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The IMF reportedly think Greece is going to be a disaster before June as well, they are going to have a busy few months.FrancisUrquhart said:Well the IMF news of warnings of dangers of BREXIT have got rather knocked out of the news cycle.
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I am not privy to Dave's diary nor his plans.blackburn63 said:
So he lied at PMQs then?TheScreamingEagles said:
This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leaveRichard_Nabavi said:
Agreed, although he might well stay on for a while to stabilise things while everyone figures out what on earth to do next.Pulpstar said:
I'd be surprised if Dave's position is politically tenable should we vote to leave, having invested so much capital into the "remain" campaign.TheScreamingEagles said:Haha.
Poor Douglas Carswell gets slammed by Dave.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM
My own expectation that were we to vote to Leave, and Dave didn't announce his resignation, I'd hate to be Graham Brady's postman.0 -
9.02 am ritual harakiri live in Downing StTheScreamingEagles said:
This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leaveRichard_Nabavi said:
Agreed, although he might well stay on for a while to stabilise things while everyone figures out what on earth to do next.Pulpstar said:
I'd be surprised if Dave's position is politically tenable should we vote to leave, having invested so much capital into the "remain" campaign.TheScreamingEagles said:Haha.
Poor Douglas Carswell gets slammed by Dave.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM0 -
Yes but the question is why was the dead cat hurled onto the table this week, not how did the press find out about it two years ago. Cui bono? It's not Labour.CarlottaVance said:
It fits the chronologyDecrepitJohnL said:
2014 is two years ago: that's not a dead cat; it's a red herring.SimonStClare said:
Looks Red to me.DecrepitJohnL said:
Was it Labour, though, or is this dead cat blue?LadyBucket said:Well, I think we can safely say the Labour Dirty Tricks Dept is well and truly up and running. Nothing to do with Damian McBride or Tom Watson I'm sure.
It seems now that anyone can set the dogs running on a story by using the words, "well he/she may not have done anything wrong, but it's the PERCEPTION.
I don't know where this is going but nobody in their right mind would want to go into politics.
https://twitter.com/RealNatalieRowe/status/487389545701601280?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
Between August 2013 and February 2014, I had a relationship with someone who I first met through Match.com,” he said in a statement. “She was a similar age and lived close to me. At no time did she give me any indication of of her real occupation and I only discovered this when I was made aware that someone was trying to sell a story about me to tabloid newspapers.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/13/mp-john-whittingdale-had-relationship-with-sex-worker0 -
Except it's not impossible, theres a 30% chance of it according to the betting markets and probably higher if I listen to old scaredy knickers Lagarde.Richard_Nabavi said:
Contigency plans for the immediate fall-out, of course, and I'm sure they have (indeed Mark Carney said so). But it is ludicrous to suggest that government should have plans for the impossible; it's hardly Cameron's responsibility to resolve the humongous contradiction at the heart of the Leave case. Only someone on the Leave side can break the bad news to voters; if Cameron tried to do that, all the Leavers would be screaming 'Betrayal!'.Alanbrooke said:If they are only trying to figure out what to do on 24th in the event of a Leave vote, they should all be sacked. Immediately.
Their job is to have contingency plans and implement them; wibble isn't the basis for paying a six figure salary
So with a big pile of well doshed up advisers they should have scenarios and gameplans of what's best. That;s his job,
You as a company director have to do risk assessments for you business. Dave's team run a £2 trn business it's their job and if they can't do it they should make way for people who can.0 -
It's not entirely down to Dave though, is it?blackburn63 said:
Brilliant question from Douglas as usual.TheScreamingEagles said:Haha.
Poor Douglas Carswell gets slammed by Dave.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
You see Dave lovers, he's going nowhere, vote Leave with your conscience clear.
Douglas is far cleverer than Cameron and Dave knows it. He called Reckless "fat arse", he never dared abuse Douglas.0 -
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Or you could back the patriotic decision of your fellow countrymen, and try your best to make it a success rather than sneer.Richard_Nabavi said:
Your forgot the bit in the middle, where he announces to the people "The Leave campaign have told you that there is no economic risk, that we don't need to be subject to EU freedom of movement, that new trade deals with the EU and dozens of other countries can be concluded very quickly, and that we'll be able to impose tariffs on imports we don't like. I look forward to seeing how well they do with that lot."TheScreamingEagles said:This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leave
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM0 -
No doubt they'll end up screaming "betrayal" but there's a lot of money to be lost if you do these deals wrong. Are the Tory establishment really just going to step aside and let a bunch of crazy people handle it so they can say I told you so?Richard_Nabavi said:
Contigency plans for the immediate fall-out, of course, and I'm sure they have (indeed Mark Carney said so). But it is ludicrous to suggest that government should have plans for the impossible; it's hardly Cameron's responsibility to resolve the humongous contradiction at the heart of the Leave case. Only someone on the Leave side can break the bad news to voters; if Cameron tried to do that, all the Leavers would be screaming 'Betrayal!'.Alanbrooke said:If they are only trying to figure out what to do on 24th in the event of a Leave vote, they should all be sacked. Immediately.
Their job is to have contingency plans and implement them; wibble isn't the basis for paying a six figure salary0 -
He didn't know. Does that make him Unwitting-dale?0
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I think top Tories know perfectly well what they'd do in the event of a Leave vote.edmundintokyo said:
No doubt they'll end up screaming "betrayal" but there's a lot of money to be lost if you do these deals wrong. Are the Tory establishment really just going to step aside and let a bunch of crazy people handle it so they can say I told you so?Richard_Nabavi said:
Contigency plans for the immediate fall-out, of course, and I'm sure they have (indeed Mark Carney said so). But it is ludicrous to suggest that government should have plans for the impossible; it's hardly Cameron's responsibility to resolve the humongous contradiction at the heart of the Leave case. Only someone on the Leave side can break the bad news to voters; if Cameron tried to do that, all the Leavers would be screaming 'Betrayal!'.Alanbrooke said:If they are only trying to figure out what to do on 24th in the event of a Leave vote, they should all be sacked. Immediately.
Their job is to have contingency plans and implement them; wibble isn't the basis for paying a six figure salary0 -
Nope.TheScreamingEagles said:Haha.
Poor Douglas Carswell gets slammed by Dave.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
That was very clever from Carswell.
Cameron either had to say
Yes - which reassures a lot of Tories who would be concerned that voting Leave would risk them losing their very popular PM.
or No - which immediately opens him up to accusations of being scornful of the decision of the electorate and also gives Opposition parties the opportunity of claiming that a Leave vote will see the back of Cameron.
Either answer helps Leave.0 -
I saw that tweeted earlier, I couldn't summon enough curiosity to click on it.Danny565 said:
Tim Fallon publishes his tax return.
http://www.libdems.org.uk/tim_farron_s_2014_2015_return0 -
You do know his plans, he told us at PMQsTheScreamingEagles said:
I am not privy to Dave's diary nor his plans.blackburn63 said:
So he lied at PMQs then?TheScreamingEagles said:
This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leaveRichard_Nabavi said:
Agreed, although he might well stay on for a while to stabilise things while everyone figures out what on earth to do next.Pulpstar said:
I'd be surprised if Dave's position is politically tenable should we vote to leave, having invested so much capital into the "remain" campaign.TheScreamingEagles said:Haha.
Poor Douglas Carswell gets slammed by Dave.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM
My own expectation that were we to vote to Leave, and Dave didn't announce his resignation, I'd hate to be Graham Brady's postman.0 -
Boom tish!SandyRentool said:
He didn't know. Does that make him Unwitting-dale?
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My main point is that Dougie is getting the last laugh over David in the event of a leave vote !TheScreamingEagles said:
I am not privy to Dave's diary nor his plans.blackburn63 said:
So he lied at PMQs then?TheScreamingEagles said:
This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leaveRichard_Nabavi said:
Agreed, although he might well stay on for a while to stabilise things while everyone figures out what on earth to do next.Pulpstar said:
I'd be surprised if Dave's position is politically tenable should we vote to leave, having invested so much capital into the "remain" campaign.TheScreamingEagles said:Haha.
Poor Douglas Carswell gets slammed by Dave.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM
My own expectation that were we to vote to Leave, and Dave didn't announce his resignation, I'd hate to be Graham Brady's postman.0 -
Of course it is, 100% it is his decision. He was democratically elected PM, only he can decide when to resign.david_herdson said:
It's not entirely down to Dave though, is it?blackburn63 said:
Brilliant question from Douglas as usual.TheScreamingEagles said:Haha.
Poor Douglas Carswell gets slammed by Dave.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
You see Dave lovers, he's going nowhere, vote Leave with your conscience clear.
