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  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,103
    edited November 2020
    RobD said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Foxy said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Perhaps the media will start running pieces - can I be reinfected with coronavirus, should I self isolate?

    From the beginning self isolation has been required even if someone has had it before.
    How high is the incidence of reinfection? I had a positive antibodies result in July. Although I donated blood plasma in September, the antibody level was too low to be of use for trial purposes.
    Probably fairly rare. There are around 20 cases recorded in the literature, confirmed to be a second infection on serology. There must be many more without that level of evidence, but compared to the millions of worldwide cases it must be fairly rare.
    Farage suggests Boris gets tested tomorrow and goes back to work if it’s negative. Why doesn’t he do this rather than self isolate for however long it is?
    Is there even a mechanism for that in test and trace?
    For what? Having a test?
    Yeah, and skipping the rest of your isolation.
    No. I think because the test won't catch you if you are infected but not yet symptomatic.
    That's what I thought too. If there's no mechanism for it, he's not going to skip it. Can you imagine the headlines if they introduced a new scheme to avoid isolation just as the PM was about to need it?
    Remember the outrage when it was revealed Prince Charles, Boris and a few other VVIPs got tests straight away in the spring. Totally outrageous that the PM should jump the queue ahead of the plebs was the media response.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935
    isam said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Foxy said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Perhaps the media will start running pieces - can I be reinfected with coronavirus, should I self isolate?

    From the beginning self isolation has been required even if someone has had it before.
    How high is the incidence of reinfection? I had a positive antibodies result in July. Although I donated blood plasma in September, the antibody level was too low to be of use for trial purposes.
    Probably fairly rare. There are around 20 cases recorded in the literature, confirmed to be a second infection on serology. There must be many more without that level of evidence, but compared to the millions of worldwide cases it must be fairly rare.
    Farage suggests Boris gets tested tomorrow and goes back to work if it’s negative. Why doesn’t he do this rather than self isolate for however long it is?
    Is there even a mechanism for that in test and trace?
    For what? Having a test?
    Yeah, and skipping the rest of your isolation.
    No. I think because the test won't catch you if you are infected but not yet symptomatic.
    Loads of people have tested positive with no symptoms haven’t they?
    The difficulty is you may be infected but still get a negative on the test if it is too early on.
  • Roy_G_Biv said:

    Roy_G_Biv said:

    Roy_G_Biv said:

    Roy_G_Biv said:

    Jonathan said:

    Charles said:

    Eh? Why would Bozza have to self isolate? He’s already had covid (and recovered).

    Because it will be too difficult to explain to the media
    Even people who have had it can catch it again and can pass it on to others too

    What needs explaining to the media?
    Boris has hard week. He just fancies a little isolation. I can’t say I blame him.
    But now he's going to be stuck at home with NutNut & The Spawn. It's a lose-lose situation. He'll be planning a great escape from all this.
    You know that reference to Carrie and Allegra Stratton has been called out as misogyny by many and highlights the points that Casino Royal was making today

    A surprising addition to the Woke Police dons his uniform and metes out some righteousness.
    I'm not sure why you think I'm talking about Stratton, Don Quixote, but your willingness to leap in defend her honour was stirring.
    Funny how some of the most passionate advocates of wokery also feel free to direct pointlessly nasty insults against the families of their political opponents...
    You'll be struggling to find a "passionate advocacy" of woke from me.
    Unless you count what I wrote below, about how equal rights are not an infringement of free speech. Is that more woke than BigG's having a fit of vapours over NutNut?
    Not just me and it is misogynistic and your reference to the spawn was plain nasty

    Nothing to do with woke
    You thought I was talking about Stratton to start with. You are confused, Don, standing there in your rusty armour, tilting at nothing.
    Anyone who talks of a female and their child in the way you did is plain nasty

  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,410
    RobD said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Foxy said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Perhaps the media will start running pieces - can I be reinfected with coronavirus, should I self isolate?

