An effective campaigner. A consumate, perhaps brilliant campaigner.
But an utter, utter cock.
it was Osborne who lost the campaign
cock squared
Yeah, he surely has to go? Especially after the punishment budget.
I thought that was very clever politics but his bluff has been called and he now has to go.
Why do you think it was a bluff? We now have nowhere to hide from the legacy of the Brown years. I disagreed with him on many of the details but Osborne was doing a pretty decent job of managing a soft landing. That is no longer viable. We will learn the meaning of austerity.
So the PB Leaver intelligentsia are presumably delighted that they have cocked a snook at EU Directive 465/SK/496 (i)/12 (Kettles), and can forge a new relationship based on free trade as part of the EU single market which will include free movement of people.
The vast majority of those who voted Leave, meanwhile, want no free movement of people.
Can't blame her. If pandering to xenophobia worked here, there must be a decent chance it would work in France too.
It's statements like that which lost you the referendum.
Most people are fed up with the pointless name calling.
Uncomfortable truths hurt.
This referendum was won by Leave by making people scared and angry about immigration.
Or by Remain failing to counter it. Doesn't matter now. But failing to understand the problem or address it will produce more of the same. At some point voters bite back if they feel their leaders fail to represent them. Your comment is unfortunately too much of the tone that produced this result and will produce much worse unless it changes. Brussels and Westminster need to wake up very fast.
If you look at a map you will see that voters in my area feel just as I do. Londoners have been kidnapped from the EU against their very clear wishes.
If the voters who are propped up by the tax transfers that voters in my area disburse to them aren't willing to engage with the views of voters in my area, voters in my area will feel a damn sight angrier with a damn sight more cause.
Get over yourself. Clearly, you think the majority should be hijacked to pander to your superior opinions Your side lost. Time for the country to get back to life, and make the best out of our future.
Look at a map. London didn't just decide on balance to remain, it was a landslide. It has a very different demos from the rest of the country. Why should it put up with the rest of the country foisting batshit mental policies on it?
It's good to hear that the Pound is regaining against the Dollar as well. Hopefully the economic apocalypse predicted by the Remain camp won't come to fruition.
For certain when it hits a certain level other greedy B******ds will pile in and bring it back up.
I'm loving the way that the worst fall in sterling ever against the dollar is being shrugged off on the site as a technical correction.
It's risen since. It will continue to do so.
Market traders are crack addicts with a bad gambling habit. I've been watching them for years.
At the risk of stating the bleedin' obvious, then you will know that the kind of market traders you describe are very rare today. A typical market trader is someone managing the risk of your pension while the screens are turning red around him.
With regret, no matter how sober of mind they perceive themselves to be, the behave in the manner I describe.
Farron has known how the wind was blowing for some time. He has been getting hammered by his constituents on the streets with W&L, who have been more than happy to approach him to argue about the subject, and whilst there have have been a few 'In' signs posted within the constituency, the absence of these in most of the usual LibDem sites has been very telling.
There will have to be a big policy rethink for the LD’s. Europhilia has been a major plank for a long while. Maybe they should take a look at the policies of the residual Liberal Party.
No sign of that from Mr Farron this morning.
Why? It's a policy 48% of the population support. Plenty of votes in being the pro-Europe party.
Post-Brexit campaigning to rejoin the EU means explicitly that the UK must adopt the euro. That will get far less than 48% of the vote.
That's a non-starter. France will never again let us join, unless we suffer an abject national humiliation in the interim.
Can't blame her. If pandering to xenophobia worked here, there must be a decent chance it would work in France too.
You can't help yourself, can you?
It's true though.
A terrible night for the UK. Singlehandedly, we have marginalised ourselves and sent an economic shock through our economy that will impact as usual on the poorest and our public services.
Populism and nationalism clearly works- tried and tested, as we know. By playing the race card, Brexit will unleash on the UK a negative and dark force that will be impossible to contain, particularly as the UK will struggle as a poorer country. Migrants will be scapegoated even further. And let's face it, this was never about European migrants. This was about Islamaphobia and racism.
So, enjoy your victory Brexiters.
People across this country live shitty lives - low wages, job insecurity, huge cuts in public services. The financial crash, the slow recovery and austerity have continuously smacked them round the face. They're not racists or xenophobes; they're ignored, scorned and vilified - by both the Remain and Leave elites. But Remain was defending the status quo and that included uncontrolled immigration from the EU. We're not going to get anywhere by throwing names around, however good it may make us feel. We need to understand more and to act. Leaving the EU, of course, will solve nothing. That will take political will in Westminster.
I may let slip from time to time that my final forecast on Wednesday got the result right to the nearest 0.1%. As a modest chap this will not happen more than once an hour.
Last night was amazing although not quite as exciting for as May 2015. It is with some sadness that I think that Osborne may well have to resign today. I suspect that Cameron will do the same in half an hour although I expect him to stay on until a new leader is chosen. It is a heavy price to pay for a necessary step.
