Announcing the new Con leader on 2nd Sept makes a 2016 GE much more plausible - given that an Oct election is much more realistic than Nov or Dec.
But how do we reconcile the idea of a snap GE with the odds for the next GE?
Con majority is significantly odds against and even Con most seats is now as long as 1.62. Does this suggest the market is not expecting an early GE (even one in early 2017) and is therefore pricing primarily with a view to 2020.
A 2016 GE is just over 2-1 but that doesn't include the option of early 2017.
Surely no new PM is going to call a GE unless they are at least 80%+ sure of a majority - given they are guaranteed nearly another 4 years in office without going for a GE.
Brown suffered due to giving the expectation of an early GE and then backtracking. A new PM obviously mustn't make the same mistake - but if the new PM just says on Day 1 no GE until 2020 then I would have thought the issue would pass fairly quickly.
I would hope they'll hold off on a GE until the UK-EU deal has been implemented, and we're fully out.
Although a GE would allow people to choose between Conservative (EEA) and UKIP (CO) options.
Just looking at some of the interesting results from the ref:Luton voted out, which I did not expect. How much is that dow to the Ford factory moving to Turkey with E.U money?
However, it is not an either or. Yes we have huge structural problems that no one seems to want to address and there is a bigger issue with democracy and accountability, which we are now starting to address.
So far we're addressing it by accelerating Scottish independence and an absence of functioning democracy and accountability at Westminster. We've blown up the system. It's anyone's guess what happens next.
Yes, I agree, things are changing - they had to. Change is both necessary and will take time to complete. In the interim there will be confusion. That confusion will not be permanent and panic just makes it worse in the interim.
Earlier today, I was chatting to an American friend who had noted my absence from my regular haunts over the past couple of weeks. During that conversation it dawned on me that what has actually happened is a genuine revolution. The peasant's revolt of the 21st century. I need to think it through some more, but I do think I might be right.
Yes I agree with you and the revolutionary aspect of it was always clear to me. The people advocating Brexit on the basis that it would be a relatively painless technical adjustment to keep our access to the single market but with a bit more sovereignty were always utterly naive.
Lammy ranting on Sky: "Referendum needs 2/3rds majority. We can't have rule by the mob! I'll never vote for Brexit in the HoC"
I voted Leave and my conscience is also clear.
Sean is being a knob. You make your choices and you live with them. You don't go to pieces at the first sign of trouble.
Quite. I couldn't give a toss about the financial markets.
I'm not going to pieces, but it would take a halfwit not to be worried by the potential for economic calamity - and the dissolution of the Union.
Do you ever go back and look at what you have written on here in the past?
The vitriol you poured on people who declared for remain was quite something. 2 working days in and your flapping like a big girl
lol. I happily admit it's not been my finest hour. I am unnerved. Im my defence, I am unnerved by the numbers of people I like, admire, and even love, who are absolutely shattered by this result - in tears, distraught, looking at horrible changes to their lives.
It's very hard to be relentlessly stoical and convinced of one's virtue when this is happening to immediate friends and family.
Oh man up.
I am mystified by this belated outpouring of love for the EU. Most people I know were in the end Remainers, but almost to a man and woman they were pretty reluctant, taking a "better the devil you know" or "yeah the EU is a bit shit, but it;s too risky to leave" view. Fair enough I guess.
But this woe and handwringing is just bizarre, like we'd elected to all relocate to the Pitcairns and live without electricity. The short term uncertainty and even turmoil is totally expected. We will be just fine, and in a couple of years we will not regret it IMHO.
It's not love for the EU, it's love for friends and family who genuinely fear for their future, who wonder if they will have to move countries, who are in tears at potential bankruptcy.
This is really happening to people, out there, who are extrapolating the future and seeing very dark days ahead. Even if they are wrong (and who knows) it would be inhuman not to feel very sorry for them. If they are right, then my vote was potentially a grave moral mistake, however trivial in the grand scheme.
How can anyone be 100% blithe and certain in this situation? I don't get it.
Nor I. For all the fundamental flaws, the arrogance, the unaccountability, of the EU, it wasn't an easy decision, or shouldn't have been, for anyone.
Announcing the new Con leader on 2nd Sept makes a 2016 GE much more plausible - given that an Oct election is much more realistic than Nov or Dec.
But how do we reconcile the idea of a snap GE with the odds for the next GE?
