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  • tyson
    tyson Posts: 6,122
    Sadly, I agree with you. Last time I was in London I went to a couple of gigs at the Brixton Academy, and appreciated the freedoms, and liberty of London whilst we have them. One or two indiscriminate attacks will change everything.
    Indigo said:

    Cyclefree said:

    And at the risk of having a bucket load of sh*t thrown at me now, given the issues we currently have with Islamist terrorism and terrorism emanating from the Middle East, consideration of people's countries of origin and/or religion may well be a relevant factor to consider in countries' immigration policies

    Leave the hand wringers to it. Sooner or later something horrific will happen in say Oxford Street and all of a sudden the British public will have not the slightest interest in liberalism and wooly headedness, it will become an imperative to do something now.
  • Blue_rog
    Blue_rog Posts: 2,019
    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway, it is the most beautiful day. In London.

    On this day 195 years ago Napoleon died.

    Also 18 years ago my youngest was born.

    A big day for him today (and for me, as I need no longer be a responsible mother...... :) ).

    Don't you believe it!

    My youngest is 26 and I'm still looking after her although she has a partner, child and is living away from home :grin:

    My middle one (28) texted begging for a home made lasagne for her and her fiance!

    On;y my eldest is fully independant.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Miss Cyclefree, happy birthday to Son of Cyclefree.

    On the EU, I'm less concerned by kettles than the EU Army.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?utm_campaign=buffer&utm_source=twitter.com&v=kmu0D_pca1Q&utm_medium=social&utm_content=buffere3034
  • malcolmg
    malcolmg Posts: 44,523
    MarqueeMark said:

    malcolmg said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    LDs are the worst. They are usually very keen for you to know it too.

    To be honest the main negative for me on the poorer estates is I'm constantly on edge about the hounds: a handful of people do seem to have some truly terrifying dogs that they let roam free, or are secretly silently lying prone by the letterbox ready to rip up anything that comes through it.

    How do postmen do it?

    And I could swear the votes of some are influenced by how their dog reacts to you.

    Last May in Eastbourne I was leafletting a row of terraced houses, and at one of them I couldn't get the leaflet through the letter box, which seemed to be jammed. As I tried to post the leaflet through it, there was a fearsome barking on the other side and the door opened to reveal a rough-looking chap with lots of tattoos and with various bits of metal adorning him, holding a vicious-looking bull terrier. I thought I was about to get a torrent of abuse or worse, but instead the chap just pointed to the side of the door where there was a postbox and a sign saying 'please post mail here'.
    Yup. I've had that too - a scary looking guy just like that, who was actually quite friendly. People never cease to surprise me.

    Abuse is extremely rare. Rudeness slightly less so.
    When in a group of Tory canvassers, it is a badge of honour to be the first to be told to "F@ck off!"
    A good hearty Anglo-Saxon word!
    Too pleasant for Tories though.
    That's what "turnip" is reserved for....
    LOL
  • weejonnie
    weejonnie Posts: 3,820
    chestnut said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/728164255695024128

    A dramatic, last minute huddling of pollsters?
    Amazed at George Galloway's low showing - although his friends now have a real politician to promote their needs.
  • Layne
    Layne Posts: 163
    Indigo said:

    Cyclefree said:

    And at the risk of having a bucket load of sh*t thrown at me now, given the issues we currently have with Islamist terrorism and terrorism emanating from the Middle East, consideration of people's countries of origin and/or religion may well be a relevant factor to consider in countries' immigration policies

    Leave the hand wringers to it. Sooner or later something horrific will happen in say Oxford Street and all of a sudden the British public will have not the slightest interest in liberalism and wooly headedness, it will become an imperative to do something now.
    You just need to discriminate based on national origin rather than religion. Given hand-wringing centrists support the EU, they do not have a leg to stand on to complain about it. Explicitly limiting immigration from states high on terrorism risk indices like Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Nigeria, Iraq, Syria and Somalia would face very little political push back from the general public.
  • Morris_Dancer
    Morris_Dancer Posts: 62,742
    Mr. Royale, can't play that video.

    Was it All Out Superpower Confrontation?
  • malcolmg
    malcolmg Posts: 44,523
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. G, any prospect of Rise (all capitals, is it meant to be?) getting an MSP?

