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  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    I see ICM is still overstating Labour....
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,347
    Tory sleeper agents clearly.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    justin124 said:

    Labour are going to get pounded like a dockside hooker

    @MSmithsonPB:

    The England alone figures from latest ICM poll.
    CON 47%
    LAB 26%
    A 21% lead

    In Wales the Tories are shown as well ahead of Labour. How likely is that?
    Very likely, Wales is trending towards the Tories, would take less than a 5% swing for the Tories to win the popular vote.

    I think you're misunderestimating how toxic Corbyn is.

    I accurately forecast Wales would back Leave, there's something interesting going on in Wales.
    The most recent ITN/Yougov Wales poll still had Labour 11 % ahead of the Conservatives . You are surely experienced enough to not put too much trust in sub samples from a national poll .
    Pretty sure the Tories are actually ahead of Labour in Scotland, so it stands to reason that at least one of the other sub-samples is overstating them.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited July 2016
    The ethnic quota of PB editors is seriously out of whack, we need a ginger one for balance...
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,895
    RobD said:

    ICM platinum double-diamond standard status confirmed :D

    Are we believing opinion polls again?
  • justin124 said:

    Labour are going to get pounded like a dockside hooker

    @MSmithsonPB:

    The England alone figures from latest ICM poll.
    CON 47%
    LAB 26%
    A 21% lead

    In Wales the Tories are shown as well ahead of Labour. How likely is that?
    Small sample of course.
    But trending to Conservative in recent decade+ and the move by Welsh Labour to try and ignore the pro LEAVE vote in Wales, sets Labour up against many of its voters. Dumb move by Carwyn.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,872
    edited July 2016
    This is what the Head of Global Estates at the British Council had to say about Prince George:

    http://metro.co.uk/2016/07/26/british-council-worker-described-prince-george-as-a-fking-dkhead-6029047/

    She says she is sound in her socialist, atheist and republican opinions.
  • MontyHallMontyHall Posts: 226
    Cookie said:



    kle4 said:



    Personally I prefer 'so called Islamic State'. It makes clear its proper islamic and state credentials are not accepted by, say, us, but does not deny what they call themselves and that millions think they are both islamic and a state, which hopefully upsets the majority of muslims who don't support them.

    I think 'so called Islamic so called State' would work even better!
    What about if newsreders had to use finger-quotes? "Islamic" "State".
    A la Dr Evil and the "ozone layer"

    https://youtu.be/Foe7WJ4qUsM
  • French style terrorist watch.

    Mark Urban Verified account
    @MarkUrban01 Mark Urban Retweeted Anna Ahronheim
    French reports suggest not only that church attackers were known suspects but 1 tagged & allowed out in mornings
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,656
    IanB2 said:

    ...and this:

    Momentum Rugby ‏@MomentumRugby 26m26 minutes ago
    Yes, a REAL socialist Govt under Corbyn can win #GE20. Look at the Wilson Govt in the 70s - a landslide win. #JezWeCan

    I thought Wilson was a traitor who betrayed the working class by selling out. That's certainly how I remember the left debates in the early 1980s when I was a student.

    Indeed, as the protomomentumists sang,

    The workers' flag is palest pink
    Since Gaitskell dipped it in the sink
    Now Harold's done the same as Hugh
    The workers' flag is brightest blue.


    (Plus, as TSE says, I'd like to see the New Official Definition of the word "landslide". I think it might go a long way to explaining why Corbyn is "definitely going to win a landslide".)
    The version I have is:

    The people's flag is slightly pink
    It is not as red as most folks think
    We must not let the people know
    What socialists thought long ago

    With a chorus of:

    Don't let the scarlet banner float
    We want the middle class's vote
    Let our old-fashioned comrades sneer
    We'll stay in power for many a year

    Written during the Blair years, of course
    The version for Corbyn I did during the leadership election was

    The Corbyn flag is deepest red
    It flies for heart and not for head
    To fight oppression everywhere
    (unless it's Jews, then we don't care)
    Another day, another cause
    But it's a futile task because
    In five years' time the world will see
    Another Tory victory
  • SandraMSandraM Posts: 206
    Re: "white" Royal family - Prince Richard of Gloucester's daughter Davina is married to a Maori.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,179

    God, this is painful to watch.

    Just as the last group of Labour modernisers crossed the Atlantic to learn about triangulation from the Clintons, the next group will need to get advice from the same source on how to rig the party against the populist left.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,518

    This is what the Head of Global Estates at the British Council had to say about Prince George:

    http://metro.co.uk/2016/07/26/british-council-worker-described-prince-george-as-a-fking-dkhead-6029047/

    She says she is sound in her socialist, atheist and republican opinions.

    Another Britain hating leftist. Who would have thought it. I'm sure she had also campaigned for unlimited migration as well.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,347
    Always thought that The Royle Family far too white & unreflective of the area they were supposed to live.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,751
    edited July 2016
    SandraM said:

    Re: "white" Royal family - Prince Richard of Gloucester's daughter Davina is married to a Maori.

    Phew.

    It's okay guys, you can cancel the tumbrels and stand down the sans-culottes.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,767

    French style terrorist watch.

    Mark Urban Verified account
    @MarkUrban01 Mark Urban Retweeted Anna Ahronheim
    French reports suggest not only that church attackers were known suspects but 1 tagged & allowed out in mornings

    Well, they need their morning coffee and croissants. That's basically any Frenchmans human right...
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    MaxPB said:

    This is what the Head of Global Estates at the British Council had to say about Prince George:

    http://metro.co.uk/2016/07/26/british-council-worker-described-prince-george-as-a-fking-dkhead-6029047/

    She says she is sound in her socialist, atheist and republican opinions.

    Another Britain hating leftist. Who would have thought it. I'm sure she had also campaigned for unlimited migration as well.
    I am sure her personnel Dept will be wondering how her hateful woman can represent all that is good about the UK. She wants to destroy it.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,531
    SandraM said:

    Re: "white" Royal family - Prince Richard of Gloucester's daughter Davina is married to a Maori.

    Who??? :)
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,769

    The ethnic quota of PB editors is seriously out of whack, we need a ginger one for balance...

