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Yes.anotherDave said:
Was Ms Leadsom there?Scott_P said:@PCollinsTimes: A debate on leaving the EU in the House of Commons and Gove and Johnson don't turn up. No more pious lectures on democracy from them.
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Surely Cameron doesn't dare invoke Article 50 without a vote in the House of Commons? He has no mandate.0
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#wheresBorisSouthamObserver said:Contemplating Boris's lack of spine, I am reminded of Monty Python's Brave Sir Robin:
Brave Sir Robin ran away
(No!)
Bravely ran away away
(I didn't!)
When danger reared its ugly head
He bravely turned his tail and fled
(No!)
Yes, brave Sir Robin turned about
(I didn't!)
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Wonder if now he has revealed what a cluster fuck he has made if it, Boris will bottle and not standSouthamObserver said:Extraordinary that Boris has not shown up. What a complete tosser he is. I very much look forward to him taking over as PM and being exposed to the full consequences of the lies he told.
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In the name of sanity will you all calm down. The FTSE was 500 points lower than this last summer when China had a wobble and the pound is only a cent or two lower than it was against the dollar in February.
Frankly the way our politicians are running round like headless chickens in a student union meltdown it is a testament to our healthy state that a far worse dip hasnt occured.
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Mr T,
"I am unnerved by the numbers of people I like, admire, and even love, who are absolutely shattered by this result - in tears, distraught, looking at horrible changes to their lives."
There will always be soft shites around. Tell them to pull themselves together, there's kids in Africa with nothing to eat. That's more important.
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I understand why it has not been triggered, though. We can't really start negotiations until we have a permanent government, which we won't have until we have a new leader of the Conservative Party. If that process ended up drawn out for any reason, you could end up losing a fifth of your two year window.Richard_Tyndall said:
Not sure it should be tomorrow but I would like to see it done very soon. Delaying it just adds to uncertainty. It will also ensure the if it's calling for the decision to be reversed can't win.williamglenn said:Corbyn in an implicit call for Cameron to invoke Article 50 tomorrow...
Edit. By soon I mean within days.0 -
He's not going to stand. He'd hold his seat if he did.Pong said:
Do you think he'll lose his seat, or not stand?Tissue_Price said:Clegg pleading for an early GE so he can leave the HoC.
I recon he'll keep his seat if he stands.
Fancy an evens bet?0 -
I thought 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 14 & 16/1 about Leaving the EU were over reactions to the last opinion poll myself, but I guess you are right that they didn't panic once the result was obviousRichard_Nabavi said:
Last Thursday they under-reacted and failed to panic when they should have done.MontyHall said:"Markets overreact and panic. Then they settle down."
See last Thursday on Betfair for evidence of that
What price do you think Boris should be for next Con leader?0 -
If you paid £3 in the first Labour vote do you get to go again for the second one ?0
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My understanding is he doesn't need one.John_N4 said:Surely Cameron doesn't dare invoke Article 50 without a vote in the House of Commons? He has no mandate.
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Thanks so a couple of hundred self interested get to decide.Jobabob said:
By the PLP.bigjohnowls said:
So how do you think a new leader should be chosen?Jobabob said:
I prefer to consider the needs of the 9 million who voted Labour in 2015, not the membership which represent 0.5% of them, if that.bigjohnowls said:
So you dont want a democratic election where members get a sayJobabob said:
Corbyn has been given plenty of time. He has utterly failed. If the party has to split and be led in parliament by someone vaguely competent, so be itbigjohnowls said:
Anyone?bigjohnowls said:Jeremy Corbyn MP @jeremycorbyn 17h17 hours ago
Those wanting to change Labour's leadership will have to stand in a democratic election in which I'll be a candidate
Can someone tell me why the splitters dont want to do this.
It can only be because they want to impose a new leader without members getting a say IMO
Surely some of the splitter supporters on here must have a view?
Fair enough nor do the splitters
Simple question.
FWIW thats what the splitters want too IMO
You think thats more democratic than half a million deciding.
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Sehr Geehrte Frau Merkel,rottenborough said:
Kelvin McKenzie this morning, SeanT this afternoon. How many others are out there? What a disaster.Jobabob said:
Fair play to you for having the cojones to admit you were wrong.SeanT said:
lol. I happily admit it's not been my finest hour. I am unnerved. Im my defence, I am unnerved by the numbers of people I like, admire, and even love, who are absolutely shattered by this result - in tears, distraught, looking at horrible changes to their lives.saddened said:
Do you ever go back and look at what you have written on here in the past?SeanT said:
I'm not going to pieces, but it would take a halfwit not to be worried by the potential for economic calamity - and the dissolution of the Union.Sean_F said:
Quite. I couldn't give a toss about the financial markets.Richard_Tyndall said:
I voted Leave and my conscience is also clear.Bob__Sykes said:
You voted Out!SeanT said:
But if the economic meltdown continues then there will be a lot of people, an awful lot, who would quite like parliament to overrule the people.RodCrosby said:Lammy ranting on Sky: "Referendum needs 2/3rds majority. We can't have rule by the mob! I'll never vote for Brexit in the HoC"
I presume we have all seen Kelvin MacKenzie's public expression of Bremorse in the Sun?
