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You could say the same about phone hacking. People in the know knew for years before it was all splashed in the Guardian. I was certainly aware that to some extent and why many switched to Crackberry's and I am a nobody.DecrepitJohnL said:
Because the question is: why is it news now, as opposed to last week or two years ago? The more likely culprits are either Labour or the Tories trying to move on from tax wars, but really I've not had time to do any kremlinology on the story.FrancisUrquhart said:
Not sure I follow...Timeline is early 2014 woman tries to sell story to press, he ends it, they don't run story...then for the next year it is banded about other newspapers, none run it.DecrepitJohnL said:
Check the date -- July 2014. It wasn't that.FrancisUrquhart said:
Why is her tweet from July 2014 problemic with that timeline?
One thing that "hacked off" are very keen to tell us today is that Wittingdale has been dragging his feet over this part of Leveson agreement that has yet to be brought into law. Just by chance some media organisations reported on this rather recently.0 -
Surely the kremlinology of this is that a Leaver can be replaced with a Remainer in control of press regulation.DecrepitJohnL said:
Because the question is: why is it news now, as opposed to last week or two years ago? The more likely culprits are either Labour or the Tories trying to move on from tax wars, but really I've not had time to do any kremlinology on the story.FrancisUrquhart said:
Not sure I follow...Timeline is early 2014 woman tries to sell story to press, he ends it, they don't run story...then for the next year it is banded about other newspapers, none run it.DecrepitJohnL said:
Check the date -- July 2014. It wasn't that.FrancisUrquhart said:
Why is her tweet from July 2014 problemic with that timeline?
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The papers are out before Newsnight. I'd be inclined to suspect one or other political parties.FrancisUrquhart said:
You could say the same about phone hacking. People in the know knew for years before it was all splashed in the Guardian. I was certainly aware that to some extent and why many switched to Crackberry's and I am a nobody.DecrepitJohnL said:
Because the question is: why is it news now, as opposed to last week or two years ago? The more likely culprits are either Labour or the Tories trying to move on from tax wars, but really I've not had time to do any kremlinology on the story.FrancisUrquhart said:
Not sure I follow...Timeline is early 2014 woman tries to sell story to press, he ends it, they don't run story...then for the next year it is banded about other newspapers, none run it.DecrepitJohnL said:
Check the date -- July 2014. It wasn't that.FrancisUrquhart said:
Why is her tweet from July 2014 problemic with that timeline?
One thing that "hacked off" are very keen to tell us today is that Wittingdale has been dragging his feet over this part of Leveson agreement that has yet to be brought into law. Just by chance some media organisations reported on this rather recently.0 -
re Nick Robinson's Europe: Them or us
The French don't come out of it well.
.. and they call England "La perfide Albion" !
Nor does Heath for that matter.0 -
With Watson Labour are simply slipping back to the days of deadhead Ed, lots of activity but no action.TheScreamingEagles said:Agree with Rafael Behr
David Cameron may be out of touch but it won’t help Labour
Voters prefer competence to compassion, so the opposition won’t gain ground by focusing on his wealth and privilege. Labour needs to prove its fitness to govern
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/13/david-cameron-labour-competence-wealth-privilege
Watson's basically the class snitch taking pleasure in telling tales; nobody likes a snitch.0 -
Again I don't follow...the dam broke on this story because of ByLine piece which Private Eye confirmed they were running it this week (they confirmed this before Newsnight). I am presuming then that Wittingdale realised that it wasn't going to be on some obscure part of the net but in print with Private Eye that he had to say something and Newsnight ran with it.DecrepitJohnL said:
The papers are out before Newsnight. I'd be inclined to suspect one or other political parties.FrancisUrquhart said:
You could say the same about phone hacking. People in the know knew for years before it was all splashed in the Guardian. I was certainly aware that to some extent and why many switched to Crackberry's and I am a nobody.DecrepitJohnL said:
Because the question is: why is it news now, as opposed to last week or two years ago? The more likely culprits are either Labour or the Tories trying to move on from tax wars, but really I've not had time to do any kremlinology on the story.FrancisUrquhart said:
Not sure I follow...Timeline is early 2014 woman tries to sell story to press, he ends it, they don't run story...then for the next year it is banded about other newspapers, none run it.DecrepitJohnL said:
Check the date -- July 2014. It wasn't that.FrancisUrquhart said:
Why is her tweet from July 2014 problemic with that timeline?
One thing that "hacked off" are very keen to tell us today is that Wittingdale has been dragging his feet over this part of Leveson agreement that has yet to be brought into law. Just by chance some media organisations reported on this rather recently.
I think Guido's podgy digits are pointing to how did it get to ByLine. I have no idea how true it is....my point was it is a small world who knows who.0 -
De Gaulle comes out as a complete shit.geoffw said:re Nick Robinson's Europe: Them or us
The French don't come out of it well.
.. and they call England "La perfide Albion" !