    I heard Our Genial Host was hair today, gone tommorow.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,531

    RobD said:

    John_M said:

    This has to be the most stupidest question asked since someone asked if NASA would send astronauts to walk on the Sun.

    https://twitter.com/BBCTalkback/status/757884515893248000

    They are ethnically diverse. They're a Graeco-German family made good. Why are the BBC so racist?
    Not just the BBC:

    BBC Talkback‏ @BBCTalkback
    "Privileged, white and funded" that's what a director of the British Council thinks of the royal family! Do you agree? Call us 03030 80 5555
    Privileged? They are the royal family for Pete's sake!
    I remember doing a quiz a few years ago, apparently I'm privileged as well, when everyone knows I'm a working class Northerner who is the grandson of immigrants from Pakistan
    No, you're a Public School Twit :lol:
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,121

    This is what the Head of Global Estates at the British Council had to say about Prince George:

    http://metro.co.uk/2016/07/26/british-council-worker-described-prince-george-as-a-fking-dkhead-6029047/

    She says she is sound in her socialist, atheist and republican opinions.

    I bet she was crying into her museli on 24th June... ;)
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    We see all this panic about Zika but we don't see any talk of the real pandemic of contracting Burnham's jelly-spine.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    We see all this panic about Zika but we don't see any talk of the real pandemic of contracting Burnham's jelly-spine.

    @politicshome: Owen Smith also says Jeremy Corbyn "absolutely" could serve in his Shadow Cabinet.
    https://t.co/A9H8wx7qRB https://t.co/GC3DSUgaLN
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,157
    GIN1138 said:

    This is what the Head of Global Estates at the British Council had to say about Prince George:

    http://metro.co.uk/2016/07/26/british-council-worker-described-prince-george-as-a-fking-dkhead-6029047/

    She says she is sound in her socialist, atheist and republican opinions.

    I bet she was crying into her museli on 24th June... ;)
    Muesli?!? Fair Trade organic Granola surely?
  • justin124 said:

    Labour are going to get pounded like a dockside hooker

    @MSmithsonPB:

    The England alone figures from latest ICM poll.
    CON 47%
    LAB 26%
    A 21% lead

    In Wales the Tories are shown as well ahead of Labour. How likely is that?
    Very likely, Wales is trending towards the Tories, would take less than a 5% swing for the Tories to win the popular vote.

    I think you're misunderestimating how toxic Corbyn is.

    I accurately forecast Wales would back Leave, there's something interesting going on in Wales.
    People getting fed up of funding a crap Labour run assembly that only 25% voted to exist in the first place.

    Be interesting if the Welsh Tories stood on a platform of abolishing it.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,347
    Hervé Morin, the president of the region, said: "We have been living in torment for a long time. It is in Saint-Étienne-du-Rouvray today - where will it be tomorrow?

    "The State must act firmly shutting away all those who are considered dangerous."
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,842

    This is what the Head of Global Estates at the British Council had to say about Prince George:

    http://metro.co.uk/2016/07/26/british-council-worker-described-prince-george-as-a-fking-dkhead-6029047/

    She says she is sound in her socialist, atheist and republican opinions.

    Now I would sign a petition to get her removed from that job. She is clearly unfit to represent our nation.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,842
    Scott_P said:

    We see all this panic about Zika but we don't see any talk of the real pandemic of contracting Burnham's jelly-spine.

    @politicshome: Owen Smith also says Jeremy Corbyn "absolutely" could serve in his Shadow Cabinet.
    https://t.co/A9H8wx7qRB https://t.co/GC3DSUgaLN
    I wouldn't employ him to serve tea let alone anything responsible.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,531
    edited July 2016
    Monarchy is a socialist institution!

    Now, I know you're screaming at your computer screens "WTF are you talking about, Sunil?", but let me explain:

    1. A job for life: Monarchs are in the job for life, excepting abdications, of which there hasn't been one in the UK for 80 years. "Jobs for life", as we know, is a key socialist aim and rallying cry!

    2. The hereditary principle: a key feature of socialist political dynasties around the world, e.g. the Kims in North Korea, the Nehru-Gandhis in India, the Kennedys in the US, and the Kinnocks in the UK!

    3. Pomp and circumstance: Speaking of North Korea, Trooping the Colour and other Royal pageants are positively North Korean in their organisation and spectacle! In fact, no other country does pageants better than hereditary, socialist North Korea!

    So, my fellow PBers, I put it to you that Monarchy is a socialist institution through and through!

    Ends.
  • SandraMSandraM Posts: 206

    SandraM said:

    Re: "white" Royal family - Prince Richard of Gloucester's daughter Davina is married to a Maori.

    Who??? :)
    Do you mean who is the Maori or who is Prince Richard of Gloucester?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,531
    ToryJim said:

    GIN1138 said:

    This is what the Head of Global Estates at the British Council had to say about Prince George:

    http://metro.co.uk/2016/07/26/british-council-worker-described-prince-george-as-a-fking-dkhead-6029047/

    She says she is sound in her socialist, atheist and republican opinions.

    I bet she was crying into her museli on 24th June... ;)
    Muesli?!? Fair Trade organic Granola surely?
    Quinoa :lol:
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,751
    Perpetual Tory rule is seen as a good thing in Scotland, right?

    https://twitter.com/rosscolquhoun/status/757926498594590721
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,531
    SandraM said:

    SandraM said:

    Re: "white" Royal family - Prince Richard of Gloucester's daughter Davina is married to a Maori.

    Who??? :)
    Do you mean who is the Maori or who is Prince Richard of Gloucester?
    Prince Richard of course :)
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753

    Hervé Morin, the president of the region, said: "We have been living in torment for a long time. It is in Saint-Étienne-du-Rouvray today - where will it be tomorrow?

    "The State must act firmly shutting away all those who are considered dangerous."

    I wonder when the first western country will adopt 'a smaller muslim community' as a policy goal.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,531

    Perpetual Tory rule is seen as a good thing in Scotland, right?

    https://twitter.com/rosscolquhoun/status/757926498594590721

    The independent fiefdom of the Borders :)
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,179
    taffys said:

    Hervé Morin, the president of the region, said: "We have been living in torment for a long time. It is in Saint-Étienne-du-Rouvray today - where will it be tomorrow?

    "The State must act firmly shutting away all those who are considered dangerous."

