Worth bearing in mind that this is the first trade deal in history designed to make it harder not easier to trade. On average, economists think it will subtract about 4% from UK GDP in the long run, relative to single market membership. If they are right this cost is far greater than the net payments we made as an EU member. Still, it is better than no deal, and for that at least we should be thankful.
Adler stressing the new friction in physical trade and the deal doing very little for services, clearly to avoid the news appearing to suggest that the deal will solve all the potential problems.
I very much doubt the UK will rejoin in the future as our trading agreements with the rest of the world will change quite dramatically
Yet to see them sign any deal that is as good a deal as we have in EU, has anyone any evidence of where they got an improved deal for all the expense and hassle???? PS: I don't mean a miniscule opportunity like selling stilton to Japan either for worse terms
"The Tory MP Sir Bill Cash will lead a "star chamber" of Brexit lawyers including Martin Howe QC in poring over the legal text before giving a verdict to MPs ahead of a vote, expected to take place on December 30."
Worth bearing in mind that this is the first trade deal in history designed to make it harder not easier to trade. On average, economists think it will subtract about 4% from UK GDP in the long run, relative to single market membership. If they are right this cost is far greater than the net payments we made as an EU member. Still, it is better than no deal, and for that at least we should be thankful.
Well, no it really isn’t, and I say that as a Remainer. The EU wasn’t just about trade, or it’s unlikely we’d ever have left it. It also had major sociopolitical ramifications that were, to put it mildly, not universally popular.
This deal *is* designed to make trade easier than it would be in a clean break. So from that point of view it might fairly be compared to the free trade deals in the former Soviet Union, or Greenland’s arrangements with Denmark after 1985, which in itself sees your point fail.
Never is a long time. Not long ago people might have said the same thing about leaving. At some point the U.K. will leave nostalgia behind and embrace the C21. My hunch is that the future will neither look like leaving or rejoining, but something quite different.
Worth bearing in mind that this is the first trade deal in history designed to make it harder not easier to trade. On average, economists think it will subtract about 4% from UK GDP in the long run, relative to single market membership. If they are right this cost is far greater than the net payments we made as an EU member. Still, it is better than no deal, and for that at least we should be thankful.
You could not make it up , the Tory muppets on here ecstatic that fatso has signed a crap deal and we are much worse off than we were before. No wonder the Europeans are rolling about the floor laughing. Not hard to swap £20 for £10 yet it still took these muppets over 4 years.
We won't rejoin. We will never give up the pound sterling.
I'm with you on the first, but it's entirely possible that governments will lose control of currency at some point in the future.
On neither matter is the future writ in stone - and neither is of great concern for the next few years at least.
A deal will be a relief, but I suspect the practical consequences will disappoint many who voted to leave. None of the rest of us are expecting much anyway.
"The Tory MP Sir Bill Cash will lead a "star chamber" of Brexit lawyers including Martin Howe QC in poring over the legal text before giving a verdict to MPs ahead of a vote, expected to take place on December 30."
Telegraph
Who cares? They don't have the numbers.
They do have the numbers, not to vote down the deal, but to get rid of Boris.
Congratulations to Boris. It’s a historic achievement to avoid a No Deal. It really is.
Admittedly, it was Boris that made No Deal scarily possible since he ousted Theresa May, but he has managed to avert what would have been an economic and political calamity.
Despite his ill-advised Internal Markets Bill. And Cummings being allowed to firebomb half of Whitehall.
Hopefully Boris will now piss off and let the grown-ups rebuild links into the single market.
We won't rejoin. We will never give up the pound sterling.
I'm with you on the first, but it's entirely possible that governments will lose control of currency at some point in the future.
On neither matter is the future writ in stone - and neither is of great concern for the next few years at least.
A deal will be a relief, but I suspect the practical consequences will disappoint many who voted to leave. None of the rest of us are expecting much anyway.
The practical consequences might disappoint some of those who voted to leave, yes, but I think the fatigue has well and truly set in now and this issue won't be touched with a bargepole by any of the main parties until the next election.
Congratulations to Boris. It’s a historic achievement to avoid a No Deal. It really is.
Admittedly, it was Boris that made No Deal scarily possible since he ousted Theresa May, but he has managed to avert what would have been an economic and political calamity.
Despite his ill-advised Internal Markets Bill. And Cummings being allowed to firebomb half of Whitehall.
Hopefully Boris will now piss off and let the grown-ups rebuild links into the single market.
