Well, I think we can safely say the Labour Dirty Tricks Dept is well and truly up and running. Nothing to do with Damian McBride or Tom Watson I'm sure. It seems now that anyone can set the dogs running on a story by using the words, "well he/she may not have done anything wrong, but it's the PERCEPTION. I don't know where this is going but nobody in their right mind would want to go into politics.
2014 is two years ago: that's not a dead cat; it's a red herring.
It fits the chronology
Between August 2013 and February 2014, I had a relationship with someone who I first met through Match.com,” he said in a statement. “She was a similar age and lived close to me. At no time did she give me any indication of of her real occupation and I only discovered this when I was made aware that someone was trying to sell a story about me to tabloid newspapers.
Yes but the question is why was the dead cat hurled onto the table this week, not how did the press find out about it two years ago. Cui bono? It's not Labour.
If they are only trying to figure out what to do on 24th in the event of a Leave vote, they should all be sacked. Immediately.
Their job is to have contingency plans and implement them; wibble isn't the basis for paying a six figure salary
Contigency plans for the immediate fall-out, of course, and I'm sure they have (indeed Mark Carney said so). But it is ludicrous to suggest that government should have plans for the impossible; it's hardly Cameron's responsibility to resolve the humongous contradiction at the heart of the Leave case. Only someone on the Leave side can break the bad news to voters; if Cameron tried to do that, all the Leavers would be screaming 'Betrayal!'.
Except it's not impossible, theres a 30% chance of it according to the betting markets and probably higher if I listen to old scaredy knickers Lagarde.
So with a big pile of well doshed up advisers they should have scenarios and gameplans of what's best. That;s his job,
You as a company director have to do risk assessments for you business. Dave's team run a £2 trn business it's their job and if they can't do it they should make way for people who can.
This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leave
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM
Your forgot the bit in the middle, where he announces to the people "The Leave campaign have told you that there is no economic risk, that we don't need to be subject to EU freedom of movement, that new trade deals with the EU and dozens of other countries can be concluded very quickly, and that we'll be able to impose tariffs on imports we don't like. I look forward to seeing how well they do with that lot."
Or you could back the patriotic decision of your fellow countrymen, and try your best to make it a success rather than sneer.
If they are only trying to figure out what to do on 24th in the event of a Leave vote, they should all be sacked. Immediately.
Their job is to have contingency plans and implement them; wibble isn't the basis for paying a six figure salary
Contigency plans for the immediate fall-out, of course, and I'm sure they have (indeed Mark Carney said so). But it is ludicrous to suggest that government should have plans for the impossible; it's hardly Cameron's responsibility to resolve the humongous contradiction at the heart of the Leave case. Only someone on the Leave side can break the bad news to voters; if Cameron tried to do that, all the Leavers would be screaming 'Betrayal!'.
No doubt they'll end up screaming "betrayal" but there's a lot of money to be lost if you do these deals wrong. Are the Tory establishment really just going to step aside and let a bunch of crazy people handle it so they can say I told you so?
If they are only trying to figure out what to do on 24th in the event of a Leave vote, they should all be sacked. Immediately.
Their job is to have contingency plans and implement them; wibble isn't the basis for paying a six figure salary
Contigency plans for the immediate fall-out, of course, and I'm sure they have (indeed Mark Carney said so). But it is ludicrous to suggest that government should have plans for the impossible; it's hardly Cameron's responsibility to resolve the humongous contradiction at the heart of the Leave case. Only someone on the Leave side can break the bad news to voters; if Cameron tried to do that, all the Leavers would be screaming 'Betrayal!'.
No doubt they'll end up screaming "betrayal" but there's a lot of money to be lost if you do these deals wrong. Are the Tory establishment really just going to step aside and let a bunch of crazy people handle it so they can say I told you so?
I think top Tories know perfectly well what they'd do in the event of a Leave vote.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
Nope.
That was very clever from Carswell.
Cameron either had to say
Yes - which reassures a lot of Tories who would be concerned that voting Leave would risk them losing their very popular PM.
or No - which immediately opens him up to accusations of being scornful of the decision of the electorate and also gives Opposition parties the opportunity of claiming that a Leave vote will see the back of Cameron.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
I'd be surprised if Dave's position is politically tenable should we vote to leave, having invested so much capital into the "remain" campaign.
Agreed, although he might well stay on for a while to stabilise things while everyone figures out what on earth to do next.
This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leave
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM
9.02 am ritual harakiri live in Downing St
That's rather a foreign method, don't you think? A whisky and a revolver would be more British, though you might argue that 9.02 is a little early for a whisky whatever the circumstances.
This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leave
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM
Your forgot the bit in the middle, where he announces to the people "The Leave campaign have told you that there is no economic risk, that we don't need to be subject to EU freedom of movement, that new trade deals with the EU and dozens of other countries can be concluded very quickly, and that we'll be able to impose tariffs on imports we don't like. I look forward to seeing how well they do with that lot."
Or you could back the patriotic decision of your fellow countrymen, and try your best to make it a success rather than sneer.
That's what I suggest, by passing responsibility on to someone who believes in it. It would be like a company deciding on a risky new strategy: you want it implemented by someone who wants to do it, not someone who doesn't.
This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leave
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM
Your forgot the bit in the middle, where he announces to the people "The Leave campaign have told you that there is no economic risk, that we don't need to be subject to EU freedom of movement, that new trade deals with the EU and dozens of other countries can be concluded very quickly, and that we'll be able to impose tariffs on imports we don't like. I look forward to seeing how well they do with that lot."
Or you could back the patriotic decision of your fellow countrymen, and try your best to make it a success rather than sneer.
That's what I suggest, by passing responsibility on to someone who believes in it. It would be like a company deciding on a risky new strategy: you want it implemented by someone who wants to do it, not someone who doesn't.
This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leave
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM
Your forgot the bit in the middle, where he announces to the people "The Leave campaign have told you that there is no economic risk, that we don't need to be subject to EU freedom of movement, that new trade deals with the EU and dozens of other countries can be concluded very quickly, and that we'll be able to impose tariffs on imports we don't like. I look forward to seeing how well they do with that lot."
Or you could back the patriotic decision of your fellow countrymen, and try your best to make it a success rather than sneer.
That's what I suggest, by passing responsibility on to someone who believes in it. It would be like a company deciding on a risky new strategy: you want it implemented by someone who wants to do it, not someone who doesn't.
So in other words Dave should go.
In the event of a Leave result, yes, that would be my view. The only proviso I'd make is that he should stay on for a while to stabilise things until the party, parliament and the country have considered what we're actually trying to go for.
This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leave
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM
Your forgot the bit in the middle, where he announces to the people "The Leave campaign have told you that there is no economic risk, that we don't need to be subject to EU freedom of movement, that new trade deals with the EU and dozens of other countries can be concluded very quickly, and that we'll be able to impose tariffs on imports we don't like. I look forward to seeing how well they do with that lot."