Con majority is significantly odds against and even Con most seats is now as long as 1.62. Does this suggest the market is not expecting an early GE (even one in early 2017) and is therefore pricing primarily with a view to 2020.
A 2016 GE is just over 2-1 but that doesn't include the option of early 2017.
Surely no new PM is going to call a GE unless they are at least 80%+ sure of a majority - given they are guaranteed nearly another 4 years in office without going for a GE.
Brown suffered due to giving the expectation of an early GE and then backtracking. A new PM obviously mustn't make the same mistake - but if the new PM just says on Day 1 no GE until 2020 then I would have thought the issue would pass fairly quickly.
They need to override the fixed term parliament act but I understand that there is a straightforward way of doing so?
Just looking at some of the interesting results from the ref:Luton voted out, which I did not expect. How much is that dow to the Ford factory moving to Turkey with E.U money?
Do you not think Chilcot next week is not a motivation for any?
No, I don't think so. Lots of these MPs are 2005, 2010 and 2015 intake, and of the others few were involved in any significant way with the decision or with the dodgy dossier, the hounding of Dr Kelly etc.
If we have a recession after Brexit, it will be because it is a self-fulling prophecy. Stop being no negative and worried about it.
Osborne has form on this. There was quite a rapid recovery under way in mid 2010 before he did his utmost to talk the economy down and changed economic sentiment for the worse.
Mervyn King was particularly scathing about his recent actions on the WaO earlier.
If one man's talking, even an important man, can change the sentiment, it was never strong to begin with.
Oh, this is pathetic! I can see that the class of 2016 would have surrendered in 1940. What wallies. I am truly ashamed of some of the moaning on PB today.
Churchill was pro-Europe. We've lost the battle but not (yet) the war to keep Britain in the EU and we'll fight on.
No rational person could blame Jeremy Corbyn for Brexit. So why are the Blairites moving against Corbyn now, with such precipitate haste?
The answer is the Chilcot Report. It is only a fortnight away, and though its form will be concealed by thick layers of establishment whitewash, the basic contours of Blair’s lies will still be visible beneath. Corbyn had deferred to Blairite pressure not to apologise on behalf of the Labour Party for the Iraq War until Chilcot is published.
For the Labour Right, the moment when Corbyn as Labour leader stands up in parliament and condemns Blair over Iraq, is going to be as traumatic as it was for the hardliners of the Soviet Communist Party when Khruschev denounced the crimes of Stalin. It would also destroy Blair’s carefully planned post-Chilcot PR strategy. It is essential to the Blairites that when Chilcot is debated in parliament in two weeks time, Jeremy Corbyn is not in place as Labour leader to speak in the debate. The Blairite plan is therefore for the parliamentary party to depose him as parliamentary leader and get speaker John Bercow to acknowledge someone else in that fictional position in time for the Chilcot debate, with Corbyn remaining leader in the country but with no parliamentary status.
So how does that explain all the resignations from the centre and left of the party?
How do you explain that they are not prepared to mount a leadership challenge and let democracy decide.
I am not sure this has finished playing out yet. I'd be very surprised if there wasn't a leadership challenge now. If Corbyn is allowed on the ballot automatically he'll win. If he has to get nominations from MPs, he will not be a candidate. I am happy to concede that the members prefer him to a functioning Labour party. That is their choice, I agree. But it is absolutely clear that Corbyn has lost support across the whole of the PLP. This is not just a few disaffected "Blairites".
Announcing the new Con leader on 2nd Sept makes a 2016 GE much more plausible - given that an Oct election is much more realistic than Nov or Dec.
But how do we reconcile the idea of a snap GE with the odds for the next GE?
Con majority is significantly odds against and even Con most seats is now as long as 1.62. Does this suggest the market is not expecting an early GE (even one in early 2017) and is therefore pricing primarily with a view to 2020.
A 2016 GE is just over 2-1 but that doesn't include the option of early 2017.
Surely no new PM is going to call a GE unless they are at least 80%+ sure of a majority - given they are guaranteed nearly another 4 years in office without going for a GE.
Brown suffered due to giving the expectation of an early GE and then backtracking. A new PM obviously mustn't make the same mistake - but if the new PM just says on Day 1 no GE until 2020 then I would have thought the issue would pass fairly quickly.
They need to override the fixed term parliament act but I understand that there is a straightforward way of doing so?
Repealing it? Although constitutional experts are divided as to whether you can restore a royal prerogative. instead, it may need to be stated in the law that the monarch/PM can call for a dissolution.
