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As Trump struggles to hang Biden extends his favourability lead over Trump 9% – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,128
edited November 2020 in General
imageAs Trump struggles to hang Biden extends his favourability lead over Trump 9% – politicalbetting.com

Gallup is reporting this afternoon that President-elect Joe Biden’s favourability rating has risen six percentage points to 55% since the election compared with his final pre-election reading. At the same time, President Donald Trump’s favourability has edged down three points to 42%.

Read the full story here

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  • Trump's becoming a bit of a bad smell.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Struggles to hang? Struggles to hang Biden?

    I think Trump would have edged it if Joe had tripped over his dog a month ago. Real old man stuff.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,302
    edited November 2020
    Watch a bunch boring old farts there are on PB.

    I mean not hearing of Rita Ora, I bet you've never heard of Dua Lipa either.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,177

    Watch a bunch boring old farts there are on PB.

    I mean not hearing of Rita Ora, I bet you've never heard of Dua Lipa either.

    Oh come on now - you're just making these up...
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,123

    Watch a bunch boring old farts there on PB.

    I mean not hearing of Rita Ora, I bet you've never heard of Dua Lipa either.

    The Kosovan diaspora are a successful bunch. Mind you, I think I'd prefer Dua Lipa in midfield than Granit Xhaka.
  • Watch a bunch boring old farts there are on PB.

    I mean not hearing of Rita Ora, I bet you've never heard of Dua Lipa either.

    Oh come on now - you're just making these up...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57bNHupO3MU

    She was probably the best thing about going to Kyiv in 2018.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 4,947
    edited November 2020
    Winners usually get honeymoon bounces here too. I would guess they're much larger. I just about remember Blair's, which took his popularity to North Korean levels.

    I suppose the interesting question is whether Biden's will influence Georgia.

    I have to say, I doubt it, for two reasons. First, there's more than a month left to go, and the boost may be ephemeral, and, second, I've yet to hear any of the Democrats or Independents I know over there express any enthusiasm whatsoever for Biden, except as Mr Not-Trump.
  • tlg86 said:

    Watch a bunch boring old farts there on PB.

    I mean not hearing of Rita Ora, I bet you've never heard of Dua Lipa either.

    The Kosovan diaspora are a successful bunch. Mind you, I think I'd prefer Dua Lipa in midfield than Granit Xhaka.
    There was a period of time when I wanted Liverpool to sign Granit Xhaka.

    So our midfield would have been Xhaka Can, XHAKA CAN.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,965
    edited November 2020

    Watch a bunch boring old farts there are on PB.

    I mean not hearing of Rita Ora, I bet you've never heard of Dua Lipa either.

    Edit - behind the curve.

    Edit again - I was expecting Dua to be a bloke for some reason.
  • If it turns out the Tiers vote and Brexit deal only passes thanks to the votes of Labour MPs then I think Sir Keir Starmer is the most powerful LOTO since Attlee.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,231
    Fishing said:

    Winners usually get honeymoon bounces here too. I would guess they're much larger. I just about remember Blair's, which took his popularity to North Korean levels.

    I suppose the interesting question is whether Biden's will influence Georgia.

    I have to say, I doubt it, for two reasons. First, there's more than a month left to go, and the boost may be ephemeral, and, second, I've yet to hear any of the Democrats or Independents I know over there express any enthusiasm whatsoever for Biden, except as Mr Not-Trump.

    Given Biden's apparent bone density, any honeymoon bouncing is surely inadvisable.
  • NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 3,375

    If it turns out the Tiers vote and Brexit deal only passes thanks to the votes of Labour MPs then I think Sir Keir Starmer is the most powerful LOTO since Attlee.

    More powerful than Blair in 1996?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,965
    "Lib Dem leader Sir Ed Davey has said his party is prepared not to back the government's "arbitrary" and "chaotic" new tier system for England in a vote on Tuesday."

    Vote LibDem - get rid of your grandparents.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,965

    If it turns out the Tiers vote and Brexit deal only passes thanks to the votes of Labour MPs then I think Sir Keir Starmer is the most powerful LOTO since Attlee.

    In the 1951 parliament?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,753
    BREAKING

    I am hearing reports of horse-drawn carriages being phased out in favour of self-propelling vehicles.

    Obviously fake news.

  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,281
    edited November 2020
    I think he's referring to Germany's stubborn refusal to accept the third goal was over the line.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,177
    Scott_xP said:
    Its very light on the parameters for each tier section. Makes sense to keep the options loose, but will frustrate many. E.g. Dorset now has a very similar case per 100,000 per week to Cornwall, so should surely be Tier 1?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,691

    "Lib Dem leader Sir Ed Davey has said his party is prepared not to back the government's "arbitrary" and "chaotic" new tier system for England in a vote on Tuesday."

    Vote LibDem - get rid of your grandparents.

    Stupid issue to try to make a stand on anyway. Just unknowable grey.

    (As I posted yesterday the LDs seem to have made an early start on London Mayor campaigning - that's where Sir Ed could usefully employ his talents)
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,691
    TOPPING said:

    BREAKING

    I am hearing reports of horse-drawn carriages being phased out in favour of self-propelling vehicles.

    Obviously fake news.

    Yeah - total red flag - you'll need one in front of you.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited November 2020

    Watch a bunch boring old farts there are on PB.

    I mean not hearing of Rita Ora, I bet you've never heard of Dua Lipa either.

    ...
    Edit again - I was expecting Dua to be a bloke for some reason.
    The bloke who invented the multi-slice toaster, presumably.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 4,947

    If it turns out the Tiers vote and Brexit deal only passes thanks to the votes of Labour MPs then I think Sir Keir Starmer is the most powerful LOTO since Attlee.