Or you could back the patriotic decision of your fellow countrymen, and try your best to make it a success rather than sneer.
That's what I suggest, by passing responsibility on to someone who believes in it. It would be like a company deciding on a risky new strategy: you want it implemented by someone who wants to do it, not someone who doesn't.
So in other words Dave should go.
Cameron can stay and appt Gove as "Brexit Minister". That would satisfy many people.
This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leave
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM
Your forgot the bit in the middle, where he announces to the people "The Leave campaign have told you that there is no economic risk, that we don't need to be subject to EU freedom of movement, that new trade deals with the EU and dozens of other countries can be concluded very quickly, and that we'll be able to impose tariffs on imports we don't like. I look forward to seeing how well they do with that lot."
Or you could back the patriotic decision of your fellow countrymen, and try your best to make it a success rather than sneer.
That's what I suggest, by passing responsibility on to someone who believes in it. It would be like a company deciding on a risky new strategy: you want it implemented by someone who wants to do it, not someone who doesn't.
So in other words Dave should go.
In the event of a Leave result, yes, that would be my view. The only proviso I'd make is that he should stay on for a while to stabilise things until the party, parliament and the country have considered what we're actually trying to go for.
well thanks for that, it's the first straight answer Ive seen from a remainer in quite some time.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
Brilliant question from Douglas as usual.
You see Dave lovers, he's going nowhere, vote Leave with your conscience clear.
Douglas is far cleverer than Cameron and Dave knows it. He called Reckless "fat arse", he never dared abuse Douglas.
It's not entirely down to Dave though, is it?
Of course it is, 100% it is his decision. He was democratically elected PM, only he can decide when to resign.
Nope, 15% of Tory MPs can help trigger a vote of confidence in Dave.
So would only take 166 MPs to force him out.
Do you really think 165 MPs will force DC out of Office bearing in mind he has substantial membership support
Tory party leaders always have substantial membership support. It won't matter for MPs. In any case, as Cameron's going later this parliament whatever, what's a couple of years between friends? It's not as if the membership would know *which* MPs voted for him to go. Besides, I'm far from convinced that Cameron has enthusiastic membership support.
I cannot conceive that David Cameron would want to stay in office having lost all authority after a Leave vote. Every concession in the negotiations with the EU would be laid at his door as a betrayal of the public vote by a raging EUROPHILE. Far better to throw the car keys of the Batmobile at a new caped crusader.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
Brilliant question from Douglas as usual.
You see Dave lovers, he's going nowhere, vote Leave with your conscience clear.
Douglas is far cleverer than Cameron and Dave knows it. He called Reckless "fat arse", he never dared abuse Douglas.
My wife was at university with Carswell. It's been quite a progression if he's now cleverer than somebody with a first from Oxford. To be clear, that's not to say he's stupid and like all politicians (well, if you exclude Balfour) he has confidence in his opinions and likes the sound of his voice, but the living reincarnation of AJP Taylor or, contextually, Gallagher and Robinson he is not.
I suspect the different approaches taken to Carswell and Reckless should be seen in the context of their departures.
This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leave
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM
Your forgot the bit in the middle, where he announces to the people "The Leave campaign have told you that there is no economic risk, that we don't need to be subject to EU freedom of movement, that new trade deals with the EU and dozens of other countries can be concluded very quickly, and that we'll be able to impose tariffs on imports we don't like. I look forward to seeing how well they do with that lot."
Or you could back the patriotic decision of your fellow countrymen, and try your best to make it a success rather than sneer.
That's what I suggest, by passing responsibility on to someone who believes in it. It would be like a company deciding on a risky new strategy: you want it implemented by someone who wants to do it, not someone who doesn't.
I think David Cameron is a great asset to our party, and don't want him to go. He has (fairly shamelessly) done complete 180 degree turns in the past and it's perfectly possible he could so again on the EU. I am willing to keep an open mind, and be convinced he could do so on Brexit as well, and radically rejig his team to lead us Out.
However, my view of whether he has the appetite for it, or not, whether he could continue to carry the balance of the party with him, or not, or whether he might depart the premiership earlier than he might ideally have liked to, or not, will have no bearing whatsoever on my EU vote.
I might be disappointed and a bit upset about it, but this is about the future of the country and is bigger than one man, no matter how big that man is.
This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leave
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM
Your forgot the bit in the middle, where he announces to the people "The Leave campaign have told you that there is no economic risk, that we don't need to be subject to EU freedom of movement, that new trade deals with the EU and dozens of other countries can be concluded very quickly, and that we'll be able to impose tariffs on imports we don't like. I look forward to seeing how well they do with that lot."
Or you could back the patriotic decision of your fellow countrymen, and try your best to make it a success rather than sneer.
That's what I suggest, by passing responsibility on to someone who believes in it. It would be like a company deciding on a risky new strategy: you want it implemented by someone who wants to do it, not someone who doesn't.
So in other words Dave should go.
In the event of a Leave result, yes, that would be my view. The only proviso I'd make is that he should stay on for a while to stabilise things until the party, parliament and the country have considered what we're actually trying to go for.
This is something which is holding me back from voting Leave, actually. Will we actually get a say in what exactly comes after we leave?
As much as Boris's "second referendum" idea was mocked, for me personally it would reassure me a bit: I want to be given a menu of different Brexit options to choose from, I don't have faith that my vote to Leave will be interpreted by the Tory rightwingers in the way I want it to be.
This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leave
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM
Your forgot the bit in the middle, where he announces to the people "The Leave campaign have told you that there is no economic risk, that we don't need to be subject to EU freedom of movement, that new trade deals with the EU and dozens of other countries can be concluded very quickly, and that we'll be able to impose tariffs on imports we don't like. I look forward to seeing how well they do with that lot."
Or you could back the patriotic decision of your fellow countrymen, and try your best to make it a success rather than sneer.
That's what I suggest, by passing responsibility on to someone who believes in it. It would be like a company deciding on a risky new strategy: you want it implemented by someone who wants to do it, not someone who doesn't.
So in other words Dave should go.
In the event of a Leave result, yes, that would be my view. The only proviso I'd make is that he should stay on for a while to stabilise things until the party, parliament and the country have considered what we're actually trying to go for.
This is something which is holding me back from voting Leave, actually. Will we actually get a say in what exactly comes after we leave?
As much as Boris's "second referendum" idea was mocked, for me personally it would reassure me a bit: I want to be given a menu of different Brexit options to choose from, I don't have faith that my vote to Leave will be interpreted by the Tory rightwingers in the way I want it to be.
The second referendum needs to include remaining a member along with the various Leave options so that we could decide by AV.
My admiration for Douglas has grown, he gets to ask few questions and can't afford to waste them. Today he reassured those wearing Dave pom poms that he'll be around in the event of Leave.
