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On the day that a Times poll has the Tories 13% ahead it will be Mail that will get the most attenti

SystemSystem Posts: 11,682
edited March 2021 in General
imageOn the day that a Times poll has the Tories 13% ahead it will be Mail that will get the most attention from ministers – politicalbetting.com

The big polling story of the year is YouGov in the Times reporting a post-budget lead of 13% for the Tories which is greater than the 11.8% vote margin that Johnson’s party achieved at GE2019. But it will be the Daily Mail front page that will most worry Downing Street. The paper’s Simon Walter reports:

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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,536
    edited March 2021
    First.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190
    Second insomniac
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190
    edited March 2021
    Just watching last nights Sky’s press preview, which featured Anna Soubry!

    A former Thatcherite, she’s turned into quite the socialist.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,123
    The real story here is which of those recently shown the Number 10 door is leaking this stuff. It is clearly part of a very personal war of revenge from a loser, trying to land some views.

    And what juicier stuff they have promised the Mail, to get them to run with this fluff as the main headline.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited March 2021
    Are we going to see another classic of this government, send out all the outriders to defend it, take all the political hit, then finally fudge a u-turn. I think we will see a back down on the UC covid premium being ended, the official opposition, RocNation, will be all over it with tales of poverty in the lead up to is removal in 6 months.

    BBC News - Covid-19: Starmer calls for bigger pay rise for NHS 'heroes'
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56288237
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    Nobody tell Leon....oh shit what have I done....

    We’ve discovered neurons in CLIP that respond to the same concept whether presented literally, symbolically, or conceptually. This may explain CLIP’s accuracy in classifying surprising visual renditions of concepts, and is also an important step toward understanding the associations and biases that CLIP and similar models learn.

    https://openai.com/blog/multimodal-neurons/
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,622
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,280
    Scientists have identified 16 cases of a new coronavirus variant in the UK, Public Health England (PHE) has announced.

    Cases of the variant, referred to as VUI-202102/04, were first identified on 15 February through genomic horizon scanning. PHE said on Thursday that all individuals who tested positive and their contacts have been traced and advised to isolate. The variant, which is understood to have originated in the UK, was designated a “variant under investigation” (VUI) on 24 February.

    Variants of Covid-19 can be identified as VUIs or “variants of concern” (VOCs). New variants emerge regularly and experts are conducting frequent analysis to see which are of concern, and which are not.

    The latest identified variant, also known as B.1.1.318, contains the E484K mutation, which is found in two other VUIs present in the UK, but it does not feature the N501Y mutation that is present in all VOCs, PHE said.

    The findings mean there are now four VUIs and four VOCs being tracked by scientists in the UK. Other VUIs include one from Brazil, known as P2, which has had 43 probable or confirmed cases identified in the UK, but is not causing scientists serious concern. PHE said that, as of Wednesday, a total of 26 cases of P2 had been found in England where no travel links could be established.

    Two further VUIs – dubbed A.23.1 with E484K and B.1.525 – have seen 78 and 86 probable or confirmed UK cases detected respectively. Both were first detected in the UK in December.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    The Wall Street Journal is reporting that a World Health Organization team investigating Covid’s origins is planning to scrap an interim report on its recent mission to China amid mounting tensions between Beijing and Washington over the investigation and an appeal from one international group of scientists for a new inquiry.

    It reports that a group of two dozen scientists have written an open letter calling for a new international inquiry, claiming that the WHO team that was in Wuhan last month had insufficient access to investigate conceivable sources of the virus, including a possible laboratory leak.
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,536
    FPT: Is it strange that the people who seem to be being dismissed by Google and the protagonists seem to be People of Colour disproportionately? I have no idea; not a debate I enjoy following.

    I do not know where eg Alex Hanna fits in the various race and gender classification schemes, which seem to be like race phrenology for numpties.

    Is this a parallel to the race war we are experiencing between the Labour-style recursive identity politics, and the Tory style appoint-the-good-ones (I am partisan in this debate). See for example the stuff wrt Kemi Badenoch.
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,124
    I think the press today and for a few more will be dominated by the Royals more than anything else. Either way some pricely wallpaper is unlikely to help Starmem much - however much some might wish it.
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    swing_voterswing_voter Posts: 1,435
    The wallpaper story may not harm Conservative brand...but i does hit BJ's. I have always felt that the Cons 1922 members have never been that pro-Boris, whilst it will not hit the party that hard I do feel that it might nudge BJ a bit closer to the (lucrative) exit -I am personally of the opinion he will not lead the party into the next GE.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,280

    The wallpaper story may not harm Conservative brand...but i does hit BJ's. I have always felt that the Cons 1922 members have never been that pro-Boris, whilst it will not hit the party that hard I do feel that it might nudge BJ a bit closer to the (lucrative) exit -I am personally of the opinion he will not lead the party into the next GE.

    That may well be right. Honesty and integrity, or rather their apparent absence, has always been key weak spots for the PM. In the news at the moment already are stories about his failure to deliver the commitments he made to business in Northern Ireland, his unilateral breaking of an international agreement in order to try and rescue said situation, and the quite obviously party political allocation of the towns funding within the Budget.

    Against this background a story about lavish (£200,000 on merely internal redecoration and furnishings???) spending which Boris is clearly trying to palm off on his party or party donors or some rumoured charity, because it’s against the rules to spend so much from the public coffers, presents a clear risk

    - because while people may not understand the intricacies of trade rules and international agreements and treasury budgeting, they sure can understand someone with an unexpectedly large credit card Bill desperately trying to get someone else to pay it off.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,280
    edited March 2021
    I was playing with that AI thingy, tasking it with coming up with Facebook content imagining I am standing for the council in May (I’m not, other than for the parish). Despite logging in via Facebook as myself, it’s pulling up a lot of content from other people in politics with the same or similar names. And its pitch is, shall we say, ‘Direct’; for example the following:

    “It’s everybody else’s fault that the town is in the state it’s in. Elect me to sort it out. I’ll put things right and make a difference.”

    It may be a while before it finds a use in political campaigning?
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    Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 12,998

    The wallpaper story may not harm Conservative brand...but i does hit BJ's. I have always felt that the Cons 1922 members have never been that pro-Boris, whilst it will not hit the party that hard I do feel that it might nudge BJ a bit closer to the (lucrative) exit -I am personally of the opinion he will not lead the party into the next GE.

    Johnson's hangers on occasionally forget that they don't share his morality distortion field. Dom thought he could brazen out the Barnard Castle Eye Test in the way that Johnson could but he was fatally wounded by the incident and gone in six months.

    CS is smoking more than just Johnson's cock if she thinks she enjoys a Johnsonian level of impunity with the media and public.

    #nutnutmustfall
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,232
    @IanB2

    ‘Apparent’ absence?

    Nothing ‘apparent’ about it.

    Unless you mean ‘ever more apparent.’
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,754
    Sturgeon resigned yet ?
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    tlg86 said:

    Just watching last nights Sky’s press preview, which featured Anna Soubry!

    A former Thatcherite, she’s turned into quite the socialist.

    We are all high tax, high spend, big government interventionists now....or at least that seems to be the polling reaction to McDonnell's, I mean Sunak budget.
    I don't think things have changed that much. Most voters don't do detail: the fiscal drag concept will have passed them by and all they'll probably have absorbed is 'more higher rate taxpayers = more people who are richer than me paying more tax.' That's what most people expect from high tax, high spend policies - that the spending should go on all sorts of cuddly causes that they approve of, but the tax should always come from somebody else. The reality of the situation won't dawn unless or until they start to notice the squeeze on their pay packets.