    I wonder when the first western country will adopt 'a smaller muslim community' as a policy goal.
    That's Trump's implicit policy goal already.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,347
    Ernie the tagged terrorist was only allowed out between 8.30 & 12.30. Apparently persecutors wanted him in jail, but judge ruled tag was ok.
  • SandraMSandraM Posts: 206

    SandraM said:

    SandraM said:

    Re: "white" Royal family - Prince Richard of Gloucester's daughter Davina is married to a Maori.

    Who??? :)
    Do you mean who is the Maori or who is Prince Richard of Gloucester?
    Prince Richard of course :)
    He is the Queen's cousin.

  • Carolus_RexCarolus_Rex Posts: 1,414

    This is what the Head of Global Estates at the British Council had to say about Prince George:

    http://metro.co.uk/2016/07/26/british-council-worker-described-prince-george-as-a-fking-dkhead-6029047/

    She says she is sound in her socialist, atheist and republican opinions.

    Now I would sign a petition to get her removed from that job. She is clearly unfit to represent our nation.
    Well, it is the British Council we are talking about. Mind you as I was once thumped by the then Chair of the British Council I am a bit biased.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,531
    SandraM said:

    SandraM said:

    SandraM said:

    Re: "white" Royal family - Prince Richard of Gloucester's daughter Davina is married to a Maori.

    Who??? :)
    Do you mean who is the Maori or who is Prince Richard of Gloucester?
    Prince Richard of course :)
    He is the Queen's cousin.

    Does you mean the Duke of Gloucester?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,347
    Stephen Kinnock used to be a big Whig in the British council did he not?
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    edited July 2016
    'That's Trump's implicit policy goal already.'

    Really? Is he stopping US muslims from practising or having children?
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976

    SandraM said:

    SandraM said:

    SandraM said:

    Re: "white" Royal family - Prince Richard of Gloucester's daughter Davina is married to a Maori.

    Who??? :)
    Do you mean who is the Maori or who is Prince Richard of Gloucester?
    Prince Richard of course :)
    He is the Queen's cousin.

    Does you mean the Duke of Gloucester?
    Prince Richard, Duke of Gloucester, tis the same person...
  • runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536

    Stephen Kinnock used to be a big Whig in the British council did he not?

    Sounds appropriate - nicely paid for doing nothing much, just like Mum and Dad.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,895
    @britainelects
    Our Westminster polling avgs. so far this year: Tories widen their lead; Labour drift downwards; UKIP falls further:
    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/757929343783936000
  • runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536

    Perpetual Tory rule is seen as a good thing in Scotland, right?

    https://twitter.com/rosscolquhoun/status/757926498594590721

    The independent fiefdom of the Borders :)
    Very poor colouring in around the Borders there. Lack of art lessons in Scotland?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    Perpetual Tory rule is seen as a good thing in Scotland, right?

    Well, they did vote for it.

    Twice.

    First to stay in the Union.

    Second to eviscerate the only national party that could stop it....
  • JonCisBackJonCisBack Posts: 911
    just for lolz but Baxtered gives Con maj 104

    (had to subtract 0.1% off each vote share since Baxter think SNP will get 5.5% come what may...)
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,751
    edited July 2016

    Perpetual Tory rule is seen as a good thing in Scotland, right?

    Well, they did vote for it.

    Twice.

    First to stay in the Union.

    Second to eviscerate the only national party that could stop it....
    Only diamonds are forever.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,751
    Madge on the lookout for dusky family members.

    https://twitter.com/naebD/status/757913688867233792
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,780

    RobD said:

    ICM platinum double-diamond standard status confirmed :D

    Are we believing opinion polls again?
    We're still concerned that they may be understating the true scale of the Conservative lead.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,286
    justin124 said:

    If there is an early general election, I've already written on it, here's an excerpt.

    Perhaps the magnitude of the moment we face is too great for us collectively to bear. Shortly there will be an election, in which the Tories will increase its majority, and in so doing utterly shatter the glass paradigm of cyclical politics which has contained us for the century since 1906. This ought to herald another decade of strong, confident, consensual Tory government. Which will finally and irrevocably transform the nature of politics and civic life in Britain.

    Why would Labour support the Tories in repealing the FTPA if it looked like the Tories would win a GE handsomely?
    Why would Labour need to support the Tories in order for them to repeal the FTPA?
    Both of the following would require Labour support:
    Section 2 of the Act also provides for two ways in which a general election can be held before the end of this five-year period:



    If the House of Commons, with the support of two-thirds of its total membership (including vacant seats), resolves "That there shall be an early parliamentary general election".
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed-term_Parliaments_Act_2011
    The first wouldn't. With a working majority the Conservatives just have to support the vote of no confidence. Then over the next two weeks vote down all attempts to form a new government.

    The only substantive effect of the FTPA is to give the opposition parties an additional two weeks in which to gear up for a snap general election.
    There is a view that if the Government lost a such a Confidence Vote it would have to resign and that the Leader of the Opposition would be asked to form a Government. He would the have 14 days to win a Confidence Vote himself . Obviously he would fail to do so - but might remain as incumbent caretaker PM during the subsequent general election. Closest precedent is Balfour resigning in December 1905 and Campbell - Bannerman being invited to take office despite the Tories still having a majority of more than 100. He immediately called an election for January 1906 and won by a landslide.
    Balfour chose to resign, May would not in these circumstances. Would the Crown dismiss her? Of course not and we have an almost exact precedent in that Callaghan lost a no confidence vote in 1979, but continued in office until the May election.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    tlg86 said:

    John_M said:

    This has to be the most stupidest question asked since someone asked if NASA would send astronauts to walk on the Sun.

    https://twitter.com/BBCTalkback/status/757884515893248000

    They are ethnically diverse. They're a Graeco-German family made good. Why are the BBC so racist?
    They got ***** ****** to provide some red headed diversity too.
    The BBC are obsessed by race being a function of skin colour, about a third of the world is currently "white" (although dropping to about 10% in the next 50 years). It includes people from UK, South Africa, Russia, Brazil, USA in large numbers plus significant populations in other countries. They don't seem to have figured out that quite a lot of different ethnicities happen to also have white skin.
  • MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    IanB2 said:

    ...and this:

    Momentum Rugby ‏@MomentumRugby 26m26 minutes ago
    Yes, a REAL socialist Govt under Corbyn can win #GE20. Look at the Wilson Govt in the 70s - a landslide win. #JezWeCan

    I thought Wilson was a traitor who betrayed the working class by selling out. That's certainly how I remember the left debates in the early 1980s when I was a student.