Osborne being turfed out is a net positive IMO. Rubbish at his job and has overseen a huge importation boom while domestic industries are stagnant.
A change at the Treasury (Gove?) and a devaluation of Sterling will be undoubtedly good for British manufacturers and exporters.
Leavers seeking the country to unite after the decision might have thought a bit more about the aftermath while conducting their campaign.
Include me out. Pursue your mad agenda obtained by pandering to xenophobia by yourselves. I see no reason why I should assist in such a folly.
Because I believe you are a democrat and a patriot.
Everyone has a duty to serve the public will - we should all do our best to seek the best outcome for the country within the framework of what the people have decided
This morning I'm nervous, but excited.
I respect the referendum decision.
I see no reason at all why I should help implement a decision that I believe to be mad and to have been engineered through disgraceful tactics. Those that were hellbent on this crazy course of action can get on with it, but I shall lean against a wall watching their exertions.
Because your duty to the country should rank higher than your personal views.
All the people proclaiming Cameron's incredible genius definitely one of the top all time prime ministers seem strangely absent today.
Will they now accept he was a lucky general who faced two of the worst ever labour leaders and a libdem party hell bent on suicide? He confused his good fortune with some kind of brilliant political skill and has screwed himself and the country.
Won't Scott'n'Paste be on soon to link to how twitter thinks Cam is exceptional?
I was a soft Leaver (i.e. thought we'd probably be BOO, but it wasn't my lifelong crusade, bigger fish to fry etc), so I am astonished that Cameron's political antennae seemed to completely pack up after GE 2015.
The deal wasn't great, but it wasn't terrible either. However, he then completely oversold it and got his tone completely wrong during the campaign itself. I think his personal animus towards Boris and Farage must have affected his clarity of thought. Sad way to end.
Can't blame her. If pandering to xenophobia worked here, there must be a decent chance it would work in France too.
You can't help yourself, can you?
It's true though.
A terrible night for the UK. Singlehandedly, we have marginalised ourselves and sent an economic shock through our economy that will impact as usual on the poorest and our public services.
Populism and nationalism clearly works- tried and tested, as we know. By playing the race card, Brexit will unleash on the UK a negative and dark force that will be impossible to contain, particularly as the UK will struggle as a poorer country. Migrants will be scapegoated even further. And let's face it, this was never about European migrants. This was about Islamaphobia and racism.
So, enjoy your victory Brexiters.
People across this country live shitty lives - low wages, job insecurity, huge cuts in public services. The financial crash, the slow recovery and austerity have continuously smacked them round the face. They're not racists or xenophobes; they're ignored, scorned and vilified - by both the Remain and Leave elites. But Remain was defending the status quo and that included uncontrolled immigration from the EU. We're not going to get anywhere by throwing names around, however good it may make us feel. We need to understand more and to act. Leaving the EU, of course, will solve nothing. That will take political will in Westminster.
Southam you continue to astound with your fair mindedness and level headedness. If others achieve half your level of acceptance of the results and what it truly says about the state of our social contract we will all benefit.
Amusing to think that this all began with Osborne's Omni-shambles budget in 2012 and the pasty tax. This caused the surge to UKIP that Cameron had to deflect with the referendum promise at the GE.
Leavers seeking the country to unite after the decision might have thought a bit more about the aftermath while conducting their campaign.
Include me out. Pursue your mad agenda obtained by pandering to xenophobia by yourselves. I see no reason why I should assist in such a folly.
Because I believe you are a democrat and a patriot.
Everyone has a duty to serve the public will - we should all do our best to seek the best outcome for the country within the framework of what the people have decided
This morning I'm nervous, but excited.
I respect the referendum decision.
I see no reason at all why I should help implement a decision that I believe to be mad and to have been engineered through disgraceful tactics. Those that were hellbent on this crazy course of action can get on with it, but I shall lean against a wall watching their exertions.
Because your duty to the country should rank higher than your personal views.
To serve is to serve. You don't get to choose.
That's why the royals used to ensure sufficient interbreeding across Europe. One the lower orders of the aristocracy succumb to nationalism bad things happen.
Farron has known how the wind was blowing for some time. He has been getting hammered by his constituents on the streets with W&L, who have been more than happy to approach him to argue about the subject, and whilst there have have been a few 'In' signs posted within the constituency, the absence of these in most of the usual LibDem sites has been very telling.
There will have to be a big policy rethink for the LD’s. Europhilia has been a major plank for a long while. Maybe they should take a look at the policies of the residual Liberal Party.
No sign of that from Mr Farron this morning.
Why? It's a policy 48% of the population support. Plenty of votes in being the pro-Europe party.
Post-Brexit campaigning to rejoin the EU means explicitly that the UK must adopt the euro. That will get far less than 48% of the vote.
That's a non-starter. France will never again let us join, unless we suffer an abject national humiliation in the interim.
There's that too. Plus the fact people were sick of this referendum pretty quickly so calling for another one would hardly be appetising.