As I said yesterday, the markets will decide this, and right now the markets are going mental. A bigger loss than Lehmans. We have destabilised not only ourselves, but other countries, some of which were perilously close to chaos already.
I also suggested that we were entering a dynamic, chaotic state yesterday - that we had set off an entirely unpredictable chain reaction. And I was pooh-poohed by some.
Maybe the fiend Osborne was right and we have put a bomb under everything. Eeeesh.
How do we unclusterfuck this?
This uncertainty and turmoil, wholly predictable and indeed predicted, was the principal reason I backed Remain in the end, to the bemusement of some on here.
My conscience is at least clear.
Sean is being a knob. You make your choices and you live with them. You don't go to pieces at the first sign of trouble.
The vitriol you poured on people who declared for remain was quite something. 2 working days in and your flapping like a big girl
It's very hard to be relentlessly stoical and convinced of one's virtue when this is happening to immediate friends and family.
Please give BoJo a face saving way out of this,
Mit freundlichen Gruess,
The ex-Leavers0 -
@SeanT Just to cheer you up a bit - I purchased a copy of The Ice Twins on Saturday; 99p in Oxfam. I look forward to a good read.0
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Telling Juncker and Merkel to go fly a kite when they demanded immediate trigger of clause 50 was certainly a good feeling.midwinter said:
Hey...but at least we've got our sovereignty back. Feels great doesn't it.Jobabob said:
An insight into the europhobe mentality. It doesn't matter how much value is wiped off the economy, how many pensions are wrecked, how many of people's hard earned assets are crushed in value or how many jobs are lost. As long as we leave the EU, that's a price worth paying.Sean_F said:
Quite. I couldn't give a toss about the financial markets.Richard_Tyndall said:
I voted Leave and my conscience is also clear.Bob__Sykes said:
You voted Out!SeanT said:
But if the economic meltdown continues then there will be a lot of people, an awful lot, who would quite like parliament to overrule the people.RodCrosby said:Lammy ranting on Sky: "Referendum needs 2/3rds majority. We can't have rule by the mob! I'll never vote for Brexit in the HoC"
I presume we have all seen Kelvin MacKenzie's public expression of Bremorse in the Sun?
As I said yesterday, the markets will decide this, and right now the markets are going mental. A bigger loss than Lehmans. We have destabilised not only ourselves, but other countries, some of which were perilously close to chaos already.
I also suggested that we were entering a dynamic, chaotic state yesterday - that we had set off an entirely unpredictable chain reaction. And I was pooh-poohed by some.
Maybe the fiend Osborne was right and we have put a bomb under everything. Eeeesh.
How do we unclusterfuck this?
This uncertainty and turmoil, wholly predictable and indeed predicted, was the principal reason I backed Remain in the end, to the bemusement of some on here.
My conscience is at least clear.
Sean is being a knob. You make your choices and you live with them. You don't go to pieces at the first sign of trouble.0 -
And Gove did not turn up either. Jaysus. That is pathetic.saddened said:
Wonder if now he has revealed what a cluster fuck he has made if it, Boris will bottle and not standSouthamObserver said:Extraordinary that Boris has not shown up. What a complete tosser he is. I very much look forward to him taking over as PM and being exposed to the full consequences of the lies he told.
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The FTSE 250 only breached the current level on the way up in 2013.Paul_Bedfordshire said:In the name of sanity will you all calm down. The FTSE was 500 points lower than this last summer when China had a wobble and the pound is only a cent or two lower than it was against the dollar in February.
Frankly the way our politicians are running round like headless chickens in a student union meltdown it is a testament to our healthy state that a far worse dip hasnt occured.
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Apparently labour mp were shouting resign at corbyn on HoC. Imagine if he does win another leadership contest, how can the PLP carry on?0
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He has already confirmed that he will not be invoking Article 50.Richard_Tyndall said:
My understanding is he doesn't need one.John_N4 said:Surely Cameron doesn't dare invoke Article 50 without a vote in the House of Commons? He has no mandate.
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The HoC statement is hilarious
A series of Brexiteer back-benchers are begging Cameron to get them out of the shit.0 -
Boris strikes me as one of those people with a huge intellect backed up by absolutely no common sense at all. Added to that the claims of his laziness I really don't think he is PM material.Jonathan said:
#wheresBorisSouthamObserver said:Contemplating Boris's lack of spine, I am reminded of Monty Python's Brave Sir Robin:
Brave Sir Robin ran away
(No!)
Bravely ran away away
(I didn't!)
