.' I'm sold. https://t.co/fS5oyxOvVp
On a serious note I am really excited about the prospect of champagne coming in pint sizes bottles once we leave the EU.0 -
Thanks.Charles said:
First preference was a United Ireland inside the unionCasino_Royale said:Charles said:
The counterfactual - the future that Carson envisaged - was better than bothnunu said:
"It would be rather interesting for historians of the future to compare a Catholic State launched in the South with a Protestant State launched in the North and to see which gets on the better and prospers the more. It is most interesting for me at the moment to watch how they are progressing. I am doing my best always to top the bill and to be ahead of the South." James Craig.Charles said:Can I just say, for the record, that James Craig was an arsehole who desrves to burn in hell for what he did to Irelandf
Which was?Charles said:
The counterfactual - the future that Carson envisaged - was better than bothnunu said:
"It would be rather interesting for historians of the future to compare a Catholic State launched in the South with a Protestant State launched in the North and to see which gets on the better and prospers the more. It is most interesting for me at the moment to watch how they are progressing. I am doing my best always to top the bill and to be ahead of the South." James Craig.Charles said:Can I just say, for the record, that James Craig was an arsehole who desrves to burn in hell for what he did to Irelandf
Second was integrated Ulster (which would have been much more balanced between Catholic and Protestant)
Third was a liberal, outward looking and progressive Northern Ireland
What he got was Craig's dystopian dream of a benighted realm he controlled (Carson was forced to retire to London)0 -
Chin up, you still have your analogies requiring mind bleech.TheScreamingEagles said:
They're too shy.Jonathan said:
Can't take it seriously on the day UB40 came out for Corbyn. Who are Kajagoogoo going to back?TheWhiteRabbit said:
One person got refused because they *tweeted in support of the Green Party*.Jonathan said:
Are these the Corbyn supporters who are members of other parties?bigjohnowls said:Jeremy Corbyn has revealed he is investigating allegations that Labour’s leadership contest is being rigged against him after a number of his supporters received letters barring them from taking part.
In an interview with the Guardian, the Labour leader said he hoped party officials were not working against him but could not rule out the possibility.
“I’m surprised at the numbers of people who’ve been denied a vote and I’m surprised at the lack of reason that’s been given to people,” he said, in his strongest intervention on the subject so far.
“I’m concerned about that because surely in a democratic process everyone should be entitled to vote unless there is some very good reason against them.”
Edit - Beaten by Alastair on the 80s pop music reference.
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£350 million a weeks worthMP_SE said:
I am down but only if it comes in pint sizes bottles.PlatoSaid said:Ned Simmons
Owen Smith: 'We're not champagne socialists but we do want champagne for everyone.' I'm sold. https://t.co/fS5oyxOvVp
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As you still have your magnificent larder/pantry post to hold on to.. hehkle4 said:
Chin up, you still have your analogies requiring mind bleech.TheScreamingEagles said:
They're too shy.Jonathan said:
Can't take it seriously on the day UB40 came out for Corbyn. Who are Kajagoogoo going to back?TheWhiteRabbit said:
One person got refused because they *tweeted in support of the Green Party*.Jonathan said:
Are these the Corbyn supporters who are members of other parties?bigjohnowls said:Jeremy Corbyn has revealed he is investigating allegations that Labour’s leadership contest is being rigged against him after a number of his supporters received letters barring them from taking part.
In an interview with the Guardian, the Labour leader said he hoped party officials were not working against him but could not rule out the possibility.
“I’m surprised at the numbers of people who’ve been denied a vote and I’m surprised at the lack of reason that’s been given to people,” he said, in his strongest intervention on the subject so far.
“I’m concerned about that because surely in a democratic process everyone should be entitled to vote unless there is some very good reason against them.”
Edit - Beaten by Alastair on the 80s pop music reference.
