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  • Sounds like most pharmacies will NOT be involved in the vaccination programme. Another clusterf*ck incoming from NHS/Hancock Half Hour???


    NHS England to choose 'selected' number of pharmacies to deliver at least 1,000 COVID-19 vaccines per week

    "Pharmacies designated as COVID-19 vaccination sites by NHS England will need to administer “at least 1,000 vaccines each week” if they are to become part of the national vaccine delivery programme."

    https://www.pharmaceutical-journal.com/news-and-analysis/news/nhs-england-to-choose-selected-number-of-pharmacies-to-deliver-at-least-1000-covid-19-vaccines-per-week/20208608.article?firstPass=false

    I doubt it is Hancock decision but mass vaccination needs far more than chemist shops which are generally fairly small
    It is another decision where the centre dictates how things should happen and tries to retain total control and thereby makes a total arse of it and fails to achieve what they wanted.

    It's the same tactics as with test and trace - ruled out using local public health, had to be done by outsourced companies, whizzy new app, NHS centralised databases etc etc.

    Testing: couldn't follow Paul Nurse's idea of using the small university and r+d lab networks of testing capacity (with decades of experience and available straight away in March/April). No, had to use a whole new set of labs set up by as Lighthouses and which we are now finding out are poorly run and not following basic procedures.

  • Scott_xP said:
    We must, indeed, all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,439
    Is it cynical to suppose BoZo is floating his Albanian deal schtick tonight to see just how badly it polls before he signs the deal on Sunday?
  • Scott_xP said:
    Without saying it should happen, let alone that it will happen...
    What would it take?

    Purely hypotheically, would Gove and Sunak going together divert the government from its path?

    If not, what would?
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,456
    edited December 2020

    Sounds like most pharmacies will NOT be involved in the vaccination programme. Another clusterf*ck incoming from NHS/Hancock Half Hour???


    NHS England to choose 'selected' number of pharmacies to deliver at least 1,000 COVID-19 vaccines per week

    "Pharmacies designated as COVID-19 vaccination sites by NHS England will need to administer “at least 1,000 vaccines each week” if they are to become part of the national vaccine delivery programme."

    https://www.pharmaceutical-journal.com/news-and-analysis/news/nhs-england-to-choose-selected-number-of-pharmacies-to-deliver-at-least-1000-covid-19-vaccines-per-week/20208608.article?firstPass=false

    I doubt it is Hancock decision but mass vaccination needs far more than chemist shops which are generally fairly small
    From what I've seen, racecourses, stadia and empty warehouses are being roped in. Ascot and Cheltenham included.

    Parking at many big hospitals is a nightmare, so getting large numbers of people in there will be too hard. Covered stadia with large car parks should be ideal.

    These will work a lot better for the Oxford vaccine, though, unless there are plans to ship out the freezers.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,439

    Without saying it should happen, let alone that it will happen...
    What would it take?

    Purely hypotheically, would Gove and Sunak going together divert the government from its path?

    If not, what would?

    I think that would do it.

    Neither have the stones
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,884
    RobD said:

    Only one MP on QT this evening. Has that ever happened before?

    Are you sure? I thought Carrie had cancelled the Tories' boycott.
    The Tories never boycotted QT did they? I thought it was Newsnight they weren't interested in going on.
    They certainly never cancelled sneaking in their councillors into the audience.
    Isn't the audience always full of activists?
    Full of BNP when I went to the Nick Griffin special. The odd Labour and Green member might also have been there.
  • RobD said:

    Sounds like most pharmacies will NOT be involved in the vaccination programme. Another clusterf*ck incoming from NHS/Hancock Half Hour???


    NHS England to choose 'selected' number of pharmacies to deliver at least 1,000 COVID-19 vaccines per week

    "Pharmacies designated as COVID-19 vaccination sites by NHS England will need to administer “at least 1,000 vaccines each week” if they are to become part of the national vaccine delivery programme."

    https://www.pharmaceutical-journal.com/news-and-analysis/news/nhs-england-to-choose-selected-number-of-pharmacies-to-deliver-at-least-1000-covid-19-vaccines-per-week/20208608.article?firstPass=false

    From a logistics point of view is it not better to focus on the sites that can distribute more vaccines? The amount of time you'd spend getting the vaccines out to a place that does 50 a week is probably not worth it.
    Plus from a logistics sense the vaccine comes in a pack of approximately 500 doses which last for five days and it can't really be split easily due to the way it needs to be handled. So a GP doing 1000 per week can take a whole box of doses in a way that one doing 50 per week can't.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,223

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    It shows how insecure they are about Britain proving that the EU is unnecessary in a globalised world.
    It is curious that if Brexit is indeed going to be such a disaster for Britain they seem to be so desperate to protect themselves from a (presumably devastated) Britain....

