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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,951

    Terrific statesmanship from David Cameron

    Agreed.
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503

    Jobabob said:

    surbiton said:

    John_M said:

    surbiton said:

    surbiton said:

    Today is the first day when the NHS will get another £350m. Tomorrow too and the day after...

    £100m per week isn't £350m per day...
    The battle bus clearly stated the £350m figure.
    We're still in the EU. Please try and remember that. The UK does not abrogate treaties unilaterally, and all our current obligations, including financial ones, still apply. Nothing has changed.
    So, we will invoke Article 50 in 20xx. Fill in the xx's.
    The Brexiteers don't have a clue, not a single clue, about what they are going to do now. They seem to expect Cameron and the europhiles to sort it out for them.
    Indeed. Hence why we see the more middle-of-the-road Brexiters like Charles hang their hats on the vain hope of EFTA/EEA.

    I wonder how Boris is feeling this morning? Happy that we've voted 'his' way and he's a step nearer No.10, and/or disappointed that we're actually going to leave? His heart wasn't exactly in it.

    Oh, and as for who takes over: anyone but Boris.
    At the risk of pointing out the blindingly obvious, nearly half the electorate thought that, on balance, they rather liked the idea of staying in the EU. It would be stupid to just say "Y'all lost, suck it up". We have to take account of the strength of feeling there. Especially so as a good deal of that vote is concentrated in London, our most important asset.

    That limits what can be accomplished. I have no clue about EFTA/EEA. But I do think that some kind of free movement is going to be inevitable. There will be additional restrictions on access to social housing, welfare, health care and so on. IIRC at present c. 58% of EU migrants have a job on entry, so that would likely change.

    We have got to get a grip on planning reform. If I were PrimeMinister.Next I'd be introducing some element of a command economy for housing.

    We're not building enough (duh!) and those we are building are not necessarily in the right places (duh!). We also need to figure out how to encourage empty nesters to move out of their 4/5 bedders, which will also require housebuilding and perhaps even financial incentives.

    In summary, we have to show sensitivity to the 48%. Otherwise it really is pointless.
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,711
    He's going.
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    JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,215
    He's going, isn't he!!
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    numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 5,491
    He's going.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,100
    notme said:

    Just heard Corbyn on Radio 5, not the slightest regret in his voice!!!!

    Of course not, this result secures him as leader, New Labour is now dead
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    MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    GONE!
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,760
    Moses_ said:

    He's going to resign by the looks
    Someone else to carry this forward?

    So when he said he wouldnt resign he didn't mean it ?
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,062

    Charles said:

    Leavers seeking the country to unite after the decision might have thought a bit more about the aftermath while conducting their campaign.

    Include me out. Pursue your mad agenda obtained by pandering to xenophobia by yourselves. I see no reason why I should assist in such a folly.

    Because I believe you are a democrat and a patriot.

    Everyone has a duty to serve the public will - we should all do our best to seek the best outcome for the country within the framework of what the people have decided

    This morning I'm nervous, but excited.
    I respect the referendum decision.

    I see no reason at all why I should help implement a decision that I believe to be mad and to have been engineered through disgraceful tactics. Those that were hellbent on this crazy course of action can get on with it, but I shall lean against a wall watching their exertions.
    Graveyards are full of indispensible people

    I'm sure the UK will still function with or without you
    Hear Hear , the sooner the bad losers take a hike the better, pack their loot and take a hike
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Cameron to resign.
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    edited June 2016
    Boom

    Weeks and months but hey he was going anyway
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,195
    Gone.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,760
    GOING
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    LowlanderLowlander Posts: 941
    RESIGNED
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,676
    Yesssss!!!!!!!!!
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,711
    wow oh wow....
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Mr Meeks - your dignified and statesmanlike acceptance of the result mirrors your behaviour during the campaign.

