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Sunil_Prasannan said:

ydoethur said:

foxinsoxuk said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

SandyRentool said:

It must have escaped Remain's notice that the only time England has hosted a World Cup was before we joined the Common Market.

The only time we WON the World Cup was before we joined the Common Market!

We only win world cups under Labour governments.

Football 1966

Rugby 2003

Not true - world T20 title was won on the 16th May 2010, in the first week of the Coalition. That's worth a dozen world cups in a rubbishy sport like football as well

How many of our fellow EU nations play Cricket anyway?

The Netherlands, - who are to cricket what Italy is to Rugby

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/736661493551370241

https://twitter.com/DJack_Journo/status/736661638342922240

BenedictWhite said:

weejonnie said:

Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

Plato_Says said:

Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

Plato_Says said:

Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

weejonnie said:

From the reports in the press it looks as if the remain campaign is struggling to find votes anywhere - they are begging on hands and knees for the younger naïve voters to come out. What next - promise them extra grants at University if Remain wins?

Have we head a 'Brexit could for universities to close' headline yet?

Brexit will disable your PS4 and block online porn.

It will be a never ending diet of Mills & Boon or Barbara Cartland.

Brexit means your mother will buy all your clothes.

And children won't be able to have ice cream any more.

Actually that could happen if we remain.

http://eatoutmagazine.co.uk/ice-cream-under-threat-because-new-eu-regulations

Save our Ice Cream - Vote Brexit

The problem with the EU is that it is hard to parody. I mean. WTF?

The problem is that most of this "parody" stuff was made up by the media- especially Boris.

Sunil_Prasannan said:

ydoethur said:

foxinsoxuk said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

SandyRentool said:

It must have escaped Remain's notice that the only time England has hosted a World Cup was before we joined the Common Market.

The only time we WON the World Cup was before we joined the Common Market!

We only win world cups under Labour governments.

Football 1966

Rugby 2003

Not true - world T20 title was won on the 16th May 2010, in the first week of the Coalition. That's worth a dozen world cups in a rubbishy sport like football as well

How many of our fellow EU nations play Cricket anyway?

If only it wasn't likely to prove counter-productive, one could work up a nice little spoof about the EU intending to ban cricket.

Cicero said:

BenedictWhite said:

weejonnie said:

Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

Plato_Says said:

Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

Plato_Says said:

Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

weejonnie said:

From the reports in the press it looks as if the remain campaign is struggling to find votes anywhere - they are begging on hands and knees for the younger naïve voters to come out. What next - promise them extra grants at University if Remain wins?

Have we head a 'Brexit could for universities to close' headline yet?

Brexit will disable your PS4 and block online porn.

It will be a never ending diet of Mills & Boon or Barbara Cartland.

Brexit means your mother will buy all your clothes.

And children won't be able to have ice cream any more.

Actually that could happen if we remain.

http://eatoutmagazine.co.uk/ice-cream-under-threat-because-new-eu-regulations

Save our Ice Cream - Vote Brexit

The problem with the EU is that it is hard to parody. I mean. WTF?

The problem is that most of this "parody" stuff was made up by the media- especially Boris.

1. That one wasn't.

2. They did really have a bananas banana directive, but it has since been re pealed

Some of their stuff is seriously nuts.

Sunil_Prasannan said:

https://twitter.com/JJBHargreaves/status/736660997683961856

You've got to love Matt

Sean_F said:

MikeSmithson said:

Sean_F said:

FPT I can't see any reason why UKIP should be just about to vanish, other than wishful thinking from Lib Dems who think they're on the cusp of a major breakthrough.

At every round of elections post 2012, UKIP have enjoyed a net gain.

Sean_F said:

FPT I can't see any reason why UKIP should be just about to vanish, other than wishful thinking from Lib Dems who think they're on the cusp of a major breakthrough.

At every round of elections post 2012, UKIP have enjoyed a net gain.

I think you'll find that UKIP has fewer council seats than it did a year ago. It simply hasn't found a way of holding on at by-elections.

UKIP had a net gain of 26 this year.

In the last year UKIP lost 13 council seats in by elections and around 25-30 councillors through defection to other parties so Mike is correct UKIP have fewer councillors now than a year ago .

FrancisUrquhart said:

Plato_Says said:

https://twitter.com/DJack_Journo/status/736661638342922240

Wtf are charities doing with all that money?

I think the major problem was the Clintons'.

Sunil_Prasannan said:

ydoethur said:

foxinsoxuk said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

SandyRentool said:

It must have escaped Remain's notice that the only time England has hosted a World Cup was before we joined the Common Market.

The only time we WON the World Cup was before we joined the Common Market!

We only win world cups under Labour governments.

