On topic I'm not going to pretend to have my finger on the pulse of the British family but I wonder if this isn't exaggerating how desperately everybody loves Christmas. I mean kids love the presents, but they can still get their presents. If the government calmly and reasonably says, "this disease is very bad, the vaccine will just be a few more months and then you can get together with your family", is everyone really going to say "fuck everything, we do this every year, I want to see the grandparents *now* and I don't care if their immune system is eating their lungs in January"?
This country now runs on institutionalised mawkishness. Picture an extended family gathering of obese poppy wearing retards standing round the Christmas table toasting Our NHS Carers at the end of the Queen's (gawd bless her) speech. Mess with that vision at your peril.
Don't forget a Battle of Britain flight flypast, crews in Santa costumes, bomb doors of Lanc' opening to scatter Made in China crap upon the land 'for the kiddies'.
One thing more - I strongly echo Mystiose's point about wearing masks by reminding folk that if you hate wearing them - and I do - you gonna find the ventilator in the ICU wards much worse!
The issue is that wearing a mask mainly protects others, not the wearer.
Thus we see once again the country (and indeed all humankind) divide broadly into the two great tribes of the Altruists and the Selfish.
In response to the header, are people really being irrational, though? For a very large majority, it's not a disease that threatens them. One can argue that is selfish, but that's a different argument.
Well I really like Christmas. My views on it are perfectly summed up in Tim Minchin's song Drinking white wine in the sun. It is not a religious festival for me but it is normally a delight to have so many of the family together playing games, catching up and eating and drinking far too much. I will really miss it this year.
I love that Minchin song too, a real tear-jerker.
I saw him perform it live in Edinburgh shortly before Christmas last year. It was an excellent concert, courtesy of my daughter who is also a fan. The lyrics are so brilliant:
I don't go in for ancient wisdom, I don't believe just because ideas are tenacious it means that they're worthy.
On topic I'm not going to pretend to have my finger on the pulse of the British family but I wonder if this isn't exaggerating how desperately everybody loves Christmas. I mean kids love the presents, but they can still get their presents. If the government calmly and reasonably says, "this disease is very bad, the vaccine will just be a few more months and then you can get together with your family", is everyone really going to say "fuck everything, we do this every year, I want to see the grandparents *now* and I don't care if their immune system is eating their lungs in January"?
This country now runs on institutionalised mawkishness. Picture an extended family gathering of obese poppy wearing retards standing round the Christmas table toasting Our NHS Carers at the end of the Queen's (gawd bless her) speech. Mess with that vision at your peril.
Probably all Leave voters. (Cue accusations of elitism, including from those who Liked post above...). On topic, it is hard to understand this obsession with the great Christmas family gathering. One thought: why not have an extra bank holiday in the summer after the vaccine is here to allow for a delayed family celebration, announced at the same time as an extension of current rules through year-end? Give people something to look forward to.
They'd all just go and have a Bondi Beach-style Christmas bash. And there's bound to be some super spreader anti-vaxer there who has been hiding away....
I've spent a couple of Christmases on a tropical beach. Don't knock it till you've tried it!
The 2020 plan WAS to go to Thailand, to Younger Son's for a couple of weeks before, and a couple of weeks after.Did it a few years ago; I've got a picture of me somewhere by his swimming pool in a silly hat and swimming shorts, with a drink in my hand. It was a good one.
One thing more - I strongly echo Mystiose's point about wearing masks by reminding folk that if you hate wearing them - and I do - you gonna find the ventilator in the ICU wards much worse!
The issue is that wearing a mask mainly protects others, not the wearer.
Thus we see once again the country (and indeed all humankind) divide broadly into the two great tribes of the Altruists and the Selfish.
On topic I'm not going to pretend to have my finger on the pulse of the British family but I wonder if this isn't exaggerating how desperately everybody loves Christmas. I mean kids love the presents, but they can still get their presents. If the government calmly and reasonably says, "this disease is very bad, the vaccine will just be a few more months and then you can get together with your family", is everyone really going to say "fuck everything, we do this every year, I want to see the grandparents *now* and I don't care if their immune system is eating their lungs in January"?
This country now runs on institutionalised mawkishness. Picture an extended family gathering of obese poppy wearing retards standing round the Christmas table toasting Our NHS Carers at the end of the Queen's (gawd bless her) speech. Mess with that vision at your peril.
Don't forget a Battle of Britain flight flypast, crews in Santa costumes, bomb doors of Lanc' opening to scatter Made in China crap upon the land 'for the kiddies'.
One thing more - I strongly echo Mystiose's point about wearing masks by reminding folk that if you hate wearing them - and I do - you gonna find the ventilator in the ICU wards much worse!
The issue is that wearing a mask mainly protects others, not the wearer.
Thus we see once again the country (and indeed all humankind) divide broadly into the two great tribes of the Altruists and the Selfish.
In this country would that be roughly 48% - 52% ?
The divide between altrusim and selfishness runs more within, rather than between, people.
On topic I'm not going to pretend to have my finger on the pulse of the British family but I wonder if this isn't exaggerating how desperately everybody loves Christmas. I mean kids love the presents, but they can still get their presents. If the government calmly and reasonably says, "this disease is very bad, the vaccine will just be a few more months and then you can get together with your family", is everyone really going to say "fuck everything, we do this every year, I want to see the grandparents *now* and I don't care if their immune system is eating their lungs in January"?
This country now runs on institutionalised mawkishness. Picture an extended family gathering of obese poppy wearing retards standing round the Christmas table toasting Our NHS Carers at the end of the Queen's (gawd bless her) speech. Mess with that vision at your peril.
Don't forget a Battle of Britain flight flypast, crews in Santa costumes, bomb doors of Lanc' opening to scatter Made in China crap upon the land 'for the kiddies'.
Have you been round to Malc's for a drink?
That sounds like a party worth breaking lockdown for!
Hmm... According to Hancock there is a good chance that the most vulnerable will be vaccinated by Christmas. If that is the case I would very much not want my 84 year old mother in law to spend Christmas on her own. My brother has a terminal condition. Again, he may well have been vaccinated by then.
IIUC the Pfizer vaccine needs an injection, then 2 weeks, then another injection, then another week, before you have immunity. So if you want the MiL to be immune by then, you'll need her to get her injection a week on Thursday at the latest.
Sadly, I'm certain that I won't be protected by vaccination by Christmas, even given my age. I'm also not at all certain that the requisite systems will be in place to provide vaccination to all who are 'due' it.
Yes I know Hancock has said everything will be in place, but that's all we've got to go von.