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    old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    Cameron resigns 24 hours after my tweet :triumph:

    https://twitter.com/old_labour/status/745881009351180288

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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,137
    Gone by the Conference
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    JennyFreemanJennyFreeman Posts: 488
    That's a bloody impressive and statesmanlike performance from Cameron. Wow. Super impressed after a shoddy campaign.
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    What about George?
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    To get a new leader by October will need the process to start PDQ.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,760
    delivering staibility is important, but I'm going after 6 hours

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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985
    :o
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    SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,650
    Great decision by Cameron. Will stay on for 3 months to steady the ship.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    No Article 50 until the new PM is in place.
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    BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944
    Is this news? I thought that they had been doing that for 250 years, or have I missed something?
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    StarfallStarfall Posts: 78
    Good riddance to him. The way he used Jo Cox's murder was disgusting.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,927
    BOOM!!
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,676
    #Priti4Leader

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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985

    No Article 50 until the new PM is in place.

    Ah, is that what he said? Got distracted!
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    MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    SMukesh said:

    Great decision by Cameron. Will stay on for 3 months to steady the ship.

    Don't trust him. He has to go today.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,057
    malcolmg said:

    Charles said:

    Leavers seeking the country to unite after the decision might have thought a bit more about the aftermath while conducting their campaign.

    Include me out. Pursue your mad agenda obtained by pandering to xenophobia by yourselves. I see no reason why I should assist in such a folly.

    Because I believe you are a democrat and a patriot.

    Everyone has a duty to serve the public will - we should all do our best to seek the best outcome for the country within the framework of what the people have decided

    This morning I'm nervous, but excited.
    I respect the referendum decision.

    I see no reason at all why I should help implement a decision that I believe to be mad and to have been engineered through disgraceful tactics. Those that were hellbent on this crazy course of action can get on with it, but I shall lean against a wall watching their exertions.
    Graveyards are full of indispensible people

    I'm sure the UK will still function with or without you
    Hear Hear , the sooner the bad losers take a hike the better, pack their loot and take a hike
    Does this apply to the bad losers of the Scottish independence referendum? ;)
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,902
    Cameron, total abject failure.
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865

    Moses_ said:

    He's going to resign by the looks
    Someone else to carry this forward?

    So when he said he wouldnt resign he didn't mean it ?
    Yup by the looks
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    LowlanderLowlander Posts: 941
    Who's gonna stand down to let Ruth get a Westminster seat?
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    ChelyabinskChelyabinsk Posts: 488

    No Article 50 until the new PM is in place.

    Only right thing to do.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,997
    Probably wise of Cameron to let Article 50's timing be the decision of his successor.

    Just over a year ago, he won a staggering victory in the General Election. Hubris and Nemesis, once again.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,942
    Over to you Boris. God help us.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,137
    What a tragic way to wreck your career. He could have stood there in Downing Street, owning a Leave victory, atop the party, the Government, the nation.
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    shiney2shiney2 Posts: 672
    Good.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Sad to see Cameron resign.
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    KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,850
    How can Soubrey be elected by anyone? Horrible.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,554
    Good God, what have we done.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,347

    SMukesh said:

    Great decision by Cameron. Will stay on for 3 months to steady the ship.

    Don't trust him. He has to go today.
    Don't be silly. There has to be a caretaker to prevent absolute meltdown
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    John_N4John_N4 Posts: 553
    Into the dustbin of history!
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,711

    Kevin Schofield VERIFIED ACCOUNT
    @PolhomeEditor

    Am told a letter signed by at least 55 Labour MPs calling for Jeremy Corbyn to go will be delivered to the leader's office next week.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,100
    Kudos to Cameron doing the decent thing, Gove the sensible choice now
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    Leavers seeking the country to unite after the decision might have thought a bit more about the aftermath while conducting their campaign.

    Include me out. Pursue your mad agenda obtained by pandering to xenophobia by yourselves. I see no reason why I should assist in such a folly.

    Because I believe you are a democrat and a patriot.

    Everyone has a duty to serve the public will - we should all do our best to seek the best outcome for the country within the framework of what the people have decided

    This morning I'm nervous, but excited.
    I respect the referendum decision.