    I know it's something that is beginning to dawn on people. The EU is absolutely shit scared of the UK finding a path outside the EU. It's difficult to continue telling nations like Sweden, Finland and the Netherlands that they need to keep paying the bill because there's no alternative when the UK is proving there is.

    I actually think part of this is because of the sterling work of Liz Truss, the speed and depth of our non-EU deals has surprised a lot of people. That's where a lot of the fear comes from, lots expected the UK to get bogged down in minutiae of trade deals, especially when their ones take between 5 and 8 years on average. They didn't expect the UK to be making friends and formal allies as quickly as this. It means our companies have got huge developed markets to export to even in a no deal scenario they didn't think we'd have.
    I don't want to give William a coronary but No Deal could actually be fatal to the EU.

    If they want their Union to last they need regional geopolitical stability and us on their side in a friendly relationship - gambling everything on trying to ideologically pwn a departing member state might make the other existing member states realise just how crud the EU institutions are and disintegration from within.
    I remember two years ago there were loads of articles and guffawing from the usual suspects and Twitter idiots about how the UK would be in the same international trade position as Afghanistan or whatever because we had no independent trade deals and no WTO representation.

    Now we have covered £160bn worth of trade, adding Mercosur in the very near future (both Brazil and Argentina pushing for it), in talks with Australia and New Zealand, putting together a membership proposal for CPTPP and adding services provisions for the existing trade deals.

    It's amazing (though not surprising) how little coverage this aspect of our external trade is getting.

    There's a lot of other primary service based economies in Europe that are going to look at service provisions in trade deals that the UK is going have in the near future and wonder why their companies are being muscled out of global markets because doing business with a British company is just easier.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,764

    ydoethur said:

    MaxPB said:

    It shows how insecure they are about Britain proving that the EU is unnecessary in a globalised world.
    It is curious that if Brexit is indeed going to be such a disaster for Britain they seem to be so desperate to protect themselves from a (presumably devastated) Britain....

    The biggest imaginable disaster for the EU is that Brexit is a roaring success. So they have played every dirty trick imaginable to impede the process of leaving,

    As however it was never very likely, all they have really done is end up with an even more outsize clusterfuck than they needed to, which will have very serious consequences for at least one, probably four, EU member states.
    They are overestimating the consequences for us and underestimating them for themselves.

    At the end of the day 55% of our trade will be totally unaffected by this and the remaining 45% just falls back on WTO rules - which are extensive.
    Besides which only 12% of our gdp is down to export so we are mithering about 6% of gdp of which we will still manage to keep a lot of that trade
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,527

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:



    It shows how insecure they are about Britain proving that the EU is unnecessary in a globalised world.

    It is curious that if Brexit is indeed going to be such a disaster for Britain they seem to be so desperate to protect themselves from a (presumably devastated) Britain....

    I know it's something that is beginning to dawn on people. The EU is absolutely shit scared of the UK finding a path outside the EU. It's difficult to continue telling nations like Sweden, Finland and the Netherlands that they need to keep paying the bill because there's no alternative when the UK is proving there is.

    I actually think part of this is because of the sterling work of Liz Truss, the speed and depth of our non-EU deals has surprised a lot of people. That's where a lot of the fear comes from, lots expected the UK to get bogged down in minutiae of trade deals, especially when their ones take between 5 and 8 years on average. They didn't expect the UK to be making friends and formal allies as quickly as this. It means our companies have got huge developed markets to export to even in a no deal scenario they didn't think we'd have.
    I don't want to give William a coronary but No Deal could actually be fatal to the EU.

    If they want their Union to last they need regional geopolitical stability and us on their side in a friendly relationship - gambling everything on trying to ideologically pwn a departing member state might make the other existing member states realise just how crud the EU institutions are and disintegration from within.
    Have you spent much time in the EU, Casino ? I don't ask this as a hostile question, but in my relatively recent experience on the continent this bears very little relationship to reallty. So far this is entirely the opposite lesson from the one others have generally drawn from our departure. That may or not change in the future, but the inescapable fact is that this is light years from the current continent of europe. Britain's departure is currently seen generally as a self-indicting failure by most, and it would take something extraordinary, or a very long time, to shift that.
    If anyone wants a lesson in how fast public opinion can shift then look at opinion towards the EU during the Eurozone crisis and how it shifted after Brexit. Which way it will go next depends very much where you are standing and what is happening there. For example -

    http://eprints.lse.ac.uk/50177/1/blogs.lse.ac.uk-The_Eurozone_crisis_has_increased_soft_Euroscepticism_in_Greece_where_Greeks_wish_to_remain_in_the_eu.pdf
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 50,728

    Scott_xP said:
    Without saying it should happen, let alone that it will happen...
    What would it take?