Re the two injections, yes for full effect some will need both injections, and it will take a few weeks. However, immunity is not an on/off system, and there will be some, mainly the younger, who would only need one shot, and gain immunity quickly. Re Christmas, I suspect the government are having to allow some relaxation, because they know it will happen anyway. For all our sakes we should try to be good as much as possible, but this has been a rubbish year, and for many Christmas is a valuable time.
Pfizer say that immunising using their vaccine requires two injection 2-3 weeks apart. Others don't, but Pfizer's is what we'll have first. Given the record systems we have, or ought to have, in GP surgeries, getting everyone done ought to be possible, but there are quite a lot of people who are not registered with a GP, or are registered with GP's away from their current homes. That situation may well have improved, of course, since I had anything to do with it, of course. If we were going to have some other arrangement, then there will have to be some system for identifying people who have had jab one, and ensuring they are called for jab two.
I'll wait. I fail to see how normal safety testing of any vaccine can be complete before end 2021, even though governments have signed blank cheques (and as usual, indemnified producers against legal claims).
Personally I would rather take my chances with the vaccine rather than the virus.
Not that I may get that choice, Isolating with covid positive Mrs Foxy. So far so good, but must have been exposed to viral Russian roulette, and another 10 days to go of it.
Christmas is a load of old wank at the best of times. Our lives are ordered by the approach of the next celebration, and each celebration makes us spend money we don't have on stuff we don't need or really even want. On Boxing Day there will be Easter eggs on supermarket shelves. Once Easter is out the way, it'll be holidays, then whatever celebration the marketing departments try to foist on us next. Chuck in Comic Relief and Children in Need. In September we have to get ready for Halloween, but you'll find mince pies and chocolate reindeer on the shelves as well. A quick sprint to Bonfire Night, Poppy Wearing, maybe a bit of Diwali and then It's Christmaaaaas! Somebody shoot me.
Have a heart! Do you want to take the food out of the mouths of advertisers children?
Well I really like Christmas. My views on it are perfectly summed up in Tim Minchin's song Drinking white wine in the sun. It is not a religious festival for me but it is normally a delight to have so many of the family together playing games, catching up and eating and drinking far too much. I will really miss it this year.
I love that Minchin song too, a real tear-jerker.
I saw him perform it live in Edinburgh shortly before Christmas last year. It was an excellent concert, courtesy of my daughter who is also a fan. The lyrics are so brilliant:
I don't go in for ancient wisdom, I don't believe just because ideas are tenacious it means that they're worthy.
Minchin is a fellow skeptic, he used to crop up a lot in the many science/skeptic podcasts that I used to listen to before politics podcasts grabbed me.
Love Christmas or not, the government ought by now to be giving more information so families can *plan* Christmas.
Seriously? They haven’t even given us enough info to plan Brexit.
I’ve been considering a complaint to the ASA about that ad they’ve put out telling people to look at their website for new information, when actually they don’t have the information yet.
Every business in the country received a letter last week from the Business Dept, telling them to be prepared for Jan 1st. I wonder how many copies they received back with the note ‘you first’, or something less polite. Perhaps it was just me.
We will have to make a decision in early February on whether the Dart Music Festival is a go for May. I would love to think that we will have enough encouraging signs that we will be good to go. But, being realistic, a week of Christmas merriment paid for by five more weeks of lockdown leaves me thinking we just can't take the financial risk.
Our suppliers of things like stages etc might well not be there as functioning businesses in 2022. So we might already have had the last one. And I can sit back and think this will be what we lost....
Morning all. We are close to a vaccine - very close. So grim as this winter is and annoying as it is not to be allowed to see people, there is an end in sight. So why would anyone responsible want to bin off that future for something we can do later when it's safe?
I've been making the point for ages about the release of students from university being a super-spreader event. It doesn't matter how desperate the pubs may be for drunken singalongs to "Last Christmas" (eugh) and big sitdown Christmas dinners. It doesn't matter how desperate people may be to see Granny and Aunt Flo and Cousin Vinny. It isn't safe. But it will be in the not to distant future.
If we had a responsible government whose credibility on these matters was clear, then it would be a simple message. You've had to put up with so many privations this year and we have to ask for one more. But 2021 will be better than 2020 - the vaccine is nearly hear and we will defeat Covid. But until then it Isn't Safe for you to meet up with friends and family unless you want them or possibly you to die before the vaccine rolls out.
Sadly we have wazzocks as a government so I won't be at all surprised to see Shagger announce something barely credible and a quarter baked, with knobbers like Jenrick sent onto the media to confuse it even further. The result? Too many people will go "fuck this" and January will be sobering.
Personally, now there is definitely a vaccine on the horizon I find myself becoming more risk averse.
If we had no prospect of a vaccine, I'd be shrugging my shoulders and thinking I'm going to catch it at some point anyway - but with a vaccine only months away why risk catching Covid now?
How stupid that would be.
Yes, that's just sensible though, if AZ reports 90%+ efficacy in a few days then everyone in the country should receive a vaccine by the end of April and serious restrictions should be lifted by the end of January. It doesn't seem worth it to take any risks at this point.
We will have to make a decision in early February on whether the Dart Music Festival is a go for May. I would love to think that we will have enough encouraging signs that we will be good to go. But, being realistic, a week of Christmas merriment paid for by five more weeks of lockdown leaves me thinking we just can't take the financial risk.
Our suppliers of things like stages etc might well not be there as functioning businesses in 2022. So we might already have had the last one. And I can sit back and think this will be what we lost....
Hmm... According to Hancock there is a good chance that the most vulnerable will be vaccinated by Christmas. If that is the case I would very much not want my 84 year old mother in law to spend Christmas on her own. My brother has a terminal condition. Again, he may well have been vaccinated by then.
IIUC the Pfizer vaccine needs an injection, then 2 weeks, then another injection, then another week, before you have immunity. So if you want the MiL to be immune by then, you'll need her to get her injection a week on Thursday at the latest.
Sadly, I'm certain that I won't be protected by vaccination by Christmas, even given my age. I'm also not at all certain that the requisite systems will be in place to provide vaccination to all who are 'due' it.
Yes I know Hancock has said everything will be in place, but that's all we've got to go von.
Re the two injections, yes for full effect some will need both injections, and it will take a few weeks. However, immunity is not an on/off system, and there will be some, mainly the younger, who would only need one shot, and gain immunity quickly. Re Christmas, I suspect the government are having to allow some relaxation, because they know it will happen anyway. For all our sakes we should try to be good as much as possible, but this has been a rubbish year, and for many Christmas is a valuable time.
