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edited January 2014 in General

politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » And now… our inaugural New Year’s Day Crossword

It is with some considerable trepidation that I step into the estimable shoes of stjohn, who has provided us with splendid Christmas Day cruciverbalism for the last six years.  Fear not, stjohn is merely resting, and may well be setting more puzzles in future.  If this offering gets his famous “nod” then we may even collaborate on a jumbo sometime!

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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    1A - first word, Thanksgiving, second word ?day
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    3rd word - Bugger! - Crosswords bore me to tears. Let's play Tiddly-winks instead.
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    FensterFenster Posts: 2,115
    Charles said:

    1A - first word, Thanksgiving, second word ?day

    1A is Independence Day
    7D is Ed Balls
    23A is Reassure

    Back later, gotta feed the kids!

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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Just catching up with various threads - NYE everyone.

    @SeanT = I noticed you mentioned Grey's Anatomy, S9. It's actually now on S10, NCIS is on S11 too and most watched US TV show. Smallville reached S10 as did JAG [which I thought was total rubbish]. For comparison - X-Files reached S9.

    Supernatural is on S9 and signed for S10 - currently highest rating in it's slot. It has an enormous fandom - there's about 10000 fanfic stories/screenplays online for just 2 of the characters, plus thousands of others.

    If you haven't seen it - horror, drama/comedy.

    One of my favourite scenes.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr-zvI4tRBM
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,997
    Good morning, everyone.

    Thanks to Miss Price for doing the crossword. Hope the offspring is doing well [and that I haven't said this to the wrong person. Bit sleepy].
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    Good morning, everyone.

    Thanks to Miss Price for doing the crossword. Hope the offspring is doing well [and that I haven't said this to the wrong person. Bit sleepy].

    Right person, wrong gender :-) Thanks very much, she's doing great!
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,997
    The Archsocialist denies being a political creature:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25564943

    "The archbishop said people accused the Church of being political when it spoke about heating bills or insecurity in families, but he insisted that such issues were not so much a matter of politics as fulfilling the commandment to love your neighbour. "

    I wonder what the reasoning behind tax breaks for religion is, given (I think) it was written that that which is Caesar's should be given unto Caesar (ie pay your taxes). Not so much a go at the Church, but more Scientology and the idiots who have decided religions can be self-defined. Allowing self-definition of a nebulous nature which grants oneself a tax break is just nuts.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,997
    *cough* Sorry, Mr. Price. I'm reasonably sure that's not the first time I've made that mistake...

    On the plus side, this means you didn't have to get pregnant.
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    FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916
    Good Morning and a Healthy and Prosperous New Year to all.

    Like Plato, am just catching up on the threads since Christmas; (there I was fully occupied by 7,5 and 2,5 year old girls and a 3-month old grandson as well as potato bashing. Did find time to amuse the children by raiding the garden shed and kitchen to make some crystals that went bang when anyone stepped on them). Children thought it great fun to put the crystals outside the ground floor lavatory.

    Thanks to Antifrank for his bold predictions - I shall post some different ones later. Have now downloaded the crossword (thank you TP) and trying not to spill coffee on it.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,031
    Charles, where are you? (From the beach...)
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    SandraMSandraM Posts: 206
    8 down Yardarm?
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    SandraMSandraM Posts: 206
    3 down eider? I and anagram of deer produces a type of duck.
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    SandraMSandraM Posts: 206
    9 across Sweden. Ed = leader of Opposition in the middle of anagram of news?
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    SandraMSandraM Posts: 206
    4 down Ennui. Anagram of nine with U from the middle of Tours.
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    SandraMSandraM Posts: 206
    5 down Debit. I in debt.
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    SandraMSandraM Posts: 206
    11 across Chartist. Ch = church plus artist = reformers
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    You're flying, Sandra. Yardarm the only one of yours not correct. Fenster was spot on with his 3 earlier, too.
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    SandraMSandraM Posts: 206
    Thanks, Tissue_Price. I'll go and have breakfast now.
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,352
    Assume 1 is Thanksgiving Day but can't work out why. My brain doesn't work for this sort of thing... But thanks to TP for doing it, and Happy New Year all,especially Mike!
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    FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916
    Is 23D Radii and 28A Grant Maintained?
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    FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916
    and 8D Yardage?
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,997
    Scottish independence piece below:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-25530430

    A bit near the end caught my attention:
    "Today, what they call independence as outlined in the White Paper that came out at the end of last year could be described as more like a confederal arrangement within these isles."