    More powerful than Blair in 1996?
    What about Iain Duncan-Smith on whose votes the UK went to war in Iraq?
  • If it turns out the Tiers vote and Brexit deal only passes thanks to the votes of Labour MPs then I think Sir Keir Starmer is the most powerful LOTO since Attlee.

    More powerful than Blair in 1996?
    Yes, Major was able to pass budgets and other legislation right up to dissolution.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    edited November 2020

    "Lib Dem leader Sir Ed Davey has said his party is prepared not to back the government's "arbitrary" and "chaotic" new tier system for England in a vote on Tuesday."

    Vote LibDem - get rid of your grandparents.

    Of course, depending on your point of view you could argue that the whole of Parliament is in favour of the Granny Genocide. Most of the scientists are doing their pieces over all this and want no weakening of the imprisonment edicts at all; some local authorities and the main teaching union want the kids sent home again for the duration to boot.

    One gains the distinct impression that they would like everybody put under house arrest until next Summer - which, in due course, is what they'll probably get.
  • If it turns out the Tiers vote and Brexit deal only passes thanks to the votes of Labour MPs then I think Sir Keir Starmer is the most powerful LOTO since Attlee.

    In the 1951 parliament?
    Eleven years earlier than that.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,342
    edited November 2020
    Fishing said:

    If it turns out the Tiers vote and Brexit deal only passes thanks to the votes of Labour MPs then I think Sir Keir Starmer is the most powerful LOTO since Attlee.

    More powerful than Blair in 1996?
    What about Iain Duncan-Smith on whose votes the UK went to war in Iraq?
    Tbf IDS and "most powerful" are 2 phrases the human mind finds it difficult to simultaneously conceive.

    Ps. This is true of IDS and LOTO also.
  • Fishing said:

    If it turns out the Tiers vote and Brexit deal only passes thanks to the votes of Labour MPs then I think Sir Keir Starmer is the most powerful LOTO since Attlee.

    More powerful than Blair in 1996?
    What about Iain Duncan-Smith on whose votes the UK went to war in Iraq?
    That really didn't have much impact, and I suspect if the Tories had voted against, enough Labour rebels would have backed the government and the result would have been similar to the February vote.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,401
    edited November 2020

    If it turns out the Tiers vote and Brexit deal only passes thanks to the votes of Labour MPs then I think Sir Keir Starmer is the most powerful LOTO since Attlee.

    If Starmer passes the Brexit Deal then he's a fool.

    The Tories need to own this economic clusterf*ck lock stock and barrel.
  • System said:

    imageAs Trump struggles to hang Biden extends his favourability lead over Trump 9% – politicalbetting.com

    Gallup is reporting this afternoon that President-elect Joe Biden’s favourability rating has risen six percentage points to 55% since the election compared with his final pre-election reading. At the same time, President Donald Trump’s favourability has edged down three points to 42%.

    Read the full story here

    I like that pic of Barron, I have high hopes for him; I'm seeing him as a sardonic Holden Caulfield type figure wreaking anarchistic havoc in the Trumpian kakocracy (or whatever's left of it after the final Untergang), and ripping the pish out of Diaper Don and him too stupid to realise it.

    Of course it might go the other way, torturing small animals and graduating to psychopathic serial murders. Here's hoping it's the former.
    Hmm...he's already looking like a distant relative of the Addams family so I suspect the latter.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,753

    If it turns out the Tiers vote and Brexit deal only passes thanks to the votes of Labour MPs then I think Sir Keir Starmer is the most powerful LOTO since Attlee.

    Here's the thing - SKS should just say Tier X here should be Tier Y or that the approach is either too firm/too lax/whatever and oppose it.

    He is the f***ing LOTO. What LOTO has in history twice supported a government which otherwise might have been defeated?
  • System said:

    imageAs Trump struggles to hang Biden extends his favourability lead over Trump 9% – politicalbetting.com

    Gallup is reporting this afternoon that President-elect Joe Biden’s favourability rating has risen six percentage points to 55% since the election compared with his final pre-election reading. At the same time, President Donald Trump’s favourability has edged down three points to 42%.

    Read the full story here

    I like that pic of Barron, I have high hopes for him; I'm seeing him as a sardonic Holden Caulfield type figure wreaking anarchistic havoc in the Trumpian kakocracy (or whatever's left of it after the final Untergang), and ripping the pish out of Diaper Don and him too stupid to realise it.

    Of course it might go the other way, torturing small animals and graduating to psychopathic serial murders. Here's hoping it's the former.
    Melania could take one for the team, one last night of passion would probably finish the Donald off. She'd need extensive counselling afterwards, but I'm sure the Dems would consider it a small price to pay.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 4,947

    Fishing said:

    If it turns out the Tiers vote and Brexit deal only passes thanks to the votes of Labour MPs then I think Sir Keir Starmer is the most powerful LOTO since Attlee.

    More powerful than Blair in 1996?
    What about Iain Duncan-Smith on whose votes the UK went to war in Iraq?
    That really didn't have much impact, and I suspect if the Tories had voted against, enough Labour rebels would have backed the government and the result would have been similar to the February vote.
    Maybe the same will be true of Tory rebels if Starmer doesn't back the Government? Speculating on counterfactuals is pointless, if often irresistible.

    Starmer won't be more powerful after the votes - he'll be thrust back into the usual irrelevance that an LOTO has facing a government with a large majority. All he'll have done will have been to enable the government to get key policies through Parliament.
  • TOPPING said:

    If it turns out the Tiers vote and Brexit deal only passes thanks to the votes of Labour MPs then I think Sir Keir Starmer is the most powerful LOTO since Attlee.

