The notion that the masses will rally behind No Deal is preposterous - like thinking they'd have rallied behind Black Wednesday. Boris knows this. He also knows that a deal will be his Falklands moment. That's why the outcome isn't really in doubt.
It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?
He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.
It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?
He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.
One does wonder why London isn't already in Tier 3. Seriously, if the pandemic has taught us anything it's that "move fast and break things" is better than "Move slowly and break things later".
One does wonder why London isn't already in Tier 3. Seriously, if the pandemic has taught us anything it's that "move fast and break things" is better than "Move slowly and break things later".
@OnboardG1 regarding your comment on the last thread, I don't live in Wales.
It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?
He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.
Is he frit?
Boris, quite rightly, will hang on till the very last so that he can squeeze out all he can. He also knows that the more tense it gets, the more congratulations he'll receive in the ensuing orgasm of relief. Boris's Falklands moment is nigh - he just has to count the hours.
One does wonder why London isn't already in Tier 3. Seriously, if the pandemic has taught us anything it's that "move fast and break things" is better than "Move slowly and break things later".
@OnboardG1 regarding your comment on the last thread, I don't live in Wales.
One does wonder why London isn't already in Tier 3. Seriously, if the pandemic has taught us anything it's that "move fast and break things" is better than "Move slowly and break things later".
@OnboardG1 regarding your comment on the last thread, I don't live in Wales.
Huh for some reason I thought you did. And it's not just the name. Well, maybe Hancock is finally acknowledging that the plague is spreading in school settings.
Speaking of which, hope you've survived unscathed thus far.
One does wonder why London isn't already in Tier 3. Seriously, if the pandemic has taught us anything it's that "move fast and break things" is better than "Move slowly and break things later".
@OnboardG1 regarding your comment on the last thread, I don't live in Wales.
Lucky you.
Oi!
Just because we beat you at rugby more often than you can deal with...
One does wonder why London isn't already in Tier 3. Seriously, if the pandemic has taught us anything it's that "move fast and break things" is better than "Move slowly and break things later".
@OnboardG1 regarding your comment on the last thread, I don't live in Wales.
Huh for some reason I thought you did. And it's not just the name. Well, maybe Hancock is finally acknowledging that the plague is spreading in school settings.
Speaking of which, hope you've survived unscathed thus far.
Just about. Don't know how given the safety regs are not even a joke, just a shambles.
It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?
He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.
Is he frit?
That's a good question. The explanation might simply be that he's dithering.
It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?
He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.
Is he frit?
Boris, quite rightly, will hang on till the very last so that he can squeeze out all he can. He also knows that the more tense it gets, the more congratulations he'll receive in the ensuing orgasm of relief. Boris's Falklands moment is nigh - he just has to count the hours.
One does wonder why London isn't already in Tier 3. Seriously, if the pandemic has taught us anything it's that "move fast and break things" is better than "Move slowly and break things later".
@OnboardG1 regarding your comment on the last thread, I don't live in Wales.
Huh for some reason I thought you did. And it's not just the name. Well, maybe Hancock is finally acknowledging that the plague is spreading in school settings.
Speaking of which, hope you've survived unscathed thus far.
Just about. Don't know how given the safety regs are not even a joke, just a shambles.
Glad to hear it. Hope your Christmas break is restful at least. I'm still annoyed that the SNP didn't extend the Christmas holidays up here. It was a good idea and an extra week and a bit is going to do fuck all to affect education given how screwy this year has been.
It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?
He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.
Is he frit?
That's a good question. The explanation might simply be that he's dithering.
Or that he lacks the ability to make a decision. Somebody hand him a 50p piece (it has a known decision making ability)
It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?
He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.
Is he frit?
Boris, quite rightly, will hang on till the very last so that he can squeeze out all he can. He also knows that the more tense it gets, the more congratulations he'll receive in the ensuing orgasm of relief. Boris's Falklands moment is nigh - he just has to count the hours.
It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?
He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.
Is he frit?
Boris, quite rightly, will hang on till the very last so that he can squeeze out all he can. He also knows that the more tense it gets, the more congratulations he'll receive in the ensuing orgasm of relief. Boris's Falklands moment is nigh - he just has to count the hours.
It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?
He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.
Is he frit?
That's a good question. The explanation might simply be that he's dithering.
His hunch was always that if we just show the EU that we're 'serious', then they will suddenly bend to our will. He can't admit that he'd got this wrong without admitting that he published the wrong article and backed the wrong horse back in 2016.
The notion that the masses will rally behind No Deal is preposterous - like thinking they'd have rallied behind Black Wednesday. Boris knows this. He also knows that a deal will be his Falklands moment. That's why the outcome isn't really in doubt.