Douglas is far cleverer than Cameron and Dave knows it. He called Reckless "fat arse", he never dared abuse Douglas.0 -
As David Herdson and I have pointed out, it isn't entirely up to him.blackburn63 said:
You do know his plans, he told us at PMQsTheScreamingEagles said:
I am not privy to Dave's diary nor his plans.blackburn63 said:
So he lied at PMQs then?TheScreamingEagles said:
This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leaveRichard_Nabavi said:
Agreed, although he might well stay on for a while to stabilise things while everyone figures out what on earth to do next.Pulpstar said:
I'd be surprised if Dave's position is politically tenable should we vote to leave, having invested so much capital into the "remain" campaign.TheScreamingEagles said:Haha.
Poor Douglas Carswell gets slammed by Dave.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM
My own expectation that were we to vote to Leave, and Dave didn't announce his resignation, I'd hate to be Graham Brady's postman.0 -
Nope, 15% of Tory MPs can help trigger a vote of confidence in Dave.blackburn63 said:
Of course it is, 100% it is his decision. He was democratically elected PM, only he can decide when to resign.david_herdson said:
It's not entirely down to Dave though, is it?blackburn63 said:
Brilliant question from Douglas as usual.TheScreamingEagles said:Haha.
Poor Douglas Carswell gets slammed by Dave.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
You see Dave lovers, he's going nowhere, vote Leave with your conscience clear.
Douglas is far cleverer than Cameron and Dave knows it. He called Reckless "fat arse", he never dared abuse Douglas.
So would only take 166 MPs to force him out.0 -
Are there two sisters more alike than the Eagles? Only the hair dye separates them.0
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Amazingly low level of savings implied and/or low rate accounts - taxed UK interest £2.78 !Plato_Says said:I saw that tweeted earlier, I couldn't summon enough curiosity to click on it.
Danny565 said:Tim Fallon publishes his tax return.
http://www.libdems.org.uk/tim_farron_s_2014_2015_return0 -
That's rather a foreign method, don't you think? A whisky and a revolver would be more British, though you might argue that 9.02 is a little early for a whisky whatever the circumstances.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
9.02 am ritual harakiri live in Downing StTheScreamingEagles said:
This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leaveRichard_Nabavi said:
Agreed, although he might well stay on for a while to stabilise things while everyone figures out what on earth to do next.Pulpstar said:
I'd be surprised if Dave's position is politically tenable should we vote to leave, having invested so much capital into the "remain" campaign.TheScreamingEagles said:Haha.
Poor Douglas Carswell gets slammed by Dave.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM0 -
Farron.Danny565 said:Tim Fallon publishes his tax return.
http://www.libdems.org.uk/tim_farron_s_2014_2015_return
This is going to be Ed/David all over again isn't it?0 -
Corbyn's spokesman is so resolutely on message, isn't he?
https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/7202207000244183040 -
That's what I suggest, by passing responsibility on to someone who believes in it. It would be like a company deciding on a risky new strategy: you want it implemented by someone who wants to do it, not someone who doesn't.Casino_Royale said:
Or you could back the patriotic decision of your fellow countrymen, and try your best to make it a success rather than sneer.Richard_Nabavi said:
Your forgot the bit in the middle, where he announces to the people "The Leave campaign have told you that there is no economic risk, that we don't need to be subject to EU freedom of movement, that new trade deals with the EU and dozens of other countries can be concluded very quickly, and that we'll be able to impose tariffs on imports we don't like. I look forward to seeing how well they do with that lot."TheScreamingEagles said:This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leave
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM0 -
So in other words Dave should go.Richard_Nabavi said:
That's what I suggest, by passing responsibility on to someone who believes in it. It would be like a company deciding on a risky new strategy: you want it implemented by someone who wants to do it, not someone who doesn't.Casino_Royale said:
Or you could back the patriotic decision of your fellow countrymen, and try your best to make it a success rather than sneer.Richard_Nabavi said:
Your forgot the bit in the middle, where he announces to the people "The Leave campaign have told you that there is no economic risk, that we don't need to be subject to EU freedom of movement, that new trade deals with the EU and dozens of other countries can be concluded very quickly, and that we'll be able to impose tariffs on imports we don't like. I look forward to seeing how well they do with that lot."TheScreamingEagles said:This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leave
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM0 -
Do you really think 165 MPs will force DC out of Office bearing in mind he has substantial membership supportTheScreamingEagles said:
Nope, 15% of Tory MPs can help trigger a vote of confidence in Dave.blackburn63 said:
Of course it is, 100% it is his decision. He was democratically elected PM, only he can decide when to resign.david_herdson said:
It's not entirely down to Dave though, is it?blackburn63 said:
Brilliant question from Douglas as usual.TheScreamingEagles said:Haha.
Poor Douglas Carswell gets slammed by Dave.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
You see Dave lovers, he's going nowhere, vote Leave with your conscience clear.
Douglas is far cleverer than Cameron and Dave knows it. He called Reckless "fat arse", he never dared abuse Douglas.
So would only take 166 MPs to force him out.0 -
In the event of a Leave result, yes, that would be my view. The only proviso I'd make is that he should stay on for a while to stabilise things until the party, parliament and the country have considered what we're actually trying to go for.Alanbrooke said:
So in other words Dave should go.Richard_Nabavi said:
That's what I suggest, by passing responsibility on to someone who believes in it. It would be like a company deciding on a risky new strategy: you want it implemented by someone who wants to do it, not someone who doesn't.Casino_Royale said:
Or you could back the patriotic decision of your fellow countrymen, and try your best to make it a success rather than sneer.Richard_Nabavi said:
Your forgot the bit in the middle, where he announces to the people "The Leave campaign have told you that there is no economic risk, that we don't need to be subject to EU freedom of movement, that new trade deals with the EU and dozens of other countries can be concluded very quickly, and that we'll be able to impose tariffs on imports we don't like. I look forward to seeing how well they do with that lot."TheScreamingEagles said:This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leave
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM0 -
Alanbrooke said:
So in other words Dave should go.Richard_Nabavi said:
That's what I suggest, by passing responsibility on to someone who believes in it. It would be like a company deciding on a risky new strategy: you want it implemented by someone who wants to do it, not someone who doesn't.Casino_Royale said:
Or you could back the patriotic decision of your fellow countrymen, and try your best to make it a success rather than sneer.Richard_Nabavi said:
Your forgot the bit in the middle, where he announces to the people "The Leave campaign have told you that there is no economic risk, that we don't need to be subject to EU freedom of movement, that new trade deals with the EU and dozens of other countries can be concluded very quickly, and that we'll be able to impose tariffs on imports we don't like. I look forward to seeing how well they do with that lot."TheScreamingEagles said:This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leave
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM
Cameron can stay and appt Gove as "Brexit Minister". That would satisfy many people.
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The Tory Party is an absolute monarchy moderated by regicide.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Do you really think 165 MPs will force DC out of Office bearing in mind he has substantial membership supportTheScreamingEagles said:
Nope, 15% of Tory MPs can help trigger a vote of confidence in Dave.blackburn63 said:
Of course it is, 100% it is his decision. He was democratically elected PM, only he can decide when to resign.david_herdson said:
It's not entirely down to Dave though, is it?blackburn63 said:
Brilliant question from Douglas as usual.TheScreamingEagles said:Haha.
Poor Douglas Carswell gets slammed by Dave.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
You see Dave lovers, he's going nowhere, vote Leave with your conscience clear.
Douglas is far cleverer than Cameron and Dave knows it. He called Reckless "fat arse", he never dared abuse Douglas.
So would only take 166 MPs to force him out.
Thatcher has substantial member support when she was toppled.0 -
well thanks for that, it's the first straight answer Ive seen from a remainer in quite some time.Richard_Nabavi said:
In the event of a Leave result, yes, that would be my view. The only proviso I'd make is that he should stay on for a while to stabilise things until the party, parliament and the country have considered what we're actually trying to go for.Alanbrooke said:
So in other words Dave should go.Richard_Nabavi said:
That's what I suggest, by passing responsibility on to someone who believes in it. It would be like a company deciding on a risky new strategy: you want it implemented by someone who wants to do it, not someone who doesn't.Casino_Royale said:
Or you could back the patriotic decision of your fellow countrymen, and try your best to make it a success rather than sneer.Richard_Nabavi said:
Your forgot the bit in the middle, where he announces to the people "The Leave campaign have told you that there is no economic risk, that we don't need to be subject to EU freedom of movement, that new trade deals with the EU and dozens of other countries can be concluded very quickly, and that we'll be able to impose tariffs on imports we don't like. I look forward to seeing how well they do with that lot."TheScreamingEagles said:This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leave
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM0 -
Haha, keep dodging. He was asked if he would stay on ie would he resign. You know the answer.TheScreamingEagles said:
As David Herdson and I have pointed out, it isn't entirely up to him.blackburn63 said:
You do know his plans, he told us at PMQsTheScreamingEagles said:
I am not privy to Dave's diary nor his plans.blackburn63 said:
So he lied at PMQs then?TheScreamingEagles said:
This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leaveRichard_Nabavi said:
Agreed, although he might well stay on for a while to stabilise things while everyone figures out what on earth to do next.Pulpstar said:
I'd be surprised if Dave's position is politically tenable should we vote to leave, having invested so much capital into the "remain" campaign.TheScreamingEagles said:Haha.