    Here's the thing - SKS should just say Tier X here should be Tier Y or that the approach is either too firm/too lax/whatever and oppose it.

    He is the f***ing LOTO. What LOTO has in history twice supported a government which otherwise might have been defeated?
    Definitely Attlee, there's an argument down below for IDS saving Blair's government twice on Iraq votes.
  • Hancock's Half Hour is on.

    Not as many laughs as the original so far.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,344

    System said:

    imageAs Trump struggles to hang Biden extends his favourability lead over Trump 9% – politicalbetting.com

    Gallup is reporting this afternoon that President-elect Joe Biden’s favourability rating has risen six percentage points to 55% since the election compared with his final pre-election reading. At the same time, President Donald Trump’s favourability has edged down three points to 42%.

    Read the full story here

    I like that pic of Barron, I have high hopes for him; I'm seeing him as a sardonic Holden Caulfield type figure wreaking anarchistic havoc in the Trumpian kakocracy (or whatever's left of it after the final Untergang), and ripping the pish out of Diaper Don and him too stupid to realise it.

    Of course it might go the other way, torturing small animals and graduating to psychopathic serial murders. Here's hoping it's the former.
    Melania could take one for the team, one last night of passion would probably finish the Donald off. She'd need extensive counselling afterwards, but I'm sure the Dems would consider it a small price to pay.
    Surely there are other candidates for the job. Possibly more 'expert'.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,965

    If it turns out the Tiers vote and Brexit deal only passes thanks to the votes of Labour MPs then I think Sir Keir Starmer is the most powerful LOTO since Attlee.

    In the 1951 parliament?
    Eleven years earlier than that.
    Clem wasn't LOTO between May 1940 and May 1945.
  • System said:

    imageAs Trump struggles to hang Biden extends his favourability lead over Trump 9% – politicalbetting.com

    Gallup is reporting this afternoon that President-elect Joe Biden’s favourability rating has risen six percentage points to 55% since the election compared with his final pre-election reading. At the same time, President Donald Trump’s favourability has edged down three points to 42%.

    Read the full story here

    I like that pic of Barron, I have high hopes for him; I'm seeing him as a sardonic Holden Caulfield type figure wreaking anarchistic havoc in the Trumpian kakocracy (or whatever's left of it after the final Untergang), and ripping the pish out of Diaper Don and him too stupid to realise it.

    Of course it might go the other way, torturing small animals and graduating to psychopathic serial murders. Here's hoping it's the former.
    Melania could take one for the team, one last night of passion would probably finish the Donald off. She'd need extensive counselling afterwards, but I'm sure the Dems would consider it a small price to pay.
    Can you talk about finishing Donald off?

    Because I really didn't want that as an image in my head.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,753

    TOPPING said:

    If it turns out the Tiers vote and Brexit deal only passes thanks to the votes of Labour MPs then I think Sir Keir Starmer is the most powerful LOTO since Attlee.

    Here's the thing - SKS should just say Tier X here should be Tier Y or that the approach is either too firm/too lax/whatever and oppose it.

    He is the f***ing LOTO. What LOTO has in history twice supported a government which otherwise might have been defeated?
    Definitely Attlee, there's an argument down below for IDS saving Blair's government twice on Iraq votes.
    Different imo.

    For Iraq the govt was apparently privy to information that, they said, placed the UK in direct harm's way. As such, given the information Lab was disseminating (later shown to be a pack of lies, obvs) it would have been impossible for the Cons to oppose.

    Here, although there is threat also, there are no known unknowns. There is a trajectory of the disease under certain scenarios, which have been made public by every epidemiologist able to speak into a microphone, and an associated economic cost. Again, well modelled by many parties.
  • If it turns out the Tiers vote and Brexit deal only passes thanks to the votes of Labour MPs then I think Sir Keir Starmer is the most powerful LOTO since Attlee.

    In the 1951 parliament?
    Eleven years earlier than that.
    Clem wasn't LOTO between May 1940 and May 1945.
    But in May 1940 he was arguably the most powerful LOTO ever, helping oust the PM and pretty much putting a veto on Halifax succeeding Chamberlain.
  • Is Wisconsin back in play? Out 3 ticks today (though that might just reflect weeks to settlement) but the ECV bands too.

    Current Betfair prices:-

    Biden 1.05
    Democrats 1.05
    Biden PV 1.03
    Biden PV 49-51.9% 1.06
    Trump PV 46-48.9% 1.06
    Trump ECV 210-239 1.1
    Biden ECV 300-329 1.1
    Biden ECV Hcap -48.5 1.05
    Biden ECV Hcap -63.5 1.08
    Trump ECV Hcap +81.5 1.02

    AZ Dem 1.05
    GA Dem 1.05
    MI Dem 1.05
    NV Dem 1.05
    PA Dem 1.06
    WI Dem 1.06

    Trump to leave before end of term NO 1.11
    Trump exit date 2021 1.11
  • The light of dawn is on the horizon, says Hancock.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,077

    If it turns out the Tiers vote and Brexit deal only passes thanks to the votes of Labour MPs then I think Sir Keir Starmer is the most powerful LOTO since Attlee.

    If Starmer passes the Brexit Deal then he's a fool.

    The Tories need to own this economic clusterf*ck lock stock and barrel.
    Boris will own the deal - the fact he will only get it through Parliament with Labours help will ensure his days are numbered.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    System said:

    imageAs Trump struggles to hang Biden extends his favourability lead over Trump 9% – politicalbetting.com

    Gallup is reporting this afternoon that President-elect Joe Biden’s favourability rating has risen six percentage points to 55% since the election compared with his final pre-election reading. At the same time, President Donald Trump’s favourability has edged down three points to 42%.