No Deal will be his Black Wednesday moment. An economic screw up centred on Europe. People who say that the EU will be blamed for the massive disruption caused by No Deal and rally round the flag forget 1992. The Tories ultimately suffered for it and the more pro-EU party, with half a mind to join the nacent Euro at some point, got in at the next election with a massive majority. People just don't think of this as a war.
It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?
He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.
Is he frit?
Boris, quite rightly, will hang on till the very last so that he can squeeze out all he can. He also knows that the more tense it gets, the more congratulations he'll receive in the ensuing orgasm of relief. Boris's Falklands moment is nigh - he just has to count the hours.
Yes.
And he will be General Galtieri.
No, he'll be The General Belgrano.
Well, he will definitely have a sinking feeling...
One does wonder why London isn't already in Tier 3. Seriously, if the pandemic has taught us anything it's that "move fast and break things" is better than "Move slowly and break things later".
@OnboardG1 regarding your comment on the last thread, I don't live in Wales.
Huh for some reason I thought you did. And it's not just the name. Well, maybe Hancock is finally acknowledging that the plague is spreading in school settings.
Speaking of which, hope you've survived unscathed thus far.
Just about. Don't know how given the safety regs are not even a joke, just a shambles.
Glad to hear it. Hope your Christmas break is restful at least. I'm still annoyed that the SNP didn't extend the Christmas holidays up here. It was a good idea and an extra week and a bit is going to do fuck all to affect education given how screwy this year has been.
Given they've now cancelled exams anyway, it's not as though there's any meaningful education reason to keep them open.
GCSEs will go the same way in England, probably far too late to come up with meaningful alternatives.
Just to put into context the UK has signed third party trade deals with 28 parties worth around £150-160bn in existing trade. Last year before Liz Truss took over it was basically zero. She's done a fantastic job.
Just to put into context the UK has signed third party trade deals with 28 parties worth around £150-160bn in existing trade. Last year before Liz Truss took over it was basically zero. She's done a fantastic job.
Just to put into context the UK has signed third party trade deals with 28 parties worth around £150-160bn in existing trade. Last year before Liz Truss took over it was basically zero. She's done a fantastic job.
It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?
He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.
Is he frit?
Boris, quite rightly, will hang on till the very last so that he can squeeze out all he can. He also knows that the more tense it gets, the more congratulations he'll receive in the ensuing orgasm of relief. Boris's Falklands moment is nigh - he just has to count the hours.
It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?
He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.
Is he frit?
Boris, quite rightly, will hang on till the very last so that he can squeeze out all he can. He also knows that the more tense it gets, the more congratulations he'll receive in the ensuing orgasm of relief. Boris's Falklands moment is nigh - he just has to count the hours.
Yes.
And he will be General Galtieri.
No, he'll be The General Belgrano.
Interesting factoid I found out recently. The General Belgrano was, prior to purchase by Argentina, the USS Pheonix and survived Pearl Harbor. I'm sure all you sophisticates knew this already but it was news to me.
It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?
He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.
Is he frit?
Boris, quite rightly, will hang on till the very last so that he can squeeze out all he can. He also knows that the more tense it gets, the more congratulations he'll receive in the ensuing orgasm of relief. Boris's Falklands moment is nigh - he just has to count the hours.
Yes.
And he will be General Galtieri.
No, he'll be The General Belgrano.
Interesting factoid I found out recently. The General Belgrano was, prior to purchase by Argentina, the USS Pheonix and survived Pearl Harbor. I'm sure all you sophisticates knew this already but it was news to me.
So it was originally an American, sold out to a foreign country and caused chaos...
Just to put into context the UK has signed third party trade deals with 28 parties worth around £150-160bn in existing trade. Last year before Liz Truss took over it was basically zero. She's done a fantastic job.
Yes, she's done well.
Among others...
Gove and Truss have been the MVPs of this process. I don't like Truss (far too "deregulate everything" for me) but she hasn't done badly. Gove has done a genuinely good job with the NI protocol because, unlike his boss, he knows how fragile the union is. There was some chat he'd quite like to kill the entire Internal Market Bill to avoid handing the SNP yet another round of ammunition in the event of no deal.
It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?
He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.
Is he frit?
Boris, quite rightly, will hang on till the very last so that he can squeeze out all he can. He also knows that the more tense it gets, the more congratulations he'll receive in the ensuing orgasm of relief. Boris's Falklands moment is nigh - he just has to count the hours.
Yes.
And he will be General Galtieri.
No, he'll be The General Belgrano.
Interesting factoid I found out recently. The General Belgrano was, prior to purchase by Argentina, the USS Pheonix and survived Pearl Harbor. I'm sure all you sophisticates knew this already but it was news to me.
So it was originally an American, sold out to a foreign country and caused chaos...
It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?
He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.
Is he frit?