    Indeed, as the protomomentumists sang,

    The workers' flag is palest pink
    Since Gaitskell dipped it in the sink
    Now Harold's done the same as Hugh
    The workers' flag is brightest blue.


    (Plus, as TSE says, I'd like to see the New Official Definition of the word "landslide". I think it might go a long way to explaining why Corbyn is "definitely going to win a landslide".)
    The version I have is:

    The people's flag is slightly pink
    It is not as red as most folks think
    We must not let the people know
    What socialists thought long ago

    With a chorus of:

    Don't let the scarlet banner float
    We want the middle class's vote
    Let our old-fashioned comrades sneer
    We'll stay in power for many a year

    Written during the Blair years, of course
    A similar version (again, not my own):

    The people's flag is palest pink
    It's not the colour you might think
    White collar workers stand and cheer
    The Labour government is here

    We'll change the country bit by bit
    So nobody will notice it
    And just to show that we're sincere
    We'll sing The Red Flag once a year

    The cloth cap and the woolen scarf
    Are images outdated
    For we're the party's avant garde
    And we are educated

    So raise the rolled umbrella high
    The college scarf, the old school tie
    And just to show that we're sincere
    We'll sing The Red Flag once a year
  • DromedaryDromedary Posts: 1,194

    Dromedary said:

    Is there any discussion in the media whatsoever of the copycat effect?

    The copycat effect is why newspapers don't publish details of methods people use to commit suicide. They know of the "Werther effect", named after the book by Goethe. Robert Cialdini in his famous book Influence notes how the incidence of plane crashes rises after the widespread reporting of a suicide.

    Anders Brievik called himself a fellow traveller with Christianity. Much of the media hates Christianity, hence he became a Christian. Very little about him being a Freemason oddly enough.
    Breivik was involved in gang activity on the other side from Muslim gangs when younger. He also seems to have had a very psychologically damaged mother. His sexual identity problems come out in how he expresses admiration for male "warriors" who have their sexual organs removed in order to underline or permanentise their heroic commitment to the Cause. You are right that his Christianity isn't profound. He sees himself as some kind of superman of the will and the intellect, in a way reminiscent of Moors murderer Ian Brady. The ideological side of Breivik's motivation is Norwegian racial nationalism (often not very far under the surface in Norway) warmly wrapped up in a broader European white Christian cultural identity. Picture a speechbubble saying "I'll show my compatriots what's really what", as he gets down to cut-and-pasting from "Fjordman", Melanie Phillips, Bat Ye'or and Jeremy Clarkson, explaining how fighting Eurabia and Eurostan is the way forward. Thus he spews on about the Battle of Vienna in 1683 ("Europe" standing up to "Islam"), which is why he entitled his manifesto "2083: A European Declaration of Independence", with a big cross on the front of it. Prior to committing the killings, he prayed or worshipped in a church, taking the view that "there is no atheism in the trenches". There have been well-known personages in Britain who have taken a similar view of the utility of Christianity, but this margin is too small for us to discuss them :)

    Breivik's freemasonic membership? Maybe he got into it from a "Christian warrior knights" angle. Maybe he needed something a bit different in flavour from his main fantasies, in order to strengthen his commitment to them. (Here is a guy who certainly knows how to train his mind.) Or maybe his controllers sent him into it for reasons of misdirection. Breivik didn't go postal. He prepared for years - that's not going postal. I believe he was in contact with others. The small "IT" business he ran with its international presence was most peculiar. Again - not sufficient space to discuss that here. In any case, his freemasonic membership gave the bastard a good excuse for playing dress-up, and he circulated pictures of himself in masonic garb as well as kitted out as a "Marxist hunter".
  • MattWMattW Posts: 22,573
    edited July 2016

    This is what the Head of Global Estates at the British Council had to say about Prince George:

    http://metro.co.uk/2016/07/26/british-council-worker-described-prince-george-as-a-fking-dkhead-6029047/

    She says she is sound in her socialist, atheist and republican opinions.

    Now I would sign a petition to get her removed from that job. She is clearly unfit to represent our nation.
    Well, clearly she's a bit of a d*ckhead herself, given who she modelled her looks on:

    image

    :-o
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,531
    edited July 2016

    SandraM said:

    SandraM said:

    SandraM said:

    Re: "white" Royal family - Prince Richard of Gloucester's daughter Davina is married to a Maori.

    Who??? :)
    Do you mean who is the Maori or who is Prince Richard of Gloucester?
    Prince Richard of course :)
    He is the Queen's cousin.

    Does you mean the Duke of Gloucester?
    Prince Richard, Duke of Gloucester, tis the same person...
    I keep getting him and Duke of Kent mixed up, but I saw the latter in the Royal Box at Wimbledon on the second Monday (4th July).

    https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/13653456_10208633982719015_2648237680540366436_o.jpg

    (above pic taken by yours truly!)
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,531
    Dromedary said:

    In any case, his freemasonic membership gave the bastard a good excuse for playing dress-up, and he circulated pictures of himself in masonic garb as well as kitted out as a "Marxist hunter".

    The Nazis hated Freemasons - must be the "Jewish" aspect to the Temple of Solomon.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,692
    Indigo said:

    tlg86 said:

    John_M said:

    This has to be the most stupidest question asked since someone asked if NASA would send astronauts to walk on the Sun.

    https://twitter.com/BBCTalkback/status/757884515893248000

    They are ethnically diverse. They're a Graeco-German family made good. Why are the BBC so racist?
    They got ***** ****** to provide some red headed diversity too.
    about a third of the world is currently "white" (although dropping to about 10% in the next 50 years).
    Do you have a source for those numbers?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,872

    This is what the Head of Global Estates at the British Council had to say about Prince George:

    http://metro.co.uk/2016/07/26/british-council-worker-described-prince-george-as-a-fking-dkhead-6029047/

    She says she is sound in her socialist, atheist and republican opinions.

    Now I would sign a petition to get her removed from that job. She is clearly unfit to represent our nation.
    Me too.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,751
    The intellectual powerhouse that is Loyalism.

    "'Why can't Dublin become an EU border check for Northern Ireland?' - MP Jeffrey Donaldson"

    http://tinyurl.com/j6r3pjg
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,347
    Very few details are being released about this germany shooting. They have said not terrorist related but nothing more.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    JohnO said:

    justin124 said:

    If there is an early general election, I've already written on it, here's an excerpt.