Dan Hodges @DPJHodges 16h16 hours ago Zack Goldsmith is a genuinely nice guy. But there's no avoiding it. His campaign has descended into base, Islamophobic dog-whistling.
Zac's got a chance then.
Hodges is being silly. If any question of a Muslim standing for office becomes labelled as Islamophobic dog-whistling then we have reached a very poor and dangerous situation. Anyone standing for office should be prepared to answer questions relating to their fitness for that office and their policies once in office.
Given that:-
1. Khan himself has raised the issue of his religion as a point in his favour; 2. There is evidence of him speaking at and associating with people who are extremists; 3. We are living at a time when we are at high risk of terrorism, some of it justified by the very people Khan has associated with; and 4. Khan has made a point of saying that he will challenge Islamic extremists;
it is perfectly legitimate to ask him about his associations, query his judgment and ask him how he will implement his policy of challenging extremists.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
Brilliant question from Douglas as usual.
You see Dave lovers, he's going nowhere, vote Leave with your conscience clear.
Douglas is far cleverer than Cameron and Dave knows it. He called Reckless "fat arse", he never dared abuse Douglas.
My wife was at university with Carswell. It's been quite a progression if he's now cleverer than somebody with a first from Oxford. To be clear, that's not to say he's stupid and like all politicians (well, if you exclude Balfour) he has confidence in his opinions and likes the sound of his voice, but the living reincarnation of AJP Taylor or, contextually, Gallagher and Robinson he is not.
I suspect the different approaches taken to Carswell and Reckless should be seen in the context of their departures.
that assumes people from Oxford are clever. A lot of them are fkwits.
This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leave
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM
Your forgot the bit in the middle, where he announces to the people "The Leave campaign have told you that there is no economic risk, that we don't need to be subject to EU freedom of movement, that new trade deals with the EU and dozens of other countries can be concluded very quickly, and that we'll be able to impose tariffs on imports we don't like. I look forward to seeing how well they do with that lot."
Or you could back the patriotic decision of your fellow countrymen, and try your best to make it a success rather than sneer.
That's what I suggest, by passing responsibility on to someone who believes in it. It would be like a company deciding on a risky new strategy: you want it implemented by someone who wants to do it, not someone who doesn't.
So in other words Dave should go.
Cameron can stay and appt Gove as "Brexit Minister". That would satisfy many people.
I would love to see Cameron buck the trend and stay on. It is the reason I am so dismayed by his behaviour so far in the campaign as he seems intent on burning bridges.
This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leave
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM
Your forgot the bit in the middle, where he announces to the people "The Leave campaign have told you that there is no economic risk, that we don't need to be subject to EU freedom of movement, that new trade deals with the EU and dozens of other countries can be concluded very quickly, and that we'll be able to impose tariffs on imports we don't like. I look forward to seeing how well they do with that lot."
Or you could back the patriotic decision of your fellow countrymen, and try your best to make it a success rather than sneer.
That's what I suggest, by passing responsibility on to someone who believes in it. It would be like a company deciding on a risky new strategy: you want it implemented by someone who wants to do it, not someone who doesn't.
Michael Gove believes in Brexit and is a safe enough pair of hands. I expect he'd get George's blessing too (Their meeting makes a tremendous amount of sense when you think about it).
Who would be the other person in the race though ?
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
Brilliant question from Douglas as usual.
You see Dave lovers, he's going nowhere, vote Leave with your conscience clear.
Douglas is far cleverer than Cameron and Dave knows it. He called Reckless "fat arse", he never dared abuse Douglas.
It's not entirely down to Dave though, is it?
Of course it is, 100% it is his decision. He was democratically elected PM, only he can decide when to resign.
Nope, 15% of Tory MPs can help trigger a vote of confidence in Dave.
So would only take 166 MPs to force him out.
Yes, but falling short of a simple majority might well be enough to force him out.
If 130MPs voted no confidence in his leadership (including a majority of the backbenches) with 20 or so abstentions, I think he'd be forced to resign.
Cameron needs to tread carefully not with the hardcore of 30-40 MPs who'd probably always vote against him, but the other hundred on top who might not but are also Brexiteers.
This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leave
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM
Your forgot the bit in the middle, where he announces to the people "The Leave campaign have told you that there is no economic risk, that we don't need to be subject to EU freedom of movement, that new trade deals with the EU and dozens of other countries can be concluded very quickly, and that we'll be able to impose tariffs on imports we don't like. I look forward to seeing how well they do with that lot."
Or you could back the patriotic decision of your fellow countrymen, and try your best to make it a success rather than sneer.
That's what I suggest, by passing responsibility on to someone who believes in it. It would be like a company deciding on a risky new strategy: you want it implemented by someone who wants to do it, not someone who doesn't.
Michael Gove believes in Brexit and is a safe enough pair of hands. I expect he'd get George's blessing too (Their meeting makes a tremendous amount of sense when you think about it).
Who would be the other person in the race though ?
We can rule out Osborne at this point.
If the Conservative party intends to lose the next election, Gove would be an ideal choice.
This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leave
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM
Your forgot the bit in the middle, where he announces to the people "The Leave campaign have told you that there is no economic risk, that we don't need to be subject to EU freedom of movement, that new trade deals with the EU and dozens of other countries can be concluded very quickly, and that we'll be able to impose tariffs on imports we don't like. I look forward to seeing how well they do with that lot."
Or you could back the patriotic decision of your fellow countrymen, and try your best to make it a success rather than sneer.
That's what I suggest, by passing responsibility on to someone who believes in it. It would be like a company deciding on a risky new strategy: you want it implemented by someone who wants to do it, not someone who doesn't.
So in other words Dave should go.
Cameron can stay and appt Gove as "Brexit Minister". That would satisfy many people.
This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leave
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM
Your forgot the bit in the middle, where he announces to the people "The Leave campaign have told you that there is no economic risk, that we don't need to be subject to EU freedom of movement, that new trade deals with the EU and dozens of other countries can be concluded very quickly, and that we'll be able to impose tariffs on imports we don't like. I look forward to seeing how well they do with that lot."
Or you could back the patriotic decision of your fellow countrymen, and try your best to make it a success rather than sneer.
That's what I suggest, by passing responsibility on to someone who believes in it. It would be like a company deciding on a risky new strategy: you want it implemented by someone who wants to do it, not someone who doesn't.
So in other words Dave should go.
Cameron can stay and appt Gove as "Brexit Minister". That would satisfy many people.
I would love to see Cameron buck the trend and stay on. It is the reason I am so dismayed by his behaviour so far in the campaign as he seems intent on burning bridges.
He is certainly "all in" on the referendum which is a crazy situation. In fact I'd go as far to say he's all in blind.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
Brilliant question from Douglas as usual.