Boris, quite rightly, will hang on till the very last so that he can squeeze out all he can. He also knows that the more tense it gets, the more congratulations he'll receive in the ensuing orgasm of relief. Boris's Falklands moment is nigh - he just has to count the hours.
Yes.
And he will be General Galtieri.
No, he'll be The General Belgrano.
Interesting factoid I found out recently. The General Belgrano was, prior to purchase by Argentina, the USS Pheonix and survived Pearl Harbor. I'm sure all you sophisticates knew this already but it was news to me.
So it was originally an American, sold out to a foreign country and caused chaos...
Then plumbed new depths?
Ran into danger and got torpedoed by something it should have seen coming.
Just to put into context the UK has signed third party trade deals with 28 parties worth around £150-160bn in existing trade. Last year before Liz Truss took over it was basically zero. She's done a fantastic job.
Yes, she's done well.
Among others...
Gove and Truss have been the MVPs of this process. I don't like Truss (far too "deregulate everything" for me) but she hasn't done badly. Gove has done a genuinely good job with the NI protocol because, unlike his boss, he knows how fragile the union is. There was some chat he'd quite like to kill the entire Internal Market Bill to avoid handing the SNP yet another round of ammunition in the event of no deal.
The joke was an implication that she has done everyone else.
Just to put into context the UK has signed third party trade deals with 28 parties worth around £150-160bn in existing trade. Last year before Liz Truss took over it was basically zero. She's done a fantastic job.
Yes, she's done well.
Among others...
Gove and Truss have been the MVPs of this process. I don't like Truss (far too "deregulate everything" for me) but she hasn't done badly. Gove has done a genuinely good job with the NI protocol because, unlike his boss, he knows how fragile the union is. There was some chat he'd quite like to kill the entire Internal Market Bill to avoid handing the SNP yet another round of ammunition in the event of no deal.
The joke was an implication that she has done everyone else.
Ah. Wasn't that in Williamson's little black book that got leaked?
The chairman of EMS Healthcare, who has been a director of the company since 2013, is Iain Johnston – a former business partner of Shirley and Robert Carter, Hancock’s mother and stepfather.
Just to put into context the UK has signed third party trade deals with 28 parties worth around £150-160bn in existing trade. Last year before Liz Truss took over it was basically zero. She's done a fantastic job.
Yes, she's done well.
Among others...
Gove and Truss have been the MVPs of this process. I don't like Truss (far too "deregulate everything" for me) but she hasn't done badly. Gove has done a genuinely good job with the NI protocol because, unlike his boss, he knows how fragile the union is. There was some chat he'd quite like to kill the entire Internal Market Bill to avoid handing the SNP yet another round of ammunition in the event of no deal.
The joke was an implication that she has done everyone else.
Ah. Wasn't that in Williamson's little black book that got leaked?
It may have been, but I don't think we needed a book!
Famously the first minister of agriculture to be ploughed by a Field.
To be fair unlike most of the rest of the cabinet he is quite new to the shameless lying and kleptocracy angle. Give him time and I reckon he can at least reach the Shapps level.
It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?
He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.
Is he frit?
Of course he is. (Ancient example: when he ran away from the 2016 Leadership Election because it wasn't a shoe-in.)
But also: Boris's deal promises to be a bit rubbish (what with the whole not-trying-for-services-access-at-all, and not-enough-people-in-booths-at-ports things). If a deal tuns out rubbish, it's nobody's fault but his. If no deal turns out rubbish, he can blame those damn foreigners.
He's a terrible politician and person, but has a definite cunning for sensing this sort of thing.
Just to put into context the UK has signed third party trade deals with 28 parties worth around £150-160bn in existing trade. Last year before Liz Truss took over it was basically zero. She's done a fantastic job.
Yes, she's done well.
Among others...
Gove and Truss have been the MVPs of this process. I don't like Truss (far too "deregulate everything" for me) but she hasn't done badly. Gove has done a genuinely good job with the NI protocol because, unlike his boss, he knows how fragile the union is. There was some chat he'd quite like to kill the entire Internal Market Bill to avoid handing the SNP yet another round of ammunition in the event of no deal.
The joke was an implication that she has done everyone else.
Ah. Wasn't that in Williamson's little black book that got leaked?
It may have been, but I don't think we needed a book!
Famously the first minister of agriculture to be ploughed by a Field.
It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?
He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.
Is he frit?
Of course he is. (Ancient example: when he ran away from the 2016 Leadership Election because it wasn't a shoe-in.)
But also: Boris's deal promises to be a bit rubbish (what with the whole not-trying-for-services-access-at-all, and not-enough-people-in-booths-at-ports things). If a deal tuns out rubbish, it's nobody's fault but his. If no deal turns out rubbish, he can blame those damn foreigners.
He's a terrible politician and person, but has a definite cunning for sensing this sort of thing.