Congratulations to Boris. It’s a historic achievement to avoid a No Deal. It really is.
Admittedly, it was Boris that made No Deal scarily possible since he ousted Theresa May, but he has managed to avert what would have been an economic and political calamity.
Despite his ill-advised Internal Markets Bill. And Cummings being allowed to firebomb half of Whitehall.
Hopefully Boris will now piss off and let the grown-ups rebuild links into the single market.
Given Cummings’ track record, we owe Princess Nut Nuts, oooops, Carrie Symonds a debt of gratitude for being the pretext to fire him before he got his tiny mitts on the rest.
I very much doubt the UK will rejoin in the future as our trading agreements with the rest of the world will change quite dramatically
Yet to see them sign any deal that is as good a deal as we have in EU, has anyone any evidence of where they got an improved deal for all the expense and hassle???? PS: I don't mean a miniscule opportunity like selling stilton to Japan either for worse terms
From the 1st January the UK is free to strike deals and the biggest prize is the TPP which I expect us to join in the next couple of years, especially as Joe Biden is now likely to take the US into the partnership
"The Tory MP Sir Bill Cash will lead a "star chamber" of Brexit lawyers including Martin Howe QC in poring over the legal text before giving a verdict to MPs ahead of a vote, expected to take place on December 30."
Telegraph
Who cares? They don't have the numbers.
They do have the numbers, not to vote down the deal, but to get rid of Boris.
Do they? They might just have the #s to force a leadership challenge, but then???
It will be interesting to see the ERG’s take. Although, it is hard to have much faith in their abilities since they overlooked the glaring clauses in the Withdrawal Agreement.
"The Tory MP Sir Bill Cash will lead a "star chamber" of Brexit lawyers including Martin Howe QC in poring over the legal text before giving a verdict to MPs ahead of a vote, expected to take place on December 30."
Will we be able to put PT back in his box now that the most wonderful deal has been achieved by the worlds best ever leader? Or will we have to put up with years of explanation as to why it’s so good.
Congratulations to Boris. It’s a historic achievement to avoid a No Deal. It really is.
Admittedly, it was Boris that made No Deal scarily possible since he ousted Theresa May, but he has managed to avert what would have been an economic and political calamity.
Despite his ill-advised Internal Markets Bill. And Cummings being allowed to firebomb half of Whitehall.
Hopefully Boris will now piss off and let the grown-ups rebuild links into the single market.
"The Tory MP Sir Bill Cash will lead a "star chamber" of Brexit lawyers including Martin Howe QC in poring over the legal text before giving a verdict to MPs ahead of a vote, expected to take place on December 30."
Telegraph
Who cares? They don't have the numbers.
They do have the numbers, not to vote down the deal, but to get rid of Boris.
Do they? They might just have the #s to force a leadership challenge, but then???
There's a lot of MPs unhappy with Boris over the virus handling, piss the hard brexit crew off and they will easily have the numbers.
"The Tory MP Sir Bill Cash will lead a "star chamber" of Brexit lawyers including Martin Howe QC in poring over the legal text before giving a verdict to MPs ahead of a vote, expected to take place on December 30."
Telegraph
Who cares? They don't have the numbers.
They do have the numbers, not to vote down the deal, but to get rid of Boris.
Do they? They might just have the #s to force a leadership challenge, but then???
There's a lot of MPs unhappy with Boris over the virus handling, piss the hard brexit crew off and they will easily have the numbers.
Although it’s not just about whether they have a majority. As was proved with May, if about a third of the party vote against him he’s goosed - albeit not immediately - and I think that would be a likely outcome.
Will we be able to put PT back in his box now that the most wonderful deal has been achieved by the worlds best ever leader? Or will we have to put up with years of explanation as to why it’s so good.
And how it's all good because any ensuing business failures and job losses do not affect him personally.
Highlights: (1) Transmissibility estimated as 56% higher than pre-existing variants (2) Increased transmissibility fits the data much better than alternative explanations such as increased susceptibility among children, decreased generation time or (crucially) immune escape. (The last of those conclusions is supportive of hopes that existing vaccines and immunity acquired from previous infections will be protective.) (3) The new variant is unlikely to be controllable by a November-style lockdown, without closure of schools and universities (= common sense).
Worth bearing in mind that this is the first trade deal in history designed to make it harder not easier to trade. On average, economists think it will subtract about 4% from UK GDP in the long run, relative to single market membership. If they are right this cost is far greater than the net payments we made as an EU member. Still, it is better than no deal, and for that at least we should be thankful.
