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It’s going to be a busy year ahead – the Euros, Scotland, and the world’s four biggest democracies all voting. Who’ll win the UK Euro-Elections, and will Scotland be on the road to independence by the end of the year? Will the coalition still be in place at Christmas? It’s time to dust off your crystal ball and make your competition predictions for 2014.

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  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    First!
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    edited January 2014
    Gove to lose election for Tories in 2015, 2020 to infinity and beyond.
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    Going to enter this year, seem to remember being in the top 20 a few years back
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    I predict my ARSE will continue to defy its critics and as usual will provide a few extra shillings for its admirers.

    As is traditional neither JackW or my ARSE will enter PB competitions so as to allow others to bask in the glow of modest attainment.

    JackW's ARSE - Never Knowingly Undersold.
  • Not entering UKIP JackW - chicken. If you are as confident as your swagger about your ARSE then you wouldn't be reluctant to take part.

    So is it going to be chicken UKIP JackW?
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    edited January 2014
    Why does Osborne not have the guts to remove the national minimum wage? Or is the whole thing a charade of showing that the state does something useful?

  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    Mr Carpet

    I was hugely disappointed to see your game didn't include the recently announced elections in North Korea. I believe including these would add a level of knife-edge tension and unpredictability which would challenge even the most insightful of PBers.


    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/08/north-korea-march-date-election-mps
  • MillsyMillsy Posts: 900
    Fun to have a guess at the Euro result (will be close but maybe Labour, Ukip, Tory), and god knows what will happen in India
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited January 2014
    Good Morning News

    A clear picture of Christmas quarter Retail Sales is beginning to emerge. J. Sainsbury plc has reported this morning and the story is of modest growth exceeding market expectations.

    With John Lewis (Waitrose) doing well at the top end and Aldi/Lidl capturing significant increased share at the bottom, investors were waiting to see how the large mid market supermarkets performed. A sigh of relief can be heard in the City this morning.

    The key points and CEO summary:

    • Total sales for third quarter up 2.5 per cent (2.7 per cent excluding fuel)
    • Like-for-like sales for third quarter flat (0.2 per cent excluding fuel)

    Justin King, Chief Executive, said: "This quarter has been characterised by a very tough sales environment throughout October and November, with customers saving up in order to treat their families over the Christmas period. However, we saw strong sales in the key period over Christmas, helping record numbers of customers to Live Well for Less. Like-for-like sales excluding fuel of 0.2 per cent, coupled with a strong contribution from new space, led to our best Christmas ever.


    All safe and sound stuff underpinning external forecasts for a better than expected UK Q4 GDP growth.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    AveryLP said:

    Good Morning News

    A clear picture of Christmas quarter Retail Sales is beginning to emerge. J. Sainsbury plc has reported this morning and the story is of modest growth exceeding market expectations.

    With John Lewis (Waitrose) doing well at the top end and Aldi/Lidl capturing significant increased share at the bottom, investors were waiting to see how the large mid market supermarkets performed. A sigh of relief can be heard in the City this morning.

    The key points and CEO summary:

    • Total sales for third quarter up 2.5 per cent (2.7 per cent excluding fuel)
    • Like-for-like sales for third quarter flat (0.2 per cent excluding fuel)

    Justin King, Chief Executive, said: "This quarter has been characterised by a very tough sales environment throughout October and November, with customers saving up in order to treat their families over the Christmas period. However, we saw strong sales in the key period over Christmas, helping record numbers of customers to Live Well for Less. Like-for-like sales excluding fuel of 0.2 per cent, coupled with a strong contribution from new space, led to our best Christmas ever.


    All safe and sound stuff underpinning external forecasts for a better than expected growth in UK Q4 GDP growth.

    So we've sucked in yet more imports and borrowed a shedload of cash to pay for them. And that's good news ? Brownissimo.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    Not entering UKIP JackW - chicken. If you are as confident as your swagger about your ARSE then you wouldn't be reluctant to take part.

    So is it going to be chicken UKIP JackW?

    Oh you little minx.

    I've no need to burnish the reputation of either JackW or my ARSE by partaking of PB's august competitions. Let others enjoy the limelight a little.

    Indeed as PB's reigning TOTY - Tipster of the Year, since 2008, I can only conclude that your clear infatuation with my ARSE is borne of the little green eyed monster that festers within your manly breast.

    Relieve yourself man of these unworthy thoughts and come and worship at the altar of the greatest political predictor since the evolution of mankind. You know it makes sense.

    JackW's ARSE - Never Knowingly Undersold Since the Dawn Of Time



  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    @HillmanMink

    Further .... may I also indicate to the PB masses that you referring to moi as "UKIP JackW" should of course not insinuate that I have any digit(al) relationship with Nigel Farage.

    One soon learns to pull your finger out of such political accommodations.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited January 2014

    AveryLP said:

    Good Morning News

    ...

    All safe and sound stuff underpinning external forecasts for a better than expected growth in UK Q4 GDP growth.

    So we've sucked in yet more imports and borrowed a shedload of cash to pay for them. And that's good news ? Brownissimo.
    Well, 40% of total retail expenditure by households is in food stores, Mr. Brooke. So any growth or decline in this sector will have a major impact on the performance of the economy as a whole. Steady as the UK grows is what's wanted.

    The picture emerging is not one of excessive consumption though. Growth is positive but generally below the rates of CPI. And household cash flows are indicating that expenditure has not been driven by borrowing or even that much by reduced savings.

    The Bank of England published their quarterly Bank Liabilities Survey yesterday (reporting on bank deposits and funding sources). This showed that household bank deposits remained stable through the last quarter of the year with deposits from firms increasing significantly.

    This shows that the UK population have behaved in a prudent and measured way this Christmas.

    Incidentally, the most welcome news from the BoE's Bank Liabilities Survey was the rapid improvement in Bank Capital over 2013 Q4:

    Lenders reported that their total level of capital had continued to increase significantly in Q4. The balance of profits, losses, deductions and charges in the United Kingdom had continued to make a significant positive direct contribution to the change in total capital levels in Q4. Lenders expected a further significant rise in their total level of capital in 2014 Q1.

    Dry stuff I realise but enough to send the share prices of the Lloyds and RBoS Banking shares rocketing.

    George Osborne, contemplating proceeds from his imminent sale of the next tranche of Lloyds shares, was last seen doing a hop, skip and jump up Whitehall chanting "lovely, bubbly, jubbly".

    It really is that good.
  • Not sure I agree with all of this but interesting, perhaps the ARSE is right!

    labour-uncut.co.uk/2014/01/06/the-milibelievers-are-destroying-labours-chances-for-victory-in-2015/#more-17658
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    AveryLP said:

    AveryLP said:

    Good Morning News

    ...

    All safe and sound stuff underpinning external forecasts for a better than expected growth in UK Q4 GDP growth.

    So we've sucked in yet more imports and borrowed a shedload of cash to pay for them. And that's good news ? Brownissimo.
    Well, 40% of total retail expenditure by households is in food stores, Mr. Brooke. So any growth or decline in this sector will have a major impact on the performance of the economy as a whole. Steady as the UK grows is what's wanted.

    The picture emerging is not one of excessive consumption though. Growth is positive but generally below the rates of CPI. And household cash flows are indicating that expenditure has not been driven by borrowing or even that much by reduced savings.

    The Bank of England published their quarterly Bank Liabilities Survey yesterday (reporting on bank deposits and funding sources). This showed that household bank deposits remained stable through the last quarter of the year with deposits from firms increasing significantly.

