Re the recommended cessation of advanced maths classes for gifted students, am I right in thinking we have never had these sorts of classes in Britain, at least not in state schools?
That's not cancelled though is it; it's just not being taught, there.
There's a long history of challenges to TKAM stretching right back to the early 1960s when it was published. The N word is used 48 times according to Wiki, so I can appreciate that it's a challenging book to teach today.
But it's not cancelled. You can still buy a copy on Amazon. I'd recommend it, it's a great book.
Re the recommended cessation of advanced maths classes for gifted students, am I right in thinking we have never had these sorts of classes in Britain, at least not in state schools?
My sister was in a scheme for languages and it allowed her to do an additional language at GCSE. She went to a comp.
Yes, not a book that I like. The depictions of the Ewell family as "White Trash" and the villains of the tale are rather disturbing.
The complicity in not investigating the death of Mr Ewell is as wrong as any other act in the book.
I have similar disquiet about the ending of "Of Mice and Men" complicity in murder, but justified by the author as justice served, when it is the opposite.
That's not cancelled though is it; it's just not being taught, there.
There's a long history of challenges to TKAM stretching right back to the early 1960s when it was published. The N word is used 48 times according to Wiki, so I can appreciate that it's a challenging book to teach today.
But it's not cancelled. You can still buy a copy on Amazon. I'd recommend it, it's a great book.
Every book that’s been challenged by the Wokenazi has ended up cancelled. Including Dr Seuss FFS. Unless the mad tide is turned I see no reason why TKAM should survive.
Sure, you’ll still be able to buy it on Amazon. Taught widely in US schools? No
Not under Starmer though. and I can't see under who else in the current PLP.
I don't think Starmer can *win* an election. However a Conservative leader could *lose* an election against Starmer.
There's a difference I think.
Potentially, which is some improvement for Labour in that a Conservative leader could not lose against Corbyn even if Starmer does not have Blair's charisma and broad appeal
That's not cancelled though is it; it's just not being taught, there.
There's a long history of challenges to TKAM stretching right back to the early 1960s when it was published. The N word is used 48 times according to Wiki, so I can appreciate that it's a challenging book to teach today.
But it's not cancelled. You can still buy a copy on Amazon. I'd recommend it, it's a great book.
Every book that’s been challenged by the Wokenazi has ended up cancelled. Including Dr Seuss FFS. Unless the mad tide is turned I see no reason why TKAM should survive.
Sure, you’ll still be able to buy it on Amazon. Taught widely in US schools? No
I didn't study TKAM and I did my A Levels in 2010.
Yes, not a book that I like. The depictions of the Ewell family as "White Trash" and the villains of the tale are rather disturbing.
The complicity in not investigating the death of Mr Ewell is as wrong as any other act in the book.
I have similar disquiet about the ending of "Of Mice and Men" complicity in murder, but justified by the author as justice served, when it is the opposite.
Funnily enough, when I read it as a set text at school it made a deep and lasting impression on me - for the good, I feel.
Not under Starmer though. and I can't see under who else in the current PLP.
I don't think Starmer can *win* an election. However a Conservative leader could *lose* an election against Starmer.
There's a difference I think.
I don't think you can win in 2024. But LAB can/will win in 2029. No party has won six elections in a row.
Starmer can get LAB back into a 1992 position particularly if LAB come back in Scotland, which can happen if we have an independence referendum which Sturgeon loses and then people turn against SNP.
That's not cancelled though is it; it's just not being taught, there.
There's a long history of challenges to TKAM stretching right back to the early 1960s when it was published. The N word is used 48 times according to Wiki, so I can appreciate that it's a challenging book to teach today.
But it's not cancelled. You can still buy a copy on Amazon. I'd recommend it, it's a great book.
Every book that’s been challenged by the Wokenazi has ended up cancelled. Including Dr Seuss FFS. Unless the mad tide is turned I see no reason why TKAM should survive.
Sure, you’ll still be able to buy it on Amazon. Taught widely in US schools? No
I didn't study TKAM and I did my A Levels in 2010.
Not under Starmer though. and I can't see under who else in the current PLP.
I don't think Starmer can *win* an election. However a Conservative leader could *lose* an election against Starmer.
There's a difference I think.
I don't think you can win in 2024. But LAB can/will win in 2029. No party has won six elections in a row.
Starmer can get LAB back into a 1992 position particularly if LAB come back in Scotland, which can happen if we have an independence referendum which Sturgeon loses and then people turn against SNP.
Bear in mind that I am not "Labour". I'm not a member anymore and to be honest I was only ever a member to ensure RLB did not get elected leader.
I have voted Lib Dems in more elections than I have Labour.
Yes, not a book that I like. The depictions of the Ewell family as "White Trash" and the villains of the tale are rather disturbing.
The complicity in not investigating the death of Mr Ewell is as wrong as any other act in the book.
I have similar disquiet about the ending of "Of Mice and Men" complicity in murder, but justified by the author as justice served, when it is the opposite.
Funnily enough, when I read it as a set text at school it made a deep and lasting impression on me - for the good, I feel.
Maybe Labour would be doing even worse with a different leader. Starmer is probably the best choice they have at the moment.
I fear he must be considered only an interim. Labour need someone with charisma. Sad but true.
I would hope he has the self awareness to realise that. Unfortunately he doesn't seem to be grooming anyone for the leadership position, so maybe not...
He needs someone effective in the Shad Chancellor post ffs.
That's not cancelled though is it; it's just not being taught, there.
There's a long history of challenges to TKAM stretching right back to the early 1960s when it was published. The N word is used 48 times according to Wiki, so I can appreciate that it's a challenging book to teach today.
But it's not cancelled. You can still buy a copy on Amazon. I'd recommend it, it's a great book.
Every book that’s been challenged by the Wokenazi has ended up cancelled. Including Dr Seuss FFS. Unless the mad tide is turned I see no reason why TKAM should survive.
Sure, you’ll still be able to buy it on Amazon. Taught widely in US schools? No
I didn't study TKAM and I did my A Levels in 2010.
That could be a concerning one for Labour, as it was Focaldata that had Labour advancing in the earlier poll. Could there be a late Tory surge going on, I wonder, as in other polls, and if so, why. Could it be a more efficient online campaigning operation, I also wonder.
Yes, not a book that I like. The depictions of the Ewell family as "White Trash" and the villains of the tale are rather disturbing.
The complicity in not investigating the death of Mr Ewell is as wrong as any other act in the book.
I have similar disquiet about the ending of "Of Mice and Men" complicity in murder, but justified by the author as justice served, when it is the opposite.
Funnily enough, when I read it as a set text at school it made a deep and lasting impression on me - for the good, I feel.
It is a well written book, with multiple overlapped themes, but some of the conclusions to be drawn are very dark indeed. The impossibility of justice, the power of the middle class respectable folk to selectively enforce laws on the poor, both white and black.
Maybe Labour would be doing even worse with a different leader. Starmer is probably the best choice they have at the moment.
That could be. Personally I don't think who the leader is would have made much difference over the last year. The pandemic has blotted out normal politics. It's all been about that, with people and government on broadly the same side. Like a war.
That could be a concerning one for Labour, as it was Focaldata that had Labour advancing in the earlier poll. Could there be a late Tory surge going on, I wonder, as in other polls, and if so, why. Could it be a more efficient online campaigning operation, maybe.
No, this is the poll youre thinking of, from a few days ago.
Maybe Labour would be doing even worse with a different leader. Starmer is probably the best choice they have at the moment.
