Merkel is one of the big losers in this, her intransigence has put the EU in this position.
Indeed, and Germany will have to pay more into the EU as we Leave. There is a real price to pay for them.
I think this is the interesting bit. Germany nowhas it's European empire unopposed and if there's one thing I can see coming is they lack the flexibility to run it. They will drive it to destruction and then the old Europe will re-emerge.
Do you see that as a good outcome? A foreign policy success for Britain?
That depends, UK policy has always been to stop the continental hegemon.
In the EU framework it hasn't worked, people we have shed blood for like Belgium or Lux, give us no support, people we sat on the other side of a cold war for give us none either.
Maybe they just have to relearn the lessons that the continental bully will always run the place in his own interest.
Today is the first day when the NHS will get another £350m. Tomorrow too and the day after...
£100m per week isn't £350m per day...
The battle bus clearly stated the £350m figure.
We're still in the EU. Please try and remember that. The UK does not abrogate treaties unilaterally, and all our current obligations, including financial ones, still apply. Nothing has changed.
So, we will invoke Article 50 in 20xx. Fill in the xx's.
So how can the Scots avoid calling a referendum (if indeed they don't want one?) Hold it tomorrow and they'd win, presumably.
I doubt they would. The fundamentals for Scotland haven't changed.
Tough for SNP if they don't call one
they've got to call one now, while the whole idea of project fear is discredited, and the fear of changing the status quo has been rejected. They won't lose a referendum on economics.
No, but they'd have to govern a Scotland using the euro with greek levels of unemployment
Well let the boring pork-barrel politician sods in their jumped-up local council with its silly lecterns for MSPs ask for direct rule.
Leavers seeking the country to unite after the decision might have thought a bit more about the aftermath while conducting their campaign.
Include me out. Pursue your mad agenda obtained by pandering to xenophobia by yourselves. I see no reason why I should assist in such a folly.
Because I believe you are a democrat and a patriot.
Everyone has a duty to serve the public will - we should all do our best to seek the best outcome for the country within the framework of what the people have decided
This morning I'm nervous, but excited.
I respect the referendum decision.
I see no reason at all why I should help implement a decision that I believe to be mad and to have been engineered through disgraceful tactics. Those that were hellbent on this crazy course of action can get on with it, but I shall lean against a wall watching their exertions.
Because your duty to the country should rank higher than your personal views.
To serve is to serve. You don't get to choose.
I don't serve bad causes.
I look forward to watching the Farewell Symphony of posters as they one by one drop off the Brexit bandwagon when confronted with the reality of what it means.
You're not serving a "cause".
You're serving the popular will of the British people.
You're not persuading me. Sometimes people are best served by pointing out that they've made a really bad decision and letting them work that out in their own sweet time. This is a disaster that true believers will need to work out how they wish to mitigate.
This diminishes you.
I can live with myself, having not fallen enthusiastically behind a mendacious campaign that majored on pandering to xenophobia.
I couldn't live with myself if after the campaign was over I enabled those mendacious panderers to xenophobes to achieve their aims.
You are giving us all a masterclass in why Remain lost, sneering and patronising the "little people", until they had enough.
Merkel is one of the big losers in this, her intransigence has put the EU in this position.
Indeed, and Germany will have to pay more into the EU as we Leave. There is a real price to pay for them.
I think this is the interesting bit. Germany nowhas it's European empire unopposed and if there's one thing I can see coming is they lack the flexibility to run it. They will drive it to destruction and then the old Europe will re-emerge.
If only they had, oh I don't know, a strong, vibrant, independent, thoughtful country as a member, who could help them shape the EU in a positive and forward-looking way.
They had and they ignored it. We are always second in the queue behind France. Germany has yet to get beyond 1945.