    From the beginning self isolation has been required even if someone has had it before.
    How high is the incidence of reinfection? I had a positive antibodies result in July. Although I donated blood plasma in September, the antibody level was too low to be of use for trial purposes.
    Probably fairly rare. There are around 20 cases recorded in the literature, confirmed to be a second infection on serology. There must be many more without that level of evidence, but compared to the millions of worldwide cases it must be fairly rare.
    Farage suggests Boris gets tested tomorrow and goes back to work if it’s negative. Why doesn’t he do this rather than self isolate for however long it is?
    Is there even a mechanism for that in test and trace?
    For what? Having a test?
    Yeah, and skipping the rest of your isolation.
    No. I think because the test won't catch you if you are infected but not yet symptomatic.
    That's what I thought too. If there's no mechanism for it, he's not going to skip it. Can you imagine the headlines if they introduced a new scheme to avoid isolation just as the PM was about to need it?
    Boris is gonna have to lump it. Last thing he needs is another Cummings during the lockdown.
    If he doesn't like it maybe he could consider not meeting folk indoors without masks or social distancing and being photographed doing it?
    Just an idea.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    RobD said:

    isam said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Foxy said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Perhaps the media will start running pieces - can I be reinfected with coronavirus, should I self isolate?

    From the beginning self isolation has been required even if someone has had it before.
    How high is the incidence of reinfection? I had a positive antibodies result in July. Although I donated blood plasma in September, the antibody level was too low to be of use for trial purposes.
    Probably fairly rare. There are around 20 cases recorded in the literature, confirmed to be a second infection on serology. There must be many more without that level of evidence, but compared to the millions of worldwide cases it must be fairly rare.
    Farage suggests Boris gets tested tomorrow and goes back to work if it’s negative. Why doesn’t he do this rather than self isolate for however long it is?
    Is there even a mechanism for that in test and trace?
    For what? Having a test?
    Yeah, and skipping the rest of your isolation.
    No. I think because the test won't catch you if you are infected but not yet symptomatic.
    Loads of people have tested positive with no symptoms haven’t they?
    The difficulty is you may be infected but still get a negative on the test if it is too early on.
    Really? Blimey when my mate got it, we all went and got tested pretty much straight away - got a negative and assumed that was that.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,717
    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Foxy said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Perhaps the media will start running pieces - can I be reinfected with coronavirus, should I self isolate?

    From the beginning self isolation has been required even if someone has had it before.
    How high is the incidence of reinfection? I had a positive antibodies result in July. Although I donated blood plasma in September, the antibody level was too low to be of use for trial purposes.
    Probably fairly rare. There are around 20 cases recorded in the literature, confirmed to be a second infection on serology. There must be many more without that level of evidence, but compared to the millions of worldwide cases it must be fairly rare.
    Farage suggests Boris gets tested tomorrow and goes back to work if it’s negative. Why doesn’t he do this rather than self isolate for however long it is?
    Swabs give false negatives around 30% of the time, which is why a negative swab doesn't end a quarantine.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    RobD said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Foxy said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Perhaps the media will start running pieces - can I be reinfected with coronavirus, should I self isolate?

    From the beginning self isolation has been required even if someone has had it before.
    How high is the incidence of reinfection? I had a positive antibodies result in July. Although I donated blood plasma in September, the antibody level was too low to be of use for trial purposes.
    Probably fairly rare. There are around 20 cases recorded in the literature, confirmed to be a second infection on serology. There must be many more without that level of evidence, but compared to the millions of worldwide cases it must be fairly rare.
    Farage suggests Boris gets tested tomorrow and goes back to work if it’s negative. Why doesn’t he do this rather than self isolate for however long it is?
    Is there even a mechanism for that in test and trace?
    For what? Having a test?
    Yeah, and skipping the rest of your isolation.
    No. I think because the test won't catch you if you are infected but not yet symptomatic.
    That's what I thought too. If there's no mechanism for it, he's not going to skip it. Can you imagine the headlines if they introduced a new scheme to avoid isolation just as the PM was about to need it?
    Remember the outrage when it was revealed Prince Charles, Boris and a few other VVIPs got tests straight away in the spring. Totally outrageous that the PM should jump the queue ahead of the plebs was the media response.
    What queue?! The test centres are empty!
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    isam said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Foxy said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Perhaps the media will start running pieces - can I be reinfected with coronavirus, should I self isolate?