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If he gets The Smiths I'll start listening.Jonathan said:
Can't take it seriously on the day UB40 came out for Corbyn. Who are Kajagoogoo going to back?TheWhiteRabbit said:
One person got refused because they *tweeted in support of the Green Party*.Jonathan said:
Are these the Corbyn supporters who are members of other parties?bigjohnowls said:Jeremy Corbyn has revealed he is investigating allegations that Labour’s leadership contest is being rigged against him after a number of his supporters received letters barring them from taking part.
In an interview with the Guardian, the Labour leader said he hoped party officials were not working against him but could not rule out the possibility.
“I’m surprised at the numbers of people who’ve been denied a vote and I’m surprised at the lack of reason that’s been given to people,” he said, in his strongest intervention on the subject so far.
“I’m concerned about that because surely in a democratic process everyone should be entitled to vote unless there is some very good reason against them.”
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Is offering to pay for a class A drug not an issue with his fellow MPs. Personally I'm in favour of relaxing drug laws somewhat... but the last Labour goverment was ostensibly very anti-drugs even to the point of seconding scientific opinion to be so.NickPalmer said:
The rules have changed since I was there but thisMikeL said:Has Vaz just resigned as Chairman or has he also resigned from being on the Committee?
Been out all day and media reports don't seem to be explicit on this.
Or does one follow the other - ie if he was elected by MPs as Chairman then by resigning does he also leave the Committee?
https://www.parliament.uk/documents/commons-information-office/Brief-Guides/Select-Committees.pdf
appears to indicate that chairmen are elected separately and are not normal members, so resigning means you're no longer on the committee at all.
If there's a market on it, I'd make Chuka the favourite, even though Yvette is standing, because Chuka is currently a member already.
My impression is that there's a certain sympathy in the Commons for Vaz, since after a career with recurrent controversy he seemed to have found an effective niche: he was seen as one of the stronger committee chairs. In addition, if no law was broken, many MPs are generally aware of one or another embarrassing personal matter that they'd rather not see the light of day, so there's a "There but for the grace..." factor. It's clear that he couldn't chair the committee given its focus on the prostitution issue, but unless more comes to light I think MPs will now mostly be gentle with him.
Sorry but I can smell the hypocrisy from here.0 -
If everyone who had buggered up Ireland was burning in Hell, there would be nowhere near enough room for the rest of us!Charles said:Can I just say, for the record, that James Craig was an arsehole who desrves to burn in hell for what he did to Irelandf
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It's the small things that are important.RobD said:
As you still have your magnificent larder/pantry post to hold on to.. hehkle4 said:
Chin up, you still have your analogies requiring mind bleech.TheScreamingEagles said:
They're too shy.Jonathan said:
Can't take it seriously on the day UB40 came out for Corbyn. Who are Kajagoogoo going to back?TheWhiteRabbit said:
One person got refused because they *tweeted in support of the Green Party*.Jonathan said:
Are these the Corbyn supporters who are members of other parties?bigjohnowls said:Jeremy Corbyn has revealed he is investigating allegations that Labour’s leadership contest is being rigged against him after a number of his supporters received letters barring them from taking part.
In an interview with the Guardian, the Labour leader said he hoped party officials were not working against him but could not rule out the possibility.
“I’m surprised at the numbers of people who’ve been denied a vote and I’m surprised at the lack of reason that’s been given to people,” he said, in his strongest intervention on the subject so far.
“I’m concerned about that because surely in a democratic process everyone should be entitled to vote unless there is some very good reason against them.”
Edit - Beaten by Alastair on the 80s pop music reference.
I'm clearly losing my mojo0 -
I see NP-exMP is also pushing the no law broken angle. The Mirror scoop wasn't only about bonking prozzies.0
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Craig was special. I'm a most forgiving man. Except for him.foxinsoxuk said:
If everyone who had buggered up Ireland was burning in Hell, there would be nowhere near enough room for the rest of us!Charles said:Can I just say, for the record, that James Craig was an arsehole who desrves to burn in hell for what he did to Irelandf
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Not that it matters, but if there's one thing likely to turn me to the Trump camp it's a "back of the queue" attitude to post-Brexit Britain by the US.Alistair said:FTPT
In 2012 the Roper Centre Had Independents voting for Romney 50/45 in his favour.williamglenn said:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/773206341296979972
Anyone still believe Hillary is well clear?
