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Ridicule, the only thing that Fiorina has ever won in politics.TheWhiteRabbit said:
And the concept of nominating a VP early with it.williamglenn said:
Carly Fiorina will have a place in history as the shortest VP campaign in history.TheWhiteRabbit said:
He may drop out. As much as he hates Trump, he loves himself more.HYUFD said:
He will stay in until Trump gets over the line, that can only happen with California, Cruz despises Trump, especially after he implied today his father was linked to the JFK assassinationwilliamglenn said:
He's surely going to quit the race before California and quite likely to do so tonight.Tim_B said:Both CNN and Fox News reporting that the Cruz team feel 'bummed out' this evening.
Whilst you don't have a VP, people assume you'll pick their dream candidate. Never spoil their bubble.0 -
Looking like a sore loser isn't going to help his 2020 bid. However he won't drop out because all the last set of primaries happen on the same day, and Trump will go into that day well short.HYUFD said:
He is not going to drop out, even if he loses this time he wants to be the nominee in 2020 if Trump is defeated in November and will want to milk the publicity for as long as he canTheWhiteRabbit said:
He may drop out. As much as he hates Trump, he loves himself more.HYUFD said:
He will stay in until Trump gets over the line, that can only happen with California, Cruz despises Trump, especially after he implied today his father was linked to the JFK assassinationwilliamglenn said:
He's surely going to quit the race before California and quite likely to do so tonight.Tim_B said:Both CNN and Fox News reporting that the Cruz team feel 'bummed out' this evening.
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Presumably because he does not like the term. Even in a hypothetical situation about something that did not happen - as he said, you CAN'T do this, but instead you need to talk to critical friends - it is still redolent of the rhetoric of victim-blaming from the days of slavery and Jim Crow in the American South. It is a bad phrase in and of itself. It is not needed.TheScreamingEagles said:
So why does he now regret using that term?EPG said:Hands up if you have watched the video and can name a person or an organisation he called "Uncle Tom".
Sadly PB comments has more than enough people who don't even bother to write (unlike say SeanT) but just use PB to retweet their stream of consciousness from the Guidosphere.
Still beats your man Zac who apparently regrets his campaign messages the very day they get published.0 -
PB is slowly transforming into the trash that is Guido and Breitbart - very very sad...0
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Who calls accumulating humiliating defeats as publicity ?HYUFD said:
He is not going to drop out, even if he loses this time he wants to be the nominee in 2020 if Trump is defeated in November and will want to milk the publicity for as long as he canTheWhiteRabbit said:
He may drop out. As much as he hates Trump, he loves himself more.HYUFD said:
He will stay in until Trump gets over the line, that can only happen with California, Cruz despises Trump, especially after he implied today his father was linked to the JFK assassinationwilliamglenn said:
He's surely going to quit the race before California and quite likely to do so tonight.Tim_B said:Both CNN and Fox News reporting that the Cruz team feel 'bummed out' this evening.
It's ridicule, already CNN is calling Ted Cruz as the Santorum of 2016.0 -
Trump merely quoted - mischievously - a National Enquirer report from April 20th.HYUFD said:
He will stay in until Trump gets over the line, that can only happen with California, Cruz despises Trump, especially after he implied today his father was linked to the JFK assassinationwilliamglenn said:
He's surely going to quit the race before California and quite likely to do so tonight.Tim_B said:Both CNN and Fox News reporting that the Cruz team feel 'bummed out' this evening.
If Trump wins Indiana, it might not be Cruz's decision whether to stay in or not. The big money will cut him off and he will have to scrabble for every dollar, letting the national campaign team go, and thinning out what remains.0 -
Trump leads in Fort Wayne, what should be Cruz's strongest area.
Trump might sweep all CD's.0 -
Maybe but if Trump loses in the general he can claim the moral highground and say the GOP need 'a real conservative' in 2020 and as you say Trump will still be short come the final day of primaries (even if almost certainly not by the time their results are in)TheWhiteRabbit said:
Looking like a sore loser isn't going to help his 2020 bid. However he won't drop out because all the last set of primaries happen on the same day, and Trump will go into that day well short.HYUFD said:
He is not going to drop out, even if he loses this time he wants to be the nominee in 2020 if Trump is defeated in November and will want to milk the publicity for as long as he canTheWhiteRabbit said:
He may drop out. As much as he hates Trump, he loves himself more.HYUFD said:
He will stay in until Trump gets over the line, that can only happen with California, Cruz despises Trump, especially after he implied today his father was linked to the JFK assassinationwilliamglenn said:
He's surely going to quit the race before California and quite likely to do so tonight.Tim_B said:Both CNN and Fox News reporting that the Cruz team feel 'bummed out' this evening.
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I found Trump's comments when asked about nominating Cruz to the Supreme Court very measured.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3569849/Time-quit-Ted-Trump-tells-Cruz-ready-leave-race-won-t-offer-constitutional-lawyer-spot-Supreme-Court-consolation-prize-tough-temperament.html
'I don't know. I'd have to think about it. That's a big decision,' he told DailyMail.com, saying that he's aware of Cruz's record as a constitutional lawyer.
'But there's a whole question of uniting, and there's a whole question as to temperament. And I'd have to think about it.'
Trump raised Cruz's 'temperament' four separate times while explaining why putting the lawmaker on his Supreme Court short-list wasn't an easy call.
'He's got a tough temperament for what we're talking about,' Trump said of Cruz. 'You have to be a very, very smart, rational person in my opinion, to be a justice of any kind at a high level or low.'
