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  • nunu
    nunu Posts: 6,024
    easy labour holds- ukip may come close up lab share will be up in both.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,609
    second.. well sniped nunu!
  • ReallyEvilMuffin
    ReallyEvilMuffin Posts: 65
    I live in Ogmore... The sheer amount of Labour paraphernalia and attempts to contact have been huge. No mention of Corbyn on any of the 6 letters/leaflets that I have received. Token effort from everyone else really, plaid are the only others who attempted to come to the door.
  • peter_from_putney
    peter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    Strange time to introduce a new thread - Oh well, I'll just say goodnight to everyone, especially to the returning fitalass.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,609
    peter_from_putney said:

    Strange time to introduce a new thread - Oh well, I'll just say goodnight to everyone, especially to the returning fitalass.

    Caught you off guard? ;)
  • peter_from_putney
    peter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    edited May 2016
    RobD said:

    second.. well sniped nunu!

    nunu appears oblivious to his feat ..... one that you and I Rob have spent months, years even, attempting to perfect!
    Goodnight.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,609
    peter_from_putney said:

    RobD said:

    second.. well sniped nunu!

    nunu appears oblivious to his feat ..... one that you and I Rob have spent months, years even, attempting to perfect!
    The most prestigious prize in PBdom.
  • fitalass
    fitalass Posts: 4,444
    peter_from_putney said:

    Strange time to introduce a new thread - Oh well, I'll just say goodnight to everyone, especially to the returning fitalass.

    I thought the same thing too. Anyhoos, Nite PfP & PBers.
  • CarlottaVance
    CarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Alex Salmond has suggested the appointment of Boris Johnson as prime minister could be the "material change of circumstances" that triggers another independence referendum.

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14471087.Alex_Salmond__Boris_as_PM__could_trigger_another_independence_vote_/?ref=twtrec

    So we can add that to 'if there's an 'r' in the month'......
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,609
    CarlottaVance said:

    Alex Salmond has suggested the appointment of Boris Johnson as prime minister could be the "material change of circumstances" that triggers another independence referendum.

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14471087.Alex_Salmond__Boris_as_PM__could_trigger_another_independence_vote_/?ref=twtrec

    So we can add that to 'if there's an 'r' in the month'......

    I thought we had cleared this up. Cameron ordering two lumps in his tea, rather than one, is the minimum threshold for a "material change of circumstances". :p
  • peter_from_putney
    peter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    edited May 2016
    The Daily Telegraph :

    "David Cameron has 'no intention' of apologising to Donald Trump for calling him stupid"

    Yet another sign that Dave isn't intending to stick around as Prime Minister for very much longer?
    You simply can't say things like that about a potential incoming US President, even if you think them.
  • peter_from_putney
    peter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    peter_from_putney said:

    The Daily Telegraph :

    "David Cameron has 'no intention' of apologising to Donald Trump for calling him stupid"

    Yet another sign that Dave isn't intending to stick around as Prime Minister for very much longer?
    You simply can't say things like that about a potential incoming US President, even if you think them.

    It's all about respecting the Office, if not the man.
  • CarlottaVance
    CarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    peter_from_putney said:

    peter_from_putney said:

    The Daily Telegraph :

    "David Cameron has 'no intention' of apologising to Donald Trump for calling him stupid"

    Yet another sign that Dave isn't intending to stick around as Prime Minister for very much longer?
    You simply can't say things like that about a potential incoming US President, even if you think them.

    It's all about respecting the Office, if not the man.
    He doesn't hold office - yet - and if he does, lets see how much of his campaign rhetoric survives the transition......
  • Indigo
    Indigo Posts: 9,966
    CarlottaVance said:

    peter_from_putney said:

    peter_from_putney said:

    The Daily Telegraph :

    "David Cameron has 'no intention' of apologising to Donald Trump for calling him stupid"

    Yet another sign that Dave isn't intending to stick around as Prime Minister for very much longer?
    You simply can't say things like that about a potential incoming US President, even if you think them.

    It's all about respecting the Office, if not the man.
    He doesn't hold office - yet - and if he does, lets see how much of his campaign rhetoric survives the transition......
    Dave showing its him that is stupid. We spent the last eight year with a president in the white house that doesn't like this country, and Dave is working hard to make it last another eight years. The man is a fool.
  • Moses_
    Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    O/T
    Does it really matter how the campaigns went for each party? Just so long as "administrative errors" are avoided by failure to declare the costs of purchasing chocolate hob nobs for use on the campaign buses.
  • JohnLoony
    JohnLoony Posts: 1,790
    RobD said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Alex Salmond has suggested the appointment of Boris Johnson as prime minister could be the "material change of circumstances" that triggers another independence referendum.

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14471087.Alex_Salmond__Boris_as_PM__could_trigger_another_independence_vote_/?ref=twtrec

    So we can add that to 'if there's an 'r' in the month'......

    I thought we had cleared this up. Cameron ordering two lumps in his tea, rather than one, is the minimum threshold for a "material change of circumstances". :p
    That would be a quantitative change, but not enough to bring about a quantitative change. Thus there would be insufficient stimulus to the development of political consciousness beyond the background level of minimal activity at which it now exists.
  • TCPoliticalBetting
    TCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    Indigo said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    peter_from_putney said:

    peter_from_putney said:

    The Daily Telegraph :

    "David Cameron has 'no intention' of apologising to Donald Trump for calling him stupid"

    Yet another sign that Dave isn't intending to stick around as Prime Minister for very much longer?
    You simply can't say things like that about a potential incoming US President, even if you think them.

    It's all about respecting the Office, if not the man.
    He doesn't hold office - yet - and if he does, lets see how much of his campaign rhetoric survives the transition......
    Dave showing its him that is stupid. We spent the last eight year with a president in the white house that doesn't like this country, and Dave is working hard to make it last another eight years. The man is a fool.
    I agree, bizarre, arrogant behaviour.
  • felix
    felix Posts: 15,180
    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Indigo said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    peter_from_putney said:

    peter_from_putney said:

    The Daily Telegraph :

    "David Cameron has 'no intention' of apologising to Donald Trump for calling him stupid"

    Yet another sign that Dave isn't intending to stick around as Prime Minister for very much longer?
    You simply can't say things like that about a potential incoming US President, even if you think them.