You may consider him to be a terrible administrator. But he's evidently not a terrible politician, having won London twice, spearheading victory in a supposedly unwinnable referendum and then securing an 80 seat majority as PM.
You say he was fit in 2016 but maybe he's just very good at reading the runes? Had he run in 2016 and lost would he ever have become PM?
Just to put into context the UK has signed third party trade deals with 28 parties worth around £150-160bn in existing trade. Last year before Liz Truss took over it was basically zero. She's done a fantastic job.
Of course, it always helps to be compared to Liam Fox.
That is my "cake and eat it" manoeuvre, so I should be right no matter how it turns out
Having one's cake and eating it is impossible: one who has eaten a cake, of necessity no long has that cake. Johnson, you see, can do more than merely contradict himself about some matter of fact. So you fail to credit him with being the most accomplished liar in public life (as Rory Stewart put it: "a lifetime of practice and study has allowed Johnson to uncover new possibilities which go well beyond all the classifications of dishonesty attempted by classical theorists like St Augustine.")
It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?
He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.
Is he frit?
Of course he is. (Ancient example: when he ran away from the 2016 Leadership Election because it wasn't a shoe-in.)
But also: Boris's deal promises to be a bit rubbish (what with the whole not-trying-for-services-access-at-all, and not-enough-people-in-booths-at-ports things). If a deal tuns out rubbish, it's nobody's fault but his. If no deal turns out rubbish, he can blame those damn foreigners.
He's a terrible politician and person, but has a definite cunning for sensing this sort of thing.
You may consider him to be a terrible administrator. But he's evidently not a terrible politician, having won London twice, spearheading victory in a supposedly unwinnable referendum and then securing an 80 seat majority as PM.
You say he was fit in 2016 but maybe he's just very good at reading the runes? Had he run in 2016 and lost would he ever have become PM?
The evidence points to him being a great campaigner but a terrible administrator. But one also has to look at the quality of his opponents. Livingstone in the early days of his Hitler obsession and Corbyn.
Just to put into context the UK has signed third party trade deals with 28 parties worth around £150-160bn in existing trade. Last year before Liz Truss took over it was basically zero. She's done a fantastic job.
Of course, it always helps to be compared to Liam Fox.
Yes, definitely. It just goes to show how useless he was. Hopefully the government are serious about the CPTPP. Someone at work suggested that the UK look into associate membership of NAFTA or whatever it's called these days as it might be less onerous than a direct US trade deal and would be compatible with having independent trade deals too.
It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?
He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.
Is he frit?
Boris, quite rightly, will hang on till the very last so that he can squeeze out all he can. He also knows that the more tense it gets, the more congratulations he'll receive in the ensuing orgasm of relief. Boris's Falklands moment is nigh - he just has to count the hours.
Yes.
And he will be General Galtieri.
No, he'll be The General Belgrano.
Interesting factoid I found out recently. The General Belgrano was, prior to purchase by Argentina, the USS Pheonix and survived Pearl Harbor. I'm sure all you sophisticates knew this already but it was news to me.
So it was originally an American, sold out to a foreign country and caused chaos...
Then plumbed new depths?
Ran into danger and got torpedoed by something it should have seen coming.
To be fair a submarine is one thing it shouldn't have seen coming.
It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?
He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.
Is he frit?
Of course he is. (Ancient example: when he ran away from the 2016 Leadership Election because it wasn't a shoe-in.)
But also: Boris's deal promises to be a bit rubbish (what with the whole not-trying-for-services-access-at-all, and not-enough-people-in-booths-at-ports things). If a deal tuns out rubbish, it's nobody's fault but his. If no deal turns out rubbish, he can blame those damn foreigners.
He's a terrible politician and person, but has a definite cunning for sensing this sort of thing.
You may consider him to be a terrible administrator. But he's evidently not a terrible politician, having won London twice, spearheading victory in a supposedly unwinnable referendum and then securing an 80 seat majority as PM.
You say he was fit in 2016 but maybe he's just very good at reading the runes? Had he run in 2016 and lost would he ever have become PM?
To clarify: most of the time, being good at elections works as a signal that a party is set to be good at governing. Johnson (I think intuitively) and Cummings (I think more deliberately) hacked that process. Great at winning elections, but utterly hopeless at doing anything with that win.
Just to put into context the UK has signed third party trade deals with 28 parties worth around £150-160bn in existing trade. Last year before Liz Truss took over it was basically zero. She's done a fantastic job.
It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?
He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.
Is he frit?
Boris, quite rightly, will hang on till the very last so that he can squeeze out all he can. He also knows that the more tense it gets, the more congratulations he'll receive in the ensuing orgasm of relief. Boris's Falklands moment is nigh - he just has to count the hours.
Yes.
And he will be General Galtieri.
No, he'll be The General Belgrano.