I cant see a major politician or party running on a "Rejoin EU" ticket. The Lib Dems in particular are missing a trick if they don't take the opportunity for a policy platform refresh.
Farron has known how the wind was blowing for some time. He has been getting hammered by his constituents on the streets with W&L, who have been more than happy to approach him to argue about the subject, and whilst there have have been a few 'In' signs posted within the constituency, the absence of these in most of the usual LibDem sites has been very telling.
There will have to be a big policy rethink for the LD’s. Europhilia has been a major plank for a long while. Maybe they should take a look at the policies of the residual Liberal Party.
No sign of that from Mr Farron this morning.
Why? It's a policy 48% of the population support. Plenty of votes in being the pro-Europe party.
Post-Brexit campaigning to rejoin the EU means explicitly that the UK must adopt the euro. That will get far less than 48% of the vote.
That's a non-starter. France will never again let us join, unless we suffer an abject national humiliation in the interim.
I think it's France that will now be suffering the abject humiliation, theyre now Germany's bitch and they know it.
Corbyn doesn't seem too bothered by the result. Just wittering on in his usual affable way. Most of the BBC presenters seem more upset than he is.
That's because he should see this as a great opportunity to be the next (but one) Prime Minister. By being lukewarm in the Referendum he distanced himself from either result. Now we have one that is expected by most to hit people financially before the next election. (You can argue the alternative but it isn't how I see it developing). Who will people blame for their pension and saving losses, answer the Conservatives. So it doesn't matter that certain people think he's rubbish, he'll be looked on as being less rubbish than the 'last lot' in four years time.
I'm loving the way that the worst fall in sterling ever against the dollar is being shrugged off on the site as a technical correction.
It's risen since. It will continue to do so.
Market traders are crack addicts with a bad gambling habit. I've been watching them for years.
At the risk of stating the bleedin' obvious, then you will know that the kind of market traders you describe are very rare today. A typical market trader is someone managing the risk of your pension while the screens are turning red around him.
With regret, no matter how sober of mind they perceive themselves to be, the behave in the manner I describe.
Nope, it's a comfortable stereotype but it ain't so. But I see we each have our views which we will have to stick with.
Leavers seeking the country to unite after the decision might have thought a bit more about the aftermath while conducting their campaign.
Include me out. Pursue your mad agenda obtained by pandering to xenophobia by yourselves. I see no reason why I should assist in such a folly.
Because I believe you are a democrat and a patriot.
Everyone has a duty to serve the public will - we should all do our best to seek the best outcome for the country within the framework of what the people have decided
This morning I'm nervous, but excited.
I respect the referendum decision.
I see no reason at all why I should help implement a decision that I believe to be mad and to have been engineered through disgraceful tactics. Those that were hellbent on this crazy course of action can get on with it, but I shall lean against a wall watching their exertions.
Because your duty to the country should rank higher than your personal views.
To serve is to serve. You don't get to choose.
I don't serve bad causes.
I look forward to watching the Farewell Symphony of posters as they one by one drop off the Brexit bandwagon when confronted with the reality of what it means.
Farron has known how the wind was blowing for some time. He has been getting hammered by his constituents on the streets with W&L, who have been more than happy to approach him to argue about the subject, and whilst there have have been a few 'In' signs posted within the constituency, the absence of these in most of the usual LibDem sites has been very telling.
There will have to be a big policy rethink for the LD’s. Europhilia has been a major plank for a long while. Maybe they should take a look at the policies of the residual Liberal Party.
No sign of that from Mr Farron this morning.
Why? It's a policy 48% of the population support. Plenty of votes in being the pro-Europe party.
Post-Brexit campaigning to rejoin the EU means explicitly that the UK must adopt the euro. That will get far less than 48% of the vote.
Moreover while we are out, the EU will either be centralising or falling apart (or both!), neither of which makes rejoining more attractive.
Depends on the extent to which our economy becomes a basket cases. We may see buyers' remorse very quickly:
Father forgive them, for they know not what they do.
Come on. If this referendum says one thing (there are many) it's that the metropolitan elites should stop being so detached and sneering towards 'ordinary' people. The people have spoken. It's over. Now to fashion our future.
It's not the metropolitan elites. It's the metropolis. The whole of inner London favoured Remain by 2:1 or more.
If the part of the country that keeps the rest of the country afloat financially is going to be sabotaged by the country mice, there is going to have to be a new settlement giving London more autonomy and more control over its own finances.
It is worth turmoil just for those smug to****s getting their comeuppance, the fact you still come out with this puerile urine is testament to that.
So the PB Leaver intelligentsia are presumably delighted that they have cocked a snook at EU Directive 465/SK/496 (i)/12 (Kettles), and can forge a new relationship based on free trade as part of the EU single market which will include free movement of people.
The vast majority of those who voted Leave, meanwhile, want no free movement of people.
Leavers seeking the country to unite after the decision might have thought a bit more about the aftermath while conducting their campaign.
Include me out. Pursue your mad agenda obtained by pandering to xenophobia by yourselves. I see no reason why I should assist in such a folly.