    It's all about respecting the Office, if not the man.
    He doesn't hold office - yet - and if he does, lets see how much of his campaign rhetoric survives the transition......
    Dave showing its him that is stupid. We spent the last eight year with a president in the white house that doesn't like this country, and Dave is working hard to make it last another eight years. The man is a fool.
    I agree, bizarre, arrogant behaviour.
    Lol - for the Brexiteers on here any excuse to kick Cameron - everything is viewed through the prism of Europe. Naff and pathetic.
  • Moses_
    Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    How inconsiderate..... What am I to use now to light my Havanas?

    European Central Bank to withdraw €500 note

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36208146
  • Robert_Of_Sheffield
    Robert_Of_Sheffield Posts: 207
    Here in Sheffield Brightside and Hillsborough, I've had a couple of leaflets from Labour inviting me to cast five votes for them: three for the council, one for the police commissioner, and one for the new MP. I've also had one leaflet each from the liberals, the conservatives, and UKIP, and seen two or three election posters up in windows.

    Overall though, there's been very little visible campaigning - no more than in a normal local election.
  • Moses_
    Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    edited May 2016
    felix said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Indigo said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    peter_from_putney said:

    peter_from_putney said:

    The Daily Telegraph :

    "David Cameron has 'no intention' of apologising to Donald Trump for calling him stupid"

    Yet another sign that Dave isn't intending to stick around as Prime Minister for very much longer?
    You simply can't say things like that about a potential incoming US President, even if you think them.

    It's all about respecting the Office, if not the man.
    He doesn't hold office - yet - and if he does, lets see how much of his campaign rhetoric survives the transition......
    Dave showing its him that is stupid. We spent the last eight year with a president in the white house that doesn't like this country, and Dave is working hard to make it last another eight years. The man is a fool.
    I agree, bizarre, arrogant behaviour.
    Lol - for the Brexiteers on here any excuse to kick Cameron - everything is viewed through the prism of Europe. Naff and pathetic.
    To be fair arrogance would be Cameron flying to the USA and urging the citizens to vote for a US president that wished to have the laws of the USA decided in Vera Cruz while allowing freedom of movement under El Scheng:smile:
  • Plato_Says
    Plato_Says Posts: 11,822
    peter_from_putney said:

    The Daily Telegraph :

    "David Cameron has 'no intention' of apologising to Donald Trump for calling him stupid"

    Yet another sign that Dave isn't intending to stick around as Prime Minister for very much longer?
    You simply can't say things like that about a potential incoming US President, even if you think them.

    What's happened to him? Until this EU ref business kicked off, he was the model of good manners except at PMQs. Now he's being unprofessionally rude, boorish and childish. I'm embarrassed at him insulting a potential future POTUS.
  • Plato_Says
    Plato_Says Posts: 11,822
    peter_from_putney said:

    peter_from_putney said:

    The Daily Telegraph :

    "David Cameron has 'no intention' of apologising to Donald Trump for calling him stupid"

    Yet another sign that Dave isn't intending to stick around as Prime Minister for very much longer?
    You simply can't say things like that about a potential incoming US President, even if you think them.

    It's all about respecting the Office, if not the man.
    Exactly. BTW anyone else getting the smilies box appearing all the time? I can't get rid of it :neutral:
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    edited May 2016
    Forgotten bye elections? I am not sure I even knew. This is indeed a busy day. Pity they are not more of a test of the state of Corbyn's Labour. But we perhaps have enough of these.
  • not_on_fire
    not_on_fire Posts: 4,451
    edited May 2016
    Plato_Says said:

    peter_from_putney said:

    The Daily Telegraph :

    "David Cameron has 'no intention' of apologising to Donald Trump for calling him stupid"

    Yet another sign that Dave isn't intending to stick around as Prime Minister for very much longer?
    You simply can't say things like that about a potential incoming US President, even if you think them.

    What's happened to him? Until this EU ref business kicked off, he was the model of good manners except at PMQs. Now he's being unprofessionally rude, boorish and childish. I'm embarrassed at him insulting a potential future POTUS.
    On the contrary, I (and others I suspect) have gained respect for Cameron for refusing to pretend he now likes a divisive demagogue just because he's a presidential candidate.

    Anyway, the Leave campaign have assured us that it doesn't matter what the US president thinks of us :smile:
  • foxinsoxuk
    foxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    not_on_fire said:


    Plato_Says said:

    peter_from_putney said:

    The Daily Telegraph :

    "David Cameron has 'no intention' of apologising to Donald Trump for calling him stupid"

    Yet another sign that Dave isn't intending to stick around as Prime Minister for very much longer?
    You simply can't say things like that about a potential incoming US President, even if you think them.

    What's happened to him? Until this EU ref business kicked off, he was the model of good manners except at PMQs. Now he's being unprofessionally rude, boorish and childish. I'm embarrassed at him insulting a potential future POTUS.
    On the contrary, I (and others I suspect) have gained respect for Cameron for refusing to pretend he has respect for a divisive demagogue just because he's a presidential candidate.

    Anyway, the Leave campaign have assured us that it doesn't matter what the US president thinks of us :smile:
    Its not as if Trump is shy about insulting people himself!

    Off to vote in the PCC election before work. It is our only election locally, and nothing from any candidate. A very poor show.

  • ThreeQuidder
    ThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Today I get to vote against a candidate who wants to institutionalise racial discrimination.

    Can't quite believe I need to write that in 2016 but there you go.
  • OldKingCole
    OldKingCole Posts: 35,275
    foxinsoxuk said:

    not_on_fire said:


    Plato_Says said:

    peter_from_putney said:

    The Daily Telegraph :

    "David Cameron has 'no intention' of apologising to Donald Trump for calling him stupid"

    Yet another sign that Dave isn't intending to stick around as Prime Minister for very much longer?
    You simply can't say things like that about a potential incoming US President, even if you think them.

    What's happened to him? Until this EU ref business kicked off, he was the model of good manners except at PMQs. Now he's being unprofessionally rude, boorish and childish. I'm embarrassed at him insulting a potential future POTUS.
    On the contrary, I (and others I suspect) have gained respect for Cameron for refusing to pretend he has respect for a divisive demagogue just because he's a presidential candidate.

