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Longstanding PBer, DavidL, gives his forecasts for the new year – politicalbetting.com

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edited December 2020 in General
imageLongstanding PBer, DavidL, gives his forecasts for the new year – politicalbetting.com

I think it takes a bit of temerity to make forecasts for the year ahead after the year we have just had. Looking back at my forecasts for 2020 there is a notable missing black swan from the list. However, and in the spirit of things:

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  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,879
    First again, like Tories selling out the fisherpersons.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421
    Carnyx said:

    First again, like Tories selling out the fisherpersons.

    Or the SNP reneging on a currency union.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421
    edited December 2020
    ’Disaprovided’

    This is an awesome word I want to make more use of, but what does it mean?

    ‘Buttler taking over the captaincy.’

    Proof, if proof were needed, that Ed Smith is a closet Aussie.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,600
    I only get firsts once in an SNP generation.....
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421

    I only get firsts once in an SNP generation.....

    Every five minutes?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,600
    And with that - I settle down to watch, for the first time, series one, episode one of The Mandalorian.
  • ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    First again, like Tories selling out the fisherpersons.

    Or the SNP reneging on a currency union.
    2020 award for crappiest non sequitur still open for entries, well done on a strong late effort.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,939

    Some Scottish predictions.
    The SNP will win almost all the FPTP seats in May, enough for an overall majority, and around 50% of the vote. The Scottish electorate are impressed with SNP government performance, especially concerning COVID, and will support them. Not everyone in North East Scotland is a fisherman. Some electors grow seed potatoes.
    The SNP will win very few regional seats. The media will concentrate extensively on the Salmond argument in the weeks leading up to the election. The top places on the regional lists will be allocated to wokes. (The ordinary membership no longer have a significant say in who is on the list.) Many SNP activists will vote for their constituency MSP, but will abstain on the list, or vote for another party. The ISP and SSP may pick up the odd seat. The Greens will increase their numbers.
    Nicola Sturgeon will ask Boris Johnson for a referendum. Boris will refuse. Nicola will be hesitant to press the matter. There will not be a referendum. There will be a power struggle within the SNP, which Nicola will lose, having lost the support of the media.
    Fairliered will be very sad, as he has been fighting for Independence for nearly 50 years, and he’s getting on a bit.
    HYUFD will be arrested at Gretna under the SNP Hate Crime Bill.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    First again, like Tories selling out the fisherpersons.

    Or the SNP reneging on a currency union.
    2020 award for crappiest non sequitur still open for entries, well done on a strong late effort.
    OK, you don’t like that one. How about ‘fifth, like the number of years after getting its own currency Scotland has to wait before joining the EU?’
  • Well done on accepting that there will be another referendum DavidL, bring it on. You need to do a bit of work on your gutless, culturally insecure, southern buddies though..
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421


    Some Scottish predictions.
    The SNP will win almost all the FPTP seats in May, enough for an overall majority, and around 50% of the vote. The Scottish electorate are impressed with SNP government performance, especially concerning COVID, and will support them. Not everyone in North East Scotland is a fisherman. Some electors grow seed potatoes.
    The SNP will win very few regional seats. The media will concentrate extensively on the Salmond argument in the weeks leading up to the election. The top places on the regional lists will be allocated to wokes. (The ordinary membership no longer have a significant say in who is on the list.) Many SNP activists will vote for their constituency MSP, but will abstain on the list, or vote for another party. The ISP and SSP may pick up the odd seat. The Greens will increase their numbers.
    Nicola Sturgeon will ask Boris Johnson for a referendum. Boris will refuse. Nicola will be hesitant to press the matter. There will not be a referendum. There will be a power struggle within the SNP, which Nicola will lose, having lost the support of the media.
    Fairliered will be very sad, as he has been fighting for Independence for nearly 50 years, and he’s getting on a bit.
    HYUFD will be arrested at Gretna under the SNP Hate Crime Bill.

    You can’t arrest somebody in a tank. Not unless you have tanks of your own.

    Surely it should be, ‘will be stopped at Gretna for driving without a licence?’
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421

    Well done on accepting that there will be another referendum DavidL, bring it on. You need to do a bit of work on your gutless, culturally insecure, southern buddies though..

    Don’t worry, @malcolmg will rise nobly to the occasion when he needs to.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited December 2020
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,939
    Maybe HYUFD wont realise that you can’t drive a tank on an ordinary car licence.
  • ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    First again, like Tories selling out the fisherpersons.

    Or the SNP reneging on a currency union.
    2020 award for crappiest non sequitur still open for entries, well done on a strong late effort.
    OK, you don’t like that one. How about ‘fifth, like the number of years after getting its own currency Scotland has to wait before joining the EU?’
    Still a bit crappy, but not quite as shit.
    How many years will Scotland have to wait to join the EU while within the UK?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421
    Does anyone actually like or rate Ian Blackford?