    Purely hypotheically, would Gove and Sunak going together divert the government from its path?

    If not, what would?
    The only thing that would do it is if Margaret Thatcher rose from her grave and declared Brexit a mistake.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,439
    I actually think Gove might resign after BoZo announces No Deal.

    Too late to do anything, but virtue signalling he doesn't like it
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705
    Brexit or Covid - which has become more tedious and irritating?

    On one hand Brexit has been going on for longer, on the other hand covid has made the much more instant and noticeable impact on our lives.
  • Sounds like most pharmacies will NOT be involved in the vaccination programme. Another clusterf*ck incoming from NHS/Hancock Half Hour???


    NHS England to choose 'selected' number of pharmacies to deliver at least 1,000 COVID-19 vaccines per week

    "Pharmacies designated as COVID-19 vaccination sites by NHS England will need to administer “at least 1,000 vaccines each week” if they are to become part of the national vaccine delivery programme."

    https://www.pharmaceutical-journal.com/news-and-analysis/news/nhs-england-to-choose-selected-number-of-pharmacies-to-deliver-at-least-1000-covid-19-vaccines-per-week/20208608.article?firstPass=false

    I doubt it is Hancock decision but mass vaccination needs far more than chemist shops which are generally fairly small
    Are you getting ready for another firebreak, Big G?
    Already cancelled Christmas with the family, decided not to shop in town today but went on line for everything including £300 of Amazon vouchers and personalised Xmas cards on e Bay

    Just not prepared to put ourselves at risk and if we do have a second firebreak that confirms Drakeford's abject failure when he swore to us only one firebreak was needed
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,884
    LibDems getting it from both ends?

    Vote share, I mean.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 80,522
    edited December 2020

    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1337089380423438337

    Historians will gawp at the stupidity of the repeated "save xmas" nonsense, started by No 10 weeks ago and fed to favoured journos, which has led to this point.

    Borderline criminal political comms.

    Summer vacation decision was worse...just.

    I could understand the rationale if there was no vaccine and this as far as everyone was concerned this was the nornal for.at least another year. But that isn't the case.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,527

    Scott_xP said:
    Without saying it should happen, let alone that it will happen...
    What would it take?

    Purely hypotheically, would Gove and Sunak going together divert the government from its path?

    If not, what would?
    Not at the moment, no. But things change and they can change fast. We're separating out the Brexit storm from the Covid storm at the moment. He's invulnerable in the former but on shakey ground on the latter (remember a week ago Tuesday?) but if they converge into some superhurricane of shit in the next two weeks, then things will start getting more interesting.
  • Sounds like most pharmacies will NOT be involved in the vaccination programme. Another clusterf*ck incoming from NHS/Hancock Half Hour???


    NHS England to choose 'selected' number of pharmacies to deliver at least 1,000 COVID-19 vaccines per week

    "Pharmacies designated as COVID-19 vaccination sites by NHS England will need to administer “at least 1,000 vaccines each week” if they are to become part of the national vaccine delivery programme."

    https://www.pharmaceutical-journal.com/news-and-analysis/news/nhs-england-to-choose-selected-number-of-pharmacies-to-deliver-at-least-1000-covid-19-vaccines-per-week/20208608.article?firstPass=false

    I doubt it is Hancock decision but mass vaccination needs far more than chemist shops which are generally fairly small
    Are you getting ready for another firebreak, Big G?
    Already cancelled Christmas with the family, decided not to shop in town today but went on line for everything including £300 of Amazon vouchers and personalised Xmas cards on e Bay

    Just not prepared to put ourselves at risk and if we do have a second firebreak that confirms Drakeford's abject failure when he swore to us only one firebreak was needed
    A sensible approach Big G - I know you and your family have been taking a prudent approach on this.

    Yes Drakeford is in the 'low credibility' zone on this - he may as well say 'lockdown until 31 Jan' so as to give it a chance to work.

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,694
    Pebbles and rainwater? Luxury! When I were a lad, ‘twas half a cup of cold poison washed down wit broken glass.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 27,580
    Scott_xP said:
    Gisela Stuart should hold her head in shame.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,439

    Gisela Stuart should hold her head in shame.

    She got her peerage.