    Anyway, the Leave campaign have assured us that it doesn't matter what the US president thinks of us :smile:
    Its not as if Trump is shy about insulting people himself!

    Off to vote in the PCC election before work. It is our only election locally, and nothing from any candidate. A very poor show.

    We’re in the same situation here. Just have to hope that Kippers aren’t motivated. Bob Spink as a PCC!!!!!!
  • CarlottaVance
    CarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    not_on_fire said:

    Plato_Says said:

    peter_from_putney said:

    The Daily Telegraph :

    "David Cameron has 'no intention' of apologising to Donald Trump for calling him stupid"

    Yet another sign that Dave isn't intending to stick around as Prime Minister for very much longer?
    You simply can't say things like that about a potential incoming US President, even if you think them.

    What's happened to him? Until this EU ref business kicked off, he was the model of good manners except at PMQs. Now he's being unprofessionally rude, boorish and childish. I'm embarrassed at him insulting a potential future POTUS.
    On the contrary, I (and others I suspect) have gained respect for Cameron for refusing to pretend he now likes a divisive demagogue just because he's a presidential candidate.

    Anyway, the Leave campaign have assured us that it doesn't matter what the US president thinks of us :smile:
    Should I infer that those complaining about Cameron's criticism of Trump agree that Muslims should be barred from The USA?

    If so, how, exactly would you enforce it?
  • Plato_Says
    Plato_Says Posts: 11,822
    OldKingCole said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    not_on_fire said:


    Plato_Says said:

    peter_from_putney said:

    The Daily Telegraph :

    "David Cameron has 'no intention' of apologising to Donald Trump for calling him stupid"

    Yet another sign that Dave isn't intending to stick around as Prime Minister for very much longer?
    You simply can't say things like that about a potential incoming US President, even if you think them.

    What's happened to him? Until this EU ref business kicked off, he was the model of good manners except at PMQs. Now he's being unprofessionally rude, boorish and childish. I'm embarrassed at him insulting a potential future POTUS.
    On the contrary, I (and others I suspect) have gained respect for Cameron for refusing to pretend he has respect for a divisive demagogue just because he's a presidential candidate.

    Anyway, the Leave campaign have assured us that it doesn't matter what the US president thinks of us :smile:
    Its not as if Trump is shy about insulting people himself!

    Off to vote in the PCC election before work. It is our only election locally, and nothing from any candidate. A very poor show.

    We’re in the same situation here. Just have to hope that Kippers aren’t motivated. Bob Spink as a PCC!!!!!!
    No blurb from any PCC either. No other elections. It's going to be a very long wait until 10pm. A whole day without any political news...
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    foxinsoxuk said:

    not_on_fire said:


    Plato_Says said:

    peter_from_putney said:

    The Daily Telegraph :

    "David Cameron has 'no intention' of apologising to Donald Trump for calling him stupid"

    Yet another sign that Dave isn't intending to stick around as Prime Minister for very much longer?
    You simply can't say things like that about a potential incoming US President, even if you think them.

    What's happened to him? Until this EU ref business kicked off, he was the model of good manners except at PMQs. Now he's being unprofessionally rude, boorish and childish. I'm embarrassed at him insulting a potential future POTUS.
    On the contrary, I (and others I suspect) have gained respect for Cameron for refusing to pretend he has respect for a divisive demagogue just because he's a presidential candidate.

    Anyway, the Leave campaign have assured us that it doesn't matter what the US president thinks of us :smile:
    Its not as if Trump is shy about insulting people himself!

    Off to vote in the PCC election before work. It is our only election locally, and nothing from any candidate. A very poor show.

    Not a bleep about the PCC election - anywhere.

    I had to google for the manifestos at 9pm last night to work out how was standing and who to go for.
  • Moses_
    Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Plato_Says said:

    peter_from_putney said:

    peter_from_putney said:

    The Daily Telegraph :

    "David Cameron has 'no intention' of apologising to Donald Trump for calling him stupid"

    Yet another sign that Dave isn't intending to stick around as Prime Minister for very much longer?
    You simply can't say things like that about a potential incoming US President, even if you think them.

    It's all about respecting the Office, if not the man.
    Exactly. BTW anyone else getting the smilies box appearing all the time? I can't get rid of it :neutral:
    Yes
    The box when you edit is also showing only 2 sentences in view and cannot be expanded.
  • richardDodd
    richardDodd Posts: 5,472
    edited May 2016
    CAMERON is right..Trump has been stupid and divisive..when he stops then people will stop calling him stupid....
  • Plato_Says
    Plato_Says Posts: 11,822
    WTF?

    Care home residents ripped off by GPs charging c£26m pa for treatment they're entitled to free on the NHS http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/gps-make-care-home-residents-pay-for-treatments-that-should-be-free-qmvjp7pkd
  • Moses_
    Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Sky news showing Twickenham polling station with a blue rosetted person standing right by the door and it appears anyway to be handing out leaflets. I thought that campaigning within a certain distance of a polling station was not allowed?
    Can't remember rules on this.
  • Indigo
    Indigo Posts: 9,966
    richardDodd said:

    CAMERON is right..Trump has been stupid and divisive..when he stops then people will stop calling him stupid....

    Erm.. no. Anyone that enters politics and sweeps aside the entire party machine including big names like Bush and Rubio is not stupid. He has played it perfectly to get the nomination from nowhere. Dave "Refuge Camps in Kent" Cameron has no room to call anyone divisive.
  • MikeK
    MikeK Posts: 9,053
    Good morning, with the news just in, that the newspaper New Day is to close after just 9 weeks of operation. (BBC)

    Newspapers going the way of Golliwogs and the Dodo.

    It will be a sad day when they all disappear and we have only electronic gizmos clicked to ones lug'oles for the news. What will the cartoonists do I wonder?

  • Indigo
    Indigo Posts: 9,966
    edited May 2016
    felix said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Indigo said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    peter_from_putney said:

    peter_from_putney said:

    The Daily Telegraph :

    "David Cameron has 'no intention' of apologising to Donald Trump for calling him stupid"

    Yet another sign that Dave isn't intending to stick around as Prime Minister for very much longer?
    You simply can't say things like that about a potential incoming US President, even if you think them.