    That’s a serious question.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421
    edited December 2020

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    First again, like Tories selling out the fisherpersons.

    Or the SNP reneging on a currency union.
    2020 award for crappiest non sequitur still open for entries, well done on a strong late effort.
    OK, you don’t like that one. How about ‘fifth, like the number of years after getting its own currency Scotland has to wait before joining the EU?’
    Still a bit crappy, but not quite as shit.
    How many years will Scotland have to wait to join the EU while within the UK?
    Well, according to many of my more fanatical fellow Remainers, about twelve months. :smile:

    On a serious note, however, the currency question would in itself need resolving before an independent Scotland could apply for EU membership. So it certainly wouldn’t happen at once.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,939
    ydoethur said:

    Does anyone actually like or rate Ian Blackford?

    That’s a serious question.
    Nobody I know, including SNP members. He’s seen as a bit of a joke.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421

    ydoethur said:

    Does anyone actually like or rate Ian Blackford?

    That’s a serious question.
    Nobody I know, including SNP members. He’s seen as a bit of a joke.
    I’m glad it’s not just me. I might find him a joke if I found him funny. He comes across as a nastier version of Nigel Farage. I still haven’t forgotten the horrible campaign he ran against Charles Kennedy and he shows no sign of improving.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    edited December 2020
    ydoethur said:

    Does anyone actually like or rate Ian Blackford?

    That’s a serious question.
    He used to do well at PMQs in the last parliament. I have to note, though, that coming after Corbyn helped a lot.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    Interesting thoughts. Have to say if a referendum is conceded, I just can’t see No winning this time round.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421
    Isn’t London going to lose its ability to act as the chief location for euro trades though?
  • RH1992RH1992 Posts: 788
    edited December 2020
    ydoethur said:

    Does anyone actually like or rate Ian Blackford?

    That’s a serious question.
    Considering on Christmas Eve he said that independence for Scotland wasn't about the question of "leaving the United Kingdom, it's just about gaining political independence for Scotland" I certainly don't rate him. He doesn't even seem to know what independence actually means, he's just hot air who has to remember to sound angry no matter the subject to get the SNP cheers.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,851
    Can we post videos on here? Slightly shocked by the level of the Taff in Cardiff. The naked eye suggested about 30cm below the riverbank.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421

    Can we post videos on here? Slightly shocked by the level of the Taff in Cardiff. The naked eye suggested about 30cm below the riverbank.

    Can you upload it to YouTube and then link?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,879
    rel="FrankBooth">Can we post videos on here? Slightly shocked by the level of the Taff in Cardiff. The naked eye suggested about 30cm below the riverbank.

    Just post the URL for the relevant Youtube or Twatter page? Seems to work for me.
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172

    Arrest at the border in his tank could be a useful stepping stone for HYUFD, as regards publicity.

    It will be followed by violent demonstrations by HYUFD's Proud Boys.

    Boris will call for the release of the HYUFD One. Scotland will expel him on the grounds of cleanliness.

    HYUFD will then be adopted as Parliamentary candidate for a safe Essex seat.

    He has all the qualities needed to be an excellent Tory MP.
  • He surely must be back 2021....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zw15jSptIHM
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,695


    Arrest at the border in his tank could be a useful stepping stone for HYUFD, as regards publicity.

    It will be followed by violent demonstrations by HYUFD's Proud Boys.

    Boris will call for the release of the HYUFD One. Scotland will expel him on the grounds of cleanliness.

    HYUFD will then be adopted as Parliamentary candidate for a safe Essex seat.

    He has all the qualities needed to be an excellent Tory MP.

    He'll ride into Holyrood and declare, "You are no parliament!"
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421


    Arrest at the border in his tank could be a useful stepping stone for HYUFD, as regards publicity.

    It will be followed by violent demonstrations by HYUFD's Proud Boys.

    Boris will call for the release of the HYUFD One. Scotland will expel him on the grounds of cleanliness.

    HYUFD will then be adopted as Parliamentary candidate for a safe Essex seat.

    He has all the qualities needed to be an excellent Tory MP.

    From Get Brexit Done to get Basildon?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421


    Arrest at the border in his tank could be a useful stepping stone for HYUFD, as regards publicity.

    It will be followed by violent demonstrations by HYUFD's Proud Boys.

    Boris will call for the release of the HYUFD One. Scotland will expel him on the grounds of cleanliness.

    HYUFD will then be adopted as Parliamentary candidate for a safe Essex seat.

    He has all the qualities needed to be an excellent Tory MP.