    Professor Mitchell says that ministers in the Scottish government would like to see "close working relations" with London after a yes vote.

    "It's not a complete break," he says, "it's not separation as of old. It's a more complex relationship but they still insist on calling it independence."

    Given the SNP's odd desire for monetary union, the above would seem an accurate (at least partially) description of what they're after. The problem is, that's not something the English, Welsh, or Northern Irish (politicians or public) are being asked.

    My fear remains not that Scotland will become independent (though I'd prefer No to win), but that Yes wins and we get an acrimonious break-up.
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    General Election ‏@UKELECTIONS2015 4m
    Could this be a #HAPPYNEWYEAR for #UKIP as they aim to have more members than the #LIBDEMS

    http://ukgeneralelection2015.blogspot.com/2013/12/will-ukip-mambership-overtake-libdems.html?spref=tw
    Details
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    20 d. Etonian
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    This will shake the PB roost this morning:

    General Election ‏@UKELECTIONS2015 5m
    #HAPPYNEWYEAR for the #SNP as they have a 8% lead over #LABOUR

    according to the #SCOTSMAN

    http://ukgeneralelection2015.blogspot.com/2013/12/scotsman-poll-gives-snp-8pt-lead.html?spref=tw
    Details
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Nick - it's Independence Day - something planned for 2016, as long as No loses! [no loss this year]

    Financier - Grant-Maintained and Radii are right (there are two radii in a diameter, which is a circle's longest chord, and of course you'll find a radius in your forearm). Yardage not correct.

    Moniker - yes, Etonian; anagram of nation, after E [excellent leader]
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,062

    Scottish independence piece below:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-25530430

    A bit near the end caught my attention:
    "Today, what they call independence as outlined in the White Paper that came out at the end of last year could be described as more like a confederal arrangement within these isles."

    Professor Mitchell says that ministers in the Scottish government would like to see "close working relations" with London after a yes vote.

    "It's not a complete break," he says, "it's not separation as of old. It's a more complex relationship but they still insist on calling it independence."

    Given the SNP's odd desire for monetary union, the above would seem an accurate (at least partially) description of what they're after. The problem is, that's not something the English, Welsh, or Northern Irish (politicians or public) are being asked.

    My fear remains not that Scotland will become independent (though I'd prefer No to win), but that Yes wins and we get an acrimonious break-up.

    Morris, once YES has won the rump UK will get rid of its petted lip and will do what is good for it , they will co-exist in peace and harmony just as we do now. A momentous year for Scotland and freedom beckons.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,997
    Mr. G, that'll depend on the starting positions of negotiations. The date of the General Election (betwixt the independence referendum and separation date, should Yes win) means that the electorate will get to have their say on the general positioning.

    The Scottish part of Britain should not get to vote in the GE. That would be simplest, fairest and best, but I'm not sure it would happen.
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    2d. New Thread
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,062
    MikeK said:
    Comments seem to show some people think he is talking sense
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    15a. Elder Statesman
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    SandraMSandraM Posts: 206
    8 down Yardman?
    15 across Elder Statesman (anagram of daren't meet lass)
    16 down Adele (anagram of lead and E for English)
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,868
    MikeK said:

    This will shake the PB roost this morning:

    General Election ‏@UKELECTIONS2015 5m
    #HAPPYNEWYEAR for the #SNP as they have a 8% lead over #LABOUR

    according to the #SCOTSMAN

    http://ukgeneralelection2015.blogspot.com/2013/12/scotsman-poll-gives-snp-8pt-lead.html?spref=tw
    Details

    Thanks! The blog title is misleading, for the poll is for the Scottish not UK GEs, and the indy ref result will affect what actually happens. But no sae bad for a midterm.

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/wider-political-news/no-mid-term-blues-as-snp-stay-ahead-in-holyrood-poll.23073959

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/panelbase-poll-shows-snp-8-points-ahead-of-labour-1-3251567

    But until the details are out perhaps best to wait and see.