You see Dave lovers, he's going nowhere, vote Leave with your conscience clear.
Douglas is far cleverer than Cameron and Dave knows it. He called Reckless "fat arse", he never dared abuse Douglas.
"Douglas is far cleverer than Cameron"
Do you have any evidence about that, aside from a rather unintelligent: "I agree with person A, therefore person A must be clever. I disagree with person B, therefore person B cannot be clever" ?
Checking on wiki, Carswell has an upper-class degree from the University of East Anglia, followed by a Masters in Imperial History at King's, London.
Cameron has a first from Oxford.
Cameron got three A's at A-level; I have not been able to quickly discover what Carswell got.
Unless you are really saying that Cameron could not have done a masters, there seems little evidence for their comparative cleverness.
This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leave
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM
Your forgot the bit in the middle, where he announces to the people "The Leave campaign have told you that there is no economic risk, that we don't need to be subject to EU freedom of movement, that new trade deals with the EU and dozens of other countries can be concluded very quickly, and that we'll be able to impose tariffs on imports we don't like. I look forward to seeing how well they do with that lot."
Or you could back the patriotic decision of your fellow countrymen, and try your best to make it a success rather than sneer.
That's what I suggest, by passing responsibility on to someone who believes in it. It would be like a company deciding on a risky new strategy: you want it implemented by someone who wants to do it, not someone who doesn't.
So in other words Dave should go.
Cameron can stay and appt Gove as "Brexit Minister". That would satisfy many people.
Cameron resigning on Day 1 would wreck the markets and create turmoil.
I think he might annouce a timetable for a leadership campaign but in the meantime govern domestically, and globally as required, but delegate all discussion with the EU to a Brexit team led by Gove.
I'd like to see promotions for Leadsom (possibly to Chancellor), Gove to foreign secretary and Raab to Justice in such an eventuality, with perhaps Patel as Chief Sec. May could probably stay. Boris would need something (God knows what)
I think Hammond, Osborne and Javid would not be in a great place.
This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leave
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM
Your forgot the bit in the middle, where he announces to the people "The Leave campaign have told you that there is no economic risk, that we don't need to be subject to EU freedom of movement, that new trade deals with the EU and dozens of other countries can be concluded very quickly, and that we'll be able to impose tariffs on imports we don't like. I look forward to seeing how well they do with that lot."
Or you could back the patriotic decision of your fellow countrymen, and try your best to make it a success rather than sneer.
That's what I suggest, by passing responsibility on to someone who believes in it. It would be like a company deciding on a risky new strategy: you want it implemented by someone who wants to do it, not someone who doesn't.
So in other words Dave should go.
Cameron can stay and appt Gove as "Brexit Minister". That would satisfy many people.
I would love to see Cameron buck the trend and stay on. It is the reason I am so dismayed by his behaviour so far in the campaign as he seems intent on burning bridges.
He is certainly "all in" on the referendum which is a crazy situation. In fact I'd go as far to say he's all in blind.
This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leave
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM
Your forgot the bit in the middle, where he announces to the people "The Leave campaign have told you that there is no economic risk, that we don't need to be subject to EU freedom of movement, that new trade deals with the EU and dozens of other countries can be concluded very quickly, and that we'll be able to impose tariffs on imports we don't like. I look forward to seeing how well they do with that lot."
Or you could back the patriotic decision of your fellow countrymen, and try your best to make it a success rather than sneer.
That's what I suggest, by passing responsibility on to someone who believes in it. It would be like a company deciding on a risky new strategy: you want it implemented by someone who wants to do it, not someone who doesn't.
So in other words Dave should go.
Cameron can stay and appt Gove as "Brexit Minister". That would satisfy many people.
I would love to see Cameron buck the trend and stay on. It is the reason I am so dismayed by his behaviour so far in the campaign as he seems intent on burning bridges.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
Brilliant question from Douglas as usual.
You see Dave lovers, he's going nowhere, vote Leave with your conscience clear.
Douglas is far cleverer than Cameron and Dave knows it. He called Reckless "fat arse", he never dared abuse Douglas.
My wife was at university with Carswell. It's been quite a progression if he's now cleverer than somebody with a first from Oxford. To be clear, that's not to say he's stupid and like all politicians (well, if you exclude Balfour) he has confidence in his opinions and likes the sound of his voice, but the living reincarnation of AJP Taylor or, contextually, Gallagher and Robinson he is not.
I suspect the different approaches taken to Carswell and Reckless should be seen in the context of their departures.
that assumes people from Oxford are clever. A lot of them are fkwits.
Oxford's a complete dump.
Never forget the bitter bastards there refused Thatcher an honorary degree purely because they disliked her politics.
This is something which is holding me back from voting Leave, actually. Will we actually get a say in what exactly comes after we leave?
As much as Boris's "second referendum" idea was mocked, for me personally it would reassure me a bit: I want to be given a menu of different Brexit options to choose from, I don't have faith that my vote to Leave will be interpreted by the Tory rightwingers in the way I want it to be.
My personal view is that it is actually quite clear: a vote for Leave would unambiguously be a vote for a deal which did not include freedom of movement, so the job of the negotiators would be to try to secure the best deal possible given that constraint. My reasoning is very simple: both Leave campaigns have put 'control of our borders' as a top reason for leaving, and all the polling as well as anecdotal evidence suggests it's a key, perhaps the most important, motivation for people to vote Leave. I can't see how any government could turn round and say 'well, suckers, you may have thought you were voting for an end to unrestricted EU immigration but you were had: we're signing straight back into it."
If Corbyn had any political nous, he would challenge Cameron in Parliament to back Goldsmith's racist nonsense about Khan "giving cover to extremists".
Either Cameron would say yes, in which case his reputation as a non-racist "moderniser" and "nice guy" would be damaged.
Or he would say no or decline to answer, in which case Khan would be able to throw "even your party leader doesn't agree with you" whenever Goldsmith trotted out that line.
Do you think it entirely sensible for Corbyn to give Cameron another opportunity to point out Corbyn's associations with extremists and terrorists?
Whittingdale is an odious right-wing ideologue who could potentially do a a lot of damage to the BBC, one of this country's greatest and most loved institutions.
However, the fact he dated a hooker is of no relevance. Move along please...
This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leave
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM
Your forgot the bit in the middle, where he announces to the people "The Leave campaign have told you that there is no economic risk, that we don't need to be subject to EU freedom of movement, that new trade deals with the EU and dozens of other countries can be concluded very quickly, and that we'll be able to impose tariffs on imports we don't like. I look forward to seeing how well they do with that lot."
Or you could back the patriotic decision of your fellow countrymen, and try your best to make it a success rather than sneer.
That's what I suggest, by passing responsibility on to someone who believes in it. It would be like a company deciding on a risky new strategy: you want it implemented by someone who wants to do it, not someone who doesn't.