    He'll ride into Holyrood and declare, "You are no parliament!"
    And off they will Trot.
  • I tend to agree with Mr. L that it'll take maybe the whole year for things to get back to normal.

    Not expecting the jab anytime soon (nor think I should be other than back of the queue for it), so will hopefully be able to use my lack of vaccine as a bulletproof excuse for shunning social invitations throughout 2021.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,893
    Afternoon all :)

    The last 12 months should be a salutary lesson for anyone trying to do predictions but it doesn't seem to stop anyone.

    I'll offer two for now - the Conservatives will suffer a net loss of seats in the English County Council elections and Sadiq Khan will be re-elected London Mayor.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,879
    RH1992 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Does anyone actually like or rate Ian Blackford?

    That’s a serious question.
    Considering on Christmas Eve he said that independence for Scotland wasn't about the question of "leaving the United Kingdom, it's just about gaining political independence for Scotland" I certainly don't rate him. He doesn't even seem to know what independence actually means, he's just hot air who has to remember to sound angry no matter the subject to get the SNP cheers.
    Is that not a misunderstood comment from a discussion on the merits of devomax under the Starmer plan? Would make sense (in view of the recent gradualist, shift-the-window polocy of the SNP in recent decades).
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421
    stodge said:

    Afternoon all :)

    The last 12 months should be a salutary lesson for anyone trying to do predictions but it doesn't seem to stop anyone.

    I'll offer two for now - the Conservatives will suffer a net loss of seats in the English County Council elections and Sadiq Khan will be re-elected London Mayor.

    I can top those.

    Somewhere, a bear will shit in the woods.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,086
    edited December 2020
    Worse than those that think Pineapple on Pizza is acceptable or that Radiohead are a good live act...who the f##k are the people who think Mrs Brown's Boys should be on tv? Who? Come on, who watches this s##t? Such viewers should be sent to Conservative Home for at least the next 5 years.

    https://www.chortle.co.uk/news/2020/12/17/47505/mrs_browns_boys_to_be_on_tv_until_2026#:~:text=Mrs Brown's Boys creator Brendan,of 10pm on Christmas Day.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421

    Worse than those that think Pineapple on Pizza is acceptable or that Radiohead are a good live act...who the f##k are the people who think Mrs Brown's Boys should be on tv? Who? Come on, who watches this s##t?

    https://www.chortle.co.uk/news/2020/12/17/47505/mrs_browns_boys_to_be_on_tv_until_2026#:~:text=Mrs Brown's Boys creator Brendan,of 10pm on Christmas Day.

    Well, whoever they are the include the controller of BBC1.
  • I can't remember, are we in a 'Farage, the most influential politician of his generation who made Brexit happen' Brexiteer spasm, or 'Farage, extremist nobody who was a hindrance & stain upon our beautiful Brexit' one?
  • ydoethur said:

    Worse than those that think Pineapple on Pizza is acceptable or that Radiohead are a good live act...who the f##k are the people who think Mrs Brown's Boys should be on tv? Who? Come on, who watches this s##t?

    https://www.chortle.co.uk/news/2020/12/17/47505/mrs_browns_boys_to_be_on_tv_until_2026#:~:text=Mrs Brown's Boys creator Brendan,of 10pm on Christmas Day.

    Well, whoever they are the include the controller of BBC1.
    Seems the number of people is rapidly reducing...down to 3.8 million this year.
  • https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1343212073195630598

    This is potentially very interesting and something I would personally be in favour of but I can't see it doing well politically. I think Labour would be best to build on social elements and environmental protections but leave the FOM stuff well alone.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,770
    These predictions are interesting. I liked rcs's from this morning. Inflation in my view won't be a big risk in 2021 though.

    What I'd surprised that hasn't been featured is the word 'green'. My hunch is that by the end of 2021 the world will have gone bananas about climate and icecaps. Mostly that'll be a good thing.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,933

    https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1343212073195630598

    This is potentially very interesting and something I would personally be in favour of but I can't see it doing well politically. I think Labour would be best to build on social elements and environmental protections but leave the FOM stuff well alone.

    I think there was never anything preventing close alignment.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,879
    Omnium said:

    These predictions are interesting. I liked rcs's from this morning. Inflation in my view won't be a big risk in 2021 though.

    What I'd surprised that hasn't been featured is the word 'green'. My hunch is that by the end of 2021 the world will have gone bananas about climate and icecaps. Mostly that'll be a good thing.

