@BBCVickiYoung: Dozens of Tory MPs sign letter supporting Cameron. Talking to many in last week they were backing PM but gunning for Osborne. #euref
#OsborneOut
He would be made a scapegoat by bitter losers. What has he done that no one else has done in the Cons party who has been for Remain? What has he alone done that hasn't been sanctioned by Cons' Leavers?
I backed leave earlier today to a few 10s of pounds. Even as a Leave voter I always felt Remain had the edge, but the odds on Leave, given the uncertainty of the outcome, were just too big.
@BBCVickiYoung: Dozens of Tory MPs sign letter supporting Cameron. Talking to many in last week they were backing PM but gunning for Osborne. #euref
#OsborneOut
He would be made a scapegoat by bitter losers. What has he done that no one else has done in the Cons party who has been for Remain? What has he alone done that hasn't been sanctioned by Cons' Leavers?
Slightly pathetic tbh.
Been shown up by IDS?
Come out with a preposterous budget that the HoC promised not to pass?
Among Leavers I know him calling them "economically illiterate" and releasing the £4,300 household loss number went down badly. However, I don't see that as anywhere near as bad as Cameron using a dead woman as a political pawn within 48 hours of her death.
Okay Sky is really pissing me off talking about EU funding for all these different parts of the UK. Its not EU funding. Its UK taxpayers money laundered back to us via the EU.
Lots of right wing posters on here don't seem to realise how successful their policies have been for the last 35 years. They think the country still has large amounts of council housing.
@BBCVickiYoung: Dozens of Tory MPs sign letter supporting Cameron. Talking to many in last week they were backing PM but gunning for Osborne. #euref
#OsborneOut
He would be made a scapegoat by bitter losers. What has he done that no one else has done in the Cons party who has been for Remain? What has he alone done that hasn't been sanctioned by Cons' Leavers?
Slightly pathetic tbh.
Been shown up by IDS?
Come out with a preposterous budget that the HoC promised not to pass?
IDS has never shown anyone up since Pirbright, if at all.
The budget may or may not have been preposterous but do you suppose it was GO acting alone, as a rogue, or as part of the overall campaign?
He made more unwarranted cuts to a flagship policy at the same time as slashing corp tax and cutting mc tax bill.
And he blamed cuts to welfare to IDS.
Horrid, horrid optics as well as poor politics given IDS had nothing to lose.
Shown up by IDS - which, despite my respect for IDS, is really quite something.
GO has become a poor strategist as well as a poor tactician. Needs to go.
@BBCVickiYoung: Dozens of Tory MPs sign letter supporting Cameron. Talking to many in last week they were backing PM but gunning for Osborne. #euref
#OsborneOut
He would be made a scapegoat by bitter losers. What has he done that no one else has done in the Cons party who has been for Remain? What has he alone done that hasn't been sanctioned by Cons' Leavers?
Slightly pathetic tbh.
His head. Or no peace.
That's the deal for a reunified party.
A deal is a deal. As someone who after all offered a referendum to win the election, Dave would understand that more than most, if that is what is put to him.
@BBCVickiYoung: Dozens of Tory MPs sign letter supporting Cameron. Talking to many in last week they were backing PM but gunning for Osborne. #euref
#OsborneOut
He would be made a scapegoat by bitter losers. What has he done that no one else has done in the Cons party who has been for Remain? What has he alone done that hasn't been sanctioned by Cons' Leavers?
Slightly pathetic tbh.
His head. Or no peace.
That's the deal for a reunified party.
The punishment budget. That was a completely unnecessary stunt, unworthy of a CoE. He's had a decent run, time for him to either shift sideways or start concentrating on his post-politics gravy train.
It was reported a few weeks ago that some financial institutions had privately commissioned exit polls.
The BBC's business editor tweeted "Markets have bet big that Remain has won. Big gains in FTSE continued into after hours trading with big jump just after 930pm."
There were spikes in sterling versus the US dollar around 9pm and particularly just after 10pm.
Were those the result of the reported private exit polls?
Okay Sky is really pissing me off talking about EU funding for all these different parts of the UK. Its not EU funding. Its UK taxpayers money laundered back to us via the EU.
That's what I was thinking.
Here here.
What the fcuk are Sky upto with their broadcasts for Remain at each count? Do they not know the voting's over?
@BBCVickiYoung: Dozens of Tory MPs sign letter supporting Cameron. Talking to many in last week they were backing PM but gunning for Osborne. #euref
#OsborneOut
He would be made a scapegoat by bitter losers. What has he done that no one else has done in the Cons party who has been for Remain? What has he alone done that hasn't been sanctioned by Cons' Leavers?