Cameron now has to go, probably after party conference giving him time for a dignified exit. Gove would be the sensible choice now for PM and the best at handling the complexity of the BREXIT negotiations. Being a Scot he may also do something to ease Scottish concerns but difficult to see past Scotland voting to leave the UK now after their Remain vote last night
Leavers seeking the country to unite after the decision might have thought a bit more about the aftermath while conducting their campaign.
Include me out. Pursue your mad agenda obtained by pandering to xenophobia by yourselves. I see no reason why I should assist in such a folly.
Because I believe you are a democrat and a patriot.
Everyone has a duty to serve the public will - we should all do our best to seek the best outcome for the country within the framework of what the people have decided
This morning I'm nervous, but excited.
I respect the referendum decision.
I see no reason at all why I should help implement a decision that I believe to be mad and to have been engineered through disgraceful tactics. Those that were hellbent on this crazy course of action can get on with it, but I shall lean against a wall watching their exertions.
Because your duty to the country should rank higher than your personal views.
To serve is to serve. You don't get to choose.
I don't serve bad causes.
I look forward to watching the Farewell Symphony of posters as they one by one drop off the Brexit bandwagon when confronted with the reality of what it means.
You're not serving a "cause".
You're serving the popular will of the British people.
The people of Britain are perfectly capable of being contradictory and of changing their minds!
And your point is?
That "the popular will of the British People" is a fickle mistress.
Can't blame her. If pandering to xenophobia worked here, there must be a decent chance it would work in France too.
It's statements like that which lost you the referendum.
Most people are fed up with the pointless name calling.
Uncomfortable truths hurt.
This referendum was won by Leave by making people scared and angry about immigration.
Or by Remain failing to counter it. Doesn't matter now. But failing to understand the problem or address it will produce more of the same. At some point voters bite back if they feel their leaders fail to represent them. Your comment is unfortunately too much of the tone that produced this result and will produce much worse unless it changes. Brussels and Westminster need to wake up very fast.
If you look at a map you will see that voters in my area feel just as I do. Londoners have been kidnapped from the EU against their very clear wishes.
If the voters who are propped up by the tax transfers that voters in my area disburse to them aren't willing to engage with the views of voters in my area, voters in my area will feel a damn sight angrier with a damn sight more cause.
Get over yourself. Clearly, you think the majority should be hijacked to pander to your superior opinions Your side lost. Time for the country to get back to life, and make the best out of our future.
Look at a map. London didn't just decide on balance to remain, it was a landslide. It has a very different demos from the rest of the country. Why should it put up with the rest of the country foisting batshit mental policies on it?
This is the sort of mentality that will turn us pro-Europeans into pariahs. We nust be honest. Our side failed to make a positive case for European cooperation for years, we failed to correct the failures of the EU, and, in too many cases, we treated the people who disagreed with us with ridicule and contempt. We brought this upon ourselves.
Far better to campaign for an EEA/EFTA type deal that looks as much like the EU as possible.
Going for an EEA/EFTA type deal would be the right thing. Sadly that wold be treating the people who voted to leave with ridicule and contempt.
If leave wanted that, then they should have put it at the forefront of their campaign. Instead their campaign was based on issues directly opposed to such membership.
Today is the first day when the NHS will get another £350m. Tomorrow too and the day after...
£100m per week isn't £350m per day...
The battle bus clearly stated the £350m figure.
We're still in the EU. Please try and remember that. The UK does not abrogate treaties unilaterally, and all our current obligations, including financial ones, still apply. Nothing has changed.
So, we will invoke Article 50 in 20xx. Fill in the xx's.
The Brexiteers don't have a clue, not a single clue, about what they are going to do now. They seem to expect Cameron and the europhiles to sort it out for them.
Leavers seeking the country to unite after the decision might have thought a bit more about the aftermath while conducting their campaign.
Include me out. Pursue your mad agenda obtained by pandering to xenophobia by yourselves. I see no reason why I should assist in such a folly.
Because I believe you are a democrat and a patriot.