Interesting factoid I found out recently. The General Belgrano was, prior to purchase by Argentina, the USS Pheonix and survived Pearl Harbor. I'm sure all you sophisticates knew this already but it was news to me.
So it was originally an American, sold out to a foreign country and caused chaos...
Then plumbed new depths?
Ran into danger and got torpedoed by something it should have seen coming.
To be fair a submarine is one thing it shouldn't have seen coming.
It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?
He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.
Is he frit?
Boris, quite rightly, will hang on till the very last so that he can squeeze out all he can. He also knows that the more tense it gets, the more congratulations he'll receive in the ensuing orgasm of relief. Boris's Falklands moment is nigh - he just has to count the hours.
Yes.
And he will be General Galtieri.
No, he'll be The General Belgrano.
Interesting factoid I found out recently. The General Belgrano was, prior to purchase by Argentina, the USS Pheonix and survived Pearl Harbor. I'm sure all you sophisticates knew this already but it was news to me.
There were three ships, present at Pearl Harbour, that survived till recent times - A tug, a coast guard cutter and the Belgrano.
Just to put into context the UK has signed third party trade deals with 28 parties worth around £150-160bn in existing trade. Last year before Liz Truss took over it was basically zero. She's done a fantastic job.
Of course, it always helps to be compared to Liam Fox.
Please!
It's the disgraced national security risk Liam Fox.
A tad harsh Big G. UvdL despite her limited role and personal restrictions will find fulfilment one day.
I was referring to those who tweet such schoolboy rubbish
UVDL is a huge improvement on Junckers
Says the guy who compared the Welsh circuit break to the Stasi.
The Welsh Government is a complete disaster and has today bowed to the unions closing all secondary schools with no notice to working parents
And it does not alter the schoolboy rubbish of those tweets
It's a classic example of the right decision at the wrong time. If we don't want a train wreck on our hands in January, we need to get the case rate among teenagers in particular under control before Christmas itself, and shutting schools is the best way to do it.
But that was a decision that needed to be taken a month ago and properly planned and communicated. Taking it now merely makes life more difficult.
It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?
He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.
Is he frit?
Boris, quite rightly, will hang on till the very last so that he can squeeze out all he can. He also knows that the more tense it gets, the more congratulations he'll receive in the ensuing orgasm of relief. Boris's Falklands moment is nigh - he just has to count the hours.
Yes.
And he will be General Galtieri.
No, he'll be The General Belgrano.
Interesting factoid I found out recently. The General Belgrano was, prior to purchase by Argentina, the USS Pheonix and survived Pearl Harbor. I'm sure all you sophisticates knew this already but it was news to me.
So it was originally an American, sold out to a foreign country and caused chaos...
Then plumbed new depths?
Ran into danger and got torpedoed by something it should have seen coming.
To be fair a submarine is one thing it shouldn't have seen coming.
Why? Surely it had sonar?
I'll leave dura_ace for the definitive answer but i dont think subs are that easy to spot even with sonar.
That is my "cake and eat it" manoeuvre, so I should be right no matter how it turns out
Having one's cake and eating it is impossible: one who has eaten a cake, of necessity no long has that cake. Johnson, you see, can do more than merely contradict himself about some matter of fact. So you fail to credit him with being the most accomplished liar in public life (as Rory Stewart put it: "a lifetime of practice and study has allowed Johnson to uncover new possibilities which go well beyond all the classifications of dishonesty attempted by classical theorists like St Augustine.")
Ah. buit he invented Schroedinger's cake. It's eaten and on the plate at the same time.
It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?
He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.
Is he frit?
Boris, quite rightly, will hang on till the very last so that he can squeeze out all he can. He also knows that the more tense it gets, the more congratulations he'll receive in the ensuing orgasm of relief. Boris's Falklands moment is nigh - he just has to count the hours.
Yes.
And he will be General Galtieri.
No, he'll be The General Belgrano.
Interesting factoid I found out recently. The General Belgrano was, prior to purchase by Argentina, the USS Pheonix and survived Pearl Harbor. I'm sure all you sophisticates knew this already but it was news to me.
So it was originally an American, sold out to a foreign country and caused chaos...
Then plumbed new depths?
Ran into danger and got torpedoed by something it should have seen coming.
To be fair a submarine is one thing it shouldn't have seen coming.
Why? Surely it had sonar?
Since you're about, I need to pick your brain.
I'm trying to come up with the most famous/memorable cuckolded man in history.
The entry requirement for this is that the cuckolded chap has had to pretend a child really is his
So I'm thinking Robert Boothby/Harold MacMillan, but can you (and other PBers) come up with anyone better?
Anyone who suggests Saint Joseph is a naughty tinker, as I'm limiting this to real people.