    This shows that the UK population have behaved in a prudent and measured way this Christmas.

    Incidentally, the most welcome news from the BoE's Bank Liabilities Survey was the rapid improvement in Bank Capital over 2013 Q4:

    Lenders reported that their total level of capital had continued to increase significantly in Q4. The balance of profits, losses, deductions and charges in the United Kingdom had continued to make a significant positive direct contribution to the change in total capital levels in Q4. Lenders expected a further significant rise in their total level of capital in 2014 Q1.

    Dry stuff I realise but enough to send the share prices of the Lloyds and RBoS Banking shares rocketing.

    George Osborne, contemplating proceeds from his imminent sale of the next tranche of Lloyds shares, was last seen doing a hop, skip and jump up Whitehall chanting "lovely, bubbly, jubbly".

    It really is that good.
    Ho hum back to debt bingeing and asset inflation as a means of wealth creation. Has british economic thinking ever been at such a low point ?

    I did however come across this

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avery_Co.

    and wondered given your penchant for tractor stats if you are somehow connected ?
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    Not sure I agree with all of this but interesting, perhaps the ARSE is right!

    labour-uncut.co.uk/2014/01/06/the-milibelievers-are-destroying-labours-chances-for-victory-in-2015/#more-17658

    How very dare you use the qualification "perhaps" in relation to my ARSE.

    I've not been so traumatised since I was tagged on ConHome as a "Senior Conservative Commentator" !!!!!

  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815

    AveryLP said:

    AveryLP said:

    Good Morning News

    ...

    All safe and sound stuff underpinning external forecasts for a better than expected growth in UK Q4 GDP growth.

    So we've sucked in yet more imports and borrowed a shedload of cash to pay for them. And that's good news ? Brownissimo.
    ...

    Ho hum back to debt bingeing and asset inflation as a means of wealth creation. Has british economic thinking ever been at such a low point ?

    I did however come across this

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avery_Co.

    and wondered given your penchant for tractor stats if you are somehow connected ?
    The Avery Company, founded by Robert Hanneman Avery, was an American farm tractor manufacturer, famed for its undermounted engine

    I fear to report that there is no connection between myself and The Avery Company, Mr. Brooke.

    Much to the disappointment of half the population, my engine, unlike that of the Avery Tractors, is top-mounted.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    AveryLP said:

    AveryLP said:

    AveryLP said:

    Good Morning News

    ...

    All safe and sound stuff underpinning external forecasts for a better than expected growth in UK Q4 GDP growth.

    So we've sucked in yet more imports and borrowed a shedload of cash to pay for them. And that's good news ? Brownissimo.
    ...

    Ho hum back to debt bingeing and asset inflation as a means of wealth creation. Has british economic thinking ever been at such a low point ?

    I did however come across this

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avery_Co.

    and wondered given your penchant for tractor stats if you are somehow connected ?
    The Avery Company, founded by Robert Hanneman Avery, was an American farm tractor manufacturer, famed for its undermounted engine

    I fear to report that there is no connection between myself and The Avery Company, Mr. Brooke.

    Much to the disappointment of half the population, my engine, unlike that of the Avery Tractors, is top-mounted.
    Is that Southern for you're a dickhead ? :-)
  • JackW said:

    Not sure I agree with all of this but interesting, perhaps the ARSE is right!

    labour-uncut.co.uk/2014/01/06/the-milibelievers-are-destroying-labours-chances-for-victory-in-2015/#more-17658

    How very dare you use the qualification "perhaps" in relation to my ARSE.

    I've not been so traumatised since I was tagged on ConHome as a "Senior Conservative Commentator" !!!!!

    How the h*ll did anyone manage that, Jack?
  • I very much fear the Euros could be: UKIP 30%, Labour 28%, Conservatives 20% LDs 5%.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,963
    Good morning, everyone.

    Huzzah for this competition!

    As with the last one, though, I'll need to google and guess about the foreign leader questions.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    JackW said:

    Not sure I agree with all of this but interesting, perhaps the ARSE is right!

    labour-uncut.co.uk/2014/01/06/the-milibelievers-are-destroying-labours-chances-for-victory-in-2015/#more-17658

    How very dare you use the qualification "perhaps" in relation to my ARSE.

    I've not been so traumatised since I was tagged on ConHome as a "Senior Conservative Commentator" !!!!!

    How the h*ll did anyone manage that, Jack?
    I was a cuckoo in the ConHome nest for a very short period but long enough for some to consider I'd also become a Tory raptor feasting on unsuspecting lefties.

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,963
    Just trying to find out contenders for the Indian question. One opinion poll there had a 120,000 sample size!
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514

    Just trying to find out contenders for the Indian question. One opinion poll there had a 120,000 sample size!

    easy Mr D, just ask yourself what would Hannibal do ?
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815

    AveryLP said:

    AveryLP said:

    AveryLP said:

    Good Morning News

    ...

    All safe and sound stuff underpinning external forecasts for a better than expected growth in UK Q4 GDP growth.

    So we've sucked in yet more imports and borrowed a shedload of cash to pay for them. And that's good news ? Brownissimo.
    ...

    Ho hum back to debt bingeing and asset inflation as a means of wealth creation. Has british economic thinking ever been at such a low point ?

    I did however come across this

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avery_Co.

    and wondered given your penchant for tractor stats if you are somehow connected ?
    The Avery Company, founded by Robert Hanneman Avery, was an American farm tractor manufacturer, famed for its undermounted engine

    I fear to report that there is no connection between myself and The Avery Company, Mr. Brooke.

    Much to the disappointment of half the population, my engine, unlike that of the Avery Tractors, is top-mounted.
    Is that Southern for you're a dickhead ? :-)
    These Brummie terms are a pig to translate (Morning, Pork).

    I struggled with "tube manipulation" and "deep drawn components" yesterday and now you are pushing my comprehension to its fullest extent.

  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    Just trying to find out contenders for the Indian question. One opinion poll there had a 120,000 sample size!

    easy Mr D, just ask yourself what would Hannibal do ?
    Eat them with a nice chianti and some fava beans ??

  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    I can vouch for the outpourings of Jacks ARSE. They are certainly powerful, indeed overwhelming!

    I won the Eastleigh by election contest by applying Jacks ARSE to my own estimate of turnout.

    I shall attempt the above after a bit of research on Brazilians!

    Happy punting Miss Minx, but betting against the ARSE requires more horsepower than in your Rootes.

    JackW said:

    Not entering UKIP JackW - chicken. If you are as confident as your swagger about your ARSE then you wouldn't be reluctant to take part.

    So is it going to be chicken UKIP JackW?

    Oh you little minx.

    I've no need to burnish the reputation of either JackW or my ARSE by partaking of PB's august competitions. Let others enjoy the limelight a little.

    Indeed as PB's reigning TOTY - Tipster of the Year, since 2008, I can only conclude that your clear infatuation with my ARSE is borne of the little green eyed monster that festers within your manly breast.

    Relieve yourself man of these unworthy thoughts and come and worship at the altar of the greatest political predictor since the evolution of mankind. You know it makes sense.

    JackW's ARSE - Never Knowingly Undersold Since the Dawn Of Time



  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,963
    Mr. Brooke, I suspect he'd lull the Indians into a false sense of security by fielding a deliberately weak formation, then encircle and annihilate them in an epic victory.

    Anyway, I have posted off my answers for the competition. I still think UKIP will easily come top in the euro-elections.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    AveryLP said:

    AveryLP said:

    AveryLP said:

    AveryLP said:

    Good Morning News

    ...