    MD, more likely Ted Cruz will next president.
  • runnymede
    runnymede Posts: 2,536
    weejonnie said:

    FeersumEnjineeya said:

    Indigo said:

    GIN1138 said:

    OK, here's the latest on Kettlegate - It seems the EU have "paused" the ban on high performance kettles because they feared it could drive tea loving Brits to Brexit:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/47unzr/eu_pauses_plans_to_ban_superstrength_kettles_out/

    So @MikeK is safe for now!. :smiley:

    A senior EU official has reportedly said that the commission has paused plans to introduce the rules to be “sensitive to the British obsession with water kettles.”
    Thereby managing to be patronising and dirigiste in the same sentence... is Alistair not telling us about his real day job :D
    "A senior EU official has reportedly said..."

    Yeah, right. There were never any plans to limit the power rating of kettles. It's just more anti-EU scaremongering.

    There are, of course, moves under way to limit the electricity consumption of domestic appliances in general (domestic demand accounts for about 36% of total electricity demand), but it makes no sense to limit the power rating of kettles. That's why the EU isn't doing so.
    This was old news in February http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-pauses-plans-to-ban-super-strength-kettles-out-of-fear-it-would-drive-tea-loving-britons-towards-a6899551.html

    Having low-power kettles is stupid because they take more energy to heat up. Low power vacuum cleaners are stupid because you have to go over the carpet more times (taking more energy) to get them to pick up the same amount of fluff - not to mention forcing housepeople to burn off more calories (producing heat). EU regulators are stupid because they don't know anything about science.

    But they do know a lot about corporate lobbying, which is what these things are really all about
  • FeersumEnjineeya
    FeersumEnjineeya Posts: 4,792
    edited May 2016
    weejonnie said:

    FeersumEnjineeya said:

    Indigo said:

    GIN1138 said:

    OK, here's the latest on Kettlegate - It seems the EU have "paused" the ban on high performance kettles because they feared it could drive tea loving Brits to Brexit:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/47unzr/eu_pauses_plans_to_ban_superstrength_kettles_out/

    So @MikeK is safe for now!. :smiley:

    A senior EU official has reportedly said that the commission has paused plans to introduce the rules to be “sensitive to the British obsession with water kettles.”
    Thereby managing to be patronising and dirigiste in the same sentence... is Alistair not telling us about his real day job :D
    "A senior EU official has reportedly said..."

    Yeah, right. There were never any plans to limit the power rating of kettles. It's just more anti-EU scaremongering.

    There are, of course, moves under way to limit the electricity consumption of domestic appliances in general (domestic demand accounts for about 36% of total electricity demand), but it makes no sense to limit the power rating of kettles. That's why the EU isn't doing so.
    This was old news in February http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-pauses-plans-to-ban-super-strength-kettles-out-of-fear-it-would-drive-tea-loving-britons-towards-a6899551.html

    Having low-power kettles is stupid because they take more energy to heat up. Low power vacuum cleaners are stupid because you have to go over the carpet more times (taking more energy) to get them to pick up the same amount of fluff - not to mention forcing housepeople to burn off more calories (producing heat). EU regulators are stupid because they don't know anything about science.


    There never was any proposal to limit the power of kettles.

    If anyone is stupid, it is people who believe stuff they read in the papers without checking the sources.
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    DavidL said:

    I think a bye election is pretty much nailed on as soon as the Heathrow result is announced. He won't be missed.

    Zac hasn't said that he wouldn't stand in any by-election he triggers, has he? He could either stand as an independent or as a Conservative, asking for a mandate from the good burghers of Richmond to continue with the stance he has taken.
    I'm kinda hoping the thumping he is going to receive today will put him off playing politics. But who knows? It's not like he has to earn a living or anything.
  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    Plato_Says said:

    49 days to go... #IndependenceDay :wink:

    #HighPoweredKettleDay ;)
  • Cyclefree
    Cyclefree Posts: 25,709
    Blue_rog said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway, it is the most beautiful day. In London.

    On this day 195 years ago Napoleon died.

    Also 18 years ago my youngest was born.

    A big day for him today (and for me, as I need no longer be a responsible mother...... :) ).

    Don't you believe it!

    My youngest is 26 and I'm still looking after her although she has a partner, child and is living away from home :grin:

    My middle one (28) texted begging for a home made lasagne for her and her fiance!