Everyone has a duty to serve the public will - we should all do our best to seek the best outcome for the country within the framework of what the people have decided
This morning I'm nervous, but excited.
I respect the referendum decision.
I see no reason at all why I should help implement a decision that I believe to be mad and to have been engineered through disgraceful tactics. Those that were hellbent on this crazy course of action can get on with it, but I shall lean against a wall watching their exertions.
Because your duty to the country should rank higher than your personal views.
To serve is to serve. You don't get to choose.
I don't serve bad causes.
I look forward to watching the Farewell Symphony of posters as they one by one drop off the Brexit bandwagon when confronted with the reality of what it means.
You're not serving a "cause".
You're serving the popular will of the British people.
You're not persuading me. Sometimes people are best served by pointing out that they've made a really bad decision and letting them work that out in their own sweet time. This is a disaster that true believers will need to work out how they wish to mitigate.
when it was pointed out name calling, scaremongering and belittling peoples views was a bad decision on your part you ploughed on regardless, I suppose youve got sweet time to work that out now.
It should be pointed out that there was plenty of name calling, scaremongering and belittling of peoples' views from leavers, both in the campaigns and on here.
16 million people will be disappointed this morning. Many people will be worried and scared for the future.
Of course there was JJ, this has been an unhappy contest. However Remain were first out of the blocks with a tone set by Osborne and approved by Cameron, it could only go downhill from there.
If leave wanted that, then they should have put it at the forefront of their campaign. Instead their campaign was based on issues directly opposed to such membership.
Leave wouldn't have won with that. The tens of thousands of voters that turned out for the first time, would not have turned out for an EEA/EFTA result that would look to many of them like more of the same.
Leavers seeking the country to unite after the decision might have thought a bit more about the aftermath while conducting their campaign.
Include me out. Pursue your mad agenda obtained by pandering to xenophobia by yourselves. I see no reason why I should assist in such a folly.
Because I believe you are a democrat and a patriot.
Everyone has a duty to serve the public will - we should all do our best to seek the best outcome for the country within the framework of what the people have decided
This morning I'm nervous, but excited.
I respect the referendum decision.
I see no reason at all why I should help implement a decision that I believe to be mad and to have been engineered through disgraceful tactics. Those that were hellbent on this crazy course of action can get on with it, but I shall lean against a wall watching their exertions.
Because your duty to the country should rank higher than your personal views.
To serve is to serve. You don't get to choose.
I don't serve bad causes.
I look forward to watching the Farewell Symphony of posters as they one by one drop off the Brexit bandwagon when confronted with the reality of what it means.
You're not serving a "cause".
You're serving the popular will of the British people.
The people of Britain are perfectly capable of being contradictory and of changing their minds!
And your point is?
That "the popular will of the British People" is a fickle mistress.
Buyers remorse arriving shortly.
Well, it depends on how they work to make it work. If there is a lot of flouncing the flouncers will be blamed. I suspect the flouncing will not happen.
Politicians who've been handed their P45 in the last year - Vince Cable, Ed Davey, Charles Kennedy (RIP), Nick Clegg, Danny Alexander, David Laws, Simon Hughes, Ed Miliband, Ed Balls, Jim Murphy, Douglas Alexander and now.....
Today is the first day when the NHS will get another £350m. Tomorrow too and the day after...
£100m per week isn't £350m per day...
The battle bus clearly stated the £350m figure.
We're still in the EU. Please try and remember that. The UK does not abrogate treaties unilaterally, and all our current obligations, including financial ones, still apply. Nothing has changed.
So, we will invoke Article 50 in 20xx. Fill in the xx's.
The Brexiteers don't have a clue, not a single clue, about what they are going to do now. They seem to expect Cameron and the europhiles to sort it out for them.
Leavers seeking the country to unite after the decision might have thought a bit more about the aftermath while conducting their campaign.
Include me out. Pursue your mad agenda obtained by pandering to xenophobia by yourselves. I see no reason why I should assist in such a folly.