I fear he must be considered only an interim. Labour need someone with charisma. Sad but true.
I would hope he has the self awareness to realise that. Unfortunately he doesn't seem to be grooming anyone for the leadership position, so maybe not...
He needs someone effective in the Shad Chancellor post ffs.
Sunil's favourite Rachel Reeves gets plenty of airtime. And Rayner has been doing a decent job as the attack dog of the Shadow Cabinet.
Not under Starmer though. and I can't see under who else in the current PLP.
I don't think Starmer can *win* an election. However a Conservative leader could *lose* an election against Starmer.
There's a difference I think.
I don't think you can win in 2024. But LAB can/will win in 2029. No party has won six elections in a row.
Starmer can get LAB back into a 1992 position particularly if LAB come back in Scotland, which can happen if we have an independence referendum which Sturgeon loses and then people turn against SNP.
Bear in mind that I am not "Labour". I'm not a member anymore and to be honest I was only ever a member to ensure RLB did not get elected leader.
I have voted Lib Dems in more elections than I have Labour.
So you made sure Starmer was in position but have no intention of voting for him?
Are you a centrist are some kind of far left accelerationist? or maybe a Tory?
I mean lumbering Labour with a completely unelectable leader seems like madness from anything but a left wing accelerationist or right wing pro Tory point of view?!
That could be a concerning one for Labour, as it was Focaldata that had Labour advancing in the earlier poll. Could there be a late Tory surge going on, I wonder, as in other polls, and if so, why. Could it be a more efficient online campaigning operation, I also wonder.
Not under Starmer though. and I can't see under who else in the current PLP.
I don't think Starmer can *win* an election. However a Conservative leader could *lose* an election against Starmer.
There's a difference I think.
I don't think you can win in 2024. But LAB can/will win in 2029. No party has won six elections in a row.
Starmer can get LAB back into a 1992 position particularly if LAB come back in Scotland, which can happen if we have an independence referendum which Sturgeon loses and then people turn against SNP.
It all depends on the economy after the job retention scheme closes.
As a former student of economics I struggle not to see hard times ahead. However, there are plenty of jobs available now the Eastern Europeans have returned home, but do we have the workforce that wants to work hard and for not very much? The government will promote entrepreneurship, but how many barbers shops can any one high street sustain?
If I am wrong and the economy runs along nicely on cheap borrowing and house price inflation, the Conservative Party are in for as long as they want.
I don't know about America, but I was able to pass Grade 12 English Lit, in Canada, the top set of 4, without reading an actual book of any kind. We merely had a text book which had a double page on each author. A bit of a bio and a couple of extracts. Math on the other hand...well that was three separate courses. Calculus, algebra, and arithmetic and statistics. I struggled. Even with an A at O Level taken a year early. Then there was French. My B at O Level was a long way behind. And my accent was, well...A bit too French.
That's not cancelled though is it; it's just not being taught, there.
There's a long history of challenges to TKAM stretching right back to the early 1960s when it was published. The N word is used 48 times according to Wiki, so I can appreciate that it's a challenging book to teach today.
But it's not cancelled. You can still buy a copy on Amazon. I'd recommend it, it's a great book.
Indeed, They're not teaching SeanT's books either, but he's not cancelled....
___________________________________ The mood among some Labour figures in Hartlepool was “pretty desperate”, sources said. Internal data from six weeks of campaigning shows that just over 40% of previous party supporters have said they will vote for the party again this week. The figure is what is known as a “promise rate” – who people say they will vote for – and is based on the canvassing of more than 10,000 people in the town, most of whom have recently voted Labour.
We haven’t got the small donors that Corbyn brought and haven’t got the big donors that [Tony] Blair had. We’re trapped between the two worlds.” -------------------------------
So the Labour leadership from the right of the party got rid of the people that supplied the bulk of the votes, the money and the canvassing power. They did all this in exchange for some head rubs from the media who will support the Conservatives anyway and some head rubs from loyal Conservative voters who will support the Conservatives anyway.
Either, they are completely electorally incompetent.
Or
They are happy for Labour to fail as long as Labour fails whilst being led by a centrist.
If anyone who used to say the leader needs to go so the government actually have some opposition for the good of the country they would say so now unless it was just a different kind of cynical excuse for Conservatives to replace Corbyn with an easier opponent.
But...but... Tony said we'd be 20 points ahead, we just had to insult and kick out most of the people who actually vote for us and then everyone who doesn't vote for us would see how amazing Labour are and vote for us.
Failing to realise the left are some of the only sympathetic idiots stupid enough to give Labour their vote.
@kle4 NP for earlier, I sometimes like to use f you as a term of endearment so I assumed we were becoming friends, so in that spirit f you too
That could be a concerning one for Labour, as it was Focaldata that had Labour advancing in the earlier poll. Could there be a late Tory surge going on, I wonder, as in other polls, and if so, why. Could it be a more efficient online campaigning operation, I also wonder.
If Labour are really within 1% of Con nationwide and Con wins Hartlepool by 15 points and the West Mids by a similar amount, where on earth are those extra Labour votes!?
I like Stephen Fry and his humanity but have mixed views on his thoughts on this. He veers dangerously close at times to accepting generic definitions of political correctness without discrimination. There are specific areas of interest, and then there are catch-all terms of abuse from the right ; "woke" is currently going through a similar metamorphosis, from specific issues, to a catch-all perjorative for the progressive, that political correctness did in the 90s.
If Keir gets 260 seats in GE 2024 will LAB let him have another go in 2029???
I expects so, as he would probably be PM, though whether such a government could run for 5 years, I doubt.
I don't think so with 260 seats. If he is to get to that level he will need to take seats from SNP so no overall gain for the 'anti CON' grouping. Although I expect CON to get fewer seats than 365 current.
That could be a concerning one for Labour, as it was Focaldata that had Labour advancing in the earlier poll. Could there be a late Tory surge going on, I wonder, as in other polls, and if so, why. Could it be a more efficient online campaigning operation, I also wonder.
That's not cancelled though is it; it's just not being taught, there.
There's a long history of challenges to TKAM stretching right back to the early 1960s when it was published. The N word is used 48 times according to Wiki, so I can appreciate that it's a challenging book to teach today.
But it's not cancelled. You can still buy a copy on Amazon. I'd recommend it, it's a great book.
Every book that’s been challenged by the Wokenazi has ended up cancelled. Including Dr Seuss FFS. Unless the mad tide is turned I see no reason why TKAM should survive.
Sure, you’ll still be able to buy it on Amazon. Taught widely in US schools? No
To lighten the mood a little...
Our village book club read a cracking crime thriller last month - Way Beyond a Lie by Harry Fisher.
One of our members recommended it based on a friend of a friend's recommendation, etc... ...but that friend knew the author, so we were able to get him to join the bookclub meeting, which in current times is necessarily by zoom. It was very enlightening having the author with us.
Anyway, this guy struggled for over 4 years to find an agent (never mind a publisher) before eventually self-publishing on Amazon (for which he gets 29p of the £8.99 price per copy).
But the thing is the book is actually really good - great plot, good characters, good pace, and would make a great film or TV series.
Makes you wonder how some of the utter crap that does get published makes it through to print.
The happy ending is that his next book Six Six Six is being published properly in the autumn.
(Just to confirm I have no connection to the author - I just liked his book and admired his determination to persevere with it.)
Re the recommended cessation of advanced maths classes for gifted students, am I right in thinking we have never had these sorts of classes in Britain, at least not in state schools?