Nor does Heath for that matter.
He never got over the fact les grenouilles were invaded by the Germans, and we weren't and they needed our help to be liberated.
Insular and maritime!0 -
Indeed, the voters prefer the quiet, understated competence of Osborne.Alanbrooke said:
With Watson Labour are simply slipping back to the days of deadhead Ed, lots of activity but no action.TheScreamingEagles said:Agree with Rafael Behr
David Cameron may be out of touch but it won’t help Labour
Voters prefer competence to compassion, so the opposition won’t gain ground by focusing on his wealth and privilege. Labour needs to prove its fitness to govern
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/13/david-cameron-labour-competence-wealth-privilege
Watson's basically the class snitch taking pleasure in telling tales; nobody likes a snitch.0 -
Couve de Murville was worse.TheScreamingEagles said:
De Gaulle comes out as a complete shit.geoffw said:re Nick Robinson's Europe: Them or us
The French don't come out of it well.
.. and they call England "La perfide Albion" !
Nor does Heath for that matter.
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The CapX article said more or less the sameTheScreamingEagles said:Agree with Rafael Behr
David Cameron may be out of touch but it won’t help Labour
Voters prefer competence to compassion, so the opposition won’t gain ground by focusing on his wealth and privilege. Labour needs to prove its fitness to govern
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/13/david-cameron-labour-competence-wealth-privilege
http://capx.co/class-war-the-battle-only-david-cameron-will-win/
I particularly likedOf course that didn’t stop social media being weighed down by a million hysterical posts to the contrary, but as political social media is about as representative of Britain as Disneyland Paris is of France, they had no effect whatsoever. Also again.
This sort of thing enrages the #CameronResign mob because they simply can’t understand it. Just like they couldn’t understand how millions of postings of that picture of a young Cameron with fellow Bullingdon Club members at Oxford didn’t hurt him, just like constant wails that he went to Eton didn’t hurt him, just like breathless Twitter posts of him shooting or hunting didn’t hurt him.0 -
Though the EU has changed quite noticeably for the better since 1973, in part due to our influence. Mrs Thatcher deserves the thanks of the nation for signing us up to the single market.TheScreamingEagles said:
De Gaulle comes out as a complete shit.geoffw said:re Nick Robinson's Europe: Them or us
The French don't come out of it well.
.. and they call England "La perfide Albion" !
Nor does Heath for that matter.
He never got over the fact les grenouilles were invaded by the Germans, and we weren't and they needed our help to be liberated.
Insular and maritime!
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But the lesson of the Miliband years is that public mistrust of rich Tories doesn’t automatically rehabilitate confidence in Labour. And the lesson of the past week is that the prime minister is more vulnerable on incompetence than on income tax.TheScreamingEagles said:Agree with Rafael Behr
David Cameron may be out of touch but it won’t help Labour
Voters prefer competence to compassion, so the opposition won’t gain ground by focusing on his wealth and privilege. Labour needs to prove its fitness to govern
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/13/david-cameron-labour-competence-wealth-privilege0 -
By the time they get their feet under the desk, find out where the toilets are, and read enough about their new job to make a difference, the terms Remainer and Leaver will be irrelevant, we will have remained or left, atleast for the time beingfoxinsoxuk said:
Surely the kremlinology of this is that a Leaver can be replaced with a Remainer in control of press regulation.DecrepitJohnL said:
Because the question is: why is it news now, as opposed to last week or two years ago? The more likely culprits are either Labour or the Tories trying to move on from tax wars, but really I've not had time to do any kremlinology on the story.FrancisUrquhart said:
Not sure I follow...Timeline is early 2014 woman tries to sell story to press, he ends it, they don't run story...then for the next year it is banded about other newspapers, none run it.DecrepitJohnL said:
Check the date -- July 2014. It wasn't that.FrancisUrquhart said:
Why is her tweet from July 2014 problemic with that timeline?
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I wish you'd both stop whipping up hysteria over this.JackW said:
Mike, I think you've hit a bum note there ....MikeSmithson said:Those calling for further action against Whittingdale should remember that he has already had his bottom smacked.
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Supermac's reputation wasn't exactly enhanced. He seems to have gone with barely a murmur from opposing strongly the EEC to stop (West) Germany's economic dominance, to more or less becoming a supplicant at De Gaulle's feet. In fact there appears to have been a whole lot of blowing hot and cold on all sides.geoffw said:re Nick Robinson's Europe: Them or us
The French don't come out of it well.
.. and they call England "La perfide Albion" !
Nor does Heath for that matter.0 -
I think some people are getting tied up in knots over this story...Luckyguy1983 said:
I wish you'd both stop whipping up hysteria over this.JackW said:
Mike, I think you've hit a bum note there ....MikeSmithson said:Those calling for further action against Whittingdale should remember that he has already had his bottom smacked.