    From the beginning self isolation has been required even if someone has had it before.
    How high is the incidence of reinfection? I had a positive antibodies result in July. Although I donated blood plasma in September, the antibody level was too low to be of use for trial purposes.
    Probably fairly rare. There are around 20 cases recorded in the literature, confirmed to be a second infection on serology. There must be many more without that level of evidence, but compared to the millions of worldwide cases it must be fairly rare.
    Farage suggests Boris gets tested tomorrow and goes back to work if it’s negative. Why doesn’t he do this rather than self isolate for however long it is?
    Is there even a mechanism for that in test and trace?
    For what? Having a test?
    Yeah, and skipping the rest of your isolation.
    No. I think because the test won't catch you if you are infected but not yet symptomatic.
    Loads of people have tested positive with no symptoms haven’t they?
    I don't know, but probably. I should have said, the test may miss you rather than won't catch you.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935
    isam said:

    RobD said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Foxy said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Perhaps the media will start running pieces - can I be reinfected with coronavirus, should I self isolate?

    From the beginning self isolation has been required even if someone has had it before.
    How high is the incidence of reinfection? I had a positive antibodies result in July. Although I donated blood plasma in September, the antibody level was too low to be of use for trial purposes.
    Probably fairly rare. There are around 20 cases recorded in the literature, confirmed to be a second infection on serology. There must be many more without that level of evidence, but compared to the millions of worldwide cases it must be fairly rare.
    Farage suggests Boris gets tested tomorrow and goes back to work if it’s negative. Why doesn’t he do this rather than self isolate for however long it is?
    Is there even a mechanism for that in test and trace?
    For what? Having a test?
    Yeah, and skipping the rest of your isolation.
    No. I think because the test won't catch you if you are infected but not yet symptomatic.
    That's what I thought too. If there's no mechanism for it, he's not going to skip it. Can you imagine the headlines if they introduced a new scheme to avoid isolation just as the PM was about to need it?
    Remember the outrage when it was revealed Prince Charles, Boris and a few other VVIPs got tests straight away in the spring. Totally outrageous that the PM should jump the queue ahead of the plebs was the media response.
    What queue?! The test centres are empty!
    They certainly weren't back then.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited November 2020
    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Foxy said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Perhaps the media will start running pieces - can I be reinfected with coronavirus, should I self isolate?

    From the beginning self isolation has been required even if someone has had it before.
    How high is the incidence of reinfection? I had a positive antibodies result in July. Although I donated blood plasma in September, the antibody level was too low to be of use for trial purposes.
    Probably fairly rare. There are around 20 cases recorded in the literature, confirmed to be a second infection on serology. There must be many more without that level of evidence, but compared to the millions of worldwide cases it must be fairly rare.
    Farage suggests Boris gets tested tomorrow and goes back to work if it’s negative. Why doesn’t he do this rather than self isolate for however long it is?
    Swabs give false negatives around 30% of the time, which is why a negative swab doesn't end a quarantine.
    This was what the NHS sent me



    Oh blimey the last bit means I should have self isolated I suppose?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935
    edited November 2020
    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Foxy said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Perhaps the media will start running pieces - can I be reinfected with coronavirus, should I self isolate?

    From the beginning self isolation has been required even if someone has had it before.
    How high is the incidence of reinfection? I had a positive antibodies result in July. Although I donated blood plasma in September, the antibody level was too low to be of use for trial purposes.
    Probably fairly rare. There are around 20 cases recorded in the literature, confirmed to be a second infection on serology. There must be many more without that level of evidence, but compared to the millions of worldwide cases it must be fairly rare.
    Farage suggests Boris gets tested tomorrow and goes back to work if it’s negative. Why doesn’t he do this rather than self isolate for however long it is?
    Swabs give false negatives around 30% of the time, which is why a negative swab doesn't end a quarantine.
    This was what the NHS sent me


    The last point seems relevant here. As for the claim that you didn't have it, that's not true given the test isn't 100% accurate.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Will he do pmq remotely, or field a sub, or cancel?
  • Roy_G_Biv said:

    Roy_G_Biv said:

    Roy_G_Biv said:

    Roy_G_Biv said:

    Jonathan said:

    Charles said:

    Eh? Why would Bozza have to self isolate? He’s already had covid (and recovered).