    None of this will impact upon the core vote, of course. Pensioners won't be affected by most of the tax changes and the gold-plated triple lock hasn't been touched. Working age homeowners will be compensated for paying a bit more tax with house value inflation.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,973
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,124

    The wallpaper story may not harm Conservative brand...but i does hit BJ's. I have always felt that the Cons 1922 members have never been that pro-Boris, whilst it will not hit the party that hard I do feel that it might nudge BJ a bit closer to the (lucrative) exit -I am personally of the opinion he will not lead the party into the next GE.

    I have said as much on several occasions.
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,124
    IanB2 said:

    The wallpaper story may not harm Conservative brand...but i does hit BJ's. I have always felt that the Cons 1922 members have never been that pro-Boris, whilst it will not hit the party that hard I do feel that it might nudge BJ a bit closer to the (lucrative) exit -I am personally of the opinion he will not lead the party into the next GE.

    That may well be right. Honesty and integrity, or rather their apparent absence, has always been key weak spots for the PM. In the news at the moment already are stories about his failure to deliver the commitments he made to business in Northern Ireland, his unilateral breaking of an international agreement in order to try and rescue said situation, and the quite obviously party political allocation of the towns funding within the Budget.

    Against this background a story about lavish (£200,000 on merely internal redecoration and furnishings???) spending which Boris is clearly trying to palm off on his party or party donors or some rumoured charity, because it’s against the rules to spend so much from the public coffers, presents a clear risk

    - because while people may not understand the intricacies of trade rules and international agreements and treasury budgeting, they sure can understand someone with an unexpectedly large credit card Bill desperately trying to get someone else to pay it off.
    Yup that is surely why his personal ratings are cratering and the Tories are crashing in the polls. Oh...!
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,280
    felix said:

    The wallpaper story may not harm Conservative brand...but i does hit BJ's. I have always felt that the Cons 1922 members have never been that pro-Boris, whilst it will not hit the party that hard I do feel that it might nudge BJ a bit closer to the (lucrative) exit -I am personally of the opinion he will not lead the party into the next GE.

    I have said as much on several occasions.
    Just sad that we’re effectively saying he will leave through greed, when in times past we would have expected a PM with so little integrity to be turfed out for dishonesty.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,280
    felix said:

    IanB2 said:

    The wallpaper story may not harm Conservative brand...but i does hit BJ's. I have always felt that the Cons 1922 members have never been that pro-Boris, whilst it will not hit the party that hard I do feel that it might nudge BJ a bit closer to the (lucrative) exit -I am personally of the opinion he will not lead the party into the next GE.

    That may well be right. Honesty and integrity, or rather their apparent absence, has always been key weak spots for the PM. In the news at the moment already are stories about his failure to deliver the commitments he made to business in Northern Ireland, his unilateral breaking of an international agreement in order to try and rescue said situation, and the quite obviously party political allocation of the towns funding within the Budget.

    Against this background a story about lavish (£200,000 on merely internal redecoration and furnishings???) spending which Boris is clearly trying to palm off on his party or party donors or some rumoured charity, because it’s against the rules to spend so much from the public coffers, presents a clear risk

    - because while people may not understand the intricacies of trade rules and international agreements and treasury budgeting, they sure can understand someone with an unexpectedly large credit card Bill desperately trying to get someone else to pay it off.
    Yup that is surely why his personal ratings are cratering and the Tories are crashing in the polls. Oh...!
    As I just said, people seem prepared to give politicians a free pass on stuff that would, in times past, have been instantly disqualifying. Cf. trump.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    IanB2 said:

    felix said:

    IanB2 said:

    The wallpaper story may not harm Conservative brand...but i does hit BJ's. I have always felt that the Cons 1922 members have never been that pro-Boris, whilst it will not hit the party that hard I do feel that it might nudge BJ a bit closer to the (lucrative) exit -I am personally of the opinion he will not lead the party into the next GE.

    That may well be right. Honesty and integrity, or rather their apparent absence, has always been key weak spots for the PM. In the news at the moment already are stories about his failure to deliver the commitments he made to business in Northern Ireland, his unilateral breaking of an international agreement in order to try and rescue said situation, and the quite obviously party political allocation of the towns funding within the Budget.

    Against this background a story about lavish (£200,000 on merely internal redecoration and furnishings???) spending which Boris is clearly trying to palm off on his party or party donors or some rumoured charity, because it’s against the rules to spend so much from the public coffers, presents a clear risk

    - because while people may not understand the intricacies of trade rules and international agreements and treasury budgeting, they sure can understand someone with an unexpectedly large credit card Bill desperately trying to get someone else to pay it off.
    Yup that is surely why his personal ratings are cratering and the Tories are crashing in the polls. Oh...!
    As I just said, people seem prepared to give politicians a free pass on stuff that would, in times past, have been instantly disqualifying. Cf. trump.
    You can say that with a straight face?

    What about Blair? From Ecclestone onwards it was transparent he was not a pretty straight sort of guy afterall.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,232
    malcolmg said:
    That’s a brilliant super cut. About 10 times an hour she pleaded forgetfulness?

    Strange that she hadn’t thought to check and bring the information with her...
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    edited March 2021
    GP-of-the-day on BBC Breakfast making some very valid points about the sunshine holiday obsession this morning - specifically, how it could well be entirely undone by the whole vaccine passport controversy. In short: how can you have sunshine holidays resuming in mid-May if travellers are going to need certification to go anywhere?

    Cyprus has been in the news this morning, where the Government has offered to let UK tourists back in from May if they can provide evidence that they've had both their shots.

    Problems:

    1. Much of population won't have had both jabs by then; some won't even have had the first. Travel contingent on vaccination will therefore discriminate blatantly against those who haven't yet had it.
    2. The aforementioned unvaccinated will then start bombarding surgeries with angry demands to be let to the front of the queue.
    3. The NHS doesn't have a system for issuing vaccination passports and doctors obviously don't have the time to be issuing millions and millions of individual certificates.

    I think the only way you get around that is with air bridges between the UK and other destinations where the virus is heavily suppressed, where both parties agree not to demand vaccine passports be produced to obtain entry. I'm not sure how workable that's going to be in principle given the current political climate; in practice, there will be precious few destinations available to visit that are likely to be as far advanced in their vaccination programs as the UK is come May/June time.

    I'm not at all sure that the Government thought of any of this before it drafted its timetable for dumping the restrictions. It could have to deal with a very large number of furious, thwarted tourists in a few months' time.
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,124

    IanB2 said:

    felix said:

    IanB2 said:

    The wallpaper story may not harm Conservative brand...but i does hit BJ's. I have always felt that the Cons 1922 members have never been that pro-Boris, whilst it will not hit the party that hard I do feel that it might nudge BJ a bit closer to the (lucrative) exit -I am personally of the opinion he will not lead the party into the next GE.

    That may well be right. Honesty and integrity, or rather their apparent absence, has always been key weak spots for the PM. In the news at the moment already are stories about his failure to deliver the commitments he made to business in Northern Ireland, his unilateral breaking of an international agreement in order to try and rescue said situation, and the quite obviously party political allocation of the towns funding within the Budget.

    Against this background a story about lavish (£200,000 on merely internal redecoration and furnishings???) spending which Boris is clearly trying to palm off on his party or party donors or some rumoured charity, because it’s against the rules to spend so much from the public coffers, presents a clear risk

    - because while people may not understand the intricacies of trade rules and international agreements and treasury budgeting, they sure can understand someone with an unexpectedly large credit card Bill desperately trying to get someone else to pay it off.
    Yup that is surely why his personal ratings are cratering and the Tories are crashing in the polls. Oh...!
    As I just said, people seem prepared to give politicians a free pass on stuff that would, in times past, have been instantly disqualifying. Cf. trump.
    You can say that with a straight face?

