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Second - like SCon after this morning's Sunday Herald front page..

RobD said:

CarlottaVance said:

Second - like SCon after this morning's Sunday Herald front page..

Smelling salts on standby

I have no idea if it's true - but one of the comments on the Herald story suggests Scotland has 40% of UK PFI debt - of course subsequent comments suggest that's not really Scotland's debt, but Westminster's

CarlottaVance said:

RobD said:

CarlottaVance said:

Second - like SCon after this morning's Sunday Herald front page..

Smelling salts on standby

I have no idea if it's true - but one of the comments on the Herald story suggests Scotland has 40% of UK PFI debt - of course subsequent comments suggest that's not really Scotland's debt, but Westminster's

If only the Scots did have 40% of the UK's PFI - that would mean a total of £75 billion - it's three times that:

http://www.independent.co.uk/money/loans-credit/crippling-pfi-deals-leave-britain-222bn-in-debt-10170214.html

So while Scotland's share is 50% higher than it's population it's not five times greater

tlg86 said:

The breakdown by age show that the over 65s are -16 for the Tories and -13 for Labour. Basically the oldies are an ungrateful bunch of *****.

Or alternatively they identify with Labour because all of its senior figures are over 60 years old.

Innocent_Abroad said:

tlg86 said:

The breakdown by age show that the over 65s are -16 for the Tories and -13 for Labour. Basically the oldies are an ungrateful bunch of *****.

We've had time to work out that the secret ballot means we don't have to be realistic.

And that voting beats tweeting, posting on Facebook or demonstrating

CarlottaVance said:

As my grandmother used to observe, "there's no fool like an old fool"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3543701/MP-s-porn-star-lover-shown-Cabinet-papers-John-Whittingdale-new-sex-scandal-SECOND-lover-reveals-affair.html

I look forward to Hacked Off deprecating this intrusion into his private life...

I look forward to Roger telling us all that JW was right about his constituents

CarlottaVance said:

As my grandmother used to observe, "there's no fool like an old fool"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3543701/MP-s-porn-star-lover-shown-Cabinet-papers-John-Whittingdale-new-sex-scandal-SECOND-lover-reveals-affair.html

I look forward to Hacked Off deprecating this intrusion into his private life...

I think that Whittingdale will be moved to somewhere much more low profile .... probably the Whips Office ....

JackW said:

CarlottaVance said:

As my grandmother used to observe, "there's no fool like an old fool"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3543701/MP-s-porn-star-lover-shown-Cabinet-papers-John-Whittingdale-new-sex-scandal-SECOND-lover-reveals-affair.html

I look forward to Hacked Off deprecating this intrusion into his private life...

I think that Whittingdale will be moved to somewhere much more low profile .... probably the Whips Office ....

This won't help him come the next General Election:
"He called his local Essex constituents ‘oiks’; "

logical_song said:

JackW said:

CarlottaVance said:

As my grandmother used to observe, "there's no fool like an old fool"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3543701/MP-s-porn-star-lover-shown-Cabinet-papers-John-Whittingdale-new-sex-scandal-SECOND-lover-reveals-affair.html

I look forward to Hacked Off deprecating this intrusion into his private life...

I think that Whittingdale will be moved to somewhere much more low profile .... probably the Whips Office ....

This won't help him come the next General Election:
"He called his local Essex constituents ‘oiks’; "

No problems.

Whittingdale will offer them lashings of pork barrel goodies, whip them into a frenzy and promise to make local Es-sex girls born again virgins. They'll be gagging for him I'll be bound.

Landslide Con HOLD ... but very tightly ....

JackW said:

CarlottaVance said:

As my grandmother used to observe, "there's no fool like an old fool"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3543701/MP-s-porn-star-lover-shown-Cabinet-papers-John-Whittingdale-new-sex-scandal-SECOND-lover-reveals-affair.html

I look forward to Hacked Off deprecating this intrusion into his private life...

I think that Whittingdale will be moved to somewhere much more low profile .... probably the Whips Office ....