    Good point. And Mr J will have a squirrel in the form of the Glasgow climate conference to try and get away from Brexit + Pox.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,477
    Predicting that there will be another indyref, based on Boris's cowardy-custardness - or to put it more neutrally, his fondness for ease, is hard to argue with. But I wonder on what basis you think he'll propose to have one in 2022. I suspect for a number of reasons he'd want to push the date back, and he'd have a very good case for doing so (whether or not a delay is desirable).
  • glwglw Posts: 9,908
    ydoethur said:

    Does anyone actually like or rate Ian Blackford?

    That’s a serious question.
    He's the most pompous berk in the House of Commons, which is some achievement considering he's up against the likes of Jacob Rees-Mogg.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,165
    edited December 2020
    Baron Farage of Fobbing would be best, I think, after the medieval village that gave its name to the term, after trying to evade the poll tax - it's also in Essex, one of the heartlands of Brexit, and so perfect.

    I can picture Nigel now, in red ermine and standing on the roof of an old Ford Cortina, returning to the village a people's hero.
  • Surely the idea Remain will win an Indy Ref with Johnson as PM is quite unlikely, am I wrong?
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,877
    I notice none of the predictions so far mention transport. Personally I am expecting a drop of between a quarter and a third in daily commuting. Assuming I turn out to be correct I think this likely to have a fair amount of unforseen consequences. Not least of all calling some transport projects into question. Cleaner air. Increased leisure time. The rebalancing from centralised work places to a more spread out workforce, I am certainly for example looking now I am working from home 100% from now on to moving out of the south east and instead spending my salary in the south west.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,599
    Well there’s been a few knighthoods and peerages given out to former MEPs. I know NF isn’t everyone’s cup of tea, but it wouldn’t be particularly unreasonable to honour him this year.
  • Baron Farage of Fobbing would be best, I think, after the medieval village that gave its name to the term, after trying to evade the poll tax - it's also in Essex, one of the heartlands of Brexit, and so perfect.

    I can picture Nigel now, in red ermine and standing on the roof of an old Ford Cortina, returning to the village a people's hero.
    Perhaps a flypast first..
  • Boris Johnson will be a fantastic asset for the separatists, should there be another referendum whilst he is PM.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,165
    edited December 2020

    Baron Farage of Fobbing would be best, I think, after the medieval village that gave its name to the term, after trying to evade the poll tax - it's also in Essex, one of the heartlands of Brexit, and so perfect.

    I can picture Nigel now, in red ermine and standing on the roof of an old Ford Cortina, returning to the village a people's hero.
    Perhaps a flypast first..
    A Spitfire flypast over Fobbing, and then a naval 48-gun salute at Harwich.
  • Any changes to food prices after Brexit are likely to be "very modest indeed" under the deal struck between the UK and the EU, the chairman of Tesco has said.

    John Allan told the BBC that it would "hardly be felt in terms of the prices that consumers are paying".

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55460948
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172

    Surely the idea Remain will win an Indy Ref with Johnson as PM is quite unlikely, am I wrong?

    I think Dura Ace had it right when he said Boris is a Secession Machine.

    Which is why I think Fairliered is right, and Boris will refuse a Referendum.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,933

    Any changes to food prices after Brexit are likely to be "very modest indeed" under the deal struck between the UK and the EU, the chairman of Tesco has said.

    John Allan told the BBC that it would "hardly be felt in terms of the prices that consumers are paying".

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55460948

    Well there we go.

  • Some Scottish predictions.
    The SNP will win almost all the FPTP seats in May, enough for an overall majority, and around 50% of the vote. The Scottish electorate are impressed with SNP government performance, especially concerning COVID, and will support them. Not everyone in North East Scotland is a fisherman. Some electors grow seed potatoes.
    The SNP will win very few regional seats. The media will concentrate extensively on the Salmond argument in the weeks leading up to the election. The top places on the regional lists will be allocated to wokes. (The ordinary membership no longer have a significant say in who is on the list.) Many SNP activists will vote for their constituency MSP, but will abstain on the list, or vote for another party. The ISP and SSP may pick up the odd seat. The Greens will increase their numbers.
    Nicola Sturgeon will ask Boris Johnson for a referendum. Boris will refuse. Nicola will be hesitant to press the matter. There will not be a referendum. There will be a power struggle within the SNP, which Nicola will lose, having lost the support of the media.
    Fairliered will be very sad, as he has been fighting for Independence for nearly 50 years, and he’s getting on a bit.
    HYUFD will be arrested at Gretna under the SNP Hate Crime Bill.

    That last sentence is hilarious
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,126
    I know Boris doesn't like pressure, and an SNP majority (as seems inevitable) would be a hell of a lot of pressure, but given how much politicians care about polling I'm not convinced he will give in to a Sindy ref, seeing sticking to his guns as at least buying time on the question even if it goes down very poorly. When it does happen, as it will at some point be in 2022 or sometime else, I think it'll be pretty close, but a win for Sindy.