Because I believe you are a democrat and a patriot.
Everyone has a duty to serve the public will - we should all do our best to seek the best outcome for the country within the framework of what the people have decided
This morning I'm nervous, but excited.
I respect the referendum decision.
I see no reason at all why I should help implement a decision that I believe to be mad and to have been engineered through disgraceful tactics. Those that were hellbent on this crazy course of action can get on with it, but I shall lean against a wall watching their exertions.
Because your duty to the country should rank higher than your personal views.
To serve is to serve. You don't get to choose.
I don't serve bad causes.
I look forward to watching the Farewell Symphony of posters as they one by one drop off the Brexit bandwagon when confronted with the reality of what it means.
You're not serving a "cause".
You're serving the popular will of the British people.
Can't blame her. If pandering to xenophobia worked here, there must be a decent chance it would work in France too.
You can't help yourself, can you?
It's true though.
A terrible night for the UK. Singlehandedly, we have marginalised ourselves and sent an economic shock through our economy that will impact as usual on the poorest and our public services.
Populism and nationalism clearly works- tried and tested, as we know. By playing the race card, Brexit will unleash on the UK a negative and dark force that will be impossible to contain, particularly as the UK will struggle as a poorer country. Migrants will be scapegoated even further. And let's face it, this was never about European migrants. This was about Islamaphobia and racism.
So, enjoy your victory Brexiters.
People across this country live shitty lives - low wages, job insecurity, huge cuts in public services. The financial crash, the slow recovery and austerity have continuously smacked them round the face. They're not racists or xenophobes; they're ignored, scorned and vilified - by both the Remain and Leave elites. But Remain was defending the status quo and that included uncontrolled immigration from the EU. We're not going to get anywhere by throwing names around, however good it may make us feel. We need to understand more and to act. Leaving the EU, of course, will solve nothing. That will take political will in Westminster.
Southam you continue to astound with your fair mindedness and level headedness. If others achieve half your level of acceptance of the results and what it truly says about the state of our social contract we will all benefit.
He makes the point, well in my view, that the people don't all live in large villas or swanky properties, and have real concerns that need addressing. Calling the electorate names isn't the most constructive way of so doing.
Leavers seeking the country to unite after the decision might have thought a bit more about the aftermath while conducting their campaign.
Include me out. Pursue your mad agenda obtained by pandering to xenophobia by yourselves. I see no reason why I should assist in such a folly.
Because I believe you are a democrat and a patriot.
Everyone has a duty to serve the public will - we should all do our best to seek the best outcome for the country within the framework of what the people have decided
This morning I'm nervous, but excited.
I respect the referendum decision.
I see no reason at all why I should help implement a decision that I believe to be mad and to have been engineered through disgraceful tactics. Those that were hellbent on this crazy course of action can get on with it, but I shall lean against a wall watching their exertions.
Graveyards are full of indispensible people
I'm sure the UK will still function with or without you
Farron has known how the wind was blowing for some time. He has been getting hammered by his constituents on the streets with W&L, who have been more than happy to approach him to argue about the subject, and whilst there have have been a few 'In' signs posted within the constituency, the absence of these in most of the usual LibDem sites has been very telling.
There will have to be a big policy rethink for the LD’s. Europhilia has been a major plank for a long while. Maybe they should take a look at the policies of the residual Liberal Party.
No sign of that from Mr Farron this morning.
Why? It's a policy 48% of the population support. Plenty of votes in being the pro-Europe party.
Post-Brexit campaigning to rejoin the EU means explicitly that the UK must adopt the euro. That will get far less than 48% of the vote.
That's a non-starter. France will never again let us join, unless we suffer an abject national humiliation in the interim.
France may be having their own referendum on EU membership.
So the PB Leaver intelligentsia are presumably delighted that they have cocked a snook at EU Directive 465/SK/496 (i)/12 (Kettles), and can forge a new relationship based on free trade as part of the EU single market which will include free movement of people.
The vast majority of those who voted Leave, meanwhile, want no free movement of people.
Farron has known how the wind was blowing for some time. He has been getting hammered by his constituents on the streets with W&L, who have been more than happy to approach him to argue about the subject, and whilst there have have been a few 'In' signs posted within the constituency, the absence of these in most of the usual LibDem sites has been very telling.
There will have to be a big policy rethink for the LD’s. Europhilia has been a major plank for a long while. Maybe they should take a look at the policies of the residual Liberal Party.
No sign of that from Mr Farron this morning.
Why? It's a policy 48% of the population support. Plenty of votes in being the pro-Europe party.
Post-Brexit campaigning to rejoin the EU means explicitly that the UK must adopt the euro. That will get far less than 48% of the vote.
That's a non-starter. France will never again let us join, unless we suffer an abject national humiliation in the interim.
I think it's France that will now be suffering the abject humiliation, theyre now Germany's bitch and they know it.
They're not ready to roll over yet... They have the nukes, the Security Council seat, the historic legitimacy as a nation state.