Pfizer say that immunising using their vaccine requires two injection 2-3 weeks apart. Others don't, but Pfizer's is what we'll have first. Given the record systems we have, or ought to have, in GP surgeries, getting everyone done ought to be possible, but there are quite a lot of people who are not registered with a GP, or are registered with GP's away from their current homes. That situation may well have improved, of course, since I had anything to do with it, of course. If we were going to have some other arrangement, then there will have to be some system for identifying people who have had jab one, and ensuring they are called for jab two.
I'll wait. I fail to see how normal safety testing of any vaccine can be complete before end 2021, even though governments have signed blank cheques (and as usual, indemnified producers against legal claims).
Personally I would rather take my chances with the vaccine rather than the virus.
Not that I may get that choice, Isolating with covid positive Mrs Foxy. So far so good, but must have been exposed to viral Russian roulette, and another 10 days to go of it.
When will the treatment for those who can’t tie the vaccine be ready?
I just dont know how people can justify to themselves lying so blatantly when it will be so easily shown as a lie, as she must have known or been made aware of the past comments, which could be checked. I get justifying lying in order to win, but lying in a press conference wont contribute to winning, so why do it rather than just obfuscste? Lying for a perceived greater good, however dumb, is one thing, but just lying and looking a fool?
Donald Trump Jr to spend self-isolation "cleaning his guns". Let's hope he doesn't have any kind of accident, right?
Etching specific names on his ammunition with a Dremel?
He would be better employed spending some "quality" time with Kimberly Guilfoyle, while he still can. She doesn't look like the sort of girl who would be keen to wait around for his, in all likelihood, lengthy sentence to end.
Scottish Labour once again likely to get squeezed next year outside Glasgow and central Scotland, with Nationalists voting SNP and Unionists voting Tory
Hmm... According to Hancock there is a good chance that the most vulnerable will be vaccinated by Christmas. If that is the case I would very much not want my 84 year old mother in law to spend Christmas on her own. My brother has a terminal condition. Again, he may well have been vaccinated by then.
IIUC the Pfizer vaccine needs an injection, then 2 weeks, then another injection, then another week, before you have immunity. So if you want the MiL to be immune by then, you'll need her to get her injection a week on Thursday at the latest.
Sadly, I'm certain that I won't be protected by vaccination by Christmas, even given my age. I'm also not at all certain that the requisite systems will be in place to provide vaccination to all who are 'due' it.
Yes I know Hancock has said everything will be in place, but that's all we've got to go von.
Re the two injections, yes for full effect some will need both injections, and it will take a few weeks. However, immunity is not an on/off system, and there will be some, mainly the younger, who would only need one shot, and gain immunity quickly. Re Christmas, I suspect the government are having to allow some relaxation, because they know it will happen anyway. For all our sakes we should try to be good as much as possible, but this has been a rubbish year, and for many Christmas is a valuable time.
Pfizer say that immunising using their vaccine requires two injection 2-3 weeks apart. Others don't, but Pfizer's is what we'll have first. Given the record systems we have, or ought to have, in GP surgeries, getting everyone done ought to be possible, but there are quite a lot of people who are not registered with a GP, or are registered with GP's away from their current homes. That situation may well have improved, of course, since I had anything to do with it, of course. If we were going to have some other arrangement, then there will have to be some system for identifying people who have had jab one, and ensuring they are called for jab two.
I'll wait. I fail to see how normal safety testing of any vaccine can be complete before end 2021, even though governments have signed blank cheques (and as usual, indemnified producers against legal claims).
Personally I would rather take my chances with the vaccine rather than the virus.
Not that I may get that choice, Isolating with covid positive Mrs Foxy. So far so good, but must have been exposed to viral Russian roulette, and another 10 days to go of it.
When will the treatment for those who can’t tie the vaccine be ready?
Aiui everyone over 18 is eligible and Pfizer are planning a new trial for 13-17 year olds in the new year. I think even immunodeficient people can take the vaccine.
Scottish Labour once again likely to get squeezed next year outside Glasgow and central Scotland, with Nationalists voting SNP and Unionists voting Tory
Cant we all celebrate orthodox Christmas instead or something?
Good thought. One of my late grandfather's (well they both are, of course) birthday was Jan 6th, so his large family used to celebrate Christmas then, so that the workers on the mixed farm he ran could have Christmas Day off and the family would do all the necessary. This was about 100-120 years ago!
Deep thought: Maybe Boris plans to Get Brexit Done then resign in the New Year, that would explain him not caring much who gets infected over Christmas.
Scottish Labour once again likely to get squeezed next year outside Glasgow and central Scotland, with Nationalists voting SNP and Unionists voting Tory
Xmas Day is a great hooning day due the sparsity of traffic and cops so I'll be taking the Fireblade for a rip. If I don't materialise on the 26th you'll know I rolled a 2.
I find driving on Christmas Day a pretty frightening experience, as so many other drivers are drunk,
I drove my eldest to Heathrow on a Christmas Day once as he was flying back to New Zealand
Christmas is a load of old wank at the best of times. Our lives are ordered by the approach of the next celebration, and each celebration makes us spend money we don't have on stuff we don't need or really even want. On Boxing Day there will be Easter eggs on supermarket shelves. Once Easter is out the way, it'll be holidays, then whatever celebration the marketing departments try to foist on us next. Chuck in Comic Relief and Children in Need. In September we have to get ready for Halloween, but you'll find mince pies and chocolate reindeer on the shelves as well. A quick sprint to Bonfire Night, Poppy Wearing, maybe a bit of Diwali and then It's Christmaaaaas! Somebody shoot me.
Narnia under the White Witch, where it was always winter but never Christmas, sounds unimprovable to me.
Donald Trump has just gone from 20/1 to 25/1 on Betfair in just the last 10mins and there was £thousands available to lay.
Matched, or withdrawn unmatched?
Dunno could be, beginning to move back again now, maybe there's a high roller who cancelled his bets because he's having a restful Sunday away from it.
Nothing new on ABC breaking news website, but it highlights a problem, if Donald Trump wakes up this morning has a row with his missus and thinks 'sod it, I've had enough of this now, I'm off' then people not paying attention will be stuffed.
Donald Trump has just gone from 20/1 to 25/1 on Betfair in just the last 10mins and there was £thousands available to lay.
Matched, or withdrawn unmatched?
Dunno could be, beginning to move back again now, maybe there's a high roller who cancelled his bets because he's having a restful Sunday away from it.
Nothing new on ABC breaking news website, but it highlights a problem, if Donald Trump wakes up this morning has a row with his missus and thinks 'sod it, I've had enough of this now, I'm off' then people not paying attention will be stuffed.