    Job done
  • God, another one! Is it foodie day for wanks?

    https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1337041267532976128?s=20
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 27,580
    Corbyn has 2.4 million Twitter followers? Wow, that's almost exactly the same number of people who voted for his party in GE2019.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,764

    Scott_xP said:
    Gisela Stuart should hold her head in shame.
    The only ones that should hang their shame are the politicians that over the years gave more and more of the power that was lent to them by the electorate to the eu. That is what created this mess
  • MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    It shows how insecure they are about Britain proving that the EU is unnecessary in a globalised world.
    It is curious that if Brexit is indeed going to be such a disaster for Britain they seem to be so desperate to protect themselves from a (presumably devastated) Britain....

    I know it's something that is beginning to dawn on people. The EU is absolutely shit scared of the UK finding a path outside the EU. It's difficult to continue telling nations like Sweden, Finland and the Netherlands that they need to keep paying the bill because there's no alternative when the UK is proving there is.

    I actually think part of this is because of the sterling work of Liz Truss, the speed and depth of our non-EU deals has surprised a lot of people. That's where a lot of the fear comes from, lots expected the UK to get bogged down in minutiae of trade deals, especially when their ones take between 5 and 8 years on average. They didn't expect the UK to be making friends and formal allies as quickly as this. It means our companies have got huge developed markets to export to even in a no deal scenario they didn't think we'd have.
    I don't want to give William a coronary but No Deal could actually be fatal to the EU.

    If they want their Union to last they need regional geopolitical stability and us on their side in a friendly relationship - gambling everything on trying to ideologically pwn a departing member state might make the other existing member states realise just how crud the EU institutions are and disintegration from within.
    Have you spent much time in the EU, Casino ? I don't ask this as a hostile question, but in my relatively recent experience on the continent this bears very little relationship to reallty. So far this is entirely the opposite lesson from the one others have generally drawn from our departure. That may or not change in the future, but the inescapable fact is that this is light years from the current continent of europe. Britain's departure is currently seen as a self-indicting failure in general by most around europe, and it would take something extraordinary, or a very long time, to shift that.
    Yes, I went to an international school, I am married to an EU citizen (who also voted Leave) and I have European friends - mainly German, Bulgarian and Polish. Most of them have told me they understand why Britain voted to Leave.

    These questions will be asked more and more after Britain goes. Already we have several European nations asking why the EU institutions still haven't approved the vaccine for their use when Britain already has. We also have Portugal arguing for a two-speed Europe now.

    They're starting to wake up. Too late for us of course.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 27,580
    Pagan2 said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Gisela Stuart should hold her head in shame.
    The only ones that should hang their shame are the politicians that over the years gave more and more of the power that was lent to them by the electorate to the eu. That is what created this mess
    Nothing to do with all you Brexit freedom fighters. I'm glad we've cleared that up.
  • Scott_xP said:
    Gisela Stuart should hold her head in shame.
    Quite right. It's not so much the egregious errors that appal - anyone is capably of making a mistake - but the smug certainty these people exhibited at the time.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,322

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    It shows how insecure they are about Britain proving that the EU is unnecessary in a globalised world.
    It is curious that if Brexit is indeed going to be such a disaster for Britain they seem to be so desperate to protect themselves from a (presumably devastated) Britain....

    I know it's something that is beginning to dawn on people. The EU is absolutely shit scared of the UK finding a path outside the EU. It's difficult to continue telling nations like Sweden, Finland and the Netherlands that they need to keep paying the bill because there's no alternative when the UK is proving there is.

    I actually think part of this is because of the sterling work of Liz Truss, the speed and depth of our non-EU deals has surprised a lot of people. That's where a lot of the fear comes from, lots expected the UK to get bogged down in minutiae of trade deals, especially when their ones take between 5 and 8 years on average. They didn't expect the UK to be making friends and formal allies as quickly as this. It means our companies have got huge developed markets to export to even in a no deal scenario they didn't think we'd have.
    I don't want to give William a coronary but No Deal could actually be fatal to the EU.

    If they want their Union to last they need regional geopolitical stability and us on their side in a friendly relationship - gambling everything on trying to ideologically pwn a departing member state might make the other existing member states realise just how crud the EU institutions are and disintegration from within.
    Have you spent much time in the EU, Casino ? I don't ask this as a hostile question, but in my relatively recent experience on the continent this bears very little relationship to reallty. So far this is entirely the opposite lesson from the one others have generally drawn from our departure. That may or not change in the future, but the inescapable fact is that this is light years from the current continent of europe. Britain's departure is currently seen as a self-indicting failure in general by most around europe, and it would take something extraordinary, or a very long time, to shift that.
    Yes, I went to an international school, I am married to an EU citizen (who also voted Leave) and I have European friends - mainly German, Bulgarian and Polish. Most of them have told me they understand why Britain voted to Leave.

