It must have escaped Remain's notice that the only time England has hosted a World Cup was before we joined the Common Market.
The only time we WON the World Cup was before we joined the Common Market!
We only win world cups under Labour governments.
Football 1966
Rugby 2003
Not true - world T20 title was won on the 16th May 2010, in the first week of the Coalition. That's worth a dozen world cups in a rubbishy sport like football as well
How many of our fellow EU nations play Cricket anyway?
It must have escaped Remain's notice that the only time England has hosted a World Cup was before we joined the Common Market.
The only time we WON the World Cup was before we joined the Common Market!
We only win world cups under Labour governments.
Football 1966
Rugby 2003
Not true - world T20 title was won on the 16th May 2010, in the first week of the Coalition. That's worth a dozen world cups in a rubbishy sport like football as well
How many of our fellow EU nations play Cricket anyway?
The Netherlands, - who are to cricket what Italy is to Rugby
From the reports in the press it looks as if the remain campaign is struggling to find votes anywhere - they are begging on hands and knees for the younger naïve voters to come out. What next - promise them extra grants at University if Remain wins?
Have we head a 'Brexit could for universities to close' headline yet?
Brexit will disable your PS4 and block online porn.
It will be a never ending diet of Mills & Boon or Barbara Cartland.
Brexit means your mother will buy all your clothes.
And children won't be able to have ice cream any more.
It must have escaped Remain's notice that the only time England has hosted a World Cup was before we joined the Common Market.
The only time we WON the World Cup was before we joined the Common Market!
We only win world cups under Labour governments.
Football 1966
Rugby 2003
Not true - world T20 title was won on the 16th May 2010, in the first week of the Coalition. That's worth a dozen world cups in a rubbishy sport like football as well
How many of our fellow EU nations play Cricket anyway?
If only it wasn't likely to prove counter-productive, one could work up a nice little spoof about the EU intending to ban cricket.
From the reports in the press it looks as if the remain campaign is struggling to find votes anywhere - they are begging on hands and knees for the younger naïve voters to come out. What next - promise them extra grants at University if Remain wins?
Have we head a 'Brexit could for universities to close' headline yet?
Brexit will disable your PS4 and block online porn.
It will be a never ending diet of Mills & Boon or Barbara Cartland.
Brexit means your mother will buy all your clothes.
And children won't be able to have ice cream any more.
FPT I can't see any reason why UKIP should be just about to vanish, other than wishful thinking from Lib Dems who think they're on the cusp of a major breakthrough.
At every round of elections post 2012, UKIP have enjoyed a net gain.
FPT I can't see any reason why UKIP should be just about to vanish, other than wishful thinking from Lib Dems who think they're on the cusp of a major breakthrough.
At every round of elections post 2012, UKIP have enjoyed a net gain.
I think you'll find that UKIP has fewer council seats than it did a year ago. It simply hasn't found a way of holding on at by-elections.
UKIP had a net gain of 26 this year.
In the last year UKIP lost 13 council seats in by elections and around 25-30 councillors through defection to other parties so Mike is correct UKIP have fewer councillors now than a year ago .
h ttps://twitter.com/DJack_Journo/status/736661638342922240
THAT 2015 BREXIT CAMPAIGN ARGUMENT IN FULL We wish to withdraw and pursue a relationship with the rest of the world in a spirit of honest competition and free trade, concentrating on our historic allies and expanding markets
THAT 2016 BREXIT CAMPAIGN ARGUMENT IN FULL Migrants migrants migrants migrants migrants migrants look look look look foreigners foreigners foreigners foreigners ew ew ew ew whiff-waff ew ew ew aaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrgh MIGRANTS!
It must have escaped Remain's notice that the only time England has hosted a World Cup was before we joined the Common Market.
The only time we WON the World Cup was before we joined the Common Market!
We only win world cups under Labour governments.
Football 1966
Rugby 2003
Not true - world T20 title was won on the 16th May 2010, in the first week of the Coalition. That's worth a dozen world cups in a rubbishy sport like football as well
How many of our fellow EU nations play Cricket anyway?
Hitler banned cricket I wish the E.U would do the same!
It must have escaped Remain's notice that the only time England has hosted a World Cup was before we joined the Common Market.
The only time we WON the World Cup was before we joined the Common Market!
We only win world cups under Labour governments.
Football 1966
Rugby 2003
Not true - world T20 title was won on the 16th May 2010, in the first week of the Coalition. That's worth a dozen world cups in a rubbishy sport like football as well
How many of our fellow EU nations play Cricket anyway?
Hitler banned cricket I wish the E.U would do the same!
Incoming Ken....to tell us it was actually the Jews fault...
h ttps://twitter.com/DJack_Journo/status/736661638342922240
THAT 2015 BREXIT CAMPAIGN ARGUMENT IN FULL We wish to withdraw and pursue a relationship with the rest of the world in a spirit of honest competition and free trade, concentrating on our historic allies and expanding markets
THAT 2016 BREXIT CAMPAIGN ARGUMENT IN FULL Migrants migrants migrants migrants migrants migrants look look look look foreigners foreigners foreigners foreigners ew ew ew ew whiff-waff ew ew ew aaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrgh MIGRANTS!
Remain have been pushing their strongest suit for the last 8 weeks - now it is Leave's turn to push theirs- and from what you've written you are s**t scared it will work.
It must have escaped Remain's notice that the only time England has hosted a World Cup was before we joined the Common Market.
The only time we WON the World Cup was before we joined the Common Market!
We only win world cups under Labour governments.
Football 1966
Rugby 2003
Not true - world T20 title was won on the 16th May 2010, in the first week of the Coalition. That's worth a dozen world cups in a rubbishy sport like football as well
How many of our fellow EU nations play Cricket anyway?
Hitler banned cricket I wish the E.U would do the same!
Incoming Ken....to tell us it was actually the Jews fault...
It must have escaped Remain's notice that the only time England has hosted a World Cup was before we joined the Common Market.
The only time we WON the World Cup was before we joined the Common Market!
We only win world cups under Labour governments.
Football 1966
Rugby 2003
Not true - world T20 title was won on the 16th May 2010, in the first week of the Coalition. That's worth a dozen world cups in a rubbishy sport like football as well
How many of our fellow EU nations play Cricket anyway?
The Netherlands, - who are to cricket what Italy is to Rugby
It must have escaped Remain's notice that the only time England has hosted a World Cup was before we joined the Common Market.
The only time we WON the World Cup was before we joined the Common Market!
We only win world cups under Labour governments.
Football 1966
Rugby 2003
Not true - world T20 title was won on the 16th May 2010, in the first week of the Coalition. That's worth a dozen world cups in a rubbishy sport like football as well
How many of our fellow EU nations play Cricket anyway?
