YouGov polling carried out today finds CON voters the most bullish about a deal but still only 23% –

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YouGov polling carried out today finds CON voters the most bullish about a deal but still only 23% – politicalbetting.com

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Beibheirli_C

First out of the EU into the wilderness of Brexit...

Beibheirli_C

What a great deal we got from the EU

Beibheirli_C

That is my "cake and eat it" manoeuvre, so I should be right no matter how it turns out

Carnyx

Beibheirli_C said:

What a great deal we got from the EU

To lose all that for a few mackerel fillets nobody was eating or will be able to export.

Stark_Dawning

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1337066835250999296

The notion that the masses will rally behind No Deal is preposterous - like thinking they'd have rallied behind Black Wednesday. Boris knows this. He also knows that a deal will be his Falklands moment. That's why the outcome isn't really in doubt.

Scott_xP

It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?

He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.

Is he frit?

MarqueeMark

What is the point of this polling?

rottenborough

Scott_xP said:

It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?

He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.

Is he frit?

Hoping for a miracle.

Beibheirli_C

Carnyx said:

Beibheirli_C said:

What a great deal we got from the EU

To lose all that for a few mackerel fillets nobody was eating or will be able to export.

Meanwhile, in NutJob Central, the Pure Ones are getting ready to knife Boris if he caves in and comes back with a Deal

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1370807/brexit-news-boris-johnson-rupert-lowe-iain-duncan-smith-john-redwood-erg-trade-deal

OnboardG1

One does wonder why London isn't already in Tier 3. Seriously, if the pandemic has taught us anything it's that "move fast and break things" is better than "Move slowly and break things later".

ydoethur

OnboardG1 said:

One does wonder why London isn't already in Tier 3. Seriously, if the pandemic has taught us anything it's that "move fast and break things" is better than "Move slowly and break things later".

@OnboardG1 regarding your comment on the last thread, I don't live in Wales.

Stark_Dawning

Scott_xP said:

It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?

He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.

Is he frit?

Boris, quite rightly, will hang on till the very last so that he can squeeze out all he can. He also knows that the more tense it gets, the more congratulations he'll receive in the ensuing orgasm of relief. Boris's Falklands moment is nigh - he just has to count the hours.

TheScreamingEagles

ydoethur said:

OnboardG1 said:

One does wonder why London isn't already in Tier 3. Seriously, if the pandemic has taught us anything it's that "move fast and break things" is better than "Move slowly and break things later".

@OnboardG1 regarding your comment on the last thread, I don't live in Wales.

Lucky you.

OnboardG1

ydoethur said:

OnboardG1 said:

One does wonder why London isn't already in Tier 3. Seriously, if the pandemic has taught us anything it's that "move fast and break things" is better than "Move slowly and break things later".

@OnboardG1 regarding your comment on the last thread, I don't live in Wales.

Huh for some reason I thought you did. And it's not just the name. Well, maybe Hancock is finally acknowledging that the plague is spreading in school settings.

Speaking of which, hope you've survived unscathed thus far.

ydoethur

TheScreamingEagles said:

ydoethur said:

OnboardG1 said:

One does wonder why London isn't already in Tier 3. Seriously, if the pandemic has taught us anything it's that "move fast and break things" is better than "Move slowly and break things later".

@OnboardG1 regarding your comment on the last thread, I don't live in Wales.

Lucky you.

Oi!

Just because we beat you at rugby more often than you can deal with...

ydoethur

OnboardG1 said:

ydoethur said:

OnboardG1 said:

One does wonder why London isn't already in Tier 3. Seriously, if the pandemic has taught us anything it's that "move fast and break things" is better than "Move slowly and break things later".

@OnboardG1 regarding your comment on the last thread, I don't live in Wales.

Huh for some reason I thought you did. And it's not just the name. Well, maybe Hancock is finally acknowledging that the plague is spreading in school settings.

Speaking of which, hope you've survived unscathed thus far.

Just about. Don't know how given the safety regs are not even a joke, just a shambles.

Richard_Nabavi

Scott_xP said:

It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?

He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.

Is he frit?

That's a good question. The explanation might simply be that he's dithering.

ydoethur

Stark_Dawning said:

Scott_xP said:

It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?

He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.

Is he frit?

Boris, quite rightly, will hang on till the very last so that he can squeeze out all he can. He also knows that the more tense it gets, the more congratulations he'll receive in the ensuing orgasm of relief. Boris's Falklands moment is nigh - he just has to count the hours.

Yes.

And he will be General Galtieri.

OnboardG1

ydoethur said:

OnboardG1 said:

ydoethur said:

OnboardG1 said:

One does wonder why London isn't already in Tier 3. Seriously, if the pandemic has taught us anything it's that "move fast and break things" is better than "Move slowly and break things later".

@OnboardG1 regarding your comment on the last thread, I don't live in Wales.

Huh for some reason I thought you did. And it's not just the name. Well, maybe Hancock is finally acknowledging that the plague is spreading in school settings.

Speaking of which, hope you've survived unscathed thus far.

Just about. Don't know how given the safety regs are not even a joke, just a shambles.

Glad to hear it. Hope your Christmas break is restful at least. I'm still annoyed that the SNP didn't extend the Christmas holidays up here. It was a good idea and an extra week and a bit is going to do fuck all to affect education given how screwy this year has been.

Beibheirli_C

Richard_Nabavi said:

Scott_xP said:

It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?

He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.

Is he frit?

That's a good question. The explanation might simply be that he's dithering.

Or that he lacks the ability to make a decision. Somebody hand him a 50p piece (it has a known decision making ability)

OnboardG1

ydoethur said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Scott_xP said:

It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?

He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.

Is he frit?

Boris, quite rightly, will hang on till the very last so that he can squeeze out all he can. He also knows that the more tense it gets, the more congratulations he'll receive in the ensuing orgasm of relief. Boris's Falklands moment is nigh - he just has to count the hours.

Yes.

And he will be General Galtieri.

You are Sir Humphrey Appleby and I claim my £5

TheScreamingEagles

ydoethur said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Scott_xP said:

It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?

He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.

Is he frit?

Boris, quite rightly, will hang on till the very last so that he can squeeze out all he can. He also knows that the more tense it gets, the more congratulations he'll receive in the ensuing orgasm of relief. Boris's Falklands moment is nigh - he just has to count the hours.

Yes.

And he will be General Galtieri.

No, he'll be The General Belgrano.

