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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,006
    Mr. Pulpstar, I believe in the equality of all Britons. This idea of Scottish supremacy via a veto over the majority is as mad as Honorius' approach to governing.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Uncle Len's intv http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/22/intelligence-services-using-dark-practices-against-jeremy-corbyn

    “We found out just a couple of years ago that the chair of my union then, the Transport and General Workers Union, was an MI5 informant at the time that there was a strike taking place that I personally as a worker was involved in. [In] 1972, I was on strike for six weeks. And 30 years later it comes out that the chair of my union at that time was an MI5 informant.”
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,290
    Does Unite represent Tin Foil Hat Makers?
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
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    runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536
    MP_SE said:

    runnymede said:

    Remember how the PB Remainers kept telling us how useless the LEAVE campaign was compared to the PR geniuses behind REMAIN?

    Titter....


    https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/epicfail-how-britain-stronger-europe-blew-basics-pr-marketing-hind

    Embarrassing stuff.
    One wonders, on what topic will our friends turn out to be so badly wrong, next time?
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,431
    HaroldO said:

    Just read Red Len's interview in the Grauniad.........amazing. Just amazing.

    Made my day.

    He clearly watched BBC's 'GBH' when he was much younger, and the plot line implanted somewhere deep in his subconscious
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    Probably just a traditional Middle Eastern wedding.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,006
    Visa restrictions on Turkey still set to be diminished, according to Neil:
    https://twitter.com/afneil/status/756521086079172608
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    runnymede said:

    Remember how the PB Remainers kept telling us how useless the LEAVE campaign was compared to the PR geniuses behind REMAIN?
    Titter....
    https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/epicfail-how-britain-stronger-europe-blew-basics-pr-marketing-hind

    Without all those main articles on the uselessness of the LEAVE campaign.... what would we have done with our time?
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941

    I'll say this, after today's events in Labour I really, really miss Spitting Image.

    Imagine any of the old fashioned satirical shows back this year. Mock the Week isn't really a substitute!
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,006
    Mr. Betting, we could've spent it productively, discussing which of the Diadochi was best.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited July 2016
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    Mr. P, unsurprising (amused at the Welsh, though).

    May should tell them to piss off. I think a UK-wide vote is debatable. One part of the country (or three parts) having veto power over the majority is indefensible.

    Welsh Labour are trying hard to lose a large chunk of their supporters. They are close to the tipping point when they would lose many seats.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,006
    Mr. Betting, are UKIP in a position to take advantage, or would such seats drift to the Conservatives?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    Here we go again.....
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    MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    edited July 2016
    PlatoSaid said:

    Uncle Len's intv http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/22/intelligence-services-using-dark-practices-against-jeremy-corbyn

    “We found out just a couple of years ago that the chair of my union then, the Transport and General Workers Union, was an MI5 informant at the time that there was a strike taking place that I personally as a worker was involved in. [In] 1972, I was on strike for six weeks. And 30 years later it comes out that the chair of my union at that time was an MI5 informant.”

    There was definitely a bit of this about - things that happened in the past will have shaped McCluskey's thought processes. But leave him looking rather ridiculous today.

    Father of a friend of mine was an informant on union activity for an intelligence agency back in the 80s, FWIW.
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    Mr. Betting, we could've spent it productively, discussing which of the Diadochi was best.

    At least it would not be about Hannibal. This website's main writers became part of the establishment for 4 months. Not good for contrarian thinking.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Local German media saying multiple deaths. Sky.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,618
    When is this going to end.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    PlatoSaid said:

    Local German media saying multiple deaths. Sky.

    Let's hope the reports are wrong.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    MaxPB said:

    When is this going to end.

    Given the demographic changes in Germany. Never.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,006
    Mr. Betting, I have a soft spot for Antigonus Monopthalmus, who seemed to be almost the only Diadochus [if I got the singular right] who got on really well with his son.

    Slightly frustratingly, of the three books I've read there has been quite a lot of overlap and each offers something the others don't, but none was quite the comprehensive work I'd like.