The Netherlands, - who are to cricket what Italy is to Rugby
h ttps://twitter.com/DJack_Journo/status/736661638342922240
THAT 2015 BREXIT CAMPAIGN ARGUMENT IN FULL We wish to withdraw and pursue a relationship with the rest of the world in a spirit of honest competition and free trade, concentrating on our historic allies and expanding markets
THAT 2016 BREXIT CAMPAIGN ARGUMENT IN FULL Migrants migrants migrants migrants migrants migrants look look look look foreigners foreigners foreigners foreigners ew ew ew ew whiff-waff ew ew ew aaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrgh MIGRANTS!
h ttps://twitter.com/DJack_Journo/status/736661638342922240
THAT 2015 BREXIT CAMPAIGN ARGUMENT IN FULL We wish to withdraw and pursue a relationship with the rest of the world in a spirit of honest competition and free trade, concentrating on our historic allies and expanding markets
THAT 2016 BREXIT CAMPAIGN ARGUMENT IN FULL Migrants migrants migrants migrants migrants migrants look look look look foreigners foreigners foreigners foreigners ew ew ew ew whiff-waff ew ew ew aaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrgh MIGRANTS!
Remain have been pushing their strongest suit for the last 8 weeks - now it is Leave's turn to push theirs- and from what you've written you are s**t scared it will work.
It must have escaped Remain's notice that the only time England has hosted a World Cup was before we joined the Common Market.
The only time we WON the World Cup was before we joined the Common Market!
We only win world cups under Labour governments.
Football 1966
Rugby 2003
Not true - world T20 title was won on the 16th May 2010, in the first week of the Coalition. That's worth a dozen world cups in a rubbishy sport like football as well
How many of our fellow EU nations play Cricket anyway?
The Netherlands, - who are to cricket what Italy is to Rugby
Maybe the people I meet with every day are far from being typical - if any of them have an opinion, it isn't one they choose to talk about. Really, I don't think I've ever heard anyone mention it.
That's interesting. I wonder if there's a London/non-London difference (if you're outside London)? I'm interested enough but I'm getting bored with how often it comes up in everyday conversations over the poker table, in work contexts, etc. And when I was canvassing last week, 95% had a definite opinion.
What are others finding in their non-political social circle?
h ttps://twitter.com/DJack_Journo/status/736661638342922240
THAT 2015 BREXIT CAMPAIGN ARGUMENT IN FULL We wish to withdraw and pursue a relationship with the rest of the world in a spirit of honest competition and free trade, concentrating on our historic allies and expanding markets
THAT 2016 BREXIT CAMPAIGN ARGUMENT IN FULL Migrants migrants migrants migrants migrants migrants look look look look foreigners foreigners foreigners foreigners ew ew ew ew whiff-waff ew ew ew aaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrgh MIGRANTS!
h ttps://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/734315730703945728
h ttps://twitter.com/DJack_Journo/status/736661638342922240
THAT 2015 BREXIT CAMPAIGN ARGUMENT IN FULL We wish to withdraw and pursue a relationship with the rest of the world in a spirit of honest competition and free trade, concentrating on our historic allies and expanding markets
THAT 2016 BREXIT CAMPAIGN ARGUMENT IN FULL Migrants migrants migrants migrants migrants migrants look look look look foreigners foreigners foreigners foreigners ew ew ew ew whiff-waff ew ew ew aaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrgh MIGRANTS!
h ttps://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/734315730703945728
Maybe the people I meet with every day are far from being typical - if any of them have an opinion, it isn't one they choose to talk about. Really, I don't think I've ever heard anyone mention it.
That's interesting. I wonder if there's a London/non-London difference (if you're outside London)? I'm interested enough but I'm getting bored with how often it comes up in everyday conversations over the poker table, in work contexts, etc. And when I was canvassing last week, 95% had a definite opinion.
What are others finding in their non-political social circle?
Almost non-existent here in Leamington Spa. I have not heard it mentioned.
It must have escaped Remain's notice that the only time England has hosted a World Cup was before we joined the Common Market.
The only time we WON the World Cup was before we joined the Common Market!
We only win world cups under Labour governments.
Football 1966
Rugby 2003
Not true - world T20 title was won on the 16th May 2010, in the first week of the Coalition. That's worth a dozen world cups in a rubbishy sport like football as well
How many of our fellow EU nations play Cricket anyway?
The Netherlands, - who are to cricket what Italy is to Rugby
h ttps://twitter.com/DJack_Journo/status/736661638342922240
THAT 2015 BREXIT CAMPAIGN ARGUMENT IN FULL We wish to withdraw and pursue a relationship with the rest of the world in a spirit of honest competition and free trade, concentrating on our historic allies and expanding markets
THAT 2016 BREXIT CAMPAIGN ARGUMENT IN FULL Migrants migrants migrants migrants migrants migrants look look look look foreigners foreigners foreigners foreigners ew ew ew ew whiff-waff ew ew ew aaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrgh MIGRANTS!
Remain have been pushing their strongest suit for the last 8 weeks - now it is Leave's turn to push theirs- and from what you've written you are s**t scared it will work.
It reminds me of the honking when Boris declared for Leave.
h ttps://twitter.com/DJack_Journo/status/736661638342922240
THAT 2015 BREXIT CAMPAIGN ARGUMENT IN FULL We wish to withdraw and pursue a relationship with the rest of the world in a spirit of honest competition and free trade, concentrating on our historic allies and expanding markets
THAT 2016 BREXIT CAMPAIGN ARGUMENT IN FULL Migrants migrants migrants migrants migrants migrants look look look look foreigners foreigners foreigners foreigners ew ew ew ew whiff-waff ew ew ew aaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrgh MIGRANTS!
h ttps://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/734315730703945728
That's not actually a denial, is it?
Denial that you're an unthinking Europhile?
I was referring to the fact that the current Brexit campaign is overwhelmingly (wholly?) based on incessantly pointing at migrants.
Makes you wonder why Priti voted in favour of significant cuts in public spending, doesn't it?
Because there wan't enough money to pay for it?
No, there were other priorities. These included eliminating the deficit by 2020, on the back of high levels of immigration - something else Priti voted in favour of.
Maybe the people I meet with every day are far from being typical - if any of them have an opinion, it isn't one they choose to talk about. Really, I don't think I've ever heard anyone mention it.
That's interesting. I wonder if there's a London/non-London difference (if you're outside London)? I'm interested enough but I'm getting bored with how often it comes up in everyday conversations over the poker table, in work contexts, etc. And when I was canvassing last week, 95% had a definite opinion.
What are others finding in their non-political social circle?
Devon (Newton Abbot constituency) so quite a way outside London.
Maybe the people I meet with every day are far from being typical - if any of them have an opinion, it isn't one they choose to talk about. Really, I don't think I've ever heard anyone mention it.
That's interesting. I wonder if there's a London/non-London difference (if you're outside London)? I'm interested enough but I'm getting bored with how often it comes up in everyday conversations over the poker table, in work contexts, etc. And when I was canvassing last week, 95% had a definite opinion.
What are others finding in their non-political social circle?