    What about Blair? From Ecclestone onwards it was transparent he was not a pretty straight sort of guy afterall.
    I think Johnson may go earlier of his own volition - I don't think he ever envisaged the year he has had with his personal illness and the impact of the pandemic. However, the commnetators on here obsessing about anaglypta, etc, is an indicator of why the Tories are so far ahead. We await thecomments predicting the end of the blue wave in 1 month/1 year/2 years .... the same arguments they've been trotting out since 2010 ad nauseam. The polling meanwhile.....
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    On topic: I don't see how this damages the PM. OK, so £200k on decorations sounds utterly absurd. To most normals it also sounds impossible. Gender politics comes into effect - most married men understand what its like when their better half pushes the button on spending cash for their project. And I suspect that many women reading it will treat the story with the same outraged anti-woman tone that all of the Mail's SHE'S FAT, WHAT UGLY CLOTHES, LOOK - CELLULITE! photo exclusives.

    Shagger dumped his wife and kids whilst she was having cancer treatment, knocked up the fling, shagged a musician on the side for good measure. And people still think "he's a lad". So there are no stories of basic ethics and morality that can get him. None.
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    Off-topic, can I say how much I enjoyed last night's discussion on AI. This site has become more fun since the Jezziah AI programme was switched back on. Especially as the 2019 election has been deleted from its programming.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,232

    Off-topic, can I say how much I enjoyed last night's discussion on AI. This site has become more fun since the Jezziah AI programme was switched back on. Especially as the 2019 election has been deleted from its programming.

    He really did go off on one, didn’t he?

    I think what it shows is that merely by keeping such fanatics a long way from power in Labour, Starmer is doing the country sterling service, whatever his other shortcomings.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,232
    Anderson this innings

    14-10-11-2

    Sensational stuff

    But that bugger Rohit’s still there.
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,536

    GP-of-the-day on BBC Breakfast making some very valid points about the sunshine holiday obsession this morning - specifically, how it could well be entirely undone by the whole vaccine passport controversy. In short: how can you have sunshine holidays resuming in mid-May if travellers are going to need certification to go anywhere?

    Cyprus has been in the news this morning, where the Government has offered to let UK tourists back in from May if they can provide evidence that they've had both their shots.

    Problems:

    1. Much of population won't have had both jabs by then; some won't even have had the first. Travel contingent on vaccination will therefore discriminate blatantly against those who haven't yet had it.
    2. The aforementioned unvaccinated will then start bombarding surgeries with angry demands to be let to the front of the queue.
    3. The NHS doesn't have a system for issuing vaccination passports and doctors obviously don't have the time to be issuing millions and millions of individual certificates.

    I think the only way you get around that is with air bridges between the UK and other destinations where the virus is heavily suppressed, where both parties agree not to demand vaccine passports be produced to obtain entry. I'm not sure how workable that's going to be in principle given the current political climate; in practice, there will be precious few destinations available to visit that are likely to be as far advanced in their vaccination programs as the UK is come May/June time.

    I'm not at all sure that the Government thought of any of this before it drafted its timetable for dumping the restrictions. It could have to deal with a very large number of furious, thwarted tourists in a few months' time.

    Is this not just the media bullshitting itself again?

    We get out of lockdown when we get out of lockdown. 17 May is rule of six indoors, and domestic hotel / B&B. Maybe. If we get through about 3 stages of review etc etc.

    GP of the Day is right.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,232
    MattW said:

    GP-of-the-day on BBC Breakfast making some very valid points about the sunshine holiday obsession this morning - specifically, how it could well be entirely undone by the whole vaccine passport controversy. In short: how can you have sunshine holidays resuming in mid-May if travellers are going to need certification to go anywhere?

    Cyprus has been in the news this morning, where the Government has offered to let UK tourists back in from May if they can provide evidence that they've had both their shots.

    Problems:

    1. Much of population won't have had both jabs by then; some won't even have had the first. Travel contingent on vaccination will therefore discriminate blatantly against those who haven't yet had it.
    2. The aforementioned unvaccinated will then start bombarding surgeries with angry demands to be let to the front of the queue.
    3. The NHS doesn't have a system for issuing vaccination passports and doctors obviously don't have the time to be issuing millions and millions of individual certificates.

    I think the only way you get around that is with air bridges between the UK and other destinations where the virus is heavily suppressed, where both parties agree not to demand vaccine passports be produced to obtain entry. I'm not sure how workable that's going to be in principle given the current political climate; in practice, there will be precious few destinations available to visit that are likely to be as far advanced in their vaccination programs as the UK is come May/June time.

    I'm not at all sure that the Government thought of any of this before it drafted its timetable for dumping the restrictions. It could have to deal with a very large number of furious, thwarted tourists in a few months' time.

    Is this not just the media bullshitting itself again?

    We get out of lockdown when we get out of lockdown. 17 May is rule of six indoors, and domestic hotel / B&B. Maybe. If we get through about 3 stages of review etc etc.

    GP of the Day is right.
    So is the government of Cyprus, TBF. I’d do exactly the same in their shoes.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    On topic: I don't see how this damages the PM. OK, so £200k on decorations sounds utterly absurd. To most normals it also sounds impossible. Gender politics comes into effect - most married men understand what its like when their better half pushes the button on spending cash for their project. And I suspect that many women reading it will treat the story with the same outraged anti-woman tone that all of the Mail's SHE'S FAT, WHAT UGLY CLOTHES, LOOK - CELLULITE! photo exclusives.

    Shagger dumped his wife and kids whilst she was having cancer treatment, knocked up the fling, shagged a musician on the side for good measure. And people still think "he's a lad". So there are no stories of basic ethics and morality that can get him. None.

    His wife kicked him out, he didn’t dump her.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    ydoethur said:

    Anderson this innings

    14-10-11-2

    Sensational stuff

    But that bugger Rohit’s still there.

    Anderson, Root and Stokes are our 3 'any era' world class players.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,232
    Pulpstar said:

    ydoethur said:

    Anderson this innings

    14-10-11-2

    Sensational stuff

    But that bugger Rohit’s still there.

    Anderson, Root and Stokes are our 3 'any era' world class players.
    Figures like that in India at the age of 38 are jut amazing.

    It also leaves you wondering if he might have had an even more illustrious career but for the chronic mismanagement he suffered from 2003 to 2008.

    We will miss him a lot when he retires.
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    kjhkjh Posts: 10,631
    Charles said:

    On topic: I don't see how this damages the PM. OK, so £200k on decorations sounds utterly absurd. To most normals it also sounds impossible. Gender politics comes into effect - most married men understand what its like when their better half pushes the button on spending cash for their project. And I suspect that many women reading it will treat the story with the same outraged anti-woman tone that all of the Mail's SHE'S FAT, WHAT UGLY CLOTHES, LOOK - CELLULITE! photo exclusives.

    Shagger dumped his wife and kids whilst she was having cancer treatment, knocked up the fling, shagged a musician on the side for good measure. And people still think "he's a lad". So there are no stories of basic ethics and morality that can get him. None.

    His wife kicked him out, he didn’t dump her.
    Dancing on a pin head.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Pulpstar said:

    ydoethur said:

    Anderson this innings

    14-10-11-2

    Sensational stuff

    But that bugger Rohit’s still there.

    Anderson, Root and Stokes are our 3 'any era' world class players.
    Broad must be up there too. We've been lucky to have Broad and Anderson playing together, like having McGrath and Warne at the same time.
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,536
    Interesting conversation wrt the Italy vaccine ban.

    Italy relying on "AZ in breach of contract" as an excuse, which they are not.
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    YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    edited March 2021
    Do we even know the wallpaper story is true?

    I mean, it always appears in the Daily Merkle.

    The standard protocol is to require 3 other independent & corroborating sources before entertaining the possibility that a DM story is not a 100% made-up bollocks.