Leavers seeking the country to unite after the decision might have thought a bit more about the aftermath while conducting their campaign.
Include me out. Pursue your mad agenda obtained by pandering to xenophobia by yourselves. I see no reason why I should assist in such a folly.
Because I believe you are a democrat and a patriot.
Everyone has a duty to serve the public will - we should all do our best to seek the best outcome for the country within the framework of what the people have decided
This morning I'm nervous, but excited.
I respect the referendum decision.
I see no reason at all why I should help implement a decision that I believe to be mad and to have been engineered through disgraceful tactics. Those that were hellbent on this crazy course of action can get on with it, but I shall lean against a wall watching their exertions.
Because your duty to the country should rank higher than your personal views.
To serve is to serve. You don't get to choose.
I don't serve bad causes.
I look forward to watching the Farewell Symphony of posters as they one by one drop off the Brexit bandwagon when confronted with the reality of what it means.
You're not serving a "cause".
You're serving the popular will of the British people.
You're not persuading me. Sometimes people are best served by pointing out that they've made a really bad decision and letting them work that out in their own sweet time. This is a disaster that true believers will need to work out how they wish to mitigate.
Alastair – the Scots have the option to go independent in Europe, and would be mad not to take it.
I'm not sure what options we have here. Sadiq should call for greater powers and maintenance of free movement from London to the EU. Dunno. It's a fucked up situation on a sad, sad, sad day.
Can't blame her. If pandering to xenophobia worked here, there must be a decent chance it would work in France too.
It's statements like that which lost you the referendum.
Most people are fed up with the pointless name calling.
Uncomfortable truths hurt.
This referendum was won by Leave by making people scared and angry about immigration.
Or by Remain failing to counter it. Doesn't matter now. But failing to understand the problem or address it will produce more of the same. At some point voters bite back if they feel their leaders fail to represent them. Your comment is unfortunately too much of the tone that produced this result and will produce much worse unless it changes. Brussels and Westminster need to wake up very fast.
If you look at a map you will see that voters in my area feel just as I do. Londoners have been kidnapped from the EU against their very clear wishes.
If the voters who are propped up by the tax transfers that voters in my area disburse to them aren't willing to engage with the views of voters in my area, voters in my area will feel a damn sight angrier with a damn sight more cause.
Get over yourself. Clearly, you think the majority should be hijacked to pander to your superior opinions Your side lost. Time for the country to get back to life, and make the best out of our future.
Look at a map. London didn't just decide on balance to remain, it was a landslide. It has a very different demos from the rest of the country. Why should it put up with the rest of the country foisting batshit mental policies on it?
This is the sort of mentality that will turn us pro-Europeans into pariahs. We nust be honest. Our side failed to make a positive case for European cooperation for years, we failed to correct the failures of the EU, and, in too many cases, we treated the people who disagreed with us with ridicule and contempt. We brought this upon ourselves.
What is Corbyn's point about Article 50 being invoked now? Surely it is better to wait for a month or so (at least) until the dust settles? The man is incomprehensible.
So how can the Scots avoid calling a referendum (if indeed they don't want one?) Hold it tomorrow and they'd win, presumably.
I doubt they would. The fundamentals for Scotland haven't changed.
How have they not? People will vote for some level of economic turmoil, if they think it is acceptable. They might now have changed their minds on how much they are willing to accept.
Oil prices are still low, Barnett still shovels billions into Scotland which makes free university and free prescriptions possible and Scotland has been in a union for 300 years with the UK not 40, the ties are much deeper. The unionist argument carries a positive message, the EU argument was "in is less shit than out". Even the name of the In campaign was slightly patronising, "stronger in" sends a message that these people believe the UK to be a weak country without the EU.
Personally I'm in favour of Scottish independence, I think they deserve home rule and I'd like for them to achieve that goal. I just don't think being in or out of the EU makes a difference, especially given that Scotland would have been out if they voted for independence in 2014.
The basic questions over currency and schengen haven't been answered either. Without the UK in the EU, there is no precedent for a full opt out of the Denmark are still in ERM II and Sweden, on a theoretical basis, have to join at some point.
You continue to show your ignorance of Scotland. Barnett gives no such thing , flow is all one way and it ain't north for sure.
Merkel is one of the big losers in this, her intransigence has put the EU in this position.
Indeed, and Germany will have to pay more into the EU as we Leave. There is a real price to pay for them.
I think this is the interesting bit. Germany nowhas it's European empire unopposed and if there's one thing I can see coming is they lack the flexibility to run it. They will drive it to destruction and then the old Europe will re-emerge.
So how can the Scots avoid calling a referendum (if indeed they don't want one?) Hold it tomorrow and they'd win, presumably.
I doubt they would. The fundamentals for Scotland haven't changed.
Tough for SNP if they don't call one
they've got to call one now, while the whole idea of project fear is discredited, and the fear of changing the status quo has been rejected. They won't lose a referendum on economics.