When danger reared its ugly head
He bravely turned his tail and fled
(No!)
Yes, brave Sir Robin turned about
(I didn't!)
And gallantly he chickened out0 -
you were robbed....SandyRentool said:@SeanT Just to cheer you up a bit - I purchased a copy of The Ice Twins on Saturday; 99p in Oxfam. I look forward to a good read.
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Those prices were, in retrospect, reactions to No 10's internal poll (55-45 to Remain, with Lord Cooper predicting 60-40). The even bigger prices were after Farage conceded.MontyHall said:
I thought 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 14 & 16/1 about Leaving the EU were over reactions to the last opinion poll myself, but I guess you are right that they didn't panic once the result was obviousRichard_Nabavi said:
Last Thursday they under-reacted and failed to panic when they should have done.MontyHall said:"Markets overreact and panic. Then they settle down."
See last Thursday on Betfair for evidence of that
What price do you think Boris should be for next Con leader?
Perfectly reasonable drift, I suppose. But the post-results prices were insane.0 -
It's not even funny anymore
@nedsimons: Rumour that Green MP Caroline Lucas being lined up as the 'surprising name' as shadow energy secretary.
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I think that I'd put the probabilities at something like 40% Boris, 40% Theresa, 20% Other. But it is early days and things are obviously very volatile.MontyHall said:
I thought 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 14 & 16/1 about Leaving the EU were over reactions to the last opinion poll myself, but I guess you are right that they didn't panic once the result was obviousRichard_Nabavi said:
Last Thursday they under-reacted and failed to panic when they should have done.MontyHall said:"Markets overreact and panic. Then they settle down."
See last Thursday on Betfair for evidence of that
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I thought I was the one who called you a quisling (I would never call you a pig mind)SeanT said:
Did I say that? Heh. I've still got the old Insult Mojo Then.TheScreamingEagles said:
You were warned.SeanT said:
lol. I happily admit it's not been my finest hour. I am unnerved. Im my defence, I am unnerved by the numbers of people I like, admire, and even love, who are absolutely shattered by this result - in tears, distraught, looking at horrible changes to their lives.saddened said:
Do you ever go back and look at what you have written on here in the past?SeanT said:
I'm not going to pieces, but it would take a halfwit not to be worried by the potential for economic calamity - and the dissolution of the Union.Sean_F said:
Quite. I couldn't give a toss about the financial markets.Richard_Tyndall said:
I voted Leave and my conscience is also clear.Bob__Sykes said:
You voted Out!SeanT said:
But if the economic meltdown continues then there will be a lot of people, an awful lot, who would quite like parliament to overrule the people.RodCrosby said:Lammy ranting on Sky: "Referendum needs 2/3rds majority. We can't have rule by the mob! I'll never vote for Brexit in the HoC"
I presume we have all seen Kelvin MacKenzie's public expression of Bremorse in the Sun?
As I said yesterday, the markets will decide this, and right now the markets are going mental. A bigger loss than Lehmans. We have destabilised not only ourselves, but other countries, some of which were perilously close to chaos already.
I also suggested that we were entering a dynamic, chaotic state yesterday - that we had set off an entirely unpredictable chain reaction. And I was pooh-poohed by some.
Maybe the fiend Osborne was right and we have put a bomb under everything. Eeeesh.
How do we unclusterfuck this?
This uncertainty and turmoil, wholly predictable and indeed predicted, was the principal reason I backed Remain in the end, to the bemusement of some on here.
My conscience is at least clear.
Sean is being a knob. You make your choices and you live with them. You don't go to pieces at the first sign of trouble.
The vitriol you poured on people who declared for remain was quite something. 2 working days in and your flapping like a big girl
It's very hard to be relentlessly stoical and convinced of one's virtue when this is happening to immediate friends and family.
Sack up you Quisling pig, which I believe is the comment you aimed at me for backing Remain
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True - he could exercise the royal prerogative, but that would be one hell of a way to treat the Commons on this issue.Richard_Tyndall said:
My understanding is he doesn't need one.John_N4 said:Surely Cameron doesn't dare invoke Article 50 without a vote in the House of Commons? He has no mandate.
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Merkel didn't. She's on our side in the internal EU battle.weejonnie said:Telling Juncker and Merkel to go fly a kite when they demanded immediate trigger of clause 50 was certainly a good feeling.
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If the Labour leadership election falls within the annual £3 subscription, I don’t see why not.Pulpstar said:If you paid £3 in the first Labour vote do you get to go again for the second one ?
However, given the time scale of the last, I feel that somehow unlikely.