'You need a proper temperament. And that would be a question that I would have.'0 -
LMAO at this new supposed Sadiq Khan "scandal". The whole VIDEO is precisely ABOUT him talking about tackling extremism!
Laughable.0 -
HYUFD said:
Maybe but if Trump loses in the general he can claim the moral highground and say the GOP need 'a real conservative' in 2020 and as you say Trump will still be short come the final day of primaries (even if almost certainly not by the time their results are in)TheWhiteRabbit said:
Looking like a sore loser isn't going to help his 2020 bid. However he won't drop out because all the last set of primaries happen on the same day, and Trump will go into that day well short.HYUFD said:
He is not going to drop out, even if he loses this time he wants to be the nominee in 2020 if Trump is defeated in November and will want to milk the publicity for as long as he canTheWhiteRabbit said:
He may drop out. As much as he hates Trump, he loves himself more.HYUFD said:
He will stay in until Trump gets over the line, that can only happen with California, Cruz despises Trump, especially after he implied today his father was linked to the JFK assassinationwilliamglenn said:
He's surely going to quit the race before California and quite likely to do so tonight.Tim_B said:Both CNN and Fox News reporting that the Cruz team feel 'bummed out' this evening.
Santorum 2012.
A lot of support for Cruz was, like with Santorum just tactical.
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And you don't bring your crap on here trying to shut down debate,especially on immigration ?murali_s said:PB is slowly transforming into the trash that is Guido and Breitbart - very very sad...
On most polls it's one of the biggest concerns to the British public.
Go away if your not happy.0 -
Actually I rather like Sadiq. He comes across as a pretty normal guy, straightforward, and will be good for London as a multicultural hub.
Elections usually produce the best outcomes. That is democracy for you. I think most Tories on this site will think that Sadiq is a better choice for London than Zak Goldsmith.Roger said:
Even by your drama queen standards that's crap!SeanT said:Nice if you're a "moderate Muslim", to know that the likely Labour Mayor of London thinks you're an "Uncle Tom". A traitor to your race.
I wonder if the Mail have deliberately held this back. So it's too late to stop Khan, but sufficient to cripple him?
Whatever way you look at it, this is pretty calamitous for Sadiq0 -
Even if it is just him, his wife and his dog, I expect him to stay in until CaliforniaTim_B said:
Trump merely quoted - mischievously - a National Enquirer report from April 20th.HYUFD said:
He will stay in until Trump gets over the line, that can only happen with California, Cruz despises Trump, especially after he implied today his father was linked to the JFK assassinationwilliamglenn said:
He's surely going to quit the race before California and quite likely to do so tonight.Tim_B said:Both CNN and Fox News reporting that the Cruz team feel 'bummed out' this evening.
If Trump wins Indiana, it might not be Cruz's decision whether to stay in or not. The big money will cut him off and he will have to scrabble for every dollar, letting the national campaign team go, and thinning out what remains.0 -
With 5% of votes counted Trump has an almost 20 point lead.0
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Guardian — Corbyn's opponents in the Labour Party accept he is untouchable as leader and a coup is impossible. Who cares about election results?0
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Jeb! has 1% so far in Indiana.0
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- and his veep will walk the dog?HYUFD said:
Even if it is just him, his wife and his dog, I expect him to stay in until CaliforniaTim_B said:
Trump merely quoted - mischievously - a National Enquirer report from April 20th.HYUFD said:
He will stay in until Trump gets over the line, that can only happen with California, Cruz despises Trump, especially after he implied today his father was linked to the JFK assassinationwilliamglenn said:
He's surely going to quit the race before California and quite likely to do so tonight.Tim_B said:Both CNN and Fox News reporting that the Cruz team feel 'bummed out' this evening.
If Trump wins Indiana, it might not be Cruz's decision whether to stay in or not. The big money will cut him off and he will have to scrabble for every dollar, letting the national campaign team go, and thinning out what remains.0 -
I'm not closing down debate but it's just so predictable that many on here equate immigration to all the ills of the world or in this case particular case, London.Tykejohnno said:
And you don't bring your crap on here trying to shut down debate,especially on immigration ?murali_s said:PB is slowly transforming into the trash that is Guido and Breitbart - very very sad...
On most polls it's one of the biggest concerns to the British public.
Go away if your not happy.0 -
Sadiq's actually a really good candidate. I really like him which is much more than I can say for the vast majority of politicians, Labour included.
If Labour hadn't picked such appalling leaders such as Brown, Miliband, and Corbyn and instead kept to the winning formula laid down by Blair- normal, but nice (OK Blair did go bonkers) I doubt that the Tory party would now exist in this format.Danny565 said:LMAO at this new supposed Sadiq Khan "scandal". The whole VIDEO is precisely ABOUT him talking about tackling extremism!
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I'm pro-Remain, but the crudeness of some of the Remain propaganda, in the face of what (in my opinion) is a very uphill battle to prevent the British people giving the political class one hell of a big message on immigration next month, is hilarious.
The Guardian asks, "I'm self-employed – would Brexit stop me from freelancing in another EU country?", with a picture of a woman of about 30 in a sleeveless dress, one hand on her laptop keyboard and the other holding a mobile phone to her ear, with a big cup of what is probably cappuccino close to her laptop, sitting on a backless seat in what looks like a cafe. What a comfortable way to work. And I wonder how many times she's spilled coffee on her computer.