I have only heard about it twice in conversations that I have not initiated. On medical colleague for Leave and one Nurse for Remain.
No posters anywhere that I can see, and only one leaflet (grass roots out); and the Britain First demo in the city centre, ostensibly for Leave, though getting a very hostile reception so most likely benefitting Remain.
h ttps://twitter.com/DJack_Journo/status/736661638342922240
THAT 2015 BREXIT CAMPAIGN ARGUMENT IN FULL We wish to withdraw and pursue a relationship with the rest of the world in a spirit of honest competition and free trade, concentrating on our historic allies and expanding markets
THAT 2016 BREXIT CAMPAIGN ARGUMENT IN FULL Migrants migrants migrants migrants migrants migrants look look look look foreigners foreigners foreigners foreigners ew ew ew ew whiff-waff ew ew ew aaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrgh MIGRANTS!
h ttps://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/734315730703945728
That's not actually a denial, is it?
Denial that you're an unthinking Europhile?
I was referring to the fact that the current Brexit campaign is overwhelmingly (wholly?) based on incessantly pointing at migrants.
h ttps://twitter.com/DJack_Journo/status/736661638342922240
THAT 2015 BREXIT CAMPAIGN ARGUMENT IN FULL We wish to withdraw and pursue a relationship with the rest of the world in a spirit of honest competition and free trade, concentrating on our historic allies and expanding markets
THAT 2016 BREXIT CAMPAIGN ARGUMENT IN FULL Migrants migrants migrants migrants migrants migrants look look look look foreigners foreigners foreigners foreigners ew ew ew ew whiff-waff ew ew ew aaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrgh MIGRANTS!
Remain have been pushing their strongest suit for the last 8 weeks - now it is Leave's turn to push theirs- and from what you've written you are s**t scared it will work.
That's not actually a denial, is it?
Vote leave have kept well away from immigration since the start of the campaign - until the Government spin machine got turned off. (Obviously GO have been pushing that button).
I think that probably relects the view that people who get ahead do it via other things than working hard. Our Greek doctors are amongst the most industrious in the dept.
Germans and French have higher productivity than us as I recall, so not afraid of hard work!
h ttps://twitter.com/DJack_Journo/status/736661638342922240
THAT 2015 BREXIT CAMPAIGN ARGUMENT IN FULL We wish to withdraw and pursue a relationship with the rest of the world in a spirit of honest competition and free trade, concentrating on our historic allies and expanding markets
THAT 2016 BREXIT CAMPAIGN ARGUMENT IN FULL Migrants migrants migrants migrants migrants migrants look look look look foreigners foreigners foreigners foreigners ew ew ew ew whiff-waff ew ew ew aaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrgh MIGRANTS!
h ttps://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/734315730703945728
That's not actually a denial, is it?
Denial that you're an unthinking Europhile?
I was referring to the fact that the current Brexit campaign is overwhelmingly (wholly?) based on incessantly pointing at migrants.
No, its at immigration and the free movement of people not migrants themselves.
'Jeremy Corbyn faced fresh criticism over his handling of antisemitism allegations after Labour’s sister party in Israel said it had had no reply to a letter its leader sent to him a month ago expressing dismay and inviting him to Jerusalem to see the Yad Vashem Holocaust museum.'
Remain have the totally naïve view that immigrants magically appear at 9.00am, contribute to the UK economy and then equally magically vanish at 5.00pm.
Presumably they must think that there are shanty towns around the major UK cities that house them - well there are!
Once you realise how stupid their position is, voting leave naturally follows.
You can't blame Leave for focusing on immigration, it's their big message. But you can blame the Tory Leavers for their hypocrisy. They have consistently supported cuts in public services that ordinary people rely on, while also supporting a fiscal and economic strategy predicated on high levels of immigration.
h ttps://twitter.com/DJack_Journo/status/736661638342922240
THAT 2015 BREXIT CAMPAIGN ARGUMENT IN FULL We wish to withdraw and pursue a relationship with the rest of the world in a spirit of honest competition and free trade, concentrating on our historic allies and expanding markets
THAT 2016 BREXIT CAMPAIGN ARGUMENT IN FULL Migrants migrants migrants migrants migrants migrants look look look look foreigners foreigners foreigners foreigners ew ew ew ew whiff-waff ew ew ew aaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrgh MIGRANTS!
h ttps://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/734315730703945728
That's not actually a denial, is it?
Denial that you're an unthinking Europhile?
I was referring to the fact that the current Brexit campaign is overwhelmingly (wholly?) based on incessantly pointing at migrants.
No, its at immigration and the free movement of people not migrants themselves.
h ttps://twitter.com/DJack_Journo/status/736661638342922240
THAT 2015 BREXIT CAMPAIGN ARGUMENT IN FULL We wish to withdraw and pursue a relationship with the rest of the world in a spirit of honest competition and free trade, concentrating on our historic allies and expanding markets
THAT 2016 BREXIT CAMPAIGN ARGUMENT IN FULL Migrants migrants migrants migrants migrants migrants look look look look foreigners foreigners foreigners foreigners ew ew ew ew whiff-waff ew ew ew aaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrgh MIGRANTS!
Remain have been pushing their strongest suit for the last 8 weeks - now it is Leave's turn to push theirs- and from what you've written you are s**t scared it will work.
That's not actually a denial, is it?
Vote leave have kept well away from immigration since the start of the campaign - until the Government spin machine got turned off. (Obviously GO have been pushing that button).
Remain have the totally naïve view that immigrants magically appear at 9.00am, contribute to the UK economy and then equally magically vanish at 5.00pm.
Presumably they must think that there are shanty towns around the major UK cities that house them - well there are!
Once you realise how stupid their position is, voting leave naturally follows.
You vote Remain or Leave for whatever reasons you see fit, it's a free country. But my point (that Brexit's current campaign is overwhelmingly based on incessantly pointing at migrants) still stands.
Remain have the totally naïve view that immigrants magically appear at 9.00am, contribute to the UK economy and then equally magically vanish at 5.00pm.
Presumably they must think that there are shanty towns around the major UK cities that house them - well there are!
Once you realise how stupid their position is, voting leave naturally follows.
I believe they live in the woods, never get sick, pregnant, old, need the police or schools...
Remain have the totally naïve view that immigrants magically appear at 9.00am, contribute to the UK economy and then equally magically vanish at 5.00pm.
Presumably they must think that there are shanty towns around the major UK cities that house them - well there are!
Once you realise how stupid their position is, voting leave naturally follows.
I believe they live in the woods, never get sick, pregnant, old, need the police or schools...
Do you believe they pay taxes?
Why did you support a government whose entire economic and fiscal policy is based on high levels of immigration?
You can't blame Leave for focusing on immigration, it's their big message. But you can blame the Tory Leavers for their hypocrisy. They have consistently supported cuts in public services that ordinary people rely on, while also supporting a fiscal and economic strategy predicated on high levels of immigration.