Football 1966

Rugby 2003

Not true - world T20 title was won on the 16th May 2010, in the first week of the Coalition. That's worth a dozen world cups in a rubbishy sport like football as well

How many of our fellow EU nations play Cricket anyway?

Hitler banned cricket I wish the E.U would do the same!

viewcode said:

Plato_Says said:

h ttps://twitter.com/DJack_Journo/status/736661638342922240

THAT 2015 BREXIT CAMPAIGN ARGUMENT IN FULL
We wish to withdraw and pursue a relationship with the rest of the world in a spirit of honest competition and free trade, concentrating on our historic allies and expanding markets

THAT 2016 BREXIT CAMPAIGN ARGUMENT IN FULL
Migrants migrants migrants migrants migrants migrants look look look look foreigners foreigners foreigners foreigners ew ew ew ew whiff-waff ew ew ew aaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrgh MIGRANTS!

Remain have been pushing their strongest suit for the last 8 weeks - now it is Leave's turn to push theirs- and from what you've written you are s**t scared it will work.

FrancisUrquhart said:

nunu said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

ydoethur said:

foxinsoxuk said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

SandyRentool said:

It must have escaped Remain's notice that the only time England has hosted a World Cup was before we joined the Common Market.

The only time we WON the World Cup was before we joined the Common Market!

We only win world cups under Labour governments.

Football 1966

Rugby 2003

Not true - world T20 title was won on the 16th May 2010, in the first week of the Coalition. That's worth a dozen world cups in a rubbishy sport like football as well

How many of our fellow EU nations play Cricket anyway?

Hitler banned cricket I wish the E.U would do the same!

Incoming Ken....to tell us it was actually the Jews fault...

No. It was after he went mad?

foxinsoxuk said:

weejonnie said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

ydoethur said:

foxinsoxuk said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

SandyRentool said:

It must have escaped Remain's notice that the only time England has hosted a World Cup was before we joined the Common Market.

The only time we WON the World Cup was before we joined the Common Market!

We only win world cups under Labour governments.

Football 1966

Rugby 2003

Not true - world T20 title was won on the 16th May 2010, in the first week of the Coalition. That's worth a dozen world cups in a rubbishy sport like football as well

How many of our fellow EU nations play Cricket anyway?

The Netherlands, - who are to cricket what Italy is to Rugby

And the Irish. Also Greece, Malta and Cyprus.

Even the Germans have a league and national team:

http://www.cricket.de/

Indeed soon they will be beating us at that too, no doubt!

So when is the German team touring England? Any time soon?

weejonnie said:

viewcode said:

Plato_Says said:

h ttps://twitter.com/DJack_Journo/status/736661638342922240

THAT 2015 BREXIT CAMPAIGN ARGUMENT IN FULL
We wish to withdraw and pursue a relationship with the rest of the world in a spirit of honest competition and free trade, concentrating on our historic allies and expanding markets

THAT 2016 BREXIT CAMPAIGN ARGUMENT IN FULL
Migrants migrants migrants migrants migrants migrants look look look look foreigners foreigners foreigners foreigners ew ew ew ew whiff-waff ew ew ew aaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrgh MIGRANTS!

Remain have been pushing their strongest suit for the last 8 weeks - now it is Leave's turn to push theirs- and from what you've written you are s**t scared it will work.

That's not actually a denial, is it?

Plato_Says said:

It's hotting up

Priti's 2p

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/28/the-wealthy-leaders-of-remain-will-never-know-the-devastating-ef/

Makes you wonder why Priti voted in favour of significant cuts in public spending, doesn't it?

Sunil_Prasannan said:

viewcode said:

Plato_Says said:

h ttps://twitter.com/DJack_Journo/status/736661638342922240

THAT 2015 BREXIT CAMPAIGN ARGUMENT IN FULL
We wish to withdraw and pursue a relationship with the rest of the world in a spirit of honest competition and free trade, concentrating on our historic allies and expanding markets

THAT 2016 BREXIT CAMPAIGN ARGUMENT IN FULL
Migrants migrants migrants migrants migrants migrants look look look look foreigners foreigners foreigners foreigners ew ew ew ew whiff-waff ew ew ew aaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrgh MIGRANTS!

h ttps://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/734315730703945728

That's not actually a denial, is it?

NickPalmer said:

AnneJGP said:

Maybe the people I meet with every day are far from being typical - if any of them have an opinion, it isn't one they choose to talk about. Really, I don't think I've ever heard anyone mention it.

That's interesting. I wonder if there's a London/non-London difference (if you're outside London)? I'm interested enough but I'm getting bored with how often it comes up in everyday conversations over the poker table, in work contexts, etc. And when I was canvassing last week, 95% had a definite opinion.

What are others finding in their non-political social circle?