Merkel is one of the big losers in this, her intransigence has put the EU in this position.
Indeed, and Germany will have to pay more into the EU as we Leave. There is a real price to pay for them.
I think this is the interesting bit. Germany nowhas it's European empire unopposed and if there's one thing I can see coming is they lack the flexibility to run it. They will drive it to destruction and then the old Europe will re-emerge.
Do you see that as a good outcome? A foreign policy success for Britain?
Leavers seeking the country to unite after the decision might have thought a bit more about the aftermath while conducting their campaign.
Include me out. Pursue your mad agenda obtained by pandering to xenophobia by yourselves. I see no reason why I should assist in such a folly.
Because I believe you are a democrat and a patriot.
Everyone has a duty to serve the public will - we should all do our best to seek the best outcome for the country within the framework of what the people have decided
This morning I'm nervous, but excited.
I respect the referendum decision.
I see no reason at all why I should help implement a decision that I believe to be mad and to have been engineered through disgraceful tactics. Those that were hellbent on this crazy course of action can get on with it, but I shall lean against a wall watching their exertions.
Because your duty to the country should rank higher than your personal views.
To serve is to serve. You don't get to choose.
I don't serve bad causes.
I look forward to watching the Farewell Symphony of posters as they one by one drop off the Brexit bandwagon when confronted with the reality of what it means.
You're not serving a "cause".
You're serving the popular will of the British people.
The people of Britain are perfectly capable of being contradictory and of changing their minds!
Leavers seeking the country to unite after the decision might have thought a bit more about the aftermath while conducting their campaign.
Include me out. Pursue your mad agenda obtained by pandering to xenophobia by yourselves. I see no reason why I should assist in such a folly.
Because I believe you are a democrat and a patriot.
Everyone has a duty to serve the public will - we should all do our best to seek the best outcome for the country within the framework of what the people have decided
This morning I'm nervous, but excited.
I respect the referendum decision.
I see no reason at all why I should help implement a decision that I believe to be mad and to have been engineered through disgraceful tactics. Those that were hellbent on this crazy course of action can get on with it, but I shall lean against a wall watching their exertions.
Because your duty to the country should rank higher than your personal views.
To serve is to serve. You don't get to choose.
I don't serve bad causes.
I look forward to watching the Farewell Symphony of posters as they one by one drop off the Brexit bandwagon when confronted with the reality of what it means.
You're not serving a "cause".
You're serving the popular will of the British people.
The people of Britain are perfectly capable of being contradictory and of changing their minds!
Merkel is one of the big losers in this, her intransigence has put the EU in this position.
Indeed, and Germany will have to pay more into the EU as we Leave. There is a real price to pay for them.
I think this is the interesting bit. Germany nowhas it's European empire unopposed and if there's one thing I can see coming is they lack the flexibility to run it. They will drive it to destruction and then the old Europe will re-emerge.
If only they had, oh I don't know, a strong, vibrant, independent, thoughtful country as a member, who could help them shape the EU in a positive and forward-looking way.
Leavers seeking the country to unite after the decision might have thought a bit more about the aftermath while conducting their campaign.
Include me out. Pursue your mad agenda obtained by pandering to xenophobia by yourselves. I see no reason why I should assist in such a folly.
Because I believe you are a democrat and a patriot.
Everyone has a duty to serve the public will - we should all do our best to seek the best outcome for the country within the framework of what the people have decided
This morning I'm nervous, but excited.
I respect the referendum decision.
I see no reason at all why I should help implement a decision that I believe to be mad and to have been engineered through disgraceful tactics. Those that were hellbent on this crazy course of action can get on with it, but I shall lean against a wall watching their exertions.
Because your duty to the country should rank higher than your personal views.
To serve is to serve. You don't get to choose.
I don't serve bad causes.
I look forward to watching the Farewell Symphony of posters as they one by one drop off the Brexit bandwagon when confronted with the reality of what it means.
You're not serving a "cause".
You're serving the popular will of the British people.
You're not persuading me. Sometimes people are best served by pointing out that they've made a really bad decision and letting them work that out in their own sweet time. This is a disaster that true believers will need to work out how they wish to mitigate.
when it was pointed out name calling, scaremongering and belittling peoples views was a bad decision on your part you ploughed on regardless, I suppose youve got sweet time to work that out now.
Leavers seeking the country to unite after the decision might have thought a bit more about the aftermath while conducting their campaign.
Include me out. Pursue your mad agenda obtained by pandering to xenophobia by yourselves. I see no reason why I should assist in such a folly.
Because I believe you are a democrat and a patriot.
Everyone has a duty to serve the public will - we should all do our best to seek the best outcome for the country within the framework of what the people have decided
This morning I'm nervous, but excited.
I respect the referendum decision.
I see no reason at all why I should help implement a decision that I believe to be mad and to have been engineered through disgraceful tactics. Those that were hellbent on this crazy course of action can get on with it, but I shall lean against a wall watching their exertions.
Because your duty to the country should rank higher than your personal views.