    Just today, I look at the headlines in the DM & read:

    "How Boris and Carrie dined in style on secret gourmet takeaways ..."
    "Boris says kebabs are his favourite healthy meal ..."
    "Dolphins can catch COVID ..."
    "Meghan's friends play the race card ..."
    "Meghan, the Duchess of Woke ..."
    "Father cuts off daughter's head and carries it through the streets ..."
    "Selfish and vindictive property developer burns down home ..."
    "Rhinos can catch COVID ..."
    "Elsa Patacky snacks on cheetos .."

    Still, my favourite today is

    "Belgian cyclist who kneed five-year-old girl to the floor for blocking his path is ordered to pay just €1 compensation because of abuse he received on social media"

    All good rollicking fun .... but does anyone believe anything in the DM is actually true.
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,847
    edited March 2021
    kjh said:

    Charles said:

    On topic: I don't see how this damages the PM. OK, so £200k on decorations sounds utterly absurd. To most normals it also sounds impossible. Gender politics comes into effect - most married men understand what its like when their better half pushes the button on spending cash for their project. And I suspect that many women reading it will treat the story with the same outraged anti-woman tone that all of the Mail's SHE'S FAT, WHAT UGLY CLOTHES, LOOK - CELLULITE! photo exclusives.

    Shagger dumped his wife and kids whilst she was having cancer treatment, knocked up the fling, shagged a musician on the side for good measure. And people still think "he's a lad". So there are no stories of basic ethics and morality that can get him. None.

    His wife kicked him out, he didn’t dump her.
    Dancing on a pin head.
    I don’t believe Bozo dumped his wife whilst she was happening cancer treatment.

    Rather; he serially shagged around and she finally booted him out. By all accounts, relations with his children also broke down.

    And the cancer treatment came a bit later.
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,124
    MattW said:

    Interesting conversation wrt the Italy vaccine ban.

    Italy relying on "AZ in breach of contract" as an excuse, which they are not.

    What is even more shameful is how few of the vaccines they have have actually been used. The EU clusterfuck continues while here the outrage bus is encouraging serious political debate about wall coverings.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,672
    edited March 2021
    https://twitter.com/janemerrick23/status/1367738353676910592?s=20

    The Guernsey CMO has observed that with the B.117 variant we’ve seen far more in-household transmission than we did in the first wave.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56281064
    I'm afraid from the article it's very clear there are plenty of GPs who are clueless when it comes to the vaccine rollout and their role for Group6 in particular.
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,847
    felix said:

    MattW said:

    Interesting conversation wrt the Italy vaccine ban.

    Italy relying on "AZ in breach of contract" as an excuse, which they are not.

    What is even more shameful is how few of the vaccines they have have actually been used. The EU clusterfuck continues while here the outrage bus is encouraging serious political debate about wall coverings.
    It is possible to believe both are shameful, albeit different kinds of “sins”.

    Boris is our PM though. Thank goodness at least the Mail is trying to hold him to account.
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    YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172

    Still, since Geordie Grieg took over as editor at the Daily Merkle, there have been fewer stories along the lines of

    "Fury as asylum seeker receives a pair of gold-leaf underpants at public expense".

    But, the Merkle coverage has gone through the roof.

    One day last week. I counted 15 separate articles on Meghan in just one issue.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,967

    felix said:

    MattW said:

    Interesting conversation wrt the Italy vaccine ban.

    Italy relying on "AZ in breach of contract" as an excuse, which they are not.

    What is even more shameful is how few of the vaccines they have have actually been used. The EU clusterfuck continues while here the outrage bus is encouraging serious political debate about wall coverings.
    It is possible to believe both are shameful, albeit different kinds of “sins”.

    Boris is our PM though. Thank goodness at least the Mail is trying to hold him to account.
    But he's not spent any public money on it? The bigger scandal would have been had he chucked it on HMG's credit card.
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,847


    Still, since Geordie Grieg took over as editor at the Daily Merkle, there have been fewer stories along the lines of

    "Fury as asylum seeker receives a pair of gold-leaf underpants at public expense".

    But, the Merkle coverage has gone through the roof.

    One day last week. I counted 15 separate articles on Meghan in just one issue.

    Did you have to burn your clothes afterwards?

    The Mail’s main readership is post-menstrual curtain-twitchers who like hating on younger women.

    And Big G (for the sudoku).
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,847
    RobD said:

    felix said:

    MattW said:

    Interesting conversation wrt the Italy vaccine ban.

    Italy relying on "AZ in breach of contract" as an excuse, which they are not.

    What is even more shameful is how few of the vaccines they have have actually been used. The EU clusterfuck continues while here the outrage bus is encouraging serious political debate about wall coverings.
    It is possible to believe both are shameful, albeit different kinds of “sins”.

    Boris is our PM though. Thank goodness at least the Mail is trying to hold him to account.
    But he's not spent any public money on it? The bigger scandal would have been had he chucked it on HMG's credit card.
    It is not yet clear who and how it is being funded.

    Tory donors presumably, who will expect their pound of flesh in due course.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,967

    RobD said:

    felix said:

    MattW said:

    Interesting conversation wrt the Italy vaccine ban.

    Italy relying on "AZ in breach of contract" as an excuse, which they are not.

    What is even more shameful is how few of the vaccines they have have actually been used. The EU clusterfuck continues while here the outrage bus is encouraging serious political debate about wall coverings.
    It is possible to believe both are shameful, albeit different kinds of “sins”.

    Boris is our PM though. Thank goodness at least the Mail is trying to hold him to account.
    But he's not spent any public money on it? The bigger scandal would have been had he chucked it on HMG's credit card.
    It is not yet clear who and how it is being funded.

    Tory donors presumably, who will expect their pound of flesh in due course.
    Meh, that's not any different from people paying £10k to sit at a dinner table with the PM or minister. A bit grubby, perhaps, but scandalous?
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    kjhkjh Posts: 10,631
    I can't grasp how it is possible to spend £200k on a decoration unless you have more money than sense. I spent a similar amount between 2012 and 2014 but that got me a huge oak porch, a large extension to the garage, new heating to 17 room house, a massive patio, a concrete raised pond demolished and filled in, new natural style pond dug, new oak staircase, walls demolished and new walls built with several beams, 4 bathrooms bought and fitted and a kitchen and utility room, etc, etc.

    Oh and decorated.

    A couple of years ago we bought a terrace house in Southwold. Gutted, new kitchen, bathroom, electrics and heating for about £20k.

    Oh and decorated.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,967
    kjh said:

    I can't grasp how it is possible to spend £200k on a decoration unless you have more money than sense. I spent a similar amount between 2012 and 2014 but that got me a huge oak porch, a large extension to the garage, new heating to 17 room house, a massive patio, a concrete raised pond demolished and filled in, new natural style pond dug, new oak staircase, walls demolished and new walls built with several beams, 4 bathrooms bought and fitted and a kitchen and utility room, etc, etc.

    Oh and decorated.

    A couple of years ago we bought a terrace house in Southwold. Gutted, new kitchen, bathroom, electrics and heating for about £20k.

    Oh and decorated.

    Admit it, you just made this comment for the humblebrag about your £200k refurb. ;)
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    Still, since Geordie Grieg took over as editor at the Daily Merkle, there have been fewer stories along the lines of

    "Fury as asylum seeker receives a pair of gold-leaf underpants at public expense".

    But, the Merkle coverage has gone through the roof.

    One day last week. I counted 15 separate articles on Meghan in just one issue.

    Did you have to burn your clothes afterwards?

    The Mail’s main readership is post-menstrual curtain-twitchers who like hating on younger women.

    And Big G (for the sudoku).
    The Daily Mail is the greatest newspaper in the country. It knows precisely what its readers want to read and what pictures they want to see, and it precisely delivers weaponised hate stories onto their outrage nerve.

    Ultimately the purpose of a newspaper is to make money. They do a fantastic job of that.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,629


    Still, since Geordie Grieg took over as editor at the Daily Merkle, there have been fewer stories along the lines of

    "Fury as asylum seeker receives a pair of gold-leaf underpants at public expense".