Almost non-existent here in Leamington Spa. I have not heard it mentioned.

https://twitter.com/DanHannanMEP/status/736558147129597952

weejonnie said:

viewcode said:

Plato_Says said:

h ttps://twitter.com/DJack_Journo/status/736661638342922240

THAT 2015 BREXIT CAMPAIGN ARGUMENT IN FULL
We wish to withdraw and pursue a relationship with the rest of the world in a spirit of honest competition and free trade, concentrating on our historic allies and expanding markets

THAT 2016 BREXIT CAMPAIGN ARGUMENT IN FULL
Migrants migrants migrants migrants migrants migrants look look look look foreigners foreigners foreigners foreigners ew ew ew ew whiff-waff ew ew ew aaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrgh MIGRANTS!

Remain have been pushing their strongest suit for the last 8 weeks - now it is Leave's turn to push theirs- and from what you've written you are s**t scared it will work.

It reminds me of the honking when Boris declared for Leave.

BenedictWhite said:

SouthamObserver said:

Plato_Says said:

It's hotting up

Priti's 2p

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/28/the-wealthy-leaders-of-remain-will-never-know-the-devastating-ef/

Makes you wonder why Priti voted in favour of significant cuts in public spending, doesn't it?

Because there wan't enough money to pay for it?

No, there were other priorities. These included eliminating the deficit by 2020, on the back of high levels of immigration - something else Priti voted in favour of.

NickPalmer said:

AnneJGP said:

Maybe the people I meet with every day are far from being typical - if any of them have an opinion, it isn't one they choose to talk about. Really, I don't think I've ever heard anyone mention it.

That's interesting. I wonder if there's a London/non-London difference (if you're outside London)? I'm interested enough but I'm getting bored with how often it comes up in everyday conversations over the poker table, in work contexts, etc. And when I was canvassing last week, 95% had a definite opinion.

What are others finding in their non-political social circle?

I have only heard about it twice in conversations that I have not initiated. On medical colleague for Leave and one Nurse for Remain.

No posters anywhere that I can see, and only one leaflet (grass roots out); and the Britain First demo in the city centre, ostensibly for Leave, though getting a very hostile reception so most likely benefitting Remain.

People will vote though, just not sure how.

viewcode said:

weejonnie said:

viewcode said:

Plato_Says said:

h ttps://twitter.com/DJack_Journo/status/736661638342922240

THAT 2015 BREXIT CAMPAIGN ARGUMENT IN FULL
We wish to withdraw and pursue a relationship with the rest of the world in a spirit of honest competition and free trade, concentrating on our historic allies and expanding markets

THAT 2016 BREXIT CAMPAIGN ARGUMENT IN FULL
Migrants migrants migrants migrants migrants migrants look look look look foreigners foreigners foreigners foreigners ew ew ew ew whiff-waff ew ew ew aaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrgh MIGRANTS!

Remain have been pushing their strongest suit for the last 8 weeks - now it is Leave's turn to push theirs- and from what you've written you are s**t scared it will work.

That's not actually a denial, is it?

Vote leave have kept well away from immigration since the start of the campaign - until the Government spin machine got turned off. (Obviously GO have been pushing that button).

viewcode said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

viewcode said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

viewcode said:

Plato_Says said:

h ttps://twitter.com/DJack_Journo/status/736661638342922240

THAT 2015 BREXIT CAMPAIGN ARGUMENT IN FULL
We wish to withdraw and pursue a relationship with the rest of the world in a spirit of honest competition and free trade, concentrating on our historic allies and expanding markets

THAT 2016 BREXIT CAMPAIGN ARGUMENT IN FULL
Migrants migrants migrants migrants migrants migrants look look look look foreigners foreigners foreigners foreigners ew ew ew ew whiff-waff ew ew ew aaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrgh MIGRANTS!

h ttps://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/734315730703945728

That's not actually a denial, is it?

Denial that you're an unthinking Europhile?

I was referring to the fact that the current Brexit campaign is overwhelmingly (wholly?) based on incessantly pointing at migrants.

No, its at immigration and the free movement of people not migrants themselves.

Remain have the totally naïve view that immigrants magically appear at 9.00am, contribute to the UK economy and then equally magically vanish at 5.00pm.

Presumably they must think that there are shanty towns around the major UK cities that house them - well there are!

Once you realise how stupid their position is, voting leave naturally follows.

BenedictWhite said:

viewcode said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

viewcode said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

viewcode said:

Plato_Says said:

h ttps://twitter.com/DJack_Journo/status/736661638342922240

THAT 2015 BREXIT CAMPAIGN ARGUMENT IN FULL
We wish to withdraw and pursue a relationship with the rest of the world in a spirit of honest competition and free trade, concentrating on our historic allies and expanding markets

THAT 2016 BREXIT CAMPAIGN ARGUMENT IN FULL
Migrants migrants migrants migrants migrants migrants look look look look foreigners foreigners foreigners foreigners ew ew ew ew whiff-waff ew ew ew aaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrgh MIGRANTS!

h ttps://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/734315730703945728

That's not actually a denial, is it?