The strapline says, "Self-employed UK citizens have the right to work in any EU member state. Our experts explain how an out vote could impact that". A professor at "HTW Berlin" (something like a polytechnic?) replies, "As with so many questions concerning Brexit, the exact answer depends on what kind of deal the British government would negotiate with the rest of the EU after leaving the union." He continues, "If Britain would secure a deal similar to that of Switzerland, then potentially not much would change for self-employed who want to move to the EU." But "if Britain wants to limit migration into the UK after a vote for Brexit, self-employed Britons will have a much harder time moving to one of the remaining EU countries as well." And then there's a wall of text. Seriously, I mean most metropolitan cappuccino drinkers will be voting Remain anyway. I'm glad for their sake there won't be a "kick them out" option on the ballot paper.
In short, yeah, if you stop being an EU citizen, as British people will do if Britain leaves the EU, don't expect to have an EU citizen's rights in the EU. But they serve cappuccino in Bergen, so...0 -
Had Santorum won Iowa and not Cruz he would still have had a shot. Traditionally the GOP nominate the next in line, Reagan lost the nomination to Ford in 1976 but was nominee in 1980, Bush Snr lost in 1980 but was nominee in 1988, Dole lost in 1988 but was nominee in 1996, McCain lost in 2000 but was nominee in 2008, Romney lost in 2008 but was nominee in 2012 etc and I can't see the GOP base in their present mood picking a moderate until at least 1 more election cycle is over ie 2024 when Hillary is gone. If Trump is beaten they will pick someone even more conservative and Cruz is ideally placed!Speedy said:
Who calls accumulating humiliating defeats as publicity ?HYUFD said:
He is not going to drop out, even if he loses this time he wants to be the nominee in 2020 if Trump is defeated in November and will want to milk the publicity for as long as he canTheWhiteRabbit said:
He may drop out. As much as he hates Trump, he loves himself more.HYUFD said:
He will stay in until Trump gets over the line, that can only happen with California, Cruz despises Trump, especially after he implied today his father was linked to the JFK assassinationwilliamglenn said:
He's surely going to quit the race before California and quite likely to do so tonight.Tim_B said:Both CNN and Fox News reporting that the Cruz team feel 'bummed out' this evening.
It's ridicule, already CNN is calling Ted Cruz as the Santorum of 2016.0 -
No it isn't - in fact more people are challenging hateful views than before, against Jews and Muslims. Granted that's because there have been some socking comments - the stuff from daodao earlier today was horrifying - but it is challenged, even the stuff against the left or Muslims, even if there are still more rights wing people around who also dislike immigrAtion levels (and in my experience immigration opinions transcend bullshit definitions of left or right). So e of the most histrionic on here have just this evening posted comments of nuance, even if one can still disagree with it, and one thing I personally see little of in many places is nuance.murali_s said:PB is slowly transforming into the trash that is Guido and Breitbart - very very sad...
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I'm sorry but the Tories are becoming parodies of themselves over Khan.SeanT said:
Jesus. The contortions you lefties are getting into, to excuse the inexcusable. It's amusing but also painfully embarrassing. Like seeing a drunken aunt try lap dancing, in the mortifying belief she is still attractive.Danny565 said:LMAO at this new supposed Sadiq Khan "scandal". The whole VIDEO is precisely ABOUT him talking about tackling extremism!
Laughable.
Considering the Tories' whole strategy is about painting Khan as a friend of Islamists, it's not clear to me why a video of him saying it would be immoral for the British government to talk to Hamas and telling Muslims that they should stop making excuses for terrorism is some kind of "knockout blow".
I'm not even sure he meant what you think he means by "Uncle Tom", since it comes in the context of him defending the government talking to the Quilliam Foundation (which is one of the leading "moderate Muslim" groups, led by the rather impressive Maajid Nawaz). But don't let facts get in the way.0 -
Khan seems really boring, but even considering the labour friendly territory, he's held things together well and avoided pitfalls. Honestly they could do worse for a leader.tyson said:Sadiq's actually a really good candidate. I really like him which is much more than I can say for the vast majority of politicians, Labour included.
If Labour hadn't picked such appalling leaders such as Brown, Miliband, and Corbyn and instead kept to the winning formula laid down by Blair- normal, but nice (OK Blair did go bonkers) I doubt that the Tory party would now exist in this format.Danny565 said:LMAO at this new supposed Sadiq Khan "scandal". The whole VIDEO is precisely ABOUT him talking about tackling extremism!
Laughable.0 -
Soon I'll be able to go to bed! Not enough of a spread yet.Tim_B said:With 5% of votes counted Trump has an almost 20 point lead.
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As usual with you, WAY over the top.SeanT said:UNCLE TOMS
The future Labour Mayor of London thinks moderate Muslims are UNCLE TOMS.
Can't quite compute. It's beyond bad, on reflection. What thought process gets you to that place? What does he really think of white people, or race relations, or the role of Muslims in Britain?
Mind boggling.
You been away from London during the campaign? I wonder if you've noticed the overt dog and whistle campaign of the brainless non-entity that is Zac?0 -
The Tory Party only won because it became Blairite while Labour went back to its socialist pasttyson said:Sadiq's actually a really good candidate. I really like him which is much more than I can say for the vast majority of politicians, Labour included.