    But, the Merkle coverage has gone through the roof.

    One day last week. I counted 15 separate articles on Meghan in just one issue.

    Hell hath no fury like a Royalist scorned...
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    felix said:

    MattW said:

    Interesting conversation wrt the Italy vaccine ban.

    Italy relying on "AZ in breach of contract" as an excuse, which they are not.

    What is even more shameful is how few of the vaccines they have have actually been used. The EU clusterfuck continues while here the outrage bus is encouraging serious political debate about wall coverings.
    It is possible to believe both are shameful, albeit different kinds of “sins”.

    Boris is our PM though. Thank goodness at least the Mail is trying to hold him to account.
    Thank goodness for the Mail? LOL.

    I think your GPT-3 programming needs a reboot. This shouldn't have made it past the filter.
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,847


    Still, since Geordie Grieg took over as editor at the Daily Merkle, there have been fewer stories along the lines of

    "Fury as asylum seeker receives a pair of gold-leaf underpants at public expense".

    But, the Merkle coverage has gone through the roof.

    One day last week. I counted 15 separate articles on Meghan in just one issue.

    Did you have to burn your clothes afterwards?

    The Mail’s main readership is post-menstrual curtain-twitchers who like hating on younger women.

    And Big G (for the sudoku).
    The Daily Mail is the greatest newspaper in the country. It knows precisely what its readers want to read and what pictures they want to see, and it precisely delivers weaponised hate stories onto their outrage nerve.

    Ultimately the purpose of a newspaper is to make money. They do a fantastic job of that.
    Sure.
    And it has a baleful effect on public life, and makes its readers miserable.

    But it is right to call out Princess Nut-nuts’ Marie Antoinette delusions.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,296
    edited March 2021


    Still, since Geordie Grieg took over as editor at the Daily Merkle, there have been fewer stories along the lines of

    "Fury as asylum seeker receives a pair of gold-leaf underpants at public expense".

    But, the Merkle coverage has gone through the roof.

    One day last week. I counted 15 separate articles on Meghan in just one issue.

    Did you have to burn your clothes afterwards?

    The Mail’s main readership is post-menstrual curtain-twitchers who like hating on younger women.

    And Big G (for the sudoku).
    Why bring me into it

    I rarely read the mail and to be honest it is competing with the express for gossip stories and a vendetta against Megan justified or not

    Your generalisation about its readers is misogynistic and nasty

    And it is my wife who does the puzzles and that is the only reason I continue paying the £9.99 per month sub
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    eekeek Posts: 24,980


    Still, since Geordie Grieg took over as editor at the Daily Merkle, there have been fewer stories along the lines of

    "Fury as asylum seeker receives a pair of gold-leaf underpants at public expense".

    But, the Merkle coverage has gone through the roof.

    One day last week. I counted 15 separate articles on Meghan in just one issue.

    Did you have to burn your clothes afterwards?

    The Mail’s main readership is post-menstrual curtain-twitchers who like hating on younger women.

    And Big G (for the sudoku).
    The Daily Mail is the greatest newspaper in the country. It knows precisely what its readers want to read and what pictures they want to see, and it precisely delivers weaponised hate stories onto their outrage nerve.

    Ultimately the purpose of a newspaper is to make money. They do a fantastic job of that.
    Sure.
    And it has a baleful effect on public life, and makes its readers miserable.

    But it is right to call out Princess Nut-nuts’ Marie Antoinette delusions.
    The readers can't be that miserable as they continue to buy it .

    Heck my parents do as it gives them something to moan about.
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,847
    eek said:


    Still, since Geordie Grieg took over as editor at the Daily Merkle, there have been fewer stories along the lines of

    "Fury as asylum seeker receives a pair of gold-leaf underpants at public expense".

    But, the Merkle coverage has gone through the roof.

    One day last week. I counted 15 separate articles on Meghan in just one issue.

    Did you have to burn your clothes afterwards?

    The Mail’s main readership is post-menstrual curtain-twitchers who like hating on younger women.

    And Big G (for the sudoku).
    The Daily Mail is the greatest newspaper in the country. It knows precisely what its readers want to read and what pictures they want to see, and it precisely delivers weaponised hate stories onto their outrage nerve.

    Ultimately the purpose of a newspaper is to make money. They do a fantastic job of that.
    Sure.
    And it has a baleful effect on public life, and makes its readers miserable.

    But it is right to call out Princess Nut-nuts’ Marie Antoinette delusions.
    The readers can't be that miserable as they continue to buy it .

    Heck my parents do as it gives them something to moan about.
    It’s a low brow Radio 4.

    Everything is always awful in Daily Mail (and Radio 4) world.
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    eek said:


    Still, since Geordie Grieg took over as editor at the Daily Merkle, there have been fewer stories along the lines of

    "Fury as asylum seeker receives a pair of gold-leaf underpants at public expense".

    But, the Merkle coverage has gone through the roof.

    One day last week. I counted 15 separate articles on Meghan in just one issue.

    Did you have to burn your clothes afterwards?

    The Mail’s main readership is post-menstrual curtain-twitchers who like hating on younger women.

    And Big G (for the sudoku).
    The Daily Mail is the greatest newspaper in the country. It knows precisely what its readers want to read and what pictures they want to see, and it precisely delivers weaponised hate stories onto their outrage nerve.

    Ultimately the purpose of a newspaper is to make money. They do a fantastic job of that.
    Sure.
    And it has a baleful effect on public life, and makes its readers miserable.

    But it is right to call out Princess Nut-nuts’ Marie Antoinette delusions.
    The readers can't be that miserable as they continue to buy it .

    Heck my parents do as it gives them something to moan about.
    It’s a low brow Radio 4.

    Everything is always awful in Daily Mail (and Radio 4) world.
    I assume for you to be such an expert on the daily mail you buy and read it yourself
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    eek said:


    Still, since Geordie Grieg took over as editor at the Daily Merkle, there have been fewer stories along the lines of

    "Fury as asylum seeker receives a pair of gold-leaf underpants at public expense".

    But, the Merkle coverage has gone through the roof.

    One day last week. I counted 15 separate articles on Meghan in just one issue.

    Did you have to burn your clothes afterwards?

    The Mail’s main readership is post-menstrual curtain-twitchers who like hating on younger women.

    And Big G (for the sudoku).
    The Daily Mail is the greatest newspaper in the country. It knows precisely what its readers want to read and what pictures they want to see, and it precisely delivers weaponised hate stories onto their outrage nerve.

    Ultimately the purpose of a newspaper is to make money. They do a fantastic job of that.
    Sure.
    And it has a baleful effect on public life, and makes its readers miserable.

    But it is right to call out Princess Nut-nuts’ Marie Antoinette delusions.
    The readers can't be that miserable as they continue to buy it .

    Heck my parents do as it gives them something to moan about.
    It’s a low brow Radio 4.

    Everything is always awful in Daily Mail (and Radio 4) world.
    And you're transitioning into buying into its claptrap.

    The warning signs are there. Are you going to step back from the edge or go into a full DM descent into darkness?
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,536

    eek said:


    Still, since Geordie Grieg took over as editor at the Daily Merkle, there have been fewer stories along the lines of

    "Fury as asylum seeker receives a pair of gold-leaf underpants at public expense".

    But, the Merkle coverage has gone through the roof.

    One day last week. I counted 15 separate articles on Meghan in just one issue.

    Did you have to burn your clothes afterwards?

    The Mail’s main readership is post-menstrual curtain-twitchers who like hating on younger women.

    And Big G (for the sudoku).
    The Daily Mail is the greatest newspaper in the country. It knows precisely what its readers want to read and what pictures they want to see, and it precisely delivers weaponised hate stories onto their outrage nerve.