Well, no it really isn’t, and I say that as a Remainer. The EU wasn’t just about trade, or it’s unlikely we’d ever have left it. It also had major sociopolitical ramifications that were, to put it mildly, not universally popular.
This deal *is* designed to make trade easier than it would be in a clean break. So from that point of view it might fairly be compared to the free trade deals in the former Soviet Union, or Greenland’s arrangements with Denmark after 1985, which in itself sees your point fail.
If you are arguing that UK-EU trade won't be harder on Jan 1st after this deal takes effect than on Dec 31st under existing rules then you are demonstrably wrong. Of course it is better than no deal, which is why I said precisely that.
"The Tory MP Sir Bill Cash will lead a "star chamber" of Brexit lawyers including Martin Howe QC in poring over the legal text before giving a verdict to MPs ahead of a vote, expected to take place on December 30."
Telegraph
Who cares? They don't have the numbers.
They do have the numbers, not to vote down the deal, but to get rid of Boris.
Do they? They might just have the #s to force a leadership challenge, but then???
They may have the 40 needed but not the numbers to beat him post a Brexit deal
I very much doubt Boris will be going anywhere anytime soon
Simon Coveney, the Irish foreign minister, has said fishing is agreed in principle in the EU Brexit deal but there are still discussions on the details.
Negotiators are understood to be haggling over individual species and how many can be caught.
A planned briefing in Brussels on fish at 8.30am has been cancelled as the talks continue.
I very much doubt the UK will rejoin in the future as our trading agreements with the rest of the world will change quite dramatically
Yet to see them sign any deal that is as good a deal as we have in EU, has anyone any evidence of where they got an improved deal for all the expense and hassle???? PS: I don't mean a miniscule opportunity like selling stilton to Japan either for worse terms
From the 1st January the UK is free to strike deals and the biggest prize is the TPP which I expect us to join in the next couple of years, especially as Joe Biden is now likely to take the US into the partnership
It is hard to see what the TPP has to do with us. Although we might want to strike a trade deal with it, going so far as to join the thing would involve submitting to the sort of foreign rules and arbitration that we have just struggled to escape.
Mega concession from the EU wrt third country status on agriculture. The whole seed market block is a political fig leaf for them to say they did something despite the UK now not being aligned to EU agricultural standards and still having full export rights. It's a £13m export market by value, literally peanuts but it gives the EU an illusion of control.
Expect a lot more of these symbolic gestures in the deal for both sides where we or they maintain control over a tiny, tiny portion of some industry but ultimately both sides are free to get on with 99.9% of life and export to each other without too much fuss.
Congratulations to Boris. It’s a historic achievement to avoid a No Deal. It really is.
Admittedly, it was Boris that made No Deal scarily possible since he ousted Theresa May, but he has managed to avert what would have been an economic and political calamity.
Despite his ill-advised Internal Markets Bill. And Cummings being allowed to firebomb half of Whitehall.
Hopefully Boris will now piss off and let the grown-ups rebuild links into the single market.
Worth bearing in mind that this is the first trade deal in history designed to make it harder not easier to trade. On average, economists think it will subtract about 4% from UK GDP in the long run, relative to single market membership. If they are right this cost is far greater than the net payments we made as an EU member. Still, it is better than no deal, and for that at least we should be thankful.
Well, no it really isn’t, and I say that as a Remainer. The EU wasn’t just about trade, or it’s unlikely we’d ever have left it. It also had major sociopolitical ramifications that were, to put it mildly, not universally popular.
This deal *is* designed to make trade easier than it would be in a clean break. So from that point of view it might fairly be compared to the free trade deals in the former Soviet Union, or Greenland’s arrangements with Denmark after 1985, which in itself sees your point fail.
If you are arguing that UK-EU trade won't be harder on Jan 1st after this deal takes effect than on Dec 31st under existing rules then you are demonstrably wrong. Of course it is better than no deal, which is why I said precisely that.
Yes, but my point is that you are making a totally false statement. Your implication is we have negotiated a trade deal to make trade harder. We haven’t. We left a political system, rightly or wrongly, and negotiated a trade deal to free up trade in this new political situation rather than trade on WTO terms. Which actually happens very frequently. So whatever your private views on leave or remain, it is you who is ‘demonstrably wrong’ in your claim that ‘this is the first trade deal in history designed to make it harder not easier to trade.‘
Boris is determined to make everyone's Christmas as miserable as possible by announcing a deal, and setting leaver against remainer for ever and a day.