If Labour hadn't picked such appalling leaders such as Brown, Miliband, and Corbyn and instead kept to the winning formula laid down by Blair- normal, but nice (OK Blair did go bonkers) I doubt that the Tory party would now exist in this format.Danny565 said:LMAO at this new supposed Sadiq Khan "scandal". The whole VIDEO is precisely ABOUT him talking about tackling extremism!
Laughable.0 -
How unfair that other people care about another issue, to the point of over emphasising it. That is such a new thing and so totally unreasonable for people to have their own views as to what factors are most politically relevant.murali_s said:
I'm not closing down debate but it's just so predictable that many on here equate immigration to all the ills of the world or in this case particular case, London.Tykejohnno said:
And you don't bring your crap on here trying to shut down debate,especially on immigration ?murali_s said:PB is slowly transforming into the trash that is Guido and Breitbart - very very sad...
On most polls it's one of the biggest concerns to the British public.
Go away if your not happy.
For the record I've no real objections to immigration, but I don't think society at large agrees with me o that.
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Of course he didn't say that they were. And he is a "moderate Muslim".SeanT said:UNCLE TOMS
The future Labour Mayor of London thinks moderate Muslims are UNCLE TOMS.
Can't quite compute. It's beyond bad, on reflection. What thought process gets you to that place? What does he really think of white people, or race relations, or the role of Muslims in Britain?
Mind boggling.
You can't sincerely think he is calling himself a TRAITOR? Even you just call other people TRAITORS, not yourself.
What thought process gets you to the place where you are? High probability of the first defeat for the right in a major English election since 2005? Prospect of a Muslim having the largest personal mandate in Britain?0 -
Harry Cole
NEW: Jeremy Corbyn to 2002 hate rally: "no recognition and no support for Israel” https://t.co/PYRRhagDal https://t.co/mk9zNZUEEY0 -
6% counted Trump 54.3%, Cruz 32.3%0
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Have you actually WATCHED the whole video, rather than the out-of-context snippet from Guido Fawkes?SeanT said:UNCLE TOMS
The future Labour Mayor of London thinks moderate Muslims are UNCLE TOMS.
Can't quite compute. It's beyond bad, on reflection. What thought process gets you to that place? What does he really think of white people, or race relations, or the role of Muslims in Britain?
Mind boggling.
From 3:22:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1-5danu5rQ
Please tell me in what way he is saying "moderate Muslims" are Uncle Toms. If anything, he seems to be calling the more hardline groups Uncle Toms, since he says it after a question about why the government is only talking to moderate groups like the Quilliam Foundation, rather than groups "that don't agree with the government's stance".0 -
Oops - will Jeremy now suspend himself?Plato_Says said:Harry Cole
NEW: Jeremy Corbyn to 2002 hate rally: "no recognition and no support for Israel” https://t.co/PYRRhagDal https://t.co/mk9zNZUEEY
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I do find it odd that if you've faced those sorts of insults and accepted them with equanimity you don't find it odd that the the posters here think the Jews should be apoplectic about having Israel drawn on a map in Texas. Is it that you think they're more delicate?TheScreamingEagles said:As a moderate Muslim* I can't tell you how much I'm fuming at Sadiq Khan right now.
*I'm not religious at all but the EDL/Britain First would hate me on sight alone.0 -
Anyone who speaks to the government is an Uncle Tom. Hitler's original Jewish solution was okay up to 1932. Is this really happening?
And people are really defending it?0 -
Far right? What are you talking about?EPG said:
Of course he didn't say that they were. And he is a "moderate Muslim".SeanT said:UNCLE TOMS
The future Labour Mayor of London thinks moderate Muslims are UNCLE TOMS.
Can't quite compute. It's beyond bad, on reflection. What thought process gets you to that place? What does he really think of white people, or race relations, or the role of Muslims in Britain?
Mind boggling.
You can't sincerely think he is calling himself a TRAITOR? Even you just call other people TRAITORS, not yourself.
What thought process gets you to the place where you are? High probability of the first defeat for the right in a major English election since 2005? Prospect of a Muslim having the largest personal mandate in Britain?0 -
Isn't this fun!Tim_B said:6% counted Trump 54.3%, Cruz 32.3%
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LOL, and people continue to not actually WATCH THE VIDEO and just assume Khan meant what they want him to have meant.chestnut said:Anyone who speaks to the government is an Uncle Tom. Hitler's original Jewish solution was okay up to 1932. Is this really happening?
He was saying precisely the opposite of "anyone who speaks to the government is an Uncle Tom".0 -
The flocking of left wingers here to offer up various unconvincing defences of Khan shows they are panicking about the latest revelation. Who exactly was Sadiq Khan referring to as "Uncle Toms" if he wasn't calling anyone by that term? That's an even worse argument than trying to distract by pointing to what some blogger said about traitors.0
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I've been out campaigning since 9 am and spent an hour or so with Zac. And yes, I do have a photo of him holding a pint correctly. Soft drink, mind, as he is on a 24 hour tour of London and must be sober.
The polls on 1st preference are 9 points difference, about the average in London for most elections since 2000. But Labour admit turnout will be poorer because of Livingstone.
Also, many people say the polls have a forecast turnout of 50% . I don't know how true.
Labour have told me for a while they will lose Barnet and Camden as well as Ealing and Hillingdon. They reiterated tonight. They have said Brent and Harrow under pressure too a couple of weeks ago.
Lots of senior politicians reckon turnout will be 28 to 33%. Could it really be that low? Well, Boris/Ken got 38% so it is possible. Labour are fearful at 34 and under. Tories expect 34 or under!