Poor Douglas Carswell gets slammed by Dave.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM
My own expectation that were we to vote to Leave, and Dave didn't announce his resignation, I'd hate to be Graham Brady's postman.
It is entirely down to him if he resigns, he wasn't asked about being forced out.
Still, others have confirmed my point, Douglas has nailed him, despite you proclaiming that Douglas had been "slammed".0 -
Tory party leaders always have substantial membership support. It won't matter for MPs. In any case, as Cameron's going later this parliament whatever, what's a couple of years between friends? It's not as if the membership would know *which* MPs voted for him to go. Besides, I'm far from convinced that Cameron has enthusiastic membership support.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Do you really think 165 MPs will force DC out of Office bearing in mind he has substantial membership supportTheScreamingEagles said:
Nope, 15% of Tory MPs can help trigger a vote of confidence in Dave.blackburn63 said:
Of course it is, 100% it is his decision. He was democratically elected PM, only he can decide when to resign.david_herdson said:
It's not entirely down to Dave though, is it?blackburn63 said:
Brilliant question from Douglas as usual.TheScreamingEagles said:Haha.
Poor Douglas Carswell gets slammed by Dave.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
You see Dave lovers, he's going nowhere, vote Leave with your conscience clear.
Douglas is far cleverer than Cameron and Dave knows it. He called Reckless "fat arse", he never dared abuse Douglas.
So would only take 166 MPs to force him out.0 -
Sounds like Jez is going to remain as unenthusiastic about the EU as he can get away with, without his party launching him through a window.Tissue_Price said:Corbyn's spokesman is so resolutely on message, isn't he?
/twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/7202207000244183040 -
I cannot conceive that David Cameron would want to stay in office having lost all authority after a Leave vote. Every concession in the negotiations with the EU would be laid at his door as a betrayal of the public vote by a raging EUROPHILE. Far better to throw the car keys of the Batmobile at a new caped crusader.0
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You'll find as you get older member support increasingly becomes a topic of conversation.TheScreamingEagles said:
The Tory Party is an absolute monarchy moderated by regicide.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Do you really think 165 MPs will force DC out of Office bearing in mind he has substantial membership supportTheScreamingEagles said:
Nope, 15% of Tory MPs can help trigger a vote of confidence in Dave.blackburn63 said:
Of course it is, 100% it is his decision. He was democratically elected PM, only he can decide when to resign.david_herdson said:
It's not entirely down to Dave though, is it?blackburn63 said:
Brilliant question from Douglas as usual.TheScreamingEagles said:Haha.
Poor Douglas Carswell gets slammed by Dave.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
You see Dave lovers, he's going nowhere, vote Leave with your conscience clear.
Douglas is far cleverer than Cameron and Dave knows it. He called Reckless "fat arse", he never dared abuse Douglas.
So would only take 166 MPs to force him out.
Thatcher has substantial member support when she was toppled.0 -
My wife was at university with Carswell. It's been quite a progression if he's now cleverer than somebody with a first from Oxford. To be clear, that's not to say he's stupid and like all politicians (well, if you exclude Balfour) he has confidence in his opinions and likes the sound of his voice, but the living reincarnation of AJP Taylor or, contextually, Gallagher and Robinson he is not.blackburn63 said:
Brilliant question from Douglas as usual.TheScreamingEagles said:Haha.
Poor Douglas Carswell gets slammed by Dave.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
You see Dave lovers, he's going nowhere, vote Leave with your conscience clear.
Douglas is far cleverer than Cameron and Dave knows it. He called Reckless "fat arse", he never dared abuse Douglas.
I suspect the different approaches taken to Carswell and Reckless should be seen in the context of their departures.0 -
I have a theory that if people continually get someone's name wrong, that person has very little influence.Danny565 said:Tim Fallon publishes his tax return.
http://www.libdems.org.uk/tim_farron_s_2014_2015_return
Cf Miliband, E.0 -
I think David Cameron is a great asset to our party, and don't want him to go. He has (fairly shamelessly) done complete 180 degree turns in the past and it's perfectly possible he could so again on the EU. I am willing to keep an open mind, and be convinced he could do so on Brexit as well, and radically rejig his team to lead us Out.Richard_Nabavi said:
That's what I suggest, by passing responsibility on to someone who believes in it. It would be like a company deciding on a risky new strategy: you want it implemented by someone who wants to do it, not someone who doesn't.Casino_Royale said:
Or you could back the patriotic decision of your fellow countrymen, and try your best to make it a success rather than sneer.Richard_Nabavi said:
Your forgot the bit in the middle, where he announces to the people "The Leave campaign have told you that there is no economic risk, that we don't need to be subject to EU freedom of movement, that new trade deals with the EU and dozens of other countries can be concluded very quickly, and that we'll be able to impose tariffs on imports we don't like. I look forward to seeing how well they do with that lot."TheScreamingEagles said:This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leave
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM
However, my view of whether he has the appetite for it, or not, whether he could continue to carry the balance of the party with him, or not, or whether he might depart the premiership earlier than he might ideally have liked to, or not, will have no bearing whatsoever on my EU vote.
I might be disappointed and a bit upset about it, but this is about the future of the country and is bigger than one man, no matter how big that man is.0 -
This is something which is holding me back from voting Leave, actually. Will we actually get a say in what exactly comes after we leave?Richard_Nabavi said:
In the event of a Leave result, yes, that would be my view. The only proviso I'd make is that he should stay on for a while to stabilise things until the party, parliament and the country have considered what we're actually trying to go for.Alanbrooke said:
So in other words Dave should go.Richard_Nabavi said:
That's what I suggest, by passing responsibility on to someone who believes in it. It would be like a company deciding on a risky new strategy: you want it implemented by someone who wants to do it, not someone who doesn't.Casino_Royale said:
Or you could back the patriotic decision of your fellow countrymen, and try your best to make it a success rather than sneer.Richard_Nabavi said:
Your forgot the bit in the middle, where he announces to the people "The Leave campaign have told you that there is no economic risk, that we don't need to be subject to EU freedom of movement, that new trade deals with the EU and dozens of other countries can be concluded very quickly, and that we'll be able to impose tariffs on imports we don't like. I look forward to seeing how well they do with that lot."TheScreamingEagles said:This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leave
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM
As much as Boris's "second referendum" idea was mocked, for me personally it would reassure me a bit: I want to be given a menu of different Brexit options to choose from, I don't have faith that my vote to Leave will be interpreted by the Tory rightwingers in the way I want it to be.0 -
Kippers/Leavers think Kipper/Leaver did well.blackburn63 said:
Haha, keep dodging. He was asked if he would stay on ie would he resign. You know the answer.TheScreamingEagles said:
As David Herdson and I have pointed out, it isn't entirely up to him.blackburn63 said:
You do know his plans, he told us at PMQsTheScreamingEagles said:
I am not privy to Dave's diary nor his plans.blackburn63 said:
So he lied at PMQs then?TheScreamingEagles said:
This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leaveRichard_Nabavi said:
Agreed, although he might well stay on for a while to stabilise things while everyone figures out what on earth to do next.Pulpstar said:
I'd be surprised if Dave's position is politically tenable should we vote to leave, having invested so much capital into the "remain" campaign.TheScreamingEagles said:Haha.
Poor Douglas Carswell gets slammed by Dave.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM
My own expectation that were we to vote to Leave, and Dave didn't announce his resignation, I'd hate to be Graham Brady's postman.
It is entirely down to him if he resigns, he wasn't asked about being forced out.
Still, others have confirmed my point, Douglas has nailed him, despite you proclaiming that Douglas had been "slammed".
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Would the PM invoke article 50 even if it wasn't in the in the country's best interest at that moment in time?TheScreamingEagles said:
This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leaveRichard_Nabavi said:
Agreed, although he might well stay on for a while to stabilise things while everyone figures out what on earth to do next.Pulpstar said:
I'd be surprised if Dave's position is politically tenable should we vote to leave, having invested so much capital into the "remain" campaign.TheScreamingEagles said:Haha.
Poor Douglas Carswell gets slammed by Dave.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM
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And I suppose you fanboying over Dave's performance is meant to be a refreshing insight is it?TheScreamingEagles said:
Kippers/Leavers think Kipper/Leaver did well.blackburn63 said:
Haha, keep dodging. He was asked if he would stay on ie would he resign. You know the answer.TheScreamingEagles said:
As David Herdson and I have pointed out, it isn't entirely up to him.blackburn63 said:
You do know his plans, he told us at PMQsTheScreamingEagles said:
I am not privy to Dave's diary nor his plans.blackburn63 said:
So he lied at PMQs then?TheScreamingEagles said:
This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leaveRichard_Nabavi said:
Agreed, although he might well stay on for a while to stabilise things while everyone figures out what on earth to do next.Pulpstar said:
I'd be surprised if Dave's position is politically tenable should we vote to leave, having invested so much capital into the "remain" campaign.TheScreamingEagles said:Haha.