No, I'm not quite sure the economic policy is that well thought out, especially when you consider the constant surprise at how low wage growth is.
Unless there is wage growth there is no need to invest in better equipment and methods. So in reality the economists haven't actually got a clue.
h ttps://twitter.com/DJack_Journo/status/736661638342922240
THAT 2015 BREXIT CAMPAIGN ARGUMENT IN FULL We wish to withdraw and pursue a relationship with the rest of the world in a spirit of honest competition and free trade, concentrating on our historic allies and expanding markets
THAT 2016 BREXIT CAMPAIGN ARGUMENT IN FULL Migrants migrants migrants migrants migrants migrants look look look look foreigners foreigners foreigners foreigners ew ew ew ew whiff-waff ew ew ew aaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrgh MIGRANTS!
h ttps://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/734315730703945728
That's not actually a denial, is it?
Denial that you're an unthinking Europhile?
I was referring to the fact that the current Brexit campaign is overwhelmingly (wholly?) based on incessantly pointing at migrants.
No, its at immigration and the free movement of people not migrants themselves.
Remain have the totally naïve view that immigrants magically appear at 9.00am, contribute to the UK economy and then equally magically vanish at 5.00pm.
Presumably they must think that there are shanty towns around the major UK cities that house them - well there are!
Once you realise how stupid their position is, voting leave naturally follows.
You vote Remain or Leave for whatever reasons you see fit, it's a free country. But my point (that Brexit's current campaign is overwhelmingly based on incessantly pointing at migrants) still stands.
It is how you made the comment that says so much about you. A sensible person willing to debate would have simply said "Vote Leave have now switched the focus of their campaign over to immigration" - which is probably right.
"Campaign sources told Sky News that Vote Leavers were going to ramp up the attacks on Mr Osborne, arguing his national living wage will fuel even higher levels of immigration and leave British workers competing for jobs with EU nationals if the UK remains in the EU."
Remain have the totally naïve view that immigrants magically appear at 9.00am, contribute to the UK economy and then equally magically vanish at 5.00pm.
Presumably they must think that there are shanty towns around the major UK cities that house them - well there are!
Once you realise how stupid their position is, voting leave naturally follows.
I believe they live in the woods, never get sick, pregnant, old, need the police or schools...
Do you believe they pay taxes?
Why did you support a government whose entire economic and fiscal policy is based on high levels of immigration?
Those that are not on minimum wage or paid cash in hand do not pay taxes.
As for economic policy based on high immigration, to a point they inherited high immigration, and I'm not sure the treasury economic policy is based on anything.
Remain have the totally naïve view that immigrants magically appear at 9.00am, contribute to the UK economy and then equally magically vanish at 5.00pm.
Presumably they must think that there are shanty towns around the major UK cities that house them - well there are!
Once you realise how stupid their position is, voting leave naturally follows.
I believe they live in the woods, never get sick, pregnant, old, need the police or schools...
Do you believe they pay taxes?
Why did you support a government whose entire economic and fiscal policy is based on high levels of immigration?
Those that are not on minimum wage or paid cash in hand do pay taxes.
As for economic policy based on high immigration, to a point they inherited high immigration, and I'm not sure the treasury economic policy is based on anything.
Certainly not on economics. However I am sure someone said that the Government would cut levels of immigration to the tens of thousands - the name escapes me for the moment.
Remain have the totally naïve view that immigrants magically appear at 9.00am, contribute to the UK economy and then equally magically vanish at 5.00pm.
Presumably they must think that there are shanty towns around the major UK cities that house them - well there are!
Once you realise how stupid their position is, voting leave naturally follows.
I believe they live in the woods, never get sick, pregnant, old, need the police or schools...
Do you believe they pay taxes?
Why did you support a government whose entire economic and fiscal policy is based on high levels of immigration?
Those that are not on minimum wage or paid cash in hand do pay taxes.
As for economic policy based on high immigration, to a point they inherited high immigration, and I'm not sure the treasury economic policy is based on anything.
"Campaign sources told Sky News that Vote Leavers were going to ramp up the attacks on Mr Osborne, arguing his national living wage will fuel even higher levels of immigration and leave British workers competing for jobs with EU nationals if the UK remains in the EU."
"Campaign sources told Sky News that Vote Leavers were going to ramp up the attacks on Mr Osborne, arguing his national living wage will fuel even higher levels of immigration and leave British workers competing for jobs with EU nationals if the UK remains in the EU."
stupid idea Leave to attack the national minimum wage. Helps many Labour voters who will see two tory leavers attacking it. So far the best day for leave has come not from leave campaining but from an important news story. tbh I think Leave have a better chance if they stop campaigning and let news stories about the E.U dominate such as on immigrastion and E.U army etc.
"Campaign sources told Sky News that Vote Leavers were going to ramp up the attacks on Mr Osborne, arguing his national living wage will fuel even higher levels of immigration and leave British workers competing for jobs with EU nationals if the UK remains in the EU."
Remain have the totally naïve view that immigrants magically appear at 9.00am, contribute to the UK economy and then equally magically vanish at 5.00pm.
Presumably they must think that there are shanty towns around the major UK cities that house them - well there are!
Once you realise how stupid their position is, voting leave naturally follows.
I believe they live in the woods, never get sick, pregnant, old, need the police or schools...
Do you believe they pay taxes?
Why did you support a government whose entire economic and fiscal policy is based on high levels of immigration?
Those that are not on minimum wage or paid cash in hand do pay taxes.
As for economic policy based on high immigration, to a point they inherited high immigration, and I'm not sure the treasury economic policy is based on anything.
Remain have the totally naïve view that immigrants magically appear at 9.00am, contribute to the UK economy and then equally magically vanish at 5.00pm.
Presumably they must think that there are shanty towns around the major UK cities that house them - well there are!
Once you realise how stupid their position is, voting leave naturally follows.
I believe they live in the woods, never get sick, pregnant, old, need the police or schools...
Do you believe they pay taxes?
Why did you support a government whose entire economic and fiscal policy is based on high levels of immigration?
Those that are not on minimum wage or paid cash in hand do pay taxes.
As for economic policy based on high immigration, to a point they inherited high immigration, and I'm not sure the treasury economic policy is based on anything.
Certainly not on economics. However I am sure someone said that the Government would cut levels of immigration to the tens of thousands - the name escapes me for the moment.
Yes, the government of which Priti, IDS, Gove etc were a part of - and which many Leavers on here so vocally supported until just a few weeks ago - basically lied to the British people.
Remain have the totally naïve view that immigrants magically appear at 9.00am, contribute to the UK economy and then equally magically vanish at 5.00pm.
Presumably they must think that there are shanty towns around the major UK cities that house them - well there are!
Once you realise how stupid their position is, voting leave naturally follows.
I believe they live in the woods, never get sick, pregnant, old, need the police or schools...
Do you believe they pay taxes?
Why did you support a government whose entire economic and fiscal policy is based on high levels of immigration?