Denial that you're an unthinking Europhile?

I was referring to the fact that the current Brexit campaign is overwhelmingly (wholly?) based on incessantly pointing at migrants.

No, its at immigration and the free movement of people not migrants themselves.

A distinction without a difference.

weejonnie said:

Remain have the totally naïve view that immigrants magically appear at 9.00am, contribute to the UK economy and then equally magically vanish at 5.00pm.

Presumably they must think that there are shanty towns around the major UK cities that house them - well there are!

Once you realise how stupid their position is, voting leave naturally follows.

You vote Remain or Leave for whatever reasons you see fit, it's a free country. But my point (that Brexit's current campaign is overwhelmingly based on incessantly pointing at migrants) still stands.

Plato_Says said:

weejonnie said:

Remain have the totally naïve view that immigrants magically appear at 9.00am, contribute to the UK economy and then equally magically vanish at 5.00pm.

Presumably they must think that there are shanty towns around the major UK cities that house them - well there are!

Once you realise how stupid their position is, voting leave naturally follows.

I believe they live in the woods, never get sick, pregnant, old, need the police or schools...

Do you believe they pay taxes?

Why did you support a government whose entire economic and fiscal policy is based on high levels of immigration?

viewcode said:

BenedictWhite said:

viewcode said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

viewcode said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

viewcode said:

Plato_Says said:

h ttps://twitter.com/DJack_Journo/status/736661638342922240

THAT 2015 BREXIT CAMPAIGN ARGUMENT IN FULL
We wish to withdraw and pursue a relationship with the rest of the world in a spirit of honest competition and free trade, concentrating on our historic allies and expanding markets

THAT 2016 BREXIT CAMPAIGN ARGUMENT IN FULL
Migrants migrants migrants migrants migrants migrants look look look look foreigners foreigners foreigners foreigners ew ew ew ew whiff-waff ew ew ew aaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrgh MIGRANTS!

h ttps://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/734315730703945728

That's not actually a denial, is it?

Denial that you're an unthinking Europhile?

I was referring to the fact that the current Brexit campaign is overwhelmingly (wholly?) based on incessantly pointing at migrants.

No, its at immigration and the free movement of people not migrants themselves.

A distinction without a difference.

In your mind. Not mine.

"Campaign sources told Sky News that Vote Leavers were going to ramp up the attacks on Mr Osborne, arguing his national living wage will fuel even higher levels of immigration and leave British workers competing for jobs with EU nationals if the UK remains in the EU."

http://news.sky.com/story/1702665/eu-leavers-to-press-economic-case-for-brexit

BenedictWhite said:

SouthamObserver said:

Plato_Says said:

weejonnie said:

Remain have the totally naïve view that immigrants magically appear at 9.00am, contribute to the UK economy and then equally magically vanish at 5.00pm.

Presumably they must think that there are shanty towns around the major UK cities that house them - well there are!

Once you realise how stupid their position is, voting leave naturally follows.

I believe they live in the woods, never get sick, pregnant, old, need the police or schools...

Do you believe they pay taxes?

Why did you support a government whose entire economic and fiscal policy is based on high levels of immigration?

Those that are not on minimum wage or paid cash in hand do pay taxes.

As for economic policy based on high immigration, to a point they inherited high immigration, and I'm not sure the treasury economic policy is based on anything.

Certainly not on economics. However I am sure someone said that the Government would cut levels of immigration to the tens of thousands - the name escapes me for the moment.

Plato_Says said:

"Campaign sources told Sky News that Vote Leavers were going to ramp up the attacks on Mr Osborne, arguing his national living wage will fuel even higher levels of immigration and leave British workers competing for jobs with EU nationals if the UK remains in the EU."

http://news.sky.com/story/1702665/eu-leavers-to-press-economic-case-for-brexit

As that young lady pointed out so many weeks ago on Question Time. (how on EARTH did she get past the BBC moderators?)

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2016/02/25/bbc-question-time-brexit-argument-passionate-young-woman-video_n_9321398.html

Plato_Says said:

"Campaign sources told Sky News that Vote Leavers were going to ramp up the attacks on Mr Osborne, arguing his national living wage will fuel even higher levels of immigration and leave British workers competing for jobs with EU nationals if the UK remains in the EU."

http://news.sky.com/story/1702665/eu-leavers-to-press-economic-case-for-brexit

That's more like it.

weejonnie said:

BenedictWhite said:

SouthamObserver said:

Plato_Says said:

weejonnie said:

Remain have the totally naïve view that immigrants magically appear at 9.00am, contribute to the UK economy and then equally magically vanish at 5.00pm.