    Read the full story here

    I like that pic of Barron, I have high hopes for him; I'm seeing him as a sardonic Holden Caulfield type figure wreaking anarchistic havoc in the Trumpian kakocracy (or whatever's left of it after the final Untergang), and ripping the pish out of Diaper Don and him too stupid to realise it.

    Of course it might go the other way, torturing small animals and graduating to psychopathic serial murders. Here's hoping it's the former.
    Hmm...he's already looking like a distant relative of the Addams family so I suspect the latter.
    I think that is unkind, that looks like pure unhappiness to me. Makes me want to see him rehomed.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,342

    If it turns out the Tiers vote and Brexit deal only passes thanks to the votes of Labour MPs then I think Sir Keir Starmer is the most powerful LOTO since Attlee.

    In the 1951 parliament?
    Eleven years earlier than that.
    Clem wasn't LOTO between May 1940 and May 1945.
    But in May 1940 he was arguably the most powerful LOTO ever, helping oust the PM and pretty much putting a veto on Halifax succeeding Chamberlain.
    Probably the wisest and most significant action of a LOTO in history.
  • If it turns out the Tiers vote and Brexit deal only passes thanks to the votes of Labour MPs then I think Sir Keir Starmer is the most powerful LOTO since Attlee.

    In the 1951 parliament?
    Eleven years earlier than that.
    Clem wasn't LOTO between May 1940 and May 1945.
    But in May 1940 he was arguably the most powerful LOTO ever, helping oust the PM and pretty much putting a veto on Halifax succeeding Chamberlain.
    I'm not sure that supporting the government in its regulations re the consumption of Scotch eggs in licensed premises is quite in the same league, TBH.
  • Not much on vaccines there. Mention of Moderna, but no details of roll-out.
  • Is Wisconsin back in play? Out 3 ticks today (though that might just reflect weeks to settlement) but the ECV bands too.

    Current Betfair prices:-

    Biden 1.05
    Democrats 1.05
    Biden PV 1.03
    Biden PV 49-51.9% 1.06
    Trump PV 46-48.9% 1.06
    Trump ECV 210-239 1.1
    Biden ECV 300-329 1.1
    Biden ECV Hcap -48.5 1.05
    Biden ECV Hcap -63.5 1.08
    Trump ECV Hcap +81.5 1.02

    AZ Dem 1.05
    GA Dem 1.05
    MI Dem 1.05
    NV Dem 1.05
    PA Dem 1.06
    WI Dem 1.06

    Trump to leave before end of term NO 1.11
    Trump exit date 2021 1.11

    "Recount in two Wisconsin counties reinforces Biden’s victory." - NYTimes
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    If it turns out the Tiers vote and Brexit deal only passes thanks to the votes of Labour MPs then I think Sir Keir Starmer is the most powerful LOTO since Attlee.

    If Starmer passes the Brexit Deal then he's a fool.

    The Tories need to own this economic clusterf*ck lock stock and barrel.
    This talk about people "owning" stuff is real cutting off one's nose to spite one's face. Permitting a preventable no deal crashout in order to make Johnson look jolly silly would be party before country stuff of which I hope Starmer is simply incapable.
  • If it turns out the Tiers vote and Brexit deal only passes thanks to the votes of Labour MPs then I think Sir Keir Starmer is the most powerful LOTO since Attlee.

    In the 1951 parliament?
    Eleven years earlier than that.
    Clem wasn't LOTO between May 1940 and May 1945.
    But in May 1940 he was arguably the most powerful LOTO ever, helping oust the PM and pretty much putting a veto on Halifax succeeding Chamberlain.
    I'm not sure that supporting the government in its regulations re the consumption of Scotch eggs in licensed premises is quite in the same league, TBH.
    But it is possible that if these tier regulations don't pass then it could see more deaths than The Blitz.

    That's how much power Starmer has.
  • dixiedean said:

    If it turns out the Tiers vote and Brexit deal only passes thanks to the votes of Labour MPs then I think Sir Keir Starmer is the most powerful LOTO since Attlee.

    In the 1951 parliament?
    Eleven years earlier than that.
    Clem wasn't LOTO between May 1940 and May 1945.
    But in May 1940 he was arguably the most powerful LOTO ever, helping oust the PM and pretty much putting a veto on Halifax succeeding Chamberlain.
    Probably the wisest and most significant action of a LOTO in history.
    Yup.
  • If it turns out the Tiers vote and Brexit deal only passes thanks to the votes of Labour MPs then I think Sir Keir Starmer is the most powerful LOTO since Attlee.

    In the 1951 parliament?
    Eleven years earlier than that.
    Clem wasn't LOTO between May 1940 and May 1945.
    But in May 1940 he was arguably the most powerful LOTO ever, helping oust the PM and pretty much putting a veto on Halifax succeeding Chamberlain.
    I'm not sure that supporting the government in its regulations re the consumption of Scotch eggs in licensed premises is quite in the same league, TBH.
    But it is possible that if these tier regulations don't pass then it could see more deaths than The Blitz.

    That's how much power Starmer has.
    Yes, I know, but it's not really power if it's a no-brainer and he doesn't have any choice.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,344

    Is Wisconsin back in play? Out 3 ticks today (though that might just reflect weeks to settlement) but the ECV bands too.