    Ultimately the purpose of a newspaper is to make money. They do a fantastic job of that.
    Sure.
    And it has a baleful effect on public life, and makes its readers miserable.

    But it is right to call out Princess Nut-nuts’ Marie Antoinette delusions.
    The readers can't be that miserable as they continue to buy it .

    Heck my parents do as it gives them something to moan about.
    It’s a low brow Radio 4.

    Everything is always awful in Daily Mail (and Radio 4) world.
    I wonder how many of those "bikini's like xxx's" they sell to post-menstrual curtain twitchers.
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,847

    eek said:


    Still, since Geordie Grieg took over as editor at the Daily Merkle, there have been fewer stories along the lines of

    "Fury as asylum seeker receives a pair of gold-leaf underpants at public expense".

    But, the Merkle coverage has gone through the roof.

    One day last week. I counted 15 separate articles on Meghan in just one issue.

    Did you have to burn your clothes afterwards?

    The Mail’s main readership is post-menstrual curtain-twitchers who like hating on younger women.

    And Big G (for the sudoku).
    The Daily Mail is the greatest newspaper in the country. It knows precisely what its readers want to read and what pictures they want to see, and it precisely delivers weaponised hate stories onto their outrage nerve.

    Ultimately the purpose of a newspaper is to make money. They do a fantastic job of that.
    Sure.
    And it has a baleful effect on public life, and makes its readers miserable.

    But it is right to call out Princess Nut-nuts’ Marie Antoinette delusions.
    The readers can't be that miserable as they continue to buy it .

    Heck my parents do as it gives them something to moan about.
    It’s a low brow Radio 4.

    Everything is always awful in Daily Mail (and Radio 4) world.
    I assume for you to be such an expert on the daily mail you buy and read it yourself
    I occasionally find myself doom scrolling the sidebar of shame, it’s true.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,973
    RobD said:

    felix said:

    MattW said:

    Interesting conversation wrt the Italy vaccine ban.

    Italy relying on "AZ in breach of contract" as an excuse, which they are not.

    What is even more shameful is how few of the vaccines they have have actually been used. The EU clusterfuck continues while here the outrage bus is encouraging serious political debate about wall coverings.
    It is possible to believe both are shameful, albeit different kinds of “sins”.

    Boris is our PM though. Thank goodness at least the Mail is trying to hold him to account.
    But he's not spent any public money on it? The bigger scandal would have been had he chucked it on HMG's credit card.
    Is the bill still sitting on the hall table then
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,967
    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    felix said:

    MattW said:

    Interesting conversation wrt the Italy vaccine ban.

    Italy relying on "AZ in breach of contract" as an excuse, which they are not.

    What is even more shameful is how few of the vaccines they have have actually been used. The EU clusterfuck continues while here the outrage bus is encouraging serious political debate about wall coverings.
    It is possible to believe both are shameful, albeit different kinds of “sins”.

    Boris is our PM though. Thank goodness at least the Mail is trying to hold him to account.
    But he's not spent any public money on it? The bigger scandal would have been had he chucked it on HMG's credit card.
    Is the bill still sitting on the hall table then
    I dunno, did they get one of those with the 200k?
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,847
    MattW said:

    eek said:


    Still, since Geordie Grieg took over as editor at the Daily Merkle, there have been fewer stories along the lines of

    "Fury as asylum seeker receives a pair of gold-leaf underpants at public expense".

    But, the Merkle coverage has gone through the roof.

    One day last week. I counted 15 separate articles on Meghan in just one issue.

    Did you have to burn your clothes afterwards?

    The Mail’s main readership is post-menstrual curtain-twitchers who like hating on younger women.

    And Big G (for the sudoku).
    The Daily Mail is the greatest newspaper in the country. It knows precisely what its readers want to read and what pictures they want to see, and it precisely delivers weaponised hate stories onto their outrage nerve.

    Ultimately the purpose of a newspaper is to make money. They do a fantastic job of that.
    Sure.
    And it has a baleful effect on public life, and makes its readers miserable.

    But it is right to call out Princess Nut-nuts’ Marie Antoinette delusions.
    The readers can't be that miserable as they continue to buy it .

    Heck my parents do as it gives them something to moan about.
    It’s a low brow Radio 4.

    Everything is always awful in Daily Mail (and Radio 4) world.
    I wonder how many of those "bikini's like xxx's" they sell to post-menstrual curtain twitchers.
    Those ads are only there to make the readers tut about the flimsiness and the price.

    And the readers’ husbands to dream about their younger days.
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,536
    edited March 2021
    RobD said:

    kjh said:

    I can't grasp how it is possible to spend £200k on a decoration unless you have more money than sense. I spent a similar amount between 2012 and 2014 but that got me a huge oak porch, a large extension to the garage, new heating to 17 room house, a massive patio, a concrete raised pond demolished and filled in, new natural style pond dug, new oak staircase, walls demolished and new walls built with several beams, 4 bathrooms bought and fitted and a kitchen and utility room, etc, etc.

    Oh and decorated.

    A couple of years ago we bought a terrace house in Southwold. Gutted, new kitchen, bathroom, electrics and heating for about £20k.

    Oh and decorated.

    Admit it, you just made this comment for the humblebrag about your £200k refurb. ;)
    Point of order.

    Why does a "raised" pond need to be filled in after it has been demolished?

    Certainly 200k on a redesign (if that's what it is) no deeper than the paint is extravagant.

    Though the Mail are careful to say "may" cost.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,973
    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    felix said:

    MattW said:

    Interesting conversation wrt the Italy vaccine ban.

    Italy relying on "AZ in breach of contract" as an excuse, which they are not.

    What is even more shameful is how few of the vaccines they have have actually been used. The EU clusterfuck continues while here the outrage bus is encouraging serious political debate about wall coverings.
    It is possible to believe both are shameful, albeit different kinds of “sins”.

    Boris is our PM though. Thank goodness at least the Mail is trying to hold him to account.
    But he's not spent any public money on it? The bigger scandal would have been had he chucked it on HMG's credit card.
    Is the bill still sitting on the hall table then
    I dunno, did they get one of those with the 200k?
    Some poor sod is down 200K and I presume would like the bill paid. I am sure a future Lord will be along soon to settle up and bag his gong.
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    kjhkjh Posts: 10,631
    RobD said:

    kjh said:

    I can't grasp how it is possible to spend £200k on a decoration unless you have more money than sense. I spent a similar amount between 2012 and 2014 but that got me a huge oak porch, a large extension to the garage, new heating to 17 room house, a massive patio, a concrete raised pond demolished and filled in, new natural style pond dug, new oak staircase, walls demolished and new walls built with several beams, 4 bathrooms bought and fitted and a kitchen and utility room, etc, etc.

    Oh and decorated.

    A couple of years ago we bought a terrace house in Southwold. Gutted, new kitchen, bathroom, electrics and heating for about £20k.

    Oh and decorated.

    Admit it, you just made this comment for the humblebrag about your £200k refurb. ;)
    Nope. I suspect there are several on here who can outbrag me. I know I am lucky to be able to afford it, but how else do you make the point that £200k on a flat is ridiculous.

    I am also retired. It is the consequence of two well paid older individuals who aren't gullible and waste money on overpriced stuff.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    kjh said:

    Charles said:

    On topic: I don't see how this damages the PM. OK, so £200k on decorations sounds utterly absurd. To most normals it also sounds impossible. Gender politics comes into effect - most married men understand what its like when their better half pushes the button on spending cash for their project. And I suspect that many women reading it will treat the story with the same outraged anti-woman tone that all of the Mail's SHE'S FAT, WHAT UGLY CLOTHES, LOOK - CELLULITE! photo exclusives.

    Shagger dumped his wife and kids whilst she was having cancer treatment, knocked up the fling, shagged a musician on the side for good measure. And people still think "he's a lad". So there are no stories of basic ethics and morality that can get him. None.