Congratulations to Boris. It’s a historic achievement to avoid a No Deal. It really is.
Admittedly, it was Boris that made No Deal scarily possible since he ousted Theresa May, but he has managed to avert what would have been an economic and political calamity.
Despite his ill-advised Internal Markets Bill. And Cummings being allowed to firebomb half of Whitehall.
Hopefully Boris will now piss off and let the grown-ups rebuild links into the single market.
Can you identify any ?
Any what?
Grown-ups.
No, I honestly can’t see any. Maybe with “Brexit” proper out of the way some sanity will return to the body politic.
It’s been a divisive, maddening, deluding force for four v long years.
Mega concession from the EU wrt third country status on agriculture. The whole seed market block is a political fig leaf for them to say they did something despite the UK now not being aligned to EU agricultural standards and still having full export rights. It's a £13m export market by value, literally peanuts but it gives the EU an illusion of control.
Expect a lot more of these symbolic gestures in the deal for both sides where we or they maintain control over a tiny, tiny portion of some industry but ultimately both sides are free to get on with 99.9% of life and export to each other without too much fuss.
Mega concession from the EU wrt third country status on agriculture. The whole seed market block is a political fig leaf for them to say they did something despite the UK now not being aligned to EU agricultural standards and still having full export rights. It's a £13m export market by value, literally peanuts but it gives the EU an illusion of control.
Expect a lot more of these symbolic gestures in the deal for both sides where we or they maintain control over a tiny, tiny portion of some industry but ultimately both sides are free to get on with 99.9% of life and export to each other without too much fuss.
It is not ‘literally peanuts.’ You can’t grow potatoes from peanuts.
I very much doubt the UK will rejoin in the future as our trading agreements with the rest of the world will change quite dramatically
Yet to see them sign any deal that is as good a deal as we have in EU, has anyone any evidence of where they got an improved deal for all the expense and hassle???? PS: I don't mean a miniscule opportunity like selling stilton to Japan either for worse terms
From the 1st January the UK is free to strike deals and the biggest prize is the TPP which I expect us to join in the next couple of years, especially as Joe Biden is now likely to take the US into the partnership
It is hard to see what the TPP has to do with us. Although we might want to strike a trade deal with it, going so far as to join the thing would involve submitting to the sort of foreign rules and arbitration that we have just struggled to escape.
It will be the world's largest trading block once the US joins and avoids a UK-US deal
Worth bearing in mind that this is the first trade deal in history designed to make it harder not easier to trade. On average, economists think it will subtract about 4% from UK GDP in the long run, relative to single market membership. If they are right this cost is far greater than the net payments we made as an EU member. Still, it is better than no deal, and for that at least we should be thankful.
Well, no it really isn’t, and I say that as a Remainer. The EU wasn’t just about trade, or it’s unlikely we’d ever have left it. It also had major sociopolitical ramifications that were, to put it mildly, not universally popular.
This deal *is* designed to make trade easier than it would be in a clean break. So from that point of view it might fairly be compared to the free trade deals in the former Soviet Union, or Greenland’s arrangements with Denmark after 1985, which in itself sees your point fail.
If you are arguing that UK-EU trade won't be harder on Jan 1st after this deal takes effect than on Dec 31st under existing rules then you are demonstrably wrong. Of course it is better than no deal, which is why I said precisely that.
Yes, but my point is that you are making a totally false statement. Your implication is we have negotiated a trade deal to make trade harder. We haven’t. We left a political system, rightly or wrongly, and negotiated a trade deal to free up trade in this new political situation rather than trade on WTO terms. Which actually happens very frequently. So whatever your private views on leave or remain, it is you who is ‘demonstrably wrong’ in your claim that ‘this is the first trade deal in history designed to make it harder not easier to trade.‘
I'm not actually sure what OLB said is true anyway about this being the only trade deal in history that makes trade harder rather than easier. Didn't Trump's recent deal with Mexico and Canada include more barriers than NAFTA?
Mega concession from the EU wrt third country status on agriculture. The whole seed market block is a political fig leaf for them to say they did something despite the UK now not being aligned to EU agricultural standards and still having full export rights. It's a £13m export market by value, literally peanuts but it gives the EU an illusion of control.