    It's all about respecting the Office, if not the man.
    He doesn't hold office - yet - and if he does, lets see how much of his campaign rhetoric survives the transition......
    Dave showing its him that is stupid. We spent the last eight year with a president in the white house that doesn't like this country, and Dave is working hard to make it last another eight years. The man is a fool.
    I agree, bizarre, arrogant behaviour.
    Lol - for the Brexiteers on here any excuse to kick Cameron - everything is viewed through the prism of Europe. Naff and pathetic.
    Lol, it was you that mentioned the EU, I think Cameron loyalists are the obsessives, prepared to throw their country away just to protect their man, the very definition of obsessive.

    I have been a critic of Cameron since he got the job, its has nothing to do with the EU, and everything to do with him being an unprincipled liar.
  • ydoethur
    ydoethur Posts: 74,263
    Indigo said:

    richardDodd said:

    CAMERON is right..Trump has been stupid and divisive..when he stops then people will stop calling him stupid....

    Erm.. no. Anyone that enters politics and sweeps aside the entire party machine including big names like Bush and Rubio is not stupid. He has played it perfectly to get the nomination from nowhere. Dave "Refuge Camps in Kent" Cameron has no room to call anyone divisive.
    I don't know, Corbyn managed it and he has never exactly demonstrated intellectual ability, personal charm or even a smidgeon of character.
  • richardDodd
    richardDodd Posts: 5,472
    edited May 2016
    Indigo You are entitled to your opinion..How will Trump kick out 9 million illegals....stop all Muslims entering the States...that is spectacularly stupid......we could keep this up all day..
  • Plato_Says
    Plato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Moses_ said:

    Sky news showing Twickenham polling station with a blue rosetted person standing right by the door and it appears anyway to be handing out leaflets. I thought that campaigning within a certain distance of a polling station was not allowed?
    Can't remember rules on this.

    Isn't it just *inside* the polling station?
  • MikeK
    MikeK Posts: 9,053
    Casino_Royale said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    not_on_fire said:


    Plato_Says said:

    peter_from_putney said:

    The Daily Telegraph :

    "David Cameron has 'no intention' of apologising to Donald Trump for calling him stupid"

    Yet another sign that Dave isn't intending to stick around as Prime Minister for very much longer?
    You simply can't say things like that about a potential incoming US President, even if you think them.

    What's happened to him? Until this EU ref business kicked off, he was the model of good manners except at PMQs. Now he's being unprofessionally rude, boorish and childish. I'm embarrassed at him insulting a potential future POTUS.
    On the contrary, I (and others I suspect) have gained respect for Cameron for refusing to pretend he has respect for a divisive demagogue just because he's a presidential candidate.

    Anyway, the Leave campaign have assured us that it doesn't matter what the US president thinks of us :smile:
    Its not as if Trump is shy about insulting people himself!

    Off to vote in the PCC election before work. It is our only election locally, and nothing from any candidate. A very poor show.

    Not a bleep about the PCC election - anywhere.

    I had to google for the manifestos at 9pm last night to work out how was standing and who to go for.
    Take a brief look at the foreign news sources; there's always a comment or two on our elections.
  • Indigo
    Indigo Posts: 9,966
    ydoethur said:

    Indigo said:

    richardDodd said:

    CAMERON is right..Trump has been stupid and divisive..when he stops then people will stop calling him stupid....

    Erm.. no. Anyone that enters politics and sweeps aside the entire party machine including big names like Bush and Rubio is not stupid. He has played it perfectly to get the nomination from nowhere. Dave "Refuge Camps in Kent" Cameron has no room to call anyone divisive.
    I don't know, Corbyn managed it and he has never exactly demonstrated intellectual ability, personal charm or even a smidgeon of character.
    He has been an MP for how many years ? Its a massive stretch to try and paint him as an outsider.
  • TCPoliticalBetting
    TCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    felix said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Indigo said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    peter_from_putney said:

    peter_from_putney said:

    The Daily Telegraph :

    "David Cameron has 'no intention' of apologising to Donald Trump for calling him stupid"

    Yet another sign that Dave isn't intending to stick around as Prime Minister for very much longer?
    You simply can't say things like that about a potential incoming US President, even if you think them.

    It's all about respecting the Office, if not the man.
    He doesn't hold office - yet - and if he does, lets see how much of his campaign rhetoric survives the transition......
    Dave showing its him that is stupid. We spent the last eight year with a president in the white house that doesn't like this country, and Dave is working hard to make it last another eight years. The man is a fool.
    I agree, bizarre, arrogant behaviour.
    Lol - for the Brexiteers on here any excuse to kick Cameron - everything is viewed through the prism of Europe. Naff and pathetic.
    So you think that insulting a person who may soon be the USA President was not a stupid move?
  • Indigo
    Indigo Posts: 9,966
    richardDodd said:

    Indigo You are entitled to your opinion..How will Trump kick out 9 million illegals....stop all Muslims entering the States...that is spectacularly stupid......we could keep this up all day..

    10's of thousands of immigrants etc... politicians lie shocker.
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    Several cars driving around Edinburgh yesterday evening with SNP flags mounted on them. Quite professionally done, clearly a kit rather than a home made job. Other than that and some leaflets through the door, however, this has been a peculiarly low key election with nothing like the fervour of either the referendum or even of the GE. We had one set of Tory canvassers very early on but nothing since.

    I think this is mainly because the result is a foregone conclusion. Everyone knows we are heading for another SNP majority. I expect them to get a majority from the constituency seats alone. The battle for second place may excite some political activists but the majority of the public really don't care about that.

    I think there is a good chance that the Tories, sorry Ruths, will pick up maybe 10 additional seats tonight. Quite an achievement but the bar is set at second and that is a very big ask. London does not count until tomorrow and is equally a foregone conclusion. Where is the excitement that will make it worth staying up late tonight? Wales?
  • murali_s
    murali_s Posts: 3,084
    Plato_Says said:

    Moses_ said:

    Sky news showing Twickenham polling station with a blue rosetted person standing right by the door and it appears anyway to be handing out leaflets. I thought that campaigning within a certain distance of a polling station was not allowed?
    Can't remember rules on this.