Much as I am willing to blame Trumpsky for just about anything I don't like, from MAGA to a stray hair in my chowder, note that POTUS (whomever she or he may be) has zero control over the decisions of the Burbank, CA school board. Or any other school board in America.
Same goes for governors. Even legislatures have limited power in this regard.
In USA, local school boards with a few exceptions are run (sometimes into the ground!) by independently elected officials, in a system that is generally separated from the rest of local government. Almost always on a non-partisan basis though rarely without some political input.
That could be a concerning one for Labour, as it was Focaldata that had Labour advancing in the earlier poll. Could there be a late Tory surge going on, I wonder, as in other polls, and if so, why. Could it be a more efficient online campaigning operation, I also wonder.
You asked - FPT - what Critical Race Theory is. Here’s a very good visual example of it. In a US school. The teacher is the Critical Race Theorist - ie on ‘the Left’ - even tho he sounds like some nutter from apartheid South Africa
Not under Starmer though. and I can't see under who else in the current PLP.
I don't think Starmer can *win* an election. However a Conservative leader could *lose* an election against Starmer.
There's a difference I think.
I don't think you can win in 2024. But LAB can/will win in 2029. No party has won six elections in a row.
Starmer can get LAB back into a 1992 position particularly if LAB come back in Scotland, which can happen if we have an independence referendum which Sturgeon loses and then people turn against SNP.
It all depends on the economy after the job retention scheme closes.
As a former student of economics I struggle not to see hard times ahead. However, there are plenty of jobs available now the Eastern Europeans have returned home, but do we have the workforce that wants to work hard and for not very much? The government will promote entrepreneurship, but how many barbers shops can any one high street sustain?
If I am wrong and the economy runs along nicely on cheap borrowing and house price inflation, the Conservative Party are in for as long as they want.
There will certainly be cheap borrowing for a long time, and house price inflation does seem to be out of control at the moment. Not sure the scrapping of stamp duty was a good idea, it just feeds through to house prices...
I don't know about America, but I was able to pass Grade 12 English Lit, in Canada, the top set of 4, without reading an actual book of any kind. We merely had a text book which had a double page on each author. A bit of a bio and a couple of extracts. Math on the other hand...well that was three separate courses. Calculus, algebra, and arithmetic and statistics. I struggled. Even with an A at O Level taken a year early. Then there was French. My B at O Level was a long way behind. And my accent was, well...A bit too French.
I was at a state school in Georgia for 5 years. English grammar was taught in quite an old fashioned way, and we spent a whole year looking at sentence construction, subjects, direct objects, indirect objects, participle clauses etc at age 11. At 12 we did Shakespeare, studying Romeo and Juliet in its entirety. I think it was far more ambitious than what either of my boys were doing here at the same age.
That could be a concerning one for Labour, as it was Focaldata that had Labour advancing in the earlier poll. Could there be a late Tory surge going on, I wonder, as in other polls, and if so, why. Could it be a more efficient online campaigning operation, I also wonder.
If Labour are really within 1% of Con nationwide and Con wins Hartlepool by 15 points and the West Mids by a similar amount, where on earth are those extra Labour votes!?
London and the South, if Focaldata is correct we are already closer than 2017 let alone 2019.
The Tory heartland is now the Midlands it seems, which had the highest Leave vote of any UK region in 2016 and has a high rate of home ownership, the South East had a Leave vote below the English average however.
Remain voting and rent majority London has swung even further to Labour it seems
Not under Starmer though. and I can't see under who else in the current PLP.
I don't think Starmer can *win* an election. However a Conservative leader could *lose* an election against Starmer.
There's a difference I think.
I don't think you can win in 2024. But LAB can/will win in 2029. No party has won six elections in a row.
Starmer can get LAB back into a 1992 position particularly if LAB come back in Scotland, which can happen if we have an independence referendum which Sturgeon loses and then people turn against SNP.
It all depends on the economy after the job retention scheme closes.
As a former student of economics I struggle not to see hard times ahead. However, there are plenty of jobs available now the Eastern Europeans have returned home, but do we have the workforce that wants to work hard and for not very much? The government will promote entrepreneurship, but how many barbers shops can any one high street sustain?
If I am wrong and the economy runs along nicely on cheap borrowing and house price inflation, the Conservative Party are in for as long as they want.
On barbers. My contact, the retired owner of a shop. It is dead. A lot of folk got into the habit of having their hair cut weekly. Hence the proliferation. They have got out of that habit.
That could be a concerning one for Labour, as it was Focaldata that had Labour advancing in the earlier poll. Could there be a late Tory surge going on, I wonder, as in other polls, and if so, why. Could it be a more efficient online campaigning operation, I also wonder.
If Labour are really within 1% of Con nationwide and Con wins Hartlepool by 15 points and the West Mids by a similar amount, where on earth are those extra Labour votes!?
Mostly in seats where they are second but never win and sears where they already have a surplus majority.
___________________________________ The mood among some Labour figures in Hartlepool was “pretty desperate”, sources said. Internal data from six weeks of campaigning shows that just over 40% of previous party supporters have said they will vote for the party again this week. The figure is what is known as a “promise rate” – who people say they will vote for – and is based on the canvassing of more than 10,000 people in the town, most of whom have recently voted Labour.
We haven’t got the small donors that Corbyn brought and haven’t got the big donors that [Tony] Blair had. We’re trapped between the two worlds.” -------------------------------
So the Labour leadership from the right of the party got rid of the people that supplied the bulk of the votes, the money and the canvassing power. They did all this in exchange for some head rubs from the media who will support the Conservatives anyway and some head rubs from loyal Conservative voters who will support the Conservatives anyway.
Either, they are completely electorally incompetent.
Or
They are happy for Labour to fail as long as Labour fails whilst being led by a centrist.
If anyone who used to say the leader needs to go so the government actually have some opposition for the good of the country they would say so now unless it was just a different kind of cynical excuse for Conservatives to replace Corbyn with an easier opponent.
But...but... Tony said we'd be 20 points ahead, we just had to insult and kick out most of the people who actually vote for us and then everyone who doesn't vote for us would see how amazing Labour are and vote for us.
Failing to realise the left are some of the only sympathetic idiots stupid enough to give Labour their vote.
@kle4 NP for earlier, I sometimes like to use f you as a term of endearment so I assumed we were becoming friends, so in that spirit f you too
As with most on the Labour left the 80 seat Tory majority on Corbyn's watch passed you by. You will wake up on Friday and note with interest that Johnson has an 82 seat majority and an 84 seat majority after Batley and Spen, and you will extrapolate from that how well Corbyn actually did in 2019.
Get rid of Starmer, we need Long-Bailey or Burgon to fly McCluskey's red flag, that'll do the trick. Good luck with that.
Yes, not a book that I like. The depictions of the Ewell family as "White Trash" and the villains of the tale are rather disturbing.
The complicity in not investigating the death of Mr Ewell is as wrong as any other act in the book.
I have similar disquiet about the ending of "Of Mice and Men" complicity in murder, but justified by the author as justice served, when it is the opposite.
Funnily enough, when I read it as a set text at school it made a deep and lasting impression on me - for the good, I feel.
It is a well written book, with multiple overlapped themes, but some of the conclusions to be drawn are very dark indeed. The impossibility of justice, the power of the middle class respectable folk to selectively enforce laws on the poor, both white and black.