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    SandraMSandraM Posts: 206
    12 down Their (sounds like there)
    I think 19 across is Advertisements
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,759
    13d sushi ?
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,759
    17d evens
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Moniker - yes, New Thread; reverse anagram i.e. Hatred is "new" thread, and new threads attract duplicate comments (FPT). Yes too for Elder Statesman (Major) for the reason Sandra gives.

    Sandra - all correct - Adele recorded the albums 19 & 21, and "Advertisements" is a double-definition (slightly cryptic) - they're what you see at half-time in e.g. football on telly and also PPBs are ads. Yardman very nearly correct!
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    8d. Yardmen
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Alanbrooke, both right - Evens is one-to-one [121, say] and also every other number.

    Sushi = Sus (Suss less an S [Discover incomplete]) + HI ("short form of latest union member" i.e. Hawaii). Some varieties of sushi have the fish on top.
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    SandraMSandraM Posts: 206
    22 across Disown (is in down)

    19 down Addling? (roman L in adding)
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    edited January 2014
    Moniker - Yes - Yard [Measure] + Men [troops]. Yardmen work in a railway yard where switching and shunting take place.
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Carnyx said:

    MikeK said:

    This will shake the PB roost this morning:

    General Election ‏@UKELECTIONS2015 5m
    #HAPPYNEWYEAR for the #SNP as they have a 8% lead over #LABOUR

    according to the #SCOTSMAN

    http://ukgeneralelection2015.blogspot.com/2013/12/scotsman-poll-gives-snp-8pt-lead.html?spref=tw
    Details

    Thanks! The blog title is misleading, for the poll is for the Scottish not UK GEs, and the indy ref result will affect what actually happens. But no sae bad for a midterm.

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/wider-political-news/no-mid-term-blues-as-snp-stay-ahead-in-holyrood-poll.23073959

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/panelbase-poll-shows-snp-8-points-ahead-of-labour-1-3251567

    But until the details are out perhaps best to wait and see.

    SNP opinion poll shows SNP in the lead , what a shock !!!!
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,759
    6d Null Lot ?

    Union = NUT Liberals = LLL Opponents = O
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,759
    10a be labour !
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    edited January 2014
    Sandra - yes, Addling and Disown for the reasons given.

    Alanbrooke - not quite, but you're on the right track...
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    SandraMSandraM Posts: 206
    28 Down Sci-fi (SC is a state = South Carolina plus I and the initial letters of find interesting)
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,759
    21d tiny tim
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Both correct - Tiny [very modest] and Tim as in Farron.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,062

    Carnyx said:

    MikeK said:

    This will shake the PB roost this morning:

    General Election ‏@UKELECTIONS2015 5m
    #HAPPYNEWYEAR for the #SNP as they have a 8% lead over #LABOUR

    according to the #SCOTSMAN

    http://ukgeneralelection2015.blogspot.com/2013/12/scotsman-poll-gives-snp-8pt-lead.html?spref=tw
    Details

    Thanks! The blog title is misleading, for the poll is for the Scottish not UK GEs, and the indy ref result will affect what actually happens. But no sae bad for a midterm.

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/wider-political-news/no-mid-term-blues-as-snp-stay-ahead-in-holyrood-poll.23073959

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/panelbase-poll-shows-snp-8-points-ahead-of-labour-1-3251567

    But until the details are out perhaps best to wait and see.

    SNP opinion poll shows SNP in the lead , what a shock !!!!
    You saying panelbase fixed the poll
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,759
    12d their

    they own it - sounds like there
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    malcolmg said:

    Carnyx said:

    MikeK said:

    This will shake the PB roost this morning:

    General Election ‏@UKELECTIONS2015 5m
    #HAPPYNEWYEAR for the #SNP as they have a 8% lead over #LABOUR

    according to the #SCOTSMAN

    http://ukgeneralelection2015.blogspot.com/2013/12/scotsman-poll-gives-snp-8pt-lead.html?spref=tw
    Details

    Thanks! The blog title is misleading, for the poll is for the Scottish not UK GEs, and the indy ref result will affect what actually happens. But no sae bad for a midterm.