Hell hath no fury.... She's a very classy lady (not) the dominatrix on the other hand?

and how much is the booby twin being paid ?

foxinsoxuk said:

CarlottaVance said:

As my grandmother used to observe, "there's no fool like an old fool"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3543701/MP-s-porn-star-lover-shown-Cabinet-papers-John-Whittingdale-new-sex-scandal-SECOND-lover-reveals-affair.html

I look forward to Hacked Off deprecating this intrusion into his private life...

Though this Daily Mail article about him is much more interesting:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3543695/Minister-mysterious-beauty-Belorussia-love-Whittingdale-enjoyed-intimate-relationship-daughter-USSR-military-officer.html

What is it with Leavers and their shadowy East European friends?

Security breaches with a page 3 model is one thing, a Belorussian honeytrap quite another.

Shades of the Profumo affair...

SouthamObserver said:

We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.

How many of those nations you visited were members of the EU? Presumably they could cope outside so why couldn't we?

RobD said:

JackW said:

foxinsoxuk said:

CarlottaVance said:

As my grandmother used to observe, "there's no fool like an old fool"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3543701/MP-s-porn-star-lover-shown-Cabinet-papers-John-Whittingdale-new-sex-scandal-SECOND-lover-reveals-affair.html

I look forward to Hacked Off deprecating this intrusion into his private life...

Though this Daily Mail article about him is much more interesting:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3543695/Minister-mysterious-beauty-Belorussia-love-Whittingdale-enjoyed-intimate-relationship-daughter-USSR-military-officer.html

What is it with Leavers and their shadowy East European friends?

Security breaches with a page 3 model is one thing, a Belorussian honeytrap quite another.

We need input from OGH about east European honey traps after his experiences at the London embassy of the Soviet Union .... Oopps ....Russian Federation.

politicalbetting.su?

PB mods and thread writers = politburo.su ..

RobD said:

JackW said:

foxinsoxuk said:

CarlottaVance said:

As my grandmother used to observe, "there's no fool like an old fool"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3543701/MP-s-porn-star-lover-shown-Cabinet-papers-John-Whittingdale-new-sex-scandal-SECOND-lover-reveals-affair.html

I look forward to Hacked Off deprecating this intrusion into his private life...

Though this Daily Mail article about him is much more interesting:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3543695/Minister-mysterious-beauty-Belorussia-love-Whittingdale-enjoyed-intimate-relationship-daughter-USSR-military-officer.html

What is it with Leavers and their shadowy East European friends?

Security breaches with a page 3 model is one thing, a Belorussian honeytrap quite another.

We need input from OGH about east European honey traps after his experiences at the London embassy of the Soviet Union .... Oopps ....Russian Federation.

politicalbetting.su?

Lets open a book on that.

Putin to win re-election 1.001

Er...thats about it....

Philip_Thompson said:

SouthamObserver said:

We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.

How many of those nations you visited were members of the EU? Presumably they could cope outside so why couldn't we?

Asia isn't Europe.

Innocent_Abroad said:

Philip_Thompson said:

SouthamObserver said:

We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.

How many of those nations you visited were members of the EU? Presumably they could cope outside so why couldn't we?

Asia isn't Europe.

And geography barely matters in the 21st century. If they don't need to be in a union why do we?

foxinsoxuk said:

JackW said:

foxinsoxuk said:

CarlottaVance said:

As my grandmother used to observe, "there's no fool like an old fool"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3543701/MP-s-porn-star-lover-shown-Cabinet-papers-John-Whittingdale-new-sex-scandal-SECOND-lover-reveals-affair.html

I look forward to Hacked Off deprecating this intrusion into his private life...

Though this Daily Mail article about him is much more interesting:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3543695/Minister-mysterious-beauty-Belorussia-love-Whittingdale-enjoyed-intimate-relationship-daughter-USSR-military-officer.html

What is it with Leavers and their shadowy East European friends?