    Because it will be too difficult to explain to the media
    Even people who have had it can catch it again and can pass it on to others too

    What needs explaining to the media?
    Boris has hard week. He just fancies a little isolation. I can’t say I blame him.
    But now he's going to be stuck at home with NutNut & The Spawn. It's a lose-lose situation. He'll be planning a great escape from all this.
    You know that reference to Carrie and Allegra Stratton has been called out as misogyny by many and highlights the points that Casino Royal was making today

    A surprising addition to the Woke Police dons his uniform and metes out some righteousness.
    I'm not sure why you think I'm talking about Stratton, Don Quixote, but your willingness to leap in defend her honour was stirring.
    Funny how some of the most passionate advocates of wokery also feel free to direct pointlessly nasty insults against the families of their political opponents...
    You'll be struggling to find a "passionate advocacy" of woke from me.
    Unless you count what I wrote below, about how equal rights are not an infringement of free speech. Is that more woke than BigG's having a fit of vapours over NutNut?
    Not just me and it is misogynistic and your reference to the spawn was plain nasty

    Nothing to do with woke
    You thought I was talking about Stratton to start with. You are confused, Don, standing there in your rusty armour, tilting at nothing.
    Anyone who talks of a female and their child in the way you did is plain nasty

    Shagger's not very good with children, is he? I mean, he doesn't tend to stick around.
    But at least they've got you, with your creepy fawning about how "pleased you were the ladies got rid of Cummings". And then your burlesque foray into policing other people's language. It's rousing stuff. Directly from thigh-rubbing weirdness to distilled moral outrage in less time than it takes to don a cape.
    You are the hero we all deserve.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Foxy said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Perhaps the media will start running pieces - can I be reinfected with coronavirus, should I self isolate?

    From the beginning self isolation has been required even if someone has had it before.
    How high is the incidence of reinfection? I had a positive antibodies result in July. Although I donated blood plasma in September, the antibody level was too low to be of use for trial purposes.
    Probably fairly rare. There are around 20 cases recorded in the literature, confirmed to be a second infection on serology. There must be many more without that level of evidence, but compared to the millions of worldwide cases it must be fairly rare.
    Farage suggests Boris gets tested tomorrow and goes back to work if it’s negative. Why doesn’t he do this rather than self isolate for however long it is?
    Swabs give false negatives around 30% of the time, which is why a negative swab doesn't end a quarantine.
    This was what the NHS sent me



    Oh blimey the last bit means I should have self isolated I suppose?
    Different rules if you get tested because you had symptoms vs if you get fingered by Test n Trace.

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/nhs-test-and-trace-how-it-works
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,103
    edited November 2020
    Somebody is briefing....

    Carrie will go crackers': Boris Johnson 'said his partner would be angry if ex-BBC journalist wasn't given job' as Downing Street civil war over ousting of Dominic Cummings explodes again, writes SIMON WALTERS

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8951629/Boris-Johnson-said-partner-angry-ex-BBC-journalist-wasnt-given-job.html
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    ...
    IshmaelZ said:

    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Foxy said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Perhaps the media will start running pieces - can I be reinfected with coronavirus, should I self isolate?

    From the beginning self isolation has been required even if someone has had it before.
    How high is the incidence of reinfection? I had a positive antibodies result in July. Although I donated blood plasma in September, the antibody level was too low to be of use for trial purposes.
    Probably fairly rare. There are around 20 cases recorded in the literature, confirmed to be a second infection on serology. There must be many more without that level of evidence, but compared to the millions of worldwide cases it must be fairly rare.
    Farage suggests Boris gets tested tomorrow and goes back to work if it’s negative. Why doesn’t he do this rather than self isolate for however long it is?
    Swabs give false negatives around 30% of the time, which is why a negative swab doesn't end a quarantine.
    This was what the NHS sent me



    Oh blimey the last bit means I should have self isolated I suppose?
    Different rules if you get tested because you had symptoms vs if you get fingered by Test n Trace.

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/nhs-test-and-trace-how-it-works
    Yeah I didn’t really read it. I didn’t get collared by test and trace, because we didn’t sign up for it or anything but someone’s I had been in the pub with on the Sunday got a positive test. I just did a test the following Friday and got a neg. That was 16 days ago now so no harm done
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Somebody is briefing....