    His wife kicked him out, he didn’t dump her.
    Dancing on a pin head.
    I wasn’t arguing about the other points. Just making a minor correction. She has had enough and told him to sod off just after their youngest turned 18.

    Good on her.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,123

    Sturgeon resigned yet ?

    Have all the relevant documents been delivered yet?
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758


    Still, since Geordie Grieg took over as editor at the Daily Merkle, there have been fewer stories along the lines of

    "Fury as asylum seeker receives a pair of gold-leaf underpants at public expense".

    But, the Merkle coverage has gone through the roof.

    One day last week. I counted 15 separate articles on Meghan in just one issue.

    Did you have to burn your clothes afterwards?

    The Mail’s main readership is post-menstrual curtain-twitchers who like hating on younger women.

    And Big G (for the sudoku).
    Why bring me into it

    I rarely read the mail and to be honest it is competing with the express for gossip stories and a vendetta against Megan justified or not

    Your generalisation about its readers is misogynistic and nasty

    And it is my wife who does the puzzles and that is the only reason I continue paying the £9.99 per month sub
    You do know you can but books of sudoku puzzles much cheaper?
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,847
    Charles said:

    kjh said:

    Charles said:

    On topic: I don't see how this damages the PM. OK, so £200k on decorations sounds utterly absurd. To most normals it also sounds impossible. Gender politics comes into effect - most married men understand what its like when their better half pushes the button on spending cash for their project. And I suspect that many women reading it will treat the story with the same outraged anti-woman tone that all of the Mail's SHE'S FAT, WHAT UGLY CLOTHES, LOOK - CELLULITE! photo exclusives.

    Shagger dumped his wife and kids whilst she was having cancer treatment, knocked up the fling, shagged a musician on the side for good measure. And people still think "he's a lad". So there are no stories of basic ethics and morality that can get him. None.

    His wife kicked him out, he didn’t dump her.
    Dancing on a pin head.
    I wasn’t arguing about the other points. Just making a minor correction. She has had enough and told him to sod off just after their youngest turned 18.

    Good on her.
    Coincidentally, Marina Wheeler has moved into the neighbourhood. I saw her out cycling along the canal last Saturday morning in the sunshine. She looked very happy.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Cricket has been very slow after lunch. Seem to have been a lot of maidens today.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,216
    #wallpapergate
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,536
    edited March 2021

    Do we even know the wallpaper story is true?

    I mean, it always appears in the Daily Merkle.

    The standard protocol is to require 3 other independent & corroborating sources before entertaining the possibility that a DM story is not a 100% made-up bollocks.

    Just today, I look at the headlines in the DM & read:

    "How Boris and Carrie dined in style on secret gourmet takeaways ..."
    "Boris says kebabs are his favourite healthy meal ..."
    "Dolphins can catch COVID ..."
    "Meghan's friends play the race card ..."
    "Meghan, the Duchess of Woke ..."
    "Father cuts off daughter's head and carries it through the streets ..."
    "Selfish and vindictive property developer burns down home ..."
    "Rhinos can catch COVID ..."
    "Elsa Patacky snacks on cheetos .."

    Still, my favourite today is

    "Belgian cyclist who kneed five-year-old girl to the floor for blocking his path is ordered to pay just €1 compensation because of abuse he received on social media"

    All good rollicking fun .... but does anyone believe anything in the DM is actually true.

    It's anti-Boris so all the Corbynistas will have the Mail as an authoritative source for the next 8 hours, then in future it will all be referenced from the Guardian as that is deemed trustworthy after they do a "it has been reported" story under a "Boris spends 200k from private donors on Decoration" headline :smile: .

    And only the headline will appear on Twitter.

    How the media works. Innit.
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    NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 3,347
    Having been involved in many posh house refurbishments, £200,000 is not a lot.

    The USA is spending £4 billion on the new Air Force and we get our knickers in a twist on spending £200,000 on the home of our PM.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,990
    Morning all. Slightly more springlike this morning, and the cricket looks a bit better. Although I be a lot happier when this pair have gone.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,629
    RobD said:

    felix said:

    MattW said:

    Interesting conversation wrt the Italy vaccine ban.

    Italy relying on "AZ in breach of contract" as an excuse, which they are not.

    What is even more shameful is how few of the vaccines they have have actually been used. The EU clusterfuck continues while here the outrage bus is encouraging serious political debate about wall coverings.
    It is possible to believe both are shameful, albeit different kinds of “sins”.

    Boris is our PM though. Thank goodness at least the Mail is trying to hold him to account.
    But he's not spent any public money on it? The bigger scandal would have been had he chucked it on HMG's credit card.
    What, like the sum twice what Carrie has ordered being paid to a Civil Servant to settle bullying claims at the Home Office?
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,123

    RobD said:

    felix said:

    MattW said:

    Interesting conversation wrt the Italy vaccine ban.

    Italy relying on "AZ in breach of contract" as an excuse, which they are not.

    What is even more shameful is how few of the vaccines they have have actually been used. The EU clusterfuck continues while here the outrage bus is encouraging serious political debate about wall coverings.
    It is possible to believe both are shameful, albeit different kinds of “sins”.

    Boris is our PM though. Thank goodness at least the Mail is trying to hold him to account.
    But he's not spent any public money on it? The bigger scandal would have been had he chucked it on HMG's credit card.
    It is not yet clear who and how it is being funded.

    Tory donors presumably, who will expect their pound of flesh in due course.
    I'm sure a series of £5k a plate dinners in the intimate surroundings of newly refurbed Number 10 will sell out within the hour.

    Which is why I am very dubious about the "it can't be paid for" reasons behind running this story.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,629

    RobD said:

    felix said:

    MattW said:

    Interesting conversation wrt the Italy vaccine ban.

    Italy relying on "AZ in breach of contract" as an excuse, which they are not.

    What is even more shameful is how few of the vaccines they have have actually been used. The EU clusterfuck continues while here the outrage bus is encouraging serious political debate about wall coverings.
    It is possible to believe both are shameful, albeit different kinds of “sins”.

    Boris is our PM though. Thank goodness at least the Mail is trying to hold him to account.
    But he's not spent any public money on it? The bigger scandal would have been had he chucked it on HMG's credit card.
    It is not yet clear who and how it is being funded.

    Tory donors presumably, who will expect their pound of flesh in due course.
    I'm sure a series of £5k a plate dinners in the intimate surroundings of newly refurbed Number 10 will sell out within the hour.

    Which is why I am very dubious about the "it can't be paid for" reasons behind running this story.
    Do the tickets have to be paid for with used notes in brown envelopes? Asking for a friend wanting a government contract.
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    YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    edited March 2021
    kjh said:

    RobD said:

    kjh said:

    I can't grasp how it is possible to spend £200k on a decoration unless you have more money than sense. I spent a similar amount between 2012 and 2014 but that got me a huge oak porch, a large extension to the garage, new heating to 17 room house, a massive patio, a concrete raised pond demolished and filled in, new natural style pond dug, new oak staircase, walls demolished and new walls built with several beams, 4 bathrooms bought and fitted and a kitchen and utility room, etc, etc.

    Oh and decorated.

    A couple of years ago we bought a terrace house in Southwold. Gutted, new kitchen, bathroom, electrics and heating for about £20k.

    Oh and decorated.

    Admit it, you just made this comment for the humblebrag about your £200k refurb. ;)
    Nope. I suspect there are several on here who can outbrag me. I know I am lucky to be able to afford it, but how else do you make the point that £200k on a flat is ridiculous.

    I am also retired. It is the consequence of two well paid older individuals who aren't gullible and waste money on overpriced stuff.
    You have certainly opened up a completely new direction for the blog, as fine dining, bespoke tailoring & premier skiing resorts were getting a little dull.