No rational person could blame Jeremy Corbyn for Brexit. So why are the Blairites moving against Corbyn now, with such precipitate haste?
The answer is the Chilcot Report. It is only a fortnight away, and though its form will be concealed by thick layers of establishment whitewash, the basic contours of Blair’s lies will still be visible beneath. Corbyn had deferred to Blairite pressure not to apologise on behalf of the Labour Party for the Iraq War until Chilcot is published.
For the Labour Right, the moment when Corbyn as Labour leader stands up in parliament and condemns Blair over Iraq, is going to be as traumatic as it was for the hardliners of the Soviet Communist Party when Khruschev denounced the crimes of Stalin. It would also destroy Blair’s carefully planned post-Chilcot PR strategy. It is essential to the Blairites that when Chilcot is debated in parliament in two weeks time, Jeremy Corbyn is not in place as Labour leader to speak in the debate. The Blairite plan is therefore for the parliamentary party to depose him as parliamentary leader and get speaker John Bercow to acknowledge someone else in that fictional position in time for the Chilcot debate, with Corbyn remaining leader in the country but with no parliamentary status.
No rational people could blame Corbyn for the fact that a third of Labour voters (like you) wantonly triggered instability and chaos and voted out? He lost me at the first sentence. We seem to have created a nasty sub-party that thinks it's wise to royally screw "that London" and "the bankers" and "the immigrants" when really they are screwed each and every one of us.
Corbyn is disgrace for the way he equivocated and refused to properly campaign.
Entirely agree, if Corbyn had said he was an outer from the start then all the working classes would have been seen to have voted with him allowing him to at least claim he and the party are on the same sonsheet as the WWC voters. But he didnt, he ermed, ummed and arred his way through and how it looks like the entire corbyn man of the people plan is in ruins.
Q. How many Remainers does it take to change a lightbulb?
A. None, they're frightened of change.
Talking of lightbulbs, does being out mean we can go back to traditional bulbs that don't take ten minutes to actually light up?
I had forgotten about that. It would be great if we could. Like a lot of people I suffer very bad headaches with some of the energy efficient versions. Not all of them but just some. I have to spend a lot of time working out which ones to use.
You can still get them. My local hardware shop sells them. You can also get 'rough use' versions which are designed for industrial use but apart from thicker glass they are identical.
Will anybody actually dare push the button in the end? I have my doubts...
There's little sense in invoking it until we actually have a deal. It's an article written by the EU to favour the EU and put the invoking state in a position of supplication. Better to negotiate first and formalise later.
Quite why so many Remainers are desperate for Britain to do something that is plainly not in our national interest is beyond me.
@jonwalker121: Shadow Police Minister Jack Dromey resigns - and warns Labour faces "catastrophic defeat" unless Corbyn stands down https://t.co/7bjIaVsjOr
Announcing the new Con leader on 2nd Sept makes a 2016 GE much more plausible - given that an Oct election is much more realistic than Nov or Dec.
But how do we reconcile the idea of a snap GE with the odds for the next GE?
Con majority is significantly odds against and even Con most seats is now as long as 1.62. Does this suggest the market is not expecting an early GE (even one in early 2017) and is therefore pricing primarily with a view to 2020.
A 2016 GE is just over 2-1 but that doesn't include the option of early 2017.
Surely no new PM is going to call a GE unless they are at least 80%+ sure of a majority - given they are guaranteed nearly another 4 years in office without going for a GE.
Brown suffered due to giving the expectation of an early GE and then backtracking. A new PM obviously mustn't make the same mistake - but if the new PM just says on Day 1 no GE until 2020 then I would have thought the issue would pass fairly quickly.
I would hope they'll hold off on a GE until the UK-EU deal has been implemented, and we're fully out.
Although a GE would allow people to choose between Conservative (EEA) and UKIP (CO) options.
ideally we should now have a GE, before we invoke A50, where the four parties present four coherent options:
Lib Dems: Stay in on whatever terms we can get Labour: Stay in and *Try to Renegotiate Free Movement* Tories: Move to EEA, if we can UKIP: Completely out
That covers all bases. Let the voters make a refined and informed choice. My guess is that they would go for Tories/UKIP (unless we have TOTAL market meltdown) but at least this time we would all be voting on something closer to the facts.
If there was ever a need for a GE to be conducted under AV, it is that one
No rational person could blame Jeremy Corbyn for Brexit. So why are the Blairites moving against Corbyn now, with such precipitate haste?