    Isn't it just *inside* the polling station?
    Tories and election rules don't always go hand in hand...
  • ydoethur
    ydoethur Posts: 74,263
    Plato_Says said:

    Moses_ said:

    Sky news showing Twickenham polling station with a blue rosetted person standing right by the door and it appears anyway to be handing out leaflets. I thought that campaigning within a certain distance of a polling station was not allowed?
    Can't remember rules on this.

    Isn't it just *inside* the polling station?
    I have to say I thought next to the door was particularly ruled out. Maybe the person doesn't know the rules? Not exactly the best line if so...
  • CarlottaVance
    CarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    richardDodd said:

    CAMERON is right..Trump has been stupid and divisive..when he stops then people will stop calling him stupid....

    And when he reverses policy as President all those criticising Cameron now will nod sagely in approval, this passing umbrage quietly forgotten......
  • Charles
    Charles Posts: 35,758
    ydoethur said:

    Plato_Says said:

    Moses_ said:

    Sky news showing Twickenham polling station with a blue rosetted person standing right by the door and it appears anyway to be handing out leaflets. I thought that campaigning within a certain distance of a polling station was not allowed?
    Can't remember rules on this.

    Isn't it just *inside* the polling station?
    I have to say I thought next to the door was particularly ruled out. Maybe the person doesn't know the rules? Not exactly the best line if so...
    Better than 'only following orders'?
  • SouthamObserver
    SouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    felix said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Indigo said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    peter_from_putney said:

    peter_from_putney said:

    The Daily Telegraph :

    "David Cameron has 'no intention' of apologising to Donald Trump for calling him stupid"

    Yet another sign that Dave isn't intending to stick around as Prime Minister for very much longer?
    You simply can't say things like that about a potential incoming US President, even if you think them.

    It's all about respecting the Office, if not the man.
    He doesn't hold office - yet - and if he does, lets see how much of his campaign rhetoric survives the transition......
    Dave showing its him that is stupid. We spent the last eight year with a president in the white house that doesn't like this country, and Dave is working hard to make it last another eight years. The man is a fool.
    I agree, bizarre, arrogant behaviour.
    Lol - for the Brexiteers on here any excuse to kick Cameron - everything is viewed through the prism of Europe. Naff and pathetic.
    So you think that insulting a person who may soon be the USA President was not a stupid move?

    I'd say it is less stupid than insulting someone who is already US president.

  • Wanderer
    Wanderer Posts: 3,838
    As I recall Cameron took issue with Trump when the latter started talking about excluding Muslims - not Islamists or Jihadists but all Muslims, regardless of who they were or what they had done - from the US. Cameron was quite right to speak out against such treatment of law-abiding British citizens.
  • Moses_
    Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Ok off out and before I go....... What's blue and white and sings Cuban music?


    Gloria Leicesterfan.

    (S'kay .....already have me coat on)
  • ydoethur
    ydoethur Posts: 74,263
    Indigo said:

    ydoethur said:

    Indigo said:

    richardDodd said:

    CAMERON is right..Trump has been stupid and divisive..when he stops then people will stop calling him stupid....

    Erm.. no. Anyone that enters politics and sweeps aside the entire party machine including big names like Bush and Rubio is not stupid. He has played it perfectly to get the nomination from nowhere. Dave "Refuge Camps in Kent" Cameron has no room to call anyone divisive.
    I don't know, Corbyn managed it and he has never exactly demonstrated intellectual ability, personal charm or even a smidgeon of character.
    He has been an MP for how many years ? Its a massive stretch to try and paint him as an outsider.
    32, during which time he did of course vote against the Labour Party more than the current Conservative leader did.

    He was not outside the party but he was undoubtedly outside the core leadership group that normally arranges these things. Despite that, he stormed the leadership by a far more convincing margin than Trump has.

    My point that he has no qualities of leadership, no ability or charisma therefore seems to me to be valid. People appear to he furious with old leadership elites in the aftermath of the depression and turning to any candidate who isn't from them, no matter how preternaturally useless they are (cf Tsipras).

    I suppose we should be grateful that so far they've stuck to the idiots and that the far right hasn't risen. But with events in Greece and Austria plus the collapse of the French mainstream, I'm worried that's not far away.
  • OldKingCole
    OldKingCole Posts: 35,275
    Plato_Says said:

    WTF?

    Care home residents ripped off by GPs charging c£26m pa for treatment they're entitled to free on the NHS http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/gps-make-care-home-residents-pay-for-treatments-that-should-be-free-qmvjp7pkd

    I heard about this once or twice in my Care Home Inspecting days. Would have advised the Home to a) change and b) complain if it had been one of “mine”,
    Changing could be difficult, though, if all other local GP’s refused to accept new patients. It wasn’t unusual to find that individual GP’s would only accept two or three patients from any home.
  • SouthamObserver
    SouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    MikeK said:

    Good morning, with the news just in, that the newspaper New Day is to close after just 9 weeks of operation. (BBC)

    Newspapers going the way of Golliwogs and the Dodo.

    It will be a sad day when they all disappear and we have only electronic gizmos clicked to ones lug'oles for the news. What will the cartoonists do I wonder?

    It was obvious on the day it was launched that New Day was not going to last. We discussed it on here. The whole thing was developed on the back of focus groups that said they'd definitely buy newspapers that were optimistic and did not shove opinions down readers' throats. Of course they would :-D
  • NickPalmer
    NickPalmer Posts: 21,724
    edited May 2016
    Funny Mayoral round-up:

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/05/from-pints-to-propaganda-its-the-london-mayoral-election-awards

    Oh, and spare a thought for me today - two extractions and five implants all in one session. Exciting!
  • Indigo
    Indigo Posts: 9,966
    edited May 2016
    richardDodd said:

    Indigo You are entitled to your opinion..How will Trump kick out 9 million illegals....stop all Muslims entering the States...that is spectacularly stupid......we could keep this up all day..

    Don't have to listen to me, try the Washington Post, hardly a Trump cheerleader:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/05/03/winners-and-losers-from-the-indiana-primary/
    A first-time candidate, he systematically dismantled Rick Perry, Scott Walker, Jeb Bush, Chris Christie and Marco Rubio -- to name just a few. And, even amid the relentless media coverage of whether Trump had peaked or whether his moment had passed, he led the race virtually wire to wire. He won in the Midwest, the West, the South and the East. He won among very conservative voters and moderate voters. He won and won and won.