Those that are not on minimum wage or paid cash in hand do pay taxes.
As for economic policy based on high immigration, to a point they inherited high immigration, and I'm not sure the treasury economic policy is based on anything.
"Campaign sources told Sky News that Vote Leavers were going to ramp up the attacks on Mr Osborne, arguing his national living wage will fuel even higher levels of immigration and leave British workers competing for jobs with EU nationals if the UK remains in the EU."
Remain have the totally naïve view that immigrants magically appear at 9.00am, contribute to the UK economy and then equally magically vanish at 5.00pm.
Presumably they must think that there are shanty towns around the major UK cities that house them - well there are!
Once you realise how stupid their position is, voting leave naturally follows.
I believe they live in the woods, never get sick, pregnant, old, need the police or schools...
Do you believe they pay taxes?
Why did you support a government whose entire economic and fiscal policy is based on high levels of immigration?
Those that are not on minimum wage or paid cash in hand do pay taxes.
As for economic policy based on high immigration, to a point they inherited high immigration, and I'm not sure the treasury economic policy is based on anything.
Leavers so concerned about public services should explain how they will be paid for when the tax money generated by EU immigrants starts to decline.
Oh dear - someone please read something abut velocity of money. NB - the money supply in the UK is dropping because so many immigrants send it abroad to be spent in their own countries. (Not that I blame them individually).
Remain have the totally naïve view that immigrants magically appear at 9.00am, contribute to the UK economy and then equally magically vanish at 5.00pm.
Presumably they must think that there are shanty towns around the major UK cities that house them - well there are!
Once you realise how stupid their position is, voting leave naturally follows.
I believe they live in the woods, never get sick, pregnant, old, need the police or schools...
Do you believe they pay taxes?
Why did you support a government whose entire economic and fiscal policy is based on high levels of immigration?
Those that are not on minimum wage or paid cash in hand do pay taxes.
As for economic policy based on high immigration, to a point they inherited high immigration, and I'm not sure the treasury economic policy is based on anything.
Certainly not on economics. However I am sure someone said that the Government would cut levels of immigration to the tens of thousands - the name escapes me for the moment.
Yes, the government of which Priti, IDS, Gove etc were a part of - and which many Leavers on here so vocally supported until just a few weeks ago - basically lied to the British people.
I think you will find those people wanted out of the EU to fix that, but let Cameron do his renegotiation and either get migration down or leave. So, no, they didn't lie.
Remain have the totally naïve view that immigrants magically appear at 9.00am, contribute to the UK economy and then equally magically vanish at 5.00pm.
Presumably they must think that there are shanty towns around the major UK cities that house them - well there are!
Once you realise how stupid their position is, voting leave naturally follows.
I believe they live in the woods, never get sick, pregnant, old, need the police or schools...
Do you believe they pay taxes?
Why did you support a government whose entire economic and fiscal policy is based on high levels of immigration?
Reducing net immigration to under 100k is "high levels"?
Remain have the totally naïve view that immigrants magically appear at 9.00am, contribute to the UK economy and then equally magically vanish at 5.00pm.
Presumably they must think that there are shanty towns around the major UK cities that house them - well there are!
Once you realise how stupid their position is, voting leave naturally follows.
I believe they live in the woods, never get sick, pregnant, old, need the police or schools...
Do you believe they pay taxes?
Why did you support a government whose entire economic and fiscal policy is based on high levels of immigration?
Those that are not on minimum wage or paid cash in hand do pay taxes.
As for economic policy based on high immigration, to a point they inherited high immigration, and I'm not sure the treasury economic policy is based on anything.
Certainly not on economics. However I am sure someone said that the Government would cut levels of immigration to the tens of thousands - the name escapes me for the moment.
Yes, the government of which Priti, IDS, Gove etc were a part of - and which many Leavers on here so vocally supported until just a few weeks ago - basically lied to the British people.
Something about collective responsibility IIRC - basically if you were in the Government then you had to support it. That rule was specifically withdrawn for the referendum.
Makes you wonder why Priti voted in favour of significant cuts in public spending, doesn't it?
Perhaps because your lot messed up the public finances.
Nope, it was a choice: to hit Osborne's deficit reduction plan; the one dependent on high levels of immigration. I'm afraid Priti is a hypocrite. She cares so much about the public services ordinary people rely on that she voted to cut them.
It is how you made the comment that says so much about you.
True. I suspect we would disagree about what it says about me, although (given it was a Private Eye pastiche) perhaps we may both agree on "unoriginal".
A sensible person willing to debate would have simply said "Vote Leave have now switched the focus of their campaign over to immigration" - which is probably right.
Fair point, but I'm not sure I was intending to engender debate. "Debate" implies the possibility of changing minds and, given that most people seem to have made up their minds, perhaps the best I could do is simply describe the nature of the campaign.
Remain have the totally naïve view that immigrants magically appear at 9.00am, contribute to the UK economy and then equally magically vanish at 5.00pm.
Presumably they must think that there are shanty towns around the major UK cities that house them - well there are!
Once you realise how stupid their position is, voting leave naturally follows.
I believe they live in the woods, never get sick, pregnant, old, need the police or schools...
Do you believe they pay taxes?
Why did you support a government whose entire economic and fiscal policy is based on high levels of immigration?
Those that are not on minimum wage or paid cash in hand do pay taxes.
As for economic policy based on high immigration, to a point they inherited high immigration, and I'm not sure the treasury economic policy is based on anything.
Remain have the totally naïve view that immigrants magically appear at 9.00am, contribute to the UK economy and then equally magically vanish at 5.00pm.
Presumably they must think that there are shanty towns around the major UK cities that house them - well there are!
Once you realise how stupid their position is, voting leave naturally follows.
I believe they live in the woods, never get sick, pregnant, old, need the police or schools...
Do you believe they pay taxes?
Why did you support a government whose entire economic and fiscal policy is based on high levels of immigration?
Those that are not on minimum wage or paid cash in hand do pay taxes.
As for economic policy based on high immigration, to a point they inherited high immigration, and I'm not sure the treasury economic policy is based on anything.
Remain have the totally naïve view that immigrants magically appear at 9.00am, contribute to the UK economy and then equally magically vanish at 5.00pm.
Presumably they must think that there are shanty towns around the major UK cities that house them - well there are!
Once you realise how stupid their position is, voting leave naturally follows.
I believe they live in the woods, never get sick, pregnant, old, need the police or schools...
Do you believe they pay taxes?
Why did you support a government whose entire economic and fiscal policy is based on high levels of immigration?
Those that are not on minimum wage or paid cash in hand do pay taxes.
As for economic policy based on high immigration, to a point they inherited high immigration, and I'm not sure the treasury economic policy is based on anything.
Certainly not on economics. However I am sure someone said that the Government would cut levels of immigration to the tens of thousands - the name escapes me for the moment.
Yes, the government of which Priti, IDS, Gove etc were a part of - and which many Leavers on here so vocally supported until just a few weeks ago - basically lied to the British people.