Slightly pathetic tbh.
His head. Or no peace.
That's the deal for a reunified party.
If Remain wins, I think if I were Cameron I wouldn't take that deal. I'd be leaving soon anyway. Why not just stay loyal to your friend? The divided party will be Someone Else's Problem.
LOL, Osbo out for Tory LEAVEr fealty. A different face, no change in policy. Why not ask for a Home Secretary who will cut non-EU immigration to zero, if immigration's so important?
Okay Sky is really pissing me off talking about EU funding for all these different parts of the UK. Its not EU funding. Its UK taxpayers money laundered back to us via the EU.
I was with you on that, Richard, but given that the Leave campaign made such a big deal of the £350 million a week line, I think it became valid again.
It's £350 million a week if we ignore the £100 million a week direct rebate and about £120 million a week of that EU funding, of course, and I certainly know you weren't one of those pushing that daft line. As someone who started off leaning Leave, it pissed me off somewhat (partly because I'd already, like you, got my hackles up at the "EU funding" claim; the Leave line more than legitimised the Remain claim, it went way beyond that into outright mendacity.
@BBCVickiYoung: Dozens of Tory MPs sign letter supporting Cameron. Talking to many in last week they were backing PM but gunning for Osborne. #euref
#OsborneOut
He would be made a scapegoat by bitter losers. What has he done that no one else has done in the Cons party who has been for Remain? What has he alone done that hasn't been sanctioned by Cons' Leavers?
Slightly pathetic tbh.
His head. Or no peace.
That's the deal for a reunified party.
The punishment budget. That was a completely unnecessary stunt, unworthy of a CoE. He's had a decent run, time for him to either shift sideways or start concentrating on his post-politics gravy train.
Political parties for as long as anyone on here can remember have always threatened or bribed peoples' pay packets to win whatever election they want to win.
Okay Sky is really pissing me off talking about EU funding for all these different parts of the UK. Its not EU funding. Its UK taxpayers money laundered back to us via the EU.
We're going to get a lot of this.
It's the insufferable smugness of the Remainers that i'm going to find hardest to bear.
But, we must accept the result if it is this. For now.
@BBCVickiYoung: Dozens of Tory MPs sign letter supporting Cameron. Talking to many in last week they were backing PM but gunning for Osborne. #euref
#OsborneOut
He would be made a scapegoat by bitter losers. What has he done that no one else has done in the Cons party who has been for Remain? What has he alone done that hasn't been sanctioned by Cons' Leavers?
Slightly pathetic tbh.
His head. Or no peace.
That's the deal for a reunified party.
If Remain wins, I think if I were Cameron I wouldn't take that deal. I'd be leaving soon anyway. Why not just stay loyal to your friend? The divided party will be Someone Else's Problem.
@BBCVickiYoung: Dozens of Tory MPs sign letter supporting Cameron. Talking to many in last week they were backing PM but gunning for Osborne. #euref
#OsborneOut
He would be made a scapegoat by bitter losers. What has he done that no one else has done in the Cons party who has been for Remain? What has he alone done that hasn't been sanctioned by Cons' Leavers?
Slightly pathetic tbh.
His head. Or no peace.
That's the deal for a reunified party.
If Remain wins, I think if I were Cameron I wouldn't take that deal. I'd be leaving soon anyway. Why not just stay loyal to your friend? The divided party will be Someone Else's Problem.
If he doesn't the party will become totally ungovernable. His tactics have been disgraceful.
I spoke to the father of a Hampshire Tory MP today (Leaver) and what he said about Osborne shocked even me.
Okay Sky is really pissing me off talking about EU funding for all these different parts of the UK. Its not EU funding. Its UK taxpayers money laundered back to us via the EU.
We're going to get a lot of this.
It's the insufferable smugness of the Remainers that i'm going to find hardest to bear.
But, we must accept the result if it is this. For now.
I don't think there will be any smugness (other than from TSE, natch). Whatever the final result, it's already clear that Leave have done hugely better than anyone expected. If they haven't won, they've certainly come very close to winning, despite the odds. That's food for thought for all politicians.
Boris thanks everyone who voted. Cameron thanks everyone who voted Remain.
That's what I was thinking. Cameron's such a bell-end. There'll be people voting Leave who voted for him in 2015: he needs to start making friends again from 10pm tonight and he sends that piece of crap Tweet. Not classy, not classy at all.
Okay Sky is really pissing me off talking about EU funding for all these different parts of the UK. Its not EU funding. Its UK taxpayers money laundered back to us via the EU.
I was with you on that, Richard, but given that the Leave campaign made such a big deal of the £350 million a week line, I think it became valid again.