Poor Douglas Carswell gets slammed by Dave.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM
My own expectation that were we to vote to Leave, and Dave didn't announce his resignation, I'd hate to be Graham Brady's postman.
It is entirely down to him if he resigns, he wasn't asked about being forced out.
Still, others have confirmed my point, Douglas has nailed him, despite you proclaiming that Douglas had been "slammed".
Colour me stunned0 -
The second referendum needs to include remaining a member along with the various Leave options so that we could decide by AV.Danny565 said:
This is something which is holding me back from voting Leave, actually. Will we actually get a say in what exactly comes after we leave?Richard_Nabavi said:
In the event of a Leave result, yes, that would be my view. The only proviso I'd make is that he should stay on for a while to stabilise things until the party, parliament and the country have considered what we're actually trying to go for.Alanbrooke said:
So in other words Dave should go.Richard_Nabavi said:
That's what I suggest, by passing responsibility on to someone who believes in it. It would be like a company deciding on a risky new strategy: you want it implemented by someone who wants to do it, not someone who doesn't.Casino_Royale said:
Or you could back the patriotic decision of your fellow countrymen, and try your best to make it a success rather than sneer.Richard_Nabavi said:
Your forgot the bit in the middle, where he announces to the people "The Leave campaign have told you that there is no economic risk, that we don't need to be subject to EU freedom of movement, that new trade deals with the EU and dozens of other countries can be concluded very quickly, and that we'll be able to impose tariffs on imports we don't like. I look forward to seeing how well they do with that lot."TheScreamingEagles said:This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leave
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM
As much as Boris's "second referendum" idea was mocked, for me personally it would reassure me a bit: I want to be given a menu of different Brexit options to choose from, I don't have faith that my vote to Leave will be interpreted by the Tory rightwingers in the way I want it to be.0 -
My admiration for Douglas has grown, he gets to ask few questions and can't afford to waste them. Today he reassured those wearing Dave pom poms that he'll be around in the event of Leave.
Masterstroke Douglas.0 -
Hodges is being silly. If any question of a Muslim standing for office becomes labelled as Islamophobic dog-whistling then we have reached a very poor and dangerous situation. Anyone standing for office should be prepared to answer questions relating to their fitness for that office and their policies once in office.JackW said:
Zac's got a chance then.Danny565 said:Dan Hodges @DPJHodges 16h16 hours ago
Zack Goldsmith is a genuinely nice guy. But there's no avoiding it. His campaign has descended into base, Islamophobic dog-whistling.
Given that:-
1. Khan himself has raised the issue of his religion as a point in his favour;
2. There is evidence of him speaking at and associating with people who are extremists;
3. We are living at a time when we are at high risk of terrorism, some of it justified by the very people Khan has associated with; and
4. Khan has made a point of saying that he will challenge Islamic extremists;
it is perfectly legitimate to ask him about his associations, query his judgment and ask him how he will implement his policy of challenging extremists.
No-one should be beyond challenge.
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Brilliant?blackburn63 said:
Brilliant question from Douglas as usual.TheScreamingEagles said:Haha.
Poor Douglas Carswell gets slammed by Dave.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
You see Dave lovers, he's going nowhere, vote Leave with your conscience clear.
Douglas is far cleverer than Cameron and Dave knows it. He called Reckless "fat arse", he never dared abuse Douglas.
Any question which is a duplicate of Richard Burgon's asked at PMQs a few weeks ago must by definition be idiotic.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/03/watch-richard-burgon-upsets-his-fellow-labour-mps-at-pmqs/0 -
that assumes people from Oxford are clever. A lot of them are fkwits.matt said:
My wife was at university with Carswell. It's been quite a progression if he's now cleverer than somebody with a first from Oxford. To be clear, that's not to say he's stupid and like all politicians (well, if you exclude Balfour) he has confidence in his opinions and likes the sound of his voice, but the living reincarnation of AJP Taylor or, contextually, Gallagher and Robinson he is not.blackburn63 said:
Brilliant question from Douglas as usual.TheScreamingEagles said:Haha.
Poor Douglas Carswell gets slammed by Dave.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
You see Dave lovers, he's going nowhere, vote Leave with your conscience clear.
Douglas is far cleverer than Cameron and Dave knows it. He called Reckless "fat arse", he never dared abuse Douglas.
I suspect the different approaches taken to Carswell and Reckless should be seen in the context of their departures.0 -
He will be implementing the will of the people.LordWakefield said:
Would the PM invoke article 50 even if it wasn't in the in the country's best interest at that moment in time?TheScreamingEagles said:
This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leaveRichard_Nabavi said:
Agreed, although he might well stay on for a while to stabilise things while everyone figures out what on earth to do next.Pulpstar said:
I'd be surprised if Dave's position is politically tenable should we vote to leave, having invested so much capital into the "remain" campaign.TheScreamingEagles said:Haha.
Poor Douglas Carswell gets slammed by Dave.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM
Can you imagine what the fervent leavers will be like if he doesn't? He's ignoring the will of the people.
Impeach the bastard.0 -
I would love to see Cameron buck the trend and stay on. It is the reason I am so dismayed by his behaviour so far in the campaign as he seems intent on burning bridges.MarkHopkins said:Alanbrooke said:
So in other words Dave should go.Richard_Nabavi said:
That's what I suggest, by passing responsibility on to someone who believes in it. It would be like a company deciding on a risky new strategy: you want it implemented by someone who wants to do it, not someone who doesn't.Casino_Royale said:
Or you could back the patriotic decision of your fellow countrymen, and try your best to make it a success rather than sneer.Richard_Nabavi said:
Your forgot the bit in the middle, where he announces to the people "The Leave campaign have told you that there is no economic risk, that we don't need to be subject to EU freedom of movement, that new trade deals with the EU and dozens of other countries can be concluded very quickly, and that we'll be able to impose tariffs on imports we don't like. I look forward to seeing how well they do with that lot."TheScreamingEagles said:This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leave
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM
Cameron can stay and appt Gove as "Brexit Minister". That would satisfy many people.0 -
Michael Gove believes in Brexit and is a safe enough pair of hands. I expect he'd get George's blessing too (Their meeting makes a tremendous amount of sense when you think about it).Richard_Nabavi said:
That's what I suggest, by passing responsibility on to someone who believes in it. It would be like a company deciding on a risky new strategy: you want it implemented by someone who wants to do it, not someone who doesn't.Casino_Royale said:
Or you could back the patriotic decision of your fellow countrymen, and try your best to make it a success rather than sneer.Richard_Nabavi said:
Your forgot the bit in the middle, where he announces to the people "The Leave campaign have told you that there is no economic risk, that we don't need to be subject to EU freedom of movement, that new trade deals with the EU and dozens of other countries can be concluded very quickly, and that we'll be able to impose tariffs on imports we don't like. I look forward to seeing how well they do with that lot."TheScreamingEagles said:This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leave
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM
Who would be the other person in the race though ?
We can rule out Osborne at this point.0 -
Yes, but falling short of a simple majority might well be enough to force him out.TheScreamingEagles said:
Nope, 15% of Tory MPs can help trigger a vote of confidence in Dave.blackburn63 said:
Of course it is, 100% it is his decision. He was democratically elected PM, only he can decide when to resign.david_herdson said:
It's not entirely down to Dave though, is it?blackburn63 said:
Brilliant question from Douglas as usual.TheScreamingEagles said:Haha.
Poor Douglas Carswell gets slammed by Dave.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
You see Dave lovers, he's going nowhere, vote Leave with your conscience clear.
Douglas is far cleverer than Cameron and Dave knows it. He called Reckless "fat arse", he never dared abuse Douglas.
So would only take 166 MPs to force him out.
If 130MPs voted no confidence in his leadership (including a majority of the backbenches) with 20 or so abstentions, I think he'd be forced to resign.
Cameron needs to tread carefully not with the hardcore of 30-40 MPs who'd probably always vote against him, but the other hundred on top who might not but are also Brexiteers.0 -
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If the Conservative party intends to lose the next election, Gove would be an ideal choice.Pulpstar said:
Michael Gove believes in Brexit and is a safe enough pair of hands. I expect he'd get George's blessing too (Their meeting makes a tremendous amount of sense when you think about it).Richard_Nabavi said:
That's what I suggest, by passing responsibility on to someone who believes in it. It would be like a company deciding on a risky new strategy: you want it implemented by someone who wants to do it, not someone who doesn't.Casino_Royale said:
Or you could back the patriotic decision of your fellow countrymen, and try your best to make it a success rather than sneer.Richard_Nabavi said:
Your forgot the bit in the middle, where he announces to the people "The Leave campaign have told you that there is no economic risk, that we don't need to be subject to EU freedom of movement, that new trade deals with the EU and dozens of other countries can be concluded very quickly, and that we'll be able to impose tariffs on imports we don't like. I look forward to seeing how well they do with that lot."TheScreamingEagles said:This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leave
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM
Who would be the other person in the race though ?