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/wider-political-news/no-mid-term-blues-as-snp-stay-ahead-in-holyrood-poll.23073959

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/panelbase-poll-shows-snp-8-points-ahead-of-labour-1-3251567

    But until the details are out perhaps best to wait and see.

    SNP opinion poll shows SNP in the lead , what a shock !!!!
    You saying panelbase fixed the poll
    You are the one with conspiracy theories on why the referendum opinion polls do not match your expectations .
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Alanbrooke - yes, Belabour (I love a weak pun!). Their also correct.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,868

    Carnyx said:

    MikeK said:

    This will shake the PB roost this morning:

    General Election ‏@UKELECTIONS2015 5m
    #HAPPYNEWYEAR for the #SNP as they have a 8% lead over #LABOUR

    according to the #SCOTSMAN

    http://ukgeneralelection2015.blogspot.com/2013/12/scotsman-poll-gives-snp-8pt-lead.html?spref=tw
    Details

    Thanks! The blog title is misleading, for the poll is for the Scottish not UK GEs, and the indy ref result will affect what actually happens. But no sae bad for a midterm.

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/wider-political-news/no-mid-term-blues-as-snp-stay-ahead-in-holyrood-poll.23073959

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/panelbase-poll-shows-snp-8-points-ahead-of-labour-1-3251567

    But until the details are out perhaps best to wait and see.

    SNP opinion poll shows SNP in the lead , what a shock !!!!
    Actually, the real shock is that the Scotsman actually published a balanced, though short, report (if with a photo of the saltire and union flag at half-mast), and the Herald was also pretty even-handed - a bit snide but not unduly so by its normally abysmal standards. If they have changed tack that would be very significant. But I don't believe it. It's more likely that the No Campaign HQ had skived off, and Labour won't comment, reportedly, on it because it as commissioned by the SNP.

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    MillsyMillsy Posts: 900
    Happy New Year to all.

    Sorry to hark back to the last thread but another source of info on the Labour vote is Lord Ashcroft's excellent "Red Alert" report, which looked at Labour loyalists, joiners and considerers - http://lordashcroftpolls.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Red-Alert-full-poll-tables.pdf

    It's a little out of date but you can see data on all those voters "joining" Labour, not just the former Lib Dem voters.

    Two things stand out - firstly that Labour loyalists and joiners (including non-Lib Dems) have remarkably similar opinions on the government and party leaders, which adds to the thinking that they will stick with Miliband when asked to do so. But the other point to note (and a potentially big problem) is that these "joiners" include a big slice of voters that didn't vote at all in 2010 and will be unlikely to turnout in 2015.

    40% of Labour's current vote (or at least as it was in October 2012) is made up from non-Labour voters; and 39% of these "joiners" are former Lib Dems while 41% did not vote at the last election. Which is why only 55% of these joiners are certain to vote at the next election according to Ashcroft's report (compare to the figure of 78% for the former Lib Dems in Mike's piece yesterday). For the non-Lib Dem joiners the percentage certain to vote is likely to be similar to the "considerers" in Ashcroft's research (half of these "don't know" and didn't vote last time), which is 29%.

    How many of these voters will stick around and actually vote at the election in 2015? You could argue they are already accounted for in certain polling (like Ipsos Mori), but I don't think other pollsters like YouGov account for these sorts of voters.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,759
    27a chip in ( another pun :-))

    iron = golfing iron on target
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Chip in is spot on ;-)

    Only 5 to go now, by my reckoning, 6/18/24 down and 14/26 across.
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    14a. seldom
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,759
    18d is assertive

    as = since
    plus serve = shot with ti = it reversed.
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Moniker, yes - Moles [agents] reversed around D[emocrat].

    Alanbrooke, yes, as you say
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,759
    6d is null set

    but i can't get the opponent reference.
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    but i can't get the opponent reference.

    S & E are opponents in bridge - a bit of a crossword-geek staple to rely on that but I couldn't resist using it as it made the clue read nicely.