To be honest, anyone backing Trump is already stuffed. Doesn't matter whether he has a domestic, a change of heart, or a heart attack. He's already lost the election.
Christmas has been ruined for years what with things like the rampant commercialisation and people thinking Die Hard is a Christmas film.
Without wanting to perpetuate the Daily Mail/Farage myth that Muslims want to cancel Christmas, I'm sure delaying Christmas to next summer will be fine, it used to be in the summer did it not, plus there's this precedent.
Donald Trump has just gone from 20/1 to 25/1 on Betfair in just the last 10mins and there was £thousands available to lay.
Matched, or withdrawn unmatched?
Dunno could be, beginning to move back again now, maybe there's a high roller who cancelled his bets because he's having a restful Sunday away from it.
Nothing new on ABC breaking news website, but it highlights a problem, if Donald Trump wakes up this morning has a row with his missus and thinks 'sod it, I've had enough of this now, I'm off' then people not paying attention will be stuffed.
To be honest, anyone backing Trump is already stuffed. Doesn't matter whether he has a domestic, a change of heart, or a heart attack. He's already lost the election.
"The Trump campaign’s legal efforts to challenge election results in Pennsylvania met with a sharp defeat Saturday night, and some fellow Republicans began to signal their desire to move on, acknowledging that the president had lost both the state and his bid for re-election"
Hmm... According to Hancock there is a good chance that the most vulnerable will be vaccinated by Christmas. If that is the case I would very much not want my 84 year old mother in law to spend Christmas on her own. My brother has a terminal condition. Again, he may well have been vaccinated by then.
IIUC the Pfizer vaccine needs an injection, then 2 weeks, then another injection, then another week, before you have immunity. So if you want the MiL to be immune by then, you'll need her to get her injection a week on Thursday at the latest.
Sadly, I'm certain that I won't be protected by vaccination by Christmas, even given my age. I'm also not at all certain that the requisite systems will be in place to provide vaccination to all who are 'due' it.
Yes I know Hancock has said everything will be in place, but that's all we've got to go von.
Re the two injections, yes for full effect some will need both injections, and it will take a few weeks. However, immunity is not an on/off system, and there will be some, mainly the younger, who would only need one shot, and gain immunity quickly. Re Christmas, I suspect the government are having to allow some relaxation, because they know it will happen anyway. For all our sakes we should try to be good as much as possible, but this has been a rubbish year, and for many Christmas is a valuable time.
Pfizer say that immunising using their vaccine requires two injection 2-3 weeks apart. Others don't, but Pfizer's is what we'll have first. Given the record systems we have, or ought to have, in GP surgeries, getting everyone done ought to be possible, but there are quite a lot of people who are not registered with a GP, or are registered with GP's away from their current homes. That situation may well have improved, of course, since I had anything to do with it, of course. If we were going to have some other arrangement, then there will have to be some system for identifying people who have had jab one, and ensuring they are called for jab two.
I'll wait. I fail to see how normal safety testing of any vaccine can be complete before end 2021, even though governments have signed blank cheques (and as usual, indemnified producers against legal claims).
Personally I would rather take my chances with the vaccine rather than the virus.
Not that I may get that choice, Isolating with covid positive Mrs Foxy. So far so good, but must have been exposed to viral Russian roulette, and another 10 days to go of it.
When will the treatment for those who can’t tie the vaccine be ready?
Trial starting this week, I think, so probably a few months.
Don't they have libel and slander laws in America?
Yes, but they’re much weaker than ours. As a rough rule of thumb, you can say what you like about someone as long as it’s not overtly motivated by malice, and as long as you do not falsely attribute words or phrases to them.
Deep thought: Maybe Boris plans to Get Brexit Done then resign in the New Year, that would explain him not caring much who gets infected over Christmas.
I don't think that would explain it at all. He'd still be blamed for a surge in cases, and it would further damage his reputation.
I actually think this actually more suggests Johnson is intending to stay and is worried that "spoiling" Xmas for people would run into a lot of resistence among the public and his own MPs. Similarly, the recent Number 10 internal shenanigans strongly suggests he's in it for the longer run - why bother with it if you're on your way out?
What an incredibly patronising article from this author. He says 'If you’re young enough, maybe you have your grandparents in your sights'. Assuming the grandparents are aged 70 plus more than 9 in 10 would survive a bout of this infection even if someone was stupid enough to repeatedly get close to them. If they're younger the odds of this disease fall dramatically. The cost of lockdowns is greater, much greater than the effects of this disease.
Christmas is a load of old wank at the best of times. Our lives are ordered by the approach of the next celebration, and each celebration makes us spend money we don't have on stuff we don't need or really even want. On Boxing Day there will be Easter eggs on supermarket shelves. Once Easter is out the way, it'll be holidays, then whatever celebration the marketing departments try to foist on us next. Chuck in Comic Relief and Children in Need. In September we have to get ready for Halloween, but you'll find mince pies and chocolate reindeer on the shelves as well. A quick sprint to Bonfire Night, Poppy Wearing, maybe a bit of Diwali and then It's Christmaaaaas! Somebody shoot me.
Narnia under the White Witch, where it was always winter but never Christmas, sounds unimprovable to me.
Xmas Day is a great hooning day due the sparsity of traffic and cops so I'll be taking the Fireblade for a rip. If I don't materialise on the 26th you'll know I rolled a 2.
I find driving on Christmas Day a pretty frightening experience, as so many other drivers are drunk,
I drove my eldest to Heathrow on a Christmas Day once as he was flying back to New Zealand
The roads were absolutely empty
I once drove from Birmingham to Newcastle on Boxing Day. A1 empty. It was a real joy.
I just dont know how people can justify to themselves lying so blatantly when it will be so easily shown as a lie, as she must have known or been made aware of the past comments, which could be checked. I get justifying lying in order to win, but lying in a press conference wont contribute to winning, so why do it rather than just obfuscste? Lying for a perceived greater good, however dumb, is one thing, but just lying and looking a fool?
Have some goddamn self respect.
I think that’s part of the point of it. It’s not to convince people of something (although it provides a crutch for certain people to cling to as “the truth”), but as a display of loyalty. She will hold the line given to her, regardless of how indefensible it is. She will be loyal to her leader, even if it sacrifices her own self-respect.
It’s a display. Posturing. Showing off her reliability to those she needs to impress.
Christmas has been ruined for years what with things like the rampant commercialisation and people thinking Die Hard is a Christmas film.
Without wanting to perpetuate the Daily Mail/Farage myth that Muslims want to cancel Christmas, I'm sure delaying Christmas to next summer will be fine, it used to be in the summer did it not, plus there's this precedent.