Roper also had their Democrat/Republican/Independent split at 38/32/29, in recent times there has always been more people who are registered as Democracts than Republicans and as a result 'Independents' skew Republican.
The CNN/ORC poll has their sample split as 28/32/40. The sample is not great or there has been a mass deregistration of Democrats that has otherwise gone unnoticed.
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Interesting Vaz teaser at the bottom of the Times front page:
https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/773267745890824192
One suspects that this story may unfold further.0 -
Surely the eighties band to endorse Owen should be The Smiths?TheScreamingEagles said:
They're too shy.Jonathan said:
Can't take it seriously on the day UB40 came out for Corbyn. Who are Kajagoogoo going to back?TheWhiteRabbit said:
One person got refused because they *tweeted in support of the Green Party*.Jonathan said:
Are these the Corbyn supporters who are members of other parties?bigjohnowls said:Jeremy Corbyn has revealed he is investigating allegations that Labour’s leadership contest is being rigged against him after a number of his supporters received letters barring them from taking part.
In an interview with the Guardian, the Labour leader said he hoped party officials were not working against him but could not rule out the possibility.
“I’m surprised at the numbers of people who’ve been denied a vote and I’m surprised at the lack of reason that’s been given to people,” he said, in his strongest intervention on the subject so far.
“I’m concerned about that because surely in a democratic process everyone should be entitled to vote unless there is some very good reason against them.”
Edit - Beaten by Alastair on the 80s pop music reference.
I'm clearly losing my mojo
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They missed...also as personal decorator...As I said below, this story and media interest isn't only about bonking prozzies. Allegations which we can't discuss here range from minor law breaking to extremely serious allegations.AlastairMeeks said:Interesting Vaz teaser at the bottom of the Times front page:
https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/773267745890824192
One suspects that this story may unfold further.0 -
@ AlastairMeeks - I struggle to believe that was an accident.
Officials should be well-briefed by now on displaying documents in public.0 -
The Mirror should have kicked this off by knocking on his door and asking him to take the 'Vaz doorstep challenge' to see if his dirty laundry washed whiter than white.FrancisUrquhart said:I see NP-exMP is pushing the no law broken angle. The Mirror scoop wasn't only about bonking prozzies.
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That's what I keep saying...kle4 said:
It's the small things that are important.RobD said:
As you still have your magnificent larder/pantry post to hold on to.. hehkle4 said:
Chin up, you still have your analogies requiring mind bleech.TheScreamingEagles said:
They're too shy.Jonathan said:
Can't take it seriously on the day UB40 came out for Corbyn. Who are Kajagoogoo going to back?TheWhiteRabbit said:
One person got refused because they *tweeted in support of the Green Party*.Jonathan said:
Are these the Corbyn supporters who are members of other parties?bigjohnowls said:Jeremy Corbyn has revealed he is investigating allegations that Labour’s leadership contest is being rigged against him after a number of his supporters received letters barring them from taking part.
In an interview with the Guardian, the Labour leader said he hoped party officials were not working against him but could not rule out the possibility.
“I’m surprised at the numbers of people who’ve been denied a vote and I’m surprised at the lack of reason that’s been given to people,” he said, in his strongest intervention on the subject so far.
“I’m concerned about that because surely in a democratic process everyone should be entitled to vote unless there is some very good reason against them.”
Edit - Beaten by Alastair on the 80s pop music reference.
I'm clearly losing my mojo
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It should be a disciplinary offence.Casino_Royale said:@ AlastairMeeks - I struggle to believe that was an accident.