So in other words Dave should go.
Cameron can stay and appt Gove as "Brexit Minister". That would satisfy many people.
Cameron resigning on Day 1 would wreck the markets and create turmoil.
I think he might annouce a timetable for a leadership campaign but in the meantime govern domestically, and globally as required, but delegate all discussion with the EU to a Brexit team led by Gove.
I'd like to see promotions for Leadsom (possibly to Chancellor), Gove to foreign secretary and Raab to Justice in such an eventuality, with perhaps Patel as Chief Sec. May could probably stay. Boris would need something (God knows what)
I think Hammond, Osborne and Javid would not be in a great place.
It all depends by the margin by which leave wins. If leave wins by a large amount Cameron might be under intolerable pressure to resign immediately.
If it is very close - say less than 5% in it - then leavers hope of holding all the cards as you detail above might be a little premature.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
Brilliant question from Douglas as usual.
You see Dave lovers, he's going nowhere, vote Leave with your conscience clear.
Douglas is far cleverer than Cameron and Dave knows it. He called Reckless "fat arse", he never dared abuse Douglas.
My wife was at university with Carswell. It's been quite a progression if he's now cleverer than somebody with a first from Oxford. To be clear, that's not to say he's stupid and like all politicians (well, if you exclude Balfour) he has confidence in his opinions and likes the sound of his voice, but the living reincarnation of AJP Taylor or, contextually, Gallagher and Robinson he is not.
I suspect the different approaches taken to Carswell and Reckless should be seen in the context of their departures.
that assumes people from Oxford are clever. A lot of them are fkwits.
Oxford's a complete dump.
Never forget the bitter bastards there refused Thatcher an honorary degree purely because they disliked her politics.
Honorary degrees are for those who don't have an actual one.
Maggie didn't need one - she already had a degree from the best university in Europe.
This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leave
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM
Your forgot the bit in the middle, where he announces to the people "The Leave campaign have told you that there is no economic risk, that we don't need to be subject to EU freedom of movement, that new trade deals with the EU and dozens of other countries can be concluded very quickly, and that we'll be able to impose tariffs on imports we don't like. I look forward to seeing how well they do with that lot."
Or you could back the patriotic decision of your fellow countrymen, and try your best to make it a success rather than sneer.
That's what I suggest, by passing responsibility on to someone who believes in it. It would be like a company deciding on a risky new strategy: you want it implemented by someone who wants to do it, not someone who doesn't.
So in other words Dave should go.
Cameron can stay and appt Gove as "Brexit Minister". That would satisfy many people.
Cameron resigning on Day 1 would wreck the markets and create turmoil.
I think he might annouce a timetable for a leadership campaign but in the meantime govern domestically, and globally as required, but delegate all discussion with the EU to a Brexit team led by Gove.
I'd like to see promotions for Leadsom (possibly to Chancellor), Gove to foreign secretary and Raab to Justice in such an eventuality, with perhaps Patel as Chief Sec. May could probably stay. Boris would need something (God knows what)
I think Hammond, Osborne and Javid would not be in a great place.
Just imagine if Remain won, and Cameron promoted only Remainers and shunted the Leavers, you'd be fuming.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
Brilliant question from Douglas as usual.
You see Dave lovers, he's going nowhere, vote Leave with your conscience clear.
Douglas is far cleverer than Cameron and Dave knows it. He called Reckless "fat arse", he never dared abuse Douglas.
"Douglas is far cleverer than Cameron"
Do you have any evidence about that, aside from a rather unintelligent: "I agree with person A, therefore person A must be clever. I disagree with person B, therefore person B cannot be clever" ?
Checking on wiki, Carswell has an upper-class degree from the University of East Anglia, followed by a Masters in Imperial History at King's, London.
Cameron has a first from Oxford.
Cameron got three A's at A-level; I have not been able to quickly discover what Carswell got.
Unless you are really saying that Cameron could not have done a masters, there seems little evidence for their comparative cleverness.
Ahhh, we're comparing qualifications again are we?
Two friends from school, one went to Oxbridge, not up to much, the other left at 16, no qualifications at all, now a millionaire.
You see being "clever" involves using other criteria such as judgement. Carswell took a massive risk in his career two years ago, does that make him, clever, brave, ambitious, foolhardy, reckless, none/all of them?
Some people are presented with circumstances that are enormously beneficial, credit to them if they take advantage, but that doesn't make them "cleverer" than a MENSA member roadsweeper.
I have a rule of thumb, if sycophants suggest their hero has "slammed" somebody, I'd suggest the opposite has happen, there can be little doubt that Douglas left the house feeling very satisfied.
Whittingdale is an odious right-wing ideologue who could potentially do a a lot of damage to the BBC, one of this country's greatest and most loved institutions.
However, the fact he dated a hooker is of no relevance. Move along please...
Point of order: the belief that something is "one of this country's greatest and most loved institutions" does not make it immune to change or criticism. For instance, I'd say they've got away with the Saville and other scandals where they should have been absolutely spanked.
The BBC's belief - and that of its supporters - in its superiority does no-one any good, least of all the BBC itself.
Edit: BTW, your criticism of Whittingdale is odd, considering he might have saved the BBC by allowing them to charge for iPlayer. IMO this is a deeply regressive and negative move. But it might have saved the BBC's bacon in the long term.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
Brilliant question from Douglas as usual.
You see Dave lovers, he's going nowhere, vote Leave with your conscience clear.
Douglas is far cleverer than Cameron and Dave knows it. He called Reckless "fat arse", he never dared abuse Douglas.
My wife was at university with Carswell. It's been quite a progression if he's now cleverer than somebody with a first from Oxford. To be clear, that's not to say he's stupid and like all politicians (well, if you exclude Balfour) he has confidence in his opinions and likes the sound of his voice, but the living reincarnation of AJP Taylor or, contextually, Gallagher and Robinson he is not.
I suspect the different approaches taken to Carswell and Reckless should be seen in the context of their departures.
that assumes people from Oxford are clever. A lot of them are fkwits.
Oxford's a complete dump.
Never forget the bitter bastards there refused Thatcher an honorary degree purely because they disliked her politics.
Honorary degrees are for those who don't have an actual one.
Maggie didn't need one - she already had a degree from the best university in Europe.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
Brilliant question from Douglas as usual.
You see Dave lovers, he's going nowhere, vote Leave with your conscience clear.
Douglas is far cleverer than Cameron and Dave knows it. He called Reckless "fat arse", he never dared abuse Douglas.
My wife was at university with Carswell. It's been quite a progression if he's now cleverer than somebody with a first from Oxford. To be clear, that's not to say he's stupid and like all politicians (well, if you exclude Balfour) he has confidence in his opinions and likes the sound of his voice, but the living reincarnation of AJP Taylor or, contextually, Gallagher and Robinson he is not.