    [There is one I don't own called Dividing the Spoils, but the author uses Common Era. I'm somewhat wary of an author who wishes to impose revisionist tosh on the calendar].
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503

    Mr. P, unsurprising (amused at the Welsh, though).

    May should tell them to piss off. I think a UK-wide vote is debatable. One part of the country (or three parts) having veto power over the majority is indefensible.

    Welsh Labour are trying hard to lose a large chunk of their supporters. They are close to the tipping point when they would lose many seats.
    When I moved into the Monmouth constituency it was a Labour marginal (384 maj). It's solidly back to Conservative (c. 11k maj). It's a traditionally Conservative seat mind, but the sitting MP has improved his majority twice.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    MaxPB said:

    When is this going to end.

    If you let millions in from a war zone, this can't come as a surprise.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,006
    Worth waiting for confirmation, even if the first assumption about Munich may well be right. Could be a Breivik-type scenario.
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    Mr. Betting, are UKIP in a position to take advantage, or would such seats drift to the Conservatives?

    UKIP are showing signs of falling apart with Mr Hamilton but a new national Leader may fix things. The Welsh Conservatives under a Brexit Leader are ideally placed. Two parties chasing the majority LEAVE vote and 3-4 parties chasing the REMAIN vote.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    AndyJS said:

    MaxPB said:

    When is this going to end.

    If you let millions in from a war zone, this can't come as a surprise.
    It isn't just those from war zones, they have let in loads from Algeria etc...ie where lots of the French / Belgium nutters have their roots.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,970
    Please, not again.
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    AndyJS said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Local German media saying multiple deaths. Sky.

    Let's hope the reports are wrong.
    Indeed – As with the axe attack on a Munich train, very little ‘accurate’ news was forthcoming in the first hour. We can but hope the final figures are much lower
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292

    Please, not again.

    Yokel on here has said on multiple occasions (including after the train slashing) that was small fry & IS have big plans for Germany.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,006
    Mr. Betting, ah, sounds a bit like Scotland writ small. Cheers for the concise explanation.
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    BigIanBigIan Posts: 198

    I'll say this, after today's events in Labour I really, really miss Spitting Image.

    Couldn't agree more.
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    paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,461
    Totally off topic. Lancaster bomber just flew over :)
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,006
    Mr. 64, they're a bit late...
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,205

    Please, not again.

    Yokel on here has said on multiple occasions (including after the train slashing) that was small fry & IS have big plans for Germany.
    It's easy to assume that if the attacks are not that close together then they probably haven't got that many people. If they start to become more frequent, the pressure on governments to act will grow immensely.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    edited July 2016
    AndyJS said:
    There's the convention bounce...?
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    #BREAKING More than 10,000 passports cancelled due to flight risk: Turkish minister
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    runnymede said:

    Remember how the PB Remainers kept telling us how useless the LEAVE campaign was compared to the PR geniuses behind REMAIN?

    Titter....


    https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/epicfail-how-britain-stronger-europe-blew-basics-pr-marketing-hind

    They over looked one obvious thing- why the Leave Vote campaign was red.
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    ToryJimToryJim Posts: 3,459
    PlatoSaid said:

    #BREAKING More than 10,000 passports cancelled due to flight risk: Turkish minister

    Wow, that's a bit extreme.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Conflict News
    UPDATE: One dead, 10 injured in shooting at #Munich shopping centre: police source - AFP
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    paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,461

    Mr. 64, they're a bit late...

    Heading towards scotland.....
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,006
    Mr. Jim, given 60,000 or so people have been arrested, fired or suspended, 10,000 cancelled passports seems a little on the low side.
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    ToryJim said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    #BREAKING More than 10,000 passports cancelled due to flight risk: Turkish minister

    Wow, that's a bit extreme.
    Are we now finding the real reason why he agreed to crack down on refugees crossing into Greece?
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    nunu said:

    runnymede said:

    Remember how the PB Remainers kept telling us how useless the LEAVE campaign was compared to the PR geniuses behind REMAIN?