Just to put into context the UK has signed third party trade deals with 28 parties worth around £150-160bn in existing trade. Last year before Liz Truss took over it was basically zero. She's done a fantastic job.
No Deal now isn't anywhere as bad as it would have been last year.
We have a lot more continuity trade thanks to Truss, we have sorted the Irish border and we have prepared for No Deal with all the customs site at least at basic levels of construction.
It's almost just the EU breakdown to consider and many businesses (far from all) have prepared for that all along.
For clarity I'd still prefer a deal, but not at any price.
A tad harsh Big G. UvdL despite her limited role and personal restrictions will find fulfilment one day.
I was referring to those who tweet such schoolboy rubbish
UVDL is a huge improvement on Junckers
Says the guy who compared the Welsh circuit break to the Stasi.
The Welsh Government is a complete disaster and has today bowed to the unions closing all secondary schools with no notice to working parents
And it does not alter the schoolboy rubbish of those tweets
It's a classic example of the right decision at the wrong time. If we don't want a train wreck on our hands in January, we need to get the case rate among teenagers in particular under control before Christmas itself, and shutting schools is the best way to do it.
But that was a decision a month ago and properly planned and communicated. Taking it now merely makes life more difficult.
Johnson is "prepared to travel to Paris or Berlin for talks". He's still stuck in David Davis 2016 mode.
Why?
We keep getting told UVDL lacks the mandate to negotiate only the Commission (Macron, Merkel etc) can change the mandate - but don't talk to the Commission.
How does that make any sense? You need to negotiate with the decision makers not the monkeys.
It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?
He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.
Is he frit?
Boris, quite rightly, will hang on till the very last so that he can squeeze out all he can. He also knows that the more tense it gets, the more congratulations he'll receive in the ensuing orgasm of relief. Boris's Falklands moment is nigh - he just has to count the hours.
Yes.
And he will be General Galtieri.
No, he'll be The General Belgrano.
Interesting factoid I found out recently. The General Belgrano was, prior to purchase by Argentina, the USS Pheonix and survived Pearl Harbor. I'm sure all you sophisticates knew this already but it was news to me.
So it was originally an American, sold out to a foreign country and caused chaos...
Then plumbed new depths?
Ran into danger and got torpedoed by something it should have seen coming.
To be fair a submarine is one thing it shouldn't have seen coming.
Why? Surely it had sonar?
I'll leave dura_ace for the definitive answer but i dont think subs are that easy to spot even with sonar.
Also depends if the cruiser was using active sonar or not. The former does rather tell everyone for miles and miles where you are. But the escorting destroyers should have dealt with that side anyway.
Sad to hear of the death of Paolo Rossi. He was a key part of what I still regard as the greatest game of football I have ever seen - the 1982 World Cup Quarter-Final between Italy and Brazil which the Italians won 3-2.
It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?
He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.
Is he frit?
Of course he is. (Ancient example: when he ran away from the 2016 Leadership Election because it wasn't a shoe-in.)
But also: Boris's deal promises to be a bit rubbish (what with the whole not-trying-for-services-access-at-all, and not-enough-people-in-booths-at-ports things). If a deal tuns out rubbish, it's nobody's fault but his. If no deal turns out rubbish, he can blame those damn foreigners.
He's a terrible politician and person, but has a definite cunning for sensing this sort of thing.
I've no doubt that is his thinking. However the arrival of Covid-19 within our borders was something noone expected and most governments have been caught flat-footed at. His approval ratings at dealing with it are, nevertheless, abysmal. He's been working for this moment for nearly five years and has failed to reach a deal. Why would the voters give him more credit for his handling of the ever present EU than it has for the very unexpected virus.
It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?
He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.
Is he frit?
Of course he is. (Ancient example: when he ran away from the 2016 Leadership Election because it wasn't a shoe-in.)
But also: Boris's deal promises to be a bit rubbish (what with the whole not-trying-for-services-access-at-all, and not-enough-people-in-booths-at-ports things). If a deal tuns out rubbish, it's nobody's fault but his. If no deal turns out rubbish, he can blame those damn foreigners.
He's a terrible politician and person, but has a definite cunning for sensing this sort of thing.
You may consider him to be a terrible administrator. But he's evidently not a terrible politician, having won London twice, spearheading victory in a supposedly unwinnable referendum and then securing an 80 seat majority as PM.
You say he was fit in 2016 but maybe he's just very good at reading the runes? Had he run in 2016 and lost would he ever have become PM?
To clarify: most of the time, being good at elections works as a signal that a party is set to be good at governing. Johnson (I think intuitively) and Cummings (I think more deliberately) hacked that process. Great at winning elections, but utterly hopeless at doing anything with that win.
I mean listen, I'd have done a lot differently with respect to covid in particular and have been pretty outraged at some of what they've done or failed to do. But we are a hair's breadth under a single year of the PM having a majority behind him. I think it would be churlish to mark the government's scorecard today.