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Great article.Indigo said:
The CapX article said more or less the sameTheScreamingEagles said:Agree with Rafael Behr
David Cameron may be out of touch but it won’t help Labour
Voters prefer competence to compassion, so the opposition won’t gain ground by focusing on his wealth and privilege. Labour needs to prove its fitness to govern
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/13/david-cameron-labour-competence-wealth-privilege
http://capx.co/class-war-the-battle-only-david-cameron-will-win/
I particularly likedOf course that didn’t stop social media being weighed down by a million hysterical posts to the contrary, but as political social media is about as representative of Britain as Disneyland Paris is of France, they had no effect whatsoever. Also again.
This sort of thing enrages the #CameronResign mob because they simply can’t understand it. Just like they couldn’t understand how millions of postings of that picture of a young Cameron with fellow Bullingdon Club members at Oxford didn’t hurt him, just like constant wails that he went to Eton didn’t hurt him, just like breathless Twitter posts of him shooting or hunting didn’t hurt him.0 -
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Tory MP Jacob Rees-Mogg raises £5,000 for the Brexit campaign by auctioning off tea with his NANNY
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3537456/Tory-MP-Jacob-Rees-Mogg-raises-5-000-Brexit-campaign-auctioning-tea-NANNY.html
What can you say...thats the Mogster...0 -
Great way to raise money, perhaps GO could get a similar sum auctioning a pint with Farage.FrancisUrquhart said:Tory MP Jacob Rees-Mogg raises £5,000 for the Brexit campaign by auctioning off tea with his NANNY
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3537456/Tory-MP-Jacob-Rees-Mogg-raises-5-000-Brexit-campaign-auctioning-tea-NANNY.html
What can you say...thats the Mogster...0 -
Plato_Says said:
Great article.
Indigo said:
The CapX article said more or less the sameTheScreamingEagles said:Agree with Rafael Behr
David Cameron may be out of touch but it won’t help Labour
Voters prefer competence to compassion, so the opposition won’t gain ground by focusing on his wealth and privilege. Labour needs to prove its fitness to govern
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/13/david-cameron-labour-competence-wealth-privilege
http://capx.co/class-war-the-battle-only-david-cameron-will-win/
I particularly likedOf course that didn’t stop social media being weighed down by a million hysterical posts to the contrary, but as political social media is about as representative of Britain as Disneyland Paris is of France, they had no effect whatsoever. Also again.
This sort of thing enrages the #CameronResign mob because they simply can’t understand it. Just like they couldn’t understand how millions of postings of that picture of a young Cameron with fellow Bullingdon Club members at Oxford didn’t hurt him, just like constant wails that he went to Eton didn’t hurt him, just like breathless Twitter posts of him shooting or hunting didn’t hurt him.
Required reading for all Labour MPs still unsure about mounting the coup this summer IMHO.0 -
Brilliant brand exploitation
FrancisUrquhart said:Tory MP Jacob Rees-Mogg raises £5,000 for the Brexit campaign by auctioning off tea with his NANNY
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3537456/Tory-MP-Jacob-Rees-Mogg-raises-5-000-Brexit-campaign-auctioning-tea-NANNY.html
What can you say...thats the Mogster...0 -
@jameskirkup: Is there a more revoltingly sanctimonious individual in British public life than Evan Harris?0
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Over the years, any trust I had in them was chipped away. The reports from sensible people inside the organisation were increasingly despairing. You'd hear stories from fellow journalists in the pub of bullying and intimidation – of key figures in the campaign phoning up their editor to demand journalists publish apologies on their personal Twitter accounts for imagined offences. It all felt like people going a bit mad with power. And it helped vindicate the argument made by opponents of press regulation that no-one can be trusted with the responsibility.
http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/04/13/whittingdale-story-destroys-the-last-vestiges-of-hacked-off0 -
In light of overnight revelations might one ask if there are any strings attached ....FrancisUrquhart said:Tory MP Jacob Rees-Mogg raises £5,000 for the Brexit campaign by auctioning off tea with his NANNY
Or cords, ropes or straps. Some restraint with this story is strongly recommended.
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@IanDunt: Hacked Off are now just as bad as those they campaign against https://t.co/PwoJRQabEC0
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Tom WatsonScott_P said:@jameskirkup: Is there a more revoltingly sanctimonious individual in British public life than Evan Harris?
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BBC - If you want to earn a big salary, study medicine or economics, says (IFS).
Great chart showing different degrees and a breakdown of wages 10 years after graduation.
Guess where ‘Creative arts’ comes in the league table
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Douglas Carswell will be asking Question 2 at PMQs.
Should be fun.0 -
There is another Evan that springs to mindScott_P said:@jameskirkup: Is there a more revoltingly sanctimonious individual in British public life than Evan Harris?