But 2nd prefs may make Khan nailed on.
I still maintain Tories will win Merton. Data says so. Famous last words?0 -
It's tough but eventually we get a backbone!chestnut said:Anyone who speaks to the government is an Uncle Tom. Hitler's original Jewish solution was okay up to 1932. Is this really happening?
And people are really defending it?
I've never heard such patetic drivelling in my life! Does someone dress you in the morning?0 -
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In fifteen minutes we can call 57 delegates for Trump, and go to bed.Plato_Says said:
Isn't this fun!Tim_B said:6% counted Trump 54.3%, Cruz 32.3%
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Danny565 said:
Have you actually WATCHED the whole video, rather than the out-of-context snippet from Guido Fawkes?SeanT said:UNCLE TOMS
The future Labour Mayor of London thinks moderate Muslims are UNCLE TOMS.
Can't quite compute. It's beyond bad, on reflection. What thought process gets you to that place? What does he really think of white people, or race relations, or the role of Muslims in Britain?
Mind boggling.
From 3:22:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1-5danu5rQ
Please tell me in what way he is saying "moderate Muslims" are Uncle Toms. If anything, he seems to be calling the more hardline groups Uncle Toms, since he says it after a question about why the government is only talking to moderate groups like the Quilliam Foundation, rather than groups "that don't agree with the government's stance".
He is saying Quilliam are Uncle Toms but the government needs to speak to people beyond them too. It Is the classic politician answer of not directly answering the question, so you avoid saying something that upsets the viewer base.Danny565 said:
Have you actually WATCHED the whole video, rather than the out-of-context snippet from Guido Fawkes?SeanT said:UNCLE TOMS
The future Labour Mayor of London thinks moderate Muslims are UNCLE TOMS.
Can't quite compute. It's beyond bad, on reflection. What thought process gets you to that place? What does he really think of white people, or race relations, or the role of Muslims in Britain?
Mind boggling.
From 3:22:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1-5danu5rQ
Please tell me in what way he is saying "moderate Muslims" are Uncle Toms. If anything, he seems to be calling the more hardline groups Uncle Toms, since he says it after a question about why the government is only talking to moderate groups like the Quilliam Foundation, rather than groups "that don't agree with the government's stance".0 -
"One thing that is surprising in the polling is how few second preference vote Zac appears to be picking up. Given he made his name as an environmental campaigner you’d expect that quite a significant proportion of Green first choices would go his way. That doesn’t seem to be happening. "
Surprising? Most Greens won't care one iota about Zac's environmental credentials when there's blind, unthinking Toryphobia to be exercised!
Green second preferences will break about 83% Khan, 6% Cannabis, 5% Womens Equality and 2% Lib Dem, I would imagine.0 -
Why would he be insulting someone, in the context of defending working with them? It makes no sense.Layne said:
He is saying Quilliam are Uncle Toms but the government needs to speak to people beyond them too. It Is the classic politician answer of not directly answering the question, so you avoid saying something that upsets the viewer base.0 -
And Trump is projected to win Indiana.
The republican primary race is OVER.0 -
Fox calls INdiana for Trump0
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I'm a very placid guy, it takes a lot to upset me.Roger said:
I do find it odd that if you've faced those sorts of insults and accepted them with equaminity you don't find it odd that the the posters here think the Jews should be apoplectic about having Israel drawn on a map in Texas. Is it that you think they're more delicate?TheScreamingEagles said:As a moderate Muslim* I can't tell you how much I'm fuming at Sadiq Khan right now.
*I'm not religious at all but the EDL/Britain First would hate me on sight alone.
Usually the people that insult me, I can ignore and laugh at them, because I'm smug and superior. Ditto any comments on a website. For example SeanT had called me a traitor for backing Remain, I laugh at that because if it looks close/leave might win, Sean will back Remain became he's worried about his house price.
But Sadiq Khan, who can be argued is about to become the most important/visible Muslim in the country uses that phrase, I'm expecting a higher standard, a better example.
It's the equivalent of any Jew who criticises Israel is labelled a self hating Jew.
It is wrong and deeply offensive.0 -
PA calls 5 of 9 CDs for him, 0% reporting in three and the last - CD2 - Trump leads by 10% 'only'Tim_B said:Fox calls INdiana for Trump
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Is it also wrong and deeply offensive to run Sir Lynton Crosby of Google Alert's campaign for Goldsmith, playing on latent anti-Muslim feeling?TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm a very placid guy, it takes a lot to upset me.Roger said:
I do find it odd that if you've faced those sorts of insults and accepted them with equaminity you don't find it odd that the the posters here think the Jews should be apoplectic about having Israel drawn on a map in Texas. Is it that you think they're more delicate?TheScreamingEagles said:As a moderate Muslim* I can't tell you how much I'm fuming at Sadiq Khan right now.
*I'm not religious at all but the EDL/Britain First would hate me on sight alone.
Usually the people that insult me, I can ignore and laugh at them, because I'm smug and superior. Ditto any comments on a website. For example SeanT had called me a traitor for backing Remain, I laugh at that because if it looks close/leave might win, Sean will back Remain became he's worried about his house price.
But Sadiq Khan, who can be argued is about to become the most important/visible Muslim in the country uses that phrase, I'm expecting a higher standard, a better example.
It's the equivalent of any Jew who criticises Israel is labelled a self hating Jew.