    But take nothing away from what Trump has accomplished in this Republican primary. It is, simply put, the single most amazing thing I have seen in my 18 years of covering politics.
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    Wanderer said:

    As I recall Cameron took issue with Trump when the latter started talking about excluding Muslims - not Islamists or Jihadists but all Muslims, regardless of who they were or what they had done - from the US. Cameron was quite right to speak out against such treatment of law-abiding British citizens.

    Correct. This was during his "we'll stop all Muslims from coming to the United States until we know what the hell is going on" phase where Trump was simply and successfully focussed on dominating the headlines and excluding all the other republican candidates from media attention. It worked and proved to be far from stupid.

    I think he has moved on and purports to have some idea of what is going on now. This really is a complete non story.
  • OldKingCole
    OldKingCole Posts: 35,275
    NickPalmer said:

    Funny Mayoral round-up:

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/05/from-pints-to-propaganda-its-the-london-mayoral-election-awards

    Oh, and spare a thought for me today - two extractions and five implants all in one session. Exciting!

    That’s a tough day ahead. Congratiulations on being able to face it.
  • richardDodd
    richardDodd Posts: 5,472
    Indigo..I thought we were discussing Trumps stupidity..How about "WMD and 45 minutes to fire" "I have seen Incontrovertible proof of WMD".."The end of Boom and Bust".."Absolutely no Antisemitism in the Labour Party"....gonna be a long day.
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    NickPalmer said:

    Funny Mayoral round-up:

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/05/from-pints-to-propaganda-its-the-london-mayoral-election-awards

    Oh, and spare a thought for me today - two extractions and five implants all in one session. Exciting!

    Ouch. You are not pulling a John Major here are you? I recall he was peculiarly unavailable due to dental issues when Maggie was on the brink.
  • david_herdson
    david_herdson Posts: 18,357
    Plato_Says said:

    Moses_ said:

    Sky news showing Twickenham polling station with a blue rosetted person standing right by the door and it appears anyway to be handing out leaflets. I thought that campaigning within a certain distance of a polling station was not allowed?
    Can't remember rules on this.

    Isn't it just *inside* the polling station?
    Inside is definitely out. I can't remember the precise wording but the area outside is a grey zone and the nature of the campaigning should be taken into account. The voter should have no cause to feel intimidated.
  • blackburn63
    blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    I quite like Trump but if Cameron thinks he's stupid he should stand by it.

    Let's hope this is the beginning of a trend where faux outrage and looking to be insulted on behalf of others dies out.

    I think Cameron is divisive, I don't think he's stupid, I'm not going to apologise.
  • richardDodd
    richardDodd Posts: 5,472
    Indigo.. the day I rely on newspapers to help me form an opinion will hopefully be my last day on the planet
  • Blue_rog
    Blue_rog Posts: 2,019
    O/T On Sky News paper review, they were all having a laugh about the senior police officers having a punch up at a BBQ over an affair. Interesting that no-one thought about the sexist ramifications of this.

    Why does a woman want/need a man to defend her 'honour'?
    Where is the woman's right to choose?
    Does this not smack (pun) of 'ownership'?

    Just a thought
  • runnymede
    runnymede Posts: 2,536
    peter_from_putney said:

    The Daily Telegraph :

    "David Cameron has 'no intention' of apologising to Donald Trump for calling him stupid"

    Yet another sign that Dave isn't intending to stick around as Prime Minister for very much longer?
    You simply can't say things like that about a potential incoming US President, even if you think them.

    that's exactly how I interpreted it
  • Indigo
    Indigo Posts: 9,966
    richardDodd said:

    Indigo..I thought we were discussing Trumps stupidity..How about "WMD and 45 minutes to fire" "I have seen Incontrovertible proof of WMD".."The end of Boom and Bust".."Absolutely no Antisemitism in the Labour Party"....gonna be a long day.


    You gave examples of some things that Trump had promised he had no way of delivering, I was pointing out that our own leader has more than a certain track record in that regard and that it wasn't exactly an unusual behaviour in a politician.
  • blackburn63
    blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    SouthamObserver said:

    MikeK said:

    Good morning, with the news just in, that the newspaper New Day is to close after just 9 weeks of operation. (BBC)

    Newspapers going the way of Golliwogs and the Dodo.

    It will be a sad day when they all disappear and we have only electronic gizmos clicked to ones lug'oles for the news. What will the cartoonists do I wonder?

    It was obvious on the day it was launched that New Day was not going to last. We discussed it on here. The whole thing was developed on the back of focus groups that said they'd definitely buy newspapers that were optimistic and did not shove opinions down readers' throats. Of course they would :-D
    The whole thing is weird, I can't imagine why anybody would think that launching a newspaper is a good idea
  • SandraM
    SandraM Posts: 206
    Good morning. I live in the Havant Borough area and so far I've seen only 4 local election posters up throughout the borough - all Conservative. The only candidate I've received a flyer from is the Conservative. The names of the other candidates were published in a local paper but I know nothing about them or their policies.

    It's been very low key even by local election standards.
  • blackburn63
    blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    richardDodd said:

    Indigo.. the day I rely on newspapers to help me form an opinion will hopefully be my last day on the planet

    There must have been occasions when articles have helped you form a view
  • ydoethur
    ydoethur Posts: 74,263
    edited May 2016
    david_herdson said:

    Plato_Says said:

    Moses_ said:

    Sky news showing Twickenham polling station with a blue rosetted person standing right by the door and it appears anyway to be handing out leaflets. I thought that campaigning within a certain distance of a polling station was not allowed?
    Can't remember rules on this.

    Isn't it just *inside* the polling station?
    Inside is definitely out.
    Was that rather brilliant pun deliberate?
  • SouthamObserver
    SouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    blackburn63 said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    MikeK said:

    Good morning, with the news just in, that the newspaper New Day is to close after just 9 weeks of operation. (BBC)

    Newspapers going the way of Golliwogs and the Dodo.

    It will be a sad day when they all disappear and we have only electronic gizmos clicked to ones lug'oles for the news. What will the cartoonists do I wonder?