Security breaches with a page 3 model is one thing, a Belorussian honeytrap quite another.

We need input from OGH about east European honey traps after his experiences at the London embassy of the Soviet Union .... Oopps ....Russian Federation.

It is quite obvious why Whittingdale arranged a twinning arrangement between his constituency and the delightful Belarussian city of Breast.

Breast .... Oh .... Bitty ....

SUPPORTERS of independence should not give their second vote to the SNP at the Holyrood elections, according to a new report by one of the country's top political scientists.


http://m.heraldscotland.com/news/14432696.New_study_claims__independence_supporters_should_not_cast_second_vote_for_SNP_at_Holyrood_election

blackburn63 said:

Virtually everybody went off with bundles of leaflets to deliver, mainly 60 years + ..

Taking 60 years to deliver those bundles of LEAVE leaflets might seem to some as a potential takeover bid for Royal Mail ..

RobD said:

Innocent_Abroad said:

Philip_Thompson said:

SouthamObserver said:

We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.

How many of those nations you visited were members of the EU? Presumably they could cope outside so why couldn't we?

Asia isn't Europe.

Given SO was there, as a representative of a company from a nation within the EU (I'm assuming), it is reasonable to assume (again) companies from other such countries were invited.

One of my sons spends his life successfully selling UK communication equipment to private companies, and governments in the Asia/Pacific region. He certainly doesn’t feel that EU membership is in any way restrictive, and hopes his mother & I vote to Remain. Which isn’t a problem!
(He lives in SE Asia & has been out of UK too long, I think, to have a vote)

David Coburn "no platformed" by VOTE LEAVE in Scotland

http://m.heraldscotland.com/politics/14432720.Scottish__Vote_Leave__launch_descends_into_farce_as_Ukip_roll_up

Jonathan said:

How are the Leave campaign dealing with Scottish Independence? If we get out, the Scots will have a second vote. How is the campaign handling it?

That's a myth. A second referendum won't be held until Sturgeon thinks she can win it:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/25/brexit-vote-scotland-out-uk-scottish-independence

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14432723.Second_referendum_only_if_MOST_Scots_want_it__Sturgeon_confirms/

Philip_Thompson said:

SouthamObserver said:

We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.

How many of those nations you visited were members of the EU? Presumably they could cope outside so why couldn't we?

Quite.

Without knowing it SO and Old King Cole make an interesting point: 55% of our trade (and its growing) is now outside the EU, which is a huge economic and political union right on our doorstep.

Think how much more our trade could grow globally if we had the tools and policies to make the most of it?

Jonathan said:

Casino_Royale said:

Jonathan said:

How are the Leave campaign dealing with Scottish Independence? If we get out, the Scots will have a second vote. How is the campaign handling it?

That's a myth. A second referendum won't be held until Sturgeon thinks she can win it:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/25/brexit-vote-scotland-out-uk-scottish-independence

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14432723.Second_referendum_only_if_MOST_Scots_want_it__Sturgeon_confirms/

That might not be far off after a leave vote, perhaps under a Boris premiership.

Show me the Scottish Unionists who will turn, overnight, into Nationalists just because the UK is no longer an EU member? To break a 300 year old Union in these islands for the sake of rekindling a 40 year old economic and political union with an increasingly federalist continent?

They will be more interested in making our future trading relationship work.

It's a myth.

blackburn63 said:

Innocent_Abroad said:

blackburn63 said:

SouthamObserver said:

We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.

I'm puzzled, you're clearly a clever bloke involved in a great company, returning from another successful business trip abroad you immediately appear to think:

Thank God for the EU.

Your obvious success has zero to do with EU politicians and bureaucrats, they are a hindrance not a help, you simply don't need them.

You sound like the school sports-master who said to a boy "just think how many runs Bradman would have made if he'd held his bat properly"...

What a stupid thing to say, but then you spend half your life trolling and googling me. Go and find something worthwhile to do with your pointless existence.

Are you and Philip Thomson the same person?