It is wrong and deeply offensive.0 -
Christ, I honestly thought even diehard right-wingers knew better than to just take something the Daily Mail said at face value.0
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AndyJS said:EPG said:SeanT said:
UNCLE TOMS
The future Labour Mayor of London thinks moderate Muslims are UNCLE TOMS.
Can't quite compute. It's beyond bad, on reflection. What thought process gets you to that place? What does he really think of white
Do you need a lie down?AndyJS said:
Absolutely disgraceful.Plato_Says said:0 -
Roger - you've been pissing your knickers for days. Along with the other apologists on here.Roger said:
It's tough but eventually we get a backbone!chestnut said:Anyone who speaks to the government is an Uncle Tom. Hitler's original Jewish solution was okay up to 1932. Is this really happening?
And people are really defending it?
I've never heard such patetic drivelling in my life! Does someone dress you in the morning?0 -
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CNN Indiana exit poll
GOP
Trump 53 (projected winner)
Cruz 38
Kasich 8.5
http://edition.cnn.com/election/primaries/polls/in/Rep
Dems
Clinton 44
Sanders 56
http://edition.cnn.com/election/primaries/polls/in/Dem
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Corbyn is utter utter poison
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/7125220/Jeremy-Corbyn-demanded-Israel-be-cut-off-by-the-rest-of-the-world-and-was-reportedly-praised-by-Hamas.html
As for Khan
He clearly made the remark, he has clearly stated on another occasion to a different audience that those words are offensive and racist.
Another example of him saying different things to different audiences.
Utterly, utterly depressing to see certain left leaning people on here excusing the man.
Tribal politics has hit a new low last couple of weeks.0 -
I think Trump might win all CD's.TheWhiteRabbit said:
PA calls 5 of 9 CDs for him, 0% reporting in three and the last - CD2 - Trump leads by 10% 'only'Tim_B said:Fox calls INdiana for Trump
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Trouble with Zac is that he's too laid back in his demeanor and and shows little enthusiasm for the Job of Mayor.SirBenjamin said:"One thing that is surprising in the polling is how few second preference vote Zac appears to be picking up. Given he made his name as an environmental campaigner you’d expect that quite a significant proportion of Green first choices would go his way. That doesn’t seem to be happening. "
Surprising? Most Greens won't care one iota about Zac's environmental credentials when there's blind, unthinking Toryphobia to be exercised!
Green second preferences will break about 83% Khan, 6% Cannabis, 5% Womens Equality and 2% Lib Dem, I would imagine.0 -
The British political class and its media are chock-full of Uncle Toms where a certain lobby and the foreign fascist regime it fights for are concerned.
Hasbara handbook.
Sadiq Khan was just saying you've got to talk to your opponents and not just fake opponents that you own. The Quilliam Foundation recruited Tommy Robinson, right? Smiles all round at Thames House.0 -
RealClearPolitics has Trump up to 1,041 delegates.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/republican_delegate_count.html0 -
Watch the video.Layne said:The flocking of left wingers here to offer up various unconvincing defences of Khan shows they are panicking about the latest revelation. Who exactly was Sadiq Khan referring to as "Uncle Toms" if he wasn't calling anyone by that term? That's an even worse argument than trying to distract by pointing to what some blogger said about traitors.
The answer is that he was talking about nobody, about a policy he said you couldn't follow, and that he didn't follow. Instead, he said you need to speak to critical friends like Quilliam. It is a lesson in two things: First, try not to use the language of slavery and Jim Crow in South-Eastern England. Second, politicians should never talk about hypotheticals.0 -
99% certain he will. The state doesn't vary enough for him not to.Speedy said:
I think Trump might win all CD's.TheWhiteRabbit said:
PA calls 5 of 9 CDs for him, 0% reporting in three and the last - CD2 - Trump leads by 10% 'only'Tim_B said:Fox calls INdiana for Trump
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If Trump loses a county it will be around Fort Wayne.AndyJS said:0 -
More evidence that Trump may get to the winning post before Hillary.HYUFD said:CNN Indiana exit poll
GOP
Trump 53 (projected winner)
Cruz 38
Kasich 8.5
http://edition.cnn.com/election/primaries/polls/in/Rep
Dems
Clinton 44
Sanders 56
http://edition.cnn.com/election/primaries/polls/in/Dem0 -
There seems to be a new YouGov of Labour members, showing that Corbyn would get 62% if there was a new leadership election. Confirms my own impression:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/03/jeremy-corbyns-critics-abandon-hopes-of-leadership-challenge0 -
McDonnell is the only logical alternative before 2020NickPalmer said:There seems to be a new YouGov of Labour members, showing that Corbyn would get 62% if there was a new leadership election. Confirms my own impression:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/03/jeremy-corbyns-critics-abandon-hopes-of-leadership-challenge0 -
RCP have called Indiana for Trump with only 7% of the vote counted.0
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Why bother with that when you can just read the Daily Mail headline?EPG said:
Watch the video.Layne said:The flocking of left wingers here to offer up various unconvincing defences of Khan shows they are panicking about the latest revelation. Who exactly was Sadiq Khan referring to as "Uncle Toms" if he wasn't calling anyone by that term? That's an even worse argument than trying to distract by pointing to what some blogger said about traitors.