But its traditional for leaders of the LDs to take the top spot for sanctimony 0 -
@BBCPropaganda: For the record, has anybody in hacked off ever slept with a hooker? Asking for the Daily Mirror. #BBCDP0
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Plenty and many of them in the blogosphere and media ...Scott_P said:@jameskirkup: Is there a more revoltingly sanctimonious individual in British public life than Evan Harris?
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All good nannies are stern disciplinarians.JackW said:
In light of overnight revelations might one ask if there are any strings attached ....FrancisUrquhart said:Tory MP Jacob Rees-Mogg raises £5,000 for the Brexit campaign by auctioning off tea with his NANNY
Or cords, ropes or straps. Some restraint with this story is strongly recommended.0 -
Corbyn raises tax.
Should be fun0 -
No wonder the NHS needs a bit of 'restructuring'.SimonStClare said:BBC - If you want to earn a big salary, study medicine or economics, says (IFS).
Great chart showing different degrees and a breakdown of wages 10 years after graduation.
Guess where ‘Creative arts’ comes in the league table0 -
CORRECT ... in every RESPECT ..Sean_F said:
All good nannies are stern disciplinarians.JackW said:
In light of overnight revelations might one ask if there are any strings attached ....FrancisUrquhart said:Tory MP Jacob Rees-Mogg raises £5,000 for the Brexit campaign by auctioning off tea with his NANNY
Or cords, ropes or straps. Some restraint with this story is strongly recommended.
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Cameron .... Ouch ....0
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F1: just checked the times, and the pre-qualifying piece will be on Friday. Early starts this weekend, although not silly buggers like 5am.0
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@JGForsyth: Cameron now feels confident enough on tax to mock Corbyn for his tax return0
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Cameron says Corbyn's tax return was a metaphor for Labour policy.
'It was late, it was inaccurate, it was chaotic and it was uncosted'0 -
Corbyn .... Ouch
Touche .. 0 -
Good dig from Corbyn, saying he paid more tax than Osborne's family company0
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That article makes a very good point....wittingdale's views were exactly the same 3-4 years ago as they are now, so why would the press be worried. It isn't as if he anti something, got into government & found he was the pro & that he had some connection to a load of lobby types.Scott_P said:@IanDunt: Hacked Off are now just as bad as those they campaign against https://t.co/PwoJRQabEC
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Well, I think we can safely say the Labour Dirty Tricks Dept is well and truly up and running. Nothing to do with Damian McBride or Tom Watson I'm sure.
It seems now that anyone can set the dogs running on a story by using the words, "well he/she may not have done anything wrong, but it's the PERCEPTION.
I don't know where this is going but nobody in their right mind would want to go into politics.0 -
Zac Goldsmith today launched his strongest attack yet on Sadiq Khan, accusing his London mayoral election rival of “giving platform, oxygen and cover” to extremists.
The Tory candidate said his Labour opponent had shown “appalling judgment” by speaking at events that included people with “repellent” views.
He accused Mr Khan of “hiding behind Britain’s Muslims” by branding as an “Islamophobe” anyone who spotlighted his record.
It is the first time Mr Goldsmith has directly challenged his rival in such ferocious language.
Mr Khan hit back by calling his comments “horribly desperate stuff from a Tory campaign that is clearly losing”.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/mayor/zac-goldsmith-accuses-rival-sadiq-khan-of-giving-platform-to-extremists-a3224246.html0 -
Who would have thought a week ago Cameron would be able to wave Corbyn's tax return around as a weapon against him....quite remarkable.TheScreamingEagles said:Cameron says Corbyn's tax return was a metaphor for Labour policy.
'It was late, it was inaccurate, it was chaotic and it was uncosted'0 -
Was it Labour, though, or is this dead cat blue?LadyBucket said:Well, I think we can safely say the Labour Dirty Tricks Dept is well and truly up and running. Nothing to do with Damian McBride or Tom Watson I'm sure.
It seems now that anyone can set the dogs running on a story by using the words, "well he/she may not have done anything wrong, but it's the PERCEPTION.
I don't know where this is going but nobody in their right mind would want to go into politics.0 -
Is that a bit like Jahadi Jez giving the PERCEPTION he is in bed with terrorists? He better resign then.LadyBucket said:Well, I think we can safely say the Labour Dirty Tricks Dept is well and truly up and running. Nothing to do with Damian McBride or Tom Watson I'm sure.
It seems now that anyone can set the dogs running on a story by using the words, "well he/she may not have done anything wrong, but it's the PERCEPTION.
I don't know where this is going but nobody in their right mind would want to go into politics.0 -
Perhaps the press thought that damaging an ally who was dragging his feet over Leverson was not in their own interest.FrancisUrquhart said:
That article makes a very good point....wittingdale's views were exactly the same 3-4 years ago as they are now, so why would the press be worried. It isn't as if he anti something, got into government & found he was the pro & that he had some connection to a load of lobby types.Scott_P said:@IanDunt: Hacked Off are now just as bad as those they campaign against https://t.co/PwoJRQabEC
However I'm sure there's a perfectly valid reason for the tabloids to spike the story that is entirely consistent with their previous form on such issues. I'm sure of it .. 0 -
Looks Red to me.DecrepitJohnL said:
Was it Labour, though, or is this dead cat blue?LadyBucket said:Well, I think we can safely say the Labour Dirty Tricks Dept is well and truly up and running. Nothing to do with Damian McBride or Tom Watson I'm sure.