Richard_Nabavi

https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1337087658435211267

Some meaty stuff (if you pardon the pun) in that thread. The British Sausage in NI gets a 6-month reprieve.

williamglenn

Richard_Nabavi said:

Scott_xP said:

It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?

He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.

Is he frit?

That's a good question. The explanation might simply be that he's dithering.

His hunch was always that if we just show the EU that we're 'serious', then they will suddenly bend to our will. He can't admit that he'd got this wrong without admitting that he published the wrong article and backed the wrong horse back in 2016.

bigjohnowls

Twitter having a great time

https://twitter.com/Coldwar_Steve/status/1337068146293956614/photo/1

https://twitter.com/Keynesianism/status/1336999359439892481

DougSeal

Stark_Dawning said:

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1337066835250999296

The notion that the masses will rally behind No Deal is preposterous - like thinking they'd have rallied behind Black Wednesday. Boris knows this. He also knows that a deal will be his Falklands moment. That's why the outcome isn't really in doubt.

No Deal will be his Black Wednesday moment. An economic screw up centred on Europe. People who say that the EU will be blamed for the massive disruption caused by No Deal and rally round the flag forget 1992. The Tories ultimately suffered for it and the more pro-EU party, with half a mind to join the nacent Euro at some point, got in at the next election with a massive majority. People just don't think of this as a war.

ydoethur

For those who have been thinking Nick Gibb isn't the most useless idiot ever to meddle with education (in a field of stiff competition):

https://www.tes.com/news/teachers-scorn-over-plan-cancel-18th-dec-classes

OnboardG1

Someone asked Hancock about his mate from round the corner getting a contract after a whatsapp message. He doesn't look comfortable.

https://pasteboard.co/JEj97Ke.png

bigjohnowls

Carnyx said:

Beibheirli_C said:

What a great deal we got from the EU

To lose all that for a few mackerel fillets nobody was eating or will be able to export.

My reasons for voting leave were not fish based

Back in 2016 it seemed barely possible we would be left with the 2 worst Brexit outcomes. Neither of which are acceptable

Beibheirli_C

bigjohnowls said:

Twitter having a great time

twitter.com/Coldwar_Steve/status/1337068146293956614/photo/1

twitter.com/Keynesianism/status/1336999359439892481

That is bl**dy brilliant.

ydoethur

TheScreamingEagles said:

ydoethur said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Scott_xP said:

It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?

He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.

Is he frit?

Boris, quite rightly, will hang on till the very last so that he can squeeze out all he can. He also knows that the more tense it gets, the more congratulations he'll receive in the ensuing orgasm of relief. Boris's Falklands moment is nigh - he just has to count the hours.

Yes.

And he will be General Galtieri.

No, he'll be The General Belgrano.

Well, he will definitely have a sinking feeling...

ydoethur

OnboardG1 said:

ydoethur said:

OnboardG1 said:

ydoethur said:

OnboardG1 said:

One does wonder why London isn't already in Tier 3. Seriously, if the pandemic has taught us anything it's that "move fast and break things" is better than "Move slowly and break things later".

@OnboardG1 regarding your comment on the last thread, I don't live in Wales.

Huh for some reason I thought you did. And it's not just the name. Well, maybe Hancock is finally acknowledging that the plague is spreading in school settings.

Speaking of which, hope you've survived unscathed thus far.

Just about. Don't know how given the safety regs are not even a joke, just a shambles.

Glad to hear it. Hope your Christmas break is restful at least. I'm still annoyed that the SNP didn't extend the Christmas holidays up here. It was a good idea and an extra week and a bit is going to do fuck all to affect education given how screwy this year has been.

Given they've now cancelled exams anyway, it's not as though there's any meaningful education reason to keep them open.

GCSEs will go the same way in England, probably far too late to come up with meaningful alternatives.

MaxPB

Just to put into context the UK has signed third party trade deals with 28 parties worth around £150-160bn in existing trade. Last year before Liz Truss took over it was basically zero. She's done a fantastic job.

MarqueeMark

bigjohnowls said:

Twitter having a great time

https://twitter.com/Coldwar_Steve/status/1337068146293956614/photo/1

https://twitter.com/Keynesianism/status/1336999359439892481

Twitter. The home of really sophisticated humour......

By twats. For twats.

TheScreamingEagles

bigjohnowls said:

Carnyx said:

Beibheirli_C said:

What a great deal we got from the EU

To lose all that for a few mackerel fillets nobody was eating or will be able to export.

My reasons for voting leave were not fish based

Back in 2016 it seemed barely possible we would be left with the 2 worst Brexit outcomes. Neither of which are acceptable

You should have listened to Dave (pbuh) and George (pbuh).

ydoethur

bigjohnowls said:

Carnyx said:

Beibheirli_C said:

What a great deal we got from the EU

To lose all that for a few mackerel fillets nobody was eating or will be able to export.

My reasons for voting leave were not fish based

Back in 2016 it seemed barely possible we would be left with the 2 worst Brexit outcomes. Neither of which are acceptable

Well, it seemed fairly obvious to me, and I'm no starry-eyed Europhile.

Richard_Nabavi

MaxPB said:

Just to put into context the UK has signed third party trade deals with 28 parties worth around £150-160bn in existing trade. Last year before Liz Truss took over it was basically zero. She's done a fantastic job.

Yes, she's done well.

ydoethur

Richard_Nabavi said:

MaxPB said:

Just to put into context the UK has signed third party trade deals with 28 parties worth around £150-160bn in existing trade. Last year before Liz Truss took over it was basically zero. She's done a fantastic job.

Yes, she's done well.

Among others...

TheScreamingEagles

Lewis Hamilton to race on Sunday.

kinabalu

Stark_Dawning said:

Scott_xP said:

It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?

He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.

Is he frit?

Boris, quite rightly, will hang on till the very last so that he can squeeze out all he can. He also knows that the more tense it gets, the more congratulations he'll receive in the ensuing orgasm of relief. Boris's Falklands moment is nigh - he just has to count the hours.

That's my take too. I'm pretty certain of it.

DougSeal

TheScreamingEagles said:

ydoethur said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Scott_xP said:

It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?

He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.

Is he frit?

Boris, quite rightly, will hang on till the very last so that he can squeeze out all he can. He also knows that the more tense it gets, the more congratulations he'll receive in the ensuing orgasm of relief. Boris's Falklands moment is nigh - he just has to count the hours.

Yes.