    I am hoping that we will get some more posts along these lines today.

    I restored the battle ramparts on my Grade 1 listed Welsh castle, cleaned the moat, replaced the drawbridge, rebuilt the North Tower, upgraded the stonework on the northern facade and re-plumbed the ancient latrines.

    And decorated the Great Hall. All for under 200k.

    I realise I am lucky, but I did not waste my money buying drugs and copies of the Daily Merkle.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    1% for the NHS
    £200,000 for Carrie

    They say power corrupts, but this was quick.
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,536

    MattW said:

    eek said:


    Still, since Geordie Grieg took over as editor at the Daily Merkle, there have been fewer stories along the lines of

    "Fury as asylum seeker receives a pair of gold-leaf underpants at public expense".

    But, the Merkle coverage has gone through the roof.

    One day last week. I counted 15 separate articles on Meghan in just one issue.

    Did you have to burn your clothes afterwards?

    The Mail’s main readership is post-menstrual curtain-twitchers who like hating on younger women.

    And Big G (for the sudoku).
    The Daily Mail is the greatest newspaper in the country. It knows precisely what its readers want to read and what pictures they want to see, and it precisely delivers weaponised hate stories onto their outrage nerve.

    Ultimately the purpose of a newspaper is to make money. They do a fantastic job of that.
    Sure.
    And it has a baleful effect on public life, and makes its readers miserable.

    But it is right to call out Princess Nut-nuts’ Marie Antoinette delusions.
    The readers can't be that miserable as they continue to buy it .

    Heck my parents do as it gives them something to moan about.
    It’s a low brow Radio 4.

    Everything is always awful in Daily Mail (and Radio 4) world.
    I wonder how many of those "bikini's like xxx's" they sell to post-menstrual curtain twitchers.
    Those ads are only there to make the readers tut about the flimsiness and the price.

    And the readers’ husbands to dream about their younger days.
    Not sure. If it's like Amazon (and if it is still the same) it gives the Mail commission on anything you buy for the next period of time (used to be I think 30 days). Subject perhaps to following clicks erasing the cookie.

    An affiliate marketing trick has always been to tease people to one of their regular sites then get the followup commission.

    I've always treated that as a key part of the DM online revenue. They are up to a couple of hundred million a year or more.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,672
    malcolmg said:
    Great to see Malc posting stuff from the Scottish Conservatives - go on unleash your inner Tory!

    https://twitter.com/ScotTories/status/1367542180307435525?s=20
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,983
    Good morning, everyone.

    Redecorate? We used to dream of redecorating. We had same carpet for 300 years.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,123

    Good morning, everyone.

    Redecorate? We used to dream of redecorating. We had same carpet for 300 years.

    Carpet? Pfft.....
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,536
    edited March 2021

    Good morning, everyone.

    Redecorate? We used to dream of redecorating. We had same carpet for 300 years.

    Yes, Your Grace.

    Perhaps the DM thing is a pitch for a photoshoot.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    Scott_xP said:
    Decorating and whitewashing bills add up?
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    kjhkjh Posts: 10,631
    edited March 2021
    MattW said:

    RobD said:

    kjh said:

    I can't grasp how it is possible to spend £200k on a decoration unless you have more money than sense. I spent a similar amount between 2012 and 2014 but that got me a huge oak porch, a large extension to the garage, new heating to 17 room house, a massive patio, a concrete raised pond demolished and filled in, new natural style pond dug, new oak staircase, walls demolished and new walls built with several beams, 4 bathrooms bought and fitted and a kitchen and utility room, etc, etc.

    Oh and decorated.

    A couple of years ago we bought a terrace house in Southwold. Gutted, new kitchen, bathroom, electrics and heating for about £20k.

    Oh and decorated.

    Admit it, you just made this comment for the humblebrag about your £200k refurb. ;)
    Point of order.

    Why does a "raised" pond need to be filled in after it has been demolished?

    Certainly 200k on a redesign (if that's what it is) no deeper than the paint is extravagant.

    Though the Mail are careful to say "may" cost.
    I can provide the full schedule of works if you want 😁

    But in answer to the specific it was both above and below ground level with a gastly statue in the middle with a fountain that ate electricity. It was set in a large sunken area with rockery around the edge. A new environmentally friendly pond was built elsewhere. The water pumped from one to the others. A bulldozer then transferred the concrete as foundations to the patio and lorry loads of top soil filled the hole.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,216
    Scott_xP said:
    Hancock trying to undermine fellow leadership candidate Sunak the day after the budget.

    Surely not.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    MattW said:

    eek said:


    Still, since Geordie Grieg took over as editor at the Daily Merkle, there have been fewer stories along the lines of

    "Fury as asylum seeker receives a pair of gold-leaf underpants at public expense".

    But, the Merkle coverage has gone through the roof.

    One day last week. I counted 15 separate articles on Meghan in just one issue.

    Did you have to burn your clothes afterwards?

    The Mail’s main readership is post-menstrual curtain-twitchers who like hating on younger women.

    And Big G (for the sudoku).
    The Daily Mail is the greatest newspaper in the country. It knows precisely what its readers want to read and what pictures they want to see, and it precisely delivers weaponised hate stories onto their outrage nerve.

    Ultimately the purpose of a newspaper is to make money. They do a fantastic job of that.
    Sure.
    And it has a baleful effect on public life, and makes its readers miserable.

    But it is right to call out Princess Nut-nuts’ Marie Antoinette delusions.
    The readers can't be that miserable as they continue to buy it .

    Heck my parents do as it gives them something to moan about.
    It’s a low brow Radio 4.

    Everything is always awful in Daily Mail (and Radio 4) world.
    I wonder how many of those "bikini's like xxx's" they sell to post-menstrual curtain twitchers.
    Those ads are only there to make the readers tut about the flimsiness and the price.

    And the readers’ husbands to dream about their younger days.
    Fantastise not dream about their younger days I suspect...
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,601
    RobD said:

    kjh said:

    I can't grasp how it is possible to spend £200k on a decoration unless you have more money than sense. I spent a similar amount between 2012 and 2014 but that got me a huge oak porch, a large extension to the garage, new heating to 17 room house, a massive patio, a concrete raised pond demolished and filled in, new natural style pond dug, new oak staircase, walls demolished and new walls built with several beams, 4 bathrooms bought and fitted and a kitchen and utility room, etc, etc.

    Oh and decorated.

    A couple of years ago we bought a terrace house in Southwold. Gutted, new kitchen, bathroom, electrics and heating for about £20k.

    Oh and decorated.

    Admit it, you just made this comment for the humblebrag about your £200k refurb. ;)
    Not quite getting the humble part of that. :smile:
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    kjh said:

    RobD said:

    kjh said:

    I can't grasp how it is possible to spend £200k on a decoration unless you have more money than sense. I spent a similar amount between 2012 and 2014 but that got me a huge oak porch, a large extension to the garage, new heating to 17 room house, a massive patio, a concrete raised pond demolished and filled in, new natural style pond dug, new oak staircase, walls demolished and new walls built with several beams, 4 bathrooms bought and fitted and a kitchen and utility room, etc, etc.

    Oh and decorated.

    A couple of years ago we bought a terrace house in Southwold. Gutted, new kitchen, bathroom, electrics and heating for about £20k.

    Oh and decorated.

    Admit it, you just made this comment for the humblebrag about your £200k refurb. ;)
    Nope. I suspect there are several on here who can outbrag me. I know I am lucky to be able to afford it, but how else do you make the point that £200k on a flat is ridiculous.

    I am also retired. It is the consequence of two well paid older individuals who aren't gullible and waste money on overpriced stuff.
    As a rule of thumb for a complete refurbishment London is about £150-£200 psf for a flat.

    I don’t know how large their flat is but if it is being totally redone I’m not surprised by the price.
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