You just know an idea is not going to hit the feelgood spot when you learn it derives from Goethe's The Sorrows of Young Werther.
My best Christmas was spent camping in the desert a bit North of Khartoum. It feels very different in 35 centigrade, and the knowledge that singing Oh Little Town of Bethlehem probably carries a prison sentence.
Christmas has been ruined for years what with things like the rampant commercialisation and people thinking Die Hard is a Christmas film.
Without wanting to perpetuate the Daily Mail/Farage myth that Muslims want to cancel Christmas, I'm sure delaying Christmas to next summer will be fine, it used to be in the summer did it not, plus there's this precedent.
Die Hard is a Christmas film. My old watch used to insist on Christmas jumpers if we were on duty over the 25th/26th. They'd have jumpers with flashing reindeer noses, and sparkly snowmen. Vomit inducing. Me? I had a grey sweatshirt with "Now I have a machine gun Ho! Ho! Ho!" on it in red. Now that's Christmas!
I just dont know how people can justify to themselves lying so blatantly when it will be so easily shown as a lie, as she must have known or been made aware of the past comments, which could be checked. I get justifying lying in order to win, but lying in a press conference wont contribute to winning, so why do it rather than just obfuscste? Lying for a perceived greater good, however dumb, is one thing, but just lying and looking a fool?
Have some goddamn self respect.
I think that’s part of the point of it. It’s not to convince people of something (although it provides a crutch for certain people to cling to as “the truth”), but as a display of loyalty. She will hold the line given to her, regardless of how indefensible it is. She will be loyal to her leader, even if it sacrifices her own self-respect.
It’s a display. Posturing. Showing off her reliability to those she needs to impress.
Christmas has been ruined for years what with things like the rampant commercialisation and people thinking Die Hard is a Christmas film.
Without wanting to perpetuate the Daily Mail/Farage myth that Muslims want to cancel Christmas, I'm sure delaying Christmas to next summer will be fine, it used to be in the summer did it not, plus there's this precedent.
You just know an idea is not going to hit the feelgood spot when you learn it derives from Goethe's The Sorrows of Young Werther.
My best Christmas was spent camping in the desert a bit North of Khartoum. It feels very different in 35 centigrade, and the knowledge that singing Oh Little Town of Bethlehem probably carries a prison sentence.
I have enjoyed Christmas in Brugge. Bars and restaurants are open and public transport is running. You are actually allowed to enjoy yourself, unlike the 2 and a bit day shutdown in the UK.
Christmas has been ruined for years what with things like the rampant commercialisation and people thinking Die Hard is a Christmas film.
Without wanting to perpetuate the Daily Mail/Farage myth that Muslims want to cancel Christmas, I'm sure delaying Christmas to next summer will be fine, it used to be in the summer did it not, plus there's this precedent.
Die Hard is a Christmas film. My old watch used to insist on Christmas jumpers if we were on duty over the 25th/26th. They'd have jumpers with flashing reindeer noses, and sparkly snowmen. Vomit inducing. Me? I had a grey sweatshirt with "Now I have a machine gun Ho! Ho! Ho!" on it in red. Now that's Christmas!
Christmas has been ruined for years what with things like the rampant commercialisation and people thinking Die Hard is a Christmas film.
Without wanting to perpetuate the Daily Mail/Farage myth that Muslims want to cancel Christmas, I'm sure delaying Christmas to next summer will be fine, it used to be in the summer did it not, plus there's this precedent.
Die Hard is a Christmas film. My old watch used to insist on Christmas jumpers if we were on duty over the 25th/26th. They'd have jumpers with flashing reindeer noses, and sparkly snowmen. Vomit inducing. Me? I had a grey sweatshirt with "Now I have a machine gun Ho! Ho! Ho!" on it in red. Now that's Christmas!
Uh-oh, here we go....
I know. It's all wrong. It should be "HO - HO - HO", not "Ho! Ho! Ho!"
Christmas has been ruined for years what with things like the rampant commercialisation and people thinking Die Hard is a Christmas film.
Without wanting to perpetuate the Daily Mail/Farage myth that Muslims want to cancel Christmas, I'm sure delaying Christmas to next summer will be fine, it used to be in the summer did it not, plus there's this precedent.
Die Hard is a Christmas film. My old watch used to insist on Christmas jumpers if we were on duty over the 25th/26th. They'd have jumpers with flashing reindeer noses, and sparkly snowmen. Vomit inducing. Me? I had a grey sweatshirt with "Now I have a machine gun Ho! Ho! Ho!" on it in red. Now that's Christmas!
Uh-oh, here we go....
I know. It's all wrong. It should be "HO - HO - HO", not "Ho! Ho! Ho!"
It was 10 quid from ebay, and that was 10 quid more than I wanted to pay!
Christmas has been ruined for years what with things like the rampant commercialisation and people thinking Die Hard is a Christmas film.
Without wanting to perpetuate the Daily Mail/Farage myth that Muslims want to cancel Christmas, I'm sure delaying Christmas to next summer will be fine, it used to be in the summer did it not, plus there's this precedent.
Donald Trump has just gone from 20/1 to 25/1 on Betfair in just the last 10mins and there was £thousands available to lay.
Matched, or withdrawn unmatched?
Dunno could be, beginning to move back again now, maybe there's a high roller who cancelled his bets because he's having a restful Sunday away from it.
Nothing new on ABC breaking news website, but it highlights a problem, if Donald Trump wakes up this morning has a row with his missus and thinks 'sod it, I've had enough of this now, I'm off' then people not paying attention will be stuffed.
To be honest, anyone backing Trump is already stuffed. Doesn't matter whether he has a domestic, a change of heart, or a heart attack. He's already lost the election.
Yes but one of the things people do on betting exchanges, when there's this sort of stalemate is to keep backing and laying to corner a profit, that's why there appears to be nearly £900million staked, most of it is the same money going backwards and forwards.
For example, I offer to back Trump for £50 but I want 22/1 after a while someone lays it, so then I offer 21/1 about Trump but I only put up £48. If someone takes it, I've cornered £2 before commission.
You could keep doing this over and over again, but if prices change suddenly because of events, you could be caught holding the baby if you're not careful.
Christmas has been ruined for years what with things like the rampant commercialisation and people thinking Die Hard is a Christmas film.
Without wanting to perpetuate the Daily Mail/Farage myth that Muslims want to cancel Christmas, I'm sure delaying Christmas to next summer will be fine, it used to be in the summer did it not, plus there's this precedent.