Because I believe you are a democrat and a patriot.
Everyone has a duty to serve the public will - we should all do our best to seek the best outcome for the country within the framework of what the people have decided
This morning I'm nervous, but excited.
I respect the referendum decision.
I see no reason at all why I should help implement a decision that I believe to be mad and to have been engineered through disgraceful tactics. Those that were hellbent on this crazy course of action can get on with it, but I shall lean against a wall watching their exertions.
Because your duty to the country should rank higher than your personal views.
To serve is to serve. You don't get to choose.
I don't serve bad causes.
I look forward to watching the Farewell Symphony of posters as they one by one drop off the Brexit bandwagon when confronted with the reality of what it means.
You're sounding like a baby throwing toys.
Leave is the will of the people. There is not going to be another vote.
Given that constraint it behooves us all to try to work for the best outcome for all our people. Not to sit on the sidelines hoping all goes tits up.
Today is the first day when the NHS will get another £350m. Tomorrow too and the day after...
£100m per week isn't £350m per day...
The battle bus clearly stated the £350m figure.
We're still in the EU. Please try and remember that. The UK does not abrogate treaties unilaterally, and all our current obligations, including financial ones, still apply. Nothing has changed.
So, we will invoke Article 50 in 20xx. Fill in the xx's.
Some people argue that we should do it now. Others argue we should consider our largest partners' political sensitivities. I've read that France would be quite pleased if we deferred it until after their elections (due to Mme Le Pen). The intervening time would be taken up with more informal exploratory talks.
As I say, I don't know exactly how it breaks down. But we should be (to use a very tired analogy) be seeking an amicable divorce. That precludes us from stomping into Brussels, ripping up the treaties with a resounding "We out, bitches!".
Politicians who've been handed their P45 in the last year - Vince Cable, Ed Davey, Charles Kennedy (RIP), Nick Clegg, Danny Alexander, David Laws, Simon Hughes, Ed Miliband, Ed Balls, Jim Murphy, Douglas Alexander and now.....
Today is the first day when the NHS will get another £350m. Tomorrow too and the day after...
£100m per week isn't £350m per day...
The battle bus clearly stated the £350m figure.
We're still in the EU. Please try and remember that. The UK does not abrogate treaties unilaterally, and all our current obligations, including financial ones, still apply. Nothing has changed.
So, we will invoke Article 50 in 20xx. Fill in the xx's.
The Brexiteers don't have a clue, not a single clue, about what they are going to do now. They seem to expect Cameron and the europhiles to sort it out for them.
Indeed. Hence why we see the more middle-of-the-road Brexiters like Charles hang their hats on the vain hope of EFTA/EEA.
I wonder how Boris is feeling this morning? Happy that we've voted 'his' way and he's a step nearer No.10, and/or disappointed that we're actually going to leave? His heart wasn't exactly in it.
Leavers seeking the country to unite after the decision might have thought a bit more about the aftermath while conducting their campaign.
Include me out. Pursue your mad agenda obtained by pandering to xenophobia by yourselves. I see no reason why I should assist in such a folly.
Because I believe you are a democrat and a patriot.
Everyone has a duty to serve the public will - we should all do our best to seek the best outcome for the country within the framework of what the people have decided
This morning I'm nervous, but excited.
I respect the referendum decision.
I see no reason at all why I should help implement a decision that I believe to be mad and to have been engineered through disgraceful tactics. Those that were hellbent on this crazy course of action can get on with it, but I shall lean against a wall watching their exertions.
Because your duty to the country should rank higher than your personal views.
To serve is to serve. You don't get to choose.
I don't serve bad causes.
I look forward to watching the Farewell Symphony of posters as they one by one drop off the Brexit bandwagon when confronted with the reality of what it means.
You're sounding like a baby throwing toys.
Leave is the will of the people. There is not going to be another vote.