It seems now that anyone can set the dogs running on a story by using the words, "well he/she may not have done anything wrong, but it's the PERCEPTION.
I don't know where this is going but nobody in their right mind would want to go into politics.
https://twitter.com/RealNatalieRowe/status/487389545701601280?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
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The attack line by Corbyn (which he has used before) about the resources going into to fighting tax avoidance and evasion at HMRC is an odd angle to go on. It just gives Cameron a hook for telling everyone that this government has done more than Labour ever did.0
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Better from Jezza at the start of PMQ's but then reverted to type. Poorly prepared with an inability to think on his feet.0
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Dan Hodges @DPJHodges 16h16 hours ago
Zack Goldsmith is a genuinely nice guy. But there's no avoiding it. His campaign has descended into base, Islamophobic dog-whistling.0 -
Arguably Corbyn's best week
@faisalislam: Another first from Corbyn: zero crowdsourced questions at this #PMQs
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Zac is in big trouble. He could lose by 10 points.TheScreamingEagles said:Zac Goldsmith today launched his strongest attack yet on Sadiq Khan, accusing his London mayoral election rival of “giving platform, oxygen and cover” to extremists.
The Tory candidate said his Labour opponent had shown “appalling judgment” by speaking at events that included people with “repellent” views.
He accused Mr Khan of “hiding behind Britain’s Muslims” by branding as an “Islamophobe” anyone who spotlighted his record.
It is the first time Mr Goldsmith has directly challenged his rival in such ferocious language.
Mr Khan hit back by calling his comments “horribly desperate stuff from a Tory campaign that is clearly losing”.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/mayor/zac-goldsmith-accuses-rival-sadiq-khan-of-giving-platform-to-extremists-a3224246.html0 -
Zac's got a chance then.Danny565 said:Dan Hodges @DPJHodges 16h16 hours ago
Zack Goldsmith is a genuinely nice guy. But there's no avoiding it. His campaign has descended into base, Islamophobic dog-whistling.0 -
Good question from Angus Robertson. DWP fraud v tax fraud.0
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The report about JonC has gone chiral (reaches for coat).JonCisBack said:
Very goodWanderer said:
Is there a JonTransBack btw?JonCisBack said:This is a non-story
Even lefty Kevin Maguire is annoyed that Whittingdale is under pressure.
Attempting to set an impossibly high bar for the conduct of our politicians in any and all aspects of their lives including ones not relevant to their jobs is not realistic and will rule out all kinds of people. We will end up with nothing but vanilla dullards who aren't very good.
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I am Jon C but I left for a few months after the 2010 election and couldn't remember my log in...as has happened on oooh about 97% of things online I have ever signed up to0 -
Some interesting stuff from Maria Miller:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/apr/13/britain-needs-better-laws-stop-online-abuse-maria-miller-internet
She raises some good points, I think, even if the solutions are less obvious.0 -
Haha.
Poor Douglas Carswell gets slammed by Dave.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes0 -
Cameron says he will not resign if Leave win.0
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And I have news for all those obedient press poodles: there is more to come on this story. And you’re not going to stop it. You’re welcome.
http://zelo-street.blogspot.dk/2016/04/whittingdale-its-conspiracy.html0 -
Highly predictable response frankly.TheScreamingEagles said:Haha.
Poor Douglas Carswell gets slammed by Dave.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes0 -
The "internet machine" probably got buried under the mess as they turned his office upside down looking for that tax return among the massive collection of past editions of the Morning Star...Scott_P said:Arguably Corbyn's best week
@faisalislam: Another first from Corbyn: zero crowdsourced questions at this #PMQs
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This is getting a bit obscure even for pb :-)weejonnie said:
The report about JonC has gone chiral (reaches for coat).JonCisBack said:
Very goodWanderer said:
Is there a JonTransBack btw?JonCisBack said:This is a non-story
Even lefty Kevin Maguire is annoyed that Whittingdale is under pressure.
Attempting to set an impossibly high bar for the conduct of our politicians in any and all aspects of their lives including ones not relevant to their jobs is not realistic and will rule out all kinds of people. We will end up with nothing but vanilla dullards who aren't very good.