We can rule out Osborne at this point.0 -
And make Gove DPM.MarkHopkins said:Alanbrooke said:
So in other words Dave should go.Richard_Nabavi said:
That's what I suggest, by passing responsibility on to someone who believes in it. It would be like a company deciding on a risky new strategy: you want it implemented by someone who wants to do it, not someone who doesn't.Casino_Royale said:
Or you could back the patriotic decision of your fellow countrymen, and try your best to make it a success rather than sneer.Richard_Nabavi said:
Your forgot the bit in the middle, where he announces to the people "The Leave campaign have told you that there is no economic risk, that we don't need to be subject to EU freedom of movement, that new trade deals with the EU and dozens of other countries can be concluded very quickly, and that we'll be able to impose tariffs on imports we don't like. I look forward to seeing how well they do with that lot."TheScreamingEagles said:This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leave
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM
Cameron can stay and appt Gove as "Brexit Minister". That would satisfy many people.0 -
He is certainly "all in" on the referendum which is a crazy situation. In fact I'd go as far to say he's all in blind.Richard_Tyndall said:
I would love to see Cameron buck the trend and stay on. It is the reason I am so dismayed by his behaviour so far in the campaign as he seems intent on burning bridges.MarkHopkins said:Alanbrooke said:
So in other words Dave should go.Richard_Nabavi said:
That's what I suggest, by passing responsibility on to someone who believes in it. It would be like a company deciding on a risky new strategy: you want it implemented by someone who wants to do it, not someone who doesn't.Casino_Royale said:
Or you could back the patriotic decision of your fellow countrymen, and try your best to make it a success rather than sneer.Richard_Nabavi said:
Your forgot the bit in the middle, where he announces to the people "The Leave campaign have told you that there is no economic risk, that we don't need to be subject to EU freedom of movement, that new trade deals with the EU and dozens of other countries can be concluded very quickly, and that we'll be able to impose tariffs on imports we don't like. I look forward to seeing how well they do with that lot."TheScreamingEagles said:This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leave
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM
Cameron can stay and appt Gove as "Brexit Minister". That would satisfy many people.0 -
"Douglas is far cleverer than Cameron"blackburn63 said:
Brilliant question from Douglas as usual.TheScreamingEagles said:Haha.
Poor Douglas Carswell gets slammed by Dave.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
You see Dave lovers, he's going nowhere, vote Leave with your conscience clear.
Douglas is far cleverer than Cameron and Dave knows it. He called Reckless "fat arse", he never dared abuse Douglas.
Do you have any evidence about that, aside from a rather unintelligent: "I agree with person A, therefore person A must be clever. I disagree with person B, therefore person B cannot be clever" ?
Checking on wiki, Carswell has an upper-class degree from the University of East Anglia, followed by a Masters in Imperial History at King's, London.
Cameron has a first from Oxford.
Cameron got three A's at A-level; I have not been able to quickly discover what Carswell got.
Unless you are really saying that Cameron could not have done a masters, there seems little evidence for their comparative cleverness.0 -
Cameron resigning on Day 1 would wreck the markets and create turmoil.MarkHopkins said:Alanbrooke said:
So in other words Dave should go.Richard_Nabavi said:
That's what I suggest, by passing responsibility on to someone who believes in it. It would be like a company deciding on a risky new strategy: you want it implemented by someone who wants to do it, not someone who doesn't.Casino_Royale said:
Or you could back the patriotic decision of your fellow countrymen, and try your best to make it a success rather than sneer.Richard_Nabavi said:
Your forgot the bit in the middle, where he announces to the people "The Leave campaign have told you that there is no economic risk, that we don't need to be subject to EU freedom of movement, that new trade deals with the EU and dozens of other countries can be concluded very quickly, and that we'll be able to impose tariffs on imports we don't like. I look forward to seeing how well they do with that lot."TheScreamingEagles said:This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leave
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM
Cameron can stay and appt Gove as "Brexit Minister". That would satisfy many people.
I think he might annouce a timetable for a leadership campaign but in the meantime govern domestically, and globally as required, but delegate all discussion with the EU to a Brexit team led by Gove.
I'd like to see promotions for Leadsom (possibly to Chancellor), Gove to foreign secretary and Raab to Justice in such an eventuality, with perhaps Patel as Chief Sec. May could probably stay. Boris would need something (God knows what)
I think Hammond, Osborne and Javid would not be in a great place.0 -
Perhaps this reflects his post-politics plansblackburn63 said:
He is certainly "all in" on the referendum which is a crazy situation. In fact I'd go as far to say he's all in blind.Richard_Tyndall said:
I would love to see Cameron buck the trend and stay on. It is the reason I am so dismayed by his behaviour so far in the campaign as he seems intent on burning bridges.MarkHopkins said:Alanbrooke said:
So in other words Dave should go.Richard_Nabavi said:
That's what I suggest, by passing responsibility on to someone who believes in it. It would be like a company deciding on a risky new strategy: you want it implemented by someone who wants to do it, not someone who doesn't.Casino_Royale said:
Or you could back the patriotic decision of your fellow countrymen, and try your best to make it a success rather than sneer.Richard_Nabavi said:
Your forgot the bit in the middle, where he announces to the people "The Leave campaign have told you that there is no economic risk, that we don't need to be subject to EU freedom of movement, that new trade deals with the EU and dozens of other countries can be concluded very quickly, and that we'll be able to impose tariffs on imports we don't like. I look forward to seeing how well they do with that lot."TheScreamingEagles said:This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leave
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM
Cameron can stay and appt Gove as "Brexit Minister". That would satisfy many people.0 -
Me too.Richard_Tyndall said:
I would love to see Cameron buck the trend and stay on. It is the reason I am so dismayed by his behaviour so far in the campaign as he seems intent on burning bridges.MarkHopkins said:Alanbrooke said:
So in other words Dave should go.Richard_Nabavi said:
That's what I suggest, by passing responsibility on to someone who believes in it. It would be like a company deciding on a risky new strategy: you want it implemented by someone who wants to do it, not someone who doesn't.Casino_Royale said:
Or you could back the patriotic decision of your fellow countrymen, and try your best to make it a success rather than sneer.Richard_Nabavi said:
Your forgot the bit in the middle, where he announces to the people "The Leave campaign have told you that there is no economic risk, that we don't need to be subject to EU freedom of movement, that new trade deals with the EU and dozens of other countries can be concluded very quickly, and that we'll be able to impose tariffs on imports we don't like. I look forward to seeing how well they do with that lot."TheScreamingEagles said:This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leave
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM
Cameron can stay and appt Gove as "Brexit Minister". That would satisfy many people.0 -
Carswell looks wholly out of place sat down the far end of the chamber surrounded by the SNP!TheScreamingEagles said:Haha.
Poor Douglas Carswell gets slammed by Dave.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
Mustn't be a pleasant daily work environment for him....0 -
Oxford's a complete dump.Alanbrooke said:
that assumes people from Oxford are clever. A lot of them are fkwits.matt said:
My wife was at university with Carswell. It's been quite a progression if he's now cleverer than somebody with a first from Oxford. To be clear, that's not to say he's stupid and like all politicians (well, if you exclude Balfour) he has confidence in his opinions and likes the sound of his voice, but the living reincarnation of AJP Taylor or, contextually, Gallagher and Robinson he is not.blackburn63 said:
Brilliant question from Douglas as usual.TheScreamingEagles said:Haha.
Poor Douglas Carswell gets slammed by Dave.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
You see Dave lovers, he's going nowhere, vote Leave with your conscience clear.
Douglas is far cleverer than Cameron and Dave knows it. He called Reckless "fat arse", he never dared abuse Douglas.
I suspect the different approaches taken to Carswell and Reckless should be seen in the context of their departures.
Never forget the bitter bastards there refused Thatcher an honorary degree purely because they disliked her politics.0 -
My personal view is that it is actually quite clear: a vote for Leave would unambiguously be a vote for a deal which did not include freedom of movement, so the job of the negotiators would be to try to secure the best deal possible given that constraint. My reasoning is very simple: both Leave campaigns have put 'control of our borders' as a top reason for leaving, and all the polling as well as anecdotal evidence suggests it's a key, perhaps the most important, motivation for people to vote Leave. I can't see how any government could turn round and say 'well, suckers, you may have thought you were voting for an end to unrestricted EU immigration but you were had: we're signing straight back into it."Danny565 said:This is something which is holding me back from voting Leave, actually. Will we actually get a say in what exactly comes after we leave?
As much as Boris's "second referendum" idea was mocked, for me personally it would reassure me a bit: I want to be given a menu of different Brexit options to choose from, I don't have faith that my vote to Leave will be interpreted by the Tory rightwingers in the way I want it to be.0 -
Well spotted. Nothing new then.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Brilliant?blackburn63 said:
Brilliant question from Douglas as usual.TheScreamingEagles said:Haha.