Something about collective responsibility IIRC - basically if you were in the Government then you had to support it. That rule was specifically withdrawn for the referendum.
If you know the government is lying you point it out and resign. If you don't you are part of the lie.
"Campaign sources told Sky News that Vote Leavers were going to ramp up the attacks on Mr Osborne, arguing his national living wage will fuel even higher levels of immigration and leave British workers competing for jobs with EU nationals if the UK remains in the EU."
Maybe the people I meet with every day are far from being typical - if any of them have an opinion, it isn't one they choose to talk about. Really, I don't think I've ever heard anyone mention it.
That's interesting. I wonder if there's a London/non-London difference (if you're outside London)? I'm interested enough but I'm getting bored with how often it comes up in everyday conversations over the poker table, in work contexts, etc. And when I was canvassing last week, 95% had a definite opinion.
What are others finding in their non-political social circle?
I have only heard about it twice in conversations that I have not initiated. On medical colleague for Leave and one Nurse for Remain.
No posters anywhere that I can see, and only one leaflet (grass roots out); and the Britain First demo in the city centre, ostensibly for Leave, though getting a very hostile reception so most likely benefitting Remain.
People will vote though, just not sure how.
I'm not so sure. Seems to me that if people aren't interested enough even to chat about it casually, it's a bit of a stretch to deduce they're intending to turn out & vote but just don't know which way.
It is how you made the comment that says so much about you.
True. I suspect we would disagree about what it says about me, although (given it was a Private Eye pastiche) perhaps we may both agree on "unoriginal". .
Remain have the totally naïve view that immigrants magically appear at 9.00am, contribute to the UK economy and then equally magically vanish at 5.00pm.
Presumably they must think that there are shanty towns around the major UK cities that house them - well there are!
Once you realise how stupid their position is, voting leave naturally follows.
I believe they live in the woods, never get sick, pregnant, old, need the police or schools...
Do you believe they pay taxes?
Why did you support a government whose entire economic and fiscal policy is based on high levels of immigration?
Those that are not on minimum wage or paid cash in hand do pay taxes.
As for economic policy based on high immigration, to a point they inherited high immigration, and I'm not sure the treasury economic policy is based on anything.
Who? When was he last seen in public? I'll go with the OBR. Presumably, you believe they are yet another institution that is compromised and cannot be trusted.
Remain have the totally naïve view that immigrants magically appear at 9.00am, contribute to the UK economy and then equally magically vanish at 5.00pm.
Presumably they must think that there are shanty towns around the major UK cities that house them - well there are!
Once you realise how stupid their position is, voting leave naturally follows.
I believe they live in the woods, never get sick, pregnant, old, need the police or schools...
Do you believe they pay taxes?
Why did you support a government whose entire economic and fiscal policy is based on high levels of immigration?
Those that are not on minimum wage or paid cash in hand do pay taxes.
As for economic policy based on high immigration, to a point they inherited high immigration, and I'm not sure the treasury economic policy is based on anything.
Remain have the totally naïve view that immigrants magically appear at 9.00am, contribute to the UK economy and then equally magically vanish at 5.00pm.
Presumably they must think that there are shanty towns around the major UK cities that house them - well there are!
Once you realise how stupid their position is, voting leave naturally follows.
I believe they live in the woods, never get sick, pregnant, old, need the police or schools...
Do you believe they pay taxes?
Why did you support a government whose entire economic and fiscal policy is based on high levels of immigration?
Those that are not on minimum wage or paid cash in hand do pay taxes.
As for economic policy based on high immigration, to a point they inherited high immigration, and I'm not sure the treasury economic policy is based on anything.
Certainly not on economics. However I am sure someone said that the Government would cut levels of immigration to the tens of thousands - the name escapes me for the moment.
Yes, the government of which Priti, IDS, Gove etc were a part of - and which many Leavers on here so vocally supported until just a few weeks ago - basically lied to the British people.
Something about collective responsibility IIRC - basically if you were in the Government then you had to support it. That rule was specifically withdrawn for the referendum.
If you know the government is lying you point it out and resign. If you don't you are part of the lie.
You mean like IDS did? Anyway I don't mind - the more the Government is tarred with lying the better for Leave.
Makes you wonder why Priti voted in favour of significant cuts in public spending, doesn't it?
Perhaps because your lot messed up the public finances.
Nope, it was a choice: to hit Osborne's deficit reduction plan; the one dependent on high levels of immigration. I'm afraid Priti is a hypocrite. She cares so much about the public services ordinary people rely on that she voted to cut them.
What are you talking about?
Osborne is Chancellor of the Exchequer, Cameron is the PM who made the immigration pledge.
Both are for Remain. Stop trying to deflect blame onto someone only tangentially involved in the two policies that agitate you.
Remain have the totally naïve view that immigrants magically appear at 9.00am, contribute to the UK economy and then equally magically vanish at 5.00pm.
Presumably they must think that there are shanty towns around the major UK cities that house them - well there are!
Once you realise how stupid their position is, voting leave naturally follows.
I believe they live in the woods, never get sick, pregnant, old, need the police or schools...
Do you believe they pay taxes?
Why did you support a government whose entire economic and fiscal policy is based on high levels of immigration?
Those that are not on minimum wage or paid cash in hand do pay taxes.
As for economic policy based on high immigration, to a point they inherited high immigration, and I'm not sure the treasury economic policy is based on anything.
It is how you made the comment that says so much about you.
True. I suspect we would disagree about what it says about me, although (given it was a Private Eye pastiche) perhaps we may both agree on "unoriginal". .
Remain have the totally naïve view that immigrants magically appear at 9.00am, contribute to the UK economy and then equally magically vanish at 5.00pm.
Presumably they must think that there are shanty towns around the major UK cities that house them - well there are!
Once you realise how stupid their position is, voting leave naturally follows.
I believe they live in the woods, never get sick, pregnant, old, need the police or schools...
Do you believe they pay taxes?
Why did you support a government whose entire economic and fiscal policy is based on high levels of immigration?
Those that are not on minimum wage or paid cash in hand do pay taxes.
As for economic policy based on high immigration, to a point they inherited high immigration, and I'm not sure the treasury economic policy is based on anything.
Who? When was he last seen in public? I'll go with the OBR. Presumably, you believe they are yet another institution that is compromised and cannot be trusted.
The head of the Stronger in campaign, Sir Stuart Rose formerly of Marks and Spencers. Not seen much since the treasury select committee where he said not much would change in the first 5 years of Brexit but wages would go up.
As for the OBR, they can only tell you what their models predict.
Have they been any good at predicting how the deficit would be reduced or the economy would grow in he last 5 years?
Makes you wonder why Priti voted in favour of significant cuts in public spending, doesn't it?
Perhaps because your lot messed up the public finances.