    All safe and sound stuff underpinning external forecasts for a better than expected growth in UK Q4 GDP growth.

    So we've sucked in yet more imports and borrowed a shedload of cash to pay for them. And that's good news ? Brownissimo.
    ...

    Ho hum back to debt bingeing and asset inflation as a means of wealth creation. Has british economic thinking ever been at such a low point ?

    I did however come across this

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avery_Co.

    and wondered given your penchant for tractor stats if you are somehow connected ?
    The Avery Company, founded by Robert Hanneman Avery, was an American farm tractor manufacturer, famed for its undermounted engine

    I fear to report that there is no connection between myself and The Avery Company, Mr. Brooke.

    Much to the disappointment of half the population, my engine, unlike that of the Avery Tractors, is top-mounted.
    Is that Southern for you're a dickhead ? :-)
    These Brummie terms are a pig to translate (Morning, Pork).

    I struggled with "tube manipulation" and "deep drawn components" yesterday and now you are pushing my comprehension to its fullest extent.

    Apols Mr Pole it was a cheap shot and as you know no Ulsterman can resist pulling a trigger.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815

    AveryLP said:

    AveryLP said:

    AveryLP said:

    AveryLP said:

    Good Morning News

    ...

    All safe and sound stuff underpinning external forecasts for a better than expected growth in UK Q4 GDP growth.

    So we've sucked in yet more imports and borrowed a shedload of cash to pay for them. And that's good news ? Brownissimo.
    ...

    Ho hum back to debt bingeing and asset inflation as a means of wealth creation. Has british economic thinking ever been at such a low point ?

    I did however come across this

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avery_Co.

    and wondered given your penchant for tractor stats if you are somehow connected ?
    The Avery Company, founded by Robert Hanneman Avery, was an American farm tractor manufacturer, famed for its undermounted engine

    I fear to report that there is no connection between myself and The Avery Company, Mr. Brooke.

    Much to the disappointment of half the population, my engine, unlike that of the Avery Tractors, is top-mounted.
    Is that Southern for you're a dickhead ? :-)
    These Brummie terms are a pig to translate (Morning, Pork).

    I struggled with "tube manipulation" and "deep drawn components" yesterday and now you are pushing my comprehension to its fullest extent.

    Apols Mr Pole it was a cheap shot and as you know no Ulsterman can resist pulling a trigger.
    It made me laugh, Mr. Brooke.

    That is more than welcome before 9:00 am!
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    The most valuable part of the quiz is showing everyone each December how far out their initial expectations were. Stuff happens.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,963
    Jesus ****ing Christ....

    Once again it seems the unelected and unaccountable peers, who cretinous Clegg wanted to axe, will be about to block a bonkers policy from the Commoners:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25648019

    "Courts could impose these on anyone engaging - or threatening to engage - in "conduct capable of causing nuisance or annoyance to any person"."

    Making it illegal to be annoying?! Surely it's not the first day of April?

    This is absolutely bloody nuts.

    ASBOs are bloody stupid anyway (criminalising those who aren't actually breaking any laws), but this is a whole new level of insanity.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,470
    David MacKay's a good egg, and a very knowledgeable person that I generally listen to, even if I don't agree with him (annoyingly, he's more often right than my initial instincts allow).

    However, he's going a bit far on this. For one thing, the network of repair-people are not out there - the days when firms had people travelling around to fix things are long gone. Now it's more a case of sending the faulty item back, and getting a new one returned.

    Secondly, the cost of spares and labour can easily exceed the cost of a new appliance. Our 8-year old LCD TV is developing bands on the top-third of the screen when left on for more than five hours - thankfully a rare occurrence. I've investigated, but they quoted more than the cost of a new TV for the LCD panel alone. In other words, they cannot be bothered, or the spares aren't available.

    Answer: we'll leave it until it gets annoying and buy a new one.

    Says the man who has a builder in (*) fitting a new washer-dryer this very morning ...

    (*) A very nice Peruvian man who has a science PhD. Blooming immigrants, coming here and fitting kitchens ...
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    @Morris_Dancer Some pb threads might be a lot shorter.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,834

    Jesus ****ing Christ....

    Once again it seems the unelected and unaccountable peers, who cretinous Clegg wanted to axe, will be about to block a bonkers policy from the Commoners:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25648019

    "Courts could impose these on anyone engaging - or threatening to engage - in "conduct capable of causing nuisance or annoyance to any person"."

    Making it illegal to be annoying?! Surely it's not the first day of April?

    This is absolutely bloody nuts.

    ASBOs are bloody stupid anyway (criminalising those who aren't actually breaking any laws), but this is a whole new level of insanity.

    In the absence of a democratic mandate, the only legitimacies the Lords can have are common sense and / or voicing opinions common in the street / pub / Clapham omnibus but rarely heard in the Commons.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,834

    Just trying to find out contenders for the Indian question. One opinion poll there had a 120,000 sample size!

    If the opinions polls from before the last election are any guide, they're not just completely useless but positively misleading. Treat with care.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,963
    Mr. Herdson, I fear your warning is too late! Never mind, I was guessing anyway.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    @JosiahJessop wrote :

    "(*) A very nice Peruvian man who has a science PhD. Blooming immigrants, coming here and fitting kitchens ..."

    Paddington Bear Kitchens ??
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,567
    For those starved of real elections to brood about, you may not have noticed that there's a LibDem deputy leadership election in progress (gosh). Only MPs can vote. Here's an unofficial list of possibles:

    http://www.libdemvoice.org/lib-dem-deputy-leadership-runners-and-riders-whos-your-choice-37550.html

    I saw Lorelei Burt attacking the Tories a couple of days ago, haven't seen anything else. Can one of our resident LDs tell us more?
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,173
    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/01/08/uk-britain-property-halifax-idUKBREA070A420140108

    So much for the bubble merchants including some lately and currently in this parish.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,834

    AveryLP said:

    Good Morning News

    A clear picture of Christmas quarter Retail Sales is beginning to emerge. J. Sainsbury plc has reported this morning and the story is of modest growth exceeding market expectations.

    With John Lewis (Waitrose) doing well at the top end and Aldi/Lidl capturing significant increased share at the bottom, investors were waiting to see how the large mid market supermarkets performed. A sigh of relief can be heard in the City this morning.

    The key points and CEO summary:

    • Total sales for third quarter up 2.5 per cent (2.7 per cent excluding fuel)
    • Like-for-like sales for third quarter flat (0.2 per cent excluding fuel)

    Justin King, Chief Executive, said: "This quarter has been characterised by a very tough sales environment throughout October and November, with customers saving up in order to treat their families over the Christmas period. However, we saw strong sales in the key period over Christmas, helping record numbers of customers to Live Well for Less. Like-for-like sales excluding fuel of 0.2 per cent, coupled with a strong contribution from new space, led to our best Christmas ever.


    All safe and sound stuff underpinning external forecasts for a better than expected growth in UK Q4 GDP growth.

    So we've sucked in yet more imports and borrowed a shedload of cash to pay for them. And that's good news ? Brownissimo.
    In the early part of a recovery, increased retail spend is both to be expected and welcomed. It is one stage up from a government stimulus, in that it is at least happening organically. Also, recessions can see abnormally low levels of spend / high levels of savings, so large year-on-year increases can be misleading. The problem is if what should be a temporary situation persists as the recovery endures. Ideally, increased retail spend should lead to increased investment as confidence increases i.e. the path to sustainable growth.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    dr_spyn said:

    Why does Osborne not have the guts to remove the national minimum wage? Or is the whole thing a charade of showing that the state does something useful?