It's £350 million a week if we ignore the £100 million a week direct rebate and about £120 million a week of that EU funding, of course, and I certainly know you weren't one of those pushing that daft line. As someone who started off leaning Leave, it pissed me off somewhat (partly because I'd already, like you, got my hackles up at the "EU funding" claim; the Leave line more than legitimised the Remain claim, it went way beyond that into outright mendacity.
I know it might be daft to get into this now but the rebate is not £100 million. It is about £60 million a week. Our donation to the EU is £288 million a week after the rebate. That is the number they should have been using as I said before.
Okay Sky is really pissing me off talking about EU funding for all these different parts of the UK. Its not EU funding. Its UK taxpayers money laundered back to us via the EU.
We're going to get a lot of this.
It's the insufferable smugness of the Remainers that i'm going to find hardest to bear.
But, we must accept the result if it is this. For now.
The insufferable smugness of the 'Remain' campaign will last about 1 day. And then we'll realise there is still a hard slog ahead. And I voted Remain.
Okay Sky is really pissing me off talking about EU funding for all these different parts of the UK. Its not EU funding. Its UK taxpayers money laundered back to us via the EU.
We're going to get a lot of this.
It's the insufferable smugness of the Remainers that i'm going to find hardest to bear.
But, we must accept the result if it is this. For now.
I don't think there will be any smugness (other than from TSE, natch). Whatever the final result, it's already clear that Leave have done hugely better than anyone expected. If they haven't won, they've certainly come very close to winning, despite the odds. That's food for thought for all politicians.
I am sure we will get the Blair lite "I am listening", with a similar result.
@BBCVickiYoung: Dozens of Tory MPs sign letter supporting Cameron. Talking to many in last week they were backing PM but gunning for Osborne. #euref
#OsborneOut
He would be made a scapegoat by bitter losers. What has he done that no one else has done in the Cons party who has been for Remain? What has he alone done that hasn't been sanctioned by Cons' Leavers?
Slightly pathetic tbh.
His head. Or no peace.
That's the deal for a reunified party.
If Remain wins, I think if I were Cameron I wouldn't take that deal. I'd be leaving soon anyway. Why not just stay loyal to your friend? The divided party will be Someone Else's Problem.
If he doesn't the party will become totally ungovernable. His tactics have been disgraceful.
I spoke to the father of a Hampshire Tory MP today (Leaver) and what he said about Osborne shocked even me.
It's not just his conduct; he's not been a very good chancellor since 2015, when he started interfering even more across government. He should have stuck to the day job.
@BBCVickiYoung: Dozens of Tory MPs sign letter supporting Cameron. Talking to many in last week they were backing PM but gunning for Osborne. #euref
#OsborneOut
He would be made a scapegoat by bitter losers. What has he done that no one else has done in the Cons party who has been for Remain? What has he alone done that hasn't been sanctioned by Cons' Leavers?
Slightly pathetic tbh.
His head. Or no peace.
That's the deal for a reunified party.
The punishment budget. That was a completely unnecessary stunt, unworthy of a CoE. He's had a decent run, time for him to either shift sideways or start concentrating on his post-politics gravy train.
Political parties for as long as anyone on here can remember have always threatened or bribed peoples' pay packets to win whatever election they want to win.
Good lord, what did you get your degree in? Pointing out the bleedin' obvious? Politics is personal. Osborne crossed the line, as did Cameron (and I was a fan of both). I'm sure plenty of other people think everything was fine and dandy and acceptable. I am but one voter.
Okay Sky is really pissing me off talking about EU funding for all these different parts of the UK. Its not EU funding. Its UK taxpayers money laundered back to us via the EU.
We're going to get a lot of this.
It's the insufferable smugness of the Remainers that i'm going to find hardest to bear.
But, we must accept the result if it is this. For now.
I don't think there will be any smugness (other than from TSE, natch). Whatever the final result, it's already clear that Leave have done hugely better than anyone expected. If they haven't won, they've certainly come very close to winning, despite the odds. That's food for thought for all politicians.
@BBCVickiYoung: Dozens of Tory MPs sign letter supporting Cameron. Talking to many in last week they were backing PM but gunning for Osborne. #euref
#OsborneOut
He would be made a scapegoat by bitter losers. What has he done that no one else has done in the Cons party who has been for Remain? What has he alone done that hasn't been sanctioned by Cons' Leavers?
Slightly pathetic tbh.
His head. Or no peace.
That's the deal for a reunified party.
If Remain wins, I think if I were Cameron I wouldn't take that deal. I'd be leaving soon anyway. Why not just stay loyal to your friend? The divided party will be Someone Else's Problem.
If he doesn't the party will become totally ungovernable. His tactics have been disgraceful.