    Current Betfair prices:-

    Biden 1.05
    Democrats 1.05
    Biden PV 1.03
    Biden PV 49-51.9% 1.06
    Trump PV 46-48.9% 1.06
    Trump ECV 210-239 1.1
    Biden ECV 300-329 1.1
    Biden ECV Hcap -48.5 1.05
    Biden ECV Hcap -63.5 1.08
    Trump ECV Hcap +81.5 1.02

    AZ Dem 1.05
    GA Dem 1.05
    MI Dem 1.05
    NV Dem 1.05
    PA Dem 1.06
    WI Dem 1.06

    Trump to leave before end of term NO 1.11
    Trump exit date 2021 1.11

    "Recount in two Wisconsin counties reinforces Biden’s victory." - NYTimes
    Surely someone, somewhere, has the guts to stand up and tell Trump that he's lost. What, for example has Pence got to lose by doing so?
    Probably pick a few brownie points with the NYT etc by calming the situation. Even though some transition teams are working, the situation can't be good for the US.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,342
    IshmaelZ said:

    System said:

    imageAs Trump struggles to hang Biden extends his favourability lead over Trump 9% – politicalbetting.com

    Gallup is reporting this afternoon that President-elect Joe Biden’s favourability rating has risen six percentage points to 55% since the election compared with his final pre-election reading. At the same time, President Donald Trump’s favourability has edged down three points to 42%.

    Read the full story here

    I like that pic of Barron, I have high hopes for him; I'm seeing him as a sardonic Holden Caulfield type figure wreaking anarchistic havoc in the Trumpian kakocracy (or whatever's left of it after the final Untergang), and ripping the pish out of Diaper Don and him too stupid to realise it.

    Of course it might go the other way, torturing small animals and graduating to psychopathic serial murders. Here's hoping it's the former.
    Hmm...he's already looking like a distant relative of the Addams family so I suspect the latter.
    I think that is unkind, that looks like pure unhappiness to me. Makes me want to see him rehomed.
    He'll be rehomed soon enough...sadly with his own family.
  • IshmaelZ said:

    If it turns out the Tiers vote and Brexit deal only passes thanks to the votes of Labour MPs then I think Sir Keir Starmer is the most powerful LOTO since Attlee.

    If Starmer passes the Brexit Deal then he's a fool.

    The Tories need to own this economic clusterf*ck lock stock and barrel.
    This talk about people "owning" stuff is real cutting off one's nose to spite one's face. Permitting a preventable no deal crashout in order to make Johnson look jolly silly would be party before country stuff of which I hope Starmer is simply incapable.
    When it all goes wrong, which is will as any deal now will be as skinny as a 90s supermodel as someone quipped the other day - then if Starmer voted for it this will come back to haunt him.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,586

    IshmaelZ said:

    If it turns out the Tiers vote and Brexit deal only passes thanks to the votes of Labour MPs then I think Sir Keir Starmer is the most powerful LOTO since Attlee.

    If Starmer passes the Brexit Deal then he's a fool.

    The Tories need to own this economic clusterf*ck lock stock and barrel.
    This talk about people "owning" stuff is real cutting off one's nose to spite one's face. Permitting a preventable no deal crashout in order to make Johnson look jolly silly would be party before country stuff of which I hope Starmer is simply incapable.
    When it all goes wrong, which is will as any deal now will be as skinny as a 90s supermodel as someone quipped the other day - then if Starmer voted for it this will come back to haunt him.
    Labour could abstain to allow it to pass, I guess?
  • https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1333460907750543365

    “They want to decide what we can eat. Now they want to choose who we can love.”

    A new law approved by the ruling Hindu nationalist party this week has set the stage for a crackdown on interfaith marriages. (2)

    Poised to become law within days in Uttar Pradesh, home to almost 240 million people, the new legislation will impose jail terms of up to ten years for anyone convicted of using marriage to force their partner to change religion. (3)

    The law mentions no particular faith but there is little doubt of its main target.

    Government officials warn of “love jihad”: the conspiracy theory of an alleged plot by Muslim men to convert Hindu women to Islam through marriage. (4)
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,691

    IshmaelZ said:

    If it turns out the Tiers vote and Brexit deal only passes thanks to the votes of Labour MPs then I think Sir Keir Starmer is the most powerful LOTO since Attlee.

    If Starmer passes the Brexit Deal then he's a fool.

    The Tories need to own this economic clusterf*ck lock stock and barrel.
    This talk about people "owning" stuff is real cutting off one's nose to spite one's face. Permitting a preventable no deal crashout in order to make Johnson look jolly silly would be party before country stuff of which I hope Starmer is simply incapable.
    When it all goes wrong, which is will as any deal now will be as skinny as a 90s supermodel as someone quipped the other day - then if Starmer voted for it this will come back to haunt him.
    Ok, so his 'superpower' is voting against when he knows it'll pass anyway?
  • Is Wisconsin back in play? Out 3 ticks today (though that might just reflect weeks to settlement) but the ECV bands too.

    Current Betfair prices:-

    Biden 1.05
    Democrats 1.05
    Biden PV 1.03
    Biden PV 49-51.9% 1.06
    Trump PV 46-48.9% 1.06
    Trump ECV 210-239 1.1
    Biden ECV 300-329 1.1
    Biden ECV Hcap -48.5 1.05
    Biden ECV Hcap -63.5 1.08
    Trump ECV Hcap +81.5 1.02

    AZ Dem 1.05
    GA Dem 1.05
    MI Dem 1.05
    NV Dem 1.05
    PA Dem 1.06
    WI Dem 1.06

    Trump to leave before end of term NO 1.11
    Trump exit date 2021 1.11

    "Recount in two Wisconsin counties reinforces Biden’s victory." - NYTimes
    Yes, and after the recount, Wisconsin came into 1.03 but it is now back out to 1.06; now, that is probably just a correction to reflect the long wait to settlement, in line with the other states, *except* that the two complementary ECV band markets are both out to 1.1 suggesting something else is going on.
  • Omnium said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    If it turns out the Tiers vote and Brexit deal only passes thanks to the votes of Labour MPs then I think Sir Keir Starmer is the most powerful LOTO since Attlee.