Given that constraint it behooves us all to try to work for the best outcome for all our people. Not to sit on the sidelines hoping all goes tits up.
The best outcome was to Remain. What did you do to help that to happen?
Can't blame her. If pandering to xenophobia worked here, there must be a decent chance it would work in France too.
It's statements like that which lost you the referendum.
Most people are fed up with the pointless name calling.
Uncomfortable truths hurt.
This referendum was won by Leave by making people scared and angry about immigration.
Or by Remain failing to counter it. Doesn't matter now. But failing to understand the problem or address it will produce more of the same. At some point voters bite back if they feel their leaders fail to represent them. Your comment is unfortunately too much of the tone that produced this result and will produce much worse unless it changes. Brussels and Westminster need to wake up very fast.
If you look at a map you will see that voters in my area feel just as I do. Londoners have been kidnapped from the EU against their very clear wishes.
If the voters who are propped up by the tax transfers that voters in my area disburse to them aren't willing to engage with the views of voters in my area, voters in my area will feel a damn sight angrier with a damn sight more cause.
Get over yourself. Clearly, you think the majority should be hijacked to pander to your superior opinions Your side lost. Time for the country to get back to life, and make the best out of our future.
Look at a map. London didn't just decide on balance to remain, it was a landslide. It has a very different demos from the rest of the country. Why should it put up with the rest of the country foisting batshit mental policies on it?
This is the sort of mentality that will turn us pro-Europeans into pariahs. We nust be honest. Our side failed to make a positive case for European cooperation for years, we failed to correct the failures of the EU, and, in too many cases, we treated the people who disagreed with us with ridicule and contempt. We brought this upon ourselves.
Good for you, Starfall. I hope we can all the soul-searching needed in the coming days to understand, build on and move on from this result constructively.
Probably waiting to get his speech from the US Embassy, or from the Corporation of the City of London maybe? I wish he'd hurry up. It's likely that he will announce his resignation.
It's unlikely that any journalist will have the guts to ask him what he thinks about the queen intervening for Leave on Wednesday.
Leavers seeking the country to unite after the decision might have thought a bit more about the aftermath while conducting their campaign.
Include me out. Pursue your mad agenda obtained by pandering to xenophobia by yourselves. I see no reason why I should assist in such a folly.
Because I believe you are a democrat and a patriot.
Everyone has a duty to serve the public will - we should all do our best to seek the best outcome for the country within the framework of what the people have decided
This morning I'm nervous, but excited.
I respect the referendum decision.
I see no reason at all why I should help implement a decision that I believe to be mad and to have been engineered through disgraceful tactics. Those that were hellbent on this crazy course of action can get on with it, but I shall lean against a wall watching their exertions.
Because your duty to the country should rank higher than your personal views.
To serve is to serve. You don't get to choose.
I don't serve bad causes.
I look forward to watching the Farewell Symphony of posters as they one by one drop off the Brexit bandwagon when confronted with the reality of what it means.
You're not serving a "cause".
You're serving the popular will of the British people.
You're not persuading me. Sometimes people are best served by pointing out that they've made a really bad decision and letting them work that out in their own sweet time. This is a disaster that true believers will need to work out how they wish to mitigate.
This diminishes you.
I can live with myself, having not fallen enthusiastically behind a mendacious campaign that majored on pandering to xenophobia.
I couldn't live with myself if after the campaign was over I enabled those mendacious panderers to xenophobes to achieve their aims.
Leavers seeking the country to unite after the decision might have thought a bit more about the aftermath while conducting their campaign.
Include me out. Pursue your mad agenda obtained by pandering to xenophobia by yourselves. I see no reason why I should assist in such a folly.
Because I believe you are a democrat and a patriot.
Everyone has a duty to serve the public will - we should all do our best to seek the best outcome for the country within the framework of what the people have decided
This morning I'm nervous, but excited.
I respect the referendum decision.