    P

    Why would Labour support the Tories in repealing the FTPA if it looked like the Tories would win a GE handsomely?
    Why would Labour need to support the Tories in order for them to repeal the FTPA?
    Both of the following would require Labour support:
    Section 2 of the Act also provides for two ways in which a general election can be held before the end of this five-year period:



    If the House of Commons, with the support of two-thirds of its total membership (including vacant seats), resolves "That there shall be an early parliamentary general election".
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed-term_Parliaments_Act_2011
    The first wouldn't. With a working majority the Conservatives just have to support the vote of no confidence. Then over the next two weeks vote down all attempts to form a new government.

    The only substantive effect of the FTPA is to give the opposition parties an additional two weeks in which to gear up for a snap general election.
    There is a view that if the Government lost a such a Confidence Vote it would have to resign and that the Leader of the Opposition would be asked to form a Government. He would the have 14 days to win a Confidence Vote himself . Obviously he would fail to do so - but might remain as incumbent caretaker PM during the subsequent general election. Closest precedent is Balfour resigning in December 1905 and Campbell - Bannerman being invited to take office despite the Tories still having a majority of more than 100. He immediately called an election for January 1906 and won by a landslide.
    Balfour chose to resign, May would not in these circumstances. Would the Crown dismiss her? Of course not and we have an almost exact precedent in that Callaghan lost a no confidence vote in 1979, but continued in office until the May election.
    I was simply making the point that this is an opinion that has been expressed.To an extent it would be uncharted territory, but it could be argued that by losing the Confidence Vote May would have been dismissed by the Commons and that the Opposition Leader should be given the chance to try - though he would fail - to put together a majority within the 14 day period before dissolution could happen. Callaghan,of course, immediately announced an election whereas May would not be able to do so. It would all be a little unclear - if rivetting for political anoraks on here - but I suspect it is another reason why May will not go down that road!
  • DaveDaveDaveDave Posts: 76

    Always thought that The Royle Family far too white & unreflective of the area they were supposed to live.

    All immigrants, since William the Conquerer! And lived off taxpayers for centuries.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,347
    edited July 2016
    DaveDave said:

    Always thought that The Royle Family far too white & unreflective of the area they were supposed to live.

    All immigrants, since William the Conquerer! And lived off taxpayers for centuries.
    Talking about the ones from Manchester not the ones from Windsor.
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548

    This is what the Head of Global Estates at the British Council had to say about Prince George:

    http://metro.co.uk/2016/07/26/british-council-worker-described-prince-george-as-a-fking-dkhead-6029047/

    She says she is sound in her socialist, atheist and republican opinions.

    Now I would sign a petition to get her removed from that job. She is clearly unfit to represent our nation.
    Me too.
    British Council statement on The Sun newspaper article
    Tuesday 26 July 2016
    UPDATED at 10:30AM BST 26 July, 2016

    The British Council expects the highest standards of our staff and in accordance with our code of conduct we have started disciplinary procedures with the individual concerned.

    This comment was made on a private social media account. It has absolutely no connection to the British Council and does not represent our views and values.

    https://www.britishcouncil.org/organisation/press/british-council-statement-sun-newspaper-article
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,872
    MattW said:

    This is what the Head of Global Estates at the British Council had to say about Prince George:

    http://metro.co.uk/2016/07/26/british-council-worker-described-prince-george-as-a-fking-dkhead-6029047/

    She says she is sound in her socialist, atheist and republican opinions.

    Now I would sign a petition to get her removed from that job. She is clearly unfit to represent our nation.
    Well, clearly she's a bit of a d*ckhead herself, given who she modelled her looks on:

    image

    :-o
    She is white, on £80k a year for a taxpayer funded organisation, lives in a nice pad in town with a progressive musician partner and there are photos of her enjoying large glasses champagne online.

    I'd say she was the epitome of 'white privilege' and it's her comments that show her up to be the f**king d**khead, not Prince George.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,531

    DaveDave said:

    Always thought that The Royle Family far too white & unreflective of the area they were supposed to live.

    All immigrants, since William the Conquerer! And lived off taxpayers for centuries.
    Talking about the ones from Manchester not the ones from Windsor.
    Windsor? Windsor?

    Saxe-Coburg-Gotha!
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,662
    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Mr.Eagles, like Hannibal marching through the Arnus Marshes to confound Flaminius, you confuse retreat for cunning strategy.
  • runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536

    MattW said:

    This is what the Head of Global Estates at the British Council had to say about Prince George:

    http://metro.co.uk/2016/07/26/british-council-worker-described-prince-george-as-a-fking-dkhead-6029047/

    She says she is sound in her socialist, atheist and republican opinions.

    Now I would sign a petition to get her removed from that job. She is clearly unfit to represent our nation.
    Well, clearly she's a bit of a d*ckhead herself, given who she modelled her looks on:

    image

    :-o
    She is white, on £80k a year for a taxpayer funded organisation, lives in a nice pad in town with a progressive musician partner and there are photos of her enjoying large glasses champagne online.

    I'd say she was the epitome of 'white privilege' and it's her comments that show her up to be the f**king d**khead, not Prince George.
    The British Council is full of clowns like this.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,662
    Utterly OT, but the Bugatti Chiron has 1,500 bhp.

    *sighs* I bet proper Top Gear would've done some great things with it.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,531
    edited July 2016
    Scott_P said:
    My MP Wes Streeting's majority in Ilford North is only 589!
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    Scott_P said:
    Gisela? John Woodcock.? Nooooo. We must offer them asylum.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,506

    DaveDave said:

    Always thought that The Royle Family far too white & unreflective of the area they were supposed to live.

    All immigrants, since William the Conquerer! And lived off taxpayers for centuries.
    Talking about the ones from Manchester not the ones from Windsor.
    I've always had the impression the Royle Family was set in Brinnington, a WWC council estate to the north east of Stockport. Jim Royle (despite his accent) appears to support Stockport County, and Nana lives somewhere close to Droylsden, from where it is possible to catch a bus to the Royle's house. And the writers are from Stockport.
    The alternatve theory is that it is set in Wythenshawe (also WWC), leant credence by the fact that Anthony's girlfriend in from Altrincham.
  • VerulamiusVerulamius Posts: 1,535
    IanB2 said:

    ...and this:

    Momentum Rugby ‏@MomentumRugby 26m26 minutes ago
    Yes, a REAL socialist Govt under Corbyn can win #GE20. Look at the Wilson Govt in the 70s - a landslide win. #JezWeCan

    I thought Wilson was a traitor who betrayed the working class by selling out. That's certainly how I remember the left debates in the early 1980s when I was a student.