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Excellent newsScott_P said:It's not even funny anymore
@nedsimons: Rumour that Green MP Caroline Lucas being lined up as the 'surprising name' as shadow energy secretary.0 -
Indeed it is. I've found the online form to grass up Scott_P for online hatred in the Belief category - which is the closest category to the Remain bile.Brom said:
surely online hate crime is more likely from the remain side?Scott_P said:Brexiteers look away, You want to keep pretending this is not happening
@SkyNewsBreak: National Police Chiefs' Council: reports to online hate crime reporting site up 57% between Thursday and Sunday compared to four weeks ago
https://www.scotland.police.uk/secureforms/hate-crime/
I picked Police Scotland from the dropdown as they've got a good reputation for investigating any old crock-of-shit report they get about grumpiness online.
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Incorrect, he was by the Speaker's Chair apparently.SouthamObserver said:
And Gove did not turn up either. Jaysus. That is pathetic.saddened said:
Wonder if now he has revealed what a cluster fuck he has made if it, Boris will bottle and not standSouthamObserver said:Extraordinary that Boris has not shown up. What a complete tosser he is. I very much look forward to him taking over as PM and being exposed to the full consequences of the lies he told.
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Laughablebigjohnowls said:
Excellent newsScott_P said:It's not even funny anymore
@nedsimons: Rumour that Green MP Caroline Lucas being lined up as the 'surprising name' as shadow energy secretary.0 -
An 'opposition of national unity' wouldn't be a bad idea at the moment. Not one led by Corbyn though.Scott_P said:It's not even funny anymore
@nedsimons: Rumour that Green MP Caroline Lucas being lined up as the 'surprising name' as shadow energy secretary.
I wonder if Clegg could even command a majority of MPs made up of mainstream Labour + enough remain Tories.0 -
It's Royal Prerogative - so the PM decides - in practice probably having discussed it with the Cabinet......Richard_Tyndall said:
My understanding is he doesn't need one.John_N4 said:Surely Cameron doesn't dare invoke Article 50 without a vote in the House of Commons? He has no mandate.
Boris coming in for a lot of stick from all sides......0 -
Does anyone know why the word "racist" is being used to describe attacks by Europeans on other Europeans? Maybe I'm being pedantic and should just accept that the meaning of the word has changed to refer to incidents which don't necessarily have anything to do with race.0
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I am unnerved by the numbers of people I like, admire, and even love, who are absolutely shattered by this result - in tears, distraught, looking at horrible changes to their lives.
It's very hard to be relentlessly stoical and convinced of one's virtue when this is happening to immediate friends and family.
These people, though, were the ones happily stoking up all that weight on the camel's back and delightedly sneering at the plebs while they were doing it. You may like or love them but deep down they have some guilt here. The thing I am truly sorry about is that the establishment encouraged the inhabitants of the London bubble - their virtue signalling, their disdain. They still don't realise they're the bad guys. When that realisation dawns (if ever) then we can have a decent politics back.
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First sign of the 'progessive alliance' at the next election?Jobabob said:
Laughablebigjohnowls said:
Excellent newsScott_P said:It's not even funny anymore
@nedsimons: Rumour that Green MP Caroline Lucas being lined up as the 'surprising name' as shadow energy secretary.0 -
PB fevered imaginations are one thing, but now I'm on holiday for a week tomorrow (bought my foreign currency a month ago). When I come back, Mr P will still be spinning like a top and Mr T will be on his third or fourth change of mind.
But we'll still be out so that makes the sunshine even brighter. Hope it doesn't rain too hard for you, metaphorically or literally.0 -
The current situation does appear very volatile, and I can't pretend not to be concerned.
However.
I don't believe the EU can go on as it is. Nor do I believe it is a stable prospect for the long term. The degree of integration will be unravelled by centuries of national sentiment, variation of culture, and democratic deficit.
Consider how difficult things seem now. And then consider how much worse it would be if we were in the euro. Add ten years of integration, or twenty, and disentangling nation-states will not be impossible, but it may be bloody.
The most alarming aspect appears to be the minimal planning from politicians, which amounts to a dereliction of duty. Damned fools have led us to this point (Cameron with a referendum he never wanted and thought he'd walk, and Boris, campaigning for something he never believed in and never wanted) but we must make the best of it.0 -
Completely off-topic: something called 'Google Play Service', which I've never consciously used and don't want to use, is using massive amounts of battery power (90%!) on my Android phone. How on earth do I kill it off?0
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February Low: 1.386Paul_Bedfordshire said:the pound is only a cent or two lower than it was against the dollar in February.
Current Price: 1.315
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Call it tribalist then. We've sunk even lower down the civilisational hierarchy.AndyJS said:Does anyone know why the word "racist" is being used to describe attacks by Europeans on other Europeans? Maybe I'm being pedantic and should just accept that the meaning of the word has changed.
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I'm a Leaver, and let's be realistic, that has nothing to do with the EU.Wulfrun_Phil said:
I'm afraid we're justt going to have to differ on the issue of the relevance of proportions.