    I'm more worried by the cricket predictions though.

    Surely the idea Remain will win an Indy Ref with Johnson as PM is quite unlikely, am I wrong?

    Well he gets more votes in Scotland than Cameron did from the time of hte last Sindy ref.

    Of course, one would hope the benefits or negatives of the Union would not come down to whosoever happens to be PM or FM at the time, but of course some number will, and if it is close that could be important.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,879

    Baron Farage of Fobbing would be best, I think, after the medieval village that gave its name to the term, after trying to evade the poll tax - it's also in Essex, one of the heartlands of Brexit, and so perfect.

    I can picture Nigel now, in red ermine and standing on the roof of an old Ford Cortina, returning to the village a people's hero.
    Perhaps a flypast first..
    A Spitfire flypast over Fobbing, and then a naval 48-gun salute at Harwich.
    That would be treason. Better than Her Maj gets.
  • Baron Farage of Fobbing would be best, I think, after the medieval village that gave its name to the term, after trying to evade the poll tax - it's also in Essex, one of the heartlands of Brexit, and so perfect.

    I can picture Nigel now, in red ermine and standing on the roof of an old Ford Cortina, returning to the village a people's hero.
    Perhaps a flypast first..
    A Spitfire flypast over Fobbing, and then a naval 48-gun salute at Harwich.
    The Remainer flak over north London was absolutely beastly


  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,599
    That looks awfully close. Hope those immediately downstream are taking precautions.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,126

    I can't remember, are we in a 'Farage, the most influential politician of his generation who made Brexit happen' Brexiteer spasm, or 'Farage, extremist nobody who was a hindrance & stain upon our beautiful Brexit' one?
    I don't think the distinction between those two is as stark as might be imagined. I think it hard to deny his significant influence over an extended period on this issue, but just as he didn't start the Brexit movement, he didn't end it either, nor does his having a great deal of impact at various times mean he had impact over every part of it or at every period of it.

    There have been times when he was instrumental in driving the political movement forwards, and times when he was just carping from the sidelines.
  • Am I missing something or can Johnson just ignore a second referendum forever
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,086
    edited December 2020

    twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1343217443322392576

    We hear this is a possibility every election. If there was ever going to be such a PA, it would have been the last GE, where they could have stopped Brexit, give 16 year olds the vote and introduce PR.
  • Any changes to food prices after Brexit are likely to be "very modest indeed" under the deal struck between the UK and the EU, the chairman of Tesco has said.

    John Allan told the BBC that it would "hardly be felt in terms of the prices that consumers are paying".

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55460948

    Considering the perilous state that some of the price rise negotiations between the blue chips and Tesco are in, this is a smart move by their chairman. He'll blame a modest few percent of the price rise on Brexit and the rest on the idiot manufacturers who failed to properly prepare their supply chains. Its their fault not ours etc.
  • twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1343217443322392576

    We hear this is a possibility every election. If there was ever going to be such a PA, it would have been the last GE, where they could have stopped Brexit, give 16 year olds the vote and introduce PR.
    Agree, although I think like 1997 there is a slim possibility Labour doesn't bother to campaign in certain seats and vice versa for LDs?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,126
    edited December 2020
    I'd like PR introduced in some form, but a 'progressive alliance' seems to pop up as an idea of PR dreamers far too often. There's just too many other things they all disagree on to work out a deal purely to achieve this one goal. I know the map is just for fun, but a progressive alliance is a weirdly enduring fantasy, usually around imagining LDs/Greens/whoever being wholly defined by anti-Toryism, when if that was all that mattered no one but Labour would have ever existed.

    As FrancisUrquhart says, the prime moment for it is past. Whether there are smaller informal agreements is another matter. It's hard to work out what is a reasonable number of places to help out another in that way, and where. The Greens are a good example - obvioulsy whilst Lucas is there many say she should be given a clear run, even from Labour (though I'd disagree), but once she stands down should the Greens be granted any favours there?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,209
    Interesting predictions from @DavidL who I can now picture since the full name when googled pulls up a photo of this quite urbane looking Scottish lawyer who it must be. Talking silver fox, sort of thing, which I hadn't really anticipated. Not saying I'm surprised - I'm not - I'm just saying precisely what I mean. I hadn't really anticipated it.

    As for the actual predictions, they mostly look very feasible. Hoping the (chronologically) very 1st one falls, however, and I reckon it will. The odds say the Dems do not pull off the Georgia double but I say they will. Another contra consensus prediction of mine is we will see and hear little of political note from Donald Trump. Stripped of the trappings of POTUS his essential absurdity will become ever more apparent to ever more people.

