Whatever your political persuasion, just try to soak this all in. We're watching history unfold which will be re-watched and debated for decades. General Elections go down in history but this is something else.
Completely agree. It might all prove to be a damp squib, but I think there's a fair chance that the ramifications will run on and on, whatever the result. Still enjoying the moment .
@chrisshipitv: Andy Coulson will be on @ITV shortly - the former No10 Communications boss. His first TV interview since prison. With @tombradby
How come the rich and powerful get to waltz back into high profile gigs post-jail, while the working class have their employment prospects diminished for life?
Welsh BBC guy saying that the Labour Remain vote looks a bit stronger than expected.
Yes, that's what I was saying earlier - I think Labour did recover some WWC Remain support in the last fortnight. Faisalislam says Remain sources claim two reasons for a late swing to Remain:
1. Status quo reversion on economy 2. Core Labour Remain turnout soars on revulsion at Leave tactics
I think Leave will still well in WWC areas (which should show up in Sunderland), but perhaps not as clear-cut as it looked two weeks ago.
I am livid I missed out on the 15/1 on Betfair Exchange earlier. I wandered away from the computer to speak to someone and missed it. Covering my Remain bet by backing Leave at 8/1 has eaten into my profits.
Sunderland, by itself, won't tell you that much, whatever the result. It's hardly representative of the UK as a whole.
But some of the "experts" have supposedly worked out how Remain-friendly each area is, based on demographics.
Sure, and they might be right, as far as such analysis goes. But Sunderland won't tell you if students in the South East have got their act together, or if blue-rinse Tories have looked into the abyss and thought 'Hmm, maybe not...', or thought 'What the hell, let's jump!'
If leave somehow win without markets anticipating it traders are in for a rooooough Friday. For some reason I get a feeling that postal votes will play a massive part in this.
More Eurosceptics deserting the Tory part is presumably very good for Tory pro-Europeans in getting a Remainer as thier next leader.
57% of Tory voters voted Leave according to Yougov, not much good if the Tories get a Remainer as leader and are left with just 43% of their own voters.
There is zero reason why Tory Leave voters should leave the party. There's been a vote and all sides now need to respect the result and move on, whatever the result is.
Yes, as Scottish Labour Yes voters so happily trotted back to Labour with their tails between their legs after No won indyref! I doubt it will be on the same scale but 52 48 Remain will encourage UKIP to try and copy the SNP
Difference is the SNP was already the party of government in Scotland and was getting things done while Labour were in opposition.
UKIP are a party of Douglas Carswell in Westminster while the Tories are in government and getting things done.
Like having a PM leading the campaign to secure Britain's place in the EU, I am sure Leave voting Tories will be delighted with that!
Kay Burley wandering around the room asking who people are. Misidentifying members of Parliament. Never seen anything quite like it by a political correspondent. Totally embarrassing.
How on Earth did she confuse Trevor Phillips with Chuka?!?!
Sunderland, by itself, won't tell you that much, whatever the result. It's hardly representative of the UK as a whole.
Well if it's a clear win for either side you will be able to see that in the Sunderland result. The fact we're potentially looking at a result that's unclear sets us up for an interesting night to say the least.
Any word yet on whether Thomas Mair was known to MI5?
Let's not hold our breath waiting for any of the lickspittle media to ask that question.
It would be a legitimate question if he were suspected of being signed up to Daesh; it's a legitimate question whoever he is, given that we know from what he said in court that he's political.
Not much discussion either on the Sun's involvement of the queen in the referendum debate.
Yes, he is a well known deep cover operative. He has lead a deliberately shit life for 52 years, waiting to be activated in the event of an EU, referendum. Far sighted blighters these MI 5 Johnnies.
If leave somehow win without markets anticipating it traders are in for a rooooough Friday. For some reason I get a feeling that postal votes will play a massive part in this.
Would be quite amusing for the city boys to have egg on their faces.
Kay Burley wandering around the room asking who people are. Misidentifying members of Parliament. Never seen anything quite like it by a political correspondent. Totally embarrassing.
How on Earth did she confuse Trevor Phillips with Chuka?!?!
well theres one obvious answer ;-) I wonder if she lives in Islington.
More Eurosceptics deserting the Tory part is presumably very good for Tory pro-Europeans in getting a Remainer as thier next leader.
57% of Tory voters voted Leave according to Yougov, not much good if the Tories get a Remainer as leader and are left with just 43% of their own voters.
There is zero reason why Tory Leave voters should leave the party. There's been a vote and all sides now need to respect the result and move on, whatever the result is.
Yes, as Scottish Labour Yes voters so happily trotted back to Labour with their tails between their legs after No won indyref! I doubt it will be on the same scale but 52 48 Remain will encourage UKIP to try and copy the SNP
Difference is the SNP was already the party of government in Scotland and was getting things done while Labour were in opposition.
UKIP are a party of Douglas Carswell in Westminster while the Tories are in government and getting things done.
Like having a PM leading the campaign to secure Britain's place in the EU, I am sure Leave voting Tories will be delighted with that!
While a pair of Tories led the Leave campaign too, which I hadn't expected two years ago.
The fact is that the Tories have led both Leave and Remain. If you want to lead the way then be a Tory, if you want to be a follower go with anyone else, if you want your vote to be as useful as chocolate fireguard then vote purple or orange...
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If the sampling from Sunderland is correct, Remain have won. And by a good margin.
Then again, with so much other noise, who knows!
Realistically, we need to be above 55% to get excited.
Anyway all this noise suggests obsessive attention seeking to me cough Farage cough.
I.somehow doubt the conversation will go "OK old chap we lost £100 millions on your slightly inaccurate poll, any chance of a refund?"
A Leave source tells me that, for what it is worth, the polls by the financial institutions are split on what the result it
https://twitter.com/huwzat/status/746099257497751552
Very confusing picture so far!
1. Status quo reversion on economy
2. Core Labour Remain turnout soars on revulsion at Leave tactics
I think Leave will still well in WWC areas (which should show up in Sunderland), but perhaps not as clear-cut as it looked two weeks ago.
The immediate instinct was that had I been voting, to not tell them what I have voted for.
It's first.
Have remain walked it yet?
Oh... there's no official exit poll?
Damn!
Result in the next few minutes.
http://www.gbc.gi/tv/watch-live
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Remain sources in Sunderland telling me they vote divides something like 60-40 in favour of LEAVE. #ITVEURef
The fact is that the Tories have led both Leave and Remain. If you want to lead the way then be a Tory, if you want to be a follower go with anyone else, if you want your vote to be as useful as chocolate fireguard then vote purple or orange...
Means it's probably around 55/56 assuming that postal votes are around 30% of the total
'Defiance'!