Presumably they must think that there are shanty towns around the major UK cities that house them - well there are!

Once you realise how stupid their position is, voting leave naturally follows.

I believe they live in the woods, never get sick, pregnant, old, need the police or schools...

Do you believe they pay taxes?

Why did you support a government whose entire economic and fiscal policy is based on high levels of immigration?

Those that are not on minimum wage or paid cash in hand do pay taxes.

As for economic policy based on high immigration, to a point they inherited high immigration, and I'm not sure the treasury economic policy is based on anything.

Certainly not on economics. However I am sure someone said that the Government would cut levels of immigration to the tens of thousands - the name escapes me for the moment.

Yes, the government of which Priti, IDS, Gove etc were a part of - and which many Leavers on here so vocally supported until just a few weeks ago - basically lied to the British people.

BenedictWhite said:

SouthamObserver said:

BenedictWhite said:

SouthamObserver said:

Plato_Says said:

weejonnie said:

Remain have the totally naïve view that immigrants magically appear at 9.00am, contribute to the UK economy and then equally magically vanish at 5.00pm.

Presumably they must think that there are shanty towns around the major UK cities that house them - well there are!

Once you realise how stupid their position is, voting leave naturally follows.

I believe they live in the woods, never get sick, pregnant, old, need the police or schools...

Do you believe they pay taxes?

Why did you support a government whose entire economic and fiscal policy is based on high levels of immigration?

Those that are not on minimum wage or paid cash in hand do pay taxes.

As for economic policy based on high immigration, to a point they inherited high immigration, and I'm not sure the treasury economic policy is based on anything.

It's all there in black and white from the OBR:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/cutting-immigration-would-mean-higher-taxes-or-deeper-spending-cuts-obr-warns-a6956311.html

Leavers so concerned about public services should explain how they will be paid for when the tax money generated by EU immigrants starts to decline.

According the the Remain side, wages (particularly at the lower end I presume) will rise so people will pay more taxes.

Not according to the OBR:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/cutting-immigration-would-mean-higher-taxes-or-deeper-spending-cuts-obr-warns-a6956311.html

SouthamObserver said:

BenedictWhite said:

SouthamObserver said:

Plato_Says said:

weejonnie said:

Remain have the totally naïve view that immigrants magically appear at 9.00am, contribute to the UK economy and then equally magically vanish at 5.00pm.

Presumably they must think that there are shanty towns around the major UK cities that house them - well there are!

Once you realise how stupid their position is, voting leave naturally follows.

I believe they live in the woods, never get sick, pregnant, old, need the police or schools...

Do you believe they pay taxes?

Why did you support a government whose entire economic and fiscal policy is based on high levels of immigration?

Those that are not on minimum wage or paid cash in hand do pay taxes.

As for economic policy based on high immigration, to a point they inherited high immigration, and I'm not sure the treasury economic policy is based on anything.

It's all there in black and white from the OBR:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/cutting-immigration-would-mean-higher-taxes-or-deeper-spending-cuts-obr-warns-a6956311.html

Leavers so concerned about public services should explain how they will be paid for when the tax money generated by EU immigrants starts to decline.

Oh dear - someone please read something abut velocity of money. NB - the money supply in the UK is dropping because so many immigrants send it abroad to be spent in their own countries. (Not that I blame them individually).

VapidBilge said:

SouthamObserver said:

Plato_Says said:

It's hotting up

Priti's 2p

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/28/the-wealthy-leaders-of-remain-will-never-know-the-devastating-ef/

Makes you wonder why Priti voted in favour of significant cuts in public spending, doesn't it?

Perhaps because your lot messed up the public finances.

Nope, it was a choice: to hit Osborne's deficit reduction plan; the one dependent on high levels of immigration. I'm afraid Priti is a hypocrite. She cares so much about the public services ordinary people rely on that she voted to cut them.

weejonnie said:

SouthamObserver said:

weejonnie said:

BenedictWhite said:

SouthamObserver said:

Plato_Says said:

weejonnie said:

Remain have the totally naïve view that immigrants magically appear at 9.00am, contribute to the UK economy and then equally magically vanish at 5.00pm.

Presumably they must think that there are shanty towns around the major UK cities that house them - well there are!

Once you realise how stupid their position is, voting leave naturally follows.

I believe they live in the woods, never get sick, pregnant, old, need the police or schools...

Do you believe they pay taxes?

Why did you support a government whose entire economic and fiscal policy is based on high levels of immigration?

Those that are not on minimum wage or paid cash in hand do pay taxes.

As for economic policy based on high immigration, to a point they inherited high immigration, and I'm not sure the treasury economic policy is based on anything.