And he will be General Galtieri.

No, he'll be The General Belgrano.

Interesting factoid I found out recently. The General Belgrano was, prior to purchase by Argentina, the USS Pheonix and survived Pearl Harbor. I'm sure all you sophisticates knew this already but it was news to me.

dixiedean

Strewth. Press talking about Third Wave. It's the Second Wave moving South.

ydoethur

DougSeal said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

ydoethur said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Scott_xP said:

It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?

He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.

Is he frit?

Boris, quite rightly, will hang on till the very last so that he can squeeze out all he can. He also knows that the more tense it gets, the more congratulations he'll receive in the ensuing orgasm of relief. Boris's Falklands moment is nigh - he just has to count the hours.

Yes.

And he will be General Galtieri.

No, he'll be The General Belgrano.

Interesting factoid I found out recently. The General Belgrano was, prior to purchase by Argentina, the USS Pheonix and survived Pearl Harbor. I'm sure all you sophisticates knew this already but it was news to me.

So it was originally an American, sold out to a foreign country and caused chaos...

OnboardG1

ydoethur said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

MaxPB said:

Just to put into context the UK has signed third party trade deals with 28 parties worth around £150-160bn in existing trade. Last year before Liz Truss took over it was basically zero. She's done a fantastic job.

Yes, she's done well.

Among others...

Gove and Truss have been the MVPs of this process. I don't like Truss (far too "deregulate everything" for me) but she hasn't done badly. Gove has done a genuinely good job with the NI protocol because, unlike his boss, he knows how fragile the union is. There was some chat he'd quite like to kill the entire Internal Market Bill to avoid handing the SNP yet another round of ammunition in the event of no deal.

dixiedean

ydoethur said:

DougSeal said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

ydoethur said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Scott_xP said:

It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?

He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.

Is he frit?

Boris, quite rightly, will hang on till the very last so that he can squeeze out all he can. He also knows that the more tense it gets, the more congratulations he'll receive in the ensuing orgasm of relief. Boris's Falklands moment is nigh - he just has to count the hours.

Yes.

And he will be General Galtieri.

No, he'll be The General Belgrano.

Interesting factoid I found out recently. The General Belgrano was, prior to purchase by Argentina, the USS Pheonix and survived Pearl Harbor. I'm sure all you sophisticates knew this already but it was news to me.

So it was originally an American, sold out to a foreign country and caused chaos...

Then plumbed new depths?

OnboardG1

dixiedean said:

ydoethur said:

DougSeal said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

ydoethur said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Scott_xP said:

It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?

He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.

Is he frit?

Boris, quite rightly, will hang on till the very last so that he can squeeze out all he can. He also knows that the more tense it gets, the more congratulations he'll receive in the ensuing orgasm of relief. Boris's Falklands moment is nigh - he just has to count the hours.

Yes.

And he will be General Galtieri.

No, he'll be The General Belgrano.

Interesting factoid I found out recently. The General Belgrano was, prior to purchase by Argentina, the USS Pheonix and survived Pearl Harbor. I'm sure all you sophisticates knew this already but it was news to me.

So it was originally an American, sold out to a foreign country and caused chaos...

Then plumbed new depths?

Ran into danger and got torpedoed by something it should have seen coming.

Big_G_NorthWales

bigjohnowls said:

Twitter having a great time

https://twitter.com/Coldwar_Steve/status/1337068146293956614/photo/1

https://twitter.com/Keynesianism/status/1336999359439892481

Such sad little lives

Scott_xP

https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1337089428314058754

ydoethur

OnboardG1 said:

ydoethur said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

MaxPB said:

Just to put into context the UK has signed third party trade deals with 28 parties worth around £150-160bn in existing trade. Last year before Liz Truss took over it was basically zero. She's done a fantastic job.

Yes, she's done well.

Among others...

Gove and Truss have been the MVPs of this process. I don't like Truss (far too "deregulate everything" for me) but she hasn't done badly. Gove has done a genuinely good job with the NI protocol because, unlike his boss, he knows how fragile the union is. There was some chat he'd quite like to kill the entire Internal Market Bill to avoid handing the SNP yet another round of ammunition in the event of no deal.

The joke was an implication that she has done everyone else.

Scott_xP

Beibheirli_C said:

Or that he lacks the ability to make a decision. Somebody hand him a 50p piece (it has a known decision making ability)

I purchased a Shakespeare decision coin at a Christmas market last year.

To be...

Not to be...

OnboardG1

ydoethur said:

OnboardG1 said:

ydoethur said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

MaxPB said:

Just to put into context the UK has signed third party trade deals with 28 parties worth around £150-160bn in existing trade. Last year before Liz Truss took over it was basically zero. She's done a fantastic job.

Yes, she's done well.

Among others...

Gove and Truss have been the MVPs of this process. I don't like Truss (far too "deregulate everything" for me) but she hasn't done badly. Gove has done a genuinely good job with the NI protocol because, unlike his boss, he knows how fragile the union is. There was some chat he'd quite like to kill the entire Internal Market Bill to avoid handing the SNP yet another round of ammunition in the event of no deal.

The joke was an implication that she has done everyone else.

Ah. Wasn't that in Williamson's little black book that got leaked?

RobD

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1337089428314058754

The chairman of EMS Healthcare, who has been a director of the company since 2013, is Iain Johnston – a former business partner of Shirley and Robert Carter, Hancock’s mother and stepfather.

That is quite a connection.

DecrepiterJohnL

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ydoethur

Big_G_NorthWales said:

bigjohnowls said:

Twitter having a great time

https://twitter.com/Coldwar_Steve/status/1337068146293956614/photo/1

https://twitter.com/Keynesianism/status/1336999359439892481

Such sad little lives

A tad harsh Big G. UvdL despite her limited role and personal restrictions will find fulfilment one day.

ydoethur

OnboardG1 said:

ydoethur said:

OnboardG1 said:

ydoethur said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

MaxPB said:

Just to put into context the UK has signed third party trade deals with 28 parties worth around £150-160bn in existing trade. Last year before Liz Truss took over it was basically zero. She's done a fantastic job.

Yes, she's done well.

Among others...

Gove and Truss have been the MVPs of this process. I don't like Truss (far too "deregulate everything" for me) but she hasn't done badly. Gove has done a genuinely good job with the NI protocol because, unlike his boss, he knows how fragile the union is. There was some chat he'd quite like to kill the entire Internal Market Bill to avoid handing the SNP yet another round of ammunition in the event of no deal.