I accept that there's an issue about financial services that's particularly relevant to (EU-friendly) London, given how imbalanced the UK economy has become. However, there's an issue about our declining manufacturing base, that's particularly relevant to us here in the West Midlands. That base has declined at a precipitate rate over the past 40 years, far more steeply than in other industrialised countries, and that coincides with our membership of the EU. Some rebalancing of our economy is necessary and desirable.
Look at the last 25 years. In 1991, the Germans got East Germany. It was a mess. There was nothing competitive about East German workers, and their formerly communist businesses were low quality and almost universally loss making.
Now, East Germany is a manufacturing powerhouse. Wages are well above the levels of Sunderland. Unemployment - while higher than in the West - is now well under 10%, There is new equipment and the region exports to China, India, and the US. There are real jobs for people - and these aren't all in marketing or finance (the two British specialities).
Rather than blaming external agencies (the EU), we need to ask what is it about the British system that allowed Walsall and Sunderland and Rotherham to be such disasters, while Germany (inside the EU) has made such a success of former East Germany.0 -
OMG - things must be bad - steady on!david_herdson said:
Odds on Skinner being in the Shadow Cabinet by teatime?TheScreamingEagles said:@henrymance: Dennis Skinner just flicked a V-sign at Labour MPs in the Commons. It's not quite fighting in the Turkish parliament, but give it time.
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Many of us are now resisting the urge to post here who did it - and instantly turn your new book into a table leg straightener.SandyRentool said:@SeanT Just to cheer you up a bit - I purchased a copy of The Ice Twins on Saturday; 99p in Oxfam. I look forward to a good read.
I won't because I enjoyed reading my copy very much. Excellent book by @SeanT0 -
It is why the EU will deal. It always has been.SeanT said:
But it's the GLOBAL contagion which is so unnerving. A bigger global stockmarket drop than Lehmans?? Italian banks teetering near default? There's a reasonable chance that Britain will pull through OK - but other countries will go over the edge.Paul_Bedfordshire said:In the name of sanity will you all calm down. The FTSE was 500 points lower than this last summer when China had a wobble and the pound is only a cent or two lower than it was against the dollar in February.
Frankly the way our politicians are running round like headless chickens in a student union meltdown it is a testament to our healthy state that a far worse dip hasnt occured.
I know zerohedge is prone to hysteria, but his site is quite mind-bending at the mo.
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I don't mind really but to use "racist" to describe something that doesn't have anything to do with race doesn't seem like a good choice if we're trying to have some sort of relation between words and their meaning.saddened said:
What word would you recommend!AndyJS said:Does anyone know why the word "racist" is being used to describe attacks by Europeans on other Europeans? Maybe I'm being pedantic and should just accept that the meaning of the word has changed.
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The EU now wants us out of the EU. All this debate over whether we will invoke article 50 is moot. They didn't want Brexit because of the crisis it triggers, and the short term budget issues. But long term, an eu federation becomes more likely once the biggest obstacle, us, is removed. There is no possible way they could let us stay after this vote, holding the threat of article 50 over their heads
There won't be contagion, look at Spanish election and a swing back to stability. This has hardly been a swimming start to Brexit and won't intice other countries. The EU wants us gone ASAP and if we don't invoke article 50 soon they will find other ways to shove us towards the door.0 -
You don't. You probably need it.Richard_Nabavi said:Completely off-topic: something called 'Google Play Service', which I've never consicously used and don't want to use, is using massive amounts of battery power (90!) on my Android phone. How on earth do I kill it off?
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I believe that is how updates are deliveredRichard_Nabavi said:Completely off-topic: something called 'Google Play Service', which I've never consciously used and don't want to use, is using massive amounts of battery power (90%!) on my Android phone. How on earth do I kill it off?
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If it's at 90% restart and hope it doesn't continue to leak...Jonathan said:
You don't. You probably need it.Richard_Nabavi said:Completely off-topic: something called 'Google Play Service', which I've never consicously used and don't want to use, is using massive amounts of battery power (90!) on my Android phone. How on earth do I kill it off?
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Now THAT is a great idea.williamglenn said:
An 'opposition of national unity' wouldn't be a bad idea at the moment. Not one led by Corbyn though.Scott_P said:It's not even funny anymore
@nedsimons: Rumour that Green MP Caroline Lucas being lined up as the 'surprising name' as shadow energy secretary.
I wonder if Clegg could even command a majority of MPs made up of mainstream Labour + enough remain Tories.0 -
Well, it wasn't using battery until a few days ago.Jonathan said:
You don't. You probably need it.Richard_Nabavi said:Completely off-topic: something called 'Google Play Service', which I've never consicously used and don't want to use, is using massive amounts of battery power (90!) on my Android phone. How on earth do I kill it off?
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But it's the GLOBAL contagion which is so unnerving. A bigger global stockmarket drop than Lehmans?? Italian banks teetering near default? There's a reasonable chance that Britain will pull through OK - but other countries will go over the edge.