Officials should be well-briefed by now on displaying documents in public.0 -
Heaven knows he's miserable now? (Or soon will be).foxinsoxuk said:
Surely the eighties band to endorse Owen should be The Smiths?TheScreamingEagles said:
They're too shy.Jonathan said:
Can't take it seriously on the day UB40 came out for Corbyn. Who are Kajagoogoo going to back?TheWhiteRabbit said:
One person got refused because they *tweeted in support of the Green Party*.Jonathan said:
Are these the Corbyn supporters who are members of other parties?bigjohnowls said:Jeremy Corbyn has revealed he is investigating allegations that Labour’s leadership contest is being rigged against him after a number of his supporters received letters barring them from taking part.
In an interview with the Guardian, the Labour leader said he hoped party officials were not working against him but could not rule out the possibility.
“I’m surprised at the numbers of people who’ve been denied a vote and I’m surprised at the lack of reason that’s been given to people,” he said, in his strongest intervention on the subject so far.
“I’m concerned about that because surely in a democratic process everyone should be entitled to vote unless there is some very good reason against them.”
Edit - Beaten by Alastair on the 80s pop music reference.
I'm clearly losing my mojo0 -
These NI maps are from Nicholas Whyte's site aren't they?0
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I assumed that Jeremy Corbyn's actions today were a coded message to his opponents. He's going to fix that rat, that's what he's going to do.0
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Yesterday's news. Nonetheless, in any other context, the spectre of a leader of an organisation kite flying as he casts speculative innuendo against his own employees would be seen as bizarre. In this case, such behaviour is just what we've come to expect.bigjohnowls said:Jeremy Corbyn has revealed he is investigating allegations that Labour’s leadership contest is being rigged against him after a number of his supporters received letters barring them from taking part.
In an interview with the Guardian, the Labour leader said he hoped party officials were not working against him but could not rule out the possibility.
“I’m surprised at the numbers of people who’ve been denied a vote and I’m surprised at the lack of reason that’s been given to people,” he said, in his strongest intervention on the subject so far.
“I’m concerned about that because surely in a democratic process everyone should be entitled to vote unless there is some very good reason against them.”0 -
Quite so. I don't even work in a particularly "sensitive" industry.AlastairMeeks said:
It should be a disciplinary offence.Casino_Royale said:@ AlastairMeeks - I struggle to believe that was an accident.
Officials should be well-briefed by now on displaying documents in public.
But, as a matter of course to my firm and my client, I have all my papers fully sealed up in a wallet (at the very least) whenever I walk around the floor, yet alone the building.
And I do it naturally. So God knows why civil servants don't.0 -
Soon in need of his UB40 if he loses then?AlastairMeeks said:I assumed that Jeremy Corbyn's actions today were a coded message to his opponents. He's going to fix that rat, that's what he's going to do.
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A good way to accidentally leak proposals, assuming it was sanctioned from higher up.Casino_Royale said:
Quite so. I don't even work in a particularly "sensitive" industry.AlastairMeeks said:
It should be a disciplinary offence.Casino_Royale said:@ AlastairMeeks - I struggle to believe that was an accident.
Officials should be well-briefed by now on displaying documents in public.
But, as a matter of course to my firm and my client, I have all my papers fully sealed up in a wallet (at the very least) whenever I walk around the floor, yet alone the building.
And I do it naturally. So God knows why civil servants don't.0 -
Which seat is Dalriada?0
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It's one of the reasons why I have a man bag.Casino_Royale said:
Quite so. I don't even work in a particularly "sensitive" industry.AlastairMeeks said:
It should be a disciplinary offence.Casino_Royale said:@ AlastairMeeks - I struggle to believe that was an accident.
Officials should be well-briefed by now on displaying documents in public.
But, as a matter of course to my firm and my client, I have all my papers fully sealed up in a wallet (at the very least) whenever I walk around the floor, yet alone the building.
And I do it naturally. So God knows why civil servants don't.0 -
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Red Ed WhineAlastairMeeks said:I assumed that Jeremy Corbyn's actions today were a coded message to his opponents. He's going to fix that rat, that's what he's going to do.