The joke was an implication that she has done everyone else.

Ah. Wasn't that in Williamson's little black book that got leaked?

It may have been, but I don't think we needed a book!

Famously the first minister of agriculture to be ploughed by a Field.

noneoftheabove

OnboardG1 said:

Someone asked Hancock about his mate from round the corner getting a contract after a whatsapp message. He doesn't look comfortable.

https://pasteboard.co/JEj97Ke.png

To be fair unlike most of the rest of the cabinet he is quite new to the shameless lying and kleptocracy angle. Give him time and I reckon he can at least reach the Shapps level.

WhisperingOracle

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1337089428314058754

The cronyism is brazen, appalling and unending now, and Hancock for some reason seems to keep popping up in it.

Big_G_NorthWales

ydoethur said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

bigjohnowls said:

Twitter having a great time

https://twitter.com/Coldwar_Steve/status/1337068146293956614/photo/1

https://twitter.com/Keynesianism/status/1336999359439892481

Such sad little lives

A tad harsh Big G. UvdL despite her limited role and personal restrictions will find fulfilment one day.

I was referring to those who tweet such schoolboy rubbish

UVDL is a huge improvement on Junckers

Stuartinromford

Scott_xP said:

It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?

He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.

Is he frit?

Of course he is. (Ancient example: when he ran away from the 2016 Leadership Election because it wasn't a shoe-in.)

But also: Boris's deal promises to be a bit rubbish (what with the whole not-trying-for-services-access-at-all, and not-enough-people-in-booths-at-ports things). If a deal tuns out rubbish, it's nobody's fault but his. If no deal turns out rubbish, he can blame those damn foreigners.

He's a terrible politician and person, but has a definite cunning for sensing this sort of thing.

ydoethur

Scott_xP said:

Beibheirli_C said:

Or that he lacks the ability to make a decision. Somebody hand him a 50p piece (it has a known decision making ability)

I purchased a Shakespeare decision coin at a Christmas market last year.

To be...

Not to be...

I bought a pencil of Shakespeare's once, but I still don't know what type it is.

It's 2B or not 2B.

OnboardG1

ydoethur said:

OnboardG1 said:

ydoethur said:

OnboardG1 said:

ydoethur said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

MaxPB said:

Just to put into context the UK has signed third party trade deals with 28 parties worth around £150-160bn in existing trade. Last year before Liz Truss took over it was basically zero. She's done a fantastic job.

Yes, she's done well.

Among others...

Gove and Truss have been the MVPs of this process. I don't like Truss (far too "deregulate everything" for me) but she hasn't done badly. Gove has done a genuinely good job with the NI protocol because, unlike his boss, he knows how fragile the union is. There was some chat he'd quite like to kill the entire Internal Market Bill to avoid handing the SNP yet another round of ammunition in the event of no deal.

The joke was an implication that she has done everyone else.

Ah. Wasn't that in Williamson's little black book that got leaked?

It may have been, but I don't think we needed a book!

Famously the first minister of agriculture to be ploughed by a Field.

Well that's an image I didn't need.

ydoethur

Big_G_NorthWales said:

ydoethur said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

bigjohnowls said:

Twitter having a great time

https://twitter.com/Coldwar_Steve/status/1337068146293956614/photo/1

https://twitter.com/Keynesianism/status/1336999359439892481

Such sad little lives

A tad harsh Big G. UvdL despite her limited role and personal restrictions will find fulfilment one day.

I was referring to those who tweet such schoolboy rubbish

UVDL is a huge improvement on Junckers

She'd have had to work damn hard to be worse.

TOPPING

bigjohnowls said:

Carnyx said:

Beibheirli_C said:

What a great deal we got from the EU

To lose all that for a few mackerel fillets nobody was eating or will be able to export.

My reasons for voting leave were not fish based

Back in 2016 it seemed barely possible we would be left with the 2 worst Brexit outcomes. Neither of which are acceptable

Stunningly bad foresight.

Anyone with half a brain could have told you it would be a clusterfuck. Indeed many on here did just that.

Oh but this is not the "true" Brexit, right? Like "proper" socialism hasn't been tried.

williamglenn

BoJo: Strong possibility of No Deal

Brexit: 'Strong possibility' of no trade deal with EU - PM https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55266678

moonshine

Stuartinromford said:

Scott_xP said:

It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?

He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.

Is he frit?

Of course he is. (Ancient example: when he ran away from the 2016 Leadership Election because it wasn't a shoe-in.)

But also: Boris's deal promises to be a bit rubbish (what with the whole not-trying-for-services-access-at-all, and not-enough-people-in-booths-at-ports things). If a deal tuns out rubbish, it's nobody's fault but his. If no deal turns out rubbish, he can blame those damn foreigners.

He's a terrible politician and person, but has a definite cunning for sensing this sort of thing.

You may consider him to be a terrible administrator. But he's evidently not a terrible politician, having won London twice, spearheading victory in a supposedly unwinnable referendum and then securing an 80 seat majority as PM.

You say he was fit in 2016 but maybe he's just very good at reading the runes? Had he run in 2016 and lost would he ever have become PM?

IanB2

TOPPING said:

bigjohnowls said:

Carnyx said:

Beibheirli_C said:

What a great deal we got from the EU

To lose all that for a few mackerel fillets nobody was eating or will be able to export.

My reasons for voting leave were not fish based

Back in 2016 it seemed barely possible we would be left with the 2 worst Brexit outcomes. Neither of which are acceptable

Stunningly bad foresight.

Anyone with half a brain could have told you it would be a clusterfuck. Indeed many on here did just that.

Oh but this is not the "true" Brexit, right? Like "proper" socialism hasn't been tried.

That he didn’t see this coming is most definitely fishy.

rcs1000

MaxPB said:

Just to put into context the UK has signed third party trade deals with 28 parties worth around £150-160bn in existing trade. Last year before Liz Truss took over it was basically zero. She's done a fantastic job.

Of course, it always helps to be compared to Liam Fox.

alednam

Beibheirli_C said:

That is my "cake and eat it" manoeuvre, so I should be right no matter how it turns out

Having one's cake and eating it is impossible: one who has eaten a cake, of necessity no long has that cake.
Johnson, you see, can do more than merely contradict himself about some matter of fact. So you fail to credit him with being the most accomplished liar in public life (as Rory Stewart put it: "a lifetime of practice and study has allowed Johnson to uncover new possibilities which go well beyond all the classifications of dishonesty attempted by classical theorists like St Augustine.")