One aspect of today's performance by the remainer furies is how uncritical they are of the authorities' hand in all this. It Is All The Fault Of British Voters.
Never mind the world created for us by the global elite has already suffered one heart attack in 2008, and doesn;t deliver for vast swathes of its citizens.
No siree. It's all our fault. Every bit of it. What an absurd notion.0 -
The pound was @ 1.51 to the dollar back when the Stock market had the 'blip'0
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Let's see if Boston is still dancing in the streets when Boris has negotiated a deal with continued Freedom of Movement - suckers.CD13 said:Just to cheer up you sad Remainers.
I've phoned one of my brothers in Brexit Central. He says Boston is overjoyed and not worried at all. It's party time there. If you go and claim to have voted Leave you'll be garlanded with flowers.0 -
So where is the coward Boris?
He's not running a department like Osborne.
Will Boris will now only be commentating via his Telegraph column?0 -
So do you see Brexit as just a way of blowing up the Westminster system which has failed large parts of the country? If so, you will probably get your wish but at great cost.rcs1000 said:Rather than blaming external agencies (the EU), we need to ask what is it about the British system that allowed Walsall and Sunderland and Rotherham to be such disasters, while Germany (inside the EU) has made such a success of former East Germany.
We would have been far better off if Eurosceptics had spent the last 25 years addressing the real issues at a national level rather than using Europe as a proxy to stoke discontent.0 -
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Which are the Greens' top twenty target seats and who currently holds them?RodCrosby said:
First sign of the 'progessive alliance' at the next election?Jobabob said:
Laughablebigjohnowls said:
Excellent newsScott_P said:It's not even funny anymore
@nedsimons: Rumour that Green MP Caroline Lucas being lined up as the 'surprising name' as shadow energy secretary.0 -
I've restarted several times (not least because the battery has run out).TheWhiteRabbit said:
If it's at 90% restart and hope it doesn't continue to leak...Jonathan said:
You don't. You probably need it.Richard_Nabavi said:Completely off-topic: something called 'Google Play Service', which I've never consicously used and don't want to use, is using massive amounts of battery power (90!) on my Android phone. How on earth do I kill it off?
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Is that a BBC or ZBC interview?AndyJS said:David Lammy on how he thinks parliament should reject the referendum result:
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The lack of confidence in a Uk free EU is a big part of it.taffys said:But it's the GLOBAL contagion which is so unnerving. A bigger global stockmarket drop than Lehmans?? Italian banks teetering near default? There's a reasonable chance that Britain will pull through OK - but other countries will go over the edge.
One aspect of today's performance by the remainer furies is how uncritical they are of the authorities' hand in all this. It Is All The Fault Of British Voters.
Never mind the world created for us by the global elite has already suffered one heart attack in 2008, and doesn;t deliver for vast swathes of its citizens.
No siree. It's all our fault. Every bit of it. What an absurd notion.
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Was Boris Johnson really absent?0
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The word is pretty much meaningless these days. It can mean whatever you choose it to mean.AndyJS said:Does anyone know why the word "racist" is being used to describe attacks by Europeans on other Europeans? Maybe I'm being pedantic and should just accept that the meaning of the word has changed to refer to incidents which don't necessarily have anything to do with race.
Unless you are a rabid SJW the word has lost much of its power through misuse and dilution.0 -
So maybe John McDonnell wouldnt get on the ballot because he might be too popular with members.Jonathan said:
I would like to see the leadership rules played with a straight bat. As such candidates should only be nominated if they have the actual, real support of the PLP. Clearly to lead Labour you need the support of both members and MPs.bigjohnowls said:
Do you want the members to decide a new Lab leader?Jonathan said:
Appreciate the effort at spinning. You are Peter Mandelson and I claim my £5bigjohnowls said:
So you dont want a democratic election where members get a sayJobabob said:
Corbyn has been given plenty of time. He has utterly failed. If the party has to split and be led in parliament by someone vaguely competent, so be itbigjohnowls said:
Anyone?bigjohnowls said:Jeremy Corbyn MP @jeremycorbyn 17h17 hours ago
Those wanting to change Labour's leadership will have to stand in a democratic election in which I'll be a candidate
Can someone tell me why the splitters dont want to do this.
It can only be because they want to impose a new leader without members getting a say IMO
Surely some of the splitter supporters on here must have a view?
Fair enough nor do the splitters
Simple question no spin required.
If so Those wanting to change Labour's leadership will have to stand in a democratic election in which JC will be a candidate.
Whats the problem?
If I were to change anything I would amend the £3 rules where anyone can claim to be a supporter of the party and get a vote. We caught some Tories for Corbyn at my CLP (a sitting councillor FFS), but I suspect we didn't catch them all.
I agree that having some support within the PLP is important but the current PLP views are off the scale to the right of members supporters and in my view voters.
I think Corbyn might step down if the Labour left could muster even 35 in the PLP but i dont think it can.