    Carrie will go crackers': Boris Johnson 'said his partner would be angry if ex-BBC journalist wasn't given job' as Downing Street civil war over ousting of Dominic Cummings explodes again, writes SIMON WALTERS

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8951629/Boris-Johnson-said-partner-angry-ex-BBC-journalist-wasnt-given-job.html

    Dog stuff is bloody funny.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,222
    Not encouraging.

    Biden Asked Republicans to Give Him a Chance. They’re Not Interested.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/14/us/politics/biden-trump-republicans.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage
    MASON, Texas — The change at the Sunday prayer service was so subtle it went unnoticed by several congregants. Tucked in between calls for divine health and wisdom, the Rev. Fred Krebs of St. Paul Lutheran Church, who rarely brings up politics, fleetingly mentioned this month’s presidential election.

    “We pray for a peaceful transition,” he told his congregation of 50 people. The carefully chosen words underscored the political reality in Mason, a rural, conservative town of roughly 2,000 people, after Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s victory over President Trump. Not everyone thought the election was over, and not everyone said they would respect the results.

    “My Democratic friends think Biden is going to heal everything and unify everyone,” said Jeanie Smith, who attends the more conservative Spring Street Gospel Church in Mason, which is about 100 miles west of Austin. “They are deceived.”

    “Now you want healing,” she added. “Now you want to come together. You have not earned it.”...

    ... On Monday in Dallas, hundreds of Mr. Trump’s supporters gathered outside the city’s election office in a “Stop the Steal” protest promoted by the state Republican Party. The message from speakers and attendees went further than expressing fears of election fraud, amounting to a wholesale rejection of a Biden presidency and of the Republican elected officials who acknowledged it. One speaker said of the Republican lawmakers who had called Mr. Biden the president-elect, “Remember who they are when you go to the polls next.”

    “This is contempt of half of the country by the other half of the country,” said Paul Feeser, 61, who attended the protest in Dallas. “So if the conclusion was for Biden, I would look at it as illegitimate, and I and many others expect to be part of the so-called resistance — as Trump resisted.”...

    ...
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,594
    The popular vote percentages havent changed much in the last couple of days. Its still Biden 50.8%, Trump 47.2%.

    https://edition.cnn.com/election/2020/results/president
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,594

    Her first attempt to get elected as an MP was when she stood in Ealing Central and Acton in 2017. She managed to turn a 274 Labour majority into a 13,800 Labour majority.
    I think Rupa Huq would probably like to take some credit for the result as well.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,717
    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Foxy said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Perhaps the media will start running pieces - can I be reinfected with coronavirus, should I self isolate?

    From the beginning self isolation has been required even if someone has had it before.
    How high is the incidence of reinfection? I had a positive antibodies result in July. Although I donated blood plasma in September, the antibody level was too low to be of use for trial purposes.
    Probably fairly rare. There are around 20 cases recorded in the literature, confirmed to be a second infection on serology. There must be many more without that level of evidence, but compared to the millions of worldwide cases it must be fairly rare.
    Farage suggests Boris gets tested tomorrow and goes back to work if it’s negative. Why doesn’t he do this rather than self isolate for however long it is?
    Swabs give false negatives around 30% of the time, which is why a negative swab doesn't end a quarantine.
    This was what the NHS sent me



    Oh blimey the last bit means I should have self isolated I suppose?
    Yes, if the contact came via T and T.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,533
    That's a very good article - thanks Casino for writing it and for listening to earlier discussions about nationalism and internationalism. The point about people liking democracy because it's delivered the goods is particularly strong. There is plentiful evidence that most Chinese are OK with autocracy because they feel that it too has delivered the goods. Both statements are true, but democracy is important for reasons unrelated to prosperity.

    A difficulty is that it's collectively important, but irrelevant to most people individually most of the time. Few normal people demand the right to dissent all the time, so the freedom to do so seems a bit abstract. Most of us approve of elections, but any individual vote almost never makes a difference. You can spend your entire life never voting and never expressing an opinion that the Government of the day would dislike, and still have a pleasant existence. And yet - the ability to dissent and to organise dissent together is crucial on the occasions that we really want it. So we need to protect it even when we don't need it immediately, and even when it's used for ideas that we disagree with. It's still worth it in the end.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    dixiedean said:

    RobD said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Foxy said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Perhaps the media will start running pieces - can I be reinfected with coronavirus, should I self isolate?