DougSeal

moonshine said:

Stuartinromford said:

Scott_xP said:

It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?

He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.

Is he frit?

Of course he is. (Ancient example: when he ran away from the 2016 Leadership Election because it wasn't a shoe-in.)

But also: Boris's deal promises to be a bit rubbish (what with the whole not-trying-for-services-access-at-all, and not-enough-people-in-booths-at-ports things). If a deal tuns out rubbish, it's nobody's fault but his. If no deal turns out rubbish, he can blame those damn foreigners.

He's a terrible politician and person, but has a definite cunning for sensing this sort of thing.

You may consider him to be a terrible administrator. But he's evidently not a terrible politician, having won London twice, spearheading victory in a supposedly unwinnable referendum and then securing an 80 seat majority as PM.

You say he was fit in 2016 but maybe he's just very good at reading the runes? Had he run in 2016 and lost would he ever have become PM?

The evidence points to him being a great campaigner but a terrible administrator. But one also has to look at the quality of his opponents. Livingstone in the early days of his Hitler obsession and Corbyn.

TheScreamingEagles

Big_G_NorthWales said:

ydoethur said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

bigjohnowls said:

Twitter having a great time

https://twitter.com/Coldwar_Steve/status/1337068146293956614/photo/1

https://twitter.com/Keynesianism/status/1336999359439892481

Such sad little lives

A tad harsh Big G. UvdL despite her limited role and personal restrictions will find fulfilment one day.

I was referring to those who tweet such schoolboy rubbish

UVDL is a huge improvement on Junckers

Says the guy who compared the Welsh circuit break to the Stasi.

MaxPB

rcs1000 said:

MaxPB said:

Just to put into context the UK has signed third party trade deals with 28 parties worth around £150-160bn in existing trade. Last year before Liz Truss took over it was basically zero. She's done a fantastic job.

Of course, it always helps to be compared to Liam Fox.

Yes, definitely. It just goes to show how useless he was. Hopefully the government are serious about the CPTPP. Someone at work suggested that the UK look into associate membership of NAFTA or whatever it's called these days as it might be less onerous than a direct US trade deal and would be compatible with having independent trade deals too.

paulyork64

OnboardG1 said:

dixiedean said:

ydoethur said:

DougSeal said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

ydoethur said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Scott_xP said:

It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?

He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.

Is he frit?

Boris, quite rightly, will hang on till the very last so that he can squeeze out all he can. He also knows that the more tense it gets, the more congratulations he'll receive in the ensuing orgasm of relief. Boris's Falklands moment is nigh - he just has to count the hours.

Yes.

And he will be General Galtieri.

No, he'll be The General Belgrano.

Interesting factoid I found out recently. The General Belgrano was, prior to purchase by Argentina, the USS Pheonix and survived Pearl Harbor. I'm sure all you sophisticates knew this already but it was news to me.

So it was originally an American, sold out to a foreign country and caused chaos...

Then plumbed new depths?

Ran into danger and got torpedoed by something it should have seen coming.

To be fair a submarine is one thing it shouldn't have seen coming.

Richard_Nabavi

More of those sunny uplands hoving into view:

https://twitter.com/lisaocarroll/status/1337094978011533312

Stuartinromford

moonshine said:

Stuartinromford said:

Scott_xP said:

It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?

He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.

Is he frit?

Of course he is. (Ancient example: when he ran away from the 2016 Leadership Election because it wasn't a shoe-in.)

But also: Boris's deal promises to be a bit rubbish (what with the whole not-trying-for-services-access-at-all, and not-enough-people-in-booths-at-ports things). If a deal tuns out rubbish, it's nobody's fault but his. If no deal turns out rubbish, he can blame those damn foreigners.

He's a terrible politician and person, but has a definite cunning for sensing this sort of thing.

You may consider him to be a terrible administrator. But he's evidently not a terrible politician, having won London twice, spearheading victory in a supposedly unwinnable referendum and then securing an 80 seat majority as PM.

You say he was fit in 2016 but maybe he's just very good at reading the runes? Had he run in 2016 and lost would he ever have become PM?

To clarify: most of the time, being good at elections works as a signal that a party is set to be good at governing. Johnson (I think intuitively) and Cummings (I think more deliberately) hacked that process. Great at winning elections, but utterly hopeless at doing anything with that win.

Casino_Royale

Richard_Nabavi said:

MaxPB said:

Just to put into context the UK has signed third party trade deals with 28 parties worth around £150-160bn in existing trade. Last year before Liz Truss took over it was basically zero. She's done a fantastic job.

Yes, she's done well.

Credit to you for saying that.

ydoethur

paulyork64 said:

OnboardG1 said:

dixiedean said:

ydoethur said:

DougSeal said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

ydoethur said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Scott_xP said:

It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?

He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.

Is he frit?

Boris, quite rightly, will hang on till the very last so that he can squeeze out all he can. He also knows that the more tense it gets, the more congratulations he'll receive in the ensuing orgasm of relief. Boris's Falklands moment is nigh - he just has to count the hours.

Yes.

And he will be General Galtieri.

No, he'll be The General Belgrano.

Interesting factoid I found out recently. The General Belgrano was, prior to purchase by Argentina, the USS Pheonix and survived Pearl Harbor. I'm sure all you sophisticates knew this already but it was news to me.

So it was originally an American, sold out to a foreign country and caused chaos...

Then plumbed new depths?

Ran into danger and got torpedoed by something it should have seen coming.

To be fair a submarine is one thing it shouldn't have seen coming.

Why? Surely it had sonar?

Malmesbury

DougSeal said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

ydoethur said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Scott_xP said:

It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?

He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.

Is he frit?

Boris, quite rightly, will hang on till the very last so that he can squeeze out all he can. He also knows that the more tense it gets, the more congratulations he'll receive in the ensuing orgasm of relief. Boris's Falklands moment is nigh - he just has to count the hours.

Yes.

And he will be General Galtieri.

No, he'll be The General Belgrano.

Interesting factoid I found out recently. The General Belgrano was, prior to purchase by Argentina, the USS Pheonix and survived Pearl Harbor. I'm sure all you sophisticates knew this already but it was news to me.

There were three ships, present at Pearl Harbour, that survived till recent times - A tug, a coast guard cutter and the Belgrano.