The problem with that argument is that it's not 'Blairites', in any meaningful sense of the term, who are moving against Corbyn.
A Blairite is: 1. Anyone who does not support Jeremy Corbyn as Labour leader. 2. Anyone who wants Labour to win the next general election more than they want Jeremy Corbyn to be Labour leader.
Q. How many Remainers does it take to change a lightbulb?
A. None, they're frightened of change.
Talking of lightbulbs, does being out mean we can go back to traditional bulbs that don't take ten minutes to actually light up?
I had forgotten about that. It would be great if we could. Like a lot of people I suffer very bad headaches with some of the energy efficient versions. Not all of them but just some. I have to spend a lot of time working out which ones to use.
If you can afford to run incandescent short lived heaters (sorry lightbulbs) then there are no doubt a few shops still selling old stock. Only an idiot would buy incandescent bulbs now LEDs are available. Instant light up, about a tenth of power consumption and last longer, so cheaper over the lifetime. Also many look really nice.
"Governments around the world have passed measures to phase out incandescent light bulbs for general lighting in favor of more energy-efficient lighting alternatives. Phase-out regulations effectively ban the manufacture, importation or sale of incandescent light bulbs for general lighting. The regulations would allow sale of future versions of incandescent bulbs if they are sufficiently energy efficient.
It wasn't all the EU's fault: Brazil and Venezuela started the controversial phase-out in 2005,[citation needed] and the European Union, Switzerland,[1] and Australia[2] started to phase them out in 2009.[3] Likewise, other nations are implementing new energy standards or have scheduled phase-outs: Argentina,[4] and Russia in 2012, and the United States, Canada,[5] Mexico, Malaysia[6] and South Korea in 2014." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-out_of_incandescent_light_bulbs
Was not out and about since the referendum, my first real chance today to see how my overwhelmingly remain colleagues have taken things. A lot of stunned reactions and worry for the future, but only a few aware it seems of calls for another referendum and didn't seem that keen, although more thought a GE was not far off, which in theory might stop things, still a few who don't accept thus is happening.
A lot contempt for Boris and Corbyn though, though most thought the former could not be stopped at this point.
On a far more serious note fellow PBers may recall that several months ago I advised that a small company my family had personal but not financial associations with for decades was struggling with retaining and bidding for contracts from European firms because of uncertainty caused by the referendum. Investment and job security was at stake including two new apprenticeships and the possibility of an exit from the UK was being researched.
I regret to say that uncertainty and the BREXIT vote will result in all bar four staff of the firm losing their jobs. The company is executing its plan to move within the EU.
Real people with mortgages and families to support and now with real redundancies to contend with.
Just looking at some of the interesting results from the ref:Luton voted out, which I did not expect. How much is that dow to the Ford factory moving to Turkey with E.U money?
The fact that there would be adverse consequences in the short term was well advertised and accepted (see Charles' posts on here). I see no reason to run around panicking in best Corporal Jones fashion.
Adverse economic consequences are one thing, but I have a feeling that most Leavers didn't really consider the adverse political consequences.
What adverse political consequences, Mr. Glenn? Surely not that Cameron has gone (and soon I hope his sidekick will follow him) or that Labour is falling apart. Inconvenient in that the process of government has to go on, but the summer recess is coming up and I am sure it will all be sorted by the autumn.
Scotland gearing up for Independence might be regarded as adverse by some, but it has been clear for a long time that the union is broken beyond repair. I had hoped they go in 2014. So if Scotland want to go and use the exit from the UK as a pretext then that is fine by me.
@SeanT There is a "March against Brexit" on 2nd July at 11 am in London if you fancy atoning.
If it's ten million, and not just claimed to be Millions, then it will be something to take note off.
I've no issue with campaigning for another vote - though struggle with how to be justified - as a democratic vote can overturn a democratic vote, but a march to express displeasure no doubt full of not in my name whiners? No thanks
MikeK Oh, this is pathetic! I can see that the class of 2016 would have surrendered in 1940. What wallies. I am truly ashamed of some of the moaning on PB today.
'Churchill was pro-Europe. We've lost the battle but not (yet) the war to keep Britain in the EU and we'll fight on.'
Good luck with that,ignoring the will of the people should go down a treat.
If we have a recession after Brexit, it will be because it is a self-fulling prophecy. Stop being no negative and worried about it.