Poor Douglas Carswell gets slammed by Dave.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
You see Dave lovers, he's going nowhere, vote Leave with your conscience clear.
Douglas is far cleverer than Cameron and Dave knows it. He called Reckless "fat arse", he never dared abuse Douglas.
Any question which is a duplicate of Richard Burgon's asked at PMQs a few weeks ago must by definition be idiotic.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/03/watch-richard-burgon-upsets-his-fellow-labour-mps-at-pmqs/
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Do you think it entirely sensible for Corbyn to give Cameron another opportunity to point out Corbyn's associations with extremists and terrorists?Danny565 said:If Corbyn had any political nous, he would challenge Cameron in Parliament to back Goldsmith's racist nonsense about Khan "giving cover to extremists".
Either Cameron would say yes, in which case his reputation as a non-racist "moderniser" and "nice guy" would be damaged.
Or he would say no or decline to answer, in which case Khan would be able to throw "even your party leader doesn't agree with you" whenever Goldsmith trotted out that line.
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Whittingdale is an odious right-wing ideologue who could potentially do a a lot of damage to the BBC, one of this country's greatest and most loved institutions.
However, the fact he dated a hooker is of no relevance. Move along please...0 -
It all depends by the margin by which leave wins. If leave wins by a large amount Cameron might be under intolerable pressure to resign immediately.Casino_Royale said:
Cameron resigning on Day 1 would wreck the markets and create turmoil.MarkHopkins said:Alanbrooke said:
So in other words Dave should go.Richard_Nabavi said:
That's what I suggest, by passing responsibility on to someone who believes in it. It would be like a company deciding on a risky new strategy: you want it implemented by someone who wants to do it, not someone who doesn't.Casino_Royale said:
Or you could back the patriotic decision of your fellow countrymen, and try your best to make it a success rather than sneer.Richard_Nabavi said:
Your forgot the bit in the middle, where he announces to the people "The Leave campaign have told you that there is no economic risk, that we don't need to be subject to EU freedom of movement, that new trade deals with the EU and dozens of other countries can be concluded very quickly, and that we'll be able to impose tariffs on imports we don't like. I look forward to seeing how well they do with that lot."TheScreamingEagles said:This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leave
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM
Cameron can stay and appt Gove as "Brexit Minister". That would satisfy many people.
I think he might annouce a timetable for a leadership campaign but in the meantime govern domestically, and globally as required, but delegate all discussion with the EU to a Brexit team led by Gove.
I'd like to see promotions for Leadsom (possibly to Chancellor), Gove to foreign secretary and Raab to Justice in such an eventuality, with perhaps Patel as Chief Sec. May could probably stay. Boris would need something (God knows what)
I think Hammond, Osborne and Javid would not be in a great place.
If it is very close - say less than 5% in it - then leavers hope of holding all the cards as you detail above might be a little premature.0 -
Honorary degrees are for those who don't have an actual one.Casino_Royale said:
Oxford's a complete dump.Alanbrooke said:
that assumes people from Oxford are clever. A lot of them are fkwits.matt said:
My wife was at university with Carswell. It's been quite a progression if he's now cleverer than somebody with a first from Oxford. To be clear, that's not to say he's stupid and like all politicians (well, if you exclude Balfour) he has confidence in his opinions and likes the sound of his voice, but the living reincarnation of AJP Taylor or, contextually, Gallagher and Robinson he is not.blackburn63 said:
Brilliant question from Douglas as usual.TheScreamingEagles said:Haha.
Poor Douglas Carswell gets slammed by Dave.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
You see Dave lovers, he's going nowhere, vote Leave with your conscience clear.
Douglas is far cleverer than Cameron and Dave knows it. He called Reckless "fat arse", he never dared abuse Douglas.
I suspect the different approaches taken to Carswell and Reckless should be seen in the context of their departures.
Never forget the bitter bastards there refused Thatcher an honorary degree purely because they disliked her politics.
Maggie didn't need one - she already had a degree from the best university in Europe.
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Just imagine if Remain won, and Cameron promoted only Remainers and shunted the Leavers, you'd be fuming.Casino_Royale said:
Cameron resigning on Day 1 would wreck the markets and create turmoil.MarkHopkins said:Alanbrooke said:
So in other words Dave should go.Richard_Nabavi said:
That's what I suggest, by passing responsibility on to someone who believes in it. It would be like a company deciding on a risky new strategy: you want it implemented by someone who wants to do it, not someone who doesn't.Casino_Royale said:
Or you could back the patriotic decision of your fellow countrymen, and try your best to make it a success rather than sneer.Richard_Nabavi said:
Your forgot the bit in the middle, where he announces to the people "The Leave campaign have told you that there is no economic risk, that we don't need to be subject to EU freedom of movement, that new trade deals with the EU and dozens of other countries can be concluded very quickly, and that we'll be able to impose tariffs on imports we don't like. I look forward to seeing how well they do with that lot."TheScreamingEagles said:This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leave
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM
Cameron can stay and appt Gove as "Brexit Minister". That would satisfy many people.
I think he might annouce a timetable for a leadership campaign but in the meantime govern domestically, and globally as required, but delegate all discussion with the EU to a Brexit team led by Gove.
I'd like to see promotions for Leadsom (possibly to Chancellor), Gove to foreign secretary and Raab to Justice in such an eventuality, with perhaps Patel as Chief Sec. May could probably stay. Boris would need something (God knows what)
I think Hammond, Osborne and Javid would not be in a great place.0 -
Ahhh, we're comparing qualifications again are we?JosiasJessop said:
"Douglas is far cleverer than Cameron"blackburn63 said:
Brilliant question from Douglas as usual.TheScreamingEagles said:Haha.
Poor Douglas Carswell gets slammed by Dave.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
You see Dave lovers, he's going nowhere, vote Leave with your conscience clear.
Douglas is far cleverer than Cameron and Dave knows it. He called Reckless "fat arse", he never dared abuse Douglas.
Do you have any evidence about that, aside from a rather unintelligent: "I agree with person A, therefore person A must be clever. I disagree with person B, therefore person B cannot be clever" ?
Checking on wiki, Carswell has an upper-class degree from the University of East Anglia, followed by a Masters in Imperial History at King's, London.
Cameron has a first from Oxford.
Cameron got three A's at A-level; I have not been able to quickly discover what Carswell got.
Unless you are really saying that Cameron could not have done a masters, there seems little evidence for their comparative cleverness.
Two friends from school, one went to Oxbridge, not up to much, the other left at 16, no qualifications at all, now a millionaire.
You see being "clever" involves using other criteria such as judgement. Carswell took a massive risk in his career two years ago, does that make him, clever, brave, ambitious, foolhardy, reckless, none/all of them?
Some people are presented with circumstances that are enormously beneficial, credit to them if they take advantage, but that doesn't make them "cleverer" than a MENSA member roadsweeper.
I have a rule of thumb, if sycophants suggest their hero has "slammed" somebody, I'd suggest the opposite has happen, there can be little doubt that Douglas left the house feeling very satisfied.0 -
Point of order: the belief that something is "one of this country's greatest and most loved institutions" does not make it immune to change or criticism. For instance, I'd say they've got away with the Saville and other scandals where they should have been absolutely spanked.murali_s said:Whittingdale is an odious right-wing ideologue who could potentially do a a lot of damage to the BBC, one of this country's greatest and most loved institutions.
However, the fact he dated a hooker is of no relevance. Move along please...
The BBC's belief - and that of its supporters - in its superiority does no-one any good, least of all the BBC itself.
Edit: BTW, your criticism of Whittingdale is odd, considering he might have saved the BBC by allowing them to charge for iPlayer. IMO this is a deeply regressive and negative move. But it might have saved the BBC's bacon in the long term.0 -
Maggie went to Cambridge?Mortimer said:
Honorary degrees are for those who don't have an actual one.Casino_Royale said:
Oxford's a complete dump.Alanbrooke said:
that assumes people from Oxford are clever. A lot of them are fkwits.matt said:
My wife was at university with Carswell. It's been quite a progression if he's now cleverer than somebody with a first from Oxford. To be clear, that's not to say he's stupid and like all politicians (well, if you exclude Balfour) he has confidence in his opinions and likes the sound of his voice, but the living reincarnation of AJP Taylor or, contextually, Gallagher and Robinson he is not.blackburn63 said:
Brilliant question from Douglas as usual.TheScreamingEagles said:Haha.
Poor Douglas Carswell gets slammed by Dave.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
You see Dave lovers, he's going nowhere, vote Leave with your conscience clear.
Douglas is far cleverer than Cameron and Dave knows it. He called Reckless "fat arse", he never dared abuse Douglas.
I suspect the different approaches taken to Carswell and Reckless should be seen in the context of their departures.
Never forget the bitter bastards there refused Thatcher an honorary degree purely because they disliked her politics.