    Because following mass immigration from very poor countries the going rate will drop to about £3 ph?



  • My boy scout's knowledge of nature and physics predicts a change in the weather is afoot. Emphasis away from heavy rains towards something of a more wintry nature. As for politics - as you were.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,567
    Drastic anecdote alert to back up Mike's strong views - a voter asking how to get her Broxtowe ballot as she's moved abroad:

    "The main reason I moved overseas to teach was down to the current government. The whole academy debacle and mess that Gove has been allowed to make of the education system and devalue teachers has caused so many good teachers to leave the country. I would never consider returning to teach in the UK unless massive changes were to occur."
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,963
    Mr. Scout, I hope you're right. I grow tired of constant rain, wind and mud. I'm just glad it's not even worse. Those on low ground near rivers or at the coast must be having a terrible time.
  • Mr. Scout, I hope you're right. I grow tired of constant rain, wind and mud. I'm just glad it's not even worse. Those on low ground near rivers or at the coast must be having a terrible time.

    Mr. Scout, I hope you're right. I grow tired of constant rain, wind and mud. I'm just glad it's not even worse. Those on low ground near rivers or at the coast must be having a terrible time.

    I have my expert badge at weather forecasting Mr Dancer. Where do you live? Please state your location and altitude and I will give you a rough prognosis.

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410
    edited January 2014
    Betting post:

    Back Thomas Schaaf at Paddy Power 11/4 (3.75)
    Lay stake off at Betfair (2.9)


    (West Brom next manager)

    Paddy price is gone, 3.5 at Sky Bet available. (2.8 to lay now)
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,963
    Mr. Scout, I have no idea what my altitude is. I live in Yorkshire, near Leeds.
  • making it a crime to 'annoy somebody in public' sounds like one of those medieval laws that nobody has got round to repealing and gets mentioned on programmes like QI.
  • Jesus ****ing Christ....

    Once again it seems the unelected and unaccountable peers, who cretinous Clegg wanted to axe, will be about to block a bonkers policy from the Commoners:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25648019

    "Courts could impose these on anyone engaging - or threatening to engage - in "conduct capable of causing nuisance or annoyance to any person"."

    Making it illegal to be annoying?! Surely it's not the first day of April?

    This is absolutely bloody nuts.

    ASBOs are bloody stupid anyway (criminalising those who aren't actually breaking any laws), but this is a whole new level of insanity.

    I should think that the Government has just won the vote of every medical receptionist in the land...
  • Mr. Scout, I have no idea what my altitude is. I live in Yorkshire, near Leeds.

    Forgive me but you would make a poor Boy Scout. You should consult your local OS map which features contour lines. I would expect a drier week for you, possibly with some snow flurries later although at this juncture I think a line from London to mid-Wales is more likely to receive snow. But drier and colder, certainly.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited January 2014
    felix said:

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/01/08/uk-britain-property-halifax-idUKBREA070A420140108

    So much for the bubble merchants including some lately and currently in this parish.

    Unsurprising news from Halifax. The tea leaves have been predicting a slow down in the rate of growth in house prices for a few months now. In Central London - albeit a very different market to the rest of the country - this trend has been in evidence from mid 2013.

    The trouble is there are too many indices, all based on different criteria and all varying in their findings by a large extent. This leads to conflicting signals being published almost weekly in the press.

    The Hometrack index, not the most visible of those published, did at least carry some interesting commentary on what is happening:

    Demand for housing grew by 25% in the last year while the supply of homes for sale rose by just 6%, fuelling concerns of a housing shortage.

    Director of Research, Richard Donnell, said: "Demand grew at the fastest rate for three years while the supply of homes for sale grew at the lowest level recorded over the 12 year history of the survey


    And the solution to this temporary problem doesn't lie with a short term boost in house building. New houses traditionally only account for around 8% of all sales. What is holding back the market is the reluctance of people who purchased at the height of the noughties boom to sell at a paper loss. So there needs to be another 5-10% increase in prices to get prices to pre-crisis nominal levels before the volume of properties placed on the market can match demand from purchasers.

    This is why a 10% house price increase in 2014 is being predicted by many commentators and is seen by industry experts as necessary. The problem though is the volatility of house pricing and the ease with which rising confidence can create unjustified velocity. A short term correction followed by a return to increases close to inflation is what is needed, but may be difficult to achieve.
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,818
    edited January 2014
    If people are really really really being annoying in public then surely public disorder laws can be used already? Wasn't there that case where some deluded islamists were walking around Brick Lane telling off or threatening people who were doing unislamic things. A conviction was given against them without having these new laws
  • Drastic anecdote alert to back up Mike's strong views - a voter asking how to get her Broxtowe ballot as she's moved abroad:

    "The main reason I moved overseas to teach was down to the current government. The whole academy debacle and mess that Gove has been allowed to make of the education system and devalue teachers has caused so many good teachers to leave the country. I would never consider returning to teach in the UK unless massive changes were to occur."

    Translation: Entrenched lefty brainwasher unhappy that an education secretary aligns himself with parents against the Blob.

    Presumably the ever rising number of Academy or Free School teachers are pretty happy with the state of things. These schools are wildly popular with parents. As are the few remaining Grammar Schools. Why? Failing old guard in retreat and more effective, efficient replacements advance.

    So here's a question: If teaching has been captured entirely by its producers and has been delivering poorly and getting worse for a long time, what is the sensible policy approach? More of the same? More shiny new white boards?

    Gove is a shitstirrer, an ideologue, an evangelist and has 'something of the night' about him. Good!
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,963
    Mr. Scout, I was indeed never a scout. Too busy waving my wiffle stick around to bother with cartography. Anyway, colder and drier would suit me very well. We'll see if you're right.

    Mr. Away, you're quite right. The Government is being completely inept, and it's staggering we haven't heard about this deranged law until they've actually reached the Lords.

    One of the comments in the article suggested the timing was to cover the removal of 'insulting' terms being illegal under some recently passed law.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410
    Odds on now ;)
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,567

    If people are really really really being annoying in public then surely public disorder laws can be used already? Wasn't there that case where some deluded islamists were walking around Brick Lane telling off or threatening people who were doing unislamic things. A conviction was given against them without having these new laws

    Yes, that's what I thought too. Sounds like a bit of crowd-pleasing (maybe) tokenism.

    Mind you, maybe the law could be applied here. Can we all arrest each other for being annoying in public?

  • MillsyMillsy Posts: 900

    Jesus ****ing Christ....

    Once again it seems the unelected and unaccountable peers, who cretinous Clegg wanted to axe, will be about to block a bonkers policy from the Commoners:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25648019

    "Courts could impose these on anyone engaging - or threatening to engage - in "conduct capable of causing nuisance or annoyance to any person"."

    Making it illegal to be annoying?! Surely it's not the first day of April?

    This is absolutely bloody nuts.

    ASBOs are bloody stupid anyway (criminalising those who aren't actually breaking any laws), but this is a whole new level of insanity.

    Who would apply to court? Is it one for busybody councils or could anyone who finds their neighbour annoying apply?
  • Drastic anecdote alert to back up Mike's strong views - a voter asking how to get her Broxtowe ballot as she's moved abroad:

    "The main reason I moved overseas to teach was down to the current government. The whole academy debacle and mess that Gove has been allowed to make of the education system and devalue teachers has caused so many good teachers to leave the country. I would never consider returning to teach in the UK unless massive changes were to occur."