Yes fair enough, I didn't spot much of that when I read it for Eng Lit O Level back in th 70s (nor, it appears did the examiners, since I passed).
It opened my eyes to the corrosive evil of racism, that's enough for me.
Re the recommended cessation of advanced maths classes for gifted students, am I right in thinking we have never had these sorts of classes in Britain, at least not in state schools?
I don't know what you are referring to exactly, but my school did 'A' level maths in lower 6th, and Advanced Maths in the upper 6th. Is that the same thing?
I don't know about America, but I was able to pass Grade 12 English Lit, in Canada, the top set of 4, without reading an actual book of any kind. We merely had a text book which had a double page on each author. A bit of a bio and a couple of extracts. Math on the other hand...well that was three separate courses. Calculus, algebra, and arithmetic and statistics. I struggled. Even with an A at O Level taken a year early. Then there was French. My B at O Level was a long way behind. And my accent was, well...A bit too French.
I was at a state school in Georgia for 5 years. English grammar was taught in quite an old fashioned way, and we spent a whole year looking at sentence construction, subjects, direct objects, indirect objects, participle clauses etc at age 11. At 12 we did Shakespeare, studying Romeo and Juliet in its entirety. I think it was far more ambitious than what either of my boys were doing here at the same age.
That's spot on the modern way of teaching grammar here right now. Only much younger than 11. Btw. We both left Wigan to graduate High School in N America. How cool is that? We can't be many!
Not under Starmer though. and I can't see under who else in the current PLP.
I don't think Starmer can *win* an election. However a Conservative leader could *lose* an election against Starmer.
There's a difference I think.
I don't think you can win in 2024. But LAB can/will win in 2029. No party has won six elections in a row.
Starmer can get LAB back into a 1992 position particularly if LAB come back in Scotland, which can happen if we have an independence referendum which Sturgeon loses and then people turn against SNP.
Bear in mind that I am not "Labour". I'm not a member anymore and to be honest I was only ever a member to ensure RLB did not get elected leader.
I have voted Lib Dems in more elections than I have Labour.
So you made sure Starmer was in position but have no intention of voting for him?
Are you a centrist are some kind of far left accelerationist? or maybe a Tory?
I mean lumbering Labour with a completely unelectable leader seems like madness from anything but a left wing accelerationist or right wing pro Tory point of view?!
If we are not Corbynites, are we not Tories? I thought we were.
Sturgeon says she WON’T hold a referendum if Boris says No
Am now confused
‘Nicola Sturgeon here confirming that if she doesn't get a Section 30 order from the UK Government, then there will be no wildcat independence referendum.
___________________________________ The mood among some Labour figures in Hartlepool was “pretty desperate”, sources said. Internal data from six weeks of campaigning shows that just over 40% of previous party supporters have said they will vote for the party again this week. The figure is what is known as a “promise rate” – who people say they will vote for – and is based on the canvassing of more than 10,000 people in the town, most of whom have recently voted Labour.
We haven’t got the small donors that Corbyn brought and haven’t got the big donors that [Tony] Blair had. We’re trapped between the two worlds.” -------------------------------
So the Labour leadership from the right of the party got rid of the people that supplied the bulk of the votes, the money and the canvassing power. They did all this in exchange for some head rubs from the media who will support the Conservatives anyway and some head rubs from loyal Conservative voters who will support the Conservatives anyway.
Either, they are completely electorally incompetent.
Or
They are happy for Labour to fail as long as Labour fails whilst being led by a centrist.
If anyone who used to say the leader needs to go so the government actually have some opposition for the good of the country they would say so now unless it was just a different kind of cynical excuse for Conservatives to replace Corbyn with an easier opponent.
But...but... Tony said we'd be 20 points ahead, we just had to insult and kick out most of the people who actually vote for us and then everyone who doesn't vote for us would see how amazing Labour are and vote for us.
Failing to realise the left are some of the only sympathetic idiots stupid enough to give Labour their vote.
@kle4 NP for earlier, I sometimes like to use f you as a term of endearment so I assumed we were becoming friends, so in that spirit f you too
As with most on the Labour left the 80 seat Tory majority on Corbyn's watch passed you by. You will wake up on Friday and note with interest that Johnson has an 82 seat majority and an 84 seat majority after Batley and Spen, and you will extrapolate from that how well Corbyn actually did in 2019.
Get rid of Starmer, we need Long-Bailey or Burgon to fly McCluskey's red flag, that'll do the trick. Good luck with that.
For this to work as mockery you would have to pick people who would do worse than Starmer.
I might suggest Harold Shipman but even he probably has a better reputation at this point and he is probably more charismatic.
Yes even as a now long dead person he is far more charismatic than the current leader of the Labour party.
___________________________________ The mood among some Labour figures in Hartlepool was “pretty desperate”, sources said. Internal data from six weeks of campaigning shows that just over 40% of previous party supporters have said they will vote for the party again this week. The figure is what is known as a “promise rate” – who people say they will vote for – and is based on the canvassing of more than 10,000 people in the town, most of whom have recently voted Labour.
We haven’t got the small donors that Corbyn brought and haven’t got the big donors that [Tony] Blair had. We’re trapped between the two worlds.” -------------------------------
So the Labour leadership from the right of the party got rid of the people that supplied the bulk of the votes, the money and the canvassing power. They did all this in exchange for some head rubs from the media who will support the Conservatives anyway and some head rubs from loyal Conservative voters who will support the Conservatives anyway.
Either, they are completely electorally incompetent.
Or
They are happy for Labour to fail as long as Labour fails whilst being led by a centrist.
If anyone who used to say the leader needs to go so the government actually have some opposition for the good of the country they would say so now unless it was just a different kind of cynical excuse for Conservatives to replace Corbyn with an easier opponent.
But...but... Tony said we'd be 20 points ahead, we just had to insult and kick out most of the people who actually vote for us and then everyone who doesn't vote for us would see how amazing Labour are and vote for us.
Failing to realise the left are some of the only sympathetic idiots stupid enough to give Labour their vote.
@kle4 NP for earlier, I sometimes like to use f you as a term of endearment so I assumed we were becoming friends, so in that spirit f you too
As with most on the Labour left the 80 seat Tory majority on Corbyn's watch passed you by. You will wake up on Friday and note with interest that Johnson has an 82 seat majority and an 84 seat majority after Batley and Spen, and you will extrapolate from that how well Corbyn actually did in 2019.
Get rid of Starmer, we need Long-Bailey or Burgon to fly McCluskey's red flag, that'll do the trick. Good luck with that.
For this to work as mockery you would have to pick people who would do worse than Starmer.
I might suggest Harold Shipman but even he probably has a better reputation at this point and he is probably more charismatic.
Yes even as a now long dead person he is far more charismatic than the current leader of the Labour party.
Not under Starmer though. and I can't see under who else in the current PLP.
I don't think Starmer can *win* an election. However a Conservative leader could *lose* an election against Starmer.
There's a difference I think.
I don't think you can win in 2024. But LAB can/will win in 2029. No party has won six elections in a row.
Starmer can get LAB back into a 1992 position particularly if LAB come back in Scotland, which can happen if we have an independence referendum which Sturgeon loses and then people turn against SNP.
Bear in mind that I am not "Labour". I'm not a member anymore and to be honest I was only ever a member to ensure RLB did not get elected leader.
I have voted Lib Dems in more elections than I have Labour.
So you made sure Starmer was in position but have no intention of voting for him?
Are you a centrist are some kind of far left accelerationist? or maybe a Tory?