    On;y my eldest is fully independant.
    Oh I do know. My eldest is 23 and still needs mothering. You never stop being a mother. It was said slightly tongue in cheek. I can just see a life for me which is not simply about being a mother - and what a life it will be!! :)

  • malcolmg
    malcolmg Posts: 44,523
    AlastairMeeks said:

    Ladbrokes are still offering 8/1 on a Scottish NOM. Given that latest YouGov poll provides NOM on at least one seat calculator, that seems a very fair price.

    would be money down the drain
  • Morris_Dancer
    Morris_Dancer Posts: 62,742
    Mr. G, cheers.
  • tyson
    tyson Posts: 6,122
    You mean Yorkshire bastards- that is our Lancastrian term of affection for the men who live in that county. Obviously the women are Yorkshire lasses, but Lancashire is renowned for their more attractive women folk. The Cavaliers got distracted in Preston by the fairer sex
    Jonathan said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Divvie, Sikhism and Judaism are also considered ethnicities.

    What about Yorkshiremen?
  • malcolmg
    malcolmg Posts: 44,523
    DavidL said:

    malcolmg said:

    DavidL said:

    david_herdson said:

    DavidL said:

    david_herdson said:

    malcolmg said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scottish Tory surge klaxon

    Scottish Parliament voting intention:
    SNP: 48% (-2)
    LAB: 22% (+1)
    CON: 19% (+1)
    LDEM: 7% (+2)
    (via YouGov / 02 - 04 May)

    Scottish Parliament voting intention (list):
    SNP: 41% (-4)
    CON: 20% (+2)
    LAB: 19% (-)
    GRN: 9% (+1)
    LDEM: 6% (+1)
    UKIP: 4% (+1)
    (via YouGov)

    LOL ,
    Lol at what? The findings or the results if they're right? Wouldn't 41% list combined with 48% constituency leave the SNP very much on the edge of minority/majority position?
    Yes they will definitely get 1 or more (depending on Dumfriesshire) list seats in the south and probably 1 or maybe 2 in the north (depending on how the Lib Dems do). At the moment they have 69 seats. My guess is that will go up by a couple.
    The daft unionist sharing list vote may explode in their faces and Labour could lose enough to RISE and Greens to help SNP on the list or at worst burst Labour even more. Pretty sad that all we will hear tomorrow is that either Labour or Tories are winners with a handful of seats. The unionist parties have such low expectations nowadays it is frightening.
    My guess is that the Greens will be up a couple and the Lib Dems down 1 but I don't think RISE will win a seat unless Labour have a total melt down. Labour's result in 2011 was their worst in Scotland (until 2015) but it is going to look stellar this time around. The Tories will have more seats in the Scottish Parliament than ever before but not, I think, quite enough to claim second.

    I would disagree with Alastair about the 8/1 for NOM being value. It is way more unlikely than that.
    I agree, it would be nice to see Labour in 3rd but the prospect of Ruthie shouting about it as a success for next 5 years makes me wish it does not happen, she is fast approaching Patrick Harvie/ Willie Rennie territory.
  • Theuniondivvie
    Theuniondivvie Posts: 44,327
    edited May 2016
    MonikerDiCanio said:


    Civic Nationalist Salmond has called on Scotch-Americans to reject Trump. Do you see a contradiction there ?

    No.
  • Morris_Dancer
    Morris_Dancer Posts: 62,742
    Miss Cyclefree, leader of the Patrick Party, and then PM? :D
  • CD13
    CD13 Posts: 6,386
    Mr Urquhart,

    Fast boiling kettles will be more efficient. Less time for heat to escape to the environment.

    Consider an instantaneous boil - very little heat lost. A slow heating ... much more. They're encouraging global warming, the heartless EU bastards.



  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    malcolmg said:

    DavidL said:

    malcolmg said:

    DavidL said:

    david_herdson said:

    DavidL said:

    david_herdson said:

    malcolmg said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scottish Tory surge klaxon

    Scottish Parliament voting intention:
    SNP: 48% (-2)
    LAB: 22% (+1)
    CON: 19% (+1)
    LDEM: 7% (+2)
    (via YouGov / 02 - 04 May)

    Scottish Parliament voting intention (list):
    SNP: 41% (-4)
    CON: 20% (+2)
    LAB: 19% (-)
    GRN: 9% (+1)
    LDEM: 6% (+1)
    UKIP: 4% (+1)
    (via YouGov)