Maggie didn't need one - she already had a degree from the best university in Europe.0 -
Carswell gets a question once in a blue moon and repeats someone elses question and gets the same answer. Brilliant?0
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LOLTheScreamingEagles said:
Maggie went to Cambridge?Mortimer said:
Honorary degrees are for those who don't have an actual one.Casino_Royale said:
Oxford's a complete dump.Alanbrooke said:
that assumes people from Oxford are clever. A lot of them are fkwits.matt said:
My wife was at university with Carswell. It's been quite a progression if he's now cleverer than somebody with a first from Oxford. To be clear, that's not to say he's stupid and like all politicians (well, if you exclude Balfour) he has confidence in his opinions and likes the sound of his voice, but the living reincarnation of AJP Taylor or, contextually, Gallagher and Robinson he is not.blackburn63 said:
Brilliant question from Douglas as usual.TheScreamingEagles said:Haha.
Poor Douglas Carswell gets slammed by Dave.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
You see Dave lovers, he's going nowhere, vote Leave with your conscience clear.
Douglas is far cleverer than Cameron and Dave knows it. He called Reckless "fat arse", he never dared abuse Douglas.
I suspect the different approaches taken to Carswell and Reckless should be seen in the context of their departures.
Never forget the bitter bastards there refused Thatcher an honorary degree purely because they disliked her politics.
Maggie didn't need one - she already had a degree from the best university in Europe.
I can see we're in for an afternoon of people waving their O Level certificates.0 -
You clearly have not seen the Mortimer university rankings:TheScreamingEagles said:
Maggie went to Cambridge?Mortimer said:
Honorary degrees are for those who don't have an actual one.Casino_Royale said:
Oxford's a complete dump.Alanbrooke said:
that assumes people from Oxford are clever. A lot of them are fkwits.matt said:
My wife was at university with Carswell. It's been quite a progression if he's now cleverer than somebody with a first from Oxford. To be clear, that's not to say he's stupid and like all politicians (well, if you exclude Balfour) he has confidence in his opinions and likes the sound of his voice, but the living reincarnation of AJP Taylor or, contextually, Gallagher and Robinson he is not.blackburn63 said:
Brilliant question from Douglas as usual.TheScreamingEagles said:Haha.
Poor Douglas Carswell gets slammed by Dave.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
You see Dave lovers, he's going nowhere, vote Leave with your conscience clear.
Douglas is far cleverer than Cameron and Dave knows it. He called Reckless "fat arse", he never dared abuse Douglas.
I suspect the different approaches taken to Carswell and Reckless should be seen in the context of their departures.
Never forget the bitter bastards there refused Thatcher an honorary degree purely because they disliked her politics.
Maggie didn't need one - she already had a degree from the best university in Europe.
1. Oxford
Joint 642. Everywhere else.0 -
The is UKIP we're dealing with.SimonStClare said:Carswell gets a question once in a blue moon and repeats someone elses question and gets the same answer. Brilliant?
Low bar for success. A bit like non competitive sports day, everyone's a winner.0 -
You are being unfair. Carswell is by a country mile the most brilliant UKIP MP.TheScreamingEagles said:
The is UKIP we're dealing with.SimonStClare said:Carswell gets a question once in a blue moon and repeats someone elses question and gets the same answer. Brilliant?
Low bar for success. A bit like non competitive sports day, everyone's a winner.0 -
Anecdote alert. The ridiculousness of project fear has turned my steady as he goes ex-accountant father into a leaver.0
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Oxford it's Number Two for a reasonMortimer said:
You clearly have not seen the Mortimer university rankings:TheScreamingEagles said:
Maggie went to Cambridge?Mortimer said:
Honorary degrees are for those who don't have an actual one.Casino_Royale said:
Oxford's a complete dump.Alanbrooke said:
that assumes people from Oxford are clever. A lot of them are fkwits.matt said:
My wife was at university with Carswell. It's been quite a progression if he's now cleverer than somebody with a first from Oxford. To be clear, that's not to say he's stupid and like all politicians (well, if you exclude Balfour) he has confidence in his opinions and likes the sound of his voice, but the living reincarnation of AJP Taylor or, contextually, Gallagher and Robinson he is not.blackburn63 said:
Brilliant question from Douglas as usual.TheScreamingEagles said:Haha.
Poor Douglas Carswell gets slammed by Dave.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
You see Dave lovers, he's going nowhere, vote Leave with your conscience clear.
Douglas is far cleverer than Cameron and Dave knows it. He called Reckless "fat arse", he never dared abuse Douglas.
I suspect the different approaches taken to Carswell and Reckless should be seen in the context of their departures.
Never forget the bitter bastards there refused Thatcher an honorary degree purely because they disliked her politics.
Maggie didn't need one - she already had a degree from the best university in Europe.
1. Oxford
Joint 642. Everywhere else.0 -
A few months ago, it got me onto trouble on PB.Alanbrooke said:
LOLTheScreamingEagles said:
Maggie went to Cambridge?Mortimer said:
Honorary degrees are for those who don't have an actual one.Casino_Royale said:
Oxford's a complete dump.Alanbrooke said:
that assumes people from Oxford are clever. A lot of them are fkwits.matt said:
My wife was at university with Carswell. It's been quite a progression if he's now cleverer than somebody with a first from Oxford. To be clear, that's not to say he's stupid and like all politicians (well, if you exclude Balfour) he has confidence in his opinions and likes the sound of his voice, but the living reincarnation of AJP Taylor or, contextually, Gallagher and Robinson he is not.blackburn63 said:
Brilliant question from Douglas as usual.TheScreamingEagles said:Haha.
Poor Douglas Carswell gets slammed by Dave.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
You see Dave lovers, he's going nowhere, vote Leave with your conscience clear.
Douglas is far cleverer than Cameron and Dave knows it. He called Reckless "fat arse", he never dared abuse Douglas.
I suspect the different approaches taken to Carswell and Reckless should be seen in the context of their departures.
Never forget the bitter bastards there refused Thatcher an honorary degree purely because they disliked her politics.
Maggie didn't need one - she already had a degree from the best university in Europe.
I can see we're in for an afternoon of people waving their O Level certificates.
A friend of mine is a lurker on PB, and attended the dump that is Oxford. I wound him up over the Rhodes must fall campaign, and I said the wet lettuces of Oxford would give in.
So we had a bet, he said they wouldn't give in, and when he won that bet, I had to change my picture to a famous Cambridge graduate of his choosing.
I was expecting him to make me change my profile picture to Nick Clegg, he made me change it to Kim Philby.0 -
So, to clarify, you stand by your assertion that Cameron "slammed" Douglas today?TheScreamingEagles said:
The is UKIP we're dealing with.SimonStClare said:Carswell gets a question once in a blue moon and repeats someone elses question and gets the same answer. Brilliant?
Low bar for success. A bit like non competitive sports day, everyone's a winner.
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Could have been worse, at least it wasn't Andy BurnhamTheScreamingEagles said:
A few months ago, it got me onto trouble on PB.Alanbrooke said:
LOLTheScreamingEagles said:
Maggie went to Cambridge?Mortimer said:
Honorary degrees are for those who don't have an actual one.Casino_Royale said:
Oxford's a complete dump.Alanbrooke said:
that assumes people from Oxford are clever. A lot of them are fkwits.matt said:
My wife was at university with Carswell. It's been quite a progression if he's now cleverer than somebody with a first from Oxford. To be clear, that's not to say he's stupid and like all politicians (well, if you exclude Balfour) he has confidence in his opinions and likes the sound of his voice, but the living reincarnation of AJP Taylor or, contextually, Gallagher and Robinson he is not.blackburn63 said:
Brilliant question from Douglas as usual.TheScreamingEagles said:Haha.
Poor Douglas Carswell gets slammed by Dave.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
You see Dave lovers, he's going nowhere, vote Leave with your conscience clear.
Douglas is far cleverer than Cameron and Dave knows it. He called Reckless "fat arse", he never dared abuse Douglas.
I suspect the different approaches taken to Carswell and Reckless should be seen in the context of their departures.
Never forget the bitter bastards there refused Thatcher an honorary degree purely because they disliked her politics.
Maggie didn't need one - she already had a degree from the best university in Europe.
I can see we're in for an afternoon of people waving their O Level certificates.
A friend of mine is a lurker on PB, and attended the dump that is Oxford. I wound him up over the Rhodes must fall campaign, and I said the wet lettuces of Oxford would give in.
So we had a bet, he said they wouldn't give in, and when he won that bet, I had to change my picture to a famous Cambridge graduate of his choosing.
I was expecting him to make me change my profile picture to Nick Clegg, he made me change it to Kim Philby.0 -
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Given that the vast majority of those voting Leave are either confirmed fruitcakes or politically apathetic/ignorant*, I doubt the potential "cleverness" of Carswell's question will have little impact in helping Leave. If Cameron had said "No" or waffled, then that would surely be seized on by Leave campaigners as a "Vote Leave, Get Rid of Cameron" signal, because that is a much clearer and easier to sell message and would surely shift more votes their way, eg in stubbornly pro-EU areas like Scotland or the Welsh Valleys etc.blackburn63 said:
Brilliant question from Douglas as usual.TheScreamingEagles said:Haha.