To serve is to serve. You don't get to choose.
I don't serve bad causes.
I look forward to watching the Farewell Symphony of posters as they one by one drop off the Brexit bandwagon when confronted with the reality of what it means.
You're not serving a "cause".
You're serving the popular will of the British people.
You're not persuading me. Sometimes people are best served by pointing out that they've made a really bad decision and letting them work that out in their own sweet time. This is a disaster that true believers will need to work out how they wish to mitigate.
Merkel is one of the big losers in this, her intransigence has put the EU in this position.
Indeed, and Germany will have to pay more into the EU as we Leave. There is a real price to pay for them.
I think this is the interesting bit. Germany nowhas it's European empire unopposed and if there's one thing I can see coming is they lack the flexibility to run it. They will drive it to destruction and then the old Europe will re-emerge.
If only they had, oh I don't know, a strong, vibrant, independent, thoughtful country as a member, who could help them shape the EU in a positive and forward-looking way.
So how can the Scots avoid calling a referendum (if indeed they don't want one?) Hold it tomorrow and they'd win, presumably.
I doubt they would. The fundamentals for Scotland haven't changed.
Tough for SNP if they don't call one
they've got to call one now, while the whole idea of project fear is discredited, and the fear of changing the status quo has been rejected. They won't lose a referendum on economics.
No, but they'd have to govern a Scotland using the euro with greek levels of unemployment
@AlastairMeeks - I think I agree that it's primarily for the leave side to come up with a plan and sort out this mess. And, like you, I'm in a position to leave the UK, at least for a while - and I might well be doing so. But until then, I'm going to keep on fighting for the 48% that didn't vote out, to try and make the best we can of this bad situation. I don't blame you for not wanting to do that, but perhaps consider it - at least while you're still here!
Can't blame her. If pandering to xenophobia worked here, there must be a decent chance it would work in France too.
It's statements like that which lost you the referendum.
Most people are fed up with the pointless name calling.
Uncomfortable truths hurt.
This referendum was won by Leave by making people scared and angry about immigration.
Or by Remain failing to counter it. Doesn't matter now. But failing to understand the problem or address it will produce more of the same. At some point voters bite back if they feel their leaders fail to represent them. Your comment is unfortunately too much of the tone that produced this result and will produce much worse unless it changes. Brussels and Westminster need to wake up very fast.
If you look at a map you will see that voters in my area feel just as I do. Londoners have been kidnapped from the EU against their very clear wishes.
If the voters who are propped up by the tax transfers that voters in my area disburse to them aren't willing to engage with the views of voters in my area, voters in my area will feel a damn sight angrier with a damn sight more cause.
Get over yourself. Clearly, you think the majority should be hijacked to pander to your superior opinions Your side lost. Time for the country to get back to life, and make the best out of our future.
Look at a map. London didn't just decide on balance to remain, it was a landslide. It has a very different demos from the rest of the country. Why should it put up with the rest of the country foisting batshit mental policies on it?
This is the sort of mentality that will turn us pro-Europeans into pariahs. We nust be honest. Our side failed to make a positive case for European cooperation for years, we failed to correct the failures of the EU, and, in too many cases, we treated the people who disagreed with us with ridicule and contempt. We brought this upon ourselves.
Far better to campaign for an EEA/EFTA type deal that looks as much like the EU as possible.
What is Corbyn's point about Article 50 being invoked now? Surely it is better to wait for a month or so (at least) until the dust settles? The man is incomprehensible.
The French and Germans might quite like us to hang fire for a while. It's election season.
Leavers seeking the country to unite after the decision might have thought a bit more about the aftermath while conducting their campaign.
Include me out. Pursue your mad agenda obtained by pandering to xenophobia by yourselves. I see no reason why I should assist in such a folly.
Because I believe you are a democrat and a patriot.
Everyone has a duty to serve the public will - we should all do our best to seek the best outcome for the country within the framework of what the people have decided
This morning I'm nervous, but excited.
I respect the referendum decision.
I see no reason at all why I should help implement a decision that I believe to be mad and to have been engineered through disgraceful tactics. Those that were hellbent on this crazy course of action can get on with it, but I shall lean against a wall watching their exertions.
Because your duty to the country should rank higher than your personal views.
To serve is to serve. You don't get to choose.
I don't serve bad causes.
I look forward to watching the Farewell Symphony of posters as they one by one drop off the Brexit bandwagon when confronted with the reality of what it means.
You're not serving a "cause".
You're serving the popular will of the British people.
You're not persuading me. Sometimes people are best served by pointing out that they've made a really bad decision and letting them work that out in their own sweet time. This is a disaster that true believers will need to work out how they wish to mitigate.
when it was pointed out name calling, scaremongering and belittling peoples views was a bad decision on your part you ploughed on regardless, I suppose youve got sweet time to work that out now.
It should be pointed out that there was plenty of name calling, scaremongering and belittling of peoples' views from leavers, both in the campaigns and on here.