I mean lumbering Labour with a completely unelectable leader seems like madness from anything but a left wing accelerationist or right wing pro Tory point of view?!
Sturgeon says she WON’T hold a referendum if Boris says No
Am now confused
‘Nicola Sturgeon here confirming that if she doesn't get a Section 30 order from the UK Government, then there will be no wildcat independence referendum.
Frankly - although I am a unionist - maybe we should get on with the referendum. SNP will lose and the question will disappear. Just like Quebec post 1995.
Sturgeon says she WON’T hold a referendum if Boris says No
Am now confused
‘Nicola Sturgeon here confirming that if she doesn't get a Section 30 order from the UK Government, then there will be no wildcat independence referendum.
More seriously, is this Big Fish paying attention to her polling data? And setting up Boris as a semi-permanent boogie man, as long as he is the Prime Minister / Gatekeeper of Union?
Not under Starmer though. and I can't see under who else in the current PLP.
I don't think Starmer can *win* an election. However a Conservative leader could *lose* an election against Starmer.
There's a difference I think.
I don't think you can win in 2024. But LAB can/will win in 2029. No party has won six elections in a row.
Starmer can get LAB back into a 1992 position particularly if LAB come back in Scotland, which can happen if we have an independence referendum which Sturgeon loses and then people turn against SNP.
Bear in mind that I am not "Labour". I'm not a member anymore and to be honest I was only ever a member to ensure RLB did not get elected leader.
I have voted Lib Dems in more elections than I have Labour.
So you made sure Starmer was in position but have no intention of voting for him?
Are you a centrist are some kind of far left accelerationist? or maybe a Tory?
I mean lumbering Labour with a completely unelectable leader seems like madness from anything but a left wing accelerationist or right wing pro Tory point of view?!
If we are not Corbynites, are we not Tories? I thought we were.
The people we called Trots called us Tories, isn't that mean....
I am sorry if your feelings were hurt, as the saying goes, if you ain't big enough to take it then don't dish it out... I mean something like that anyway.
If the reaction to enthusiastic young people joining Labour is to label them all trots because it suits your political purposes then acting hurt when you get called Tories in response is not only completely hypocritical but beyond the sensitivity levels any grown adult should display.
Sturgeon says she WON’T hold a referendum if Boris says No
Am now confused
‘Nicola Sturgeon here confirming that if she doesn't get a Section 30 order from the UK Government, then there will be no wildcat independence referendum.
Sturgeon says she WON’T hold a referendum if Boris says No
Am now confused
‘Nicola Sturgeon here confirming that if she doesn't get a Section 30 order from the UK Government, then there will be no wildcat independence referendum.
Frankly - although I am a unionist - maybe we should get on with the referendum. SNP will lose and the question will disappear. Just like Quebec post 1995.
Maybe that's what Sturgeon wishes to avoid.
Strike when the iron is hot. And don't when it's not.
Not under Starmer though. and I can't see under who else in the current PLP.
I don't think Starmer can *win* an election. However a Conservative leader could *lose* an election against Starmer.
There's a difference I think.
I don't think you can win in 2024. But LAB can/will win in 2029. No party has won six elections in a row.
Starmer can get LAB back into a 1992 position particularly if LAB come back in Scotland, which can happen if we have an independence referendum which Sturgeon loses and then people turn against SNP.
Bear in mind that I am not "Labour". I'm not a member anymore and to be honest I was only ever a member to ensure RLB did not get elected leader.
I have voted Lib Dems in more elections than I have Labour.
So you made sure Starmer was in position but have no intention of voting for him?
Are you a centrist are some kind of far left accelerationist? or maybe a Tory?
I mean lumbering Labour with a completely unelectable leader seems like madness from anything but a left wing accelerationist or right wing pro Tory point of view?!
If we are not Corbynites, are we not Tories? I thought we were.
The people we called Trots called us Tories, isn't that mean....
I am sorry if your feelings were hurt, as the saying goes, if you ain't big enough to take it then don't dish it out... I mean something like that anyway.
If the reaction to enthusiastic young people joining Labour is to label them all trots because it suits your political purposes then acting hurt when you get called Tories in response is not only completely hypocritical but beyond the sensitivity levels any grown adult should display.
What the Labour Right view as "the Trots" were more the older generation who rejoined under Corbyn, I think. The younger group are indeed much more varied.
Ref discussion on previous thread about poverty in WVA, I looked at the Zillow site for real estate in Princeton WVA, and Welch WVA, both in McDowell County. Houses available for under $50k. Not necessarily anything you'd want to live in ...
I don't know about America, but I was able to pass Grade 12 English Lit, in Canada, the top set of 4, without reading an actual book of any kind. We merely had a text book which had a double page on each author. A bit of a bio and a couple of extracts. Math on the other hand...well that was three separate courses. Calculus, algebra, and arithmetic and statistics. I struggled. Even with an A at O Level taken a year early. Then there was French. My B at O Level was a long way behind. And my accent was, well...A bit too French.
I was at a state school in Georgia for 5 years. English grammar was taught in quite an old fashioned way, and we spent a whole year looking at sentence construction, subjects, direct objects, indirect objects, participle clauses etc at age 11. At 12 we did Shakespeare, studying Romeo and Juliet in its entirety. I think it was far more ambitious than what either of my boys were doing here at the same age.
That's spot on the modern way of teaching grammar here right now. Only much younger than 11. Btw. We both left Wigan to graduate High School in N America. How cool is that? We can't be many!
I didn't graduate High School, I came back aged 15 to do O Levels. I was born in Wigan, but am Lestah by adoption. Literal Middle England as well as figuratively, from its gritty ex-con druggies to the hunting set, all life is here.
Sturgeon says she WON’T hold a referendum if Boris says No
Am now confused
‘Nicola Sturgeon here confirming that if she doesn't get a Section 30 order from the UK Government, then there will be no wildcat independence referendum.
Ref discussion on previous thread about poverty in WVA, I looked at the Zillow site for real estate in Princeton WVA, and Welch WVA, both in McDowell County. Houses available for under $50k. Not necessarily anything you'd want to live in ...
On Rightmove there are terraced houses starting at £5000 in Hartlepool.
Not under Starmer though. and I can't see under who else in the current PLP.
I don't think Starmer can *win* an election. However a Conservative leader could *lose* an election against Starmer.
There's a difference I think.
I don't think you can win in 2024. But LAB can/will win in 2029. No party has won six elections in a row.
Starmer can get LAB back into a 1992 position particularly if LAB come back in Scotland, which can happen if we have an independence referendum which Sturgeon loses and then people turn against SNP.
Bear in mind that I am not "Labour". I'm not a member anymore and to be honest I was only ever a member to ensure RLB did not get elected leader.
I have voted Lib Dems in more elections than I have Labour.
So you made sure Starmer was in position but have no intention of voting for him?
Are you a centrist are some kind of far left accelerationist? or maybe a Tory?
I mean lumbering Labour with a completely unelectable leader seems like madness from anything but a left wing accelerationist or right wing pro Tory point of view?!
If we are not Corbynites, are we not Tories? I thought we were.
The people we called Trots called us Tories, isn't that mean....
I am sorry if your feelings were hurt, as the saying goes, if you ain't big enough to take it then don't dish it out... I mean something like that anyway.
If the reaction to enthusiastic young people joining Labour is to label them all trots because it suits your political purposes then acting hurt when you get called Tories in response is not only completely hypocritical but beyond the sensitivity levels any grown adult should display.