I see no reason at all why I should help implement a decision that I believe to be mad and to have been engineered through disgraceful tactics. Those that were hellbent on this crazy course of action can get on with it, but I shall lean against a wall watching their exertions.
Because your duty to the country should rank higher than your personal views.
To serve is to serve. You don't get to choose.
I don't serve bad causes.
I look forward to watching the Farewell Symphony of posters as they one by one drop off the Brexit bandwagon when confronted with the reality of what it means.
You're not serving a "cause".
You're serving the popular will of the British people.
The people of Britain are perfectly capable of being contradictory and of changing their minds!
And your point is?
That "the popular will of the British People" is a fickle mistress.
Buyers remorse arriving shortly.
Well, it depends on how they work to make it work. If there is a lot of flouncing the flouncers will be blamed. I suspect the flouncing will not happen.
I say that, where the **** is Cameron?
As a Remainer I would want an EFTA/EEA deal vs Completely Out deal put to the people in a Referendum in a year or two.
That would be the only way to make it acceptable to those focussed on immigration.
Merkel is one of the big losers in this, her intransigence has put the EU in this position.
Indeed, and Germany will have to pay more into the EU as we Leave. There is a real price to pay for them.
I think this is the interesting bit. Germany nowhas it's European empire unopposed and if there's one thing I can see coming is they lack the flexibility to run it. They will drive it to destruction and then the old Europe will re-emerge.
If only they had, oh I don't know, a strong, vibrant, independent, thoughtful country as a member, who could help them shape the EU in a positive and forward-looking way.
It's been tried. It failed. No one was listening.
And yet poor old Germany can't hold together the rickety edifice of the EU that was supposed to have been ruling our lives.
If leave wanted that, then they should have put it at the forefront of their campaign. Instead their campaign was based on issues directly opposed to such membership.
Leave wouldn't have won with that. The tens of thousands of voters that turned out for the first time, would not have turned out for an EEA/EFTA result that would look to many of them like more of the same.
Indeed. And the fact they wouldn't have voted for that means that it isn't an option now.
Merkel is one of the big losers in this, her intransigence has put the EU in this position.
Indeed, and Germany will have to pay more into the EU as we Leave. There is a real price to pay for them.
I think this is the interesting bit. Germany nowhas it's European empire unopposed and if there's one thing I can see coming is they lack the flexibility to run it. They will drive it to destruction and then the old Europe will re-emerge.
If only they had, oh I don't know, a strong, vibrant, independent, thoughtful country as a member, who could help them shape the EU in a positive and forward-looking way.
It's been tried. It failed. No one was listening.
And yet poor old Germany can't hold together the rickety edifice of the EU that was supposed to have been ruling our lives.
Have I got that right?
of course.
but in two wars it was clear germany couldnt win after the first 18 months it took several years and the rest of the world to convince them they had. Same again, they'll drag us all down with them
Absolute carnage on the markets already. What have you done?
The markets positioned themselves for REMAIN.
They now have to unwind their long positions in the worst circumstances, selling at any price they can get. Good time to buy UK shares and sterling.
Many FTSE companies have little UK business eg oil, and commodities. Also exporters will benefit from lower sterling. But do your own research, don't take my advice.
Today is the first day when the NHS will get another £350m. Tomorrow too and the day after...
£100m per week isn't £350m per day...
The battle bus clearly stated the £350m figure.
Yes, it said £350m would be saved, our gross payment to the EU, it didn't say all of that would be spent on the NHS, the most any Leaver said was £100m per week.
On a funny note: this election has seen a family member's 100% record of voting for the losing side has continued. In no election he has voted in, in fifty years, has he voted for the winning side, candidate or party.
And he is a regular voter for mainstream parties. Such is the peril of the swing voter who swings the wrong way.
I have suggested that he 'sells' his vote at the elections: people pay him to vote for the opposition.