16 million people will be disappointed this morning. Many people will be worried and scared for the future.
Leavers seeking the country to unite after the decision might have thought a bit more about the aftermath while conducting their campaign.
Include me out. Pursue your mad agenda obtained by pandering to xenophobia by yourselves. I see no reason why I should assist in such a folly.
Because I believe you are a democrat and a patriot.
Everyone has a duty to serve the public will - we should all do our best to seek the best outcome for the country within the framework of what the people have decided
This morning I'm nervous, but excited.
I respect the referendum decision.
I see no reason at all why I should help implement a decision that I believe to be mad and to have been engineered through disgraceful tactics. Those that were hellbent on this crazy course of action can get on with it, but I shall lean against a wall watching their exertions.
Because your duty to the country should rank higher than your personal views.
To serve is to serve. You don't get to choose.
I don't serve bad causes.
I look forward to watching the Farewell Symphony of posters as they one by one drop off the Brexit bandwagon when confronted with the reality of what it means.
You're not serving a "cause".
You're serving the popular will of the British people.
You're not persuading me. Sometimes people are best served by pointing out that they've made a really bad decision and letting them work that out in their own sweet time. This is a disaster that true believers will need to work out how they wish to mitigate.
This diminishes you.
I can live with myself, having not fallen enthusiastically behind a mendacious campaign that majored on pandering to xenophobia.
I couldn't live with myself if after the campaign was over I enabled those mendacious panderers to xenophobes to achieve their aims.
Today is the first day when the NHS will get another £350m. Tomorrow too and the day after...
£100m per week isn't £350m per day...
The battle bus clearly stated the £350m figure.
Yes, it said £350m would be saved, our gross payment to the EU, it didn't say all of that would be spent on the NHS, the most any Leaver said was £100m per week.
Today is the first day when the NHS will get another £350m. Tomorrow too and the day after...
£100m per week isn't £350m per day...
The battle bus clearly stated the £350m figure.
We're still in the EU. Please try and remember that. The UK does not abrogate treaties unilaterally, and all our current obligations, including financial ones, still apply. Nothing has changed.
So how can the Scots avoid calling a referendum (if indeed they don't want one?) Hold it tomorrow and they'd win, presumably.
I doubt they would. The fundamentals for Scotland haven't changed.
Tough for SNP if they don't call one
they've got to call one now, while the whole idea of project fear is discredited, and the fear of changing the status quo has been rejected. They won't lose a referendum on economics.
They haven't got to call one. Scotland voted to stay in Britain, and they also deprived the SNP of its majority in Holyrood last month. Why should part of Britain get to decide whether or not it stays in the EU? Should Cambridge decide too? Not all SNP voters want independence. There is no genuine mandate for another independence referendum. The SNP is so full of it that I would prefer a Lab-LibDem-Con coalition in Holyrood.
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now all we need is for youse boys to get you heads right :-)
The vast majority of those who voted Leave, meanwhile, want no free movement of people.
I wonder how that dichotomy will manifest itself.
This may cheer you up, from one of the best news sites on the net.
Something we agree on
(this "ordinary, decent people" is extraordinary. 99% of people who voted are ordinary and decent.)
To serve is to serve. You don't get to choose.
The deal wasn't great, but it wasn't terrible either. However, he then completely oversold it and got his tone completely wrong during the campaign itself. I think his personal animus towards Boris and Farage must have affected his clarity of thought. Sad way to end.
The octo-lemur were right to an astonishing margin of accuracy.
Both the polling and betting markets have been horrendously wrong in two major events in the last 13 months or so.
Genuinely surprised Leave won.
It was pastys wot won it.
Hint that Cameron won't be going straight away.
And indeed.
I cant see a major politician or party running on a "Rejoin EU" ticket. The Lib Dems in particular are missing a trick if they don't take the opportunity for a policy platform refresh.
Calls for "wider reflection" within the EU nations.
and they know it.
I look forward to watching the Farewell Symphony of posters as they one by one drop off the Brexit bandwagon when confronted with the reality of what it means.
The same Hartlepool that just voted LEAVE by 69.5% one of the highest in the country ?
The signs are that @David_Cameron will announce his departure after 8, & presumably that means @George_Osborne has to go too.
Work starts on Monday.
You're serving the popular will of the British people.
Only 4 cents lower than 14th June.
The biggest problem is an organisation that regards most of its voters as nasty w*nkers, who must only be spoken to not listened to.
I'm not sure what options we have here. Sadiq should call for greater powers and maintenance of free movement from London to the EU. Dunno. It's a fucked up situation on a sad, sad, sad day.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/gove-pledges-extra-100m-for-the-nhs-after-brexit-cxlgfx92j
16 million people will be disappointed this morning. Many people will be worried and scared for the future.
Speak for Britain!
I couldn't live with myself if after the campaign was over I enabled those mendacious panderers to xenophobes to achieve their aims.
It would be interesting to try and analyse how votes were won and lost based on substance, and style.
I suspect Cameron won't be referring to 'Little England' today.