TheScreamingEagles

rcs1000 said:

MaxPB said:

Just to put into context the UK has signed third party trade deals with 28 parties worth around £150-160bn in existing trade. Last year before Liz Truss took over it was basically zero. She's done a fantastic job.

Of course, it always helps to be compared to Liam Fox.

Please!

It's the disgraced national security risk Liam Fox.

Big_G_NorthWales

TheScreamingEagles said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

ydoethur said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

bigjohnowls said:

Twitter having a great time

https://twitter.com/Coldwar_Steve/status/1337068146293956614/photo/1

https://twitter.com/Keynesianism/status/1336999359439892481

Such sad little lives

A tad harsh Big G. UvdL despite her limited role and personal restrictions will find fulfilment one day.

I was referring to those who tweet such schoolboy rubbish

UVDL is a huge improvement on Junckers

Says the guy who compared the Welsh circuit break to the Stasi.

The Welsh Government is a complete disaster and has today bowed to the unions closing all secondary schools with no notice to working parents

And it does not alter the schoolboy rubbish of those tweets

HYUFD

Voters by 61% to 26% think the UK is not prepared for No Deal, though Tory voters by 53% to 40% and Leave voters by 47% to 42% think we are

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1337083285802016776?s=20

ydoethur

Big_G_NorthWales said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

ydoethur said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

bigjohnowls said:

Twitter having a great time

https://twitter.com/Coldwar_Steve/status/1337068146293956614/photo/1

https://twitter.com/Keynesianism/status/1336999359439892481

Such sad little lives

A tad harsh Big G. UvdL despite her limited role and personal restrictions will find fulfilment one day.

I was referring to those who tweet such schoolboy rubbish

UVDL is a huge improvement on Junckers

Says the guy who compared the Welsh circuit break to the Stasi.

The Welsh Government is a complete disaster and has today bowed to the unions closing all secondary schools with no notice to working parents

And it does not alter the schoolboy rubbish of those tweets

It's a classic example of the right decision at the wrong time. If we don't want a train wreck on our hands in January, we need to get the case rate among teenagers in particular under control before Christmas itself, and shutting schools is the best way to do it.

But that was a decision that needed to be taken a month ago and properly planned and communicated. Taking it now merely makes life more difficult.

paulyork64

ydoethur said:

paulyork64 said:

OnboardG1 said:

dixiedean said:

ydoethur said:

DougSeal said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

ydoethur said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Scott_xP said:

It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?

He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.

Is he frit?

Boris, quite rightly, will hang on till the very last so that he can squeeze out all he can. He also knows that the more tense it gets, the more congratulations he'll receive in the ensuing orgasm of relief. Boris's Falklands moment is nigh - he just has to count the hours.

Yes.

And he will be General Galtieri.

No, he'll be The General Belgrano.

Interesting factoid I found out recently. The General Belgrano was, prior to purchase by Argentina, the USS Pheonix and survived Pearl Harbor. I'm sure all you sophisticates knew this already but it was news to me.

So it was originally an American, sold out to a foreign country and caused chaos...

Then plumbed new depths?

Ran into danger and got torpedoed by something it should have seen coming.

To be fair a submarine is one thing it shouldn't have seen coming.

Why? Surely it had sonar?

I'll leave dura_ace for the definitive answer but i dont think subs are that easy to spot even with sonar.

Carnyx

alednam said:

Beibheirli_C said:

That is my "cake and eat it" manoeuvre, so I should be right no matter how it turns out

Having one's cake and eating it is impossible: one who has eaten a cake, of necessity no long has that cake.
Johnson, you see, can do more than merely contradict himself about some matter of fact. So you fail to credit him with being the most accomplished liar in public life (as Rory Stewart put it: "a lifetime of practice and study has allowed Johnson to uncover new possibilities which go well beyond all the classifications of dishonesty attempted by classical theorists like St Augustine.")

Ah. buit he invented Schroedinger's cake. It's eaten and on the plate at the same time.

IanB2

HYUFD said:

Voters by 61% to 26% think the UK is not prepared for No Deal, though Tory voters by 53% to 40% and Leave voters by 47% to 42% think we are

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1337083285802016776?s=20

How would all these pensioners have the slightest clue?

williamglenn

Johnson is "prepared to travel to Paris or Berlin for talks". He's still stuck in David Davis 2016 mode.

Carnyx

bigjohnowls said:

Carnyx said:

Beibheirli_C said:

What a great deal we got from the EU

To lose all that for a few mackerel fillets nobody was eating or will be able to export.

My reasons for voting leave were not fish based

Back in 2016 it seemed barely possible we would be left with the 2 worst Brexit outcomes. Neither of which are acceptable

I don't doubt you.

What worries me is that our immediate, contingent, reason for leaving will be pescatorial.

Big_G_NorthWales

IanB2 said:

HYUFD said:

Voters by 61% to 26% think the UK is not prepared for No Deal, though Tory voters by 53% to 40% and Leave voters by 47% to 42% think we are

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1337083285802016776?s=20

How would all these pensioners have the slightest clue?

What an insulting ignorant comment

TheScreamingEagles

ydoethur said:

paulyork64 said:

OnboardG1 said:

dixiedean said:

ydoethur said:

DougSeal said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

ydoethur said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Scott_xP said:

It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?

He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.

Is he frit?

Boris, quite rightly, will hang on till the very last so that he can squeeze out all he can. He also knows that the more tense it gets, the more congratulations he'll receive in the ensuing orgasm of relief. Boris's Falklands moment is nigh - he just has to count the hours.

Yes.

And he will be General Galtieri.

No, he'll be The General Belgrano.

Interesting factoid I found out recently. The General Belgrano was, prior to purchase by Argentina, the USS Pheonix and survived Pearl Harbor. I'm sure all you sophisticates knew this already but it was news to me.

So it was originally an American, sold out to a foreign country and caused chaos...

Then plumbed new depths?

Ran into danger and got torpedoed by something it should have seen coming.

To be fair a submarine is one thing it shouldn't have seen coming.

Why? Surely it had sonar?

Since you're about, I need to pick your brain.

I'm trying to come up with the most famous/memorable cuckolded man in history.

The entry requirement for this is that the cuckolded chap has had to pretend a child really is his

So I'm thinking Robert Boothby/Harold MacMillan, but can you (and other PBers) come up with anyone better?

Anyone who suggests Saint Joseph is a naughty tinker, as I'm limiting this to real people.