Whether or not, all we ever get from you is racist anger. There is no reason to be anti-EU other than racism.

Innocent_Abroad said:

blackburn63 said:

Innocent_Abroad said:

blackburn63 said:

SouthamObserver said:

We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.

I'm puzzled, you're clearly a clever bloke involved in a great company, returning from another successful business trip abroad you immediately appear to think:

Thank God for the EU.

Your obvious success has zero to do with EU politicians and bureaucrats, they are a hindrance not a help, you simply don't need them.

You sound like the school sports-master who said to a boy "just think how many runs Bradman would have made if he'd held his bat properly"...

What a stupid thing to say, but then you spend half your life trolling and googling me. Go and find something worthwhile to do with your pointless existence.

Are you and Philip Thomson the same person?

Whether or not, all we ever get from you is racist anger. There is no reason to be anti-EU other than racism.

The scary thing is you clearly believe the bilge you write.

How do you get to over 65 reaching firm conclusions that are so wrong?

Plato_Says said:

http://thetab.com/2016/04/13/uk-prime-minister-86166

I got Winston Churchill. Which are you?

snap

Good morning, everyone.

F1: bit sleepy. Will set about trying to write the post-race piece, though I'll do my best to avoid spoilers here.

Worth noting that you should have the mute button ready if watching the highlights on Channel 4, as Steve Jones is an imbecile.

Jonathan said:

Casino_Royale said:

Jonathan said:

Casino_Royale said:

Jonathan said:

How are the Leave campaign dealing with Scottish Independence? If we get out, the Scots will have a second vote. How is the campaign handling it?

That's a myth. A second referendum won't be held until Sturgeon thinks she can win it:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/25/brexit-vote-scotland-out-uk-scottish-independence

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14432723.Second_referendum_only_if_MOST_Scots_want_it__Sturgeon_confirms/

That might not be far off after a leave vote, perhaps under a Boris premiership.

Show me the Scottish Unionists who will turn, overnight, into Nationalists just because the UK is no longer an EU member? To break a 300 year old Union in these islands for the sake of rekindling a 40 year old economic and political union with an increasingly federalist continent?

They will be more interested in making our future trading relationship work.

It's a myth.

I am not sure it can be so easily discounted. We could very well end up outside the EU as rUK That should be taken into account. Some might like that outcome, but it is a very different future.

I don't like that outcome, personally, but the fractures that might lead to Scottish independence are domestic, not foreign.

RobD said:

SouthamObserver said:

We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.

SO leaning Leave?

Stay all day

Philip_Thompson said:

SouthamObserver said:

We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.

How many of those nations you visited were members of the EU? Presumably they could cope outside so why couldn't we?

Of course we could cope. But we should be aiming for higher than that, shouldn't we?

Casino_Royale said:

Philip_Thompson said:

SouthamObserver said:

We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.

How many of those nations you visited were members of the EU? Presumably they could cope outside so why couldn't we?

Quite.

Without knowing it SO and Old King Cole make an interesting point: 55% of our trade (and its growing) is now outside the EU, which is a huge economic and political union right on our doorstep.

Think how much more our trade could grow globally if we had the tools and policies to make the most of it?

The business my son works with is global and has many customers within the EU. Some of the kit they use is sourced from within other EU states. Because of where he lives and what he does he mixes with people from all over the world, and feels that the opportunities for his children will be much greater in Europe .... if they don’t stay in Asia ..... than in, say Australia or even the US.

kle4 said:

Plato_Says said:

http://thetab.com/2016/04/13/uk-prime-minister-86166

I got Winston Churchill. Which are you?

Pitt the younger.

So did I. But at almost 80 I haven’t died young!

SouthamObserver said:

Philip_Thompson said:

SouthamObserver said:

We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.

How many of those nations you visited were members of the EU? Presumably they could cope outside so why couldn't we?

Of course we could cope. But we should be aiming for higher than that, shouldn't we?

Precisely. Which is just why we should Leave.

We should be aiming to be a hugely successful global trading nation, with the world as our oyster.