    From the beginning self isolation has been required even if someone has had it before.
    How high is the incidence of reinfection? I had a positive antibodies result in July. Although I donated blood plasma in September, the antibody level was too low to be of use for trial purposes.
    Probably fairly rare. There are around 20 cases recorded in the literature, confirmed to be a second infection on serology. There must be many more without that level of evidence, but compared to the millions of worldwide cases it must be fairly rare.
    Farage suggests Boris gets tested tomorrow and goes back to work if it’s negative. Why doesn’t he do this rather than self isolate for however long it is?
    Is there even a mechanism for that in test and trace?
    For what? Having a test?
    Yeah, and skipping the rest of your isolation.
    No. I think because the test won't catch you if you are infected but not yet symptomatic.
    That's what I thought too. If there's no mechanism for it, he's not going to skip it. Can you imagine the headlines if they introduced a new scheme to avoid isolation just as the PM was about to need it?
    Boris is gonna have to lump it. Last thing he needs is another Cummings during the lockdown.
    If he doesn't like it maybe he could consider not meeting folk indoors without masks or social distancing and being photographed doing it?
    Just an idea.
    As others have said, why doesn’t he just get tested? The fortnight rule is bonkers.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Foxy said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Perhaps the media will start running pieces - can I be reinfected with coronavirus, should I self isolate?

    From the beginning self isolation has been required even if someone has had it before.
    How high is the incidence of reinfection? I had a positive antibodies result in July. Although I donated blood plasma in September, the antibody level was too low to be of use for trial purposes.
    Probably fairly rare. There are around 20 cases recorded in the literature, confirmed to be a second infection on serology. There must be many more without that level of evidence, but compared to the millions of worldwide cases it must be fairly rare.
    Farage suggests Boris gets tested tomorrow and goes back to work if it’s negative. Why doesn’t he do this rather than self isolate for however long it is?
    Swabs give false negatives around 30% of the time, which is why a negative swab doesn't end a quarantine.
    This was what the NHS sent me



    Oh blimey the last bit means I should have self isolated I suppose?
    Yes, if the contact came via T and T.
    Well strictly speaking it didn’t. I never signed up for it. But someone I was with tested positive
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    dixiedean said:

    RobD said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Foxy said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Perhaps the media will start running pieces - can I be reinfected with coronavirus, should I self isolate?

    From the beginning self isolation has been required even if someone has had it before.
    How high is the incidence of reinfection? I had a positive antibodies result in July. Although I donated blood plasma in September, the antibody level was too low to be of use for trial purposes.
    Probably fairly rare. There are around 20 cases recorded in the literature, confirmed to be a second infection on serology. There must be many more without that level of evidence, but compared to the millions of worldwide cases it must be fairly rare.
    Farage suggests Boris gets tested tomorrow and goes back to work if it’s negative. Why doesn’t he do this rather than self isolate for however long it is?
    Is there even a mechanism for that in test and trace?
    For what? Having a test?
    Yeah, and skipping the rest of your isolation.
    No. I think because the test won't catch you if you are infected but not yet symptomatic.
    That's what I thought too. If there's no mechanism for it, he's not going to skip it. Can you imagine the headlines if they introduced a new scheme to avoid isolation just as the PM was about to need it?
    Boris is gonna have to lump it. Last thing he needs is another Cummings during the lockdown.
    If he doesn't like it maybe he could consider not meeting folk indoors without masks or social distancing and being photographed doing it?
    Just an idea.
    As others have said, why doesn’t he just get tested? The fortnight rule is bonkers.
    Footballers are tested every other day sans symptoms, it is ridiculous if the PM doesn’t have one.