    If Starmer passes the Brexit Deal then he's a fool.

    The Tories need to own this economic clusterf*ck lock stock and barrel.
    This talk about people "owning" stuff is real cutting off one's nose to spite one's face. Permitting a preventable no deal crashout in order to make Johnson look jolly silly would be party before country stuff of which I hope Starmer is simply incapable.
    When it all goes wrong, which is will as any deal now will be as skinny as a 90s supermodel as someone quipped the other day - then if Starmer voted for it this will come back to haunt him.
    Ok, so his 'superpower' is voting against when he knows it'll pass anyway?
    Abstain.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,069
    edited November 2020

    If it turns out the Tiers vote and Brexit deal only passes thanks to the votes of Labour MPs then I think Sir Keir Starmer is the most powerful LOTO since Attlee.

    In the 1951 parliament?
    Eleven years earlier than that.
    Clem wasn't LOTO between May 1940 and May 1945.
    But in May 1940 he was arguably the most powerful LOTO ever, helping oust the PM and pretty much putting a veto on Halifax succeeding Chamberlain.
    I'm not sure that supporting the government in its regulations re the consumption of Scotch eggs in licensed premises is quite in the same league, TBH.
    But it is possible that if these tier regulations don't pass then it could see more deaths than The Blitz.

    That's how much power Starmer has.
    Yes, I know, but it's not really power if it's a no-brainer and he doesn't have any choice.
    Can Starmer get anything in exchange?

    Because a warm feeling for having done the right thing is nice, but it doesn't butter any parsnips.

    And the knowledge that there are several dozen irresponsible idiots on the Conservative benches shouldn't be news to anyone, even Bozza.
  • IshmaelZ said:

    If it turns out the Tiers vote and Brexit deal only passes thanks to the votes of Labour MPs then I think Sir Keir Starmer is the most powerful LOTO since Attlee.

    If Starmer passes the Brexit Deal then he's a fool.

    The Tories need to own this economic clusterf*ck lock stock and barrel.
    This talk about people "owning" stuff is real cutting off one's nose to spite one's face. Permitting a preventable no deal crashout in order to make Johnson look jolly silly would be party before country stuff of which I hope Starmer is simply incapable.
    When it all goes wrong, which is will as any deal now will be as skinny as a 90s supermodel as someone quipped the other day - then if Starmer voted for it this will come back to haunt him.
    Nah, Labour were in favour of ERM membership and Dave & George supported Gordon Brown's spending plans but nobody remembered that when it all went mammary glands up.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,477
    IshmaelZ said:

    Struggles to hang? Struggles to hang Biden?

    I think Trump would have edged it if Joe had tripped over his dog a month ago. Real old man stuff.

    Pretty crass ageist stuff.

    Injuries to the bones in the feet are easily done, I was in a walking boot for five months last autumn after sustaining a hairline fracture to my large metatarsal in an innocuous encounter with a football. I'm in my forties.

    It's literally an unlucky break in most cases, but you right go ahead and be waspish about it.
  • IshmaelZ said:

    If it turns out the Tiers vote and Brexit deal only passes thanks to the votes of Labour MPs then I think Sir Keir Starmer is the most powerful LOTO since Attlee.

    If Starmer passes the Brexit Deal then he's a fool.

    The Tories need to own this economic clusterf*ck lock stock and barrel.
    This talk about people "owning" stuff is real cutting off one's nose to spite one's face. Permitting a preventable no deal crashout in order to make Johnson look jolly silly would be party before country stuff of which I hope Starmer is simply incapable.
    When it all goes wrong, which is will as any deal now will be as skinny as a 90s supermodel as someone quipped the other day - then if Starmer voted for it this will come back to haunt him.
    But if (like Corbyn) he takes Labour through the same lobbies as the looniest of ERG nutjobs and thus actually trips us into a No Deal crashout, he'll also own that. Depends on the numbers and what the other parties do, obviously, but (if there is any kind of deal), I expect a substantial number of Tory MPs will vote against it.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,586
    DougSeal said:

    Here's an unexpected downside of homeworking. During a phone call today with a new colleague I have yet to meet in person I remarked about the old school picture of himself wearing school uniform he had posted as his LinkedIn avitar. Turns out he took it himself last month in a brand new blue suit he had bought especially.

    You have done him a favour - if you genuinely thought that, he needs a better suit and/or a better photograph.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,586
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  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,753
    IshmaelZ said:

    If it turns out the Tiers vote and Brexit deal only passes thanks to the votes of Labour MPs then I think Sir Keir Starmer is the most powerful LOTO since Attlee.

    If Starmer passes the Brexit Deal then he's a fool.

    The Tories need to own this economic clusterf*ck lock stock and barrel.
    This talk about people "owning" stuff is real cutting off one's nose to spite one's face. Permitting a preventable no deal crashout in order to make Johnson look jolly silly would be party before country stuff of which I hope Starmer is simply incapable.
    He's the leader of the Opposition (apparently).

    It is his job to tell the government that anything they are doing his party could do better. From Brexit, to Covid response, to schools, hospitals, you name it.

    That, surely, has got to be written on the first pager of the Leader of the Opposition 1.01 manual?

    I mean even Jeremy effing Corbyn realised this.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    The light of dawn is on the horizon, says Hancock.