    And to @ydoethur re SNP Blackford, I can't say I like him - in fact I dislike his aura - but he is forceful and fluent and he does have a presence. Sort of bloke you might wish to ignore but find you sadly can't. That's my assessment. Definitely not a joke figure.
  • Am I missing something or can Johnson just ignore a second referendum forever

    You are not missing anything CHB. The second referendum has no legal mandate at Westminster which ultimately has the final say.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Context? Seems to be the Taff in Cardiff, and levels seem to be safe and falling

    https://riverlevels.uk/taff-llandaff-north-community-western-avenue#.X-ipLtj7SUk
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,599

    Am I missing something or can Johnson just ignore a second referendum forever

    You’re not missing something. Constitutional affairs are a reserved matter, a referendum cannot take place without primary legislation in the U.K. Parliament, as was the case with the 2014 referendum.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,770
    glw said:

    ydoethur said:

    Does anyone actually like or rate Ian Blackford?

    That’s a serious question.
    He's the most pompous berk in the House of Commons, which is some achievement considering he's up against the likes of Jacob Rees-Mogg.
    I used to think that too.

    However, he did an interview from his home at some point in the summer. He seemed rather warm and lovely.


  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,933
    They've been calling for it for years... decades now.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,126
    Sandpit said:

    Well there’s been a few knighthoods and peerages given out to former MEPs. I know NF isn’t everyone’s cup of tea, but it wouldn’t be particularly unreasonable to honour him this year.
    There's so many worthy people who don't have knighthoods (by choice or omission or buggin's turn), and so many unworthy people who do, it'd be hard to be outraged at the man getting one.

    As ever, better someone get a gong than a Peerage.
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172

    twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1343217443322392576

    We hear this is a possibility every election. If there was ever going to be such a PA, it would have been the last GE, where they could have stopped Brexit, give 16 year olds the vote and introduce PR.
    Agree, although I think like 1997 there is a slim possibility Labour doesn't bother to campaign in certain seats and vice versa for LDs?
    To get to PR, Labour have to believe they will never, ever win a UK General Election under FPTP again.

    I probably do believe that, but I bet most Labour Party members don't.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,101
    edited December 2020

    Am I missing something or can Johnson just ignore a second referendum forever

    You are not missing anything CHB. The second referendum has no legal mandate at Westminster which ultimately has the final say.
    To be honest that is a big problem for the SNP as both the HOC and HOL would need to agree the legislation and at present there is a huge majority against another referendum

    I also would caution the SNP into taking the Orkneys and Shetlands into their independence campaign as it does look possible they could indeed leave Scotland for their own independence
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,086
    edited December 2020

    twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1343217443322392576

    We hear this is a possibility every election. If there was ever going to be such a PA, it would have been the last GE, where they could have stopped Brexit, give 16 year olds the vote and introduce PR.
    Agree, although I think like 1997 there is a slim possibility Labour doesn't bother to campaign in certain seats and vice versa for LDs?
    To get to PR, Labour have to believe they will never, ever win a UK General Election under FPTP again.

    I probably do believe that, but I bet most Labour Party members don't.
    I think it is perfectly possible for Labour to do so. Reasonable leader and shadow team, dump the woke / everybody is a racist they just don't know it / colonial stuff, focus on workable solutions to key issues like house prices / rents, education costs, decent wages.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,879

    twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1343217443322392576

    We hear this is a possibility every election. If there was ever going to be such a PA, it would have been the last GE, where they could have stopped Brexit, give 16 year olds the vote and introduce PR.
    Can it not be argued that something of the sort happened in Scotland in the 1990s? It was very much an anti-Tory alliance.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,851
    IshmaelZ - There is more rain expected for this evening and tomorrow morning. After that the local forecast is fairly dry.
  • twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1343217443322392576

    We hear this is a possibility every election. If there was ever going to be such a PA, it would have been the last GE, where they could have stopped Brexit, give 16 year olds the vote and introduce PR.
    Agree, although I think like 1997 there is a slim possibility Labour doesn't bother to campaign in certain seats and vice versa for LDs?
    To get to PR, Labour have to believe they will never, ever win a UK General Election under FPTP again.

    I probably do believe that, but I bet most Labour Party members don't.
    Keir has been so far quiet on the issue, a good number of his SC support it.

    Although I don't know whether such a policy would require a conference vote or whether he could just pledge to introduce it? Perhaps a referendum first.

    I think Labour should undoubtedly back it.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,126
    kinabalu said:

    Interesting predictions from @DavidL who I can now picture since the full name when googled pulls up a photo of this quite urbane looking Scottish lawyer who it must be.

    I hate having my internal picture of PBers destroyed, ruins the mystique. Granted, in this case I was imagining an urbane Scottish laywer anyway, but still, think of the lost mystery.