    I’d bet odds on he has mind you
  • It's already happening here. Did you notice protests of over two people were banned last week? That free speech is being closed down? That the police are increasingly acting ultra vires? That highly significant laws are passed with a bare minimum of scrutiny if any scrutiny at all? That a bill has been passed by the HOC to allow state agencies to commit any crime 'in the national interest'?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,103
    edited November 2020
    Meanwhile, Labour is calling for a national plan to roll out the vaccine. Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer said the vaccination programme will probably be the largest logistical operation since World War Two - and called for a plan setting out who will be eligible for a jab and when.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-54953677

    Erhhh.....what do you think the Vaccine Task Force remit is?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935

    Meanwhile, Labour is calling for a national plan to roll out the vaccine. Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer said the vaccination programme will probably be the largest logistical operation since World War Two - and called for a plan setting out who will be eligible for a jab and when.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-54953677

    Erhhh.....what do you think the Vaccine Task Force whole remit is?

    Living up to the Captain Hindsight moniker?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,103
    edited November 2020
    RobD said:

    Meanwhile, Labour is calling for a national plan to roll out the vaccine. Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer said the vaccination programme will probably be the largest logistical operation since World War Two - and called for a plan setting out who will be eligible for a jab and when.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-54953677

    Erhhh.....what do you think the Vaccine Task Force whole remit is?

    Living up to the Captain Hindsight moniker?
    No plan....JCVI...September....

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/priority-groups-for-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccination-advice-from-the-jcvi-25-september-2020/jcvi-updated-interim-advice-on-priority-groups-for-covid-19-vaccination

    No, definite no plan...

    The UK Government has ordered 65m syringes from one manufacturer as part of preparations for a potential Covid-19 vaccine, due for delivery by mid-September.

    https://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/clinical-areas/immunology-and-vaccines/government-orders-65m-syringes-ahead-of-potential-covid-19-vaccine/
  • Covid vaccine: Major new trial starts in UK

    A major trial of a vaccine to protect against Covid-19 has launched in the UK - the third such trial in the country.

    The jab - designed by the Belgian company Janssen - uses a genetically modified common cold virus to train the immune system.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54951650
  • Captain Hindsight says we really should have a new thread....
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    edited November 2020
    IshmaelZ said:

    Somebody is briefing....

    Carrie will go crackers': Boris Johnson 'said his partner would be angry if ex-BBC journalist wasn't given job' as Downing Street civil war over ousting of Dominic Cummings explodes again, writes SIMON WALTERS

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8951629/Boris-Johnson-said-partner-angry-ex-BBC-journalist-wasnt-given-job.html

    Dog stuff is bloody funny.
    A No 10 figure claimed Miss Symonds 'bombards [Mr Johnson] with texts and everyone in Downing Street knows about their rows.

    'I used to get angry with him for letting her get away with it, but now I just feel sorry. He looks very unhappy. It is as though she has taken him hostage. It cannot go on because it is terrible for our country.'
  • isam said:

    dixiedean said:

    RobD said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Foxy said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Perhaps the media will start running pieces - can I be reinfected with coronavirus, should I self isolate?

    From the beginning self isolation has been required even if someone has had it before.
    How high is the incidence of reinfection? I had a positive antibodies result in July. Although I donated blood plasma in September, the antibody level was too low to be of use for trial purposes.
    Probably fairly rare. There are around 20 cases recorded in the literature, confirmed to be a second infection on serology. There must be many more without that level of evidence, but compared to the millions of worldwide cases it must be fairly rare.
    Farage suggests Boris gets tested tomorrow and goes back to work if it’s negative. Why doesn’t he do this rather than self isolate for however long it is?
    Is there even a mechanism for that in test and trace?
    For what? Having a test?
    Yeah, and skipping the rest of your isolation.
    No. I think because the test won't catch you if you are infected but not yet symptomatic.
    That's what I thought too. If there's no mechanism for it, he's not going to skip it. Can you imagine the headlines if they introduced a new scheme to avoid isolation just as the PM was about to need it?
    Boris is gonna have to lump it. Last thing he needs is another Cummings during the lockdown.
    If he doesn't like it maybe he could consider not meeting folk indoors without masks or social distancing and being photographed doing it?
    Just an idea.
    As others have said, why doesn’t he just get tested? The fortnight rule is bonkers.
    Footballers are tested every other day sans symptoms, it is ridiculous if the PM doesn’t have one.

    I’d bet odds on he has mind you
    Even if you test negative, you are required to isolate. The maximum period of the incubation period is reckoned to be 10-11 days
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