Certainly not on economics. However I am sure someone said that the Government would cut levels of immigration to the tens of thousands - the name escapes me for the moment.

Yes, the government of which Priti, IDS, Gove etc were a part of - and which many Leavers on here so vocally supported until just a few weeks ago - basically lied to the British people.

Something about collective responsibility IIRC - basically if you were in the Government then you had to support it. That rule was specifically withdrawn for the referendum.

If you know the government is lying you point it out and resign. If you don't you are part of the lie.

foxinsoxuk said:

NickPalmer said:

AnneJGP said:

Maybe the people I meet with every day are far from being typical - if any of them have an opinion, it isn't one they choose to talk about. Really, I don't think I've ever heard anyone mention it.

That's interesting. I wonder if there's a London/non-London difference (if you're outside London)? I'm interested enough but I'm getting bored with how often it comes up in everyday conversations over the poker table, in work contexts, etc. And when I was canvassing last week, 95% had a definite opinion.

What are others finding in their non-political social circle?

I have only heard about it twice in conversations that I have not initiated. On medical colleague for Leave and one Nurse for Remain.

No posters anywhere that I can see, and only one leaflet (grass roots out); and the Britain First demo in the city centre, ostensibly for Leave, though getting a very hostile reception so most likely benefitting Remain.

People will vote though, just not sure how.

I'm not so sure. Seems to me that if people aren't interested enough even to chat about it casually, it's a bit of a stretch to deduce they're intending to turn out & vote but just don't know which way.

BenedictWhite said:

SouthamObserver said:

BenedictWhite said:

SouthamObserver said:

BenedictWhite said:

SouthamObserver said:

Plato_Says said:

weejonnie said:

Remain have the totally naïve view that immigrants magically appear at 9.00am, contribute to the UK economy and then equally magically vanish at 5.00pm.

Presumably they must think that there are shanty towns around the major UK cities that house them - well there are!

Once you realise how stupid their position is, voting leave naturally follows.

I believe they live in the woods, never get sick, pregnant, old, need the police or schools...

Do you believe they pay taxes?

Why did you support a government whose entire economic and fiscal policy is based on high levels of immigration?

Those that are not on minimum wage or paid cash in hand do pay taxes.

As for economic policy based on high immigration, to a point they inherited high immigration, and I'm not sure the treasury economic policy is based on anything.

It's all there in black and white from the OBR:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/cutting-immigration-would-mean-higher-taxes-or-deeper-spending-cuts-obr-warns-a6956311.html

Leavers so concerned about public services should explain how they will be paid for when the tax money generated by EU immigrants starts to decline.

According the the Remain side, wages (particularly at the lower end I presume) will rise so people will pay more taxes.

Not according to the OBR:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/cutting-immigration-would-mean-higher-taxes-or-deeper-spending-cuts-obr-warns-a6956311.html

No, it's according to remain. Sir Stuart Rose,

Who? When was he last seen in public? I'll go with the OBR. Presumably, you believe they are yet another institution that is compromised and cannot be trusted.

SouthamObserver said:

weejonnie said:

SouthamObserver said:

weejonnie said:

BenedictWhite said:

SouthamObserver said:

Plato_Says said:

weejonnie said:

Remain have the totally naïve view that immigrants magically appear at 9.00am, contribute to the UK economy and then equally magically vanish at 5.00pm.

Presumably they must think that there are shanty towns around the major UK cities that house them - well there are!

Once you realise how stupid their position is, voting leave naturally follows.

I believe they live in the woods, never get sick, pregnant, old, need the police or schools...

Do you believe they pay taxes?

Why did you support a government whose entire economic and fiscal policy is based on high levels of immigration?

Those that are not on minimum wage or paid cash in hand do pay taxes.

As for economic policy based on high immigration, to a point they inherited high immigration, and I'm not sure the treasury economic policy is based on anything.

Certainly not on economics. However I am sure someone said that the Government would cut levels of immigration to the tens of thousands - the name escapes me for the moment.

Yes, the government of which Priti, IDS, Gove etc were a part of - and which many Leavers on here so vocally supported until just a few weeks ago - basically lied to the British people.

Something about collective responsibility IIRC - basically if you were in the Government then you had to support it. That rule was specifically withdrawn for the referendum.

If you know the government is lying you point it out and resign. If you don't you are part of the lie.

You mean like IDS did? Anyway I don't mind - the more the Government is tarred with lying the better for Leave.

SouthamObserver said:

VapidBilge said:

SouthamObserver said:

BenedictWhite said:

SouthamObserver said:

Plato_Says said:

weejonnie said:

Remain have the totally naïve view that immigrants magically appear at 9.00am, contribute to the UK economy and then equally magically vanish at 5.00pm.