    Just in case it should ever come up, I should warn PBers I am not the 6ft 6 muscle bound adonis they were probably picturing me as.
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172

    twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1343217443322392576

    We hear this is a possibility every election. If there was ever going to be such a PA, it would have been the last GE, where they could have stopped Brexit, give 16 year olds the vote and introduce PR.
    Agree, although I think like 1997 there is a slim possibility Labour doesn't bother to campaign in certain seats and vice versa for LDs?
    To get to PR, Labour have to believe they will never, ever win a UK General Election under FPTP again.

    I probably do believe that, but I bet most Labour Party members don't.
    I think it is perfectly possible for Labour to do so.
    Without Scotland, and with the Welsh seats reduced in number by the next GE... I don't see how Labour get a majority of seats.

    They can get to largest party, sure, but win a majority?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,126
    RobD said:

    They've been calling for it for years... decades now.
    Ah, so on Brexit time it is due?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,933

    twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1343217443322392576

    We hear this is a possibility every election. If there was ever going to be such a PA, it would have been the last GE, where they could have stopped Brexit, give 16 year olds the vote and introduce PR.
    Agree, although I think like 1997 there is a slim possibility Labour doesn't bother to campaign in certain seats and vice versa for LDs?
    To get to PR, Labour have to believe they will never, ever win a UK General Election under FPTP again.

    I probably do believe that, but I bet most Labour Party members don't.
    Keir has been so far quiet on the issue, a good number of his SC support it.

    Although I don't know whether such a policy would require a conference vote or whether he could just pledge to introduce it? Perhaps a referendum first.

    I think Labour should undoubtedly back it.
    I think the electorate will view it quite cynically. Changing the electoral system just for partisan advantage won't go down well.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,893
    This argument was trotted out after the 1992 GE when some called for an anti-Conservative electoral pact. In effect, some thing like that happened but it wasn't planned from above but from below. There were instances of "local understandings" between Labour, LD and others.

    In 1997, at constituency level, it was more tacit than strategic - where either Labour or the LDs was perceived as the clear challenger to the Conservatives, the other party did very little or nothing.

    Oddly enough, the strength and size of the Labour vote proved in some ways counter-productive. The Conservatives survived in a few seats on the strength of the Labour vote not transferring across to the LDs who were in second place and indeed there were a few incidents of Labour moving from third to first (Bristol West, Falmouth & Camborne).

    As a wise man said, "that was then but this is now". Would Labour voters tactically vote LD against a Conservative - perhaps. Would LD voters vote tactically Labour against a Conservative? There's also the Greens to consider - the electoral pact in Bristol West was one instance.

    The truth is electoral pacts imposed from above don't usually work well but if they form in the area they can work better but neither is the panacea some would hope.
  • Sandpit said:

    Am I missing something or can Johnson just ignore a second referendum forever

    You’re not missing something. Constitutional affairs are a reserved matter, a referendum cannot take place without primary legislation in the U.K. Parliament, as was the case with the 2014 referendum.
    What is the law against an advisory referendum?
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    F1: got a £1 free bet so stuck it on Leclerc at 34 each way (third the odds top 2) to win the driver's in 2021.

    Ferrari's performance fell off a cliff in 2020, compared to 2019. This is because they were naughty with the engine in 2019 and effectively had a massive setback in on-track performance. This should see a dramatic recovery on that front next year and the regulation changes are on the modest side.

    We know Leclerc's fast and also favoured by the time, and this year, even with a dominant car, Bottas struggled to beat Verstappen (the Finn did have some bad luck, to be fair).

    It's not a bad shout for a free bet that might come off. And nothing lost if it doesn't.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,599
    kle4 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Well there’s been a few knighthoods and peerages given out to former MEPs. I know NF isn’t everyone’s cup of tea, but it wouldn’t be particularly unreasonable to honour him this year.
    There's so many worthy people who don't have knighthoods (by choice or omission or buggin's turn), and so many unworthy people who do, it'd be hard to be outraged at the man getting one.

    As ever, better someone get a gong than a Peerage.
    Yes, Peerages should be reserved for those willing to take an active part in the Legislature over a period of time. NF is probably not that man, especially when there’s lucrative US speaking engagements to be had.

    I suspect that, for example, Lord Hannan will better understand the role of a Lord, and be more willing to arrange his private engagements around when Parliament is sitting.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,933

    Sandpit said:

    Am I missing something or can Johnson just ignore a second referendum forever

    You’re not missing something. Constitutional affairs are a reserved matter, a referendum cannot take place without primary legislation in the U.K. Parliament, as was the case with the 2014 referendum.
    What is the law against an advisory referendum?
    That'd probably be 90, 95% Yes.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,770

    twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1343217443322392576

    We hear this is a possibility every election. If there was ever going to be such a PA, it would have been the last GE, where they could have stopped Brexit, give 16 year olds the vote and introduce PR.
    Agree, although I think like 1997 there is a slim possibility Labour doesn't bother to campaign in certain seats and vice versa for LDs?
    To get to PR, Labour have to believe they will never, ever win a UK General Election under FPTP again.