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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,759
    24d ascot

    punting = racehorses
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Yes, Ascot (Brown = "A Scot"). One to go...
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,062

    malcolmg said:

    Carnyx said:

    MikeK said:

    This will shake the PB roost this morning:

    General Election ‏@UKELECTIONS2015 5m
    #HAPPYNEWYEAR for the #SNP as they have a 8% lead over #LABOUR

    according to the #SCOTSMAN

    http://ukgeneralelection2015.blogspot.com/2013/12/scotsman-poll-gives-snp-8pt-lead.html?spref=tw
    Details

    Thanks! The blog title is misleading, for the poll is for the Scottish not UK GEs, and the indy ref result will affect what actually happens. But no sae bad for a midterm.

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/wider-political-news/no-mid-term-blues-as-snp-stay-ahead-in-holyrood-poll.23073959

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/panelbase-poll-shows-snp-8-points-ahead-of-labour-1-3251567

    But until the details are out perhaps best to wait and see.

    SNP opinion poll shows SNP in the lead , what a shock !!!!
    You saying panelbase fixed the poll
    You are the one with conspiracy theories on why the referendum opinion polls do not match your expectations .
    Are you saying panelbase fixed the poll.
    I think I have clearly stated that polls are crap , weighted wrong etc and I personally do not believe in them generally , I have never as you have stated ever suggested that they are deliberately fixed
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,759
    26a insisted = demanded
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Yes, insisted, also used in clue 28 for "maintained".

    The wordplay is IN SIS, TED...

    Well done all, especially Sandra, Moniker & Alanbrooke. Happy New Year!
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Syria misses deadline to remove chemical weapons

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-25557989

    Quelle surprise!
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,759

    Yes, insisted, also used in clue 28 for "maintained".

    The wordplay is IN SIS, TED...

    Well done all, especially Sandra, Moniker & Alanbrooke. Happy New Year!

    Thanks for compiling the crossword, it kept us amused on a wet New Years Day
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    Well-done TP for this morning's entertainment. Like Sven it was :whoosh: for my addled brain-cells. Now complete, does that make this an open-thread?

    If so: I must do my ironing for tomorrow....
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    SandraMSandraM Posts: 206
    Thanks for the crossword. The weather is dreadful here on the south coast.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,062

    Yes, insisted, also used in clue 28 for "maintained".

    The wordplay is IN SIS, TED...

    Well done all, especially Sandra, Moniker & Alanbrooke. Happy New Year!

    Thanks for compiling the crossword, it kept us amused on a wet New Years Day
    Happy New Year to you Alan. Pleasant here in God's country but not for much longer I believe.
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    Happy New Year!

    Especially hoping OSR's bets come in on Spurs this week.... and not mine...
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,759
    malcolmg said:

    Yes, insisted, also used in clue 28 for "maintained".

    The wordplay is IN SIS, TED...

    Well done all, especially Sandra, Moniker & Alanbrooke. Happy New Year!

    Thanks for compiling the crossword, it kept us amused on a wet New Years Day
    Happy New Year to you Alan. Pleasant here in God's country but not for much longer I believe.
    And a Happy new Year to you malc.

    Hope you had a good Hogmanay and all's well with the family.
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    compouter1compouter1 Posts: 642
    edited January 2014
    MikeK said:

    This will shake the PB roost this morning:

    General Election ‏@UKELECTIONS2015 5m
    #HAPPYNEWYEAR for the #SNP as they have a 8% lead over #LABOUR

    according to the #SCOTSMAN

    http://ukgeneralelection2015.blogspot.com/2013/12/scotsman-poll-gives-snp-8pt-lead.html?spref=tw
    Details

    I assume(and I may be wrong) you thought this was a bad poll for Labour, hence, the shaking of the roost. However, from another site from yesterday, the following......

    "Interesting poll that.

    Constituency seats:

    SNP 40%
    Lab 32%
    Con 15%
    Lib 5%
    Other 8%

    List seats:

    SNP 40%
    Lab 31%
    Con 14%
    Lib 5%
    Green 5%
    Other 5%

    When you thump that lot in the Scotland Votes site, we get:

    SNP 58 (-11)
    Lab 43 (+6)
    Con 19 (+4)
    Lib 5 (n/c)
    Green 3 (+1)
    Ind. 1 (n/c)"

    If Stuart Dickinson can clarify the figures.

    Not as bad a poll for Labour as it first looks.

    Happy New Year all by the way.