Poor Douglas Carswell gets slammed by Dave.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
You see Dave lovers, he's going nowhere, vote Leave with your conscience clear.
Douglas is far cleverer than Cameron and Dave knows it. He called Reckless "fat arse", he never dared abuse Douglas.
One suspects "Leave" might need to do a bit of "Get Rid of Cameron" dog whistling by June time anyway...
(*I recognise many Leave supporters are vocal on here and are not (all) fruitcakes, and I myself have had to make a finely balanced decision myself as to which side i come down on, but this is a website for the politically aware and engaged - not your "average voter". My comment is not directed to you!)0 -
No, I was asking your 'evidence' for your statement. Of which you have none bar your own biases.blackburn63 said:
Ahhh, we're comparing qualifications again are we?JosiasJessop said:
"Douglas is far cleverer than Cameron"blackburn63 said:
Brilliant question from Douglas as usual.TheScreamingEagles said:Haha.
Poor Douglas Carswell gets slammed by Dave.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
You see Dave lovers, he's going nowhere, vote Leave with your conscience clear.
Douglas is far cleverer than Cameron and Dave knows it. He called Reckless "fat arse", he never dared abuse Douglas.
Do you have any evidence about that, aside from a rather unintelligent: "I agree with person A, therefore person A must be clever. I disagree with person B, therefore person B cannot be clever" ?
Checking on wiki, Carswell has an upper-class degree from the University of East Anglia, followed by a Masters in Imperial History at King's, London.
Cameron has a first from Oxford.
Cameron got three A's at A-level; I have not been able to quickly discover what Carswell got.
Unless you are really saying that Cameron could not have done a masters, there seems little evidence for their comparative cleverness.
Two friends from school, one went to Oxbridge, not up to much, the other left at 16, no qualifications at all, now a millionaire.
You see being "clever" involves using other criteria such as judgement. Carswell took a massive risk in his career two years ago, does that make him, clever, brave, ambitious, foolhardy, reckless, none/all of them?
Some people are presented with circumstances that are enormously beneficial, credit to them if they take advantage, but that doesn't make them "cleverer" than a MENSA member roadsweeper.
I have a rule of thumb, if sycophants suggest their hero has "slammed" somebody, I'd suggest the opposite has happen, there can be little doubt that Douglas left the house feeling very satisfied.
So you were bullsh*tting. Unsurprisingly.
"You see being "clever" involves using other criteria such as judgement."
I know this. But we can both make arguments to the cow comes home in favour, or against, both Carswell and Cameron. The only remotely non-subjective thing we can co on is qualifications.0 -
Who asked it first ? You never mentioned AN OtherTheScreamingEagles said:
The is UKIP we're dealing with.SimonStClare said:Carswell gets a question once in a blue moon and repeats someone elses question and gets the same answer. Brilliant?
Low bar for success. A bit like non competitive sports day, everyone's a winner.0 -
Andrew Lilico offers a suggestion
http://www.andrewlilico.com/2016/04/13/how-might-the-process-of-leaving-the-eu-work/0 -
I think Leave will have those three scalps if they win. The party seems to have fallen out of love with Osborne so moving him on is probably going to happen anyway and both Javid and Hammond are seen as traitors having been in the BOO camp for their whole careers they decided to toady up to their bosses instead of stand up for their own principles.TheScreamingEagles said:
Just imagine if Remain won, and Cameron promoted only Remainers and shunted the Leavers, you'd be fuming.Casino_Royale said:
Cameron resigning on Day 1 would wreck the markets and create turmoil.MarkHopkins said:Alanbrooke said:
So in other words Dave should go.Richard_Nabavi said:
That's what I suggest, by passing responsibility on to someone who believes in it. It would be like a company deciding on a risky new strategy: you want it implemented by someone who wants to do it, not someone who doesn't.Casino_Royale said:
Or you could back the patriotic decision of your fellow countrymen, and try your best to make it a success rather than sneer.Richard_Nabavi said:
Your forgot the bit in the middle, where he announces to the people "The Leave campaign have told you that there is no economic risk, that we don't need to be subject to EU freedom of movement, that new trade deals with the EU and dozens of other countries can be concluded very quickly, and that we'll be able to impose tariffs on imports we don't like. I look forward to seeing how well they do with that lot."TheScreamingEagles said:This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leave
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM
Cameron can stay and appt Gove as "Brexit Minister". That would satisfy many people.
I think he might annouce a timetable for a leadership campaign but in the meantime govern domestically, and globally as required, but delegate all discussion with the EU to a Brexit team led by Gove.
I'd like to see promotions for Leadsom (possibly to Chancellor), Gove to foreign secretary and Raab to Justice in such an eventuality, with perhaps Patel as Chief Sec. May could probably stay. Boris would need something (God knows what)
I think Hammond, Osborne and Javid would not be in a great place.
And you're forgetting that in the scenario the head of the Remain campaign (Dave) is still the most important person in the Cabinet, he is still the PM.0 -
Spot on. Whittingdale's value as a pro-tabloid influencer of Government media policy (even before becoming a Minister) outweighed his value as a target and sales boost. It's just business, nothing more.JackW said:
Perhaps the press thought that damaging an ally who was dragging his feet over Leverson was not in their own interest.FrancisUrquhart said:
That article makes a very good point....wittingdale's views were exactly the same 3-4 years ago as they are now, so why would the press be worried. It isn't as if he anti something, got into government & found he was the pro & that he had some connection to a load of lobby types.Scott_P said:@IanDunt: Hacked Off are now just as bad as those they campaign against https://t.co/PwoJRQabEC
However I'm sure there's a perfectly valid reason for the tabloids to spike the story that is entirely consistent with their previous form on such issues. I'm sure of it ..
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Missouri has weighed in for Trump on Betfair btw.0
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Put it away.TheScreamingEagles said:
Just imagine if Remain won, and Cameron promoted only Remainers and shunted the Leavers, you'd be fuming.Casino_Royale said:
Cameron resigning on Day 1 would wreck the markets and create turmoil.MarkHopkins said:Alanbrooke said:
So in other words Dave should go.Richard_Nabavi said:
That's what I suggest, by passing responsibility on to someone who believes in it. It would be like a company deciding on a risky new strategy: you want it implemented by someone who wants to do it, not someone who doesn't.Casino_Royale said:
Or you could back the patriotic decision of your fellow countrymen, and try your best to make it a success rather than sneer.Richard_Nabavi said:
Your forgot the bit in the middle, where he announces to the people "The Leave campaign have told you that there is no economic risk, that we don't need to be subject to EU freedom of movement, that new trade deals with the EU and dozens of other countries can be concluded very quickly, and that we'll be able to impose tariffs on imports we don't like. I look forward to seeing how well they do with that lot."TheScreamingEagles said:This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leave
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM
Cameron can stay and appt Gove as "Brexit Minister". That would satisfy many people.
I think he might annouce a timetable for a leadership campaign but in the meantime govern domestically, and globally as required, but delegate all discussion with the EU to a Brexit team led by Gove.
I'd like to see promotions for Leadsom (possibly to Chancellor), Gove to foreign secretary and Raab to Justice in such an eventuality, with perhaps Patel as Chief Sec. May could probably stay. Boris would need something (God knows what)
I think Hammond, Osborne and Javid would not be in a great place.
If Cameron stays as PM as a Remainer-in-chief he'd have to give his team a strong Brexit bias to demonstrate his negotiations were serious.
If a Leaver became PM then I'd expect a more balanced team, but still skewed to Leave because we will have voted Leave - just as the current cabinet is heavily skewed to Remain now.0 -
He makes some good points. A couple of things struck me as a bit odd, though:Plato_Says said:Andrew Lilico offers a suggestion
http://www.andrewlilico.com/2016/04/13/how-might-the-process-of-leaving-the-eu-work/
- Surely we wouldn't want the Brexit date to be close to a GE?
- I don't understand why he is so pessimistic about tariffs and non-tariff barriers for the car industry. I'd have thought that this would be one of the easiest areas for getting agreement on; it's in neither side's interest to disrupt the close supply-chain integration.
- Conversely, I think he's over-optimistic on the City in a deal which didn't include freedom of movement.0 -
I can see value in asking a question again if it's to underline a key point. With Leave decision due tomorrow, it may be this thinking.
I'd prefer something new from Douglas myself at this stage. When's Summer Recess?SimonStClare said:Carswell gets a question once in a blue moon and repeats someone elses question and gets the same answer. Brilliant?
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The 300 tax evasion staff figure comes from the number working in the Affluent Compliance Unit
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/hmrc-s-affluent-unit-recruits-100-new-inspectors0
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