I suspect the different approaches taken to Carswell and Reckless should be seen in the context of their departures.
that assumes people from Oxford are clever. A lot of them are fkwits.
Oxford's a complete dump.
Never forget the bitter bastards there refused Thatcher an honorary degree purely because they disliked her politics.
Honorary degrees are for those who don't have an actual one.
Maggie didn't need one - she already had a degree from the best university in Europe.
Maggie went to Cambridge?
LOL
I can see we're in for an afternoon of people waving their O Level certificates.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
Brilliant question from Douglas as usual.
You see Dave lovers, he's going nowhere, vote Leave with your conscience clear.
Douglas is far cleverer than Cameron and Dave knows it. He called Reckless "fat arse", he never dared abuse Douglas.
My wife was at university with Carswell. It's been quite a progression if he's now cleverer than somebody with a first from Oxford. To be clear, that's not to say he's stupid and like all politicians (well, if you exclude Balfour) he has confidence in his opinions and likes the sound of his voice, but the living reincarnation of AJP Taylor or, contextually, Gallagher and Robinson he is not.
I suspect the different approaches taken to Carswell and Reckless should be seen in the context of their departures.
that assumes people from Oxford are clever. A lot of them are fkwits.
Oxford's a complete dump.
Never forget the bitter bastards there refused Thatcher an honorary degree purely because they disliked her politics.
Honorary degrees are for those who don't have an actual one.
Maggie didn't need one - she already had a degree from the best university in Europe.
Maggie went to Cambridge?
You clearly have not seen the Mortimer university rankings:
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
Brilliant question from Douglas as usual.
You see Dave lovers, he's going nowhere, vote Leave with your conscience clear.
Douglas is far cleverer than Cameron and Dave knows it. He called Reckless "fat arse", he never dared abuse Douglas.
My wife was at university with Carswell. It's been quite a progression if he's now cleverer than somebody with a first from Oxford. To be clear, that's not to say he's stupid and like all politicians (well, if you exclude Balfour) he has confidence in his opinions and likes the sound of his voice, but the living reincarnation of AJP Taylor or, contextually, Gallagher and Robinson he is not.
I suspect the different approaches taken to Carswell and Reckless should be seen in the context of their departures.
that assumes people from Oxford are clever. A lot of them are fkwits.
Oxford's a complete dump.
Never forget the bitter bastards there refused Thatcher an honorary degree purely because they disliked her politics.
Honorary degrees are for those who don't have an actual one.
Maggie didn't need one - she already had a degree from the best university in Europe.
Maggie went to Cambridge?
You clearly have not seen the Mortimer university rankings:
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
Brilliant question from Douglas as usual.
You see Dave lovers, he's going nowhere, vote Leave with your conscience clear.
Douglas is far cleverer than Cameron and Dave knows it. He called Reckless "fat arse", he never dared abuse Douglas.
My wife was at university with Carswell. It's been quite a progression if he's now cleverer than somebody with a first from Oxford. To be clear, that's not to say he's stupid and like all politicians (well, if you exclude Balfour) he has confidence in his opinions and likes the sound of his voice, but the living reincarnation of AJP Taylor or, contextually, Gallagher and Robinson he is not.
I suspect the different approaches taken to Carswell and Reckless should be seen in the context of their departures.
that assumes people from Oxford are clever. A lot of them are fkwits.
Oxford's a complete dump.
Never forget the bitter bastards there refused Thatcher an honorary degree purely because they disliked her politics.
Honorary degrees are for those who don't have an actual one.
Maggie didn't need one - she already had a degree from the best university in Europe.
Maggie went to Cambridge?
LOL
I can see we're in for an afternoon of people waving their O Level certificates.
A few months ago, it got me onto trouble on PB.
A friend of mine is a lurker on PB, and attended the dump that is Oxford. I wound him up over the Rhodes must fall campaign, and I said the wet lettuces of Oxford would give in.
So we had a bet, he said they wouldn't give in, and when he won that bet, I had to change my picture to a famous Cambridge graduate of his choosing.
I was expecting him to make me change my profile picture to Nick Clegg, he made me change it to Kim Philby.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
Brilliant question from Douglas as usual.
You see Dave lovers, he's going nowhere, vote Leave with your conscience clear.
Douglas is far cleverer than Cameron and Dave knows it. He called Reckless "fat arse", he never dared abuse Douglas.
My wife was at university with Carswell. It's been quite a progression if he's now cleverer than somebody with a first from Oxford. To be clear, that's not to say he's stupid and like all politicians (well, if you exclude Balfour) he has confidence in his opinions and likes the sound of his voice, but the living reincarnation of AJP Taylor or, contextually, Gallagher and Robinson he is not.
I suspect the different approaches taken to Carswell and Reckless should be seen in the context of their departures.
that assumes people from Oxford are clever. A lot of them are fkwits.
Oxford's a complete dump.
Never forget the bitter bastards there refused Thatcher an honorary degree purely because they disliked her politics.
Honorary degrees are for those who don't have an actual one.
Maggie didn't need one - she already had a degree from the best university in Europe.
Maggie went to Cambridge?
LOL
I can see we're in for an afternoon of people waving their O Level certificates.
A few months ago, it got me onto trouble on PB.
A friend of mine is a lurker on PB, and attended the dump that is Oxford. I wound him up over the Rhodes must fall campaign, and I said the wet lettuces of Oxford would give in.
So we had a bet, he said they wouldn't give in, and when he won that bet, I had to change my picture to a famous Cambridge graduate of his choosing.
I was expecting him to make me change my profile picture to Nick Clegg, he made me change it to Kim Philby.
Could have been worse, at least it wasn't Andy Burnham
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
Brilliant question from Douglas as usual.
You see Dave lovers, he's going nowhere, vote Leave with your conscience clear.
Douglas is far cleverer than Cameron and Dave knows it. He called Reckless "fat arse", he never dared abuse Douglas.
Given that the vast majority of those voting Leave are either confirmed fruitcakes or politically apathetic/ignorant*, I doubt the potential "cleverness" of Carswell's question will have little impact in helping Leave. If Cameron had said "No" or waffled, then that would surely be seized on by Leave campaigners as a "Vote Leave, Get Rid of Cameron" signal, because that is a much clearer and easier to sell message and would surely shift more votes their way, eg in stubbornly pro-EU areas like Scotland or the Welsh Valleys etc.
One suspects "Leave" might need to do a bit of "Get Rid of Cameron" dog whistling by June time anyway...
(*I recognise many Leave supporters are vocal on here and are not (all) fruitcakes, and I myself have had to make a finely balanced decision myself as to which side i come down on, but this is a website for the politically aware and engaged - not your "average voter". My comment is not directed to you!)
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
Brilliant question from Douglas as usual.
You see Dave lovers, he's going nowhere, vote Leave with your conscience clear.