    Titter....


    https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/epicfail-how-britain-stronger-europe-blew-basics-pr-marketing-hind

    They over looked one obvious thing- why the Leave Vote campaign was red.
    That's mentioned in one of the other articles linked to at the bottom: https://www.creativereview.co.uk/cr-blog/2016/july/brexit-how-design-made-the-difference/ ("Seeing red").
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,006
    This seems peculiar to me.

    Anti-terror police in France have had a request of theirs rejected. That request? The deletion of footage of the Nice attack. City authorities have refused, on the rather reasonable grounds it may be evidence:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36864440
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    JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,017

    Mr. Betting, I have a soft spot for Antigonus Monopthalmus, who seemed to be almost the only Diadochus [if I got the singular right] who got on really well with his son.

    Slightly frustratingly, of the three books I've read there has been quite a lot of overlap and each offers something the others don't, but none was quite the comprehensive work I'd like.

    [There is one I don't own called Dividing the Spoils, but the author uses Common Era. I'm somewhat wary of an author who wishes to impose revisionist tosh on the calendar].

    I'm not sure what dating convention was used by the Hellenistic Greeks. AUC would obviously be an anachronism.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    Please, not again.

    Yokel on here has said on multiple occasions (including after the train slashing) that was small fry & IS have big plans for Germany.
    He seems to know a lot..........
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    Totally off topic. Lancaster bomber just flew over :)

    Is there a coup on ?
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    I suppose we shouldn't prejudge the outcome of the Lagarde case but taking this together with the circumstances in which her predecessor had to step down, you have to wonder what kind of recruitment process the IMF uses for its senior staff.

    Indeed, quite extraordinary, or has it just been a witch hunt in Lagarde's case?
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    Paul_BedfordshirePaul_Bedfordshire Posts: 3,632
    edited July 2016

    MaxPB said:

    When is this going to end.

    Given the demographic changes in Germany. Never.
    Given previous form over the centuries when that lot have taken exception to minorities, I fear for the future in a rather different way. Enough of this and Germany's version of Fronte Nationale will start harvesting votes in a big way, although I can't see such a party getting a majority ( that said, Hitler didn't get one either he basically staged a coup after becoming the largest party but well short of a majority)
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    EPGEPG Posts: 6,032

    PlatoSaid said:

    Uncle Len's intv http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/22/intelligence-services-using-dark-practices-against-jeremy-corbyn

    “We found out just a couple of years ago that the chair of my union then, the Transport and General Workers Union, was an MI5 informant at the time that there was a strike taking place that I personally as a worker was involved in. [In] 1972, I was on strike for six weeks. And 30 years later it comes out that the chair of my union at that time was an MI5 informant.”

    There was definitely a bit of this about - things that happened in the past will have shaped McCluskey's thought processes. But leave him looking rather ridiculous today.

    Father of a friend of mine was an informant on union activity for an intelligence agency back in the 80s, FWIW.
    We know that more recently, police pretended to be environmental activists and maintained intimate relations with women activists for a decade. Again, infiltration by state security and safety forces seems to be par for the course in trade unions and left activism. Probably not in investment banks, though.
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Reports claim the shooting is over, - 1 dead and 10 injured, no detail so far on the perp.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,006
    Mr. Lilburne, I'm not sure either. May have varied from city to city.

    [Although the Diadochi were, of course, Macedonian (excepting if you count Eumenes of Cardia) it was Greeks who wrote the history, primarily Hieronymus of Cardia].
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,146
    Obama on Trump - "This vision of violence and chaos everywhere doesn't jibe with most people's experience."

    Bad timing for that remark...
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    EPG said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Uncle Len's intv http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/22/intelligence-services-using-dark-practices-against-jeremy-corbyn

    “We found out just a couple of years ago that the chair of my union then, the Transport and General Workers Union, was an MI5 informant at the time that there was a strike taking place that I personally as a worker was involved in. [In] 1972, I was on strike for six weeks. And 30 years later it comes out that the chair of my union at that time was an MI5 informant.”

    There was definitely a bit of this about - things that happened in the past will have shaped McCluskey's thought processes. But leave him looking rather ridiculous today.