    It was obvious on the day it was launched that New Day was not going to last. We discussed it on here. The whole thing was developed on the back of focus groups that said they'd definitely buy newspapers that were optimistic and did not shove opinions down readers' throats. Of course they would :-D
    The whole thing is weird, I can't imagine why anybody would think that launching a newspaper is a good idea

    I agree - maybe there's some kind of tax write-off angle.

  • Indigo
    Indigo Posts: 9,966
    edited May 2016
    SandraM said:

    Good morning. I live in the Havant Borough area and so far I've seen only 4 local election posters up throughout the borough - all Conservative. The only candidate I've received a flyer from is the Conservative. The names of the other candidates were published in a local paper but I know nothing about them or their policies.

    It's been very low key even by local election standards.

    Do you have that renowned eurosceptic opportunist europhile Alan Mak for your MP ?
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    Scottish Tory surge klaxon

    Scottish Parliament voting intention:
    SNP: 48% (-2)
    LAB: 22% (+1)
    CON: 19% (+1)
    LDEM: 7% (+2)
    (via YouGov / 02 - 04 May)

    Scottish Parliament voting intention (list):
    SNP: 41% (-4)
    CON: 20% (+2)
    LAB: 19% (-)
    GRN: 9% (+1)
    LDEM: 6% (+1)
    UKIP: 4% (+1)
    (via YouGov)
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    Scottish Independence poll:
    Yes (pro-Indy): 41% (-)
    No (pro-UK): 48% (-1)
    (via YouGov / 02 - 04 May)
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    Net Well/Badly ratings of...
    Sturgeon: +26
    Davidson: +8
    Dugdale: -18
    (via YouGov)
  • blackburn63
    blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    runnymede said:

    peter_from_putney said:

    The Daily Telegraph :

    "David Cameron has 'no intention' of apologising to Donald Trump for calling him stupid"

    Yet another sign that Dave isn't intending to stick around as Prime Minister for very much longer?
    You simply can't say things like that about a potential incoming US President, even if you think them.

    that's exactly how I interpreted it
    Exactly, everything Cameron does is for effect, part of the plan.

    I couldn't really hold him in lower esteem but I would if he apologised. The irony is in him calling somebody else divisive.
  • Blue_rog
    Blue_rog Posts: 2,019
    My wife made me smile.

    One of our local LD candidates is Sandy Lye, she wondered if his favourite cocktails was Sex on the Beach :grin:
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,459
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scottish Tory surge klaxon

    Scottish Parliament voting intention:
    SNP: 48% (-2)
    LAB: 22% (+1)
    CON: 19% (+1)
    LDEM: 7% (+2)
    (via YouGov / 02 - 04 May)

    Scottish Parliament voting intention (list):
    SNP: 41% (-4)
    CON: 20% (+2)
    LAB: 19% (-)
    GRN: 9% (+1)
    LDEM: 6% (+1)
    UKIP: 4% (+1)
    (via YouGov)

    Broken Sleazy Nats on the outside-the-margin-of-error slide...
  • david_herdson
    david_herdson Posts: 18,357
    blackburn63 said:

    I quite like Trump but if Cameron thinks he's stupid he should stand by it.

    Let's hope this is the beginning of a trend where faux outrage and looking to be insulted on behalf of others dies out.

    I think Cameron is divisive, I don't think he's stupid, I'm not going to apologise.

    Wasn't it that Cameron said that Trump's *policy* re muslims enterin the country was stupid, divisive and wrong? Which it is. He might have worded it clumsily but it's obvious that was the meaning.
  • blackburn63
    blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    SouthamObserver said:

    blackburn63 said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    MikeK said:

    Good morning, with the news just in, that the newspaper New Day is to close after just 9 weeks of operation. (BBC)

    Newspapers going the way of Golliwogs and the Dodo.

    It will be a sad day when they all disappear and we have only electronic gizmos clicked to ones lug'oles for the news. What will the cartoonists do I wonder?

    It was obvious on the day it was launched that New Day was not going to last. We discussed it on here. The whole thing was developed on the back of focus groups that said they'd definitely buy newspapers that were optimistic and did not shove opinions down readers' throats. Of course they would :-D
    The whole thing is weird, I can't imagine why anybody would think that launching a newspaper is a good idea

    I agree - maybe there's some kind of tax write-off angle.

    Yeah I wondered that but tbh its not something I know about or understand. It was money down the drain, anyone could have seen that
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    On topic, Sheffield has moved out to all out elections today instead of thirds, so that's boosted Labour GOTV activity, I don't think there's been any visit from top Kippers to the seat either.

    All would point to a comfortable Labour hold.
  • SandraM
    SandraM Posts: 206
    Indigo said:

    SandraM said:

    Good morning. I live in the Havant Borough area and so far I've seen only 4 local election posters up throughout the borough - all Conservative. The only candidate I've received a flyer from is the Conservative. The names of the other candidates were published in a local paper but I know nothing about them or their policies.

    It's been very low key even by local election standards.

    Do you have that renowned eurosceptic opportunist europhile Alan Mak for your MP ?
    Yes.

  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,459
    OldKingCole said:

    NickPalmer said:

    Funny Mayoral round-up:

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/05/from-pints-to-propaganda-its-the-london-mayoral-election-awards

    Oh, and spare a thought for me today - two extractions and five implants all in one session. Exciting!

    That’s a tough day ahead. Congratiulations on being able to face it.
    It's probably easier for Nick to face than last year's May election...
  • blackburn63
    blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    david_herdson said:

    blackburn63 said:

    I quite like Trump but if Cameron thinks he's stupid he should stand by it.

    Let's hope this is the beginning of a trend where faux outrage and looking to be insulted on behalf of others dies out.

    I think Cameron is divisive, I don't think he's stupid, I'm not going to apologise.

    Wasn't it that Cameron said that Trump's *policy* re muslims enterin the country was stupid, divisive and wrong? Which it is. He might have worded it clumsily but it's obvious that was the meaning.
    Yes, that's exactly my point, no need to apologise, stand by what you say.
  • Indigo
    Indigo Posts: 9,966
    david_herdson said:

    blackburn63 said:

    I quite like Trump but if Cameron thinks he's stupid he should stand by it.

    Let's hope this is the beginning of a trend where faux outrage and looking to be insulted on behalf of others dies out.

    I think Cameron is divisive, I don't think he's stupid, I'm not going to apologise.