    These questions will be asked more and more after Britain goes. Already we have several European nations asking why the EU institutions still haven't approved the vaccine for their use when Britain already has. We also have Portugal arguing for a two-speed Europe now.

    They're starting to wake up. Too late for us of course.
    So what you're saying is: you are the metropolitan liberal elite? Interesting.

    I too have family and friends from Europe and guess what? They say the complete opposite to you.
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  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,764

    Pagan2 said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Gisela Stuart should hold her head in shame.
    The only ones that should hang their shame are the politicians that over the years gave more and more of the power that was lent to them by the electorate to the eu. That is what created this mess
    Nothing to do with all you Brexit freedom fighters. I'm glad we've cleared that up.
    We lent them powers for five years we should have had a referendum and all stages indeed labour, the party you support, had that in their manifesto for lisbon. You reneged now eat the bitter fruit of that betrayal
  • MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    It shows how insecure they are about Britain proving that the EU is unnecessary in a globalised world.
    It is curious that if Brexit is indeed going to be such a disaster for Britain they seem to be so desperate to protect themselves from a (presumably devastated) Britain....

    I know it's something that is beginning to dawn on people. The EU is absolutely shit scared of the UK finding a path outside the EU. It's difficult to continue telling nations like Sweden, Finland and the Netherlands that they need to keep paying the bill because there's no alternative when the UK is proving there is.

    I actually think part of this is because of the sterling work of Liz Truss, the speed and depth of our non-EU deals has surprised a lot of people. That's where a lot of the fear comes from, lots expected the UK to get bogged down in minutiae of trade deals, especially when their ones take between 5 and 8 years on average. They didn't expect the UK to be making friends and formal allies as quickly as this. It means our companies have got huge developed markets to export to even in a no deal scenario they didn't think we'd have.
    I don't want to give William a coronary but No Deal could actually be fatal to the EU.

    If they want their Union to last they need regional geopolitical stability and us on their side in a friendly relationship - gambling everything on trying to ideologically pwn a departing member state might make the other existing member states realise just how crud the EU institutions are and disintegration from within.
    I remember two years ago there were loads of articles and guffawing from the usual suspects and Twitter idiots about how the UK would be in the same international trade position as Afghanistan or whatever because we had no independent trade deals and no WTO representation.

    Now we have covered £160bn worth of trade, adding Mercosur in the very near future (both Brazil and Argentina pushing for it), in talks with Australia and New Zealand, putting together a membership proposal for CPTPP and adding services provisions for the existing trade deals.

    It's amazing (though not surprising) how little coverage this aspect of our external trade is getting.

    There's a lot of other primary service based economies in Europe that are going to look at service provisions in trade deals that the UK is going have in the near future and wonder why their companies are being muscled out of global markets because doing business with a British company is just easier.
    Indeed. My company has never been busier.

    My bosses are ardent Remainers (extremely wealthy south-west London woke liberals - you know the type) but even they have pulled back from EU business and we're now focussed on Canada, the US and Australia - with lots of work in the UK too. We're not worried and might be hiring soon.

    The EU ratfucks us they ratfuck themselves.
  • I detect a sober mood on here tonite as No Deal hardens into a reality. My attempts to introduce some smutty humour earlier now seems out of place so I'll give the answers to my little quiz now and fetch my coat.

    6" = Much Ado About Nothing
    9" = As You Like It
    12" = Taming Of The Shrew
    Wet = Midsummer's Night Dream
    Dry = Twelfth Night

    And the GBS diagram was:

    0 0
    0 0 0

    Man and Superman.

    Bet you all can't wait to reproduce these little gems over Christmas. :)

    Toodle pip.

  • This guru wrote the worst manifesto since the early 1980s. When he's done his penance for that, he can come back with his new suggestions.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 27,580
    Scott_xP said:

    Gisela Stuart should hold her head in shame.

    She got her peerage.

    Job done
    When Edgebaston went Labour in 1997, I knew it was all over for the Conservatives. What a disappointment that, less than 20 years later she rubber stamped their foolhardy project, paving the way for Johnson.
  • Scott_xP said:

    I actually think Gove might resign after BoZo announces No Deal.

    Too late to do anything, but virtue signalling he doesn't like it

    Lol.
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    I think this tweet out of the thread referenced below sums up the disaster that the UK has made for itself: https://twitter.com/sturdyAlex/status/1337442949844627458
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