A fair point, except don't you favour the manifesto set out in the Works of Leon Trotsky? I have never promoted Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations narrative.
Not under Starmer though. and I can't see under who else in the current PLP.
I don't think Starmer can *win* an election. However a Conservative leader could *lose* an election against Starmer.
There's a difference I think.
I don't think you can win in 2024. But LAB can/will win in 2029. No party has won six elections in a row.
Starmer can get LAB back into a 1992 position particularly if LAB come back in Scotland, which can happen if we have an independence referendum which Sturgeon loses and then people turn against SNP.
Bear in mind that I am not "Labour". I'm not a member anymore and to be honest I was only ever a member to ensure RLB did not get elected leader.
I have voted Lib Dems in more elections than I have Labour.
So you made sure Starmer was in position but have no intention of voting for him?
Are you a centrist are some kind of far left accelerationist? or maybe a Tory?
I mean lumbering Labour with a completely unelectable leader seems like madness from anything but a left wing accelerationist or right wing pro Tory point of view?!
You were more than happy with the previous unelectable leader - Starmer isn't great, but much better than the odious Corbyn.
I don't know about America, but I was able to pass Grade 12 English Lit, in Canada, the top set of 4, without reading an actual book of any kind. We merely had a text book which had a double page on each author. A bit of a bio and a couple of extracts. Math on the other hand...well that was three separate courses. Calculus, algebra, and arithmetic and statistics. I struggled. Even with an A at O Level taken a year early. Then there was French. My B at O Level was a long way behind. And my accent was, well...A bit too French.
I was at a state school in Georgia for 5 years. English grammar was taught in quite an old fashioned way, and we spent a whole year looking at sentence construction, subjects, direct objects, indirect objects, participle clauses etc at age 11. At 12 we did Shakespeare, studying Romeo and Juliet in its entirety. I think it was far more ambitious than what either of my boys were doing here at the same age.
That's spot on the modern way of teaching grammar here right now. Only much younger than 11. Btw. We both left Wigan to graduate High School in N America. How cool is that? We can't be many!
I didn't graduate High School, I came back aged 15 to do O Levels. I was born in Wigan, but am Lestah by adoption. Literal Middle England as well as figuratively, from its gritty ex-con druggies to the hunting set, all life is here.
Oh OK. Gosh. Coming the other way to do O Levels must have had it's own unique challenges I should imagine.
Sturgeon says she WON’T hold a referendum if Boris says No
Am now confused
‘Nicola Sturgeon here confirming that if she doesn't get a Section 30 order from the UK Government, then there will be no wildcat independence referendum.
I don't know about America, but I was able to pass Grade 12 English Lit, in Canada, the top set of 4, without reading an actual book of any kind. We merely had a text book which had a double page on each author. A bit of a bio and a couple of extracts. Math on the other hand...well that was three separate courses. Calculus, algebra, and arithmetic and statistics. I struggled. Even with an A at O Level taken a year early. Then there was French. My B at O Level was a long way behind. And my accent was, well...A bit too French.
I was at a state school in Georgia for 5 years. English grammar was taught in quite an old fashioned way, and we spent a whole year looking at sentence construction, subjects, direct objects, indirect objects, participle clauses etc at age 11. At 12 we did Shakespeare, studying Romeo and Juliet in its entirety. I think it was far more ambitious than what either of my boys were doing here at the same age.
That's spot on the modern way of teaching grammar here right now. Only much younger than 11. Btw. We both left Wigan to graduate High School in N America. How cool is that? We can't be many!
I didn't graduate High School, I came back aged 15 to do O Levels. I was born in Wigan, but am Lestah by adoption. Literal Middle England as well as figuratively, from its gritty ex-con druggies to the hunting set, all life is here.
Oh OK. Gosh. Coming the other way to do O Levels must have had it's own unique challenges I should imagine.
It did. I was ahead of the English kids in English and Maths, but way behind on sciences, languages, history and geography, because of how those subjects fitted the Georgia curriculum, but within a few months I caught up.
___________________________________ The mood among some Labour figures in Hartlepool was “pretty desperate”, sources said. Internal data from six weeks of campaigning shows that just over 40% of previous party supporters have said they will vote for the party again this week. The figure is what is known as a “promise rate” – who people say they will vote for – and is based on the canvassing of more than 10,000 people in the town, most of whom have recently voted Labour.
We haven’t got the small donors that Corbyn brought and haven’t got the big donors that [Tony] Blair had. We’re trapped between the two worlds.” -------------------------------
So the Labour leadership from the right of the party got rid of the people that supplied the bulk of the votes, the money and the canvassing power. They did all this in exchange for some head rubs from the media who will support the Conservatives anyway and some head rubs from loyal Conservative voters who will support the Conservatives anyway.
Either, they are completely electorally incompetent.
Or
They are happy for Labour to fail as long as Labour fails whilst being led by a centrist.
If anyone who used to say the leader needs to go so the government actually have some opposition for the good of the country they would say so now unless it was just a different kind of cynical excuse for Conservatives to replace Corbyn with an easier opponent.
But...but... Tony said we'd be 20 points ahead, we just had to insult and kick out most of the people who actually vote for us and then everyone who doesn't vote for us would see how amazing Labour are and vote for us.
Failing to realise the left are some of the only sympathetic idiots stupid enough to give Labour their vote.
@kle4 NP for earlier, I sometimes like to use f you as a term of endearment so I assumed we were becoming friends, so in that spirit f you too
As with most on the Labour left the 80 seat Tory majority on Corbyn's watch passed you by. You will wake up on Friday and note with interest that Johnson has an 82 seat majority and an 84 seat majority after Batley and Spen, and you will extrapolate from that how well Corbyn actually did in 2019.
Get rid of Starmer, we need Long-Bailey or Burgon to fly McCluskey's red flag, that'll do the trick. Good luck with that.
For me Starmer's decision to enervate the base of the party is the problem. You can have all the Ambassadors' Circle meetings you want but the rich bastards aren't the ones with clipboards at polling stations.
___________________________________ The mood among some Labour figures in Hartlepool was “pretty desperate”, sources said. Internal data from six weeks of campaigning shows that just over 40% of previous party supporters have said they will vote for the party again this week. The figure is what is known as a “promise rate” – who people say they will vote for – and is based on the canvassing of more than 10,000 people in the town, most of whom have recently voted Labour.
We haven’t got the small donors that Corbyn brought and haven’t got the big donors that [Tony] Blair had. We’re trapped between the two worlds.” -------------------------------
So the Labour leadership from the right of the party got rid of the people that supplied the bulk of the votes, the money and the canvassing power. They did all this in exchange for some head rubs from the media who will support the Conservatives anyway and some head rubs from loyal Conservative voters who will support the Conservatives anyway.
Either, they are completely electorally incompetent.
Or
They are happy for Labour to fail as long as Labour fails whilst being led by a centrist.
If anyone who used to say the leader needs to go so the government actually have some opposition for the good of the country they would say so now unless it was just a different kind of cynical excuse for Conservatives to replace Corbyn with an easier opponent.
But...but... Tony said we'd be 20 points ahead, we just had to insult and kick out most of the people who actually vote for us and then everyone who doesn't vote for us would see how amazing Labour are and vote for us.
Failing to realise the left are some of the only sympathetic idiots stupid enough to give Labour their vote.