Osborne has form on this. There was quite a rapid recovery under way in mid 2010 before he did his utmost to talk the economy down and changed economic sentiment for the worse.
Mervyn King was particularly scathing about his recent actions on the WaO earlier.
If one man's talking, even an important man, can change the sentiment, it was never strong to begin with.
One could say the same about 'Brexit uncertainty'.
Oh, this is pathetic! I can see that the class of 2016 would have surrendered in 1940. What wallies. I am truly ashamed of some of the moaning on PB today.
The situations are in no way applicable and so the suggestion the reactions would be different is utter nonsense speculation. People going back to that sort of line is worse then calling on the spirit of thatcher, it's fatuous, crass bollocks.
People could stand to toughen up, to be firmer, but it's a godsdamned political blog not a war, people are not shaming themselves or their generation by reacting pseudonymously in a less than admirable fashion.
This EU campaign is getting to me, that's twice I've snapped at people. But would a 1940s man have done do more than twice? That's the question, apparently
Corbyn in an implicit call for Cameron to invoke Article 50 tomorrow...
Not sure it should be tomorrow but I would like to see it done very soon. Delaying it just adds to uncertainty. It will also ensure the if it's calling for the decision to be reversed can't win.
Edit. By soon I mean within days.
I understand why it has not been triggered, though. We can't really start negotiations until we have a permanent government, which we won't have until we have a new leader of the Conservative Party. If that process ended up drawn out for any reason, you could end up losing a fifth of your two year window.
Plus it is about negotiating advantage. The EU wants the article 10 more than we do. Once submitted, we need a deal more than the EU does. Being the needy person in a negotiation is never the best place to be.
It's not love for the EU, it's love for friends and family who genuinely fear for their future, who wonder if they will have to move countries, who are in tears at potential bankruptcy.
This is really happening to people, out there, who are extrapolating the future and seeing very dark days ahead. Even if they are wrong (and who knows) it would be inhuman not to feel very sorry for them. If they are right, then my vote was potentially a grave moral mistake, however trivial in the grand scheme.
How can anyone be 100% blithe and certain in this situation? I don't get it.
Oh dear God grow a pair ffs!
Nothing has HAPPENED. INHUMAN not to feel sorry for people kept awake at night over their property prices? I'll worry about actual suffering if I may.
Observation DC....the best Tory politician of his generation.....
FWIW....I think the better Cameron comes across now, the more likely Boris will not succeed him.
Through incompetence, arrogance and laziness he just got us OUT of the EU. How can he be the best Tory pol of a generation, in your europhile eyes????
Think you'll find that was the imbeciles voting Leave without the first idea of what their actions would lead to. And who believed promises of untold riches reigning down on the NHS and threats of swarthy migrants molesting our wives and daughters. So no. Not Cameron or Osborne to blame.
If I what? Don't keep me in suspense; I'm sure it's scintillating.
It's not love for the EU, it's love for friends and family who genuinely fear for their future, who wonder if they will have to move countries, who are in tears at potential bankruptcy.
This is really happening to people, out there, who are extrapolating the future and seeing very dark days ahead. Even if they are wrong (and who knows) it would be inhuman not to feel very sorry for them. If they are right, then my vote was potentially a grave moral mistake, however trivial in the grand scheme.
How can anyone be 100% blithe and certain in this situation? I don't get it.
Oh dear God grow a pair ffs!
Nothing has HAPPENED. INHUMAN not to feel sorry for people kept awake at night over their property prices? I'll worry about actual suffering if I may.
Observation DC....the best Tory politician of his generation.....
FWIW....I think the better Cameron comes across now, the more likely Boris will not succeed him.
Through incompetence, arrogance and laziness he just got us OUT of the EU. How can he be the best Tory pol of a generation, in your europhile eyes????
Think you'll find that was the imbeciles voting Leave without the first idea of what their actions would lead to. And who believed promises of untold riches reigning down on the NHS and threats of swarthy migrants molesting our wives and daughters. So no. Not Cameron or Osborne to blame.
If I what? Don't keep me in suspense; I'm sure it's scintillating.
He deserves it. This weekend has shown he doesn't have what it takes to be a leading statesman.
Not a word the whole weekend and the first time we hear from him is in his article for the Telegraph FFS.
That's a good point. You'd have thought Boris would have presented his views on the way forward on the floor of the Commons in this debate, rather than in a newspaper article. I'm sure Tory MPs will have noticed.
There was no opportunity for Boris to present his views on the way forward in parliament today.