No
I am Jon C but I left for a few months after the 2010 election and couldn't remember my log in...as has happened on oooh about 97% of things online I have ever signed up to
I might have to wheel out my joke about a Catholic priest who used to be an organic chemist...0 -
2014 is two years ago: that's not a dead cat; it's a red herring. Look at today's PMQs: does it look like Labour wants to distract attention from tax stories? Corbyn led on tax.SimonStClare said:
Looks Red to me.DecrepitJohnL said:
Was it Labour, though, or is this dead cat blue?LadyBucket said:Well, I think we can safely say the Labour Dirty Tricks Dept is well and truly up and running. Nothing to do with Damian McBride or Tom Watson I'm sure.
It seems now that anyone can set the dogs running on a story by using the words, "well he/she may not have done anything wrong, but it's the PERCEPTION.
I don't know where this is going but nobody in their right mind would want to go into politics.
https://twitter.com/RealNatalieRowe/status/487389545701601280?ref_src=twsrc^tfw0 -
LOL. Or, no voter has actually written in about Cameron's Dad's tax affairs because they don't give a monkeys.FrancisUrquhart said:
The "internet machine" probably got buried under the mess as they turned his office upside down looking for that tax return among the massive collection of past editions of the Morning Star...Scott_P said:Arguably Corbyn's best week
@faisalislam: Another first from Corbyn: zero crowdsourced questions at this #PMQs
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Zac Goldsmith gave "platform, oxygen and cover" to terrorists in 2012:
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So one wonders why Carswell asked the question......rottenborough said:
Highly predictable response frankly.TheScreamingEagles said:Haha.
Poor Douglas Carswell gets slammed by Dave.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes0 -
@bbclaurak: I understand senior figures in Leave campaigns plan to argue they should be part of Brexit negotiations -wonder if he's teeing that upCarlottaVance said:So one wonders why Carswell asked the question......
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I'd be surprised if Dave's position is politically tenable should we vote to leave, having invested so much capital into the "remain" campaign.TheScreamingEagles said:Haha.
Poor Douglas Carswell gets slammed by Dave.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes0 -
Agreed, although he might well stay on for a while to stabilise things while everyone figures out what on earth to do next.Pulpstar said:
I'd be surprised if Dave's position is politically tenable should we vote to leave, having invested so much capital into the "remain" campaign.TheScreamingEagles said:Haha.
Poor Douglas Carswell gets slammed by Dave.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes0 -
It fits the chronologyDecrepitJohnL said:
2014 is two years ago: that's not a dead cat; it's a red herring.SimonStClare said:
Looks Red to me.DecrepitJohnL said:
Was it Labour, though, or is this dead cat blue?LadyBucket said:Well, I think we can safely say the Labour Dirty Tricks Dept is well and truly up and running. Nothing to do with Damian McBride or Tom Watson I'm sure.
It seems now that anyone can set the dogs running on a story by using the words, "well he/she may not have done anything wrong, but it's the PERCEPTION.
I don't know where this is going but nobody in their right mind would want to go into politics.
https://twitter.com/RealNatalieRowe/status/487389545701601280?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
Between August 2013 and February 2014, I had a relationship with someone who I first met through Match.com,” he said in a statement. “She was a similar age and lived close to me. At no time did she give me any indication of of her real occupation and I only discovered this when I was made aware that someone was trying to sell a story about me to tabloid newspapers.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/13/mp-john-whittingdale-had-relationship-with-sex-worker0 -
Some reasonable points, but technically illiterate as ever. Twitter is running at 500 million tweets per day, the vast vast majority of the originating outside our jurisdiction, and indeed from jurisdictions with iron-clad free speech laws where saying pretty much anything is legal. How is Twitter supposed to review that volume of data, and supposing it found a tweet originating from the USA which might be considered offensive or abusive who precisely is it supposed to do about it without violating the American posters First Amendment rights and ending up in court over there.Richard_Nabavi said:Some interesting stuff from Maria Miller:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/apr/13/britain-needs-better-laws-stop-online-abuse-maria-miller-internet
She raises some good points, I think, even if the solutions are less obvious.
This is especially the case considering some like The Guardian editors apparently see comments like "you are talking nonsense" as abusive, see yesterday's discussion, and even that would be dangerously forthright for the average student union discussion.0 -
Isn't that reassuring to people who have no desire to see (insert unsuitable candidate's name here) in charge if they vote Leave?TheScreamingEagles said:Haha.
Poor Douglas Carswell gets slammed by Dave.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
A post-Brexit Britain would be led by Cameron. That's one extremely major strand of uncertainty removed.0 -
If Corbyn had any political nous, he would challenge Cameron in Parliament to back Goldsmith's racist nonsense about Khan "giving cover to extremists".
Either Cameron would say yes, in which case his reputation as a non-racist "moderniser" and "nice guy" would be damaged.
Or he would say no or decline to answer, in which case Khan would be able to throw "even your party leader doesn't agree with you" whenever Goldsmith trotted out that line.0 -
This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leaveRichard_Nabavi said:
Agreed, although he might well stay on for a while to stabilise things while everyone figures out what on earth to do next.Pulpstar said:
I'd be surprised if Dave's position is politically tenable should we vote to leave, having invested so much capital into the "remain" campaign.TheScreamingEagles said:Haha.