    Bollocks.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,586
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  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,691

    Omnium said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    If it turns out the Tiers vote and Brexit deal only passes thanks to the votes of Labour MPs then I think Sir Keir Starmer is the most powerful LOTO since Attlee.

    If Starmer passes the Brexit Deal then he's a fool.

    The Tories need to own this economic clusterf*ck lock stock and barrel.
    This talk about people "owning" stuff is real cutting off one's nose to spite one's face. Permitting a preventable no deal crashout in order to make Johnson look jolly silly would be party before country stuff of which I hope Starmer is simply incapable.
    When it all goes wrong, which is will as any deal now will be as skinny as a 90s supermodel as someone quipped the other day - then if Starmer voted for it this will come back to haunt him.
    Ok, so his 'superpower' is voting against when he knows it'll pass anyway?
    Abstain.
    Not sure that you'll convince the historians of his powerful moment that way.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,586
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  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,753
    DougSeal said:

    Here's an unexpected downside of homeworking. During a phone call today with a new colleague I have yet to meet in person I remarked about the old school photo of himself wearing school uniform he had posted as his LinkedIn profile pic. Turns out he took it himself last month in a brand new blue suit he had bought especially.

    What line of business are you in again?

    :wink:
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,873

    Is Wisconsin back in play? Out 3 ticks today (though that might just reflect weeks to settlement) but the ECV bands too.

    Current Betfair prices:-

    Biden 1.05
    Democrats 1.05
    Biden PV 1.03
    Biden PV 49-51.9% 1.06
    Trump PV 46-48.9% 1.06
    Trump ECV 210-239 1.1
    Biden ECV 300-329 1.1
    Biden ECV Hcap -48.5 1.05
    Biden ECV Hcap -63.5 1.08
    Trump ECV Hcap +81.5 1.02

    AZ Dem 1.05
    GA Dem 1.05
    MI Dem 1.05
    NV Dem 1.05
    PA Dem 1.06
    WI Dem 1.06

    Trump to leave before end of term NO 1.11
    Trump exit date 2021 1.11

    "Recount in two Wisconsin counties reinforces Biden’s victory." - NYTimes
    Surely someone, somewhere, has the guts to stand up and tell Trump that he's lost. What, for example has Pence got to lose by doing so?
    Probably pick a few brownie points with the NYT etc by calming the situation. Even though some transition teams are working, the situation can't be good for the US.
    They don't need to tell him because he already knows that he has lost. He's made comments before in contests that he could only possibly lose if a contest is rigged, and now he's just upping the rhetoric as he did indeed lose. Amplifying the grievance aids his future position and any problems he has coming won't be made any worse by acting like he has, so he's going for it.

    It's despicable, but from his perspective rational - only he matters, so anything is permissable.
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  • TOPPING said:

    DougSeal said:

    Here's an unexpected downside of homeworking. During a phone call today with a new colleague I have yet to meet in person I remarked about the old school photo of himself wearing school uniform he had posted as his LinkedIn profile pic. Turns out he took it himself last month in a brand new blue suit he had bought especially.

    What line of business are you in again?

    :wink:
    Barrister I believe, they struggle when they don't have a solicitor doing all the hard work for them.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,691

    The light of dawn is on the horizon, says Hancock.

    Bollocks.
    I'm no sure you'll find the light of dawn otherwise.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,586
    UK R

    From case data

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  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    IshmaelZ said:

    Struggles to hang? Struggles to hang Biden?

    I think Trump would have edged it if Joe had tripped over his dog a month ago. Real old man stuff.

    Pretty crass ageist stuff.

    Injuries to the bones in the feet are easily done, I was in a walking boot for five months last autumn after sustaining a hairline fracture to my large metatarsal in an innocuous encounter with a football. I'm in my forties.

    It's literally an unlucky break in most cases, but you right go ahead and be waspish about it.
    I was actually just objectively thinking about the possibility of this incident, amplified by Trump on twitter the way he does best, being Dole falling off the stage in 1996 all over again.

    Odd post.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,873
    edited November 2020
    TOPPING said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    If it turns out the Tiers vote and Brexit deal only passes thanks to the votes of Labour MPs then I think Sir Keir Starmer is the most powerful LOTO since Attlee.

    If Starmer passes the Brexit Deal then he's a fool.

    The Tories need to own this economic clusterf*ck lock stock and barrel.
    This talk about people "owning" stuff is real cutting off one's nose to spite one's face. Permitting a preventable no deal crashout in order to make Johnson look jolly silly would be party before country stuff of which I hope Starmer is simply incapable.
    He's the leader of the Opposition (apparently).

    It is his job to tell the government that anything they are doing his party could do better. From Brexit, to Covid response, to schools, hospitals, you name it.

    That, surely, has got to be written on the first pager of the Leader of the Opposition 1.01 manual?

    I mean even Jeremy effing Corbyn realised this.
    He can say that and still vote for something, if he thinks it appropritate in the circumstances. The approach you describe is that of a child, which would explain why Corbyn realised it.

    Should Labour MPs not have voted for gay marriage because they were in opposition when it was proposed? Or did they vote for it whilst still being able to insist they could do a better job on equality issues?

    Even an opposition doesn't just oppose all the time as there are plenty of things sides will actually agree about, or there might only be one viable option available, which might need to be taken without sacrificing the ability to condemn the government for getting in that position.
  • How is he undermining them?

    He's listing one of the many benefits of vaccination.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    TOPPING said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    If it turns out the Tiers vote and Brexit deal only passes thanks to the votes of Labour MPs then I think Sir Keir Starmer is the most powerful LOTO since Attlee.

    If Starmer passes the Brexit Deal then he's a fool.