    I probably do believe that, but I bet most Labour Party members don't.
    Keir has been so far quiet on the issue, a good number of his SC support it.

    Although I don't know whether such a policy would require a conference vote or whether he could just pledge to introduce it? Perhaps a referendum first.

    I think Labour should undoubtedly back it.
    He's been quiet on the issue of 'compulsory clown hats for all', but I'm moderately confident that most of the SC don't support that.

    PR isn't in either of the main parties interests, but it perhaps will be if Scotland ever sails off that it is in Labour's.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,126
    RobD said:

    twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1343217443322392576

    We hear this is a possibility every election. If there was ever going to be such a PA, it would have been the last GE, where they could have stopped Brexit, give 16 year olds the vote and introduce PR.
    Agree, although I think like 1997 there is a slim possibility Labour doesn't bother to campaign in certain seats and vice versa for LDs?
    To get to PR, Labour have to believe they will never, ever win a UK General Election under FPTP again.

    I probably do believe that, but I bet most Labour Party members don't.
    Keir has been so far quiet on the issue, a good number of his SC support it.

    Although I don't know whether such a policy would require a conference vote or whether he could just pledge to introduce it? Perhaps a referendum first.

    I think Labour should undoubtedly back it.
    I think the electorate will view it quite cynically. Changing the electoral system just for partisan advantage won't go down well.
    Yes, it's hard for campaigners really, as there are people who genuinely support it as a good idea in itself, and of course people resistant to it for partisan advantage, but as a lot of people become converts to the idea around the time of lost elections, it can easily give the impression that everyone only wants the system that will help them the most. And so making it an issue people actually care about is hard, to the point you can abandon a promise to get rid of FPTP and no one will really care, as we've seen in other places.
  • twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1343217443322392576

    We hear this is a possibility every election. If there was ever going to be such a PA, it would have been the last GE, where they could have stopped Brexit, give 16 year olds the vote and introduce PR.
    Agree, although I think like 1997 there is a slim possibility Labour doesn't bother to campaign in certain seats and vice versa for LDs?
    To get to PR, Labour have to believe they will never, ever win a UK General Election under FPTP again.

    I probably do believe that, but I bet most Labour Party members don't.
    I think it is perfectly possible for Labour to do so.
    Without Scotland, and with the Welsh seats reduced in number by the next GE... I don't see how Labour get a majority of seats.

    They can get to largest party, sure, but win a majority?
    They probably need what 323 for a majority without Sinn Fein?

    So 121 seats to gain: http://www.electionpolling.co.uk/battleground/targets/labour

    Target 121 has a majority of 10270. 16 of those seats are in Scotland. 10.33% swing required.

    So assuming they fail to win any in Scotland, they need another 16 elsewhere, then you get to swings of 15% or more.

    Realistically their easiest solution is for the Lib Dems to do better, I can't see them forming a majority anytime soon and I say that as a Labour supporter.

    Labour/LD coalition without the SNP? More likely.
  • RobD said:

    twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1343217443322392576

    We hear this is a possibility every election. If there was ever going to be such a PA, it would have been the last GE, where they could have stopped Brexit, give 16 year olds the vote and introduce PR.
    Agree, although I think like 1997 there is a slim possibility Labour doesn't bother to campaign in certain seats and vice versa for LDs?
    To get to PR, Labour have to believe they will never, ever win a UK General Election under FPTP again.

    I probably do believe that, but I bet most Labour Party members don't.
    Keir has been so far quiet on the issue, a good number of his SC support it.

    Although I don't know whether such a policy would require a conference vote or whether he could just pledge to introduce it? Perhaps a referendum first.

    I think Labour should undoubtedly back it.
    I think the electorate will view it quite cynically. Changing the electoral system just for partisan advantage won't go down well.
    PR is better for all of us, it's not just a partisan issue. I get what you're saying so I think it would need to be a referendum before it could be implemented.
  • RobD said:

    Sandpit said:

    Am I missing something or can Johnson just ignore a second referendum forever

    You’re not missing something. Constitutional affairs are a reserved matter, a referendum cannot take place without primary legislation in the U.K. Parliament, as was the case with the 2014 referendum.
    What is the law against an advisory referendum?
    That'd probably be 90, 95% Yes.
    Well, thanks for answering a question rather than the question..
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