Douglas is far cleverer than Cameron and Dave knows it. He called Reckless "fat arse", he never dared abuse Douglas.
"Douglas is far cleverer than Cameron"
Do you have any evidence about that, aside from a rather unintelligent: "I agree with person A, therefore person A must be clever. I disagree with person B, therefore person B cannot be clever" ?
Checking on wiki, Carswell has an upper-class degree from the University of East Anglia, followed by a Masters in Imperial History at King's, London.
Cameron has a first from Oxford.
Cameron got three A's at A-level; I have not been able to quickly discover what Carswell got.
Unless you are really saying that Cameron could not have done a masters, there seems little evidence for their comparative cleverness.
Ahhh, we're comparing qualifications again are we?
Two friends from school, one went to Oxbridge, not up to much, the other left at 16, no qualifications at all, now a millionaire.
You see being "clever" involves using other criteria such as judgement. Carswell took a massive risk in his career two years ago, does that make him, clever, brave, ambitious, foolhardy, reckless, none/all of them?
Some people are presented with circumstances that are enormously beneficial, credit to them if they take advantage, but that doesn't make them "cleverer" than a MENSA member roadsweeper.
I have a rule of thumb, if sycophants suggest their hero has "slammed" somebody, I'd suggest the opposite has happen, there can be little doubt that Douglas left the house feeling very satisfied.
No, I was asking your 'evidence' for your statement. Of which you have none bar your own biases.
So you were bullsh*tting. Unsurprisingly.
"You see being "clever" involves using other criteria such as judgement."
I know this. But we can both make arguments to the cow comes home in favour, or against, both Carswell and Cameron. The only remotely non-subjective thing we can co on is qualifications.
This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leave
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM
Your forgot the bit in the middle, where he announces to the people "The Leave campaign have told you that there is no economic risk, that we don't need to be subject to EU freedom of movement, that new trade deals with the EU and dozens of other countries can be concluded very quickly, and that we'll be able to impose tariffs on imports we don't like. I look forward to seeing how well they do with that lot."
Or you could back the patriotic decision of your fellow countrymen, and try your best to make it a success rather than sneer.
That's what I suggest, by passing responsibility on to someone who believes in it. It would be like a company deciding on a risky new strategy: you want it implemented by someone who wants to do it, not someone who doesn't.
So in other words Dave should go.
Cameron can stay and appt Gove as "Brexit Minister". That would satisfy many people.
Cameron resigning on Day 1 would wreck the markets and create turmoil.
I think he might annouce a timetable for a leadership campaign but in the meantime govern domestically, and globally as required, but delegate all discussion with the EU to a Brexit team led by Gove.
I'd like to see promotions for Leadsom (possibly to Chancellor), Gove to foreign secretary and Raab to Justice in such an eventuality, with perhaps Patel as Chief Sec. May could probably stay. Boris would need something (God knows what)
I think Hammond, Osborne and Javid would not be in a great place.
Just imagine if Remain won, and Cameron promoted only Remainers and shunted the Leavers, you'd be fuming.
I think Leave will have those three scalps if they win. The party seems to have fallen out of love with Osborne so moving him on is probably going to happen anyway and both Javid and Hammond are seen as traitors having been in the BOO camp for their whole careers they decided to toady up to their bosses instead of stand up for their own principles.
And you're forgetting that in the scenario the head of the Remain campaign (Dave) is still the most important person in the Cabinet, he is still the PM.
That article makes a very good point....wittingdale's views were exactly the same 3-4 years ago as they are now, so why would the press be worried. It isn't as if he anti something, got into government & found he was the pro & that he had some connection to a load of lobby types.
Perhaps the press thought that damaging an ally who was dragging his feet over Leverson was not in their own interest.
However I'm sure there's a perfectly valid reason for the tabloids to spike the story that is entirely consistent with their previous form on such issues. I'm sure of it ..
Spot on. Whittingdale's value as a pro-tabloid influencer of Government media policy (even before becoming a Minister) outweighed his value as a target and sales boost. It's just business, nothing more.
This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leave
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM
Your forgot the bit in the middle, where he announces to the people "The Leave campaign have told you that there is no economic risk, that we don't need to be subject to EU freedom of movement, that new trade deals with the EU and dozens of other countries can be concluded very quickly, and that we'll be able to impose tariffs on imports we don't like. I look forward to seeing how well they do with that lot."
Or you could back the patriotic decision of your fellow countrymen, and try your best to make it a success rather than sneer.
That's what I suggest, by passing responsibility on to someone who believes in it. It would be like a company deciding on a risky new strategy: you want it implemented by someone who wants to do it, not someone who doesn't.
So in other words Dave should go.
Cameron can stay and appt Gove as "Brexit Minister". That would satisfy many people.
Cameron resigning on Day 1 would wreck the markets and create turmoil.
I think he might annouce a timetable for a leadership campaign but in the meantime govern domestically, and globally as required, but delegate all discussion with the EU to a Brexit team led by Gove.
I'd like to see promotions for Leadsom (possibly to Chancellor), Gove to foreign secretary and Raab to Justice in such an eventuality, with perhaps Patel as Chief Sec. May could probably stay. Boris would need something (God knows what)
I think Hammond, Osborne and Javid would not be in a great place.
Just imagine if Remain won, and Cameron promoted only Remainers and shunted the Leavers, you'd be fuming.
Put it away.
If Cameron stays as PM as a Remainer-in-chief he'd have to give his team a strong Brexit bias to demonstrate his negotiations were serious.
If a Leaver became PM then I'd expect a more balanced team, but still skewed to Leave because we will have voted Leave - just as the current cabinet is heavily skewed to Remain now.
He makes some good points. A couple of things struck me as a bit odd, though:
- Surely we wouldn't want the Brexit date to be close to a GE?
- I don't understand why he is so pessimistic about tariffs and non-tariff barriers for the car industry. I'd have thought that this would be one of the easiest areas for getting agreement on; it's in neither side's interest to disrupt the close supply-chain integration.
- Conversely, I think he's over-optimistic on the City in a deal which didn't include freedom of movement.
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My own expectation that were we to vote to Leave, and Dave didn't announce his resignation, I'd hate to be Graham Brady's postman.
So with a big pile of well doshed up advisers they should have scenarios and gameplans of what's best. That;s his job,
You as a company director have to do risk assessments for you business. Dave's team run a £2 trn business it's their job and if they can't do it they should make way for people who can.
http://www.libdems.org.uk/tim_farron_s_2014_2015_return
That was very clever from Carswell.
Cameron either had to say
Yes - which reassures a lot of Tories who would be concerned that voting Leave would risk them losing their very popular PM.
or No - which immediately opens him up to accusations of being scornful of the decision of the electorate and also gives Opposition parties the opportunity of claiming that a Leave vote will see the back of Cameron.