Presumably they must think that there are shanty towns around the major UK cities that house them - well there are!

Once you realise how stupid their position is, voting leave naturally follows.

I believe they live in the woods, never get sick, pregnant, old, need the police or schools...

Do you believe they pay taxes?

Why did you support a government whose entire economic and fiscal policy is based on high levels of immigration?

Those that are not on minimum wage or paid cash in hand do pay taxes.

As for economic policy based on high immigration, to a point they inherited high immigration, and I'm not sure the treasury economic policy is based on anything.

It's all there in black and white from the OBR:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/cutting-immigration-would-mean-higher-taxes-or-deeper-spending-cuts-obr-warns-a6956311.html

Leavers so concerned about public services should explain how they will be paid for when the tax money generated by EU immigrants starts to decline.

A scoundrel's argument.

You have to take into account the services they consume as well: NHS, schools and housing, perhaps.

I agree. And the evidence is that they put in more than they take out.

http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/329 - although not an unbiased source (as if there are any).

SouthamObserver said:

BenedictWhite said:

SouthamObserver said:

BenedictWhite said:

SouthamObserver said:

BenedictWhite said:

SouthamObserver said:

Plato_Says said:

weejonnie said:

Remain have the totally naïve view that immigrants magically appear at 9.00am, contribute to the UK economy and then equally magically vanish at 5.00pm.

Presumably they must think that there are shanty towns around the major UK cities that house them - well there are!

Once you realise how stupid their position is, voting leave naturally follows.

I believe they live in the woods, never get sick, pregnant, old, need the police or schools...

Do you believe they pay taxes?

Why did you support a government whose entire economic and fiscal policy is based on high levels of immigration?

Those that are not on minimum wage or paid cash in hand do pay taxes.

As for economic policy based on high immigration, to a point they inherited high immigration, and I'm not sure the treasury economic policy is based on anything.

It's all there in black and white from the OBR:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/cutting-immigration-would-mean-higher-taxes-or-deeper-spending-cuts-obr-warns-a6956311.html

Leavers so concerned about public services should explain how they will be paid for when the tax money generated by EU immigrants starts to decline.

According the the Remain side, wages (particularly at the lower end I presume) will rise so people will pay more taxes.

Not according to the OBR:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/cutting-immigration-would-mean-higher-taxes-or-deeper-spending-cuts-obr-warns-a6956311.html

No, it's according to remain. Sir Stuart Rose,

Who? When was he last seen in public? I'll go with the OBR. Presumably, you believe they are yet another institution that is compromised and cannot be trusted.

The head of the Stronger in campaign, Sir Stuart Rose formerly of Marks and Spencers. Not seen much since the treasury select committee where he said not much would change in the first 5 years of Brexit but wages would go up.

As for the OBR, they can only tell you what their models predict.

Have they been any good at predicting how the deficit would be reduced or the economy would grow in he last 5 years?

weejonnie said:

SouthamObserver said:

weejonnie said:

SouthamObserver said:

weejonnie said:

BenedictWhite said:

SouthamObserver said:

Plato_Says said:

weejonnie said:

Remain have the totally naïve view that immigrants magically appear at 9.00am, contribute to the UK economy and then equally magically vanish at 5.00pm.

Presumably they must think that there are shanty towns around the major UK cities that house them - well there are!

Once you realise how stupid their position is, voting leave naturally follows.

I believe they live in the woods, never get sick, pregnant, old, need the police or schools...

Do you believe they pay taxes?

Why did you support a government whose entire economic and fiscal policy is based on high levels of immigration?

Those that are not on minimum wage or paid cash in hand do pay taxes.

As for economic policy based on high immigration, to a point they inherited high immigration, and I'm not sure the treasury economic policy is based on anything.

Certainly not on economics. However I am sure someone said that the Government would cut levels of immigration to the tens of thousands - the name escapes me for the moment.

Yes, the government of which Priti, IDS, Gove etc were a part of - and which many Leavers on here so vocally supported until just a few weeks ago - basically lied to the British people.

Something about collective responsibility IIRC - basically if you were in the Government then you had to support it. That rule was specifically withdrawn for the referendum.

If you know the government is lying you point it out and resign. If you don't you are part of the lie.

You mean like IDS did? Anyway I don't mind - the more the Government is tarred with lying the better for Leave.

Completely agree. My point is that the Tory Leavers are hypocrites, not that their hypocrisy won't be effective. I have always expected Leave to win and still do.

SouthamObserver said:

weejonnie said:

SouthamObserver said:

weejonnie said:

SouthamObserver said:

weejonnie said:

BenedictWhite said:

SouthamObserver said:

Plato_Says said:

weejonnie said:

Remain have the totally naïve view that immigrants magically appear at 9.00am, contribute to the UK economy and then equally magically vanish at 5.00pm.