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Yes, could be though Hillary leading Sanders 52% 48% with 11% inAndyJS said:
More evidence that Trump may get to the winning post before Hillary.HYUFD said:CNN Indiana exit poll
GOP
Trump 53 (projected winner)
Cruz 38
Kasich 8.5
http://edition.cnn.com/election/primaries/polls/in/Rep
Dems
Clinton 44
Sanders 56
http://edition.cnn.com/election/primaries/polls/in/Dem
http://edition.cnn.com/election/primaries/states/in/0 -
Depends how much higher turnout is in Wimbledon as against Mitcham&Morden I guess.Dixie said:I've been out campaigning since 9 am and spent an hour or so with Zac. And yes, I do have a photo of him holding a pint correctly. Soft drink, mind, as he is on a 24 hour tour of London and must be sober.
The polls on 1st preference are 9 points difference, about the average in London for most elections since 2000. But Labour admit turnout will be poorer because of Livingstone.
Also, many people say the polls have a forecast turnout of 50% . I don't know how true.
Labour have told me for a while they will lose Barnet and Camden as well as Ealing and Hillingdon. They reiterated tonight. They have said Brent and Harrow under pressure too a couple of weeks ago.
Lots of senior politicians reckon turnout will be 28 to 33%. Could it really be that low? Well, Boris/Ken got 38% so it is possible. Labour are fearful at 34 and under. Tories expect 34 or under!
But 2nd prefs may make Khan nailed on.
I still maintain Tories will win Merton. Data says so. Famous last words?0 -
Yup, I've said it on thread and on other threads, this has been a very bad, ignoble, and divisive campaign by Zac and Sir Lynton.EPG said:
Is it also wrong and deeply offensive to run Sir Lynton Crosby of Google Alert's campaign for Goldsmith, playing on latent anti-Muslim feeling?TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm a very placid guy, it takes a lot to upset me.Roger said:
I do find it odd that if you've faced those sorts of insults and accepted them with equaminity you don't find it odd that the the posters here think the Jews should be apoplectic about having Israel drawn on a map in Texas. Is it that you think they're more delicate?TheScreamingEagles said:As a moderate Muslim* I can't tell you how much I'm fuming at Sadiq Khan right now.
*I'm not religious at all but the EDL/Britain First would hate me on sight alone.
Usually the people that insult me, I can ignore and laugh at them, because I'm smug and superior. Ditto any comments on a website. For example SeanT had called me a traitor for backing Remain, I laugh at that because if it looks close/leave might win, Sean will back Remain became he's worried about his house price.
But Sadiq Khan, who can be argued is about to become the most important/visible Muslim in the country uses that phrase, I'm expecting a higher standard, a better example.
It's the equivalent of any Jew who criticises Israel is labelled a self hating Jew.
It is wrong and deeply offensive.0 -
He prefaced his remarks by saying that he'd love to talk only to people who agreed with him, but you 'can't just talk to Uncle Tom'.EPG said:
Watch the video.Layne said:The flocking of left wingers here to offer up various unconvincing defences of Khan shows they are panicking about the latest revelation. Who exactly was Sadiq Khan referring to as "Uncle Toms" if he wasn't calling anyone by that term? That's an even worse argument than trying to distract by pointing to what some blogger said about traitors.
The answer is that he was talking about nobody, about a policy he said you couldn't follow, and that he didn't follow. Instead, he said you need to speak to critical friends like Quilliam. It is a lesson in two things: First, try not to use the language of slavery and Jim Crow in South-Eastern England. Second, politicians should never talk about hypotheticals.
Really the only defence is that he didn't understand the term and was grasping for a phrase to describe someone warm and cuddly and somehow his brain hit on that.0 -
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Have you actually WATCHED the whole video, rather than the out-of-context snippet from Guido Fawkes?SeanT said:UNCLE TOMS
The future Labour Mayor of London thinks moderate Muslims are UNCLE TOMS.
Can't quite compute. It's beyond bad, on reflection. What thought process gets you to that place? What does he really think of white people, or race relations, or the role of Muslims in Britain?
Mind boggling.
From 3:22:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1-5danu5rQ
Please tell me in what way he is saying "moderate Muslims" are Uncle Toms. If anything, he seems to be calling the more hardline groups Uncle Toms, since he says it after a question about why the government is only talking to moderate groups like the Quilliam Foundation, rather than groups "that don't agree with the government's stance".
You can't be that dim - How the feck do you apply the term "uncle Tom" to hardline groups - do you have no understanding of the term?0 -
https://twitter.com/election_data/status/727604642646007808NickPalmer said:There seems to be a new YouGov of Labour members, showing that Corbyn would get 62% if there was a new leadership election. Confirms my own impression:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/03/jeremy-corbyns-critics-abandon-hopes-of-leadership-challenge0 -
I agree. Were I a Londoner, I would like to vote for Sadiq but couldn't vote for Labour. I would like to vote for the Conservatives who seem to be doing well in governing the country in a centrist or at least ineffectually right-wing manner, but couldn't vote for Goldsmith after this! What to do?TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, I've said it on thread and on other threads, this has been a very bad, ignoble, and divisive campaign by Zac and Sir Lynton.EPG said:
Is it also wrong and deeply offensive to run Sir Lynton Crosby of Google Alert's campaign for Goldsmith, playing on latent anti-Muslim feeling?TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm a very placid guy, it takes a lot to upset me.Roger said:
I do find it odd that if you've faced those sorts of insults and accepted them with equaminity you don't find it odd that the the posters here think the Jews should be apoplectic about having Israel drawn on a map in Texas. Is it that you think they're more delicate?TheScreamingEagles said:As a moderate Muslim* I can't tell you how much I'm fuming at Sadiq Khan right now.