Die Hard is a Christmas film. My old watch used to insist on Christmas jumpers if we were on duty over the 25th/26th. They'd have jumpers with flashing reindeer noses, and sparkly snowmen. Vomit inducing. Me? I had a grey sweatshirt with "Now I have a machine gun Ho! Ho! Ho!" on it in red. Now that's Christmas!
Uh-oh, here we go....
I know. It's all wrong. It should be "HO - HO - HO", not "Ho! Ho! Ho!"
Christmas has been ruined for years what with things like the rampant commercialisation and people thinking Die Hard is a Christmas film.
Without wanting to perpetuate the Daily Mail/Farage myth that Muslims want to cancel Christmas, I'm sure delaying Christmas to next summer will be fine, it used to be in the summer did it not, plus there's this precedent.
Die Hard is a Christmas film. My old watch used to insist on Christmas jumpers if we were on duty over the 25th/26th. They'd have jumpers with flashing reindeer noses, and sparkly snowmen. Vomit inducing. Me? I had a grey sweatshirt with "Now I have a machine gun Ho! Ho! Ho!" on it in red. Now that's Christmas!
Uh-oh, here we go....
I know. It's all wrong. It should be "HO - HO - HO", not "Ho! Ho! Ho!"
It was 10 quid from ebay, and that was 10 quid more than I wanted to pay!
I'm just pulling your leg. Trying to pretend that was the controversial bit of your post rather than the fact that some people -- sad, weird, bitter people -- refuse to acknowledge that Die Hard is a Christmas movie.
Christmas has been ruined for years what with things like the rampant commercialisation and people thinking Die Hard is a Christmas film.
Without wanting to perpetuate the Daily Mail/Farage myth that Muslims want to cancel Christmas, I'm sure delaying Christmas to next summer will be fine, it used to be in the summer did it not, plus there's this precedent.
Die Hard is a Christmas film. My old watch used to insist on Christmas jumpers if we were on duty over the 25th/26th. They'd have jumpers with flashing reindeer noses, and sparkly snowmen. Vomit inducing. Me? I had a grey sweatshirt with "Now I have a machine gun Ho! Ho! Ho!" on it in red. Now that's Christmas!
Uh-oh, here we go....
I know. It's all wrong. It should be "HO - HO - HO", not "Ho! Ho! Ho!"
Although this case was initiated less than two weeks ago, it has already developed its own tortured procedural history. Plaintiffs have made multiple attempts at amending the pleadings, and have had attorneys both appear and withdraw in a matter of seventy-two hours. There have been at least two perceived discovery disputes, one oral argument, and a rude and ill-conceived voicemail which distracted the Court’s attention from the significant issues at hand.
What an incredibly patronising article from this author. He says 'If you’re young enough, maybe you have your grandparents in your sights'. Assuming the grandparents are aged 70 plus more than 9 in 10 would survive a bout of this infection even if someone was stupid enough to repeatedly get close to them. If they're younger the odds of this disease fall dramatically. The cost of lockdowns is greater, much greater than the effects of this disease.
The restrictions are really aimed at keeping numbers of cases under control, across the population. Not at individual risk which remains a personal responsibility. I have a heart condition that allegedly makes me higher risk and at 55 I'm edging into the higher risk age category. But I have been out and about, went on holiday to NL, visit pubs, and making my own choice about which are safe (and on some occasions poking my nose through the door and walking away). Life is for living, not simply existing. I hate Christmas but if a family Christmas is one of the things you live for, then maybe that risk is worthwhile. Once you are, say, 80 you probably take a more sanguine view of life anyway. My mum survived the V-weapon onslaught for example.
Donald Trump has just gone from 20/1 to 25/1 on Betfair in just the last 10mins and there was £thousands available to lay.
Matched, or withdrawn unmatched?
Dunno could be, beginning to move back again now, maybe there's a high roller who cancelled his bets because he's having a restful Sunday away from it.
Nothing new on ABC breaking news website, but it highlights a problem, if Donald Trump wakes up this morning has a row with his missus and thinks 'sod it, I've had enough of this now, I'm off' then people not paying attention will be stuffed.
To be honest, anyone backing Trump is already stuffed. Doesn't matter whether he has a domestic, a change of heart, or a heart attack. He's already lost the election.
Yes but one of the things people do on betting exchanges, when there's this sort of stalemate is to keep backing and laying to corner a profit, that's why there appears to be nearly £900million staked, most of it is the same money going backwards and forwards.
For example, I offer to back Trump for £50 but I want 22/1 after a while someone lays it, so then I offer 21/1 about Trump but I only put up £48. If someone takes it, I've cornered £2 before commission.
You could keep doing this over and over again, but if prices change suddenly because of events, you could be caught holding the baby if you're not careful.
Sure, I get that, but there's much greater profit to be had in backing the outcome that's guaranteed to win. It's not often you can truly say that about an event, but since this one has already finished, and Betfair have (for no good reason) failed to close the market, this is an example. Biden has won. You can fiddle around with your 23s and 22s, but laying Trump or backing Biden is free money.
On topic. MASQUE OF THE RED DEATH Who are you planning to kill this Christmas?
WTF! 😟
The only thing I would add, the government are making a massive political mistake if they return to tiers and not same Dec Jan for everyone regardless of local difficulties explained by the science.
“my good people of Suffolk, Chipping Norton, London, my government grants you Fun time, tiers to shop and meet, but for those of you in Redcar, Darlington, Stockton, masque of the red death”.
The forensic stats and science will be forgotten. The political optics wont on a “Maggie thatcher milk snatcher” scale.
Although this case was initiated less than two weeks ago, it has already developed its own tortured procedural history. Plaintiffs have made multiple attempts at amending the pleadings, and have had attorneys both appear and withdraw in a matter of seventy-two hours. There have been at least two perceived discovery disputes, one oral argument, and a rude and ill-conceived voicemail which distracted the Court’s attention from the significant issues at hand.
Xmas Day is a great hooning day due the sparsity of traffic and cops so I'll be taking the Fireblade for a rip. If I don't materialise on the 26th you'll know I rolled a 2.
I find driving on Christmas Day a pretty frightening experience, as so many other drivers are drunk,
I drove my eldest to Heathrow on a Christmas Day once as he was flying back to New Zealand
The roads were absolutely empty
I once drove from Birmingham to Newcastle on Boxing Day. A1 empty. It was a real joy.
The only traffic other than cars is milk tankers. The cows don't stop for Christmas!
Don't they have libel and slander laws in America?
All the Republicans who matter will go along with this if they think it has a chance of succeeding. Does anybody think Mitch McConnell would die on a cross to save American democracy?