Not just accept the straitjacket of remaining a medium-sized European one.

OldKingCole said:

RobD said:

Innocent_Abroad said:

Philip_Thompson said:

SouthamObserver said:

We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.

How many of those nations you visited were members of the EU? Presumably they could cope outside so why couldn't we?

Asia isn't Europe.

Given SO was there, as a representative of a company from a nation within the EU (I'm assuming), it is reasonable to assume (again) companies from other such countries were invited.

One of my sons spends his life successfully selling UK communication equipment to private companies, and governments in the Asia/Pacific region. He certainly doesn’t feel that EU membership is in any way restrictive, and hopes his mother & I vote to Remain. Which isn’t a problem!
(He lives in SE Asia & has been out of UK too long, I think, to have a vote)

It is not restrictive. Other EU countries do a lot more trade with Asian countries than we do. The problem is us, not the EU. What we get with the EU is full and unfettered access to a market of 500 million people. Giving that up will not improve access elsewhere. Instead, we need to focus on producing goods and services that people in other countries want to buy. The trade argument for Leave is a total red herring.

Innocent_Abroad said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Innocent_Abroad said:

blackburn63 said:

Innocent_Abroad said:

blackburn63 said:

SouthamObserver said:

We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.

I'm puzzled, you're clearly a clever bloke involved in a great company, returning from another successful business trip abroad you immediately appear to think:

Thank God for the EU.

Your obvious success has zero to do with EU politicians and bureaucrats, they are a hindrance not a help, you simply don't need them.

You sound like the school sports-master who said to a boy "just think how many runs Bradman would have made if he'd held his bat properly"...

What a stupid thing to say, but then you spend half your life trolling and googling me. Go and find something worthwhile to do with your pointless existence.

Are you and Philip Thomson the same person?

Whether or not, all we ever get from you is racist anger. There is no reason to be anti-EU other than racism.

Ah yes. The normal bigoted ignorant garbage from Mr Innocent. I am sure that Robert Smithson and many others on here like myself who favour a move to EFTA and continuation of freedom of movement must only be proposing that because we are racists.

There are a wide range of political and philosophical reasons to oppose the EU unfortunately it seems you are too dumb to understand them.

So when REMAIN win the referendum it will be because the voters are stupid? (Hint: white males will vote LEAVE).

Ho hum. Your obsession with identity politics continues.

King Cole, two hands working do more than a thousand clasped in prayer.

Innocent_Abroad said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Innocent_Abroad said:

blackburn63 said:

Innocent_Abroad said:

blackburn63 said:

SouthamObserver said:

We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.

I'm puzzled, you're clearly a clever bloke involved in a great company, returning from another successful business trip abroad you immediately appear to think:

Thank God for the EU.

Your obvious success has zero to do with EU politicians and bureaucrats, they are a hindrance not a help, you simply don't need them.

You sound like the school sports-master who said to a boy "just think how many runs Bradman would have made if he'd held his bat properly"...

What a stupid thing to say, but then you spend half your life trolling and googling me. Go and find something worthwhile to do with your pointless existence.

Are you and Philip Thomson the same person?

Whether or not, all we ever get from you is racist anger. There is no reason to be anti-EU other than racism.

Ah yes. The normal bigoted ignorant garbage from Mr Innocent. I am sure that Robert Smithson and many others on here like myself who favour a move to EFTA and continuation of freedom of movement must only be proposing that because we are racists.

There are a wide range of political and philosophical reasons to oppose the EU unfortunately it seems you are too dumb to understand them.

So when REMAIN win the referendum it will be because the voters are stupid? (Hint: white males will vote LEAVE).

Whichever way the public votes, and whatever good arguments are presented on either side, it is quite likely a significant or majority of the voters all over will have been stupid. Ignoring facts they don't like, giving too much weight to irrelevant or false information, using contradictory or irrational logic to make up their minds, and yes, failure to understand important information.

Obviously I'd like to think I'd avoid the same path but that seems unlikely.