On a far more serious note fellow PBers may recall that several months ago I advised that a small company my family had personal but not financial associations with for decades was struggling with retaining and bidding for contracts from European firms because of uncertainty caused by the referendum. Investment and job security was at stake including two new apprenticeships and the possibility of an exit from the UK was being researched.
I regret to say that uncertainty and the BREXIT vote will result in all bar four staff of the firm losing their jobs. The company is executing its plan to move within the EU.
Real people with mortgages and families to support and now with real redundancies to contend with.
If we have a recession after Brexit, it will be because it is a self-fulling prophecy. Stop being no negative and worried about it.
Osborne has form on this. There was quite a rapid recovery under way in mid 2010 before he did his utmost to talk the economy down and changed economic sentiment for the worse.
Mervyn King was particularly scathing about his recent actions on the WaO earlier.
If one man's talking, even an important man, can change the sentiment, it was never strong to begin with.
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Do you not think Chilcot next week is not a motivation for any?
Fascinating how all the people who don't like the result, now want to overturn democracy.
Presumably Leave would have been allowed to do the same if they had lost?
Will anybody actually dare push the button in the end? I have my doubts...
http://order-order.com/2016/06/27/cameron-labour-thought-bad-day/
Quite why so many Remainers are desperate for Britain to do something that is plainly not in our national interest is beyond me.
@jonwalker121: Shadow Police Minister Jack Dromey resigns - and warns Labour faces "catastrophic defeat" unless Corbyn stands down https://t.co/7bjIaVsjOr
Of course the new PM will push it. Tsk.
1. Anyone who does not support Jeremy Corbyn as Labour leader.
2. Anyone who wants Labour to win the next general election more than they want Jeremy Corbyn to be Labour leader.
Only an idiot would buy incandescent bulbs now LEDs are available. Instant light up, about a tenth of power consumption and last longer, so cheaper over the lifetime. Also many look really nice.
"Governments around the world have passed measures to phase out incandescent light bulbs for general lighting in favor of more energy-efficient lighting alternatives. Phase-out regulations effectively ban the manufacture, importation or sale of incandescent light bulbs for general lighting. The regulations would allow sale of future versions of incandescent bulbs if they are sufficiently energy efficient.
It wasn't all the EU's fault:
Brazil and Venezuela started the controversial phase-out in 2005,[citation needed] and the European Union, Switzerland,[1] and Australia[2] started to phase them out in 2009.[3] Likewise, other nations are implementing new energy standards or have scheduled phase-outs: Argentina,[4] and Russia in 2012, and the United States, Canada,[5] Mexico, Malaysia[6] and South Korea in 2014."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-out_of_incandescent_light_bulbs
A lot contempt for Boris and Corbyn though, though most thought the former could not be stopped at this point.
new thread
On a far more serious note fellow PBers may recall that several months ago I advised that a small company my family had personal but not financial associations with for decades was struggling with retaining and bidding for contracts from European firms because of uncertainty caused by the referendum. Investment and job security was at stake including two new apprenticeships and the possibility of an exit from the UK was being researched.
I regret to say that uncertainty and the BREXIT vote will result in all bar four staff of the firm losing their jobs. The company is executing its plan to move within the EU.
Real people with mortgages and families to support and now with real redundancies to contend with.
Scotland gearing up for Independence might be regarded as adverse by some, but it has been clear for a long time that the union is broken beyond repair. I had hoped they go in 2014. So if Scotland want to go and use the exit from the UK as a pretext then that is fine by me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlnWv2xrPdo
I've no issue with campaigning for another vote - though struggle with how to be justified - as a democratic vote can overturn a democratic vote, but a march to express displeasure no doubt full of not in my name whiners? No thanks
MikeK
Oh, this is pathetic! I can see that the class of 2016 would have surrendered in 1940. What wallies. I am truly ashamed of some of the moaning on PB today.
'Churchill was pro-Europe. We've lost the battle but not (yet) the war to keep Britain in the EU and we'll fight on.'
Good luck with that,ignoring the will of the people should go down a treat.
People could stand to toughen up, to be firmer, but it's a godsdamned political blog not a war, people are not shaming themselves or their generation by reacting pseudonymously in a less than admirable fashion.
This EU campaign is getting to me, that's twice I've snapped at people. But would a 1940s man have done do more than twice? That's the question, apparently
There was no opportunity for Boris to present his views on the way forward in parliament today.
There were just brief questions to the PM.