Most Western countries have been an absolute clusterfunk with respect to covid policy. And the key issue he was elected to do was enact Brexit. We won't now how that's going to fully shake out for perhaps a year or two. Likewise the economic impact of covid, where the biggest test is still to come - executing the vaccine programme and ignoring the scientific advisors and aggressively dropping all mandated restrictions once the most vulnerable have been jabbed.
A tad harsh Big G. UvdL despite her limited role and personal restrictions will find fulfilment one day.
I was referring to those who tweet such schoolboy rubbish
UVDL is a huge improvement on Junckers
Says the guy who compared the Welsh circuit break to the Stasi.
The Welsh Government is a complete disaster and has today bowed to the unions closing all secondary schools with no notice to working parents
And it does not alter the schoolboy rubbish of those tweets
It's a classic example of the right decision at the wrong time. If we don't want a train wreck on our hands in January, we need to get the case rate among teenagers in particular under control before Christmas itself, and shutting schools is the best way to do it.
But that was a decision a month ago and properly planned and communicated. Taking it now merely makes life more difficult.
With the extra catpoo on the cupcake that the decision is, in practice, being taken in a piecemeal and no-notice way anyway.
Due to outbreaks in bubbles, one on mine is at a school where 2 year groups out of 7 are in self-isolation and the other is at a school where 3 out of 7 are similarly out.
Mine are still at school, but if either of them gets a self-isolation ticket next week, then Christmas is off, isn't it?
It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?
He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.
Is he frit?
Boris, quite rightly, will hang on till the very last so that he can squeeze out all he can. He also knows that the more tense it gets, the more congratulations he'll receive in the ensuing orgasm of relief. Boris's Falklands moment is nigh - he just has to count the hours.
Yes.
And he will be General Galtieri.
No, he'll be The General Belgrano.
Interesting factoid I found out recently. The General Belgrano was, prior to purchase by Argentina, the USS Pheonix and survived Pearl Harbor. I'm sure all you sophisticates knew this already but it was news to me.
So it was originally an American, sold out to a foreign country and caused chaos...
Then plumbed new depths?
Ran into danger and got torpedoed by something it should have seen coming.
To be fair a submarine is one thing it shouldn't have seen coming.
Why? Surely it had sonar?
Since you're about, I need to pick your brain.
I'm trying to come up with the most famous/memorable cuckolded man in history.
The entry requirement for this is that the cuckolded chap has had to pretend a child really is his
So I'm thinking Robert Boothby/Harold MacMillan, but can you (and other PBers) come up with anyone better?
Anyone who suggests Saint Joseph is a naughty tinker, as I'm limiting this to real people.
It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?
He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.
Is he frit?
Boris, quite rightly, will hang on till the very last so that he can squeeze out all he can. He also knows that the more tense it gets, the more congratulations he'll receive in the ensuing orgasm of relief. Boris's Falklands moment is nigh - he just has to count the hours.
Yes.
And he will be General Galtieri.
No, he'll be The General Belgrano.
Interesting factoid I found out recently. The General Belgrano was, prior to purchase by Argentina, the USS Pheonix and survived Pearl Harbor. I'm sure all you sophisticates knew this already but it was news to me.
So it was originally an American, sold out to a foreign country and caused chaos...
Then plumbed new depths?
Ran into danger and got torpedoed by something it should have seen coming.
To be fair a submarine is one thing it shouldn't have seen coming.
Why? Surely it had sonar?
Since you're about, I need to pick your brain.
I'm trying to come up with the most famous/memorable cuckolded man in history.
The entry requirement for this is that the cuckolded chap has had to pretend a child really is his
So I'm thinking Robert Boothby/Harold MacMillan, but can you (and other PBers) come up with anyone better?
Anyone who suggests Saint Joseph is a naughty tinker, as I'm limiting this to real people.
It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?
He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.
Is he frit?
Boris, quite rightly, will hang on till the very last so that he can squeeze out all he can. He also knows that the more tense it gets, the more congratulations he'll receive in the ensuing orgasm of relief. Boris's Falklands moment is nigh - he just has to count the hours.
Yes.
And he will be General Galtieri.
No, he'll be The General Belgrano.
Interesting factoid I found out recently. The General Belgrano was, prior to purchase by Argentina, the USS Pheonix and survived Pearl Harbor. I'm sure all you sophisticates knew this already but it was news to me.
So it was originally an American, sold out to a foreign country and caused chaos...
Then plumbed new depths?
Ran into danger and got torpedoed by something it should have seen coming.
To be fair a submarine is one thing it shouldn't have seen coming.
Why? Surely it had sonar?
Since you're about, I need to pick your brain.
I'm trying to come up with the most famous/memorable cuckolded man in history.