I spoke to the father of a Hampshire Tory MP today (Leaver) and what he said about Osborne shocked even me.
It's not just his conduct; he's not been a very good chancellor since 2015, when he started interfering even more across government. He should have stuck to the day job.
Okay Sky is really pissing me off talking about EU funding for all these different parts of the UK. Its not EU funding. Its UK taxpayers money laundered back to us via the EU.
I was with you on that, Richard, but given that the Leave campaign made such a big deal of the £350 million a week line, I think it became valid again.
It's £350 million a week if we ignore the £100 million a week direct rebate and about £120 million a week of that EU funding, of course, and I certainly know you weren't one of those pushing that daft line. As someone who started off leaning Leave, it pissed me off somewhat (partly because I'd already, like you, got my hackles up at the "EU funding" claim; the Leave line more than legitimised the Remain claim, it went way beyond that into outright mendacity.
I know it might be daft to get into this now but the rebate is not £100 million. It is about £60 million a week. Our donation to the EU is £288 million a week after the rebate. That is the number they should have been using as I said before.
It's EU spending in the UK.
Evidently we needn't replicate it but some in Leave have say we would.
Okay Sky is really pissing me off talking about EU funding for all these different parts of the UK. Its not EU funding. Its UK taxpayers money laundered back to us via the EU.
We're going to get a lot of this.
It's the insufferable smugness of the Remainers that i'm going to find hardest to bear.
But, we must accept the result if it is this. For now.
I don't think there will be any smugness (other than from TSE, natch). Whatever the final result, it's already clear that Leave have done hugely better than anyone expected. If they haven't won, they've certainly come very close to winning, despite the odds. That's food for thought for all politicians.
Thanks. I hope we can build on it. Somewhere. Somehow.
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That's the deal for a reunified party.
Enjoy the rest of the show.
And he blamed cuts to welfare to IDS.
Horrid, horrid optics as well as poor politics given IDS had nothing to lose.
Shown up by IDS - which, despite my respect for IDS, is really quite something.
GO has become a poor strategist as well as a poor tactician. Needs to go.
#EUref: On how party supporters voted (Remain/Leave):
CON: 43/57
LAB: 69/31
LDEM: 73/27
UKIP: 7/93
(via YouGov)
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/746097249512529921
It's just that it is quite illogical.
The BBC's business editor tweeted "Markets have bet big that Remain has won. Big gains in FTSE continued into after hours trading with big jump just after 930pm."
There were spikes in sterling versus the US dollar around 9pm and particularly just after 10pm.
Were those the result of the reported private exit polls?
What the fcuk are Sky upto with their broadcasts for Remain at each count? Do they not know the voting's over?
There's the key and why the polls are wrong.
7% of Kippers voting Remain. FFS.
It's £350 million a week if we ignore the £100 million a week direct rebate and about £120 million a week of that EU funding, of course, and I certainly know you weren't one of those pushing that daft line. As someone who started off leaning Leave, it pissed me off somewhat (partly because I'd already, like you, got my hackles up at the "EU funding" claim; the Leave line more than legitimised the Remain claim, it went way beyond that into outright mendacity.
@chrisshipitv: Others may have already spotted this: Iain Duncan Smith NOT on that #savecameron letter (84 Leave Tories did) https://t.co/L310UceJK4
@BBCVickiYoung: He said he wasn't asked to sign but thinks PM should stay. https://t.co/urzJ3Dasmf
I am a Green remainer !
It's the insufferable smugness of the Remainers that i'm going to find hardest to bear.
But, we must accept the result if it is this. For now.
We will know soon either way.
http://lordashcroftpolls.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Lord-Ashcroft-Polls-Referendum-day-poll-summary-1409191.pdf
The campaign has fundamentally changed my approach to politics.
I have left the party I have been a member of for nearly 3 decades and do not imagine returning.
The elite that runs this country in their own interests need to be challenged like never before.
I do not yet know who will do it or how but they will have my support untill they succeed.
'Nigel, at what point do you think you reached... *pauses*'
'Don't say it.'
'BREAKING POINT'
BUUUUT just postal votes.
Cameron thanks everyone who voted Remain.
Take your time, guys.
I spoke to the father of a Hampshire Tory MP today (Leaver) and what he said about Osborne shocked even me.
I'm tempted to resign myself; will wait to see what happens in coming days and weeks before I plump. After all, I am conservative.
And then theyll be shitting themselves when their numbers dont add up.
Smash the Tories ! :-)
Every vote counts seems to work
Leave win Newcastle = leave win
Neither or both = wait will 3AM
Evidently we needn't replicate it but some in Leave have say we would.
Arf!!
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