Expect a lot more of these symbolic gestures in the deal for both sides where we or they maintain control over a tiny, tiny portion of some industry but ultimately both sides are free to get on with 99.9% of life and export to each other without too much fuss.
Mega concession from the EU wrt third country status on agriculture. The whole seed market block is a political fig leaf for them to say they did something despite the UK now not being aligned to EU agricultural standards and still having full export rights. It's a £13m export market by value, literally peanuts but it gives the EU an illusion of control.
Expect a lot more of these symbolic gestures in the deal for both sides where we or they maintain control over a tiny, tiny portion of some industry but ultimately both sides are free to get on with 99.9% of life and export to each other without too much fuss.
Aren't our agri standards higher?
Yes, and the EU weren't willing agree third country status because of that. It's expected that there's now going to be an even bigger divergence but we've got third country status written into the deal. As I said it's a very big concession from them, freedom to diverge whilst maintaining third country status. The potato row is covering up that they've basically given us everything we asked for. Expect there to be serious pushback against it from EU agribusiness in the coming days.
Congratulations to Boris. It’s a historic achievement to avoid a No Deal. It really is.
Admittedly, it was Boris that made No Deal scarily possible since he ousted Theresa May, but he has managed to avert what would have been an economic and political calamity.
Despite his ill-advised Internal Markets Bill. And Cummings being allowed to firebomb half of Whitehall.
Hopefully Boris will now piss off and let the grown-ups rebuild links into the single market.
It was all theatre. But he might have accidentally tripped off the stage. Thankfully he hasn't - fingers crossed. We now have a very thin deal on which we can build rather than an acrimonious divorce.
Boris is determined to make everyone's Christmas as miserable as possible by announcing a deal, and setting leaver against remainer for ever and a day.
The die hard remainers and leavers may want to continue their battles but the vast majority will move on
And today is the last day that the Johnson government-media complex is in control of the Brexit deal. At the moment, we can all opine on what happens next because it's a matter of opinion. None of us have seen The Deal, let alone it's consequences.
But by tonight, there will be a real bulky document. People will start going through it. In January, there will be real bulky processes. The lipstick won't stay on forever.
Maybe it will turn out to be just the job. Maybe. But I would point out that:
1 Every other attempt to define how to do Brexit has fallen apart under examination. 2 Johnson is much better at opinion than reality.
We are not even members of TPP yet and that market will dwarf the EU
Furthermore, we will continue trading with the EU
Market for what? I think our manufacturing base will continue to shrink given the number of parts we import from the EU. If we join the TPP with the US that will just make it cheaper for them to sell us their crappy cars, and chlorinated chicken.
Mega concession from the EU wrt third country status on agriculture. The whole seed market block is a political fig leaf for them to say they did something despite the UK now not being aligned to EU agricultural standards and still having full export rights. It's a £13m export market by value, literally peanuts but it gives the EU an illusion of control.
Expect a lot more of these symbolic gestures in the deal for both sides where we or they maintain control over a tiny, tiny portion of some industry but ultimately both sides are free to get on with 99.9% of life and export to each other without too much fuss.
It is not ‘literally peanuts.’ You can’t grow potatoes from peanuts.
It always grates / amuses when people misuse the word "literally", but I fear the battle is now lost.
Boris is determined to make everyone's Christmas as miserable as possible by announcing a deal, and setting leaver against remainer for ever and a day.
The die hard remainers and leavers may want to continue their battles but the vast majority will move on
Rather depends on what happens to people’s jobs and whether the nationalists can be defeated.
Worth bearing in mind that this is the first trade deal in history designed to make it harder not easier to trade. On average, economists think it will subtract about 4% from UK GDP in the long run, relative to single market membership. If they are right this cost is far greater than the net payments we made as an EU member. Still, it is better than no deal, and for that at least we should be thankful.
Well, no it really isn’t, and I say that as a Remainer. The EU wasn’t just about trade, or it’s unlikely we’d ever have left it. It also had major sociopolitical ramifications that were, to put it mildly, not universally popular.
This deal *is* designed to make trade easier than it would be in a clean break. So from that point of view it might fairly be compared to the free trade deals in the former Soviet Union, or Greenland’s arrangements with Denmark after 1985, which in itself sees your point fail.
If you are arguing that UK-EU trade won't be harder on Jan 1st after this deal takes effect than on Dec 31st under existing rules then you are demonstrably wrong. Of course it is better than no deal, which is why I said precisely that.