*I'm not religious at all but the EDL/Britain First would hate me on sight alone.
Usually the people that insult me, I can ignore and laugh at them, because I'm smug and superior. Ditto any comments on a website. For example SeanT had called me a traitor for backing Remain, I laugh at that because if it looks close/leave might win, Sean will back Remain became he's worried about his house price.
But Sadiq Khan, who can be argued is about to become the most important/visible Muslim in the country uses that phrase, I'm expecting a higher standard, a better example.
It's the equivalent of any Jew who criticises Israel is labelled a self hating Jew.
It is wrong and deeply offensive.0 -
I'm calling it a night.
Cruz should drop out to preserve whatever dignity he has left.
Goodnight.0 -
Jeremy Corbyn, leader of her majesty's loyal opposition
Dear fucking god........0 -
Sahil Kapur
Indiana exit polls: Trump wins moderate & somewhat conservative; Cruz wins very conservative voters. https://t.co/SV6uWNieHq0 -
Well stop posting then...murali_s said:PB is slowly transforming into the trash that is Guido and Breitbart - very very sad...
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So, in summary, both the Republican nomination and the London Mayoralty are all over bar the mud-slinging.0
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To be honest, I can't recall ever previously hearing the term used in relation to Muslims (rather than black Americans) at all.Floater said:Danny565 said:
Have you actually WATCHED the whole video, rather than the out-of-context snippet from Guido Fawkes?SeanT said:UNCLE TOMS
The future Labour Mayor of London thinks moderate Muslims are UNCLE TOMS.
Can't quite compute. It's beyond bad, on reflection. What thought process gets you to that place? What does he really think of white people, or race relations, or the role of Muslims in Britain?
Mind boggling.
From 3:22:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1-5danu5rQ
Please tell me in what way he is saying "moderate Muslims" are Uncle Toms. If anything, he seems to be calling the more hardline groups Uncle Toms, since he says it after a question about why the government is only talking to moderate groups like the Quilliam Foundation, rather than groups "that don't agree with the government's stance".
You can't be that dim - How the feck do you apply the term "uncle Tom" to hardline groups - do you have no understanding of the term?
But in any case, please explain how it makes sense that he would be calling Muslims traitors if they talked to the government, in the same sentence that he was saying how necessary it was for Muslims to talk to government. At the very time when Khan himself was in charge of the government programme that talked to moderate Muslim groups (2009).0 -
So it's goodnight from me.0
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Fair summary - Reasonable Party/Poor Candidate vs Reasonable Candidate/Poor (or worse) Party.EPG said:
I agree. Were I a Londoner, I would like to vote for Sadiq but couldn't vote for Labour. I would like to vote for the Conservatives who seem to be doing well in governing the country in a centrist or at least ineffectually right-wing manner, but couldn't vote for Goldsmith after this! What to do?TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, I've said it on thread and on other threads, this has been a very bad, ignoble, and divisive campaign by Zac and Sir Lynton.EPG said:
Is it also wrong and deeply offensive to run Sir Lynton Crosby of Google Alert's campaign for Goldsmith, playing on latent anti-Muslim feeling?TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm a very placid guy, it takes a lot to upset me.Roger said:
I do find it odd that if you've faced those sorts of insults and accepted them with equaminity you don't find it odd that the the posters here think the Jews should be apoplectic about having Israel drawn on a map in Texas. Is it that you think they're more delicate?TheScreamingEagles said:As a moderate Muslim* I can't tell you how much I'm fuming at Sadiq Khan right now.
*I'm not religious at all but the EDL/Britain First would hate me on sight alone.
Usually the people that insult me, I can ignore and laugh at them, because I'm smug and superior. Ditto any comments on a website. For example SeanT had called me a traitor for backing Remain, I laugh at that because if it looks close/leave might win, Sean will back Remain became he's worried about his house price.
But Sadiq Khan, who can be argued is about to become the most important/visible Muslim in the country uses that phrase, I'm expecting a higher standard, a better example.
It's the equivalent of any Jew who criticises Israel is labelled a self hating Jew.
It is wrong and deeply offensive.
Meanwhile, in Scotland SLAB's 'We're not the Tories' looks like its going to hit the buffers at high speed and with considerable violence, having been trumped by the SNP's 'We're not the English Tories'. Ha bloody ha.....serves them right.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/scottish-parliament-elections-tories-and-labour-in-tight-race-for-second-place-behind-snp-poll-finds-a7012276.html0 -
Regarding Sadiq vs Zac, I don't really get the indignation on either side. Sadiq has some mildly awkward connections, Zac has pointed these out, albeit with no discernible electoral impact. Neither strikes me as reprehensible. They are both decent guys. I'm much more concerned about Sadiq's populist and counter-productive transport and housing policies than any alleged links to extremists. On the other side, I really can't see Zac as some kind of racist rabble-rouser, but I am unhappy about his Heathrow position.0
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Ah, missed that. I doubt if it's changed much, though - I don't know anyone who's changed their view of him either way.TheScreamingEagles said:
https://twitter.com/election_data/status/727604642646007808NickPalmer said:There seems to be a new YouGov of Labour members, showing that Corbyn would get 62% if there was a new leadership election. Confirms my own impression:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/03/jeremy-corbyns-critics-abandon-hopes-of-leadership-challenge0 -
So far:
Clinton 50.5
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With 17% counted, Sanders has narrowed Clinton's lead to 0.8%0