    LOL ,
    Lol at what? The findings or the results if they're right? Wouldn't 41% list combined with 48% constituency leave the SNP very much on the edge of minority/majority position?
    Yes they will definitely get 1 or more (depending on Dumfriesshire) list seats in the south and probably 1 or maybe 2 in the north (depending on how the Lib Dems do). At the moment they have 69 seats. My guess is that will go up by a couple.
    The daft unionist sharing list vote may explode in their faces and Labour could lose enough to RISE and Greens to help SNP on the list or at worst burst Labour even more. Pretty sad that all we will hear tomorrow is that either Labour or Tories are winners with a handful of seats. The unionist parties have such low expectations nowadays it is frightening.
    My guess is that the Greens will be up a couple and the Lib Dems down 1 but I don't think RISE will win a seat unless Labour have a total melt down. Labour's result in 2011 was their worst in Scotland (until 2015) but it is going to look stellar this time around. The Tories will have more seats in the Scottish Parliament than ever before but not, I think, quite enough to claim second.

    I would disagree with Alastair about the 8/1 for NOM being value. It is way more unlikely than that.
    I agree, it would be nice to see Labour in 3rd but the prospect of Ruthie shouting about it as a success for next 5 years makes me wish it does not happen, she is fast approaching Patrick Harvie/ Willie Rennie territory.
    Oh that's harsh!
  • edmundintokyo
    edmundintokyo Posts: 17,735
    GIN1138 said:

    Plato_Says said:

    49 days to go... #IndependenceDay :wink:

    #HighPoweredKettleDay ;)
    They can all turn their kettles on at once in celebration.

    (Don't forget to give the French a heads-up, they provide the extra power for when British people all make tea at the same time during commercial breaks.)
  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    edited May 2016
    edmundintokyo said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Plato_Says said:

    49 days to go... #IndependenceDay :wink:

    #HighPoweredKettleDay ;)
    They can all turn their kettles on at once in celebration.

    (Don't forget to give the French a heads-up, they provide the extra power for when British people all make tea at the same time during commercial breaks.)
    Viva La France! :smiley:
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Palmyran concert to be held:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-36211449

    Mr. EPG, those are astute observations on Taoism/Shinto. I think one has to be born Hindu, although leaving it it possible (I think).

    Mr. Jonathan, I sense you're asking that tongue-in-cheek, but I do know (or did) some people who put Yorkshire as their ethnicity, and/or religion in the last census.

    No, one can convert to Hinduism. I wouldn't recommend it personally, but it is definitely possible.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Royale, can't play that video.

    Was it All Out Superpower Confrontation?

    It was a presentation by the EU military staff on what they do.

    Also available through the Vote Leave Twitter feed.
  • Morris_Dancer
    Morris_Dancer Posts: 62,742
    Mr. Max, really? I consider myself enlightened :)

    Could've sworn I learnt that one could only be born into it. Cheers for the correction.

    Mr. Tyson, your persistent jealousy of God's Own County is understandable, but remember, if you live a good life, you might just be reincarnated as a Yorkshireman.
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    tyson said:

    Sadly, I agree with you. Last time I was in London I went to a couple of gigs at the Brixton Academy, and appreciated the freedoms, and liberty of London whilst we have them. One or two indiscriminate attacks will change everything.

    Indigo said:

    Cyclefree said:

    And at the risk of having a bucket load of sh*t thrown at me now, given the issues we currently have with Islamist terrorism and terrorism emanating from the Middle East, consideration of people's countries of origin and/or religion may well be a relevant factor to consider in countries' immigration policies

    Leave the hand wringers to it. Sooner or later something horrific will happen in say Oxford Street and all of a sudden the British public will have not the slightest interest in liberalism and wooly headedness, it will become an imperative to do something now.
    Rubbish, we Londoners are made of sterner stuff than that. Whatever Ken may have said and done in recent times, him taking the underground the day after the bombings was something I will always rate him for and it showed the spirit of London after such atrocities can't be beaten by fools.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806

    NEW THREAD NEW THREAD

  • Theuniondivvie
    Theuniondivvie Posts: 44,327
    MaxPB said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Palmyran concert to be held:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-36211449

    Mr. EPG, those are astute observations on Taoism/Shinto. I think one has to be born Hindu, although leaving it it possible (I think).

    Mr. Jonathan, I sense you're asking that tongue-in-cheek, but I do know (or did) some people who put Yorkshire as their ethnicity, and/or religion in the last census.

    No, one can convert to Hinduism. I wouldn't recommend it personally, but it is definitely possible.
    Is there a specific caste for converts or would you have to start at the bottom?
  • richardDodd
    richardDodd Posts: 5,472
    Yorkshiremen are as dour as Scots and Lancashire tribes should be avoided at all costs..
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Max, really? I consider myself enlightened :)

    Could've sworn I learnt that one could only be born into it. Cheers for the correction.