Nope, it was a choice: to hit Osborne's deficit reduction plan; the one dependent on high levels of immigration. I'm afraid Priti is a hypocrite. She cares so much about the public services ordinary people rely on that she voted to cut them.
What are you talking about?
Osborne is Chancellor of the Exchequer, Cameron is the PM who made the immigration pledge.
Both are for Remain. Stop trying to deflect blame onto someone only tangentially involved in the two policies that agitate you.
Desperate stuff from you.
I blame the government. The one Priti is a part of. She is a hypocrite.
Remain have the totally naïve view that immigrants magically appear at 9.00am, contribute to the UK economy and then equally magically vanish at 5.00pm.
Presumably they must think that there are shanty towns around the major UK cities that house them - well there are!
Once you realise how stupid their position is, voting leave naturally follows.
I believe they live in the woods, never get sick, pregnant, old, need the police or schools...
Do you believe they pay taxes?
Why did you support a government whose entire economic and fiscal policy is based on high levels of immigration?
Those that are not on minimum wage or paid cash in hand do pay taxes.
As for economic policy based on high immigration, to a point they inherited high immigration, and I'm not sure the treasury economic policy is based on anything.
Remain have the totally naïve view that immigrants magically appear at 9.00am, contribute to the UK economy and then equally magically vanish at 5.00pm.
Presumably they must think that there are shanty towns around the major UK cities that house them - well there are!
Once you realise how stupid their position is, voting leave naturally follows.
I believe they live in the woods, never get sick, pregnant, old, need the police or schools...
Do you believe they pay taxes?
Why did you support a government whose entire economic and fiscal policy is based on high levels of immigration?
Those that are not on minimum wage or paid cash in hand do pay taxes.
As for economic policy based on high immigration, to a point they inherited high immigration, and I'm not sure the treasury economic policy is based on anything.
Remain have the totally naïve view that immigrants magically appear at 9.00am, contribute to the UK economy and then equally magically vanish at 5.00pm.
Presumably they must think that there are shanty towns around the major UK cities that house them - well there are!
Once you realise how stupid their position is, voting leave naturally follows.
I believe they live in the woods, never get sick, pregnant, old, need the police or schools...
Do you believe they pay taxes?
Why did you support a government whose entire economic and fiscal policy is based on high levels of immigration?
Those that are not on minimum wage or paid cash in hand do pay taxes.
As for economic policy based on high immigration, to a point they inherited high immigration, and I'm not sure the treasury economic policy is based on anything.
Certainly not on economics. However I am sure someone said that the Government would cut levels of immigration to the tens of thousands - the name escapes me for the moment.
Yes, the government of which Priti, IDS, Gove etc were a part of - and which many Leavers on here so vocally supported until just a few weeks ago - basically lied to the British people.
Something about collective responsibility IIRC - basically if you were in the Government then you had to support it. That rule was specifically withdrawn for the referendum.
If you know the government is lying you point it out and resign. If you don't you are part of the lie.
You mean like IDS did? Anyway I don't mind - the more the Government is tarred with lying the better for Leave.
Completely agree. My point is that the Tory Leavers are hypocrites, not that their hypocrisy won't be effective. I have always expected Leave to win and still do.
Maybe the people I meet with every day are far from being typical - if any of them have an opinion, it isn't one they choose to talk about. Really, I don't think I've ever heard anyone mention it.
That's interesting. I wonder if there's a London/non-London difference (if you're outside London)? I'm interested enough but I'm getting bored with how often it comes up in everyday conversations over the poker table, in work contexts, etc. And when I was canvassing last week, 95% had a definite opinion.
What are others finding in their non-political social circle?
I have only heard about it twice in conversations that I have not initiated. On medical colleague for Leave and one Nurse for Remain.
No posters anywhere that I can see, and only one leaflet (grass roots out); and the Britain First demo in the city centre, ostensibly for Leave, though getting a very hostile reception so most likely benefitting Remain.
People will vote though, just not sure how.
I'm not so sure. Seems to me that if people aren't interested enough even to chat about it casually, it's a bit of a stretch to deduce they're intending to turn out & vote but just don't know which way.
I wonder if the egregious nature of the campaign is really starting to get on people's nerves now, and many may turn away in disgust.
Remain have the totally naïve view that immigrants magically appear at 9.00am, contribute to the UK economy and then equally magically vanish at 5.00pm.
Presumably they must think that there are shanty towns around the major UK cities that house them - well there are!
Once you realise how stupid their position is, voting leave naturally follows.
I believe they live in the woods, never get sick, pregnant, old, need the police or schools...
Do you believe they pay taxes?
Why did you support a government whose entire economic and fiscal policy is based on high levels of immigration?
Those that are not on minimum wage or paid cash in hand do pay taxes.
As for economic policy based on high immigration, to a point they inherited high immigration, and I'm not sure the treasury economic policy is based on anything.
Certainly not on economics. However I am sure someone said that the Government would cut levels of immigration to the tens of thousands - the name escapes me for the moment.
Yes, the government of which Priti, IDS, Gove etc were a part of - and which many Leavers on here so vocally supported until just a few weeks ago - basically lied to the British people.
Something about collective responsibility IIRC - basically if you were in the Government then you had to support it. That rule was specifically withdrawn for the referendum.
If you know the government is lying you point it out and resign. If you don't you are part of the lie.
You mean like IDS did? Anyway I don't mind - the more the Government is tarred with lying the better for Leave.
Completely agree. My point is that the Tory Leavers are hypocrites, not that their hypocrisy won't be effective. I have always expected Leave to win and still do.
Remain have the totally naïve view that immigrants magically appear at 9.00am, contribute to the UK economy and then equally magically vanish at 5.00pm.
Presumably they must think that there are shanty towns around the major UK cities that house them - well there are!
Once you realise how stupid their position is, voting leave naturally follows.
I believe they live in the woods, never get sick, pregnant, old, need the police or schools...
Do you believe they pay taxes?
Why did you support a government whose entire economic and fiscal policy is based on high levels of immigration?
Those that are not on minimum wage or paid cash in hand do pay taxes.
As for economic policy based on high immigration, to a point they inherited high immigration, and I'm not sure the treasury economic policy is based on anything.
Certainly not on economics. However I am sure someone said that the Government would cut levels of immigration to the tens of thousands - the name escapes me for the moment.
Yes, the government of which Priti, IDS, Gove etc were a part of - and which many Leavers on here so vocally supported until just a few weeks ago - basically lied to the British people.
Something about collective responsibility IIRC - basically if you were in the Government then you had to support it. That rule was specifically withdrawn for the referendum.
If you know the government is lying you point it out and resign. If you don't you are part of the lie.
You mean like IDS did? Anyway I don't mind - the more the Government is tarred with lying the better for Leave.
Completely agree. My point is that the Tory Leavers are hypocrites, not that their hypocrisy won't be effective. I have always expected Leave to win and still do.
Bloody hell. Do you?
One of the few remainers to take that view here.
Yep - it'll be very tight, but immigration is the killer for Remain. George & Dave are reaping what they sowed.