    Father of a friend of mine was an informant on union activity for an intelligence agency back in the 80s, FWIW.
    We know that more recently, police pretended to be environmental activists and maintained intimate relations with women activists for a decade. Again, infiltration by state security and safety forces seems to be par for the course in trade unions and left activism. Probably not in investment banks, though.
    I expect a poster here is one of the Queens Men, along with most forums.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    This seems peculiar to me.

    Anti-terror police in France have had a request of theirs rejected. That request? The deletion of footage of the Nice attack. City authorities have refused, on the rather reasonable grounds it may be evidence:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36864440

    Mr Dancer, the French have always been peculiar.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    Visa restrictions on Turkey still set to be diminished, according to Neil:
    https://twitter.com/afneil/status/756521086079172608

    Yes, but it was always going to have a limited scope. Applied to about 1.5m people who would have been awarded visas anyway.

    In any case, what options do the EU have ? If they renege on their commitment, Turkey could take away the naval ships and the coast guards !
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    NeilVW said:

    Thrak said:

    HYUFD said:

    With Trump clearly pitching for the white blue collar vote in a tight national race he probably wins Ohio and North Carolina and Florida and maybe NH and Hillary needs to win Iowa, Nevada and Colorado and Virginia, hence she picks Kaine. The election is then decided in Pennsylvania and Philadelphia and its suburbs v the more rural, rustbelt parts of the state

    Its no wonder they get such poor turnout figures, given how so much of the count is already
    decided. Why not switch to the winner of the national vote?
    That would be logical and much preferable in my opinion. You might be interested in this:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact
    I'm not sure that would help much, it would likely switch the campaigning from perceived swing states to big metropolitan areas. A quarter of the US population live in just 10 conurbations (NY, LA, Chicago, Dallas, Houston, Washington, Philly, Miami, Atlanta, Boston) - and half in the top 44 (some of which really are merged, such as SF and San Jose).
    What a disaster. Election being decided by people rather than archaic maths that gives votes to farmland..
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,205

    I suppose we shouldn't prejudge the outcome of the Lagarde case but taking this together with the circumstances in which her predecessor had to step down, you have to wonder what kind of recruitment process the IMF uses for its senior staff.

    Indeed, quite extraordinary, or has it just been a witch hunt in Lagarde's case?
    Wasn't Strauss-Kahn the victim of a witch hunt too?
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,006
    Mr. B, you may very well think that. I couldn't possibly comment.
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    surbiton said:

    Visa restrictions on Turkey still set to be diminished, according to Neil:
    https://twitter.com/afneil/status/756521086079172608

    Yes, but it was always going to have a limited scope. Applied to about 1.5m people who would have been awarded visas anyway.

    In any case, what options do the EU have ? If they renege on their commitment, Turkey could take away the naval ships and the coast guards !
    They won't do that now. Otherwise the people who have had their passports confiscated will all be heading for Greek Islands of the Turkish coast...
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,146
    surbiton said:

    Visa restrictions on Turkey still set to be diminished, according to Neil:
    https://twitter.com/afneil/status/756521086079172608

    Yes, but it was always going to have a limited scope. Applied to about 1.5m people who would have been awarded visas anyway.

    In any case, what options do the EU have ? If they renege on their commitment, Turkey could take away the naval ships and the coast guards !
    The people it will apply to probably won't have passports much longer anyway so it may be academic.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Chris Ship
    Germany's @Abendzeitung reports up to 15 killed in the Muncich shooting
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,006
    Mr. Surbiton, well, quite.

    Once someone dons the gimp suit and is chained to the radiator, their negotiating leverage declines to a remarkable extent.
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    PlatoSaid said:

    Chris Ship
    Germany's @Abendzeitung reports up to 15 killed in the Muncich shooting

    Given what is on twitter, that looks sadly believable.
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    paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,461
    surbiton said:

    Totally off topic. Lancaster bomber just flew over :)

    Is there a coup on ?
    The only coups in yorkshire are from the pigeons.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    MaxPB said:

    When is this going to end.