Casino_Royale

MaxPB said:

Just to put into context the UK has signed third party trade deals with 28 parties worth around £150-160bn in existing trade. Last year before Liz Truss took over it was basically zero. She's done a fantastic job.

No Deal now isn't anywhere as bad as it would have been last year.

We have a lot more continuity trade thanks to Truss, we have sorted the Irish border and we have prepared for No Deal with all the customs site at least at basic levels of construction.

It's almost just the EU breakdown to consider and many businesses (far from all) have prepared for that all along.

For clarity I'd still prefer a deal, but not at any price.

Big_G_NorthWales

ydoethur said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

ydoethur said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

bigjohnowls said:

Twitter having a great time

https://twitter.com/Coldwar_Steve/status/1337068146293956614/photo/1

https://twitter.com/Keynesianism/status/1336999359439892481

Such sad little lives

A tad harsh Big G. UvdL despite her limited role and personal restrictions will find fulfilment one day.

I was referring to those who tweet such schoolboy rubbish

UVDL is a huge improvement on Junckers

Says the guy who compared the Welsh circuit break to the Stasi.

The Welsh Government is a complete disaster and has today bowed to the unions closing all secondary schools with no notice to working parents

And it does not alter the schoolboy rubbish of those tweets

It's a classic example of the right decision at the wrong time. If we don't want a train wreck on our hands in January, we need to get the case rate among teenagers in particular under control before Christmas itself, and shutting schools is the best way to do it.

But that was a decision a month ago and properly planned and communicated. Taking it now merely makes life more difficult.

And it is only for 5 days next week

Notice from Granddaughter's school

Casino_Royale

Richard_Nabavi said:

More of those sunny uplands hoving into view:

https://twitter.com/lisaocarroll/status/1337094978011533312

So we'll do our business elsewhere and they won't get the benefit of our services.

Their loss.

Philip_Thompson

williamglenn said:

Johnson is "prepared to travel to Paris or Berlin for talks". He's still stuck in David Davis 2016 mode.

Why?

We keep getting told UVDL lacks the mandate to negotiate only the Commission (Macron, Merkel etc) can change the mandate - but don't talk to the Commission.

How does that make any sense? You need to negotiate with the decision makers not the monkeys.

Peter_the_Punter

ydoethur said:

Scott_xP said:

Beibheirli_C said:

Or that he lacks the ability to make a decision. Somebody hand him a 50p piece (it has a known decision making ability)

I purchased a Shakespeare decision coin at a Christmas market last year.

To be...

Not to be...

I bought a pencil of Shakespeare's once, but I still don't know what type it is.

It's 2B or not 2B.

Christmas Shakespeare quiz for you.

Which five plays do these represent?

6"
9"
12"
Wet
Dry

And here's one by George Bernard Shaw....

0 0
0 0 0

Googling won't help you.

Carnyx

paulyork64 said:

ydoethur said:

paulyork64 said:

OnboardG1 said:

dixiedean said:

ydoethur said:

DougSeal said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

ydoethur said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Scott_xP said:

It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?

He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.

Is he frit?

Boris, quite rightly, will hang on till the very last so that he can squeeze out all he can. He also knows that the more tense it gets, the more congratulations he'll receive in the ensuing orgasm of relief. Boris's Falklands moment is nigh - he just has to count the hours.

Yes.

And he will be General Galtieri.

No, he'll be The General Belgrano.

Interesting factoid I found out recently. The General Belgrano was, prior to purchase by Argentina, the USS Pheonix and survived Pearl Harbor. I'm sure all you sophisticates knew this already but it was news to me.

So it was originally an American, sold out to a foreign country and caused chaos...

Then plumbed new depths?

Ran into danger and got torpedoed by something it should have seen coming.

To be fair a submarine is one thing it shouldn't have seen coming.

Why? Surely it had sonar?

I'll leave dura_ace for the definitive answer but i dont think subs are that easy to spot even with sonar.

Also depends if the cruiser was using active sonar or not. The former does rather tell everyone for miles and miles where you are. But the escorting destroyers should have dealt with that side anyway.

stodge

Evening all

Sad to hear of the death of Paolo Rossi. He was a key part of what I still regard as the greatest game of football I have ever seen - the 1982 World Cup Quarter-Final between Italy and Brazil which the Italians won 3-2.

DougSeal

Stuartinromford said:

Scott_xP said:

It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?

He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.

Is he frit?

Of course he is. (Ancient example: when he ran away from the 2016 Leadership Election because it wasn't a shoe-in.)

But also: Boris's deal promises to be a bit rubbish (what with the whole not-trying-for-services-access-at-all, and not-enough-people-in-booths-at-ports things). If a deal tuns out rubbish, it's nobody's fault but his. If no deal turns out rubbish, he can blame those damn foreigners.

He's a terrible politician and person, but has a definite cunning for sensing this sort of thing.

I've no doubt that is his thinking. However the arrival of Covid-19 within our borders was something noone expected and most governments have been caught flat-footed at. His approval ratings at dealing with it are, nevertheless, abysmal. He's been working for this moment for nearly five years and has failed to reach a deal. Why would the voters give him more credit for his handling of the ever present EU than it has for the very unexpected virus.

moonshine

Stuartinromford said:

moonshine said:

Stuartinromford said:

Scott_xP said:

It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?

He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.

Is he frit?

Of course he is. (Ancient example: when he ran away from the 2016 Leadership Election because it wasn't a shoe-in.)

But also: Boris's deal promises to be a bit rubbish (what with the whole not-trying-for-services-access-at-all, and not-enough-people-in-booths-at-ports things). If a deal tuns out rubbish, it's nobody's fault but his. If no deal turns out rubbish, he can blame those damn foreigners.

He's a terrible politician and person, but has a definite cunning for sensing this sort of thing.

You may consider him to be a terrible administrator. But he's evidently not a terrible politician, having won London twice, spearheading victory in a supposedly unwinnable referendum and then securing an 80 seat majority as PM.

You say he was fit in 2016 but maybe he's just very good at reading the runes? Had he run in 2016 and lost would he ever have become PM?

To clarify: most of the time, being good at elections works as a signal that a party is set to be good at governing. Johnson (I think intuitively) and Cummings (I think more deliberately) hacked that process. Great at winning elections, but utterly hopeless at doing anything with that win.