Poor Douglas Carswell gets slammed by Dave.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM0 -
Surprisingly vociferous response on a Brexit question from Cameron to a fellow tory.0
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As I have said before in the circumstances of leave David Cameron needs to become a figurehead and a new unifying cabinet with Gove and Boris in leading positions createdRichard_Nabavi said:
Agreed, although he might well stay on for a while to stabilise things while everyone figures out what on earth to do next.Pulpstar said:
I'd be surprised if Dave's position is politically tenable should we vote to leave, having invested so much capital into the "remain" campaign.TheScreamingEagles said:Haha.
Poor Douglas Carswell gets slammed by Dave.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
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I am not sure that Corbyn would be wise to go anywhere near the subject. It will just generate the terrorist sympathiser line.Danny565 said:If Corbyn had any political nous, he would challenge Cameron in Parliament to back Goldsmith's racist nonsense about Khan "backing extremists".
Either Cameron would say yes, in which case his reputation as a "moderniser" and "nice guy" would be damaged.
Or he would say no, in which case Khan would be able to throw "even your party leader doesn't agree with you" whenever Goldsmith trotted out that line.0 -
9.02am. Dave recommends to the Queen that TSE be appointed Benevolent Directly Elected Dictator (Elect).TheScreamingEagles said:
This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leaveRichard_Nabavi said:
Agreed, although he might well stay on for a while to stabilise things while everyone figures out what on earth to do next.Pulpstar said:
I'd be surprised if Dave's position is politically tenable should we vote to leave, having invested so much capital into the "remain" campaign.TheScreamingEagles said:Haha.
Poor Douglas Carswell gets slammed by Dave.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM0 -
@NigelpMorris: You wouldn't know David Cameron's just his 'worst week' #PMQs0
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If they are only trying to figure out what to do on 24th in the event of a Leave vote, they should all be sacked. Immediately.Richard_Nabavi said:
Agreed, although he might well stay on for a while to stabilise things while everyone figures out what on earth to do next.Pulpstar said:
I'd be surprised if Dave's position is politically tenable should we vote to leave, having invested so much capital into the "remain" campaign.TheScreamingEagles said:Haha.
Poor Douglas Carswell gets slammed by Dave.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
Their job is to have contingency plans and implement them; wibble isn't the basis for paying a six figure salary0 -
I'm not sure Cameron would feel comfortable publicly associating himself with a line of "Khan's dangerous because he's Muslim".chestnut said:
I am not sure that Corbyn would be wise to go anywhere near the subject. It will just generate the terrorist sympathiser line.Danny565 said:If Corbyn had any political nous, he would challenge Cameron in Parliament to back Goldsmith's racist nonsense about Khan "backing extremists".
Either Cameron would say yes, in which case his reputation as a "moderniser" and "nice guy" would be damaged.
Or he would say no, in which case Khan would be able to throw "even your party leader doesn't agree with you" whenever Goldsmith trotted out that line.0 -
Your forgot the bit in the middle, where he announces to the people "The Leave campaign have told you that there is no economic risk, that we don't need to be subject to EU freedom of movement, that new trade deals with the EU and dozens of other countries can be concluded very quickly, and that we'll be able to impose tariffs on imports we don't like. I look forward to seeing how well they do with that lot."TheScreamingEagles said:This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leave
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM0 -
The point is to de-risk a Leave vote, surely? (edit: as chestnut has already said)TheScreamingEagles said:Haha.
Poor Douglas Carswell gets slammed by Dave.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes0 -
Well the IMF news of warnings of dangers of BREXIT have got rather knocked out of the news cycle.0
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I believe many more would consider voting leave if David Cameron will still lead the Government post 23rd JuneTheScreamingEagles said:
This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leaveRichard_Nabavi said:
Agreed, although he might well stay on for a while to stabilise things while everyone figures out what on earth to do next.Pulpstar said:
I'd be surprised if Dave's position is politically tenable should we vote to leave, having invested so much capital into the "remain" campaign.TheScreamingEagles said:Haha.
Poor Douglas Carswell gets slammed by Dave.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM0 -
Which is why you're voting Remain.TheScreamingEagles said:
This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leaveRichard_Nabavi said:
Agreed, although he might well stay on for a while to stabilise things while everyone figures out what on earth to do next.Pulpstar said:
I'd be surprised if Dave's position is politically tenable should we vote to leave, having invested so much capital into the "remain" campaign.TheScreamingEagles said:Haha.