@kle4 NP for earlier, I sometimes like to use f you as a term of endearment so I assumed we were becoming friends, so in that spirit f you too
As with most on the Labour left the 80 seat Tory majority on Corbyn's watch passed you by. You will wake up on Friday and note with interest that Johnson has an 82 seat majority and an 84 seat majority after Batley and Spen, and you will extrapolate from that how well Corbyn actually did in 2019.
Get rid of Starmer, we need Long-Bailey or Burgon to fly McCluskey's red flag, that'll do the trick. Good luck with that.
For me Starmer's decision to enervate the base of the party is the problem. You can have all the Ambassadors' Circle meetings you want but the rich bastards aren't the ones with clipboards at polling stations.
The expulsion of Corbyn was definitely a political mistake, as I predicted at the time, but Starmer is stuck with a very delicate political balancing-act. He urgently needs new advisors to flesh out the Wilsonian idea.
Yes, not a book that I like. The depictions of the Ewell family as "White Trash" and the villains of the tale are rather disturbing.
The complicity in not investigating the death of Mr Ewell is as wrong as any other act in the book.
I have similar disquiet about the ending of "Of Mice and Men" complicity in murder, but justified by the author as justice served, when it is the opposite.
Funnily enough, when I read it as a set text at school it made a deep and lasting impression on me - for the good, I feel.
It is a well written book, with multiple overlapped themes, but some of the conclusions to be drawn are very dark indeed. The impossibility of justice, the power of the middle class respectable folk to selectively enforce laws on the poor, both white and black.
Set in the thirties, and written in the late fifties, it’s on the awkward cusp of passing into history.
Not under Starmer though. and I can't see under who else in the current PLP.
I don't think Starmer can *win* an election. However a Conservative leader could *lose* an election against Starmer.
There's a difference I think.
I don't think you can win in 2024. But LAB can/will win in 2029. No party has won six elections in a row.
Starmer can get LAB back into a 1992 position particularly if LAB come back in Scotland, which can happen if we have an independence referendum which Sturgeon loses and then people turn against SNP.
Bear in mind that I am not "Labour". I'm not a member anymore and to be honest I was only ever a member to ensure RLB did not get elected leader.
I have voted Lib Dems in more elections than I have Labour.
So you made sure Starmer was in position but have no intention of voting for him?
Are you a centrist are some kind of far left accelerationist? or maybe a Tory?
I mean lumbering Labour with a completely unelectable leader seems like madness from anything but a left wing accelerationist or right wing pro Tory point of view?!
If we are not Corbynites, are we not Tories? I thought we were.
The people we called Trots called us Tories, isn't that mean....
I am sorry if your feelings were hurt, as the saying goes, if you ain't big enough to take it then don't dish it out... I mean something like that anyway.
If the reaction to enthusiastic young people joining Labour is to label them all trots because it suits your political purposes then acting hurt when you get called Tories in response is not only completely hypocritical but beyond the sensitivity levels any grown adult should display.
A fair point, except don't you favour the manifesto set out in the Works of Leon Trotsky? I have never promoted Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations narrative.
I have never read the works of Leon Trotsky, I actually know far more of Adam Smith's wealth of nations text(s)
But at a guess nationalised broadband isn't mentioned?
I haven't ever personally promoted by own manifesto but I liked parts of the Labour one... not sure it really counts as favouring the manifesto set out in the works of Leon Trotsky but maybe those lazy so and so's at head office merely did some copy paste move and there was the Labour manifesto.
I am extremely interested in Trotsky's approach of first respecting the Brexit referendum and then proposing a second referendum, an interesting couple of chapters no doubt.
Ref discussion on previous thread about poverty in WVA, I looked at the Zillow site for real estate in Princeton WVA, and Welch WVA, both in McDowell County. Houses available for under $50k. Not necessarily anything you'd want to live in ...
You might be surprised. Princeton is (as I recall) pretty nice (nicer than Welch anyway). Up in the mountains close to the VA line.
Nearby Bluefield (WV & VA) used to be famous back in the day, for an ice cream parlor that gave out free ice cream when the summertime temperature broke 90F or thereabouts. Was really advertising the fact that, in the dog days of summer, Bluefield had some of the cooler weather in the general area.
Ref discussion on previous thread about poverty in WVA, I looked at the Zillow site for real estate in Princeton WVA, and Welch WVA, both in McDowell County. Houses available for under $50k. Not necessarily anything you'd want to live in ...
On Rightmove there are terraced houses starting at £5000 in Hartlepool.
That is the auction reserve price, not the market price. Cheapest seems to be £17,500, which is still bloody cheap
Not under Starmer though. and I can't see under who else in the current PLP.
I don't think Starmer can *win* an election. However a Conservative leader could *lose* an election against Starmer.
There's a difference I think.
I don't think you can win in 2024. But LAB can/will win in 2029. No party has won six elections in a row.
Starmer can get LAB back into a 1992 position particularly if LAB come back in Scotland, which can happen if we have an independence referendum which Sturgeon loses and then people turn against SNP.
Bear in mind that I am not "Labour". I'm not a member anymore and to be honest I was only ever a member to ensure RLB did not get elected leader.
I have voted Lib Dems in more elections than I have Labour.
So you made sure Starmer was in position but have no intention of voting for him?
Are you a centrist are some kind of far left accelerationist? or maybe a Tory?
I mean lumbering Labour with a completely unelectable leader seems like madness from anything but a left wing accelerationist or right wing pro Tory point of view?!
If we are not Corbynites, are we not Tories? I thought we were.
The people we called Trots called us Tories, isn't that mean....
I am sorry if your feelings were hurt, as the saying goes, if you ain't big enough to take it then don't dish it out... I mean something like that anyway.
If the reaction to enthusiastic young people joining Labour is to label them all trots because it suits your political purposes then acting hurt when you get called Tories in response is not only completely hypocritical but beyond the sensitivity levels any grown adult should display.
What the Labour Right view as "the Trots" were more the older generation who rejoined under Corbyn, I think. The younger group are indeed much more varied.
TBH they just labelled them all as Trots, the idea was to discredit the person they are voting for. Some of the more 'generous' ones would point out they are actually centrists who are stupid and were tricked by Trots..
In actual reality Trot numbers (people who actually are Trots) were in the low thousands and the majority of those had no interest in joining Labour whilst Labour was joining by hundreds of thousands of people, even calling 1% of them Trots was incorrect.
If they had just said I don't like them and think they are bad people that would be perfectly accurate but they didn't, these are the same people who are upset at being called Tories.
Probably because a fair few that were called Tories actually later joined the Tories or called for a vote for the Tories. The truth hurts.
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'To Kill a Mockingbird,' Other Books Banned From California Schools Over Racism Concerns
https://www.newsweek.com/kill-mockingbird-other-books-banned-california-schools-over-racism-concerns-1547241
The Gold Standard for Scottish polling reports tomorrow.
Imagine the fanbois' hubris.
Re the recommended cessation of advanced maths classes for gifted students, am I right in thinking we have never had these sorts of classes in Britain, at least not in state schools?
There's a long history of challenges to TKAM stretching right back to the early 1960s when it was published. The N word is used 48 times according to Wiki, so I can appreciate that it's a challenging book to teach today.
But it's not cancelled. You can still buy a copy on Amazon. I'd recommend it, it's a great book.
Not under Starmer though. and I can't see under who else in the current PLP.
Or maybe that the Wokefinder General had rounded you all up and locked you into the previous thread,
The complicity in not investigating the death of Mr Ewell is as wrong as any other act in the book.