Although Donald Trump and Mitch McConnell dying, on crosses or otherwise, might be very helpful to American democracy right now.
Can you see Biden sticking Pelosi on one ?
Well, not really. The physical effort involved would be somewhat beyond the average 77 year old.
yeah but shes almost 81 so she wont put up a struggle.
My wife has just turned 81 and she is as feisty as ever when necessary
She has a lot to put up with?
Yes !!!
It must be tough for her, your spending the whole year bending her ear about how you're never going to eat chicken again, then when the anniversary comes along you book a table at Nando's.
I have never been to Nando's and never said I am not going to eat chicken
Scottish Labour once again likely to get squeezed next year outside Glasgow and central Scotland, with Nationalists voting SNP and Unionists voting Tory
Christmas is a load of old wank at the best of times. Our lives are ordered by the approach of the next celebration, and each celebration makes us spend money we don't have on stuff we don't need or really even want. On Boxing Day there will be Easter eggs on supermarket shelves. Once Easter is out the way, it'll be holidays, then whatever celebration the marketing departments try to foist on us next. Chuck in Comic Relief and Children in Need. In September we have to get ready for Halloween, but you'll find mince pies and chocolate reindeer on the shelves as well. A quick sprint to Bonfire Night, Poppy Wearing, maybe a bit of Diwali and then It's Christmaaaaas! Somebody shoot me.
Don't they have libel and slander laws in America?
All the Republicans who matter will go along with this if they think it has a chance of succeeding. Does anybody think Mitch McConnell would die on a cross to save American democracy?
Although Donald Trump and Mitch McConnell dying, on crosses or otherwise, might be very helpful to American democracy right now.
Can you see Biden sticking Pelosi on one ?
Well, not really. The physical effort involved would be somewhat beyond the average 77 year old.
yeah but shes almost 81 so she wont put up a struggle.
My wife has just turned 81 and she is as feisty as ever when necessary
She has a lot to put up with?
Yes !!!
It must be tough for her, your spending the whole year bending her ear about how you're never going to eat chicken again, then when the anniversary comes along you book a table at Nando's.
I have never been to Nando's and never said I am not going to eat chicken
Their chicken is not bad at all, especially washed down with 8 bottles of beer. Have been once in Dublin and it was good if very simple.
Nandos... was a metaphor
I know but as Big G is unlikely to have been in one I was just saying they were a decent chicken shack.
Although this case was initiated less than two weeks ago, it has already developed its own tortured procedural history. Plaintiffs have made multiple attempts at amending the pleadings, and have had attorneys both appear and withdraw in a matter of seventy-two hours. There have been at least two perceived discovery disputes, one oral argument, and a rude and ill-conceived voicemail which distracted the Court’s attention from the significant issues at hand.
Donald Trump has just gone from 20/1 to 25/1 on Betfair in just the last 10mins and there was £thousands available to lay.
Some previously-wealthy person finally sobered up after a 10-day binge, logged into their betfair account and said OMG what did I do
The judge in the Pennsylvania case handed Giuliani and his team their asses. With prejudice.
Right but that was like 15 hours ago, DeClare is talking about the price moving just now.
Those who had money on Trump are perhaps not that quick on the uptake ? The kicking out of the last suit which might have made a difference (utterly implausible though it was) is certainly a significant event.
And the judgment was excoriating in terms that anyone can understand.
Christmas has been ruined for years what with things like the rampant commercialisation and people thinking Die Hard is a Christmas film.
Without wanting to perpetuate the Daily Mail/Farage myth that Muslims want to cancel Christmas, I'm sure delaying Christmas to next summer will be fine, it used to be in the summer did it not, plus there's this precedent.
Die Hard is a Christmas film. My old watch used to insist on Christmas jumpers if we were on duty over the 25th/26th. They'd have jumpers with flashing reindeer noses, and sparkly snowmen. Vomit inducing. Me? I had a grey sweatshirt with "Now I have a machine gun Ho! Ho! Ho!" on it in red. Now that's Christmas!
Uh-oh, here we go....
I know. It's all wrong. It should be "HO - HO - HO", not "Ho! Ho! Ho!"
Don't they have libel and slander laws in America?
All the Republicans who matter will go along with this if they think it has a chance of succeeding. Does anybody think Mitch McConnell would die on a cross to save American democracy?
Although Donald Trump and Mitch McConnell dying, on crosses or otherwise, might be very helpful to American democracy right now.
Can you see Biden sticking Pelosi on one ?
Well, not really. The physical effort involved would be somewhat beyond the average 77 year old.
yeah but shes almost 81 so she wont put up a struggle.
My wife has just turned 81 and she is as feisty as ever when necessary
She has a lot to put up with?
Yes !!!
It must be tough for her, your spending the whole year bending her ear about how you're never going to eat chicken again, then when the anniversary comes along you book a table at Nando's.
I have never been to Nando's and never said I am not going to eat chicken
Something tells me this one flew past you....
Obviously that chicken still had a bit of life in it...
Don't they have libel and slander laws in America?
All the Republicans who matter will go along with this if they think it has a chance of succeeding. Does anybody think Mitch McConnell would die on a cross to save American democracy?
Although Donald Trump and Mitch McConnell dying, on crosses or otherwise, might be very helpful to American democracy right now.
Can you see Biden sticking Pelosi on one ?
Well, not really. The physical effort involved would be somewhat beyond the average 77 year old.
yeah but shes almost 81 so she wont put up a struggle.
My wife has just turned 81 and she is as feisty as ever when necessary
She has a lot to put up with?
Yes !!!
It must be tough for her, your spending the whole year bending her ear about how you're never going to eat chicken again, then when the anniversary comes along you book a table at Nando's.
I have never been to Nando's and never said I am not going to eat chicken
Something tells me this one flew past you....
Obviously that chicken still had a bit of life in it...
Deep thought: Maybe Boris plans to Get Brexit Done then resign in the New Year, that would explain him not caring much who gets infected over Christmas.
I don't think that would explain it at all. He'd still be blamed for a surge in cases, and it would further damage his reputation.
I actually think this actually more suggests Johnson is intending to stay and is worried that "spoiling" Xmas for people would run into a lot of resistence among the public and his own MPs. Similarly, the recent Number 10 internal shenanigans strongly suggests he's in it for the longer run - why bother with it if you're on your way out?
Given what we know of the Johnson temperament, I can't imagine that he's planning anything. He wants to be PM basically forever, so I guess he sort of assumes that is what is going to happen. And since nobody in their right mind would want to take over in 2021, he can continue to bumble along.