    Wasn't it that Cameron said that Trump's *policy* re muslims enterin the country was stupid, divisive and wrong? Which it is. He might have worded it clumsily but it's obvious that was the meaning.
    Even that is playing with fire, better to say nothing and let your outriders take any pot shots that seem appropriate, so that you can disown the comment if it becomes an embarrassment. With thousands of returning ISIS fighters we have an unknown future as far as islamic terrorism in the UK.
  • JackW
    JackW Posts: 14,787
    California - Sextant

    Clinton 49 .. Sanders 39

    http://capweekly.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Toplines-5-3.pdf
  • SouthamObserver
    SouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scottish Independence poll:
    Yes (pro-Indy): 41% (-)
    No (pro-UK): 48% (-1)
    (via YouGov / 02 - 04 May)

    How does that translate if Don't Knows are excluded?

  • NickPalmer
    NickPalmer Posts: 21,724
    richardDodd said:

    Indigo.. the day I rely on newspapers to help me form an opinion will hopefully be my last day on the planet

    Unnerving image there.

    "Oh, God, I think he's going."
    "No, look, he's saying something!"
    "....give me...give me... a Daily Mail and a Guardian...I need help to decide my opinions today..."

    Many years ahead, I hope!
  • david_herdson
    david_herdson Posts: 18,357
    Indigo said:

    david_herdson said:

    blackburn63 said:

    I quite like Trump but if Cameron thinks he's stupid he should stand by it.

    Let's hope this is the beginning of a trend where faux outrage and looking to be insulted on behalf of others dies out.

    I think Cameron is divisive, I don't think he's stupid, I'm not going to apologise.

    Wasn't it that Cameron said that Trump's *policy* re muslims enterin the country was stupid, divisive and wrong? Which it is. He might have worded it clumsily but it's obvious that was the meaning.
    Even that is playing with fire, better to say nothing and let your outriders take any pot shots that seem appropriate, so that you can disown the comment if it becomes an embarrassment. With thousands of returning ISIS fighters we have an unknown future as far as islamic terrorism in the UK.
    Cameron is right to stand up for the right of law-abiding British muslims to enjoy the same immigration rights as any other British citizen. We should not collude in other countries' racist policies.
  • richardDodd
    richardDodd Posts: 5,472
    edited May 2016
    blackburn 63... Difficult... I don't read any papers with the intention of gleaning information..I just flick across the headlines. to see what the daily topic is.. and from where..and I haven't bought a paper for the last ten years..
  • Innocent_Abroad
    Innocent_Abroad Posts: 3,294
    NickPalmer said:

    richardDodd said:

    Indigo.. the day I rely on newspapers to help me form an opinion will hopefully be my last day on the planet

    Unnerving image there.

    "Oh, God, I think he's going."
    "No, look, he's saying something!"
    "....give me...give me... a Daily Mail and a Guardian...I need help to decide my opinions today..."

    Many years ahead, I hope!
    The way the industry's going, I think not a few of us may out-live print editions. Alas.

  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    SouthamObserver said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scottish Independence poll:
    Yes (pro-Indy): 41% (-)
    No (pro-UK): 48% (-1)
    (via YouGov / 02 - 04 May)

    How does that translate if Don't Knows are excluded?

    Yes 46%

    No 54%
  • Plato_Says
    Plato_Says Posts: 11,822
    SouthamObserver said:

    MikeK said:

    Good morning, with the news just in, that the newspaper New Day is to close after just 9 weeks of operation. (BBC)

    Newspapers going the way of Golliwogs and the Dodo.

    It will be a sad day when they all disappear and we have only electronic gizmos clicked to ones lug'oles for the news. What will the cartoonists do I wonder?

    It was obvious on the day it was launched that New Day was not going to last. We discussed it on here. The whole thing was developed on the back of focus groups that said they'd definitely buy newspapers that were optimistic and did not shove opinions down readers' throats. Of course they would :-D
    Their advertising was a dog too - all yummy mummy homeworkers, a very patronising one about *old people* not wanting to change unlike their enlightened upbeat readers, and the quality of the paper being much nicer. Just awful. I was mesmerised by it. They're only selling 44k a day. IIRC it started at about 200k at half price.
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scottish Tory surge klaxon

    Scottish Parliament voting intention:
    SNP: 48% (-2)
    LAB: 22% (+1)
    CON: 19% (+1)
    LDEM: 7% (+2)
    (via YouGov / 02 - 04 May)

    Scottish Parliament voting intention (list):
    SNP: 41% (-4)
    CON: 20% (+2)
    LAB: 19% (-)
    GRN: 9% (+1)
    LDEM: 6% (+1)
    UKIP: 4% (+1)
    (via YouGov)

    The changes are from the last poll but the comparison should really be from the last election where the SNP got 45 and 44 in the constituency and list votes respectively, Labour 32 and 26, Tories 14 and 12 and the Lib Dems 8 and 5.

    So the SNP are up on the constituencies and down on the list. Labour are seriously down on both and the Tories are up significantly, albeit from a catastrophically low base. Swing from Labour to Tory is 7.5%. Apply that to somewhere like Eastwood or Dumfriesshire and there is some room for optimism if the SNP don't spoil it all.
  • JackW
    JackW Posts: 14,787
    NickPalmer said:

    Oh, and spare a thought for me today - two extractions and five implants all in one session. Exciting!

    Sounds like a round up of recent news in the Labour party :

    Two antisemites out and five trots in ....

  • richardDodd
    richardDodd Posts: 5,472
    Nick Palmer..better take a whole stack of papers with you...just in case..
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    Hysterical.

    A few weeks ago some were saying Dave is Obama's poodle etc.

    Now Dave stands up to a potential POTUS, he's an idiot, un-First Lord of the Treasury.

    The logic chopping of Leavers is awesome.

    Now wish me luck, I have to knock up some voters
  • MikeK
    MikeK Posts: 9,053
    My take on this super exciting Election.

    1. Leaflets delivered through my letter box: None.
    2. Posters seen down my street: None.
    3. large posters seen in my area: None.

    ....and that's it Ladies and Gentlemen. Like a New Day newspaper, posters, leaflets are all being quietly junked,at least for this election.

    ........But I haven't seen a leaflet or a poster for the EuroRef either. ;)

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