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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,062

    MikeK said:

    This will shake the PB roost this morning:

    General Election ‏@UKELECTIONS2015 5m
    #HAPPYNEWYEAR for the #SNP as they have a 8% lead over #LABOUR

    according to the #SCOTSMAN

    http://ukgeneralelection2015.blogspot.com/2013/12/scotsman-poll-gives-snp-8pt-lead.html?spref=tw
    Details

    I assume(and I may be wrong) you thought this was a bad poll for Labour, hence, the shaking of the roost. However, from another site from yesterday, the following......

    "Interesting poll that.

    Constituency seats:

    SNP 40%
    Lab 32%
    Con 15%
    Lib 5%
    Other 8%

    List seats:

    SNP 40%
    Lab 31%
    Con 14%
    Lib 5%
    Green 5%
    Other 5%

    When you thump that lot in the Scotland Votes site, we get:
    SNP 58 (-11)
    Lab 43 (+6)
    Con 19 (+4)
    Lib 5 (n/c)
    Green 3 (+1)
    Ind. 1 (n/c)"

    If Stuart Dickinson can clarify the figures.

    Unless of course you were celebrating a good poll for Labour.

    Happy New Year all by the way.

    Looks about right and is in fact a drop in support for SNP , believe about 7% but still quite startling given they have been in power for 6 & 1/2 years. Interesting point is that none of the move has gone to Labour or LD's. Looks liek Tories moving back.
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Slippery Vaz on the Job:

    That Farage article you posted is interesting. He really is very bullish...
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    @MorrisDancer

    I remember you mentioning The Walking Dead - you may find this amusing - the Honest Trailer for it. There are several very very funny ones - Skyfall and IronMan 3 had me aching with laughter.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNxvo8AcpQQ
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    compouter1compouter1 Posts: 642
    edited January 2014
    MikeK said:
    Cracking bit of spin from The Heil, way down the article is a "oh, we forgot to mention Tory Mark Reckless from the same committee as Vaz was also there, we won't even write about it in the article but show him in a picture, but shhhhh, we will keep it quiet".
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    SeanT said:

    Interesting oversight of pan-EU political issues and anxieties.

    Unsurprisingly, the Spanish, Portuguese and Italians are neurotic about the economy, the Cypriots are positively psychotic. By contrast the Brits are much more relaxed.

    The Club Med gang have stepped through the door of economic reality and inevitably they're not liking what they're finding.

    By contrast Britain pretended things weren't so bad, poured itself another drink and sat down to do some more internet shopping.

    HNY etc


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    stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,780
    Excellent crossword Tissue Price. Many thanks.

    I initially had 25 down as Say If, which also almost works. Fantasy = Say If. State = say, I =I, initially find = F. But interesting is left over.

    2 down was my favourite.

    Happy New Year to all PBers
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    isamisam Posts: 40,958
    taffys said:

    Slippery Vaz on the Job:

    That Farage article you posted is interesting. He really is very bullish...

    "I have a dream..." !!!
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,352
    Millsy said:

    Happy New Year to all.

    Sorry to hark back to the last thread but another source of info on the Labour vote is Lord Ashcroft's excellent "Red Alert" report, which looked at Labour loyalists, joiners and considerers - http://lordashcroftpolls.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Red-Alert-full-poll-tables.pdf

    It's a little out of date but you can see data on all those voters "joining" Labour, not just the former Lib Dem voters.

    Two things stand out - firstly that Labour loyalists and joiners (including non-Lib Dems) have remarkably similar opinions on the government and party leaders, which adds to the thinking that they will stick with Miliband when asked to do so. But the other point to note (and a potentially big problem) is that these "joiners" include a big slice of voters that didn't vote at all in 2010 and will be unlikely to turnout in 2015.

    40% of Labour's current vote (or at least as it was in October 2012) is made up from non-Labour voters; and 39% of these "joiners" are former Lib Dems while 41% did not vote at the last election. Which is why only 55% of these joiners are certain to vote at the next election according to Ashcroft's report (compare to the figure of 78% for the former Lib Dems in Mike's piece yesterday). For the non-Lib Dem joiners the percentage certain to vote is likely to be similar to the "considerers" in Ashcroft's research (half of these "don't know" and didn't vote last time), which is 29%.