    I have an ex-teacher friend who said almost exactly the same under the Labour government, left the profession, and now lives in France.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    Mr. Scout, I have no idea what my altitude is. I live in Yorkshire, near Leeds.

    Your Google-fu is weak, young dancer.

    Your house is 534 feet above sea level.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,470
    JackW said:

    @JosiahJessop wrote :

    "(*) A very nice Peruvian man who has a science PhD. Blooming immigrants, coming here and fitting kitchens ..."

    Paddington Bear Kitchens ??

    He's heard all the jokes before. Many, many times ... ;-)

    He's an interesting bloke. His wife works as a scientist in Cambridge, whilst he gave up working in biology to be an odd-job man/builder. The reason is that he finds more satisfaction - and money - from completing jobs in a day or a few weeks, than he did from his science work, where results would not come for years.

    He says he's got a few weeks' work just rebuilding fences that have blown down in this wind. One guy's had 30 metres come down ...
  • th

    If people are really really really being annoying in public then surely public disorder laws can be used already? Wasn't there that case where some deluded islamists were walking around Brick Lane telling off or threatening people who were doing unislamic things. A conviction was given against them without having these new laws

    Yes, that's what I thought too. Sounds like a bit of crowd-pleasing (maybe) tokenism.

    Mind you, maybe the law could be applied here. Can we all arrest each other for being annoying in public?

    that could turn out to be quite good fun. There is a 'peep show' episode where everyone tried to get everybody else sectioned which looked fun
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143

    My boy scout's knowledge of nature and physics predicts a change in the weather is afoot. Emphasis away from heavy rains towards something of a more wintry nature. As for politics - as you were.

    The Met Office has had this text in their forecast for the last few days:

    "Some signals are also emerging to suggest the weather may undergo a change to colder weather types early next month."

    Have the Express run their "we're all going to freeze in our beds" story yet?
  • If this annoying law does pass , I may have to have a hotline to that non-emergency (or maybe it is?) police number that I can never remember so that when the X Factor comes on I can report an annoyance everytime somebody cries with false emotion
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    One for Lord Palmer of Christiania.

    Rich Danes Face Benefit Cuts as Universal Welfare Abandoned

    Denmark’s richest citizens are finding themselves cut off from some welfare benefits as Scandinavia’s weakest nation reviews state-paid services once considered a universal right.

    “We’ll see a welfare state that is gradually optimized to work under the conditions of globalization and global competition,” Danish Finance Minister Bjarne Corydon said yesterday in an interview in Copenhagen. “We continually alter priorities and financing to optimize the model."


    Some Kinnockite soft shoe shuffling going on in that last line on priorities and models.

    Full article here: http://bloom.bg/1bQh9i3
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410

    JackW said:

    @JosiahJessop wrote :

    "(*) A very nice Peruvian man who has a science PhD. Blooming immigrants, coming here and fitting kitchens ..."

    Paddington Bear Kitchens ??

    He's heard all the jokes before. Many, many times ... ;-)

    He's an interesting bloke. His wife works as a scientist in Cambridge, whilst he gave up working in biology to be an odd-job man/builder. The reason is that he finds more satisfaction - and money - from completing jobs in a day or a few weeks, than he did from his science work, where results would not come for years.

    He says he's got a few weeks' work just rebuilding fences that have blown down in this wind. One guy's had 30 metres come down ...
    Had some tiles low off my roof over christmas. Now fixed.

    Great time to be a roofer. Terrible time to be an insurance company.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514

    David MacKay's a good egg, and a very knowledgeable person that I generally listen to, even if I don't agree with him (annoyingly, he's more often right than my initial instincts allow).

    However, he's going a bit far on this. For one thing, the network of repair-people are not out there - the days when firms had people travelling around to fix things are long gone. Now it's more a case of sending the faulty item back, and getting a new one returned.

    Secondly, the cost of spares and labour can easily exceed the cost of a new appliance. Our 8-year old LCD TV is developing bands on the top-third of the screen when left on for more than five hours - thankfully a rare occurrence. I've investigated, but they quoted more than the cost of a new TV for the LCD panel alone. In other words, they cannot be bothered, or the spares aren't available.

    Answer: we'll leave it until it gets annoying and buy a new one.

    Says the man who has a builder in (*) fitting a new washer-dryer this very morning ...

    (*) A very nice Peruvian man who has a science PhD. Blooming immigrants, coming here and fitting kitchens ...
    JJ been out for my morning walk so just seen your post.

    To add to the great body of PB anecdote my experience is much like yours. My dishwasher packed it in in October. The repair guy said it was probably some small element in the heater. The manufacturer however only sells the replacement part in a whole unit assembly.
    To buy the replacement and fit cost almost as much as a new dishwasher. No surprise we bought a new one. Manufacturers just don't want to support out of production spares.

    I also was interested in how the Prof would reconcile the environmental benefits of an upgraded stock versus keeping the old one going. New cars ( or boilers for that matter ) are more "green" in terms of emissions and energy use, so why does it make environmental sense to keep the old ones going ?

    And then there's the economic arguments......
  • AveryLP said:

    One for Lord Palmer of Christiania.

    Rich Danes Face Benefit Cuts as Universal Welfare Abandoned

    Denmark’s richest citizens are finding themselves cut off from some welfare benefits as Scandinavia’s weakest nation reviews state-paid services once considered a universal right.

    “We’ll see a welfare state that is gradually optimized to work under the conditions of globalization and global competition,” Danish Finance Minister Bjarne Corydon said yesterday in an interview in Copenhagen. “We continually alter priorities and financing to optimize the model."


    Some Kinnockite soft shoe shuffling going on in that last line on priorities and models.

    Full article here: http://bloom.bg/1bQh9i3

    The Danes obviously need to switch some money from welfare to anti- corporate language re-education if that statement is anything to go by!!
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,173
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    Drastic anecdote alert to back up Mike's strong views - a voter asking how to get her Broxtowe ballot as she's moved abroad:

    "The main reason I moved overseas to teach was down to the current government. The whole academy debacle and mess that Gove has been allowed to make of the education system and devalue teachers has caused so many good teachers to leave the country. I would never consider returning to teach in the UK unless massive changes were to occur."


    Must be a pretty thick teacher if she doesn't know how to organise a vote from overseas without contacting at random her ex-Labour MP. The words smell rat come to my mind.

  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    My prediction is lobbyists will continue to pay the political class and the political class will continue to ignore this.

    "Sexual violence in gang neighbourhoods is 'like that in war zones' ... Warning came following shocking Children's Commissioner report"

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2513653/Sexual-violence-gang-neighbourhoods-like-war-zones-girls-young-11-groomed-raped.html
  • eekeek Posts: 28,590
    edited January 2014

    Mr. Scout, I have no idea what my altitude is. I live in Yorkshire, near Leeds.

    Your Google-fu is weak, young dancer.

    Your house is 534 feet above sea level.
    Are you sure about that. I'm 200 feet above sea level and out of this client's other window look down over most of Leeds...
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514

    Drastic anecdote alert to back up Mike's strong views - a voter asking how to get her Broxtowe ballot as she's moved abroad:

    "The main reason I moved overseas to teach was down to the current government. The whole academy debacle and mess that Gove has been allowed to make of the education system and devalue teachers has caused so many good teachers to leave the country. I would never consider returning to teach in the UK unless massive changes were to occur."