    Indeed, as the protomomentumists sang,

    The workers' flag is palest pink
    Since Gaitskell dipped it in the sink
    Now Harold's done the same as Hugh
    The workers' flag is brightest blue.


    (Plus, as TSE says, I'd like to see the New Official Definition of the word "landslide". I think it might go a long way to explaining why Corbyn is "definitely going to win a landslide".)
    The version I have is:

    The people's flag is slightly pink
    It is not as red as most folks think
    We must not let the people know
    What socialists thought long ago

    With a chorus of:

    Don't let the scarlet banner float
    We want the middle class's vote
    Let our old-fashioned comrades sneer
    We'll stay in power for many a year

    Written during the Blair years, of course
    That is I think the version in the Liberator Song Book as sang at Liberal and Liberal Democrat conferences. I remember singing that version in Brighton 1989 so certainly written well before Blair.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,284
    edited July 2016

    SandraM said:

    SandraM said:

    SandraM said:

    Re: "white" Royal family - Prince Richard of Gloucester's daughter Davina is married to a Maori.

    Who??? :)
    Do you mean who is the Maori or who is Prince Richard of Gloucester?
    Prince Richard of course :)
    He is the Queen's cousin.

    Does you mean the Duke of Gloucester?
    Prince Richard, Duke of Gloucester, tis the same person...
    I keep getting him and Duke of Kent mixed up, but I saw the latter in the Royal Box at Wimbledon on the second Monday (4th July).

    https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/13653456_10208633982719015_2648237680540366436_o.jpg

    (above pic taken by yours truly!)
    How b$@$&y princes ARE there? How much support do they get from the taxpayer? And IIRC there’s quite an aristocracy among the Maori.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    Scott_P said:
    My MP Wes Streeting's majority in Ilford North is only 589!
    It would be 587 if you'd done your duty
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,769

    Utterly OT, but the Bugatti Chiron has 1,500 bhp.

    *sighs* I bet proper Top Gear would've done some great things with it.

    The top speed will be limited to 261 mph for "safety reasons".
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,347
    The Paris prosecutor's office said this afternoon that one person has been detained in the investigation but gave no details on the identity or location.
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Cookie said:

    DaveDave said:

    Always thought that The Royle Family far too white & unreflective of the area they were supposed to live.

    All immigrants, since William the Conquerer! And lived off taxpayers for centuries.
    Talking about the ones from Manchester not the ones from Windsor.
    I've always had the impression the Royle Family was set in Brinnington, a WWC council estate to the north east of Stockport. Jim Royle (despite his accent) appears to support Stockport County, and Nana lives somewhere close to Droylsden, from where it is possible to catch a bus to the Royle's house. And the writers are from Stockport.
    The alternatve theory is that it is set in Wythenshawe (also WWC), leant credence by the fact that Anthony's girlfriend in from Altrincham.
    I'd not heard about the Hatters link (and being from that part of the world myself I would have thought I would have done)... but if he were from Brinny he'd surely be a Citeh fan.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Pulpstar said:

    Utterly OT, but the Bugatti Chiron has 1,500 bhp.

    *sighs* I bet proper Top Gear would've done some great things with it.

    The top speed will be limited to 261 mph for "safety reasons".
    Quite so, you can often lose control in the 290s. Ask Alastair Cook.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,506

    Cookie said:

    DaveDave said:

    Always thought that The Royle Family far too white & unreflective of the area they were supposed to live.

    All immigrants, since William the Conquerer! And lived off taxpayers for centuries.
    Talking about the ones from Manchester not the ones from Windsor.
    I've always had the impression the Royle Family was set in Brinnington, a WWC council estate to the north east of Stockport. Jim Royle (despite his accent) appears to support Stockport County, and Nana lives somewhere close to Droylsden, from where it is possible to catch a bus to the Royle's house. And the writers are from Stockport.
    The alternatve theory is that it is set in Wythenshawe (also WWC), leant credence by the fact that Anthony's girlfriend in from Altrincham.
    I'd not heard about the Hatters link (and being from that part of the world myself I would have thought I would have done)... but if he were from Brinny he'd surely be a Citeh fan.
    It's in one of the early episodes - Jim asks 'how did County get on?'. As a Stockport County fan myself (though not the sort of fan who does any more these days than note their results) I was pleased. I only placed them in Brinny due to Nana being from somewhere near Droylsden thus shifting the family's centre of gravity north-eastwards a bit.
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    DaveDave said:

    Always thought that The Royle Family far too white & unreflective of the area they were supposed to live.

    All immigrants, since William the Conquerer! And lived off taxpayers for centuries.
    Talking about the ones from Manchester not the ones from Windsor.
    I've always had the impression the Royle Family was set in Brinnington, a WWC council estate to the north east of Stockport. Jim Royle (despite his accent) appears to support Stockport County, and Nana lives somewhere close to Droylsden, from where it is possible to catch a bus to the Royle's house. And the writers are from Stockport.
    The alternatve theory is that it is set in Wythenshawe (also WWC), leant credence by the fact that Anthony's girlfriend in from Altrincham.
    I'd not heard about the Hatters link (and being from that part of the world myself I would have thought I would have done)... but if he were from Brinny he'd surely be a Citeh fan.
    It's in one of the early episodes - Jim asks 'how did County get on?'. As a Stockport County fan myself (though not the sort of fan who does any more these days than note their results) I was pleased. I only placed them in Brinny due to Nana being from somewhere near Droylsden thus shifting the family's centre of gravity north-eastwards a bit.
    Blimey, two of us on PB. Though I haven't been to a game in a decade or so since the trains from London got so expensive...
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503

    SandraM said:

    SandraM said:

    SandraM said:

    Re: "white" Royal family - Prince Richard of Gloucester's daughter Davina is married to a Maori.

    Who??? :)
    Do you mean who is the Maori or who is Prince Richard of Gloucester?
    Prince Richard of course :)
    He is the Queen's cousin.