    The Tories need to own this economic clusterf*ck lock stock and barrel.
    This talk about people "owning" stuff is real cutting off one's nose to spite one's face. Permitting a preventable no deal crashout in order to make Johnson look jolly silly would be party before country stuff of which I hope Starmer is simply incapable.
    He's the leader of the Opposition (apparently).

    It is his job to tell the government that anything they are doing his party could do better. From Brexit, to Covid response, to schools, hospitals, you name it.

    That, surely, has got to be written on the first pager of the Leader of the Opposition 1.01 manual?

    I mean even Jeremy effing Corbyn realised this.
    Tactically the reaction of Johnson's backbenches and wider party to a deal that could only be passed with Labour's help makes it worthwhile.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,460
    edited November 2020
    Mr Hancock says a programme across all UK universities will ensure as many as possible can get a test before they travel home.

    So we have gone from all students getting tested to as many as possible. This isn't good enough. This should have been absolute priority to have them all tested and then sent home as soon as they are negative.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,753

    TOPPING said:

    DougSeal said:

    Here's an unexpected downside of homeworking. During a phone call today with a new colleague I have yet to meet in person I remarked about the old school photo of himself wearing school uniform he had posted as his LinkedIn profile pic. Turns out he took it himself last month in a brand new blue suit he had bought especially.

    What line of business are you in again?

    :wink:
    Barrister I believe, they struggle when they don't have a solicitor doing all the hard work for them.
    I thought (s)he was in employment law. Would know all about harrassment, intimidation, bullying, not treating people fairly, etc...
  • DougSeal said:

    Here's an unexpected downside of homeworking. During a phone call today with a new colleague I have yet to meet in person I remarked about the old school picture of himself wearing school uniform he had posted as his LinkedIn avitar. Turns out he took it himself last month in a brand new blue suit he had bought especially.

    You have done him a favour - if you genuinely thought that, he needs a better suit and/or a better photograph.
    There have been some shocking suits posted on pb over the years. :wink:
  • Mr Hancock says a programme across all UK universities will ensure as many as possible can get a test before they travel home.

    Sowe have gone from all students getting tested to as many as possible. This isn't good enough.

    I hear on the grapevine that students aren't taking the tests as they don't want to be told to self isolate for last two weeks of term.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,477
  • MattWMattW Posts: 22,703

    How is he undermining them?

    He's listing one of the many benefits of vaccination.
    Does NZ control the policies of individual businesses?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,477

    How is he undermining them?

    He's listing one of the many benefits of vaccination.
    Yes, exactly.
  • TOPPING said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    If it turns out the Tiers vote and Brexit deal only passes thanks to the votes of Labour MPs then I think Sir Keir Starmer is the most powerful LOTO since Attlee.

    If Starmer passes the Brexit Deal then he's a fool.

    The Tories need to own this economic clusterf*ck lock stock and barrel.
    This talk about people "owning" stuff is real cutting off one's nose to spite one's face. Permitting a preventable no deal crashout in order to make Johnson look jolly silly would be party before country stuff of which I hope Starmer is simply incapable.
    He's the leader of the Opposition (apparently).

    It is his job to tell the government that anything they are doing his party could do better. From Brexit, to Covid response, to schools, hospitals, you name it.

    That, surely, has got to be written on the first pager of the Leader of the Opposition 1.01 manual?

    I mean even Jeremy effing Corbyn realised this.
    Yup. So speak against, put down a symbolic amendment ("reluctantly, under duress"... I don't know, I teach physics for a living), but ultimately vote for The Rubbish Deal.

    Because whist this will be a bad deal in any realistic sense, it's unlikely to be A Bad Deal in the "No Deal is better than A Bad Deal" sense.
  • NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 3,375
    Wales Circuit Breaker is not looking a good policy
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    DougSeal said:

    Here's an unexpected downside of homeworking. During a phone call today with a new colleague I have yet to meet in person I remarked about the old school photo of himself wearing school uniform he had posted as his LinkedIn profile pic. Turns out he took it himself last month in a brand new blue suit he had bought especially.

    Unfortunate. If I were him I would now be wondering whether that was a put down or a come on.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,753
    kle4 said:

    TOPPING said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    If it turns out the Tiers vote and Brexit deal only passes thanks to the votes of Labour MPs then I think Sir Keir Starmer is the most powerful LOTO since Attlee.

    If Starmer passes the Brexit Deal then he's a fool.

    The Tories need to own this economic clusterf*ck lock stock and barrel.
    This talk about people "owning" stuff is real cutting off one's nose to spite one's face. Permitting a preventable no deal crashout in order to make Johnson look jolly silly would be party before country stuff of which I hope Starmer is simply incapable.
    He's the leader of the Opposition (apparently).

    It is his job to tell the government that anything they are doing his party could do better. From Brexit, to Covid response, to schools, hospitals, you name it.

    That, surely, has got to be written on the first pager of the Leader of the Opposition 1.01 manual?

    I mean even Jeremy effing Corbyn realised this.
    He can say that and still vote for something, if he thinks it appropritate in the circumstances. The approach you describe is that of a child, which would explain why Corbyn realised it.

    Should Labour MPs not have voted for gay marriage because they were in opposition when it was proposed? Or did they vote for it whilst still being able to insist they could do a better job on equality issues?

    Even an opposition doesn't just oppose all the time as there are plenty of things sides will actually agree about, or there might only be one viable option available, which might need to be taken without sacrificing the ability to condemn the government for getting in that position.
    Absolutely wrong.

    He is every day ceding ground and the initiative to the Cons.

    In 12-18 or 36 months time:

    SKS: The Cons got it very badly wrong over Covid and Brexit.
    Everyone: If it was so badly wrong why did you support it?
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