Remain have the totally naïve view that immigrants magically appear at 9.00am, contribute to the UK economy and then equally magically vanish at 5.00pm.
Presumably they must think that there are shanty towns around the major UK cities that house them - well there are!
Once you realise how stupid their position is, voting leave naturally follows.
I believe they live in the woods, never get sick, pregnant, old, need the police or schools...
Do you believe they pay taxes?
Why did you support a government whose entire economic and fiscal policy is based on high levels of immigration?
Those that are not on minimum wage or paid cash in hand do pay taxes.
As for economic policy based on high immigration, to a point they inherited high immigration, and I'm not sure the treasury economic policy is based on anything.
Leavers so concerned about public services should explain how they will be paid for when the tax money generated by EU immigrants starts to decline.
A scoundrel's argument.
You have to take into account the services they consume as well: NHS, schools and housing, perhaps.
I agree. And the evidence is that they put in more than they take out.
No, That evidence suggests that those who pay tax, get less out in child benefit and tax credits.
It says nothing about how much they use or don't use services. So there is no actual evidence either way.
It could be your right and they don't use any.
My money is that they use quite a bit.
I think it's important to separate EU and non-EU immigration. The costs of the latter are far higher because so many more non-EU immigrants are unproductive.
Remain have the totally naïve view that immigrants magically appear at 9.00am, contribute to the UK economy and then equally magically vanish at 5.00pm.
Presumably they must think that there are shanty towns around the major UK cities that house them - well there are!
Once you realise how stupid their position is, voting leave naturally follows.
I believe they live in the woods, never get sick, pregnant, old, need the police or schools...
Do you believe they pay taxes?
Why did you support a government whose entire economic and fiscal policy is based on high levels of immigration?
Those that are not on minimum wage or paid cash in hand do pay taxes.
As for economic policy based on high immigration, to a point they inherited high immigration, and I'm not sure the treasury economic policy is based on anything.
Leavers so concerned about public services should explain how they will be paid for when the tax money generated by EU immigrants starts to decline.
A scoundrel's argument.
You have to take into account the services they consume as well: NHS, schools and housing, perhaps.
I agree. And the evidence is that they put in more than they take out.
No, That evidence suggests that those who pay tax, get less out in child benefit and tax credits.
It says nothing about how much they use or don't use services. So there is no actual evidence either way.
It could be your right and they don't use any.
My money is that they use quite a bit.
Yes, SO is making a bit of a fool of himself.
His argument is: immigrants are young, therefore they use the NHS less and also other services.
Unfortunately, those youngsters are also the people who have children. Try going into a maternity ward in London or a Catholic school in London to find confirmation of that.
Remain have the totally naïve view that immigrants magically appear at 9.00am, contribute to the UK economy and then equally magically vanish at 5.00pm.
Presumably they must think that there are shanty towns around the major UK cities that house them - well there are!
Once you realise how stupid their position is, voting leave naturally follows.
I believe they live in the woods, never get sick, pregnant, old, need the police or schools...
Do you believe they pay taxes?
Why did you support a government whose entire economic and fiscal policy is based on high levels of immigration?
Those that are not on minimum wage or paid cash in hand do pay taxes.
As for economic policy based on high immigration, to a point they inherited high immigration, and I'm not sure the treasury economic policy is based on anything.
Leavers so concerned about public services should explain how they will be paid for when the tax money generated by EU immigrants starts to decline.
A scoundrel's argument.
You have to take into account the services they consume as well: NHS, schools and housing, perhaps.
I agree. And the evidence is that they put in more than they take out.
No, That evidence suggests that those who pay tax, get less out in child benefit and tax credits.
It says nothing about how much they use or don't use services. So there is no actual evidence either way.
It could be your right and they don't use any.
My money is that they use quite a bit.
I think it's important to separate EU and non-EU immigration. The costs of the latter are far higher because so many more non-EU immigrants are unproductive.
You mean retired?
Non-EU immigrants have to pass tests to get a visa; EU immigrants don't.
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You, for one, welcome your EU overlords.
2. They did really have a bananas banana directive, but it has since been re pealed
Some of their stuff is seriously nuts.
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Priti's 2p
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/28/the-wealthy-leaders-of-remain-will-never-know-the-devastating-ef/
Even the Germans have a league and national team:
http://www.cricket.de/
Indeed soon they will be beating us at that too, no doubt!
What are others finding in their non-political social circle?
No posters anywhere that I can see, and only one leaflet (grass roots out); and the Britain First demo in the city centre, ostensibly for Leave, though getting a very hostile reception so most likely benefitting Remain.
People will vote though, just not sure how.
Germans and French have higher productivity than us as I recall, so not afraid of hard work!
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/28/jeremy-corbyn-failed-reply-israel-left-antisemitism-ken-livingstone?CMP=share_btn_tw
Presumably they must think that there are shanty towns around the major UK cities that house them - well there are!
Once you realise how stupid their position is, voting leave naturally follows.
Why did you support a government whose entire economic and fiscal policy is based on high levels of immigration?
Unless there is wage growth there is no need to invest in better equipment and methods. So in reality the economists haven't actually got a clue.
http://news.sky.com/story/1702665/eu-leavers-to-press-economic-case-for-brexit
As for economic policy based on high immigration, to a point they inherited high immigration, and I'm not sure the treasury economic policy is based on anything.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/cutting-immigration-would-mean-higher-taxes-or-deeper-spending-cuts-obr-warns-a6956311.html
Leavers so concerned about public services should explain how they will be paid for when the tax money generated by EU immigrants starts to decline.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2016/02/25/bbc-question-time-brexit-argument-passionate-young-woman-video_n_9321398.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/cutting-immigration-would-mean-higher-taxes-or-deeper-spending-cuts-obr-warns-a6956311.html
You have to take into account the services they consume as well: NHS, schools and housing, perhaps.
Osborne is Chancellor of the Exchequer, Cameron is the PM who made the immigration pledge.
Both are for Remain. Stop trying to deflect blame onto someone only tangentially involved in the two policies that agitate you.
Desperate stuff from you.
As for the OBR, they can only tell you what their models predict.
Have they been any good at predicting how the deficit would be reduced or the economy would grow in he last 5 years?
You have to take into account future pensions and healthcare costs to get the correct situation.
This is just kicking the tin can down the road.
It says nothing about how much they use or don't use services. So there is no actual evidence either way.
It could be your right and they don't use any.
My money is that they use quite a bit.
One of the few remainers to take that view here.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/junior-doctors-proved-dont-care-8074339
It just goes to show that absolutely nobody is listening to me...
His argument is: immigrants are young, therefore they use the NHS less and also other services.
Unfortunately, those youngsters are also the people who have children. Try going into a maternity ward in London or a Catholic school in London to find confirmation of that.
Non-EU immigrants have to pass tests to get a visa; EU immigrants don't.
New non-EU immigration is much more productive.