    I see no reason at all why I should help implement a decision that I believe to be mad and to have been engineered through disgraceful tactics. Those that were hellbent on this crazy course of action can get on with it, but I shall lean against a wall watching their exertions.
    Because your duty to the country should rank higher than your personal views.

    To serve is to serve. You don't get to choose.
    I don't serve bad causes.

    I look forward to watching the Farewell Symphony of posters as they one by one drop off the Brexit bandwagon when confronted with the reality of what it means.
    You're sounding like a baby throwing toys.

    Leave is the will of the people. There is not going to be another vote.

    Given that constraint it behooves us all to try to work for the best outcome for all our people. Not to sit on the sidelines hoping all goes tits up.
    The best outcome was to Remain. What did you do to help that to happen?
    I hosted events for Business for Britain and VoteLeave so you are asking the wrong person!
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,711
    Cameron gone, Corbyn looking rocky

    Interesting times.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985
    Feeling very tired and emotional right now (and not drunk)
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,472

    tyson said:

    It's a fucking disaster. Unlike you Southam, I cannot extend my wishes to Brexit. They have waved the racist card and we will reap the benefits.

    I separate Leave voters very clearly from the Leave campaign leaders. For the latter I have nothing but contempt.

    Well done on your prediction. Maximum kudos.

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    BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944

    Indigo said:

    It already up 2% from there and the market has only been open 15 minutes.
    No, it has recovered to a -3% position from a starting -8.5,

    Can all the doomsayers go f*ck off. Markets do this stuff at times like this. All over the place.
    Actually that's the BBC reporting.. It's back up by a percent... It will be down 5% by the end of the day.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,881
    Cameron virtually in tears at the end.... Totally and utterly shell shocked and destroyed.
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    JennyFreemanJennyFreeman Posts: 488
    Great call by Cameron. After grubbing around in the gutter he has crawled out and stood a little taller.

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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,760
    AndyJS said:

    Sad to see Cameron resign.

    yes, although I haven't been impressed by him of late he was always good at the big pitch and showed it again in his resignation speech
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    KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,850

    Probably wise of Cameron to let Article 50's timing be the decision of his successor.

    Just over a year ago, he won a staggering victory in the General Election. Hubris and Nemesis, once again.

    What a turnaround! Just 13 months.
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    PongPong Posts: 4,693

    Good God, what have we done.

    Indeed.
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    AS I said.. Father forgive them for they know not what they do.
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    FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,052
    Let's hope Mark Carney has the same insouciance as his predecessor. Let's have no tears over falling bank shares.

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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Cameron is good at this stuff!

    Key points (all of which I flagged sometime ago!)

    * We held a fair, legal and decisive referendum in Scotland
    * Resignation in the autumn
    * No Article 50 invocation
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,062
    RobD said:

    FTSE open down 9%

    Glad I moved all my pension AVC's out of shares a few weeks back.
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    JennyFreemanJennyFreeman Posts: 488
    edited June 2016
    Has there ever been a 24 hours quite like this in British politics?
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    I shall miss David Cameron enormously. One of the great politicians of my lifetime.

    When you look at the runners and riders to replace him, well... *shudders*
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,760

    Good God, what have we done.

    Not listened to your voters.
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    BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944
    Jonathan said:

    Cameron, total abject failure.

    I didn't think he was that good.
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    currystarcurrystar Posts: 1,171
    Cameron has been a truly great prime minister, he will be very sadly missed
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    MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792

    SMukesh said:

    Great decision by Cameron. Will stay on for 3 months to steady the ship.

    Don't trust him. He has to go today.
    Don't be silly. There has to be a caretaker to prevent absolute meltdown
    Today. Before lunch. He isn't trustworthy.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,472
    Where do I join the stop Boris movement?
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,195
    I see Travis Perkins are down a lot.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,062
    John_N4 said:

    malcolmg said:

    MaxPB said:

    kle4 said:

    So how can the Scots avoid calling a referendum (if indeed they don't want one?) Hold it tomorrow and they'd win, presumably.