Either answer helps Leave.
So would only take 166 MPs to force him out.
This is going to be Ed/David all over again isn't it?
https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/720220700024418304
Cameron can stay and appt Gove as "Brexit Minister". That would satisfy many people.
Thatcher has substantial member support when she was toppled.
It is entirely down to him if he resigns, he wasn't asked about being forced out.
Still, others have confirmed my point, Douglas has nailed him, despite you proclaiming that Douglas had been "slammed".
I suspect the different approaches taken to Carswell and Reckless should be seen in the context of their departures.
Cf Miliband, E.
However, my view of whether he has the appetite for it, or not, whether he could continue to carry the balance of the party with him, or not, or whether he might depart the premiership earlier than he might ideally have liked to, or not, will have no bearing whatsoever on my EU vote.
I might be disappointed and a bit upset about it, but this is about the future of the country and is bigger than one man, no matter how big that man is.
As much as Boris's "second referendum" idea was mocked, for me personally it would reassure me a bit: I want to be given a menu of different Brexit options to choose from, I don't have faith that my vote to Leave will be interpreted by the Tory rightwingers in the way I want it to be.
Colour me stunned
Masterstroke Douglas.
Given that:-
1. Khan himself has raised the issue of his religion as a point in his favour;
2. There is evidence of him speaking at and associating with people who are extremists;
3. We are living at a time when we are at high risk of terrorism, some of it justified by the very people Khan has associated with; and
4. Khan has made a point of saying that he will challenge Islamic extremists;
it is perfectly legitimate to ask him about his associations, query his judgment and ask him how he will implement his policy of challenging extremists.
No-one should be beyond challenge.
Any question which is a duplicate of Richard Burgon's asked at PMQs a few weeks ago must by definition be idiotic.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/03/watch-richard-burgon-upsets-his-fellow-labour-mps-at-pmqs/
Can you imagine what the fervent leavers will be like if he doesn't? He's ignoring the will of the people.
Impeach the bastard.
Who would be the other person in the race though ?
We can rule out Osborne at this point.
If 130MPs voted no confidence in his leadership (including a majority of the backbenches) with 20 or so abstentions, I think he'd be forced to resign.
Cameron needs to tread carefully not with the hardcore of 30-40 MPs who'd probably always vote against him, but the other hundred on top who might not but are also Brexiteers.
https://youtu.be/hIqUwSQSJ90
Do you have any evidence about that, aside from a rather unintelligent: "I agree with person A, therefore person A must be clever. I disagree with person B, therefore person B cannot be clever" ?
Checking on wiki, Carswell has an upper-class degree from the University of East Anglia, followed by a Masters in Imperial History at King's, London.
Cameron has a first from Oxford.
Cameron got three A's at A-level; I have not been able to quickly discover what Carswell got.
Unless you are really saying that Cameron could not have done a masters, there seems little evidence for their comparative cleverness.
I think he might annouce a timetable for a leadership campaign but in the meantime govern domestically, and globally as required, but delegate all discussion with the EU to a Brexit team led by Gove.
I'd like to see promotions for Leadsom (possibly to Chancellor), Gove to foreign secretary and Raab to Justice in such an eventuality, with perhaps Patel as Chief Sec. May could probably stay. Boris would need something (God knows what)
I think Hammond, Osborne and Javid would not be in a great place.
Mustn't be a pleasant daily work environment for him....
Never forget the bitter bastards there refused Thatcher an honorary degree purely because they disliked her politics.
However, the fact he dated a hooker is of no relevance. Move along please...
If it is very close - say less than 5% in it - then leavers hope of holding all the cards as you detail above might be a little premature.
Maggie didn't need one - she already had a degree from the best university in Europe.
Two friends from school, one went to Oxbridge, not up to much, the other left at 16, no qualifications at all, now a millionaire.
You see being "clever" involves using other criteria such as judgement. Carswell took a massive risk in his career two years ago, does that make him, clever, brave, ambitious, foolhardy, reckless, none/all of them?
Some people are presented with circumstances that are enormously beneficial, credit to them if they take advantage, but that doesn't make them "cleverer" than a MENSA member roadsweeper.
I have a rule of thumb, if sycophants suggest their hero has "slammed" somebody, I'd suggest the opposite has happen, there can be little doubt that Douglas left the house feeling very satisfied.
The BBC's belief - and that of its supporters - in its superiority does no-one any good, least of all the BBC itself.
Edit: BTW, your criticism of Whittingdale is odd, considering he might have saved the BBC by allowing them to charge for iPlayer. IMO this is a deeply regressive and negative move. But it might have saved the BBC's bacon in the long term.
I can see we're in for an afternoon of people waving their O Level certificates.
1. Oxford
Joint 642. Everywhere else.
Low bar for success. A bit like non competitive sports day, everyone's a winner.
A friend of mine is a lurker on PB, and attended the dump that is Oxford. I wound him up over the Rhodes must fall campaign, and I said the wet lettuces of Oxford would give in.
So we had a bet, he said they wouldn't give in, and when he won that bet, I had to change my picture to a famous Cambridge graduate of his choosing.
I was expecting him to make me change my profile picture to Nick Clegg, he made me change it to Kim Philby.
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One suspects "Leave" might need to do a bit of "Get Rid of Cameron" dog whistling by June time anyway...
(*I recognise many Leave supporters are vocal on here and are not (all) fruitcakes, and I myself have had to make a finely balanced decision myself as to which side i come down on, but this is a website for the politically aware and engaged - not your "average voter". My comment is not directed to you!)
So you were bullsh*tting. Unsurprisingly.
"You see being "clever" involves using other criteria such as judgement."
I know this. But we can both make arguments to the cow comes home in favour, or against, both Carswell and Cameron. The only remotely non-subjective thing we can co on is qualifications.
http://www.andrewlilico.com/2016/04/13/how-might-the-process-of-leaving-the-eu-work/
And you're forgetting that in the scenario the head of the Remain campaign (Dave) is still the most important person in the Cabinet, he is still the PM.
If Cameron stays as PM as a Remainer-in-chief he'd have to give his team a strong Brexit bias to demonstrate his negotiations were serious.
If a Leaver became PM then I'd expect a more balanced team, but still skewed to Leave because we will have voted Leave - just as the current cabinet is heavily skewed to Remain now.
- Surely we wouldn't want the Brexit date to be close to a GE?
- I don't understand why he is so pessimistic about tariffs and non-tariff barriers for the car industry. I'd have thought that this would be one of the easiest areas for getting agreement on; it's in neither side's interest to disrupt the close supply-chain integration.
- Conversely, I think he's over-optimistic on the City in a deal which didn't include freedom of movement.
I'd prefer something new from Douglas myself at this stage. When's Summer Recess?
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/hmrc-s-affluent-unit-recruits-100-new-inspectors