I mean listen, I'd have done a lot differently with respect to covid in particular and have been pretty outraged at some of what they've done or failed to do. But we are a hair's breadth under a single year of the PM having a majority behind him. I think it would be churlish to mark the government's scorecard today.

Most Western countries have been an absolute clusterfunk with respect to covid policy. And the key issue he was elected to do was enact Brexit. We won't now how that's going to fully shake out for perhaps a year or two. Likewise the economic impact of covid, where the biggest test is still to come - executing the vaccine programme and ignoring the scientific advisors and aggressively dropping all mandated restrictions once the most vulnerable have been jabbed.

Stuartinromford

ydoethur said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

ydoethur said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

bigjohnowls said:

Twitter having a great time

https://twitter.com/Coldwar_Steve/status/1337068146293956614/photo/1

https://twitter.com/Keynesianism/status/1336999359439892481

Such sad little lives

A tad harsh Big G. UvdL despite her limited role and personal restrictions will find fulfilment one day.

I was referring to those who tweet such schoolboy rubbish

UVDL is a huge improvement on Junckers

Says the guy who compared the Welsh circuit break to the Stasi.

The Welsh Government is a complete disaster and has today bowed to the unions closing all secondary schools with no notice to working parents

And it does not alter the schoolboy rubbish of those tweets

It's a classic example of the right decision at the wrong time. If we don't want a train wreck on our hands in January, we need to get the case rate among teenagers in particular under control before Christmas itself, and shutting schools is the best way to do it.

But that was a decision a month ago and properly planned and communicated. Taking it now merely makes life more difficult.

With the extra catpoo on the cupcake that the decision is, in practice, being taken in a piecemeal and no-notice way anyway.

Due to outbreaks in bubbles, one on mine is at a school where 2 year groups out of 7 are in self-isolation and the other is at a school where 3 out of 7 are similarly out.

Mine are still at school, but if either of them gets a self-isolation ticket next week, then Christmas is off, isn't it?

Carnyx

TheScreamingEagles said:

ydoethur said:

paulyork64 said:

OnboardG1 said:

dixiedean said:

ydoethur said:

DougSeal said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

ydoethur said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Scott_xP said:

It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?

He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.

Is he frit?

Boris, quite rightly, will hang on till the very last so that he can squeeze out all he can. He also knows that the more tense it gets, the more congratulations he'll receive in the ensuing orgasm of relief. Boris's Falklands moment is nigh - he just has to count the hours.

Yes.

And he will be General Galtieri.

No, he'll be The General Belgrano.

Interesting factoid I found out recently. The General Belgrano was, prior to purchase by Argentina, the USS Pheonix and survived Pearl Harbor. I'm sure all you sophisticates knew this already but it was news to me.

So it was originally an American, sold out to a foreign country and caused chaos...

Then plumbed new depths?

Ran into danger and got torpedoed by something it should have seen coming.

To be fair a submarine is one thing it shouldn't have seen coming.

Why? Surely it had sonar?

Since you're about, I need to pick your brain.

I'm trying to come up with the most famous/memorable cuckolded man in history.

The entry requirement for this is that the cuckolded chap has had to pretend a child really is his

So I'm thinking Robert Boothby/Harold MacMillan, but can you (and other PBers) come up with anyone better?

Anyone who suggests Saint Joseph is a naughty tinker, as I'm limiting this to real people.

Earl of Castlemaine/Charles II Stuart?

Peter_the_Punter

Carnyx said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

ydoethur said:

paulyork64 said:

OnboardG1 said:

dixiedean said:

ydoethur said:

DougSeal said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

ydoethur said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Scott_xP said:

It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?

He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.

Is he frit?

Boris, quite rightly, will hang on till the very last so that he can squeeze out all he can. He also knows that the more tense it gets, the more congratulations he'll receive in the ensuing orgasm of relief. Boris's Falklands moment is nigh - he just has to count the hours.

Yes.

And he will be General Galtieri.

No, he'll be The General Belgrano.

Interesting factoid I found out recently. The General Belgrano was, prior to purchase by Argentina, the USS Pheonix and survived Pearl Harbor. I'm sure all you sophisticates knew this already but it was news to me.

So it was originally an American, sold out to a foreign country and caused chaos...

Then plumbed new depths?

Ran into danger and got torpedoed by something it should have seen coming.

To be fair a submarine is one thing it shouldn't have seen coming.

Why? Surely it had sonar?

Since you're about, I need to pick your brain.

I'm trying to come up with the most famous/memorable cuckolded man in history.

The entry requirement for this is that the cuckolded chap has had to pretend a child really is his

So I'm thinking Robert Boothby/Harold MacMillan, but can you (and other PBers) come up with anyone better?

Anyone who suggests Saint Joseph is a naughty tinker, as I'm limiting this to real people.

Earl of Castlemaine/Charles II Stuart?

Carnyx said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

ydoethur said:

paulyork64 said:

OnboardG1 said:

dixiedean said:

ydoethur said:

DougSeal said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

ydoethur said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Scott_xP said:

It's still possible, maybe even likely, that BoZo is stupid enough to walk away, but Brexiteers have to ask themselves, if that is the play, what is he waiting for?

He has had several self-imposed deadlines, and missed them all.

Is he frit?

Boris, quite rightly, will hang on till the very last so that he can squeeze out all he can. He also knows that the more tense it gets, the more congratulations he'll receive in the ensuing orgasm of relief. Boris's Falklands moment is nigh - he just has to count the hours.

Yes.

And he will be General Galtieri.

No, he'll be The General Belgrano.

Interesting factoid I found out recently. The General Belgrano was, prior to purchase by Argentina, the USS Pheonix and survived Pearl Harbor. I'm sure all you sophisticates knew this already but it was news to me.

So it was originally an American, sold out to a foreign country and caused chaos...

Then plumbed new depths?

Ran into danger and got torpedoed by something it should have seen coming.

To be fair a submarine is one thing it shouldn't have seen coming.

Why? Surely it had sonar?

Since you're about, I need to pick your brain.

I'm trying to come up with the most famous/memorable cuckolded man in history.

The entry requirement for this is that the cuckolded chap has had to pretend a child really is his

So I'm thinking Robert Boothby/Harold MacMillan, but can you (and other PBers) come up with anyone better?

Anyone who suggests Saint Joseph is a naughty tinker, as I'm limiting this to real people.

Earl of Castlemaine/Charles II Stuart?

I'm thinking of the husband of Nelson's mistress, Lady Hamilton, but am not sure of the details. [Is anybody?]