    Does you mean the Duke of Gloucester?
    Prince Richard, Duke of Gloucester, tis the same person...
    I keep getting him and Duke of Kent mixed up, but I saw the latter in the Royal Box at Wimbledon on the second Monday (4th July).

    https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/13653456_10208633982719015_2648237680540366436_o.jpg

    (above pic taken by yours truly!)
    How b$@$&y princes ARE there? How much support do they get from the taxpayer? And IIRC there’s quite an aristocracy among the Maori.
    GO changed the arrangements. The Monarchy receives a proportion of the income from the Crown Estates.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,531

    Scott_P said:
    My MP Wes Streeting's majority in Ilford North is only 589!
    It would be 587 if you'd done your duty
    Um, I was confident of a Tory victory nationally :)
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,662
    Mr. Pulpstar, wimps.
  • RobD said:

    ICM platinum double-diamond standard status confirmed :D

    Are we believing opinion polls again?
    We're still concerned that they may be understating the true scale of the Conservative lead.
    True. I would take 2% off the Labour number and add it to the Conservatives. 25% Lab and 45% Conservatives would be a reasonable expectation based on the state of all the parties.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,506

    Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    DaveDave said:

    Always thought that The Royle Family far too white & unreflective of the area they were supposed to live.

    All immigrants, since William the Conquerer! And lived off taxpayers for centuries.
    Talking about the ones from Manchester not the ones from Windsor.
    I've always had the impression the Royle Family was set in Brinnington, a WWC council estate to the north east of Stockport. Jim Royle (despite his accent) appears to support Stockport County, and Nana lives somewhere close to Droylsden, from where it is possible to catch a bus to the Royle's house. And the writers are from Stockport.
    The alternatve theory is that it is set in Wythenshawe (also WWC), leant credence by the fact that Anthony's girlfriend in from Altrincham.
    I'd not heard about the Hatters link (and being from that part of the world myself I would have thought I would have done)... but if he were from Brinny he'd surely be a Citeh fan.
    It's in one of the early episodes - Jim asks 'how did County get on?'. As a Stockport County fan myself (though not the sort of fan who does any more these days than note their results) I was pleased. I only placed them in Brinny due to Nana being from somewhere near Droylsden thus shifting the family's centre of gravity north-eastwards a bit.
    Blimey, two of us on PB. Though I haven't been to a game in a decade or so since the trains from London got so expensive...
    You used to get the train from London for the privilege of watching Stockport? That is dedication.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,578

    nunu said:

    My guesstimate of a Tory Majority of 150 isn't far off then. Over on The Labour Party forum this poll has already confidently been referred to as "total bullshit". So thats alright then.

    I supported the NEC interpretation of the rule book that put Corbyn on the ballot without nominations. Might seem like a daft rule but I don't think the writers contemplated a leader not supported by 20% of the PLP with mass support in the membership. Anyway, perhaps the high court might save us by overturning the decision...

    Regarding an early election I keep banging on about November because why wouldn't she? Labour will be on our knees at conference, demoralised, divided, heading from leadership battle into witch hunts and pogroms. We can only go up from there or split or Corbyn drops dear or other events (dear boy, events). Her majority in waiting can only shrink from what she could get in November.

    So the time to go is the autumn. May is already making progress on a deal over Brexit - it won't satisfy many Leave voters, it won't be exactly what was on the referendum question, it won't be what the majority of MPs want and besides she has no working majority. And Labour will be in ruins.

    Why would she not announce in her speech that upon Parliament's return the following Monday that she will seek an early election and its over to Labour MPs if they want to block it.

    Well this poll is out of line with Opinium which puts the Tories just 6 % ahead.
    If May made such an announcement in her Conference speech the earliest date for an election would be 17th or 24th November - depending on how long it took to tidy up parliamentary business. If May ends up having to table a Vote of No Confidence the earliest election dates would be 1st or 8th December.
    I really don't swallow the idea that the public would subsequently punish an Opposition that blocked an early election. Where is the evidence for that? Only political anoraks such as us would give a toss!
    The Opinium poll is the one that looks out of kilter, this is the third double digit lead.
    I can't believe we are seriously debating an election in late November or early December, unless there is a critical reason why there had to be one (e.g. loss of actual majority). This is the UK. An election in darkest December? Get a grip people!!!
    If people won't vote just because it is dark and cold, then frankly they don't care about the result that much and cannot complain if low turnout means it is one they dislike. Thesedays anyone can apply for a postal vote in any case, so there's even less excuse.

  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    RobD said:

    ICM platinum double-diamond standard status confirmed :D

    Are we believing opinion polls again?
    We're still concerned that they may be understating the true scale of the Conservative lead.
    True. I would take 2% off the Labour number and add it to the Conservatives. 25% Lab and 45% Conservatives would be a reasonable expectation based on the state of all the parties.
    Not much sign of that in last week's local by elections.
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    DaveDave said:

    Always thought that The Royle Family far too white & unreflective of the area they were supposed to live.

    All immigrants, since William the Conquerer! And lived off taxpayers for centuries.
    Talking about the ones from Manchester not the ones from Windsor.
    I've always had the impression the Royle Family was set in Brinnington, a WWC council estate to the north east of Stockport. Jim Royle (despite his accent) appears to support Stockport County, and Nana lives somewhere close to Droylsden, from where it is possible to catch a bus to the Royle's house. And the writers are from Stockport.
    The alternatve theory is that it is set in Wythenshawe (also WWC), leant credence by the fact that Anthony's girlfriend in from Altrincham.
    I'd not heard about the Hatters link (and being from that part of the world myself I would have thought I would have done)... but if he were from Brinny he'd surely be a Citeh fan.
    It's in one of the early episodes - Jim asks 'how did County get on?'. As a Stockport County fan myself (though not the sort of fan who does any more these days than note their results) I was pleased. I only placed them in Brinny due to Nana being from somewhere near Droylsden thus shifting the family's centre of gravity north-eastwards a bit.
    Blimey, two of us on PB. Though I haven't been to a game in a decade or so since the trains from London got so expensive...
    You used to get the train from London for the privilege of watching Stockport? That is dedication.
    For a while you could get tickets for £10 each way if you booked long enough in advance. And I got to meet up with a bunch of mates from way back when.