    Given the demographic changes in Germany. Never.
    Given previous form over the centuries when that lot have taken exception to minorities, I fear for the future in a rather different way. Enough of this and Germany's version of Fronte Nationale will start harvesting votes in a big way, although I can't see such a party getting a majority ( that said, Hitler didn't get one either he basically staged a coup after becoming the largest party but well short of a majority)
    Is that the reason why we are spending £200 bn to build 40 large tubes ?
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    surbiton said:

    MaxPB said:

    When is this going to end.

    Given the demographic changes in Germany. Never.
    Given previous form over the centuries when that lot have taken exception to minorities, I fear for the future in a rather different way. Enough of this and Germany's version of Fronte Nationale will start harvesting votes in a big way, although I can't see such a party getting a majority ( that said, Hitler didn't get one either he basically staged a coup after becoming the largest party but well short of a majority)
    Is that the reason why we are spending £200 bn to build 40 large tubes ?
    ?
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    edited July 2016
    Haven't the police just said 1 dead and 10 wounded? Are the local press are wrong or are the police not being truthful?
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Michael Smith
    #MUNICH Video of scene of attack is being spread on IS-linked Telegram channels https://t.co/tFB0oaRmT9
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024

    nunu said:

    runnymede said:

    Remember how the PB Remainers kept telling us how useless the LEAVE campaign was compared to the PR geniuses behind REMAIN?

    Titter....


    https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/epicfail-how-britain-stronger-europe-blew-basics-pr-marketing-hind

    They over looked one obvious thing- why the Leave Vote campaign was red.
    That's mentioned in one of the other articles linked to at the bottom: https://www.creativereview.co.uk/cr-blog/2016/july/brexit-how-design-made-the-difference/ ("Seeing red").
    Their over analysing it. You can't have blue in a campaign dominated by the Tories, you need Labour red to appeal to wwc. That's it. Lol.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Haven't the police just said 1 dead and 10 wounded? Either way the local press are wrong or the police aren't being truthful.

    AFP is reporting the 1 dead and 10 wounded as well.
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    Haven't the police just said 1 dead and 10 wounded? Either way the local press are wrong or the police aren't being truthful.

    Alas the police won't state anything other than officially confirmed deaths, ie certified by a doctor. That takes time.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    surbiton said:

    MaxPB said:

    When is this going to end.

    Given the demographic changes in Germany. Never.
    Given previous form over the centuries when that lot have taken exception to minorities, I fear for the future in a rather different way. Enough of this and Germany's version of Fronte Nationale will start harvesting votes in a big way, although I can't see such a party getting a majority ( that said, Hitler didn't get one either he basically staged a coup after becoming the largest party but well short of a majority)
    Is that the reason why we are spending £200 bn to build 40 large tubes ?
    ?
    Trident.
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    brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352

    surbiton said:

    Visa restrictions on Turkey still set to be diminished, according to Neil:
    https://twitter.com/afneil/status/756521086079172608

    Yes, but it was always going to have a limited scope. Applied to about 1.5m people who would have been awarded visas anyway.

    In any case, what options do the EU have ? If they renege on their commitment, Turkey could take away the naval ships and the coast guards !
    The people it will apply to probably won't have passports much longer anyway so it may be academic.
    They won't be academics for long...
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    surbiton said:

    surbiton said:

    MaxPB said:

    When is this going to end.

    Given the demographic changes in Germany. Never.
    Given previous form over the centuries when that lot have taken exception to minorities, I fear for the future in a rather different way. Enough of this and Germany's version of Fronte Nationale will start harvesting votes in a big way, although I can't see such a party getting a majority ( that said, Hitler didn't get one either he basically staged a coup after becoming the largest party but well short of a majority)
    Is that the reason why we are spending £200 bn to build 40 large tubes ?
    ?
    Trident.
    Thats the figure CND have come up with.

    Real figure is £25-31 billion

    Compared with Hinkley Point it looks good value...
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    Paul_BedfordshirePaul_Bedfordshire Posts: 3,632
    edited July 2016
    Twitter poster now claiming unconfirmed reports of a second shooting in Munich and people still in shopping centre.