    I doubt they would. The fundamentals for Scotland haven't changed.
    Tough for SNP if they don't call one
    they've got to call one now, while the whole idea of project fear is discredited, and the fear of changing the status quo has been rejected. They won't lose a referendum on economics.
    They haven't got to call one. Scotland voted to stay in Britain, and they also deprived the SNP of its majority in Holyrood last month. Why should part of Britain get to decide whether or not it stays in the EU? Should Cambridge decide too? Not all SNP voters want independence. There is no genuine mandate for another independence referendum. The SNP is so full of it that I would prefer a Lab-LibDem-Con coalition in Holyrood.
    A coalition of LOSERS and Comic Singers, that will do us a lot of good.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,760
    edited June 2016

    I shall miss David Cameron enormously. One of the great politicians of my lifetime.

    When you look at the runners and riders to replace him, well... *shudders*

    You didn't vote for him
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    LowlanderLowlander Posts: 941

    Has there ever been a 24 hours quite like this in British politics?

    Sept 19 2014 comes close but probably not quite as monumental as this.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Right - time for a next PM and CoTE thread ? (clutches Gove for CotE Ladbrokes slip...)

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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,951
    edited June 2016
    Charles said:

    Cameron is good at this stuff!

    Key points (all of which I flagged sometime ago!)

    * We held a fair, legal and decisive referendum in Scotland
    * Resignation in the autumn
    * No Article 50 invocation

    Absolutely. Kudos to the PM. He has brought much honour on himself and his office this morning, reflecting the will and needs of the British people admirably.
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,711
    Jim Pickard ‏@PickardJE 27 secs27 seconds ago

    Plot is definitely afoot against Jeremy Corbyn. Updates later.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,116
    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    Leavers seeking the country to unite after the decision might have thought a bit more about the aftermath while conducting their campaign.

    Include me out. Pursue your mad agenda obtained by pandering to xenophobia by yourselves. I see no reason why I should assist in such a folly.

    Because I believe you are a democrat and a patriot.

    Everyone has a duty to serve the public will - we should all do our best to seek the best outcome for the country within the framework of what the people have decided

    This morning I'm nervous, but excited.
    I respect the referendum decision.

    I see no reason at all why I should help implement a decision that I believe to be mad and to have been engineered through disgraceful tactics. Those that were hellbent on this crazy course of action can get on with it, but I shall lean against a wall watching their exertions.
    Because your duty to the country should rank higher than your personal views.

    To serve is to serve. You don't get to choose.
    I don't serve bad causes.

    I look forward to watching the Farewell Symphony of posters as they one by one drop off the Brexit bandwagon when confronted with the reality of what it means.
    You're sounding like a baby throwing toys.

    Leave is the will of the people. There is not going to be another vote.

    Given that constraint it behooves us all to try to work for the best outcome for all our people. Not to sit on the sidelines hoping all goes tits up.
    The best outcome was to Remain. What did you do to help that to happen?
    I hosted events for Business for Britain and VoteLeave so you are asking the wrong person!
    I know which is why I find the sanctimony a bit de trop. The Leave victory is not merely the result of the vote; it's the fruit of a campaign which has been based on lies and demagoguery. Treating this as just a means to an end is the worst place to start looking for the 'best outcome for all our people'.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Has there ever been a 24 hours quite like this in British politics?

    May 1940 when Churchill took over from Chamberlain?
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    paulyorkpaulyork Posts: 50
    FTSE 100 crashes to a level not seen in..................oh it was february.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,554

    NEW THREAD NEW THREAD

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    ChelyabinskChelyabinsk Posts: 488

    Where do I join the stop Boris movement?

    Need to have been a Conservative member for three months, I think. I got in in February.
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    geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,176
    Theresa May chickened out of taking a position. She should not be in the running.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,760

    What a tragic way to wreck your career. He could have stood there in Downing Street, owning a Leave victory, atop the party, the Government, the nation.

    Yup
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    BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944

    Good God, what have we done.

    It wasn't you, it was me... Soz...

    Don't panic, sterling recovering already. It'll be fine.