Poor Douglas Carswell gets slammed by Dave.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM0 -
Note the language Douglas used "implement their wishes". I expect he was expecting the "yes" answer, in the event of a "leave" vote I expect he might well reference the PMs response.Richard_Nabavi said:
Your forgot the bit in the middle, where he announces to the people "The Leave campaign have told you that there is no economic risk, that we don't need to be subject to EU freedom of movement, that new trade deals with the EU and dozens of other countries can be concluded very quickly, and that we'll be able to impose tariffs on imports we don't like. I look forward to seeing how well they do with that lot."TheScreamingEagles said:This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leave
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM0 -
along with tsunamis in Birmingham, death stars over London and Godzilla in Manchester.FrancisUrquhart said:Well the IMF news of warnings of dangers of BREXIT have got rather knocked out of the news cycle.
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Talking of dead cats...
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/apr/13/fbi-reportedly-paid-professional-hackers-gain-access-san-bernardino-iphone
My bulls##t detector has just gone off....they will very conveniently reveal to congress / Apple that there is such and such an exploit...but I bet you that isn't what they used and / or have others already available to them.0 -
Brilliant question from Douglas as usual.TheScreamingEagles said:Haha.
Poor Douglas Carswell gets slammed by Dave.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
You see Dave lovers, he's going nowhere, vote Leave with your conscience clear.
Douglas is far cleverer than Cameron and Dave knows it. He called Reckless "fat arse", he never dared abuse Douglas.0 -
Well there was no planning for Sindy apparently, seems Governement and the civil service likes to put the house on odds on shots...Alanbrooke said:
If they are only trying to figure out what to do on 24th in the event of a Leave vote, they should all be sacked. Immediately.0 -
No,no,no.Richard_Nabavi said:
Your forgot the bit in the middle, where he announces to the people "The Leave campaign have told you that there is no economic risk, that we don't need to be subject to EU freedom of movement, that new trade deals with the EU and dozens of other countries can be concluded very quickly, and that we'll be able to impose tariffs on imports we don't like. I look forward to seeing how well they do with that lot."TheScreamingEagles said:This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leave
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM
at 9.02am he says
"Thank Christ for that, now someone else can do that damn job and I can tell everyone what I really think. I really can't stand the EU, but of course in my job, you can't say such things or the Foreign Office will start buying umbrellas from the Bulgarians, and with the single market they don't even have to pay any tariffs on them! Do you think that clusterfuck about my taxes was an accident, but I did hope that Mr Corbyn would make a slightly better fist of it, but he couldn't even get that right. Still the right result was obtained in the end, and Richard, sorry about that, but you know, 'circumstances'"0 -
Contigency plans for the immediate fall-out, of course, and I'm sure they have (indeed Mark Carney said so). But it is ludicrous to suggest that government should have plans for the impossible; it's hardly Cameron's responsibility to resolve the humongous contradiction at the heart of the Leave case. Only someone on the Leave side can break the bad news to voters; if Cameron tried to do that, all the Leavers would be screaming 'Betrayal!'.Alanbrooke said:If they are only trying to figure out what to do on 24th in the event of a Leave vote, they should all be sacked. Immediately.
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So he lied at PMQs then?TheScreamingEagles said:
This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leaveRichard_Nabavi said:
Agreed, although he might well stay on for a while to stabilise things while everyone figures out what on earth to do next.Pulpstar said:
I'd be surprised if Dave's position is politically tenable should we vote to leave, having invested so much capital into the "remain" campaign.TheScreamingEagles said:Haha.
Poor Douglas Carswell gets slammed by Dave.
Carswell: If the voters decide to vote to Leave the EU, will he remain in office and implement their wishes
Cameron: Yes
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM0 -
Yes this. There is a difference between choosing not to damage an ally, and blackmailing someone into changing political policy. Hacked Off have misunderstood as usual.JackW said:
Perhaps the press thought that damaging an ally who was dragging his feet over Leverson was not in their own interest.FrancisUrquhart said:
That article makes a very good point....wittingdale's views were exactly the same 3-4 years ago as they are now, so why would the press be worried. It isn't as if he anti something, got into government & found he was the pro & that he had some connection to a load of lobby types.Scott_P said:@IanDunt: Hacked Off are now just as bad as those they campaign against https://t.co/PwoJRQabEC
However I'm sure there's a perfectly valid reason for the tabloids to spike the story that is entirely consistent with their previous form on such issues. I'm sure of it ..0 -
That wouldn't be the line though would it? It might be Labour's attempted portrayal of the line but I'm sure the public could distinguish the difference.Danny565 said:
I'm not sure Cameron would feel comfortable publicly associating himself with a line of "Khan's dangerous because he's Muslim".chestnut said:
I am not sure that Corbyn would be wise to go anywhere near the subject. It will just generate the terrorist sympathiser line.Danny565 said:If Corbyn had any political nous, he would challenge Cameron in Parliament to back Goldsmith's racist nonsense about Khan "backing extremists".
Either Cameron would say yes, in which case his reputation as a "moderniser" and "nice guy" would be damaged.
Or he would say no, in which case Khan would be able to throw "even your party leader doesn't agree with you" whenever Goldsmith trotted out that line.0