On a related note, if IDS is already stiffening his sinews against any sort of deal with the EU, and Rishi is putting on his best "not bovvered" face, how does the PM get any sort of deal through? Or does he have to let late winter be grim first?
Why should organisations deal with bullying and harassment? Well this is where it goes if they don't. Bad safety outcomes (in this case contributing to a child's death) and reputational damage. Yet this government continues to defend the indefensible.
Mr. Doethur, victory wine is a great line, reads like a skaldic kenning.
He's trying to Klingon to his victory.
Did you see yesterday that a Labour MP compared Jeremy Corbyn to Hannibal, finally some Corbynites have realised a couple of lucky victories in battle ain't worth shit if you lose war so badly you get wiped out.
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Donald Trump Jr to spend self-isolation "cleaning his guns". Let's hope he doesn't have any kind of accident, right?
In response to the header, are people really being irrational, though? For a very large majority, it's not a disease that threatens them. One can argue that is selfish, but that's a different argument.
I don't go in for ancient wisdom,
I don't believe just because ideas are tenacious
it means that they're worthy.
It was a good one.
Not that I may get that choice, Isolating with covid positive Mrs Foxy. So far so good, but must have been exposed to viral Russian roulette, and another 10 days to go of it.
I wonder how many copies they received back with the note ‘you first’, or something less polite. Perhaps it was just me.
Our suppliers of things like stages etc might well not be there as functioning businesses in 2022. So we might already have had the last one. And I can sit back and think this will be what we lost....
https://www.dartmusicfestival.co.uk/?utm_source=Business news subscribers&utm_campaign=a88aee3e7f-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2019_06_05_08_59_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_4788e290db-a88aee3e7f-141813397&mc_cid=a88aee3e7f&mc_eid=8f50bbd53e&fbclid=IwAR1hl0qzPiz_w-zapuYRgDQUco9U7-OyZCksCnUMBeg7n1rukD42VfEAHyY
https://twitter.com/MPIainDS/status/1330348939057516546?s=20
Adonis on the other side refusing to accept anything but a BINO Deal
https://twitter.com/Andrew_Adonis/status/1330420896130011138?s=20
Montie gets it right
https://twitter.com/montie/status/1330426424323403776?s=20
Donald Trump has just gone from 20/1 to 25/1 on Betfair in just the last 10mins and there was £thousands available to lay.
Have some goddamn self respect.
He would be better employed spending some "quality" time with Kimberly Guilfoyle, while he still can. She doesn't look like the sort of girl who would be keen to wait around for his, in all likelihood, lengthy sentence to end.
https://twitter.com/ScotTories/status/1330443847902629888?s=20
The incoming deal, if agreed, might be bad, but his view on it can be disregarded given that reasoning.
The roads were absolutely empty
With prejudice.
But he remains poor value to back at any price, whatever the fantasists say - if you burn the money, at least it'll keep you warm.
Nothing new on ABC breaking news website, but it highlights a problem, if Donald Trump wakes up this morning has a row with his missus and thinks 'sod it, I've had enough of this now, I'm off' then people not paying attention will be stuffed.
On the 1st day of Christmas Boris gave to me, a lockdown end to the north east.
And so on. I'm not doing the whole song
Without wanting to perpetuate the Daily Mail/Farage myth that Muslims want to cancel Christmas, I'm sure delaying Christmas to next summer will be fine, it used to be in the summer did it not, plus there's this precedent.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_in_July
NYTimes
No need to click, it's all in the url.
https://twitter.com/JennaEllisEsq/status/1330346436760903682
I actually think this actually more suggests Johnson is intending to stay and is worried that "spoiling" Xmas for people would run into a lot of resistence among the public and his own MPs. Similarly, the recent Number 10 internal shenanigans strongly suggests he's in it for the longer run - why bother with it if you're on your way out?
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/matt-hancock-gave-key-covid-role-to-lobbyist-pal-tppg75t5c
If Sunak needs the money he could charge a tax rate of 100% on all these lobbyists and the Ministers they supposedly “advise”.
It’s not to convince people of something (although it provides a crutch for certain people to cling to as “the truth”), but as a display of loyalty. She will hold the line given to her, regardless of how indefensible it is. She will be loyal to her leader, even if it sacrifices her own self-respect.
It’s a display. Posturing. Showing off her reliability to those she needs to impress.
My best Christmas was spent camping in the desert a bit North of Khartoum. It feels very different in 35 centigrade, and the knowledge that singing Oh Little Town of Bethlehem probably carries a prison sentence.
Now that's Christmas!
It should be "HO - HO - HO", not "Ho! Ho! Ho!"
The government is sending us all a hand grenade and inviting us to pull out the pin.
For example, I offer to back Trump for £50 but I want 22/1 after a while someone lays it, so then I offer 21/1 about Trump but I only put up £48. If someone takes it, I've cornered £2 before commission.
You could keep doing this over and over again, but if prices change suddenly because of events, you could be caught holding the baby if you're not careful.
Just a taster:
Although this case was initiated less than two weeks ago, it has already
developed its own tortured procedural history. Plaintiffs have made multiple
attempts at amending the pleadings, and have had attorneys both appear and
withdraw in a matter of seventy-two hours. There have been at least two perceived
discovery disputes, one oral argument, and a rude and ill-conceived voicemail
which distracted the Court’s attention from the significant issues at hand.
Yet trump has none.
Biden has won. You can fiddle around with your 23s and 22s, but laying Trump or backing Biden is free money.
What could be more Christmassy?
WTF! 😟
The only thing I would add, the government are making a massive political mistake if they return to tiers and not same Dec Jan for everyone regardless of local difficulties explained by the science.
“my good people of Suffolk, Chipping Norton, London, my government grants you Fun time, tiers to shop and meet, but for those of you in Redcar, Darlington, Stockton, masque of the red death”.
The forensic stats and science will be forgotten. The political optics wont on a “Maggie thatcher milk snatcher” scale.
https://twitter.com/ChrisMegerian/status/1330321841165111299
https://www.opinium.com/resource-center/uk-voting-intention-19th-november-2020/
That's the way the economy goes
The kicking out of the last suit which might have made a difference (utterly implausible though it was) is certainly a significant event.
And the judgment was excoriating in terms that anyone can understand.
On a related note, if IDS is already stiffening his sinews against any sort of deal with the EU, and Rishi is putting on his best "not bovvered" face, how does the PM get any sort of deal through? Or does he have to let late winter be grim first?
https://twitter.com/Mothers_Inst_UK/status/1330146382666227712?s=19
https://twitter.com/Mendelpol/status/1330105871691632641