All the people proclaiming Cameron's incredible genius definitely one of the top all time prime ministers seem strangely absent today.
Will they now accept he was a lucky general who faced two of the worst ever labour leaders and a libdem party hell bent on suicide? He confused his good fortune with some kind of brilliant political skill and has screwed himself and the country.
Won't Scott'n'Paste be on soon to link to how twitter thinks Cam is exceptional?
conspicuous by his absence, recalled to CCHQ for punishment exercise.
If leave wanted that, then they should have put it at the forefront of their campaign. Instead their campaign was based on issues directly opposed to such membership.
Leave wouldn't have won with that. The tens of thousands of voters that turned out for the first time, would not have turned out for an EEA/EFTA result that would look to many of them like more of the same.
Indeed. And the fact they wouldn't have voted for that means that it isn't an option now.
Doesn't matter, the question on the referendum ballot was whether to leave the EU. A large chunk of Leave voters will want free movement to confine.
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In the EU framework it hasn't worked, people we have shed blood for like Belgium or Lux, give us no support, people we sat on the other side of a cold war for give us none either.
Maybe they just have to relearn the lessons that the continental bully will always run the place in his own interest.
I'm with you.
V. agitated.
Buyers remorse arriving shortly.
If leave wanted that, then they should have put it at the forefront of their campaign. Instead their campaign was based on issues directly opposed to such membership.
Not a typo!
40%. FORTY PER CENT
I say that, where the **** is Cameron?
David Cameron and George Osborne?
http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/a_framework_for_taking_back_control_and_establishing_a_new_uk_eu_deal_after_23_june
@MehreenKhn
Carnage for bank stocks. Barclays down 30%, RBS down 35%
414 days ago David Cameron became the first Tory leader to win a majority in 23 years. In 6 minutes time I understand he is resigning.
Leave is the will of the people. There is not going to be another vote.
Given that constraint it behooves us all to try to work for the best outcome for all our people. Not to sit on the sidelines hoping all goes tits up.
As I say, I don't know exactly how it breaks down. But we should be (to use a very tired analogy) be seeking an amicable divorce. That precludes us from stomping into Brussels, ripping up the treaties with a resounding "We out, bitches!".
I wonder how Boris is feeling this morning? Happy that we've voted 'his' way and he's a step nearer No.10, and/or disappointed that we're actually going to leave? His heart wasn't exactly in it.
Oh, and as for who takes over: anyone but Boris.
The 9% today is the start.
Don't imagine their happy about it
I did hear earlier that government borrowing costs were going to rise leading to a punishment budget.
So basically b*llocks.
It's unlikely that any journalist will have the guts to ask him what he thinks about the queen intervening for Leave on Wednesday.
That would be the only way to make it acceptable to those focussed on immigration.
If Cameron had put some effort into EU reform he would be seen as a successful leader this morning
Have I got that right?
https://vimeo.com/85914510
I blame the pollsters.
If they'd been clearly signalling a Leave result, the markets woukd have drifted to this point over several weeks...
but in two wars it was clear germany couldnt win after the first 18 months it took several years and the rest of the world to convince them they had. Same again, they'll drag us all down with them
They now have to unwind their long positions in the worst circumstances, selling at any price they can get. Good time to buy UK shares and sterling.
Many FTSE companies have little UK business eg oil, and commodities. Also exporters will benefit from lower sterling. But do your own research, don't take my advice.
31-07-2016 22:00
Cameron Leader Exit Date
June @ 5/6
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/06/07/alastair-meeks-on-how-conservative-leavers-could-gift-labour-the-next-election/
Well at least one remainer that believes in democracy
And he is a regular voter for mainstream parties. Such is the peril of the swing voter who swings the wrong way.
I have suggested that he 'sells' his vote at the elections: people pay him to vote for the opposition.
Someone else to carry this forward?
Can all the doomsayers go f*ck off. Markets do this stuff at times like this. All over the place.