Yes, but my point is that you are making a totally false statement. Your implication is we have negotiated a trade deal to make trade harder. We haven’t. We left a political system, rightly or wrongly, and negotiated a trade deal to free up trade in this new political situation rather than trade on WTO terms. Which actually happens very frequently. So whatever your private views on leave or remain, it is you who is ‘demonstrably wrong’ in your claim that ‘this is the first trade deal in history designed to make it harder not easier to trade.‘
I'm not actually sure what OLB said is true anyway about this being the only trade deal in history that makes trade harder rather than easier. Didn't Trump's recent deal with Mexico and Canada include more barriers than NAFTA?
Yes, notably in some areas to protect US industries. We also gave up loads of independent trade deals when we joined the EU. Nations suspend and amend trade deals all the time.
Mega concession from the EU wrt third country status on agriculture. The whole seed market block is a political fig leaf for them to say they did something despite the UK now not being aligned to EU agricultural standards and still having full export rights. It's a £13m export market by value, literally peanuts but it gives the EU an illusion of control.
Expect a lot more of these symbolic gestures in the deal for both sides where we or they maintain control over a tiny, tiny portion of some industry but ultimately both sides are free to get on with 99.9% of life and export to each other without too much fuss.
It is not ‘literally peanuts.’ You can’t grow potatoes from peanuts.
It always grates / amuses when people misuse the word "literally", but I fear the battle is now lost.
Worth bearing in mind that this is the first trade deal in history designed to make it harder not easier to trade. On average, economists think it will subtract about 4% from UK GDP in the long run, relative to single market membership. If they are right this cost is far greater than the net payments we made as an EU member. Still, it is better than no deal, and for that at least we should be thankful.
Well, no it really isn’t, and I say that as a Remainer. The EU wasn’t just about trade, or it’s unlikely we’d ever have left it. It also had major sociopolitical ramifications that were, to put it mildly, not universally popular.
This deal *is* designed to make trade easier than it would be in a clean break. So from that point of view it might fairly be compared to the free trade deals in the former Soviet Union, or Greenland’s arrangements with Denmark after 1985, which in itself sees your point fail.
If you are arguing that UK-EU trade won't be harder on Jan 1st after this deal takes effect than on Dec 31st under existing rules then you are demonstrably wrong. Of course it is better than no deal, which is why I said precisely that.
Yes, but my point is that you are making a totally false statement. Your implication is we have negotiated a trade deal to make trade harder. We haven’t. We left a political system, rightly or wrongly, and negotiated a trade deal to free up trade in this new political situation rather than trade on WTO terms. Which actually happens very frequently. So whatever your private views on leave or remain, it is you who is ‘demonstrably wrong’ in your claim that ‘this is the first trade deal in history designed to make it harder not easier to trade.‘
It is common in analysing trade deals to compare what has been negotiated with what went before, rather than with some hypothetical third scenario. Since I have repeatedly said that the deal is better than this hypothetical third scenario I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. Yes it is better than no deal, but much much worse than our prior arrangements.
Worth bearing in mind that this is the first trade deal in history designed to make it harder not easier to trade. On average, economists think it will subtract about 4% from UK GDP in the long run, relative to single market membership. If they are right this cost is far greater than the net payments we made as an EU member. Still, it is better than no deal, and for that at least we should be thankful.
Well, no it really isn’t, and I say that as a Remainer. The EU wasn’t just about trade, or it’s unlikely we’d ever have left it. It also had major sociopolitical ramifications that were, to put it mildly, not universally popular.
This deal *is* designed to make trade easier than it would be in a clean break. So from that point of view it might fairly be compared to the free trade deals in the former Soviet Union, or Greenland’s arrangements with Denmark after 1985, which in itself sees your point fail.
If you are arguing that UK-EU trade won't be harder on Jan 1st after this deal takes effect than on Dec 31st under existing rules then you are demonstrably wrong. Of course it is better than no deal, which is why I said precisely that.
Yes, but my point is that you are making a totally false statement. Your implication is we have negotiated a trade deal to make trade harder. We haven’t. We left a political system, rightly or wrongly, and negotiated a trade deal to free up trade in this new political situation rather than trade on WTO terms. Which actually happens very frequently. So whatever your private views on leave or remain, it is you who is ‘demonstrably wrong’ in your claim that ‘this is the first trade deal in history designed to make it harder not easier to trade.‘
It is common in analysing trade deals to compare what has been negotiated with what went before, rather than with some hypothetical third scenario. Since I have repeatedly said that the deal is better than this hypothetical third scenario I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. Yes it is better than no deal, but much much worse than our prior arrangements.