Do you genuinely think the right of the party will allow a straight bat approach if it meant either Corbyn or McDonnell were on the ballot?
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British voters were given plenty of warning of what would happen. It's their fault they ignored the warnings, aided and abetted by Leave celebrities who told them experts weren't needed anymore.taffys said:But it's the GLOBAL contagion which is so unnerving. A bigger global stockmarket drop than Lehmans?? Italian banks teetering near default? There's a reasonable chance that Britain will pull through OK - but other countries will go over the edge.
One aspect of today's performance by the remainer furies is how uncritical they are of the authorities' hand in all this. It Is All The Fault Of British Voters.
Never mind the world created for us by the global elite has already suffered one heart attack in 2008, and doesn;t deliver for vast swathes of its citizens.
No siree. It's all our fault. Every bit of it. What an absurd notion.0 -
Brussels have implanted a Leave virus onto all UK computers and mobile devices.Richard_Nabavi said:
Well, it wasn't using battery until a few days ago.Jonathan said:
You don't. You probably need it.Richard_Nabavi said:Completely off-topic: something called 'Google Play Service', which I've never consicously used and don't want to use, is using massive amounts of battery power (90!) on my Android phone. How on earth do I kill it off?
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JRM should be PM - class act.0
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I imagine it falls into the category of tired and cba. A series of people scrawl graffiti on your walls, shit on your lawn and then hang around abusing you and telling you that it's your job to clean it up.SeanT said:Compelling photo
Osborne looks ruined. Grayling looks furious, and maybe also ruined
https://twitter.com/david_oldbolt/status/7474450778956840960 -
Yes.AlastairMeeks said:Was Boris Johnson really absent?
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What a crass misjudgement.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes.AlastairMeeks said:Was Boris Johnson really absent?
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As in what Osborne has done to the British economy?matt said:
I imagine it falls into the category of tired and cba. A series of people scrawl graffiti on your walls, shit on your lawn and then hang around abusing you and telling you that it's your job to clean it up.SeanT said:Compelling photo
Osborne looks ruined. Grayling looks furious, and maybe also ruined
https://twitter.com/david_oldbolt/status/7474450778956840960 -
But only half of us did that.not_on_fire said:
British voters were given plenty of warning of what would happen. It's their fault they ignored the warnings, aided and abetted by Leave celebrities who told them experts weren't needed anymore.taffys said:But it's the GLOBAL contagion which is so unnerving. A bigger global stockmarket drop than Lehmans?? Italian banks teetering near default? There's a reasonable chance that Britain will pull through OK - but other countries will go over the edge.
One aspect of today's performance by the remainer furies is how uncritical they are of the authorities' hand in all this. It Is All The Fault Of British Voters.
Never mind the world created for us by the global elite has already suffered one heart attack in 2008, and doesn;t deliver for vast swathes of its citizens.
No siree. It's all our fault. Every bit of it. What an absurd notion.0 -
Oh man up.SeanT said:
lol. I happily admit it's not been my finest hour. I am unnerved. Im my defence, I am unnerved by the numbers of people I like, admire, and even love, who are absolutely shattered by this result - in tears, distraught, looking at horrible changes to their lives.saddened said:
Do you ever go back and look at what you have written on here in the past?SeanT said:
I'm not going to pieces, but it would take a halfwit not to be worried by the potential for economic calamity - and the dissolution of the Union.Sean_F said:
Quite. I couldn't give a toss about the financial markets.Richard_Tyndall said:
I voted Leave and my conscience is also clear.Bob__Sykes said:
Sean is being a knob. You make your choices and you live with them. You don't go to pieces at the first sign of trouble.
The vitriol you poured on people who declared for remain was quite something. 2 working days in and your flapping like a big girl
It's very hard to be relentlessly stoical and convinced of one's virtue when this is happening to immediate friends and family.
I am mystified by this belated outpouring of love for the EU. Most people I know were in the end Remainers, but almost to a man and woman they were pretty reluctant, taking a "better the devil you know" or "yeah the EU is a bit shit, but it;s too risky to leave" view. Fair enough I guess.
But this woe and handwringing is just bizarre, like we'd elected to all relocate to the Pitcairns and live without electricity. The short term uncertainty and even turmoil is totally expected. We will be just fine, and in a couple of years we will not regret it IMHO.0 -
Norwich South, Bristol West, Sheffield Central ?david_herdson said:
Which are the Greens' top twenty target seats and who currently holds them?RodCrosby said:
First sign of the 'progessive alliance' at the next election?Jobabob said:
Laughablebigjohnowls said:
Excellent newsScott_P said:It's not even funny anymore
@nedsimons: Rumour that Green MP Caroline Lucas being lined up as the 'surprising name' as shadow energy secretary.0 -
Observation DC....the best Tory politician of his generation.....