    How many of these voters will stick around and actually vote at the election in 2015? You could argue they are already accounted for in certain polling (like Ipsos Mori), but I don't think other pollsters like YouGov account for these sorts of voters.

    I think that's a fair analysis, and differential turnout may well be significant in 2015 (and 2014 Euros). I'm much more confident of LibDem switchers than of people who didn't bother last time, though that group also includes some deliberate "I'm Labour but I don't want Gordon so I'll skip this one" voters. One minor point is that I wonder if low-turnout voters are also less inclined to fill in the YouGov surveys, especially the long Sunday Times one that goes on for about 15 screens.

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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,288
    edited January 2014
    Happy New Year.

    Had the Police as first footers at the front door at 12.25 this morning, with a drunk reveller in their car, who had claimed he lived in the house. Reassured the policeman that I wasn't expecting guests.

    Did Southam Observer enjoy his haunch of venison. I'm sure he would have loved to have followed Norman Tebbit's recipe.
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    edited January 2014
    Thanks for the kind words on the crossword. Matt may struggle to top today's cartoon in the rest of the year.
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    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Interesting oversight of pan-EU political issues and anxieties.

    Unsurprisingly, the Spanish, Portuguese and Italians are neurotic about the economy, the Cypriots are positively psychotic. By contrast the Brits are much more relaxed.

    The Club Med gang have stepped through the door of economic reality and inevitably they're not liking what they're finding.

    By contrast Britain pretended things weren't so bad, poured itself another drink and sat down to do some more internet shopping.

    HNY etc


    I don't think things ARE that bad in Britain. London is like a locomotive, and it is pulling the rest of the country out of the swamp. We are lucky to have such an engine. Of course some of the recovery is illusory, but not all of it.

    When you go to parts of Italy, Greece and Spain they are visibly in trouble. There is a sense of torpor you don't have in the UK. On the other hand they can just go outside and sit in the sun.

    *stares at freezing rain*
    Sorry Sean but that sounds like the sort of thing we heard pre 2008:

    "London is like a locomotive, and it is pulling the rest of the country out of the swamp. We are lucky to have such an engine. Of course some of the boom is illusory, but not all of it."

    Until we stop living £100bn beyond our means every year or manage to run a single month's trade surplus or get productivity rising again or stop socioeconomic mobility falling or build a dozen proper power stations things will be getting worse.

    Now that's not to say things might not feel that bad as Britain is so drugged up on wealth consumption we live in a permanent economic feel good haze.

    But this question, which I first asked here in 2007:

    We're competing against peoples who are as intelligent and educated as we are and who are prepared to work harder for less money and under fewer restrictions than we do so how do we maintain our far higher living standards ?

    has still not received an answer.

    The only difference between 2007 and 2014 is that Britain has become much weaker economically while our new competitors have become much stronger.
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    CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Interesting oversight of pan-EU political issues and anxieties.

    Unsurprisingly, the Spanish, Portuguese and Italians are neurotic about the economy, the Cypriots are positively psychotic. By contrast the Brits are much more relaxed.

    The Club Med gang have stepped through the door of economic reality and inevitably they're not liking what they're finding.

    By contrast Britain pretended things weren't so bad, poured itself another drink and sat down to do some more internet shopping.

    HNY etc


    I don't think things ARE that bad in Britain. London is like a locomotive, and it is pulling the rest of the country out of the swamp. We are lucky to have such an engine. Of course some of the recovery is illusory, but not all of it.

    When you go to parts of Italy, Greece and Spain they are visibly in trouble. There is a sense of torpor you don't have in the UK. On the other hand they can just go outside and sit in the sun.

    *stares at freezing rain*
    One for you @SeanT.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2531622/People-religious-spiritual-thicker-brains-Those-believe-god-deeper-outer-layer.html

    Do you think turning to God could protect you from a hangover?


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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,097
    edited January 2014
    AnotherRichard The UK was last week forecast to be the largest economy in Europe by the end of 2030, which is precisely why the Romanians and Bulgarians want to come here now the border restrictions have been lifted today.

    Sean Pity those in northern France, both a stagnant economy like southern Europe, but without the sun the Italians, Spanish and Greeks get!
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    HYUFD said:

    AnotherRichard The UK was last week forecast to be the largest economy in Europe by the end of 2030, which is precisely why the Romanians and Bulgarians want to come here now the border restrictions have been lifted today.