OldKingCole said:

Casino_Royale said:

SouthamObserver said:

Philip_Thompson said:

SouthamObserver said:

We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.

How many of those nations you visited were members of the EU? Presumably they could cope outside so why couldn't we?

Of course we could cope. But we should be aiming for higher than that, shouldn't we?

Precisely. Which is just why we should Leave.

We should be aiming to be a hugely successful global trading nation, with the world as our oyster.

Not just accept the straitjacket of remaining a medium-sized European one.

Dealing with the likes of Amazon and Google on our own?

Ah, too wee, too poor, too stupid.

I feel sorry for you that you have such little confidence in this country.

Blue_rog said:

Plato_Says said:

http://thetab.com/2016/04/13/uk-prime-minister-86166

I got Winston Churchill. Which are you?

snap

Me too. I suspect it is one of those where it is difficult not to get Winston Churchill.

Indigo said:

taffys said:

Innocent_Abroad said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Innocent_Abroad said:

blackburn63 said:

Innocent_Abroad said:

blackburn63 said:

SouthamObserver said:

We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.

I'm puzzled, you're clearly a clever bloke involved in a great company, returning from another successful business trip abroad you immediately appear to think:

Thank God for the EU.

Your obvious success has zero to do with EU politicians and bureaucrats, they are a hindrance not a help, you simply don't need them.

You sound like the school sports-master who said to a boy "just think how many runs Bradman would have made if he'd held his bat properly"...

What a stupid thing to say, but then you spend half your life trolling and googling me. Go and find something worthwhile to do with your pointless existence.

Are you and Philip Thomson the same person?

Whether or not, all we ever get from you is racist anger. There is no reason to be anti-EU other than racism.

Ah yes. The normal bigoted ignorant garbage from Mr Innocent. I am sure that Robert Smithson and many others on here like myself who favour a move to EFTA and continuation of freedom of movement must only be proposing that because we are racists.

There are a wide range of political and philosophical reasons to oppose the EU unfortunately it seems you are too dumb to understand them.

So when REMAIN win the referendum it will be because the voters are stupid? (Hint: white males will vote LEAVE).

Ho hum. Your obsession with identity politics continues.

He will be fantasizing about the "right" wanting to herd all lefties into a field and napalm them in a minute. I guess it takes all sorts

I didn't say that. You got there first. So whose head was the napalm inside?

blackburn63 said:

SouthamObserver said:

We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.

I'm puzzled, you're clearly a clever bloke involved in a great company, returning from another successful business trip abroad you immediately appear to think:

Thank God for the EU.

Your obvious success has zero to do with EU politicians and bureaucrats, they are a hindrance not a help, you simply don't need them.

Not really. What I think is that the single market is a great opportunity and a wonderful thing to be a part of from a business perspective, while being an EU member state is no real hindrance to trading elsewhere. We do have export problems in the UK, but they have largely been created by ourselves over a long period of time.

I am relatively relaxed about pooling sovereignty - the EU cannot prevent us from having this referendum, which shows that ultimately we are in charge.

The price we'd pay for significantly reducing EU migration is too high in my opinion: less consumer choice, higher prices and significantly reduced access to the single market.

I don't love the EU as an institution, I think the Brussels gravy train is obscene; but overall I'd rather be on the inside with a chance to do something about it, than on the outside with no influence and reduced access.

OldKingCole said:

Casino_Royale said:

SouthamObserver said:

Philip_Thompson said:

SouthamObserver said:

We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.

How many of those nations you visited were members of the EU? Presumably they could cope outside so why couldn't we?

Of course we could cope. But we should be aiming for higher than that, shouldn't we?

Precisely. Which is just why we should Leave.

We should be aiming to be a hugely successful global trading nation, with the world as our oyster.

Not just accept the straitjacket of remaining a medium-sized European one.

Dealing with the likes of Amazon and Google on our own?

You think the world's fifth largest economy can't get terms?

Another Remainder wimp....