Presumably they must think that there are shanty towns around the major UK cities that house them - well there are!

Once you realise how stupid their position is, voting leave naturally follows.

I believe they live in the woods, never get sick, pregnant, old, need the police or schools...

Do you believe they pay taxes?

Why did you support a government whose entire economic and fiscal policy is based on high levels of immigration?

Those that are not on minimum wage or paid cash in hand do pay taxes.

As for economic policy based on high immigration, to a point they inherited high immigration, and I'm not sure the treasury economic policy is based on anything.

Certainly not on economics. However I am sure someone said that the Government would cut levels of immigration to the tens of thousands - the name escapes me for the moment.

Yes, the government of which Priti, IDS, Gove etc were a part of - and which many Leavers on here so vocally supported until just a few weeks ago - basically lied to the British people.

Something about collective responsibility IIRC - basically if you were in the Government then you had to support it. That rule was specifically withdrawn for the referendum.

If you know the government is lying you point it out and resign. If you don't you are part of the lie.

You mean like IDS did? Anyway I don't mind - the more the Government is tarred with lying the better for Leave.

Completely agree. My point is that the Tory Leavers are hypocrites, not that their hypocrisy won't be effective. I have always expected Leave to win and still do.

Bloody hell. Do you?

One of the few remainers to take that view here.

BenedictWhite said:

SouthamObserver said:

weejonnie said:

SouthamObserver said:

weejonnie said:

SouthamObserver said:

weejonnie said:

BenedictWhite said:

SouthamObserver said:

Plato_Says said:

weejonnie said:

Remain have the totally naïve view that immigrants magically appear at 9.00am, contribute to the UK economy and then equally magically vanish at 5.00pm.

Presumably they must think that there are shanty towns around the major UK cities that house them - well there are!

Once you realise how stupid their position is, voting leave naturally follows.

I believe they live in the woods, never get sick, pregnant, old, need the police or schools...

Do you believe they pay taxes?

Why did you support a government whose entire economic and fiscal policy is based on high levels of immigration?

Those that are not on minimum wage or paid cash in hand do pay taxes.

As for economic policy based on high immigration, to a point they inherited high immigration, and I'm not sure the treasury economic policy is based on anything.

Certainly not on economics. However I am sure someone said that the Government would cut levels of immigration to the tens of thousands - the name escapes me for the moment.

Yes, the government of which Priti, IDS, Gove etc were a part of - and which many Leavers on here so vocally supported until just a few weeks ago - basically lied to the British people.

Something about collective responsibility IIRC - basically if you were in the Government then you had to support it. That rule was specifically withdrawn for the referendum.

If you know the government is lying you point it out and resign. If you don't you are part of the lie.

You mean like IDS did? Anyway I don't mind - the more the Government is tarred with lying the better for Leave.

Completely agree. My point is that the Tory Leavers are hypocrites, not that their hypocrisy won't be effective. I have always expected Leave to win and still do.

Bloody hell. Do you?

One of the few remainers to take that view here.

Yep - it'll be very tight, but immigration is the killer for Remain. George & Dave are reaping what they sowed.

BenedictWhite said:

SouthamObserver said:

VapidBilge said:

SouthamObserver said:

BenedictWhite said:

SouthamObserver said:

Plato_Says said:

weejonnie said:

Remain have the totally naïve view that immigrants magically appear at 9.00am, contribute to the UK economy and then equally magically vanish at 5.00pm.

Presumably they must think that there are shanty towns around the major UK cities that house them - well there are!

Once you realise how stupid their position is, voting leave naturally follows.

I believe they live in the woods, never get sick, pregnant, old, need the police or schools...

Do you believe they pay taxes?

Why did you support a government whose entire economic and fiscal policy is based on high levels of immigration?

Those that are not on minimum wage or paid cash in hand do pay taxes.

As for economic policy based on high immigration, to a point they inherited high immigration, and I'm not sure the treasury economic policy is based on anything.

It's all there in black and white from the OBR:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/cutting-immigration-would-mean-higher-taxes-or-deeper-spending-cuts-obr-warns-a6956311.html

Leavers so concerned about public services should explain how they will be paid for when the tax money generated by EU immigrants starts to decline.

A scoundrel's argument.

You have to take into account the services they consume as well: NHS, schools and housing, perhaps.

I agree. And the evidence is that they put in more than they take out.

No, That evidence suggests that those who pay tax, get less out in child benefit and tax credits.

It says nothing about how much they use or don't use services. So there is no actual evidence either way.

It could be your right and they don't use any.

My money is that they use quite a bit.

I think it's important to separate EU and non-EU immigration. The costs of the latter are far higher because so many more non-EU immigrants are unproductive.