    I wouldn't put much faith in forecasts which are nothing more than complacent extrapolations.

    And we're certainly not going to be the largest economy in Europe by 2030 unless we start building a dozen power stations this year.


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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,062
    HYUFD said:

    AnotherRichard The UK was last week forecast to be the largest economy in Europe by the end of 2030, which is precisely why the Romanians and Bulgarians want to come here now the border restrictions have been lifted today.

    Sean Pity those in northern France, both a stagnant economy like southern Europe, but without the sun the Italians, Spanish and Greeks get!

    What a turnip head to believe that absolute bollocks. The UK has less than 9 months to go.
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    SeanT said:



    When you go to parts of Italy, Greece and Spain they are visibly in trouble. There is a sense of torpor you don't have in the UK. On the other hand they can just go outside and sit in the sun.

    *stares at freezing rain*

    Out of curiosity Sean how much of your 'British time' is spent in central London and how much of your 'European time' is spent in Extremadura, Campania, the Algarve etc ?

    The place to see torpor, and general decline, in Britain isn't central London (or city centres elsewhere) its in the industrial estates and middle suburbias.

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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,097
    AnotherRichard GDP is almost entirely determined by population size, provided the government allows at least something approaching a free market economy, which is why China is returning to the position it held as the world's largest economy until about the seventeenth century having largely ditched communism and India is also on the rise. Germany's population is forecast to fall by 2030, that of the UK to rise to over 70 million, and France is presently engaged in a disastrous socialist experiment, there is nothing out of the ordinary about it!
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    FluffyThoughtsFluffyThoughts Posts: 2,420
    edited January 2014


    Until we stop living £100bn beyond our means every year or manage to run a single month's trade surplus or get productivity rising again or stop socioeconomic mobility falling or build a dozen proper power stations things will be getting worse.

    Dumping the Welsh and Ulster-Scots would put us a quarter of the way there: Sadly it is not London and the Home-Counties who are consuming more than they produce! Whether an independent England could address her backwaters is irrelevant according to Labour (and their "progressive" trolls); so, maybe, some people are beyond help....

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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,097
    Malcolmg see below
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,031
    I think another_richard is absolutely right about the biggest fly in the UK recovery ointment: our continued trade inbalance. Even including financial services, invisibles, and tourism, we still import much more than we export every month. And every month, that hole is plugged by our government and companies borrowing from abroad, and (to a lesser extent) by the sale of UK property to wealthy foreigners.

    We can either change our policies to try and encourage a more balanced economy, or at some point we will be forced by foreigners not being so keen to buy our debt to change abruptly and painfully (like, say, the Irish or the Spanish were between 2009 and 2013).
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    MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    edited January 2014
    malcolmg said:

    HYUFD said:

    AnotherRichard The UK was last week forecast to be the largest economy in Europe by the end of 2030, which is precisely why the Romanians and Bulgarians want to come here now the border restrictions have been lifted today.

    Sean Pity those in northern France, both a stagnant economy like southern Europe, but without the sun the Italians, Spanish and Greeks get!

    What a turnip head to believe that absolute bollocks. The UK has less than 9 months to go.
    When the handbrake of 40 Labour idiots is released perhaps the UK will get there even quicker.
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    RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    edited January 2014
    rcs1000 said:

    We can either change our policies to try and encourage a more balanced economy, or at some point we will be forced by foreigners not being so keen to buy our debt to change abruptly and painfully (like, say, the Irish or the Spanish were between 2009 and 2013).

    Yes, but the question is: what policies should we adopt that we're not currently adopting, and would voters accept them?
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,997
    Miss Plato, whilst I like The Walking Dead a lot, that Honest Trailer's quite hilarious.

    You might also like the CinemaSins channel (although you may well have seen it already).
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    But this question, which I first asked here in 2007:

    We're competing against peoples who are as intelligent and educated as we are and who are prepared to work harder for less money and under fewer restrictions than we do so how do we maintain our far higher living standards ?

    has still not received an answer.

    I think I have answered that question several times: clearly, by concentrated effort in areas where we have a world-class competitive advantage, most notably the City (which is not just banks, of course).

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