    Eh ? Teacher leaving because of so much change will only come back if there are more changes ?
  • AveryLP said:

    One for Lord Palmer of Christiania.

    Rich Danes Face Benefit Cuts as Universal Welfare Abandoned

    Denmark’s richest citizens are finding themselves cut off from some welfare benefits as Scandinavia’s weakest nation reviews state-paid services once considered a universal right.

    “We’ll see a welfare state that is gradually optimized to work under the conditions of globalization and global competition,” Danish Finance Minister Bjarne Corydon said yesterday in an interview in Copenhagen. “We continually alter priorities and financing to optimize the model."


    Some Kinnockite soft shoe shuffling going on in that last line on priorities and models.

    Full article here: http://bloom.bg/1bQh9i3

    I'm actually surprised that it's taken so long - globalisation was, after all, announced by Jimmy Carter during his presidency.

    Perhaps people will trust Labour to cut benefits only as far as necessary - the Tories may be suspected of cutting them further than that to further their own political agenda. BTW, does anyone have any data on the ethnicity of (a) working-age claimants and (b) pensioners by comparison with the population as a whole? If the figures are anything close to what I imagine them to be, they might explain a great deal.

    Globalization, as well as making universal welfare unaffordable, is the biggest driver of racism since the age of imperial conquests.

  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    Pulpstar said:

    JackW said:

    @JosiahJessop wrote :

    "(*) A very nice Peruvian man who has a science PhD. Blooming immigrants, coming here and fitting kitchens ..."

    Paddington Bear Kitchens ??

    He's heard all the jokes before. Many, many times ... ;-)

    He's an interesting bloke. His wife works as a scientist in Cambridge, whilst he gave up working in biology to be an odd-job man/builder. The reason is that he finds more satisfaction - and money - from completing jobs in a day or a few weeks, than he did from his science work, where results would not come for years.

    He says he's got a few weeks' work just rebuilding fences that have blown down in this wind. One guy's had 30 metres come down ...
    Had some tiles low off my roof over christmas. Now fixed.

    Great time to be a roofer. Terrible time to be an insurance company.
    I thought all roofers were shot during the Brownian purges of the mid noughties.

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,963
    Mr. Eek, that probably accounts for the soaring towers of Castle Morris Dancer, beneath which other dwellings are puny.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited January 2014

    My boy scout's knowledge of nature and physics predicts a change in the weather is afoot. Emphasis away from heavy rains towards something of a more wintry nature. As for politics - as you were.

    The Met Office has had this text in their forecast for the last few days:

    "Some signals are also emerging to suggest the weather may undergo a change to colder weather types early next month."

    Have the Express run their "we're all going to freeze in our beds" story yet?
    The Sun have beat them to it!!

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/5363077/hell-has-actually-frozen-over.html
  • Drastic anecdote alert to back up Mike's strong views - a voter asking how to get her Broxtowe ballot as she's moved abroad:

    "The main reason I moved overseas to teach was down to the current government. The whole academy debacle and mess that Gove has been allowed to make of the education system and devalue teachers has caused so many good teachers to leave the country. I would never consider returning to teach in the UK unless massive changes were to occur."

    Another Leftie teacher unable to brainwash our kids any longer.

    Excellent.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143

    My dishwasher packed it in in October. The repair guy said it was probably some small element in the heater. The manufacturer however only sells the replacement part in a whole unit assembly.

    Fundamentally this is a matter of design. With good design you could make something that was easy to repair. Though it is possible that there would be trade-offs, and this would make it more expensive to manufacture.

    The problem is that there is no economic incentive to make things easy to repair. The consumer these days has little trust that an item is built to last, and so will rarely pay more on that basis.
  • SchardsSchards Posts: 210
    Pulpstar said:

    Betting post:

    Back Thomas Schaaf at Paddy Power 11/4 (3.75)
    Lay stake off at Betfair (2.9)


    (West Brom next manager)

    Paddy price is gone, 3.5 at Sky Bet available. (2.8 to lay now)

    New WBA chant:

    "Who's the new german gaffer who makes like a sex machine for all the fans?

    SCHAAF

    Damn right........"
  • @OSM

    Far too much caution from the Met Office. The cold is likely to arrive much earlier.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514

    My dishwasher packed it in in October. The repair guy said it was probably some small element in the heater. The manufacturer however only sells the replacement part in a whole unit assembly.

    Fundamentally this is a matter of design. With good design you could make something that was easy to repair. Though it is possible that there would be trade-offs, and this would make it more expensive to manufacture.

    The problem is that there is no economic incentive to make things easy to repair. The consumer these days has little trust that an item is built to last, and so will rarely pay more on that basis.
    Design is certainly part of it, but there's also the matter of manufacturers not really wanting to support spares ( hence premium pricing ) and hoping this will drive new product sales.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    AveryLP said:

    Pulpstar said:

    JackW said:

    @JosiahJessop wrote :

    "(*) A very nice Peruvian man who has a science PhD. Blooming immigrants, coming here and fitting kitchens ..."

    Paddington Bear Kitchens ??

    He's heard all the jokes before. Many, many times ... ;-)

    He's an interesting bloke. His wife works as a scientist in Cambridge, whilst he gave up working in biology to be an odd-job man/builder. The reason is that he finds more satisfaction - and money - from completing jobs in a day or a few weeks, than he did from his science work, where results would not come for years.

    He says he's got a few weeks' work just rebuilding fences that have blown down in this wind. One guy's had 30 metres come down ...
    Had some tiles low off my roof over christmas. Now fixed.

    Great time to be a roofer. Terrible time to be an insurance company.
    I thought all roofers were shot during the Brownian purges of the mid noughties.

    Ha Mr Pole

    it looks like Owen Paterson has become trapped in a jam of his own making. Belgian presumably :-)

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2535563/Why-dont-YOU-buy-British-minister-Farmers-accuse-Government-hypocrisy-plea-shoppers-buy-foreign-food.html
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143

    @OSM

    Far too much caution from the Met Office. The cold is likely to arrive much earlier.

    Depends what you mean by "cold". The Met Office forecast also says this, for an earlier period:

    "Temperatures are likely to be colder than recently in most areas with an increasing risk of frost, ice and fog."

    So my interpretation is that they expect it to become colder in the near future, but that there's also a chance of it becoming what you might call properly cold early next month.
  • David MacKay's a good egg, and a very knowledgeable person that I generally listen to, even if I don't agree with him (annoyingly, he's more often right than my initial instincts allow).

    However, he's going a bit far on this. For one thing, the network of repair-people are not out there - the days when firms had people travelling around to fix things are long gone. Now it's more a case of sending the faulty item back, and getting a new one returned.


    Answer: we'll leave it until it gets annoying and buy a new one.

    Says the man who has a builder in (*) fitting a new washer-dryer this very morning ...

    (*) A very nice Peruvian man who has a science PhD. Blooming immigrants, coming here and fitting kitchens ...
    JJ been out for my morning walk so just seen your post.

    To add to the great body of PB anecdote my experience is much like yours. My dishwasher packed it in in October. The repair guy said it was probably some small element in the heater. The manufacturer however only sells the replacement part in a whole unit assembly.
    To buy the replacement and fit cost almost as much as a new dishwasher. No surprise we bought a new one. Manufacturers just don't want to support out of production spares.

    I also was interested in how the Prof would reconcile the environmental benefits of an upgraded stock versus keeping the old one going. New cars ( or boilers for that matter ) are more "green" in terms of emissions and energy use, so why does it make environmental sense to keep the old ones going ?