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Surely not...RobD said:
A good way to accidentally leak proposals, assuming it was sanctioned from higher up.Casino_Royale said:
Quite so. I don't even work in a particularly "sensitive" industry.AlastairMeeks said:
It should be a disciplinary offence.Casino_Royale said:@ AlastairMeeks - I struggle to believe that was an accident.
Officials should be well-briefed by now on displaying documents in public.
But, as a matter of course to my firm and my client, I have all my papers fully sealed up in a wallet (at the very least) whenever I walk around the floor, yet alone the building.
And I do it naturally. So God knows why civil servants don't.0 -
Antrim and Argyll?Sunil_Prasannan said:Which seat is Dalriada?
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You still use dead trees??TheScreamingEagles said:
It's one of the reasons why I have a man bag.Casino_Royale said:
Quite so. I don't even work in a particularly "sensitive" industry.AlastairMeeks said:
It should be a disciplinary offence.Casino_Royale said:@ AlastairMeeks - I struggle to believe that was an accident.
Officials should be well-briefed by now on displaying documents in public.
But, as a matter of course to my firm and my client, I have all my papers fully sealed up in a wallet (at the very least) whenever I walk around the floor, yet alone the building.
And I do it naturally. So God knows why civil servants don't. 0 -
A reshaped North Antrim with eastern parts of county Londonderry.Sunil_Prasannan said:Which seat is Dalriada?
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Maybe also laying the groundwork for the sort of excuses that will be used in the eventuality that his expected victory is by somewhat less than the margin that his supporters expect?AlastairMeeks said:I assumed that Jeremy Corbyn's actions today were a coded message to his opponents. He's going to fix that rat, that's what he's going to do.
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I'm normally in the cock-up rather than conspiracy camp, but this has happened too many times before and the wording on display was very convenient.RobD said:
A good way to accidentally leak proposals, assuming it was sanctioned from higher up.Casino_Royale said:
Quite so. I don't even work in a particularly "sensitive" industry.AlastairMeeks said:
It should be a disciplinary offence.Casino_Royale said:@ AlastairMeeks - I struggle to believe that was an accident.
Officials should be well-briefed by now on displaying documents in public.
But, as a matter of course to my firm and my client, I have all my papers fully sealed up in a wallet (at the very least) whenever I walk around the floor, yet alone the building.
And I do it naturally. So God knows why civil servants don't.0 -
Yes, that's right. The link I posted earlier explains. Essentially the parties to hold the Select Committee chairs are agreed (stitched up, if you like) between the whips, but the actual people to take the slots are elected by MPs at large. Because of the strong consensus tradition of SCs, the chairmanship matters less than you might think, though it gives greatly raised profile when there's a big issue at hand.MikeL said:
I think the parties agree the total number of committee chairs each gets at the start of the Parliament - in this case post 2015.TheWhiteRabbit said:
You seem quite convinced that it will be maintained an opposition MP. But that must be a shift from when Vaz took over, during a Labour administration.
Thus it will remain with Lab.0 -
To be clear, Black Lace, creators of the Agadoo, are now trolling the Labour leadership election.
How low can Labour go?
On current trends, I am quite prepared to accept that there will be a moment for Labour where the Corbyn years are seen as a golden era, even if I can't quite imagine what that might actually look like.
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It's a spoof. Looking at both twitter accounts, nothing like that exchange took placeJonathan said:To be clear, Black Lace, creators of the Agadoo, are now trolling the Labour leadership election.
How low can Labour go?
On current trends, I am quite prepared to accept that there will be a moment for Labour where the Corbyn years are seen as a golden era, even if I can't quite imagine what that might actually look like.0 -
But Dalriada was a kingdom that included parts of western Scotland, seems a strange name to choose.AlastairMeeks said:
A reshaped North Antrim with eastern parts of county Londonderry.Sunil_Prasannan said:Which seat is Dalriada?
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