I have similar disquiet about the ending of "Of Mice and Men" complicity in murder, but justified by the author as justice served, when it is the opposite.
However a Conservative leader could *lose* an election against Starmer.
There's a difference I think.
Sure, you’ll still be able to buy it on Amazon. Taught widely in US schools? No
And yes, I have read it. And the sequel.
Starmer can get LAB back into a 1992 position particularly if LAB come back in Scotland, which can happen if we have an independence referendum which Sturgeon loses and then people turn against SNP.
Another 1 pointer
I have voted Lib Dems in more elections than I have Labour.
JEEZZZ!
He needs someone effective in the Shad Chancellor post ffs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W_npyI7Xsw
Are you a centrist are some kind of far left accelerationist? or maybe a Tory?
I mean lumbering Labour with a completely unelectable leader seems like madness from anything but a left wing accelerationist or right wing pro Tory point of view?!
CON: 40% (+4)
LAB: 39% (+1)
LDEM: 6% (-3)
GRN: 4% (-3)
REFUK: 3% (-1)
As a former student of economics I struggle not to see hard times ahead. However, there are plenty of jobs available now the Eastern Europeans have returned home, but do we have the workforce that wants to work hard and for not very much? The government will promote entrepreneurship, but how many barbers shops can any one high street sustain?
If I am wrong and the economy runs along nicely on cheap borrowing and house price inflation, the Conservative Party are in for as long as they want.
We merely had a text book which had a double page on each author. A bit of a bio and a couple of extracts.
Math on the other hand...well that was three separate courses. Calculus, algebra, and arithmetic and statistics.
I struggled. Even with an A at O Level taken a year early.
Then there was French. My B at O Level was a long way behind. And my accent was, well...A bit too French.
Re-post.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/04/internal-polling-suggests-labour-heading-for-defeat-in-hartlepool-byelection?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
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The mood among some Labour figures in Hartlepool was “pretty desperate”, sources said. Internal data from six weeks of campaigning shows that just over 40% of previous party supporters have said they will vote for the party again this week. The figure is what is known as a “promise rate” – who people say they will vote for – and is based on the canvassing of more than 10,000 people in the town, most of whom have recently voted Labour.
We haven’t got the small donors that Corbyn brought and haven’t got the big donors that [Tony] Blair had. We’re trapped between the two worlds.”
-------------------------------
So the Labour leadership from the right of the party got rid of the people that supplied the bulk of the votes, the money and the canvassing power. They did all this in exchange for some head rubs from the media who will support the Conservatives anyway and some head rubs from loyal Conservative voters who will support the Conservatives anyway.
Either, they are completely electorally incompetent.
Or
They are happy for Labour to fail as long as Labour fails whilst being led by a centrist.
If anyone who used to say the leader needs to go so the government actually have some opposition for the good of the country they would say so now unless it was just a different kind of cynical excuse for Conservatives to replace Corbyn with an easier opponent.
https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/1389661841949855748
But...but... Tony said we'd be 20 points ahead, we just had to insult and kick out most of the people who actually vote for us and then everyone who doesn't vote for us would see how amazing Labour are and vote for us.
Failing to realise the left are some of the only sympathetic idiots stupid enough to give Labour their vote.
@kle4 NP for earlier, I sometimes like to use f you as a term of endearment so I assumed we were becoming friends, so in that spirit f you too
Goodnight...
Our village book club read a cracking crime thriller last month - Way Beyond a Lie by Harry Fisher.
One of our members recommended it based on a friend of a friend's recommendation, etc... ...but that friend knew the author, so we were able to get him to join the bookclub meeting, which in current times is necessarily by zoom. It was very enlightening having the author with us.
Anyway, this guy struggled for over 4 years to find an agent (never mind a publisher) before eventually self-publishing on Amazon (for which he gets 29p of the £8.99 price per copy).
But the thing is the book is actually really good - great plot, good characters, good pace, and would make a great film or TV series.
Makes you wonder how some of the utter crap that does get published makes it through to print.
The happy ending is that his next book Six Six Six is being published properly in the autumn.
(Just to confirm I have no connection to the author - I just liked his book and admired his determination to persevere with it.)
Same goes for governors. Even legislatures have limited power in this regard.
In USA, local school boards with a few exceptions are run (sometimes into the ground!) by independently elected officials, in a system that is generally separated from the rest of local government. Almost always on a non-partisan basis though rarely without some political input.
https://youtu.be/0bHrrZdFRPk
Not sure why the outrage about this particular book being dropped by some schools. If you keep the same books as set texts forever you risk atrophy.
Like, I had a choice between Eyre and Flies - but I'd find it odd if I went back to my old school and found that was still the case now.
The Tory heartland is now the Midlands it seems, which had the highest Leave vote of any UK region in 2016 and has a high rate of home ownership, the South East had a Leave vote below the English average however.
Remain voting and rent majority London has swung even further to Labour it seems
Get rid of Starmer, we need Long-Bailey or Burgon to fly McCluskey's red flag, that'll do the trick. Good luck with that.
It opened my eyes to the corrosive evil of racism, that's enough for me.
Btw. We both left Wigan to graduate High School in N America. How cool is that? We can't be many!
Am now confused
‘Nicola Sturgeon here confirming that if she doesn't get a Section 30 order from the UK Government, then there will be no wildcat independence referendum.
It could not be clearer.
#BBCLeadersDebate’
https://twitter.com/agentp22/status/1389702832098398209?s=21
I might suggest Harold Shipman but even he probably has a better reputation at this point and he is probably more charismatic.
Yes even as a now long dead person he is far more charismatic than the current leader of the Labour party.
LONG time ago. 😞
Frankly - although I am a unionist - maybe we should get on with the referendum. SNP will lose and the question will disappear. Just like Quebec post 1995.
More seriously, is this Big Fish paying attention to her polling data? And setting up Boris as a semi-permanent boogie man, as long as he is the Prime Minister / Gatekeeper of Union?
I am sorry if your feelings were hurt, as the saying goes, if you ain't big enough to take it then don't dish it out... I mean something like that anyway.
If the reaction to enthusiastic young people joining Labour is to label them all trots because it suits your political purposes then acting hurt when you get called Tories in response is not only completely hypocritical but beyond the sensitivity levels any grown adult should display.
Strike when the iron is hot. And don't when it's not.
But at a guess nationalised broadband isn't mentioned?
I haven't ever personally promoted by own manifesto but I liked parts of the Labour one... not sure it really counts as favouring the manifesto set out in the works of Leon Trotsky but maybe those lazy so and so's at head office merely did some copy paste move and there was the Labour manifesto.
I am extremely interested in Trotsky's approach of first respecting the Brexit referendum and then proposing a second referendum, an interesting couple of chapters no doubt.
I simply can't reconcile national polling with local polling, unless the Tory SE support has evaporated.
Nearby Bluefield (WV & VA) used to be famous back in the day, for an ice cream parlor that gave out free ice cream when the summertime temperature broke 90F or thereabouts. Was really advertising the fact that, in the dog days of summer, Bluefield had some of the cooler weather in the general area.
In actual reality Trot numbers (people who actually are Trots) were in the low thousands and the majority of those had no interest in joining Labour whilst Labour was joining by hundreds of thousands of people, even calling 1% of them Trots was incorrect.
If they had just said I don't like them and think they are bad people that would be perfectly accurate but they didn't, these are the same people who are upset at being called Tories.
Probably because a fair few that were called Tories actually later joined the Tories or called for a vote for the Tories. The truth hurts.