    And then there's the economic arguments......
    In the next village down from us is a small family run electrical goods and hardware shop. It's been there since before I can remember (I actually went to school with one of the grandsons of the owner back then). They used to run a thriving repair business, and were agents for some big brands, indeed they still are. The repair side is now all but defunct, because most things are virtually all unrepairable.
    They still stock belts, filters and items like that for Dysons, washing machines, driers and things, plus they do warranty work for more technical repairs such as new control boards, but that's about it. Pretty much everything else will get replaced and binned. Even high end gadgets don't get repaired, unless it's a cracked screen on an i gadget or smartphone, as its just not cost effective in labour and cost of spares.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,834

    My dishwasher packed it in in October. The repair guy said it was probably some small element in the heater. The manufacturer however only sells the replacement part in a whole unit assembly.

    Fundamentally this is a matter of design. With good design you could make something that was easy to repair. Though it is possible that there would be trade-offs, and this would make it more expensive to manufacture.

    The problem is that there is no economic incentive to make things easy to repair. The consumer these days has little trust that an item is built to last, and so will rarely pay more on that basis.
    We also live in a disposable society culture and never mind expect, perhaps we desire that things don't last as we expect to upgrade to a newer / better model in x years, even if the old one was working perfectly adequately. (Not that this culture is universal).
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143

    @OSM

    Far too much caution from the Met Office. The cold is likely to arrive much earlier.

    Depends what you mean by "cold". The Met Office forecast also says this, for an earlier period:

    "Temperatures are likely to be colder than recently in most areas with an increasing risk of frost, ice and fog."

    So my interpretation is that they expect it to become colder in the near future, but that there's also a chance of it becoming what you might call properly cold early next month.
    It is worth noting in this context that the current temperatures are much warmer than usual, so there is potential for the weather to become colder, without it becoming unusually cold.

    For those that are interested, last year ended up very slightly warmer than the average, after the first half of the year caused some excitement by being consistently colder than average.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514

    David MacKay's a good egg, and a very knowledgeable person that I generally listen to, even if I don't agree with him (annoyingly, he's more often right than my initial instincts allow).

    However, he's going a bit far on this. For one thing, the network of repair-people are not out there - the days when firms had people travelling around to fix things are long gone. Now it's more a case of sending the faulty item back, and getting a new one returned.


    Answer: we'll leave it until it gets annoying and buy a new one.

    Says the man who has a builder in (*) fitting a new washer-dryer this very morning ...

    (*) A very nice Peruvian man who has a science PhD. Blooming immigrants, coming here and fitting kitchens ...
    JJ been out for my morning walk so just seen your post.

    To add to the great body of PB anecdote my experience is much like yours. My dishwasher environmental sense to keep the old ones going ?

    And then there's the economic arguments......
    In the next village down from us is a small family run electrical goods and hardware shop. It's been there since before I can remember (I actually went to school with one of the grandsons of the owner back then). They used to run a thriving repair business, and were agents for some big brands, indeed they still are. The repair side is now all but defunct, because most things are virtually all unrepairable.
    They still stock belts, filters and items like that for Dysons, washing machines, driers and things, plus they do warranty work for more technical repairs such as new control boards, but that's about it. Pretty much everything else will get replaced and binned. Even high end gadgets don't get repaired, unless it's a cracked screen on an i gadget or smartphone, as its just not cost effective in labour and cost of spares.
    The one that annoys me regularly is why can't mobile phone manufacturers agree on a standard charging socket ?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,020
    From the telegraph this morning:
    "Latest figures show Italy's unemployment rate rose to 12.7pc in November, a new record high. Youth unemployment, at a staggering 41.6pc, is also at its highest ever."

    Anyone who thinks the EZ crisis has gone away is kidding themselves. I really don't know how a society can sustain youth unemployment at those levels.

    Sooner or later another crisis in the EZ involving Italy, France or both is going to disrupt our export trade once again. It will take some of the shine off our growth when it does.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143

    My dishwasher packed it in in October. The repair guy said it was probably some small element in the heater. The manufacturer however only sells the replacement part in a whole unit assembly.

    Fundamentally this is a matter of design. With good design you could make something that was easy to repair. Though it is possible that there would be trade-offs, and this would make it more expensive to manufacture.

    The problem is that there is no economic incentive to make things easy to repair. The consumer these days has little trust that an item is built to last, and so will rarely pay more on that basis.
    We also live in a disposable society culture and never mind expect, perhaps we desire that things don't last as we expect to upgrade to a newer / better model in x years, even if the old one was working perfectly adequately. (Not that this culture is universal).
    If you think of the way in which furniture, etc, used to be passed down the generations that culture is relatively new. Culture is a human creation.
  • My dishwasher packed it in in October. The repair guy said it was probably some small element in the heater. The manufacturer however only sells the replacement part in a whole unit assembly.

    Fundamentally this is a matter of design. With good design you could make something that was easy to repair. Though it is possible that there would be trade-offs, and this would make it more expensive to manufacture.

    The problem is that there is no economic incentive to make things easy to repair. The consumer these days has little trust that an item is built to last, and so will rarely pay more on that basis.
    We also live in a disposable society culture and never mind expect, perhaps we desire that things don't last as we expect to upgrade to a newer / better model in x years, even if the old one was working perfectly adequately. (Not that this culture is universal).
    I think we must be close to the point where we slow down buying every new TV at least. They seem to advance every year, and to be honest, who among us can truthfully say that this years TV is noticeably better viewing than last years, or the year before that model?
    Also, we'll have to start redesigning new houses, just to fit the bloody things in the lounge! The traditional TV position between the chimney breast and the front wall of the house is just too small to accommodate them now!

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,963
    Mr. L, I quite agree. The eurozone is a long way from being fixed, and I suspect it cannot be due to the incredible divergence of fiscal policies and cultures involved.

    Mr. Me, you're quite right regarding furniture and the like.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited January 2014
    @Innocent_Abroad

    I'm actually surprised that it's taken so long - globalisation was, after all, announced by Jimmy Carter during his presidency.

    Perhaps people will trust Labour to cut benefits only as far as necessary - the Tories may be suspected of cutting them further than that to further their own political agenda. BTW, does anyone have any data on the ethnicity of (a) working-age claimants and (b) pensioners by comparison with the population as a whole? If the figures are anything close to what I imagine them to be, they might explain a great deal.

    Globalization, as well as making universal welfare unaffordable, is the biggest driver of racism since the age of imperial conquests.


    It is all a matter of optimal balance, IA.

    Osborne, following Gurria at the OECD, opted for a fiscal consolidation plan with a ratio of tax rises to spending cuts of 20:80. This was at the top end of the splits adopted by other developed countries with similar deficit/debt problems to the UK.

    Osborne then imposed the tax rises immediately, mainly through his VAT rise and applied the spending cuts gradually. More accurately he extended his tax cutting plans from an initial five year period to a full two terms, meaning that by the General Election we will be less than half way towards the levels of cuts needed to 'balance the budget'.

    Osborne's gradualist approach to spending cuts has been clever both politically and economically. On the economics front, he has been able to optimise growth and thereby lessen the future burden and impact of spending cuts.

    Politically he has done enough to prove the credibility of his economic plan without having to apply excessively unpopular austerity. In 2015, the job will be half done and there will be a clear and relatively easy path to its completion.