    Mr. Tyson, your persistent jealousy of God's Own County is understandable, but remember, if you live a good life, you might just be reincarnated as a Yorkshireman.

    A person can even convert to Judaism should they wish, I don't think many religions are completely exclusionary. Sort of defeats the purpose of world domination that most of them hold dear.
  • Plato_Says
    Plato_Says Posts: 11,822
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Corbynism not getting Emma Thompson and Charlotte Church's votes this time around...

    http://order-order.com/2016/05/05/celeb-corbynistas-abandon-labour/

    Do As I Say, Not As I Do. Poetic really.
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    Theuniondivvie said:

    MaxPB said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Palmyran concert to be held:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-36211449

    Mr. EPG, those are astute observations on Taoism/Shinto. I think one has to be born Hindu, although leaving it it possible (I think).

    Mr. Jonathan, I sense you're asking that tongue-in-cheek, but I do know (or did) some people who put Yorkshire as their ethnicity, and/or religion in the last census.

    No, one can convert to Hinduism. I wouldn't recommend it personally, but it is definitely possible.
    Is there a specific caste for converts or would you have to start at the bottom?
    It depends on your family trade iirc, though I'm not an expert.
  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    edited May 2016
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    NEW THREAD NEW THREAD

    This thread is finished....

    Like David Camerons career on 24th June! :smiley:
  • Morris_Dancer
    Morris_Dancer Posts: 62,742
    Mr. Royale, just seen it. I wonder if the Neu Wehrmacht EU Army will be portrayed as just beefing that up.
  • SandraM
    SandraM Posts: 206
    When I was at the polling station I noticed that the local Labour candidate lived in the same road as me. I've just walked past his house; not a single poster or anything in the window. It struck me as strange.
  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    SandraM said:

    When I was at the polling station I noticed that the local Labour candidate lived in the same road as me. I've just walked past his house; not a single poster or anything in the window. It struck me as strange.

    To ashamed to admit he is Labour's candidate? ;)
  • Alistair
    Alistair Posts: 23,670
    AlastairMeeks said:

    Ladbrokes are still offering 8/1 on a Scottish NOM. Given that latest YouGov poll provides NOM on at least one seat calculator, that seems a very fair price.

    The seat calculators don't do regional breakdown for inputs so are basically garbage.
  • murali_s
    murali_s Posts: 3,084
    edited May 2016
    MaxPB said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    MaxPB said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Palmyran concert to be held:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-36211449

    Mr. EPG, those are astute observations on Taoism/Shinto. I think one has to be born Hindu, although leaving it it possible (I think).

    Mr. Jonathan, I sense you're asking that tongue-in-cheek, but I do know (or did) some people who put Yorkshire as their ethnicity, and/or religion in the last census.

    No, one can convert to Hinduism. I wouldn't recommend it personally, but it is definitely possible.
    Is there a specific caste for converts or would you have to start at the bottom?
    It depends on your family trade iirc, though I'm not an expert.
    MaxPB said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Max, really? I consider myself enlightened :)

    Could've sworn I learnt that one could only be born into it. Cheers for the correction.

    Mr. Tyson, your persistent jealousy of God's Own County is understandable, but remember, if you live a good life, you might just be reincarnated as a Yorkshireman.

    A person can even convert to Judaism should they wish, I don't think many religions are completely exclusionary. Sort of defeats the purpose of world domination that most of them hold dear.
    Hinduism is one of the most 'chilled out' religions out there - some say it's not really a religion but a way of life or a philosophy.

    There is no rule-book per se. It does not say "do good" and "adhere to this". It emphasises the personal and unique journey that we are all on.

    Sometimes it's hard to disentangle core Hinduism with various cultural overlays (e.g. the caste system). I wish I could tell you more (I'm not very religious) but the Mrs knows a lot more. If anyone is interested I could ask her...
  • Floater
    Floater Posts: 14,207
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Hysterical.

    A few weeks ago some were saying Dave is Obama's poodle etc.

    Now Dave stands up to a potential POTUS, he's an idiot, un-First Lord of the Treasury.

    The logic chopping of Leavers is awesome.

    Now wish me luck, I have to knock up some voters

    When you hear TSE is going to "knock up" some voters am I the only one that worries :-)

    (Good luck)
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