Yes, but our prior arrangements were not a trade deal, and shouldn’t therefore be compared on a like for like basis.
Mega concession from the EU wrt third country status on agriculture. The whole seed market block is a political fig leaf for them to say they did something despite the UK now not being aligned to EU agricultural standards and still having full export rights. It's a £13m export market by value, literally peanuts but it gives the EU an illusion of control.
Expect a lot more of these symbolic gestures in the deal for both sides where we or they maintain control over a tiny, tiny portion of some industry but ultimately both sides are free to get on with 99.9% of life and export to each other without too much fuss.
It is not ‘literally peanuts.’ You can’t grow potatoes from peanuts.
They won't be able to grow potatoes from UK seeds, either. So it's as good as peanuts.
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PS: I don't mean a miniscule opportunity like selling stilton to Japan either for worse terms
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Who cares? They don't have the numbers.
This deal *is* designed to make trade easier than it would be in a clean break. So from that point of view it might fairly be compared to the free trade deals in the former Soviet Union, or Greenland’s arrangements with Denmark after 1985, which in itself sees your point fail.
A deal will be a relief, but I suspect the practical consequences will disappoint many who voted to leave. None of the rest of us are expecting much anyway.
And since 80% of the world’s potatoes are certainly not grown in Europe, it’s not exactly a ‘devastating’ blow if the industry is that monopolistic.
Furthermore, we will continue trading with the EU
I do not want to be unkind but despite your 24/7 anti brexit postings you have failed
It’s a historic achievement to avoid a No Deal.
It really is.
Admittedly, it was Boris that made No Deal scarily possible since he ousted Theresa May, but he has managed to avert what would have been an economic and political calamity.
Despite his ill-advised Internal Markets Bill.
And Cummings being allowed to firebomb half of Whitehall.
Hopefully Boris will now piss off and let the grown-ups rebuild links into the single market.
Although, it is hard to have much faith in their abilities since they overlooked the glaring clauses in the Withdrawal Agreement.
https://twitter.com/GregoryDavisHNH/status/1341882210627055619
https://cmmid.github.io/topics/covid19/reports/uk-novel-variant/2020_12_23_Transmissibility_and_severity_of_VOC_202012_01_in_England.pdf
Highlights:
(1) Transmissibility estimated as 56% higher than pre-existing variants
(2) Increased transmissibility fits the data much better than alternative explanations such as increased susceptibility among children, decreased generation time or (crucially) immune escape. (The last of those conclusions is supportive of hopes that existing vaccines and immunity acquired from previous infections will be protective.)
(3) The new variant is unlikely to be controllable by a November-style lockdown, without closure of schools and universities (= common sense).
I’m going for a run.
I very much doubt Boris will be going anywhere anytime soon
Simon Coveney, the Irish foreign minister, has said fishing is agreed in principle in the EU Brexit deal but there are still discussions on the details.
Negotiators are understood to be haggling over individual species and how many can be caught.
A planned briefing in Brussels on fish at 8.30am has been cancelled as the talks continue.
Telegrph blog
Expect a lot more of these symbolic gestures in the deal for both sides where we or they maintain control over a tiny, tiny portion of some industry but ultimately both sides are free to get on with 99.9% of life and export to each other without too much fuss.
"The EU was a danger to our fish"
and
"Just Rejoice at that news a
Maybe with “Brexit” proper out of the way some sanity will return to the body politic.
It’s been a divisive, maddening, deluding force for four v long years.
Though the mooted posthumous pardon of James Earl Ray might cause a stir.
Edit: ha, snap! (not literally)
But by tonight, there will be a real bulky document. People will start going through it. In January, there will be real bulky processes. The lipstick won't stay on forever.
Maybe it will turn out to be just the job. Maybe. But I would point out that:
1 Every other attempt to define how to do Brexit has fallen apart under examination.
2 Johnson is much better at opinion than reality.
Not entirely clear what you think I was doing, or why you think it failed.
If you mean criticising Brexit, today (assuming they sign the bloody deal) is the best it is ever going to be.
All of the problems have been mainly theoretical until now. From here on the practical realities start to bite.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/literally
informal
used to emphasize what you are saying:
My heart was literally in my mouth. [If so, Hacker had a uniquely mobile anatomy - Ed.]