    In this context, your claim that people will trust Labour to cut benefits only as far as necessary is questionable. It is Osborne who has mitigated the impact of cuts by re-phasing his plan from a five year to a ten year term. And both Labour and the Conservatives have to start from the same point in 2015. The planned cuts deferred will still have to be applied if the budget is to balance.

    What Labour can do is to challenge Osborne's ratio of 20% tax rises to 80% spending cuts. This would be quite acceptable economically given that almost all other countries have opted for a higher proportion for tax increases.

    But what Osborne has done is to associate his G7 leading rates of growth with the Plan A he originally adopted. Any proposal by Labour to increase taxes from 2015 onward would be seen (probably correctly from an economic view) as undermining growth.

    St. George is not only a saint but a very clever poker player too.

    On the subject of globalism being racist this is stretching my areas of competence beyond the bounds of credulity. You would need to explain further before I could attempt a useful reply.

  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,470
    When I worked full time in consumer electronics, the primary concerns were performance, cost and usability. As far as I could see repair did not come into the design thinking.

    Even then, most hardware repairs would be a case of replacing one module with another, if that.

    Software was different. Once an on-air software upgrade bricked thousands of people's boxes. The only way it could be fixed was to send vans around. They'd pick a unit up, giving the consumer a repaired on, reflash the box with new software in the back of the van, and then give the next consumer that one.

    You did not get 'your' unit back, but the one belonging to the previous person. AIUI they could do that because, in the contract, the boxes belonged to the company.

    The testing department did *much* more work on software upgrades after that ...
  • David MacKay's a good egg, and a very knowledgeable person that I generally listen to, even if I don't agree with him (annoyingly, he's more often right than my initial instincts allow).

    However, he's going a bit far on this. For one thing, the network of repair-people are not out there - the days when firms had people travelling around to fix things are long gone. Now it's more a case of sending the faulty item back, and getting a new one returned.


    Answer: we'll leave it until it gets annoying and buy a new one.

    Says the man who has a builder in (*) fitting a new washer-dryer this very morning ...

    (*) A very nice Peruvian man who has a science PhD. Blooming immigrants, coming here and fitting kitchens ...
    JJ been out for my morning walk so just seen your post.

    To add to the great body of PB anecdote my experience is much like yours. My dishwasher environmental sense to keep the old ones going ?

    And then there's the economic arguments......
    In the next village down from us is a small family run electrical goods and hardware shop. It's been there since before I can remember (I actually went to school with one of the grandsons of the owner back then). They used to run a thriving repair business, and were agents for some big brands, indeed they still are. The repair side is now all but defunct, because most things are virtually all unrepairable.
    They still stock belts, filters and items like that for Dysons, washing machines, driers and things, plus they do warranty work for more technical repairs such as new control boards, but that's about it. Pretty much everything else will get replaced and binned. Even high end gadgets don't get repaired, unless it's a cracked screen on an i gadget or smartphone, as its just not cost effective in labour and cost of spares.
    The one that annoys me regularly is why can't mobile phone manufacturers agree on a standard charging socket ?
    Mini USB seems pretty universal to me, leads are cheap (although I think cheap leads can seem to charge and transfer data slower? Not sure, might be one for Josias)
    Its only really Apple who like to make you pay for proprietary peripherals.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,779
    Breaking News UK ‏@BreakingNewsUK 47s
    Labour MP Paul Goggins has died in a Salford hospital a week after he collapsed - @MENnewsdesk http://bit.ly/1a7vmaU

    That's sad...

  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    "We also live in a disposable society culture and never mind expect, perhaps we desire that things don't last as we expect to upgrade to a newer / better model in x years, even if the old one was working perfectly adequately. (Not that this culture is universal)."

    Spot on. Herself bought a new kettle yesterday, there was nothing wrong with the old one - providing you wrapped a cloth around your hand when pouring boiling water - which wasn't more than twenty years old. She bought a new toaster last year too; to replace one we had been given as a wedding present and which worked perfectly as long as you liked either underdone or burnt toast. In thirty-odd years of marriage we have also replaced the washing machine twice and the fridge three times. Sheer reckless consumerism I call it, and damaging to the economy to boot.
  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    AveryLP said:

    @Innocent_Abroad

    I'm actually surprised that it's taken so long - globalisation was, after all, announced by Jimmy Carter during his presidency.

    Perhaps people will trust Labour to cut benefits only as far as necessary - the Tories may be suspected of cutting them further than that to further their own political agenda. BTW, does anyone have any data on the ethnicity of (a) working-age claimants and (b) pensioners by comparison with the population as a whole? If the figures are anything close to what I imagine them to be, they might explain a great deal.

    Globalization, as well as making universal welfare unaffordable, is the biggest driver of racism since the age of imperial conquests.


    It is all a matter of optimal balance, IA.

    Osborne, following Gurria at the OECD, opted for a fiscal consolidation plan with a ratio of tax rises to spending cuts of 20:80. This was at the top end of the splits adopted by other developed countries with similar deficit/debt problems to the UK.

    Osborne then imposed the tax rises immediately, mainly through his VAT rise and applied the spending cuts gradually. More accurately he extended his tax cutting plans from an initial five year period to a full two terms, meaning that by the General Election we will be less than half way towards the levels of cuts needed to 'balance the budget'.

    Osborne's gradualist approach to spending cuts has been clever both politically and economically. On the economics front, he has been able to optimise growth and thereby lessen the future burden and impact of spending cuts.

    I don' understand though why Osborne - making a speech he didn't need to make, went beyond affirming there would be more pressure on spending but singled out welfare the way he did.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    General Election 2010: Wythenshawe and Sale East[3]
    Party Candidate Votes % ±%
    Labour Paul Goggins 17,987 44.1 -8.0
    Conservative Janet Clowes 10,412 25.6 +3.3
    Liberal Democrat Martin Eakins 9,107 22.3 +0.9
    BNP Bernard Todd 1,572 3.9 N/A
    UKIP Christopher Cassidy 1,405 3.4 +0.4
    TUSC Lynn Worthington 268 0.7 +0.7
    Majority 7,575 18.6
    Turnout 40,751 54.3 +3.1
    Labour hold Swing 5.9
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited January 2014

    AveryLP said:

    Pulpstar said:

    JackW said:

    @JosiahJessop wrote :

    "(*) A very nice Peruvian man who has a science PhD. Blooming immigrants, coming here and fitting kitchens ..."

    Paddington Bear Kitchens ??

    He's heard all the jokes before. Many, many times ... ;-)

    He's an interesting bloke. His wife works as a scientist in Cambridge, whilst he gave up working in biology to be an odd-job man/builder. The reason is that he finds more satisfaction - and money - from completing jobs in a day or a few weeks, than he did from his science work, where results would not come for years.

    He says he's got a few weeks' work just rebuilding fences that have blown down in this wind. One guy's had 30 metres come down ...
    Had some tiles low off my roof over christmas. Now fixed.

    Great time to be a roofer. Terrible time to be an insurance company.
    I thought all roofers were shot during the Brownian purges of the mid noughties.

    Ha Mr Pole

    it looks like Owen Paterson has become trapped in a jam of his own making. Belgian presumably :-)

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2535563/Why-dont-YOU-buy-British-minister-Farmers-accuse-Government-hypocrisy-plea-shoppers-buy-foreign-food.html
    Always risky and difficult to run a "Buy British" campaign but I have been very impressed by the "Thank You" Farmers' ads linked to this new initiative.

    Were they done by Roger, I wonder, or does our leading Adman only do condoms, bras and German motor vehicles?

    I think we should be told.

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