The entry requirement for this is that the cuckolded chap has had to pretend a child really is his
So I'm thinking Robert Boothby/Harold MacMillan, but can you (and other PBers) come up with anyone better?
Anyone who suggests Saint Joseph is a naughty tinker, as I'm limiting this to real people.
Earl of Castlemaine/Charles II Stuart?
I'm thinking of the husband of Nelson's mistress, Lady Hamilton, but am not sure of the details. [Is anybody?]
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He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.
Is he frit?
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1370807/brexit-news-boris-johnson-rupert-lowe-iain-duncan-smith-john-redwood-erg-trade-deal
Speaking of which, hope you've survived unscathed thus far.
Just because we beat you at rugby more often than you can deal with...
And he will be General Galtieri.
Some meaty stuff (if you pardon the pun) in that thread. The British Sausage in NI gets a 6-month reprieve.
https://twitter.com/Coldwar_Steve/status/1337068146293956614/photo/1
https://twitter.com/Keynesianism/status/1336999359439892481
https://www.tes.com/news/teachers-scorn-over-plan-cancel-18th-dec-classes
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Back in 2016 it seemed barely possible we would be left with the 2 worst Brexit outcomes. Neither of which are acceptable
GCSEs will go the same way in England, probably far too late to come up with meaningful alternatives.
By twats. For twats.
To be...
Not to be...
That is quite a connection.
Current Betfair prices:-
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Famously the first minister of agriculture to be ploughed by a Field.
UVDL is a huge improvement on Junckers
But also: Boris's deal promises to be a bit rubbish (what with the whole not-trying-for-services-access-at-all, and not-enough-people-in-booths-at-ports things). If a deal tuns out rubbish, it's nobody's fault but his. If no deal turns out rubbish, he can blame those damn foreigners.
He's a terrible politician and person, but has a definite cunning for sensing this sort of thing.
It's 2B or not 2B.
Anyone with half a brain could have told you it would be a clusterfuck. Indeed many on here did just that.
Oh but this is not the "true" Brexit, right? Like "proper" socialism hasn't been tried.
Brexit: 'Strong possibility' of no trade deal with EU - PM https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55266678
You say he was fit in 2016 but maybe he's just very good at reading the runes? Had he run in 2016 and lost would he ever have become PM?
Johnson, you see, can do more than merely contradict himself about some matter of fact. So you fail to credit him with being the most accomplished liar in public life (as Rory Stewart put it: "a lifetime of practice and study has allowed Johnson to uncover new possibilities which go well beyond all the classifications of dishonesty attempted by classical theorists like St Augustine.")
https://twitter.com/lisaocarroll/status/1337094978011533312
It's the disgraced national security risk Liam Fox.
And it does not alter the schoolboy rubbish of those tweets
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1337083285802016776?s=20
But that was a decision that needed to be taken a month ago and properly planned and communicated. Taking it now merely makes life more difficult.
What worries me is that our immediate, contingent, reason for leaving will be pescatorial.
I'm trying to come up with the most famous/memorable cuckolded man in history.
The entry requirement for this is that the cuckolded chap has had to pretend a child really is his
So I'm thinking Robert Boothby/Harold MacMillan, but can you (and other PBers) come up with anyone better?
Anyone who suggests Saint Joseph is a naughty tinker, as I'm limiting this to real people.
We have a lot more continuity trade thanks to Truss, we have sorted the Irish border and we have prepared for No Deal with all the customs site at least at basic levels of construction.
It's almost just the EU breakdown to consider and many businesses (far from all) have prepared for that all along.
For clarity I'd still prefer a deal, but not at any price.
Notice from Granddaughter's school
Their loss.
We keep getting told UVDL lacks the mandate to negotiate only the Commission (Macron, Merkel etc) can change the mandate - but don't talk to the Commission.
How does that make any sense? You need to negotiate with the decision makers not the monkeys.
Which five plays do these represent?
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And here's one by George Bernard Shaw....
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Googling won't help you.
Sad to hear of the death of Paolo Rossi. He was a key part of what I still regard as the greatest game of football I have ever seen - the 1982 World Cup Quarter-Final between Italy and Brazil which the Italians won 3-2.
Most Western countries have been an absolute clusterfunk with respect to covid policy. And the key issue he was elected to do was enact Brexit. We won't now how that's going to fully shake out for perhaps a year or two. Likewise the economic impact of covid, where the biggest test is still to come - executing the vaccine programme and ignoring the scientific advisors and aggressively dropping all mandated restrictions once the most vulnerable have been jabbed.
Due to outbreaks in bubbles, one on mine is at a school where 2 year groups out of 7 are in self-isolation and the other is at a school where 3 out of 7 are similarly out.
Mine are still at school, but if either of them gets a self-isolation ticket next week, then Christmas is off, isn't it?