FWIW....I think the better Cameron comes across now, the more likely Boris will not succeed him.0 -
Do you not like Caroline?Jobabob said:
Laughablebigjohnowls said:
Excellent newsScott_P said:It's not even funny anymore
@nedsimons: Rumour that Green MP Caroline Lucas being lined up as the 'surprising name' as shadow energy secretary.
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And Gove cowering behind The Speaker's chair.AlastairMeeks said:
What a crass misjudgement.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes.AlastairMeeks said:Was Boris Johnson really absent?
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\Is your firmware up to date?Richard_Nabavi said:
I've restarted several times (not least because the battery has run out).TheWhiteRabbit said:
If it's at 90% restart and hope it doesn't continue to leak...Jonathan said:
You don't. You probably need it.Richard_Nabavi said:Completely off-topic: something called 'Google Play Service', which I've never consicously used and don't want to use, is using massive amounts of battery power (90!) on my Android phone. How on earth do I kill it off?
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I must admit it's a cowardly thing to do - I'd have thought Gove would have had a greater sense of decency, but there you go.SouthamObserver said:Extraordinary that Boris has not shown up. What a complete tosser he is. I very much look forward to him taking over as PM and being exposed to the full consequences of the lies he told.
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Its only affecting remainers mobile devices I understandSandyRentool said:
Brussels have implanted a Leave virus onto all UK computers and mobile devices.Richard_Nabavi said:
Well, it wasn't using battery until a few days ago.Jonathan said:
You don't. You probably need it.Richard_Nabavi said:Completely off-topic: something called 'Google Play Service', which I've never consicously used and don't want to use, is using massive amounts of battery power (90!) on my Android phone. How on earth do I kill it off?
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Corbyn's speech at 15:40. Once again he doesn't sound particularly heartbroken by the result of the referendum, starting off by praising the high turnout:
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She's okay, but the fact that Corbyn is having to resort to MPs from other parties to fill his OWN FRONT BENCH should tell you all you need to know about his power in parliamentbigjohnowls said:
Do you not like Caroline?Jobabob said:
Laughablebigjohnowls said:
Excellent newsScott_P said:It's not even funny anymore
@nedsimons: Rumour that Green MP Caroline Lucas being lined up as the 'surprising name' as shadow energy secretary.0 -
''British voters were given plenty of warning of what would happen. It's their fault they ignored the warnings, aided and abetted by Leave celebrities who told them experts weren't needed anymore. ''
The global economy should be able to take in its stride a change in political direction its fifth or sixth largest participant, surely.
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Today is one of the finest demonstration of Statesmanship by David Cameron and the pity is that neither Boris or Gove had the courtesy to attend. In my opinion he will be sadly missed0
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Keep it up Lammy. You're doing God's work.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Is that a BBC or ZBC interview?AndyJS said:David Lammy on how he thinks parliament should reject the referendum result:
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You can hunt around the menus for the running apps and see what options you have...Richard_Nabavi said:Completely off-topic: something called 'Google Play Service', which I've never consicously used and don't want to use, is using massive amounts of battery power (90!) on my Android phone. How on earth do I kill it off?
OR, and this is what I do, use the power/restart for your phone to clear it all up.
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@StigAbell: Boris Johnson doesn't attend commons debate on Brexit. He explains why next Monday only in the Telegraph.0
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Five years ago you were warning of the imminent collapse of the euro - its still going. The only union that is going to collapse now is the UK.Morris_Dancer said:
I don't believe the EU can go on as it is. Nor do I believe it is a stable prospect for the long term.0 -
There was always going to be buyer’s remorse whichever way the result went. If it had been a close Remain vote a lot of floating voters who voted Remain would have been giving interviews now saying how they wish they’d voted Leave.0
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Some of us were, just look at the posts on here from Alanbrooke and myself, amongst others, over the past few years. Every time someone tried to protest they were fobbed off, the politicians knew best, them and those terribly clever fellows in the city.williamglenn said:
....rcs1000 said:Rather than blaming external agencies (the EU), we need to ask what is it about the British system that allowed Walsall and Sunderland and Rotherham to be such disasters, while Germany (inside the EU) has made such a success of former East Germany.
We would have been far better off if Eurosceptics had spent the last 25 years addressing the real issues at a national level rather than using Europe as a proxy to stoke discontent.
Look, FFS, at what Osborne himself said back in 2010; then consider what he actually did and weep.
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Nah, Remain wouldn't have seen the financial market reactions we'd seen with Leave winningAndyJS said:There was always going to be buyer’s remorse whichever way the result went. If it had been a close Remain vote a lot of floating voters who voted Remain would have been giving interviews now saying how they wish they’d voted Leave.
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Much less likely. We'd have all forgotten about it by now and would have been getting on with out lives.AndyJS said:There was always going to be buyer’s remorse whichever way the result went. If it had been a close Remain vote a lot of floating voters who voted Remain would have been giving interviews now saying how they wish they’d voted Leave.
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