    Looks grim.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Last five days - French mother and daughters stabbed, axe attack, RAF attempted kidnapping and now this.
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    PlatoSaid said:

    Last five days - French mother and daughters stabbed, axe attack, RAF attempted kidnapping and now this.

    I suppose with ISIS controlled territory being slowly taken back in Iraq by Iraq army with US support and in Syria by Syrian army with Russian support and now getting to the stage where complete overrun of Isis in Iraq and Syria is inevitable, it was fairly likely that this sort of Gotterdamerung strategy would ensure.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,006
    Miss Plato, I was surprised the stabbing didn't make the evening news that day (BBC).

    I wonder if Merkel's as guaranteed for re-election as people think.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    #Breaking Video of suspect shooting in #Munich : Unverified https://t.co/Du467cjYTd
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    MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    EPG said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Uncle Len's intv http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/22/intelligence-services-using-dark-practices-against-jeremy-corbyn

    “We found out just a couple of years ago that the chair of my union then, the Transport and General Workers Union, was an MI5 informant at the time that there was a strike taking place that I personally as a worker was involved in. [In] 1972, I was on strike for six weeks. And 30 years later it comes out that the chair of my union at that time was an MI5 informant.”

    There was definitely a bit of this about - things that happened in the past will have shaped McCluskey's thought processes. But leave him looking rather ridiculous today.

    Father of a friend of mine was an informant on union activity for an intelligence agency back in the 80s, FWIW.
    We know that more recently, police pretended to be environmental activists and maintained intimate relations with women activists for a decade. Again, infiltration by state security and safety forces seems to be par for the course in trade unions and left activism. Probably not in investment banks, though.
    I'd be surprised if there was much active surveillance of the trade unions today, but wouldn't surprise me if the SWP and some other members of the "revolutionary" left still had an eye kept on them from the inside.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Dwnews
    #Munich police say they believe more than one shooter is involved; no one taken into custody yet. More: https://t.co/ye3EdLBDy5
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,205

    Miss Plato, I was surprised the stabbing didn't make the evening news that day (BBC).

    I wonder if Merkel's as guaranteed for re-election as people think.

    She might not survive the weekend.
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    Munich: Reports now of second shooting at Stachus/Karlsplatz.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Allegedly might be more than 1 gunman and multiple deaths

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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    edited July 2016
    Reuters
    BREAKING: Multiple people injured and killed in Munich shopping center shooting - German police

    Edit

    UPDATE: 'We believe we are dealing with a shooting rampage' - Munich police. https://t.co/iktpvLwv89
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    brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    tlg86 said:

    Miss Plato, I was surprised the stabbing didn't make the evening news that day (BBC).

    I wonder if Merkel's as guaranteed for re-election as people think.

    She might not survive the weekend.
    Nonsense, nothing will change.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    SKY - Germany a big target for terrorism as they are so tolerant........

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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,422

    Miss Plato, I was surprised the stabbing didn't make the evening news that day (BBC).

    I wonder if Merkel's as guaranteed for re-election as people think.

    She's very likely to head the largest party/pact but there has to be a real risk that CDU/CSU-SDP-FDP end up sub-50%.
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    PlatoSaid said:

    Reuters
    BREAKING: Multiple people injured and killed in Munich shopping center shooting - German police

    Social and various News Media outlets will be just getting in initial reports and reporting it as ‘real time’, - this will often conflict/contradict with those agencies reporting information more up to date. - That's a fingers crossed it is.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    2nd shooting at metro station allegedly
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,006
    Mr. Herdson, cheers for that answer.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,205
    Floater said:

    2nd shooting at metro station allegedly

    They just mentioned Marienplatz on Sky News which is right in the centre.
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ''Last five days - French mother and daughters stabbed, axe attack, RAF attempted kidnapping and now this.''

    Europe is being run lunatics.


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    I fear this is rather like early reports of major earthquakes that report two dead and some damage and we later discover a city has been flattened.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,205
    Floater said:

    SKY - Germany a big target for terrorism as they are so tolerant........

    I was perplexed by that one, I must admit.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    The vicious circle of our modern times:

    https://twitter.com/NoughtPointFour/status/756542127518220288
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