    Given that the nearest game this season is Nuneaton (bloody Lowestoft got relegated!), can't see I'll be making any trips!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,578

    This is what the Head of Global Estates at the British Council had to say about Prince George:

    http://metro.co.uk/2016/07/26/british-council-worker-described-prince-george-as-a-fking-dkhead-6029047/

    She says she is sound in her socialist, atheist and republican opinions.

    She may well be. Apparently she's also a dick about it.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,163
    Dromedary said:



    Breivik was involved in gang activity on the other side from Muslim gangs when younger. He also seems to have had a very psychologically damaged mother. His sexual identity problems come out in how he expresses admiration for male "warriors" who have their sexual organs removed in order to underline or permanentise their heroic commitment to the Cause. You are right that his Christianity isn't profound. He sees himself as some kind of superman of the will and the intellect, in a way reminiscent of Moors murderer Ian Brady. The ideological side of Breivik's motivation is Norwegian racial nationalism (often not very far under the surface in Norway) warmly wrapped up in a broader European white Christian cultural identity. Picture a speechbubble saying "I'll show my compatriots what's really what", as he gets down to cut-and-pasting from "Fjordman", Melanie Phillips, Bat Ye'or and Jeremy Clarkson, explaining how fighting Eurabia and Eurostan is the way forward. Thus he spews on about the Battle of Vienna in 1683 ("Europe" standing up to "Islam"), which is why he entitled his manifesto "2083: A European Declaration of Independence", with a big cross on the front of it. Prior to committing the killings, he prayed or worshipped in a church, taking the view that "there is no atheism in the trenches". There have been well-known personages in Britain who have taken a similar view of the utility of Christianity, but this margin is too small for us to discuss them :)

    Breivik's freemasonic membership? Maybe he got into it from a "Christian warrior knights" angle. Maybe he needed something a bit different in flavour from his main fantasies, in order to strengthen his commitment to them. (Here is a guy who certainly knows how to train his mind.) Or maybe his controllers sent him into it for reasons of misdirection. Breivik didn't go postal. He prepared for years - that's not going postal. I believe he was in contact with others. The small "IT" business he ran with its international presence was most peculiar. Again - not sufficient space to discuss that here. In any case, his freemasonic membership gave the bastard a good excuse for playing dress-up, and he circulated pictures of himself in masonic garb as well as kitted out as a "Marxist hunter".

    Very interesting, but personally I've always had a strong suspicion of false flag about the whole thing. The world agenda needed a right wing Christian terrorist to be soaked in blood. If Breivik hadn't come along, he would have had to have been invented sooner or later.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,197

    justin124 said:

    Labour are going to get pounded like a dockside hooker

    @MSmithsonPB:

    The England alone figures from latest ICM poll.
    CON 47%
    LAB 26%
    A 21% lead

    In Wales the Tories are shown as well ahead of Labour. How likely is that?
    Very likely, Wales is trending towards the Tories, would take less than a 5% swing for the Tories to win the popular vote.

    I think you're misunderestimating how toxic Corbyn is.

    I accurately forecast Wales would back Leave, there's something interesting going on in Wales.
    The most recent ITN/Yougov Wales poll still had Labour 11 % ahead of the Conservatives . You are surely experienced enough to not put too much trust in sub samples from a national poll .
    Pretty sure the Tories are actually ahead of Labour in Scotland, so it stands to reason that at least one of the other sub-samples is overstating them.
    Dream on
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,578

    DaveDave said:

    Always thought that The Royle Family far too white & unreflective of the area they were supposed to live.

    All immigrants, since William the Conquerer! And lived off taxpayers for centuries.
    Talking about the ones from Manchester not the ones from Windsor.
    Windsor? Windsor?

    Saxe-Coburg-Gotha!
    I believe through Phillip the Royals will now be a cadet branch of the House of Schleswig-Holstein-Sunderburg-Glucksberg. Now that's British alright.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,442
    Why is StrongerIN still tweeting? The war's over mate. We lost.
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807

    Dromedary said:



    Breivik was involved in gang activity on the other side from Muslim gangs when younger. He also seems to have had a very psychologically damaged mother. His sexual identity problems come out in how he expresses admiration for male "warriors" who have their sexual organs removed in order to underline or permanentise their heroic commitment to the Cause. You are right that his Christianity isn't profound. He sees himself as some kind of superman of the will and the intellect, in a way reminiscent of Moors murderer Ian Brady. The ideological side of Breivik's motivation is Norwegian racial nationalism (often not very far under the surface in Norway) warmly wrapped up in a broader European white Christian cultural identity. Picture a speechbubble saying "I'll show my compatriots what's really what", as he gets down to cut-and-pasting from "Fjordman", Melanie Phillips, Bat Ye'or and Jeremy Clarkson, explaining how fighting Eurabia and Eurostan is the way forward. Thus he spews on about the Battle of Vienna in 1683 ("Europe" standing up to "Islam"), which is why he entitled his manifesto "2083: A European Declaration of Independence", with a big cross on the front of it. Prior to committing the killings, he prayed or worshipped in a church, taking the view that "there is no atheism in the trenches". There have been well-known personages in Britain who have taken a similar view of the utility of Christianity, but this margin is too small for us to discuss them :)

    Breivik's freemasonic membership? Maybe he got into it from a "Christian warrior knights" angle. Maybe he needed something a bit different in flavour from his main fantasies, in order to strengthen his commitment to them. (Here is a guy who certainly knows how to train his mind.) Or maybe his controllers sent him into it for reasons of misdirection. Breivik didn't go postal. He prepared for years - that's not going postal. I believe he was in contact with others. The small "IT" business he ran with its international presence was most peculiar. Again - not sufficient space to discuss that here. In any case, his freemasonic membership gave the bastard a good excuse for playing dress-up, and he circulated pictures of himself in masonic garb as well as kitted out as a "Marxist hunter".

    Very interesting, but personally I've always had a strong suspicion of false flag about the whole thing. The world agenda needed a right wing Christian terrorist to be soaked in blood. If Breivik hadn't come along, he would have had to have been invented sooner or later.
    Cue scary music. Only on PB.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,780
    runnymede said:

    Perpetual Tory rule is seen as a good thing in Scotland, right?

    https://twitter.com/rosscolquhoun/status/757926498594590721

    The independent fiefdom of the Borders :)
    Very poor colouring in around the Borders there. Lack of art lessons in Scotland?
    Surely the Borders can be deemed to have elected to if necessary move the border when in due course they vote for continued independence (in post Brexit Britain)?
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