    On top of that it turns out the panicky sky finance chap was out on borrowing costs rocketing. They've fallen.

    Let's hope God is good. Inshallah.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    I like Cameron but he ran a terrible referendum campaign which relied on scaring people into voting the way he wanted.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,965
    GlaxoSmithKline PLC
    LON: GSK - Jun 24, 8:31 AM GMT+1
    1,410.50GBXPrice decrease18.50 (1.29%)

    Only share I hold outright

    Quite a good pick !
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    numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 5,491
    This doesn't sound like steadying the markets to me
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    JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807

    Good God, what have we done.

    If Corbyn had any decency he would resign also. But he won't.

    Can we have a government of national unity with sensible MPs from both sides?
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    CD13CD13 Posts: 6,351
    So next week, it will be a punishment budget from Osborne. It's what he promised and surely he's a man of his word? A master plan from Corbyn.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    One thing to note: he flagged that there wasn't going to be a reshuffle before Monday. Might he work on the basis that no reshuffle is necessary until his successor is found?

    It would conveniently leave Boris Johnson lacking any kind of ministerial experience...
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    ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,819
    Boris in the end proved himself in the campaign, so it would make sense that he becomes next prime minister, Gove as Chancellor perhaps, and I can certainly see a negotiated deal involving some sort of EFTA type option, to be approved in a general election soon after.

    Inevitable that Cameron resigned, a good speech from him, his voice broke a little towards the end.
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    BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944
    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    Leavers seeking the country to unite after the decision might have thought a bit more about the aftermath while conducting their campaign.

    Include me out. Pursue your mad agenda obtained by pandering to xenophobia by yourselves. I see no reason why I should assist in such a folly.

    Because I believe you are a democrat and a patriot.

    Everyone has a duty to serve the public will - we should all do our best to seek the best outcome for the country within the framework of what the people have decided

    This morning I'm nervous, but excited.
    I respect the referendum decision.

    I see no reason at all why I should help implement a decision that I believe to be mad and to have been engineered through disgraceful tactics. Those that were hellbent on this crazy course of action can get on with it, but I shall lean against a wall watching their exertions.
    Because your duty to the country should rank higher than your personal views.

    To serve is to serve. You don't get to choose.
    I don't serve bad causes.

    I look forward to watching the Farewell Symphony of posters as they one by one drop off the Brexit bandwagon when confronted with the reality of what it means.
    You're sounding like a baby throwing toys.

    Leave is the will of the people. There is not going to be another vote.

    Given that constraint it behooves us all to try to work for the best outcome for all our people. Not to sit on the sidelines hoping all goes tits up.
    The best outcome was to Remain. What did you do to help that to happen?
    I hosted events for Business for Britain and VoteLeave so you are asking the wrong person!
    Good man!
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Mortimer said:

    Charles said:

    Cameron is good at this stuff!

    Key points (all of which I flagged sometime ago!)

    * We held a fair, legal and decisive referendum in Scotland
    * Resignation in the autumn
    * No Article 50 invocation

    Absolutely. Kudos to the PM. He has brought much honour on himself and his office this morning, reflecting the will and needs of the British people admirably.
    If only he had conducted the campaign like that.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Is Mark Carney going to resign as well?
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited June 2016
    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    FTSE open down 9%

    Glad I moved all my pension AVC's out of shares a few weeks back.
    I cashed out of mine in April. Might be some bargains to buy back in shortly, but not today methinks.
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    AndyJS said:

    I like Cameron but he ran a terrible referendum campaign which relied on scaring people into voting the way he wanted.

    Yes, I think he blotted his copybook quite badly there. Other than that, he was a class act. I'll miss him. I won't be alone.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,347
    Corbyn got to go as well - David Cameron has just shown the Nation how to resign
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,965
    AndyJS said:

    I like Cameron but he ran a terrible referendum campaign which relied on scaring people into voting the way he wanted.

    If he'd been on that form all the way through he'd have walked it :+1:
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Will the Conservatives offer 3 pound memberships to vote for Cameron's successor?
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